From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:19:20 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wblv-241-232.telkomadsl.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 1079090329 6550 165.165.241.232 (12 Mar 2004 11:18:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2004 11:18:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!demorgan.zen.co.uk!194.72.9.35.MISMATCH!news-peer1!news-peer0-test!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14612 I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. "just for today, don't worry" "just for today, don't be angry" "just for today, be grateful" "just for today, work hard on yourself" "just for today, be kind to others" She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: For days, weeks and months she is worrying. For days, weeks and months she is angry. For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has forgotten about herself. And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the people closest to her. Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them can bring forth how life could be! -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:49:09 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4051b103.3428058@news.Individual.NET> References: Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0au.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.1.94) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079095520 67602935 I 207.69.1.94 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0au.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14617 "The secret method of inviting happiness "The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." Usui sensei wasn't kidding! :-) Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:32:06 GMT Lines: 53 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14618 "pr" wrote in message news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > "just for today, don't worry" > "just for today, don't be angry" > "just for today, be grateful" > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > "just for today, be kind to others" pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? Love is. .. > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > forgotten about herself. > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > people closest to her. > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > can bring forth how life could be! > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:04:27 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm842-03.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14619 arthealer wrote: > > "pr" wrote in message > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > "just for today, don't worry" > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > "just for today, be grateful" > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? How about... when a situation comes up that *could* make you angry, because it has done so in the past, don't give in to it. Look at it objectively rather than emotionally and try to find out why it is that it provokes anger in you. Maybe that way you can find a way to `let go of the anger'. Hope that wasn't too vague - it was hard to explain. sue ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:57:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1079139438 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:57:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:57:18 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14629 Try this if you wish. Just for today etc First we accept that there are both negative and positive happening in our everyday life. Second we accept that any strong reaction we have to these negative happening can be or is definitely harmful to us on some level. Third we apply the principle that is in accordance with the happening with the thought.. In this moment, Just for today, in this moment We realize that it is only after this moment that we will be in a position to developed a proper response to the happening and to find a means to resolve it, in that moment, It kind of means to me that we need to take a moment to think before we react. Namaste ShadowWolf -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "suzee" wrote in message news:4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com... > arthealer wrote: > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? > > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? > > How about... when a situation comes up that *could* make you angry, > because it has done so in the past, don't give in to it. Look at it > objectively rather than emotionally and try to find out why it is that > it provokes anger in you. Maybe that way you can find a way to `let go > of the anger'. > > Hope that wasn't too vague - it was hard to explain. > > sue > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <70172e13d2d9b2d7f6a9313805d58e66@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:30:02 GMT Lines: 41 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!surfnet.nl!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.octanews.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14632 "suzee" wrote in message news:4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com... > arthealer wrote: > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? > > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? > > How about... when a situation comes up that *could* make you angry, > because it has done so in the past, don't give in to it. Look at it > objectively rather than emotionally and try to find out why it is that > it provokes anger in you. Maybe that way you can find a way to `let go > of the anger'. > > Hope that wasn't too vague - it was hard to explain. > > sue Thank you sue . . .that was pretty specific.. . . .more later. . Love is ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 06:46:51 +0200 Lines: 87 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-203.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <405297ec.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Mar 2004 07:11:08 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-203.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-203.