From: japin0@yahoo.com (Chanakya)
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Guys,
I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
listeners.
Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
to answer this question next time..

WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
\
thanks 
cha

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On 18 Apr 2004 00:50:11 -0700, japin0@yahoo.com (Chanakya) wrote:

>Guys,
>I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
>have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
>only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
>listeners.
>Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
>to answer this question next time..
>
>WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
>\
>thanks 
>cha

Cha, Reiki is all things to all people. <g>

Seriously, this is the kind of question that can provoke long
philosophical discussions or even heated disagreements. It's a much
deeper question than it seems on the surface. First, it assumes Reiki
has to do something, and if it doesn't, it's no good. Similar
questions might be, "What does the sun do?" or "What do birds do?" or
"What does Cha do?"  If the answer to each of those questions is
another (rhetorical) question: "If you can't guarantee a cure of
anything from them, what good are they?"

On some deep levels, (and in my opinion, of course) Reiki is about
*being*, not about *doing*. Although doing can be being, as well. Is
that confusing? It's not meant to be; it's just not an easy thing to
explain to people who are used to "thinking, thinking, thinking all
the time, have to have a reason and explanation and a pigeonhole for
everything or what good is it?" Some people will tell you that Reiki
is about healing, and that anything else is just speculation. And
perhaps on some levels, that might be a sufficient answer. It
certainly begins with self-healing. Other people will tell you that
the healing part is just a side effect, that Reiki is really a path to
enlightenment. But what is enlightenment, if not the ultimate healing?
I could go on, even as far as debating with myself (maybe I just like
to hear myself talk <g>), but it probably wouldn't be very helpful.
The main thing is to just do Reiki, be Reiki, and the rest will take
care of itself. 

None of which really helps you with your original question, now does
it? What you can tell people who want a quick answer is that Reiki is
a hands on, Japanese healing modality that is good for relaxation and
relieving stress. Relieving stress in and of itself is good for
boosting our immune system and just generally helping the body to
activate its own self-repair mode. Relieving stress is also good for
mental and emotional health. Apart from the hands on healing, it is
also a philosophical system, a way of living, which is embodied in the
Reiki Precepts.

Anyways, that's a pretty fair short answer (IMO). Hope that helps!

Love and Light,

Garry

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"Chanakya" <japin0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:14b0ef05.0404172350.2c8673bd@posting.google.com...
> Guys,
> I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> listeners.
> Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> to answer this question next time..
>
> WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> \
> thanks
> cha

Hey cha,
For those that put the precepts into practice, reiki is a way of life rather
than simply a way to alleviate health problems (although this is usually the
result). Reiki precepts practiced will set one on a path of enlightenment..
. . .teaching one about their true inherent nature. Self empowerment is the
focus.
Love is. . . .

######

From: Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net>
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Chanakya wrote:

> Guys,
> I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> listeners.
> Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> to answer this question next time..
> 
> WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> \
> thanks 
> cha
   a song said
*
  I give to you and you give to me true love  true love ..  *


Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

L'Umiltà è la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefocault)

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

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Cha, why don't you initiate yourself in Reiki, make your self treatments and
let Reiki answer your question?
Blessings,
J


"Chanakya" <japin0@yahoo.com> escreveu na mensagem
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> Guys,
> I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> listeners.
> Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> to answer this question next time..
>
> WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> \
> thanks
> cha

######

From: fascin8or@yahoo.com (James AETW)
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Subject: Re: What does Reiki do?
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japin0@yahoo.com (Chanakya) wrote in message news:<14b0ef05.0404172350.2c8673bd@posting.google.com>...

> ...WHAT DOES REIKI DO?



Reiki:
Calms the Mind
Empowers the Soul
Fills the Heart with Compassion
Warms the Hands
Heals the Body...



"shiken haramitsu dai ko myo"

James

All Energy-Therapies Web - Reiki Pages
www.aetw.org/reiki.html

######

From: Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net>
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James AETW wrote:

> japin0@yahoo.com (Chanakya) wrote in message news:<14b0ef05.0404172350.2c8673bd@posting.google.com>...
> 
> 
>>...WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Reiki:
> Calms the Mind
> Empowers the Soul
> Fills the Heart with Compassion
> Warms the Hands
> Heals the Body...

  but  cannot help to  win at the lottery with !


> "shiken haramitsu dai ko myo"
> 
> James
> 
> All Energy-Therapies Web - Reiki Pages
> www.aetw.org/reiki.html

-- 

Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

L'Umiltà è la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefocault)

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:39:32 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:

>  but  cannot help to  win at the lottery with !

are you certain?  ;-)

Garry

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Garry Williams wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:39:32 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> but  cannot help to  win at the lottery with !
> 
> 
> are you certain?  ;-)
  I did not try  yet , did you?
( U can tell me privately :-) will keep the secret)

Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

L'Umiltà è la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefocault)

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:08:55 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:

>  I did not try  yet , did you?
>( U can tell me privately :-) will keep the secret)

I'll let you know, but for now, I still gotta schlep giant stone
blocks to build the pyramid for the Pharoah. Ain't civilization
wonderful?

Garry

######

From: Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net>
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Hi Garry Sensei

Garry Williams wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:08:55 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I did not try  yet , did you?
>>( U can tell me privately :-) will keep the secret)
> 
> 
> I'll let you know, but for now, I still gotta schlep giant stone
> blocks to build the pyramid for the Pharoah. Ain't civilization
> wonderful?

  yes is called Democracy :-) ( to share the burden)  and Freedom  to 
have a job for living

Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

L'Umiltà è la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefocault)

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:34:50 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:

>  yes is called Democracy :-) ( to share the burden)  and Freedom  to 
>have a job for living

Do you think the Bushmen of Kalahari would have me? I think I'd rather
go tribal. At least in a tribe they share the fruits as well as the
burdens, plus there's way more leisure time. In so-called
civilization, the fruits go to those at the top of the hierarchy,
while the masses slave away all day.

Garry

######

From: Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net>
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Garry Williams wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:34:50 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> yes is called Democracy :-) ( to share the burden)  and Freedom  to 
>>have a job for living

> Do you think the Bushmen of Kalahari would have me? I think I'd rather
> go tribal. At least in a tribe they share the fruits as well as the
> burdens, plus there's way more leisure time. In so-called
> civilization, the fruits go to those at the top of the hierarchy,
> while the masses slave away all day.

  this is the tax  declaration hangover  I guess :-)
  I would not mind go tribal. what bugs me are possible dental problems 
( I have none) and appendix  that pobaly  will pass over attached  to me 
...


Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

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      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

From: "Steel Dragon" <machintruc@adios.spam>
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Hi Garry,

I'm still lurking around...

> Do you think the Bushmen of Kalahari would have me?
> I think I'd rather go tribal. At least in a tribe they share
> the fruits as well as the burdens, plus there's way more
> leisure time. (....)

I really agree... other things look more civilized to me in a tribal
society, for instance the children are not left up to their biological
parents alone (and vice versa), etc.

It's been a long time since I thought about the pros and cons of this
"alternative" (for us) social organization.

Still, wanting to join "another" tribe means immerging yourself into a
presumably foreign culture (not to mention the language). Another option
could then be to get inspiration from other ancient cultures, in order to
(re-)create a tribal life in line with each and any of us, along the same
principles, but necessarily a direct transfer & application. For instance,
if you had to rely on African antilopes or tropical fruits for breakfast, or
on kangaroo meat, etc., you might find it a bit difficult while living in
the U.S., even if you're a good hunter (hunting being forbidden in zoos, if
I remember well).

A wise (to me) suggestion could then be:
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; seek what they
sought."
Matsuo Basho (1644-1694)

If you like the idea, may I kindly suggest you to have a look at a Web site
brought up by the person who uses the above as his favorite e-mail
signature, I named Joseph Bearwalker Wilson:

http://www.toteg.com
I'm a member of it, actually - don't worry, it's free, apart from 2 dollars
(which I did not even pay yet) in order to become a member and receive a
membership card. And they aren't at all prejudiced against Reiki ;-)))

I must add that it's more directed to re-creating the spiritual principles
(incl. shamanism) underlying the ancient cultures than the social
structures... Anyway, I found this site quite stimulating, and really worth
reading.


Henri

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:26:38 +0200, Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote:

>  this is the tax  declaration hangover  I guess :-)

Good guess.

>  I would not mind go tribal. what bugs me are possible dental problems 
>( I have none) and appendix  that pobaly  will pass over attached  to me 

I have more to say on that; see my reply to Henri.

Garry

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From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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Henri, I just finished reading a book called "Beyond Civilization".
Actually, I finished re-reading it, not having finished it the first
time I picked it up back in '99. But worth it to have picked it up and
finished it this time. Anyways, to make a long story short, all a
tribe really is is a group of people who throw in together in order to
make a living. Which means you could have a tribe right in the middle
of Paris or London or NYC if you like. A circus can be thought of as a
tribe. No one is more important than anyone else, and, although there
is a boss, with a specific job to do, he is not more important than
anyone else. So they all put into it, and they all take out of it.
Some small businesses start off like a tribe, but inevitably they end
up turning into the same old hierarchical pyramid building slave
system where those at the top live off the backs of those at the
bottom, even though those at the bottom nowadays are paid salaries and
given health insurance. Wish I could find some people that I could
throw in with here in the city to form a tribe so we could all walk
away from the pyramid project and just earn a decent living and have
more leisure time!
 
Garry

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:16:49 +0200, "Steel Dragon"
<machintruc@adios.spam> wrote:

>Hi Garry,
>
>I'm still lurking around...
>
>> Do you think the Bushmen of Kalahari would have me?
>> I think I'd rather go tribal. At least in a tribe they share
>> the fruits as well as the burdens, plus there's way more
>> leisure time. (....)
>
>I really agree... other things look more civilized to me in a tribal
>society, for instance the children are not left up to their biological
>parents alone (and vice versa), etc.
>
>It's been a long time since I thought about the pros and cons of this
>"alternative" (for us) social organization.
>
>Still, wanting to join "another" tribe means immerging yourself into a
>presumably foreign culture (not to mention the language). Another option
>could then be to get inspiration from other ancient cultures, in order to
>(re-)create a tribal life in line with each and any of us, along the same
>principles, but necessarily a direct transfer & application. For instance,
>if you had to rely on African antilopes or tropical fruits for breakfast, or
>on kangaroo meat, etc., you might find it a bit difficult while living in
>the U.S., even if you're a good hunter (hunting being forbidden in zoos, if
>I remember well).
>
>A wise (to me) suggestion could then be:
>"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; seek what they
>sought."
>Matsuo Basho (1644-1694)
>
>If you like the idea, may I kindly suggest you to have a look at a Web site
>brought up by the person who uses the above as his favorite e-mail
>signature, I named Joseph Bearwalker Wilson:
>
>http://www.toteg.com
>I'm a member of it, actually - don't worry, it's free, apart from 2 dollars
>(which I did not even pay yet) in order to become a member and receive a
>membership card. And they aren't at all prejudiced against Reiki ;-)))
>
>I must add that it's more directed to re-creating the spiritual principles
>(incl. shamanism) underlying the ancient cultures than the social
>structures... Anyway, I found this site quite stimulating, and really worth
>reading.
>
>
>Henri
>
>