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14635 "arthealer" wrote in message news:3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com... > > "pr" wrote in message > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > "just for today, don't worry" > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > "just for today, be grateful" > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? ~arthealer, The precepts are there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we can't. But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is an opportunity to gain some insight into myself. The following is a brief version of how David Brazier deals with the Buddhist precepts in "Zen Therapy", but it applies equally well to Usui's Reki principles: They are the description of the ideal person, but more than that, they are an essential part of the means [to reach that state]. At the outer level they guide action, at the inner level they reveal the pure mind. The preceptual path, in its reality, is simply the life force. However, most people have been innoculated against real life. They protect themelves against it as if it were a dreadful disease. We follow the precepts because that is what our heart wants us to do, fully knowing that we will frequently fail. Whether of not it is possible [to live up to them] is not the point, it is our inmost desire. We have to do it [if we would really listen]. The essence of the precepts is to search our own lives, to notice our compulsions and break their hold as soon as we become aware of them. //end excerpt Usually our lives are chaotic, one thing flows into another without break. Background and foregorund have ceased to exist, they have collapsed into one thing. Numerous demands are fighting for our attention. If there is no real demand from outside our mind keeps up the ceaseless stream of conflict. There is no respite. As a means of explanation about the *effect* of the principles I visualize an image where the principle is like a canvas, a backdrop, with nothing drawn on it, uniform in its color and features. Against this backdrop it becomes easier to see the activity in the foreground, things become separate events with less "contamination" by other events. I can see how they arise and fade away on their own, rather than being drowned out by other events. The possibility now arises to deal with the things more on a one by one basis, seeing them in a clearer light, and seeing them for what they really are. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:02:54 +0200 Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-40.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Mar 2004 15:59:26 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-40.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-40.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14644 "suzee" wrote in message news:4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com... > arthealer wrote: > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? > > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? > > How about... when a situation comes up that *could* make you angry, > because it has done so in the past, don't give in to it. Look at it > objectively rather than emotionally and try to find out why it is that > it provokes anger in you. Maybe that way you can find a way to `let go > of the anger'. > > Hope that wasn't too vague - it was hard to explain. Maybe a "heart matter" is always difficult to explain with a "head approach". What you write makes sense, may work sometimes, maybe even all the time. Just reading it I find no satisfaction in it, I find no "soul", it does not speak to me. Is it the hard light of the proposed objectivity? Or the controlling that seems necessary? Or the calculating manner in which it would have to be dealt with? A good attempt anyway! I wonder how others feel about it (NOT what they think)? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <4573573407c69cbdbb6989092a73cb43@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:13:55 GMT Lines: 105 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <405297ec.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14664 "pr" wrote in message news:405297ec.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "arthealer" wrote in message > news:3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com... > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish > this? > > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? > > ~arthealer, > > The precepts are there, and we follow them, not > because they can be achieved but because we can't. i don't understand why you would say this? > But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is > an opportunity to gain some insight into myself. > The following is a brief version of how David > Brazier deals with the Buddhist precepts in > "Zen Therapy", but it applies equally well to > Usui's Reki principles: > They are the description of the ideal person, but > more than that, they are an essential part of the > means [to reach that state]. At the outer level they > guide action, at the inner level they reveal the pure > mind. > The preceptual path, in its reality, is simply the > life force. However, most people have been > innoculated against real life. They protect themelves > against it as if it were a dreadful disease. > We follow the precepts because that is what our > heart wants us to do, fully knowing that we will > frequently fail. Whether of not it is possible [to > live up to them] is not the point, it is our inmost > desire. We have to do it [if we would really listen]. > The essence of the precepts is to search our own > lives, to notice our compulsions and break their > hold as soon as we become aware of them. > //end excerpt > > Usually our lives are chaotic, one thing flows > into another without break. Background and > foregorund have ceased to exist, they have > collapsed into one thing. Numerous demands > are fighting for our attention. > If there is no real demand from outside our mind > keeps up the ceaseless stream of conflict. There > is no respite. But that is what "just for today. . don't worry" addresses, no? > As a means of explanation about the *effect* > of the principles I visualize an image where the > principle is like a canvas, a backdrop, with nothing > drawn on it, uniform in its color and features. > Against this backdrop it becomes easier to see > the activity in the foreground, things become separate > events with less "contamination" by other events. This is a clear example of being more in the moment. > I can see how they arise and fade away on their own, > rather than being drowned out by other events. > The possibility now arises to deal with the things > more on a one by one basis, seeing them in a clearer > light, and seeing them for what they really are. > Thanks pr. . . love is. . . > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:38:34 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0a7.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.1.71) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079210079 69610396 I 207.69.1.71 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0a7.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14678 On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:02:54 +0200, "pr" wrote: >Maybe a "heart matter" is always difficult to explain >with a "head approach". What you write makes sense, >may work sometimes, maybe even all the time. >Just reading it I find no satisfaction in it, I find no "soul", >it does not speak to me. Is it the hard light of the >proposed objectivity? Or the controlling that seems >necessary? Or the calculating manner in which it would >have to be dealt with? >A good attempt anyway! I wonder how others feel >about it (NOT what they think)? I don't know how to convey heart matters and soul with mere words, but I try to apply the first two principles by observing myself and when I notice myself getting angry or worried, I stop, let it go, and look it squarely in the eye and ask myself how this feeling is helpful to me right now. Then I either feel it or let go of it entirely, depending on how I answered the question. An intellectual description of an essentially wordless process. Sorry, best I could do! namaste, Garry >-- >Namu Amida Butsu >Peter Reber >"Life knows its needs" > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <4c1dee98fa409c0633e3a1b1e9855a06@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:13:38 GMT Lines: 26 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!router3.news.adelphia.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14681 "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:O%s4c.246365$jH.2924333@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > Try this if you wish. > Just for today etc > > First we accept that there are both negative and positive happening in our > everyday life. > Second we accept that any strong reaction we have to these negative > happening can be or is definitely harmful to us on some level. > Third we apply the principle that is in accordance with the happening with > the thought.. > In this moment, Just for today, in this moment > We realize that it is only after this moment that we will be in a position > to developed a proper response to the happening and to find a means to > resolve it, in that moment, > > It kind of means to me that we need to take a moment to think before we > react. > > Namaste > ShadowWolf > Thank you. That is very clear and understandable. ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <4c1dee98fa409c0633e3a1b1e9855a06@news.teranews.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079220992 68846659 I 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14682 (arthealer) wrote: > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > news:O%s4c.246365$jH.2924333@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > > Try this if you wish. > > Just for today etc > > > > First we accept that there are both negative and positive happening > > in oureveryday life. > > Second we accept that any strong reaction we have to these negative > > happening can be or is definitely harmful to us on some level. > > Third we apply the principle that is in accordance with the happening > > with the thought.. > > In this moment, Just for today, in this moment > > We realize that it is only after this moment that we will be in a > > position to developed a proper response to the happening and to find > > a means to resolve it, in that moment, > > > > It kind of means to me that we need to take a moment to think before > > we react. > > > > Namaste > > ShadowWolf > > Thank you. That is very clear and understandable. Yes ... perspective in context ... Stuart ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:25:52 +0200 Lines: 84 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-116.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <4053fbe3.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 14 Mar 2004 08:29:55 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-116.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-116.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14686 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET... > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:02:54 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >Maybe a "heart matter" is always difficult to explain > >with a "head approach". What you write makes sense, > >may work sometimes, maybe even all the time. > >Just reading it I find no satisfaction in it, I find no "soul", > >it does not speak to me. Is it the hard light of the > >proposed objectivity? Or the controlling that seems > >necessary? Or the calculating manner in which it would > >have to be dealt with? > >A good attempt anyway! I wonder how others feel > >about it (NOT what they think)? > > I don't know how to convey heart matters and soul with mere words, but > I try to apply the first two principles by observing myself and when I > notice myself getting angry or worried, I stop, let it go, and look it > squarely in the eye and ask myself how this feeling is helpful to me > right now. Then I either feel it or let go of it entirely, depending > on how I answered the question. An intellectual description of an > essentially wordless process. Sorry, best I could do! For now! I hope you will do better soon :-) How much time did you spend before writing this post? No, you do not have to answer me, just ask yourself this question. A few weeks back I wrote something about Prof gendlin who figured out how he can predict the successful or non-succesful outcome of