######

From: Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net>
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Garry Williams wrote:

> Henri, I just finished reading a book called "Beyond Civilization".
> Actually, SNIP
> throw in with here in the city to form a tribe so we could all walk
> away from the pyramid project and just earn a decent living and have
> more leisure time!
  I already knew thatt  you see  at scholl in clubs  in everyplace where 
people  gathere and share a common intent a  hierarchy sets in..
  the  herd syndrome I call it  *la meute * as wolves


  I wish I could live somewhere and  be really free  I mean live in 
autarchy   get my products from earth with my work  and  living 
according the natural  cycles like  like Amerindians  bush men and 
others  people did.. but the best should be  to live just *Alone* !!!
  as , as you say the grouping will built up the pyramid


Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

L'Umiltà è la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefocault)

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

From: "Steel Dragon" <machintruc@adios.spam>
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Hi Theo,

> (...)
> I wish I could live somewhere and  be really free  I mean
> live in autarchy get my products from earth with my work
>and living according the natural  cycles like like Amerindians
> bush men and others people did.. but the best should be
> to live just *Alone* !!!

Well, being on one's own does not necessarily imply refusing sociability ;-)

Anyway, I'm glad to see these "back to common-sense living" ideas becoming
increasingly popular.


Henri

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From: Theo <byjoke@ch.inter.net>
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Steel Dragon wrote:

> Hi Theo,
> 
> 
>>(...)
>>I wish I could live somewhere and  be really free  I mean
>>live in autarchy get my products from earth with my work
>>and living according the natural  cycles like like Amerindians
>>bush men and others people did.. but the best should be
>>to live just *Alone* !!!

> Well, being on one's own does not necessarily imply refusing sociability ;-)

  that's the problem
  I do not like socialize
  even if I have no problem to

  believe it or not I am shy :-)


> Anyway, I'm glad to see these "back to common-sense living" ideas becoming
> increasingly popular.
  you know I sow lately an old film
  Fréres de sang
  Blood broterhood
  the stroy was  betwenne an Indian in his reservation and his best 
friend a white
   tehy lived in Idaho I guess because tehere were problems with fatory 
cips patos processing and so on
  anyway

  the  Indian
  said  that he *wanted to live on his land respecting it and following 
the laws of nature*
  and that the white  were wrong spoiled the land polluted it  and lived 
    in the cities   using drugs alcool vice and violence
  well
  the truth of it  really surprised me..
  we live like that
we are like locusts
  even if I do not use all that stuff I contribute in part to its 
existence and expansion


> Henri
  qui vous veut du bien

Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

L'Umiltà è la Peggiore delle Presunzioni (la Rochefocault)

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
limits."
-Albert Einstein

######

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Hi Garry,

> Henri, I just finished reading a book called "Beyond
> Civilization".
> Actually, I finished re-reading it, not having finished it
> the first time I picked it up back in '99. But worth it to
> have picked it up and finished it this time. Anyways, to
> make a long story short, all a tribe really is is a group
> of people who throw in together in order to make a
> living. Which means you could have a tribe right in the
> middle of Paris or London or NYC if you like. A circus
> can be thought of as a tribe. No one is more important
> than anyone else, and, although there is a boss, with
> a specific job to do, he is not more important than
> anyone else.

True. In some tribe, where the leader is elected and changes after a period
of time, his/her main task is to ensure nobody tries to impose his/her views
on the others...


> So they all put into it, and they all take out of it.
> Some small businesses start off like a tribe, but inevitably
> they end up turning into the same old hierarchical pyramid
> building slave system where those at the top live off the
> backs of those at the bottom, even though those at the
> bottom nowadays are paid salaries and given health
> insurance. Wish I could find some people that I could throw
> in with here in the city to form a tribe so we could all walk
> away from the pyramid project and just earn a decent
> living and have more leisure time!

Definitely, count me in, man !    :-)))


Henri

######

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Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that individual.
Nothing more and nothings less.
What is needed may or may not be agreed with by either the practitioner or
the receiver, may or may not be realized by either and may or may not be
noticeable by either.

It is consistently inconsistent.



-- 
ShadowWolf
http://www.mysticreiki.com
http://www.reiki.net
"Chanakya" <japin0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Guys,
> I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> listeners.
> Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> to answer this question next time..
>
> WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> \
> thanks
> cha
>

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"ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
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> Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
individual.

 given that the recipient is worthy.

> Nothing more and nothings less.

> What is needed may or may not be agreed with by either the practitioner or
> the receiver, may or may not be realized by either and may or may not be
> noticeable by either.
>
> It is consistently inconsistent.
>

what is realized is no more inconsistant than whom is realizing it:)
    Love is. . .

>
> --
> ShadowWolf
> http://www.mysticreiki.com
> http://www.reiki.net
> "Chanakya" <japin0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:14b0ef05.0404172350.2c8673bd@posting.google.com...
> > Guys,
> > I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> > have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> > only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> > listeners.
> > Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> > to answer this question next time..
> >
> > WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> > \
> > thanks
> > cha
> >
>
>

######

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"arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
> news:Im7hc.59557$I83.1162243@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
> individual.
>
>  given that the recipient is worthy.

You must be practicing "Evaluation reiki"?
Who or what would evaluate a recipients worthiness, and
on what basis?
Worthiness of the recipient has nothing to do with reiki.
In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.
And note that I do not say "deserves it".

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

######

From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:58:24 GMT, "arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
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>> Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
>individual.
>
> given that the recipient is worthy.

All recipients are worthy of Reiki, and each one receives exactly what
is most needed by that individual, regardless of anyone's, including
the recipient's, expectations. 

Love and Light,

Garry

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From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:20:44 +0200, "pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:

>You must be practicing "Evaluation reiki"?

Peter, Kevin doesn't practice Reiki, but he finds some of our
practices analogous to his own. Since there doesn't seem to be a
ready-made newsgroup that perfectly pigeonholes his philosophy, he
opts to throw in with us.  

The rest of your post stands very well on its own. Just wanted to make
sure we all understand where Kevin is coming from--he's not a Radical
Reiki master, he's someone with philosophies that many of us are
familiar with and use, and who contributes an interesting "outsider's"
perspective to what we claim to practice. Although Kevin is not a
Reiki practitioner himself, his father was, so Kevin isn't some rube
walking in off the street and offering blind opinions about something
he knows nothing about. I find it a breath of fresh air to consider
our practices from his perspective. Doesn't hurt to be shook up every
now and then and see what settles out and what remains standing. :-)

namaste,

Garry

>Who or what would evaluate a recipients worthiness, and
>on what basis?
>Worthiness of the recipient has nothing to do with reiki.
>In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.
>And note that I do not say "deserves it".
>
>--
>Namu Amida Butsu
>Peter Reber
>"Life knows its needs"
>
>
>

######

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"arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
> news:Im7hc.59557$I83.1162243@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
> individual.
>
>  given that the recipient is worthy.
>

ShadowWolf replies:

If as Gary pointed out you are not a Reiki practitioner of any type than I
fail to see how you can make such a statement.

One of the beautiful aspects of Reiki is that neither the receiver or
practitioner needs to have any specific belief or knowledge in order for the
energy to be beneficial.


> > Nothing more and nothings less.
>
> > What is needed may or may not be agreed with by either the practitioner
or
> > the receiver, may or may not be realized by either and may or may not be
> > noticeable by either.
> >
> > It is consistently inconsistent.
> >
>
> what is realized is no more inconsistant than whom is realizing it:)
>     Love is. . .
>
Since you seem incapable to understand the above statement I will explain it
to you.
consistently inconsistent.
The results of any and all sessions are so varied that all results are
consistently inconsistent.

Love is but one aspect of the whole


 ShadowWolf
 http://www.mysticreiki.com
 http://www.reiki.net
> > "Chanakya" <japin0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:14b0ef05.0404172350.2c8673bd@posting.google.com...
> > > Guys,
> > > I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> > > have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> > > only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> > > listeners.
> > > Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> > > to answer this question next time..
> > >
> > > WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> > > \
> > > thanks
> > > cha
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

######

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"pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> "arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38e544d6be246039770fb1737d1fac39@news.teranews.com...
> >
> > "ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
> > news:Im7hc.59557$I83.1162243@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > > Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
> > individual.
> >
> >  given that the recipient is worthy.
>
> You must be practicing "Evaluation reiki"?

No peter. Garry is correct. i do not practice *your form of reiki*. . . and
every recipient practices "Evaluation reiki" as well as every practicioner.

> Who or what would evaluate a recipients worthiness, and
> on what basis?

 Each recipient evaluates his or her own worthiness. The basis is simple. .
. if one feels worthy or not of anything life offers.

> Worthiness of the recipient has nothing to do with reiki.

It has everything to do with why reiki seems so inconsistant.

> In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.

i thought you said " Worthiness of the recipient has nothing to do with
reiki.". Peter, this statement sounds a bit like "Evaluation reiki" to me. .
. . . . tell me peter who evaluates this need and on what basis?


> And note that I do not say "deserves it".

Noted.
Love is.  . . .

> --
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
>
>
>

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pr wrote:


> In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.

this seems to be a common misconception. . . . .that some people are
"without" the energy, and the people that practice reiki are sole
distributors of  it. This energy dubbed "reiki" energy is analogous with
abundance.
You make receiving reiki sound like "spiritual welfare". In what i term
"reality", it is more a matter of realization than need.
Love is . . . .

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"ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38e544d6be246039770fb1737d1fac39@news.teranews.com...
> >
> > "ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
> > news:Im7hc.59557$I83.1162243@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > > Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
> > individual.
> >
> >  given that the recipient is worthy.
> >
>
> ShadowWolf replies:
>
> If as Gary pointed out you are not a Reiki practitioner of any type than I
> fail to see how you can make such a statement.