counselling. I wrote that he identified two characteristic which enabled him to make a prediction with uncanny accuracy. I deliberately left out the characteristics he identified. Amazingly, at least to me, there was not a single question about what they are. Either you all know it already, unlikely as it is not even known in many professional circles, or ...? I interpret this as most people here not being interested in dealing with the whole person in his/her totality. You apply Reiki, and that's it, the rest is largely immaterial and is left other professionals, healers, etc. I then extrapolate this to ourselves, if we are not interested in the totality of others, are we interested in the totality of ourselves? What does this have to do with what you wrote? Let's see. The two characteristics are: 1) The persons slows down 2) The person become more incoherent Yes, incoherent! Both effects are actually quite logical. To let new things emerge needs time, a slowing down of our usual processes in order to give space to what wants to be expressed. As things begin to surface it may not be clear what it is. Unfamiliar territory makes the person grapple for words to describe it accurately, what may be said may begin to sound rather incoherent. How much time did you give yourself for "soul" to emerge? How many times did you go over your writing, changing words, wondering if that is really what you feel, trying this, trying that, rephrasing, maybe start all over again? We all know how to convey heart matters and soul with words, you only have to read poetry, or listen to the lyrics of some songs, or read the first few verses of the Bible. If you are lucky you may even find it on a Hallmark card. We may not feel confident, we may not have practiced much, if at all, but we all know what is required and how it reads or sounds when our "soul" has spoken or when somebody's words have touched our innermost being. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:30:54 +0100 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1079249454 24841 212.59.174.188 (14 Mar 2004 07:30:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14687 HI Garry Williams wrote: >>Maybe a "heart matter" is always difficult to explain >>with a "head approach". What you write makes sense, >>may work sometimes, maybe even all the time. >>Just reading it I find no satisfaction in it, I find no "soul", >>it does not speak to me. Is it the hard light of the >>proposed objectivity? Or the controlling that seems >>necessary? Or the calculating manner in which it would >>have to be dealt with? >>A good attempt anyway! I wonder how others feel >>about it (NOT what they think)? > > > I don't know how to convey heart matters and soul with mere words, but > I try to apply the first two principles by observing myself and when I > notice myself getting angry or worried, we all should but often we don't this morning I was idling in bed and doing some reiki and when I started the principles the phrase come out like a shot > just for today, don't worry *BE HAPPY* i just added that *be happy* and I guess it is fine and complete the sentence .. NOt to worry it is easier to say than to do it all depends how we are it depends upon our sensibility I am more semsible to some sort of emotional stimulus than to some others .. we are not all the same.. But I guess some fatalism * to sweeten the bitter pill * is a must . > I stop, let it go, and look it > squarely in the eye and ask myself how this feeling is helpful to me > right now. Then I either feel it or let go of it entirely, depending > on how I answered the question. An intellectual description of an > essentially wordless process. Sorry, best I could do! yeah often to face a our problems like staring at ourselves in a mirror it helps Sometimes I write down trying to say something while writing ideas line up in a quite coerent outburst that explain what we do not accept or our inner fears .. I also started doing some drawings.. amusing what we can do following our inner feelings .. one was a wall of bricks.. with his rought texture very amusing, another one was a graveyard with the vertical tombstones were half human busts all lined up in rows.. like a wareahuse where to stock corpses .. become unecessary bodies 2 days ago I was down and i felt like doing that : a tightrope walker above an abyss holding a pole on his hands to keep the balance .. in the dark abyss are some monsters Brueghel style and the twin towers and some rubbles. and a city . the rope is burning and falling into ashes just behind his back foot and the part of the rope before him is just becomining consistent at each next step.. I think will work more on it and make a good painting.. in my opinion defines the incertitude of the *instant* I am actually living ; no possible way back and the future will become real as I will built it up.. in the meanswile I need to keep the balance not to fall in that abysse filled with my fears .. ( twin towers monsters void ..and so on,,) Love and light BTW for contact use mainly as the other one will be closed by the end of the month ;-) cheers Theo "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:41:30 +0100 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 94 Message-ID: References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1079250089 24938 212.59.174.111 (14 Mar 2004 07:41:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14688 I suddenly decided to look for some Tightrope pics and found one from Klee and this one is not teh tight rope but ... explains what I just wrote sincronicity again?!! http://www.vanauten.com/images/self.jpg is named "Self " Theo Theo wrote: > HI > > Garry Williams wrote: > >>> Maybe a "heart matter" is always difficult to explain >>> with a "head approach". What you write makes sense, >>> may work sometimes, maybe even all the time. >>> Just reading it I find no satisfaction in it, I find no "soul", >>> it does not speak to me. Is it the hard light of the >>> proposed objectivity? Or the controlling that seems >>> necessary? Or the calculating manner in which it would >>> have to be dealt with? >>> A good attempt anyway! I wonder how others feel >>> about it (NOT what they think)? >> >> >> >> I don't know how to convey heart matters and soul with mere words, but >> I try to apply the