 Oh, so only reiki practitioners can have beliefs about reiki?. . .and only
the beliefs that reiki practitioners hold are enlightened?
If you are a Reiki practitioner of any type, then i fail to see how you
could have missed the point.
The point is that in the midst of an abundant universe what is most needed
and provided for is failed to be realized sometimes by both the practitioner
and the recipient. This failure is not the 'fault' of reiki . . . .and seen
as an erratic part of reiki. This abundance is not erratic.. . . .however
there is a weak link in the chain. . . . . . many a slip twixt a cup and a
lip:)


> One of the beautiful aspects of Reiki is that neither the receiver or
> practitioner needs to have any specific belief or knowledge in order for
the
> energy to be beneficial.

  fortunately, you are mistaken.. ..  because no learning would take place
in the absence of specific belief or knowledge. The reason reiki looks
inconsistant *is* because of a lack of understanding of ones part in it's
manifestation.
>
> > > Nothing more and nothings less.
> >
> > > What is needed may or may not be agreed with by either the
practitioner
> or
> > > the receiver, may or may not be realized by either and may or may not
be
> > > noticeable by either.
> > >
> > > It is consistently inconsistent.
> > >
> >
> > what is realized is no more inconsistant than whom is realizing it:)
> >     Love is. . .
> >
> Since you seem incapable to understand the above statement I will explain
it
> to you.
> consistently inconsistent.
> The results of any and all sessions are so varied that all results are
> consistently inconsistent.

 Got it!.  . thanks.


> Love is but one aspect of the whole

 When you are speaking of this aspect of reiki. .. . it is everything!

>  ShadowWolf
>  http://www.mysticreiki.com
>  http://www.reiki.net
> > > "Chanakya" <japin0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:14b0ef05.0404172350.2c8673bd@posting.google.com...
> > > > Guys,
> > > > I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> > > > have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said
that
> > > > only those things that are more inclined to health for many
inqustive
> > > > listeners.
> > > > Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps
me
> > > > to answer this question next time..
> > > >
> > > > WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> > > > \
> > > > thanks
> > > > cha
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

######

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"Garry Williams" <gdwill@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:58:24 GMT, "arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
> >news:Im7hc.59557$I83.1162243@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> >> Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
> >individual.
> >
> > given that the recipient is worthy.
>
> All recipients are worthy of Reiki, and each one receives exactly what
> is most needed by that individual, regardless of anyone's, including
> the recipient's, expectations.

 i see you believe things of others that they cannot believe of themselves.
Each one recieves exactly what they *can* "have". . .. . thus, the
erradicacies of reiki results coupled with what a person views as "healing".
Love is. . ..

> Love and Light,
>
> Garry
>

######

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arthealer wrote:
>> ShadowWolf replies:
>>
>> If as Gary pointed out you are not a Reiki practitioner of any type
>> than I fail to see how you can make such a statement.
>
>
>  Oh, so only reiki practitioners can have beliefs about reiki?. .
> .and only the beliefs that reiki practitioners hold are enlightened?
> If you are a Reiki practitioner of any type, then i fail to see how
> you could have missed the point.
> The point is that in the midst of an abundant universe what is most
> needed and provided for is failed to be realized sometimes by both
> the practitioner and the recipient. This failure is not the 'fault'
> of reiki . . . .and seen as an erratic part of reiki. This abundance
> is not erratic.. . . .however there is a weak link in the chain. . .
> . . . many a slip twixt a cup and a lip:)

Have you given Reiki to a Cat, Horse, Plant etc. ?
How did there sense of worthiness affect the outcome?

>> One of the beautiful aspects of Reiki is that neither the receiver or
>> practitioner needs to have any specific belief or knowledge in order
>> for the energy to be beneficial.
>
>   fortunately, you are mistaken.. ..  because no learning would take
> place in the absence of specific belief or knowledge. The reason
> reiki looks inconsistant *is* because of a lack of understanding of
> ones part in it's manifestation.


How does a cat, horse or plant's beliefs influence the results?
What do animals need to learn?

>>>> Nothing more and nothing less.
>>>
>>>> What is needed may or may not be agreed with by either the
>>>> practitioner or the receiver, may or may not be realized by either
>>>> and may or may not be noticeable by either.
>>>>
>>>> It is consistently inconsistent.
>>>>
>>>
>>> what is realized is no more inconsistant than whom is realizing it:)
>>>     Love is. . .

Why limit Reiki to what a one understands or believes?
And why bring emotions into it?

>> Since you seem incapable to understand the above statement I will
>> explain it to you.
>> consistently inconsistent.
>> The results of any and all sessions are so varied that all results
>> are consistently inconsistent.
>
>  Got it!.  . thanks.
>
>
>> Love is but one aspect of the whole
>
>  When you are speaking of this aspect of reiki. .. . it is everything!

Sorry no sale...

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"bluesrock03" <bluesrock003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> arthealer wrote:
> >> ShadowWolf replies:
> >>
> >> If as Gary pointed out you are not a Reiki practitioner of any type
> >> than I fail to see how you can make such a statement.
> >
> >
> >  Oh, so only reiki practitioners can have beliefs about reiki?. .
> > .and only the beliefs that reiki practitioners hold are enlightened?
> > If you are a Reiki practitioner of any type, then i fail to see how
> > you could have missed the point.
> > The point is that in the midst of an abundant universe what is most
> > needed and provided for is failed to be realized sometimes by both
> > the practitioner and the recipient. This failure is not the 'fault'
> > of reiki . . . .and seen as an erratic part of reiki. This abundance
> > is not erratic.. . . .however there is a weak link in the chain. . .
> > . . . many a slip twixt a cup and a lip:)
>
> Have you given Reiki to a Cat, Horse, Plant etc. ?
> How did there sense of worthiness affect the outcome?

Your preconcieved notions are more effective than mine?

> >> One of the beautiful aspects of Reiki is that neither the receiver or
> >> practitioner needs to have any specific belief or knowledge in order
> >> for the energy to be beneficial.
> >
> >   fortunately, you are mistaken.. ..  because no learning would take
> > place in the absence of specific belief or knowledge. The reason
> > reiki looks inconsistant *is* because of a lack of understanding of
> > ones part in it's manifestation.
>
>
> How does a cat, horse or plant's beliefs influence the results?
> What do animals need to learn?

If you feel comfortable without any control over your own health, casting
your fate to the wind then have at it. If you don't think there is any
lessons to be had in healing then it is yours. If you feel as though you are
special in the way you are equiped to deal with life, perhaps you are. If
you set yourself to far aside from other life here. . .. where are you?

> >>>> Nothing more and nothing less.
> >>>
> >>>> What is needed may or may not be agreed with by either the
> >>>> practitioner or the receiver, may or may not be realized by either
> >>>> and may or may not be noticeable by either.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is consistently inconsistent.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> what is realized is no more inconsistant than whom is realizing it:)
> >>>     Love is. . .
>
> Why limit Reiki to what a one understands or believes?
> And why bring emotions into it?

If you think reiki is something alienated from yourself and your intentions
what role do the precepts play in reiki?

> >> Since you seem incapable to understand the above statement I will
> >> explain it to you.
> >> consistently inconsistent.
> >> The results of any and all sessions are so varied that all results
> >> are consistently inconsistent.
> >
> >  Got it!.  . thanks.
> >
> >
> >> Love is but one aspect of the whole
> >
> >  When you are speaking of this aspect of reiki. .. . it is everything!

>sorry no sale.

Taking control of your life isn't for everyone.
Love is . . . .

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"arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> pr wrote:
>
>
> > In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.
>
> this seems to be a common misconception. . . . .

One that I have obviously succumbed to as well.
I have decided that it is pointless to try and engage
with you in some kind of discussion or exploration
of a topic. You have your opinion and come high
hell or water, nothing is going to shift it.
The point of discussion is of course not to get you
to shift your viewpoint. However, you seem to be
incapable of even considering alternatives, or alternative
views of expressing it.
This inability also transfers itself to the other party,
making the exchange pointless.

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

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Chanakya wrote:

> Guys,
> I get this question asked many times ... what does Reiki do? and I
> have knowledge that are related to the health ONLY! .I have said that
> only those things that are more inclined to health for many inqustive
> listeners.
> Can any one of you share their knowledge and experiences that helps me
> to answer this question next time..
> 
> WHAT DOES REIKI DO?
> \
> thanks 
> cha

  I am coming in again
  if one person  has a problem and takes  an aspirin the effect of the 
aspirin is just on the physical level that's all

  if the intake of aspinrine is  sorrounded (by the giver) by a regular 
context  like in reiki  with hatsurei- ho study  meditation  use of 
precept and a rule of living to help others and so on the use of the 
aspirine will also work on yur mental level and on the others mental level

  using reiki is like using Aspirine
   you can just simply give ( and some people can ) and you can also add 
intent and  give  a part of yoursef will of doing good..
  and  his will  make probably the Reiki more effective
  Reiki is related to health only'
  yes but  define what is health ..first
   health can be a physical  scar  a flue  o broken bone, but can also be
  an undigested  sorrow that you have since your childhoood
  a  problem in your living by karmic  resurgence.. a physical illness 
provoked my a pscosomatic  stress.. what is health?
   all these inconsistente problems appears often  as physical problems 
in the material plane

  so Reiki cures this and backdraft curing also the origine thet 
provoked the problem  we see

  often cures first the cause e and later the effect



Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4

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      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
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"pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> "arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:407c53fe403b5ef59a0fe76be18465c9@news.teranews.com...
> > pr wrote:
> >
> >
> > > In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.
> >
> > this seems to be a common misconception. . . . .
>
> One that I have obviously succumbed to as well.
> I have decided that it is pointless to try and engage
> with you in some kind of discussion or exploration
> of a topic. You have your opinion and come high
> hell or water, nothing is going to shift it.

i don't see many opinions shifted here through just one conversation. i see
a gradual shift of everyone's . . .including my own. If you feel as though
it is pointless to engage me then perhaps you should consider again what
seeds you yourself have sown in my field. i have asked you on several
occasions without response *your* viewpoint on particular topics because you
are well versed in them. Sometimes the point of conversation is to
strengthen your own beliefs and convictions. Sometimes those faulty
convictions die hard and over time but things are always in flux. i have
always enjoyed our conversations and will miss your input.
love is.. . .




> --
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
>
>
>
>

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"pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote in message
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> "arthealer" <arthealer99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
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> > > Reiki does for the receiver exactly what is most needed by that
> > individual.
> >
> >  given that the recipient is worthy.
>
> You must be practicing "Evaluation reiki"?

hmmmmmmmmm. . . .. i've never looked at it that way before.