first two principles by observing myself and when I >> notice myself getting angry or worried, > > > we all should but often we don't > this morning I was idling in bed and doing some reiki and when I > started the principles > the phrase come out like a shot > > just for today, don't worry *BE HAPPY* > i just added that *be happy* and I guess it is fine and complete the > sentence .. > NOt to worry it is easier to say than to do > it all depends how we are it depends upon our sensibility > I am more semsible to some sort of emotional stimulus than to some > others .. we are not all the same.. > But I guess some fatalism * to sweeten the bitter pill * is a must . > >> I stop, let it go, and look it >> squarely in the eye and ask myself how this feeling is helpful to me >> right now. Then I either feel it or let go of it entirely, depending >> on how I answered the question. An intellectual description of an >> essentially wordless process. Sorry, best I could do! > > yeah often to face a our problems like staring at ourselves in a > mirror it helps > Sometimes I write down trying to say something while writing ideas line > up in a quite coerent outburst that explain what we do not accept or > our inner fears .. > I also started doing some drawings.. amusing what we can do following > our inner feelings .. > > one was a wall of bricks.. with his rought texture very amusing, > another one was a graveyard with the vertical tombstones were half > human busts all lined up in rows.. like a wareahuse where to stock > corpses .. become unecessary bodies > > 2 days ago I was down and i felt like doing that : > a tightrope walker above an abyss holding a pole on his hands to keep > the balance .. in the dark abyss are some monsters Brueghel style and > the twin towers and some rubbles. and a city . the rope is burning > and falling into ashes just behind his back foot and the part of > the rope before him is just becomining consistent at each next step.. > I think will work more on it and make a good painting.. in my opinion > defines the incertitude of the *instant* I am actually living ; no > possible way back and the future will become real as I will built it > up.. in the meanswile I need to keep the balance not to fall in that > abysse filled with my fears .. ( twin towers monsters void ..and so on,,) > Love and light > > BTW for contact use mainly as the other one > will be closed by the end of the month ;-) > cheers > Theo > > > "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its > limits." > -Albert Einstein > -- "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:51:13 +0100 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1079250672 25110 212.59.174.111 (14 Mar 2004 07:51:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14689 me again wonderful!!!!! scroll down the gallery shown by this link and click on the Cross as siggested just in teh middle of teh pahe and read teh text and see the painting right after http://www.vanauten.com/gallery4.html Theo ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:56:48 -0600 From: "Bob R" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Followup-To: poster References: Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:56:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.18.217 X-Trace: sv3-OsgKma49V2l5ZZCz+TK62IgHFWh9lvFur8Mm6Rg8PGcgjEpJOpwrm9lJx3O2vucM4vomWPZ6RMwGFm0!FoOVtFrdX6xYKPdcyolwaGbCAjkyED7JlGBW6Z5IDlnF/YkIec1O23m3UuW9uw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14702 Very cool!! Thanks for posting! -- Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master "pr" wrote in message news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > "just for today, don't worry" > "just for today, don't be angry" > "just for today, be grateful" > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > "just for today, be kind to others" > > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > forgotten about herself. > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > people closest to her. > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > can bring forth how life could be! > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <4d1cde5e73b4687ab71647bc36874175@news.teranews.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:59:17 GMT Lines: 100 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <4051C36B.E9F37D50@imbris.com> <405313be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET> <4053fbe3.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14703 "pr" wrote in message news:4053fbe3.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Garry Williams" wrote in message > news:40536fce.1791679@news.Individual.NET... > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:02:54 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > >Maybe a "heart matter" is always difficult to explain > > >with a "head approach". What you write makes sense, > > >may work sometimes, maybe even all the time. > > >Just reading it I find no satisfaction in it, I find no "soul", > > >it does not speak to me. Is it the hard light of the > > >proposed objectivity? Or the controlling that seems > > >necessary? Or the calculating manner in which it would > > >have to be dealt with? > > >A good attempt anyway! I wonder how others feel > > >about it (NOT what they think)? > > > > I don't know how to convey heart matters and soul with mere words, but > > I try to apply the first two principles by observing myself and when I > > notice myself getting angry or worried, I stop, let it go, and look it > > squarely in the eye and ask myself how this feeling is helpful to me > > right now. Then I either feel it or let go of it entirely, depending > > on how I answered the question. An intellectual description of an > > essentially wordless process. Sorry, best I could do! > > For now! I hope you will do better soon :-) > > How much time did you spend before writing this post? > No, you do not have to answer me, just ask yourself > this question. > > A few weeks back I wrote something about Prof gendlin > who figured out how he can predict the successful or > non-succesful outcome of counselling. I wrote that he > identified two characteristic which enabled him to make > a prediction with uncanny accuracy. I deliberately left > out the characteristics he