> Who or what would evaluate a recipients worthiness, and
> on what basis?

You're absolutely right. . .  . there is no reason for me to have come to
this conclusion.

> Worthiness of the recipient has nothing to do with reiki.

And because i don't practice reiki per se, i didn't know this.

> In fact, the less "worthy" the recipient the more he needs it.

Well of course. This makes total sense to me now.

> And note that I do not say "deserves it".
>

i would never assume to put words in your mouth pr.
Love is. . .

is this better?:)

> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
>
>
>

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> > All recipients are worthy of Reiki, and each one receives exactly what
> > is most needed by that individual, regardless of anyone's, including
> > the recipient's, expectations.
>
>  i see you believe things of others that they cannot believe of
themselves.
> Each one recieves exactly what they *can* "have". . .. . thus, the
> erradicacies of reiki results coupled with what a person views as
"healing".
> Love is. . ..
>
The actual point is that the practitioner is not in control of what healing
will transpire, their intention should merely be to assist the receiver in
acquiring additional Energy.
This is because the receiver has indicated in some manner they would
appreciate some assistance.

Because in the Reiki system it is believed that the Energy  (which is
considered to be the Life Force Energy) is intelligent energy and doesn't
need the direction of the practitioner to determine what is needed.
Many times it is not evident what the root causes are that need addressing
and that is the main reason the Energy ) utilized with the Reiki system)
appears to be consistently inconsistent.

The practitioner does not have to  believe anything about the receiver or
vise versa.
-- 
ShadowWolf
http://www.mysticreiki.com
http://www.reiki.net

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>  Oh, so only reiki practitioners can have beliefs about reiki?. . .and
only
> the beliefs that reiki practitioners hold are enlightened?
What I am saying is that unless you are practicing Reiki you can not know
what it is, what it can do or what it actually does.
All you can do is read about it from many sources which may or may not be
accurate to any degree.

As for "Enlightenment"  I do not hold that Reiki enlightens anyone
althoughif one were to continue to assist others with no intention of
manipulation or control and with the idea to just be there  they will
eventually find they may feel more enlightened, peaceful, loving etc.

> If you are a Reiki practitioner of any type, then i fail to see how you
> could have missed the point.
Which point do you think I missed?

> The point is that in the midst of an abundant universe what is most needed
> and provided for is failed to be realized sometimes by both the
practitioner
> and the recipient.
Stop and think right here if you will, the point is that no one knows what
is most needed so how can you make a determination that there is a failure
or for that matter a success?

Many discomforts or illnesses have causes deeply hidden from the conscous
mind and it is these areas that may be being addressed in a session.
Also there is never an assumption that an immediate healing should occur or
will occur.

>This failure is not the 'fault' of reiki . . . .and seen
> as an erratic part of reiki. This abundance is not erratic.. . . .however
> there is a weak link in the chain. . . . . . many a slip twixt a cup and a
> lip:)
>
Given that the same practitioner can work on the same receiver numourous
times with varing results your theory holds No water.

>
> > One of the beautiful aspects of Reiki is that neither the receiver or
> > practitioner needs to have any specific belief or knowledge in order for
> the
> > energy to be beneficial.
>
>   fortunately, you are mistaken.. ..  because no learning would take place
> in the absence of specific belief or knowledge. The reason reiki looks
> inconsistant *is* because of a lack of understanding of ones part in it's
> manifestation.
> >

How unfortunate for you to hold such a sad belief!

-- 
ShadowWolf
http://www.mysticreiki.com
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Hi Joseph,

ShadowWolf wrote:
> 
> "Theo" <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
> news:c6d1i6$nf3$1@news.eusc.inter.net...
> >   if the intake of aspinrine is  sorrounded (by the giver) by a regular
> > context  like in reiki  with hatsurei- ho study  meditation  use of
> > precept and a rule of living to help others and so on the use of the
> > aspirine will also work on yur mental level and on the others mental 
> >level
> I am wondering how you can make such a claim.

There are many studies that show the attitude of a care giver can affect the
effectiveness of a treatment. There was a show on the discovery channel on this
subject a few weeks ago.

> The Energy from the reiki will do only that which is normal for it to do.

And that is ???

> The aspirin will only do that which it is normal for it to do.
> Both are seperate from each other and there is absolutely no need to 
> attempt to alter the aspirin .

I didn't read that Theo thought the aspirin was altered, only that an aspirin
given with love could be more effective than one given with out love.

>  If you are doing Reiki your intention should be to be a clear channel that
> means leave your personal attitudes about healing aside and just allow that
> the Energy will do what is needed.
> 
> >   using reiki is like using Aspirine
> >    you can just simply give ( and some people can ) and you can also add
> > intent and  give  a part of yoursef will of doing good..

> Once you add personal intention to manipulate the workings of the Energy 
> you are no longer doing just Reiki, you are then doing multible  modalities.

I read this on a web site,
> As we progress it is important to understand that the use of this system does not require rejection any of current beliefs.

My belief system at the time I was introduced to Reiki was that UE has no limits
other than those imposed by personal belief, there fore I can't believe that the
practice of Reiki has limits.

> It is in harmony with all known religious practices, although it is frequently referred to by other names.
> Known to the Chinese as "Chi", to the Indians as "Prana". It is called 
> "Light" in some circles and "Holy Spirit" in Christian teachings.
> 
> Reiki is described as an autonomous, intelligent, and self-directing 
> healing energy.
> Although it is not possible to define and or explain exactly what it is, or how it actually works, or for that matter, why it works, we shall proceed 
> with the understanding that it just works.
 
> >   and  his will  make probably the Reiki more effective
> No, his will will only control the amount of personal energy that is shared
> not the Universal energy drawn by the receiver in the session.

Can you accept that that personal energy altered by intent (conscious or not)
may effect the UE & what it does? (Similar to how a transistor works.)
 
GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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> ShadowWolf
> http://www.mysticreiki.com
> http://www.reiki.net

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"Garry Williams" <gdwill@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:17:43 +0200, "pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:
>
> >A few months ago I started a thread "I have changed my mind" and
> >listed a few item where I reconsidered my position. It had one
> >reply from Garry who, instead of posting where in what ways he
> >has changed, challenged me to post more of my changes.
> >This does not look to me like everyone shifting.
>
> Well, actually, I asked you to specify what your postion had changed
> from and what it had changed to and what caused you to make that
> change. All you really said was "my position has changed" without
> stating what the position was and what had caused it to change. Not
> very informative, nor likely to stimulate discussion. It is as if I
> had stated "my favorite color has changed", and made no other comment,
> and then expected others to follow up with "I changed my beverage" and
> "I changed my hairstyle". Great, insightful stuff.  ;-)

That post was carefully crafted to be as open-ended as possible,
to not give any direction, or rather leave the direction it takes
up to any respondent as much as possible.
It was not intended as the basis for discussion, but as an
opportunity to stop and recognize what changes have happened.
Such recognition I would truly call "great, insightful stuff".
We might reflect on the fact that it is apparently not good
enough to state that something has occured but always want
to know why, where and how, and if that is not forthcoming
then the actual happening seems to have less value or is
seen to be of diminished importance.

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

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From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams)
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:49:14 +0200, "pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:

>
>"Garry Williams" <gdwill@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:408bde1a.1912292@news.Individual.NET...
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:17:43 +0200, "pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> >A few months ago I started a thread "I have changed my mind" and
>> >listed a few item where I reconsidered my position. It had one
>> >reply from Garry who, instead of posting where in what ways he
>> >has changed, challenged me to post more of my changes.
>> >This does not look to me like everyone shifting.
>>
>> Well, actually, I asked you to specify what your postion had changed
>> from and what it had changed to and what caused you to make that
>> change. All you really said was "my position has changed" without
>> stating what the position was and what had caused it to change. Not
>> very informative, nor likely to stimulate discussion. It is as if I
>> had stated "my favorite color has changed", and made no other comment,
>> and then expected others to follow up with "I changed my beverage" and
>> "I changed my hairstyle". Great, insightful stuff.  ;-)
>
>That post was carefully crafted to be as open-ended as possible,

Sometimes it's possible to be too open ended. Which is why sometimes
we get reminded to stay on topic or start a new thread when the
direction of discussion changes. A tiny nudge of direction can be
good.

>to not give any direction, or rather leave the direction it takes
>up to any respondent as much as possible.
>It was not intended as the basis for discussion, but as an
>opportunity to stop and recognize what changes have happened.
>Such recognition I would truly call "great, insightful stuff".

If something important really has changed, it shouldn't be too
difficult to put our finger on what it is and communicate that to
others without being afraid of keeping the discussion from being open
ended.

>We might reflect on the fact that it is apparently not good
>enough to state that something has occured but always want
>to know why, where and how, and if that is not forthcoming
>then the actual happening seems to have less value or is
>seen to be of diminished importance.

Perhaps, or perhaps not. Perhaps it's just a matter of wanting to know
*what* rather than necessarily why or how in order to understand what
sorts of contributions the discussion is looking for.

namaste,

Garry

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"ShadowWolf" <wolf@reiki.net> wrote in message
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>
> > > All recipients are worthy of Reiki, and each one receives exactly what
> > > is most needed by that individual, regardless of anyone's, including
> > > the recipient's, expectations.
> >
> >  i see you believe things of others that they cannot believe of
> themselves.
> > Each one recieves exactly what they *can* "have". . .. . thus, the
> > erradicacies of reiki results coupled with what a person views as
> "healing".
> > Love is. . ..
> >
> The actual point is that the practitioner is not in control of what
healing
> will transpire, their intention should merely be to assist the receiver in
> acquiring additional Energy.
> This is because the receiver has indicated in some manner they would
> appreciate some assistance.

Yes, reiki helps to facilitate relief of stress in the body and therefor
quickening the natural healing process.

> Because in the Reiki system it is believed that the Energy  (which is
> considered to be the Life Force Energy) is intelligent energy and doesn't
> need the direction of the practitioner to determine what is needed.
> Many times it is not evident what the root causes are that need addressing
> and that is the main reason the Energy ) utilized with the Reiki system)
> appears to be consistently inconsistent.

So it is simply important to "point" this intelligent energy in the right
direction.

> The practitioner does not have to  believe anything about the receiver or
> vise versa.

of course:)

> ShadowWolf
> http://www.mysticreiki.com
> http://www.reiki.net
>
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