identified. Amazingly, at least > to me, there was not a single question about what they > are. Either you all know it already, unlikely as it is not > even known in many professional circles, or ...? > I interpret this as most people here not being interested > in dealing with the whole person in his/her totality. where did you get that? >You > apply Reiki, and that's it, the rest is largely immaterial > and is left other professionals, healers, etc. I then > extrapolate this to ourselves, if we are not interested > in the totality of others, are we interested in the > totality of ourselves? perhaps applying reiki *is* the least and most that can be done at the time. > What does this have to do with what you wrote? Let's see. > The two characteristics are: > 1) The persons slows down > 2) The person become more incoherent > Yes, incoherent! Both effects are actually quite logical. > To let new things emerge needs time, a slowing down > of our usual processes in order to give space to what > wants to be expressed. > As things begin to surface it may not be clear what it is. > Unfamiliar territory makes the person grapple for words > to describe it accurately, what may be said may begin > to sound rather incoherent. What do you feel about it pr? You discribe the process without unveiling your own feelings. Let *your* soul speak about the five principals. > How much time did you give yourself for "soul" to emerge? > How many times did you go over your writing, changing > words, wondering if that is really what you feel, trying > this, trying that, rephrasing, maybe start all over again? > We all know how to convey heart matters and soul with > words, you only have to read poetry, or listen to the > lyrics of some songs, or read the first few verses of the > Bible. If you are lucky you may even find it on a Hallmark > card. We may not feel confident, we may not have practiced > much, if at all, but we all know what is required and how it > reads or sounds when our "soul" has spoken or when > somebody's words have touched our innermost being. > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:41:42 GMT Lines: 65 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.octanews.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14704 "Bob R" wrote in message news:KLydnTRPTY4s78nd4p2dnA@comcast.com... > Very cool!! Thanks for posting! > > -- > Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master > > "pr" wrote in message > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > "just for today, don't worry" > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > "just for today, be grateful" > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > > forgotten about herself. > > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > > people closest to her. > > > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > > can bring forth how life could be! The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* to do these things. i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are not really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall short. There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because there are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains *accomplishing* them. Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the same as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking about here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the things we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are not just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to provide only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life empowers one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is empowering ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, but as the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your life is extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply adopting and setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without standing in your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly reaffirming (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. Love is. . .. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:35:16 -0600 From: "Bob R" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Followup-To: poster References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 97 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.18.217 X-Trace: sv3-2yyIySShn/3ZyungibB1+qzcpidUXF/qKNZxrEJj3l2CmIOOOTRibejXymtNcSHgClcQGU+oQ6843Rr!DC/vxpOIqb7cmU30DbePQbudydgoJtp85nJgt8H3ZWfZ3tQfblwZBYfdOnH6rQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.196.106.140!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14707 I couldn't agree with you more when you state that applying the principles is not only a path but damn hard to implement all the time. Part of being human I guess...laugh. But to try to live you life in an honorable way will only make the path easier to walk down. Right now I have a personal challenge with a gut I have known for 20 plus years who in the last two has mislead/lied to me on numerous times. When I confronted him with these issues (this past January) in the form of a letter (because I wanted to rip his head off) there was no contact for a couple of months. And when I just called to see how he was doing,trying to be the better person, it is as if nothing had ever happened. Using this as a challenge for me it is so trying sometimes, as I'm sure you know, to "stay on the path". But try I must......must be in my DNA....laugh Have a great day -- Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master "arthealer" wrote in message news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > "Bob R" wrote in message > news:KLydnTRPTY4s78nd4p2dnA@comcast.com... > > Very cool!! Thanks for posting! > > > > -- > > Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > > > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > > > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > > > > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > > > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > > > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > > > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > > > forgotten about herself. > > > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > > > people closest to her. > > > > > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > > > can bring forth how life could be! > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* to do > these things. > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are not > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall short. > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because there > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains > *accomplishing* them. > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the same > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking about > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the things > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are not > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to provide > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life empowers > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is empowering > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, but as > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your life is > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply adopting and > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without standing in > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly reaffirming > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. > > Love is. . .. > > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:36:23 +0200 Lines: 103 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-3.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 15 Mar 2004 06:34:43 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-3.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-3.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14722 "arthealer" wrote in message news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > "Bob R" wrote in message > news:KLydnTRPTY4s78nd4p2dnA@comcast.com... > > Very cool!! Thanks for posting! > > > > -- > > Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > > > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > > > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > > > > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > > > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > > > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > > > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > > > forgotten about herself. > > > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > > > people closest to her. > > > > > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > > > can bring forth how life could be! > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* to do > these things. This is absolutely wrong and only true because you do not work with the full text, as Garry pointed out weeks ago. It also says: In the morning and at night, with hands held in prayer, Think this in your mind, chant this with your mouth. The Usui Reiki Method to change your mind and body for the better > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are not > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall short. The above shows that the intention is "to change your mind and body for the better". How could it possibly fall short of this if it is applied with dilligence? > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because there > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains > *accomplishing* them. No! The important thing is to work towards them. On a scale that ranges from not good to better how do you determine that you have accomplished something? > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the same > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking about > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the things > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are not > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to provide > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life empowers > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is empowering > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, but as > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your life is > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply adopting and > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without standing in > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly reaffirming > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. I can only see this as a contradiction of your inital paragraphs. What is your real problem with the precepts? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:57:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.246.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1079323054 162.83.246.239 (Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:57:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:57:34 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14720 that is really a nice story. thanks for sharing. "pr" wrote in message news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > "just for today, don't worry" > "just for today, don't be angry" > "just for today, be grateful" > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > "just for today, be kind to others" > > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > forgotten about herself. > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > people closest to her. > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > can bring forth how life could be! > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:09:02 GMT Lines: 148 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14737 "pr" wrote in message news:40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "arthealer" wrote in message > news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > > > "Bob R" wrote in message > > news:KLydnTRPTY4s78nd4p2dnA@comcast.com... > > > Very cool!! Thanks for posting! > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master > > > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > > > "just for today, don't worry" > > > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > > > "just for today, be grateful" > > > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > > > > > > > She finishes writing, looks at them for 5 seconds, 10 seconds > > > > - and breaks down. I listen to her life story an it turns out that: > > > > > > > > For days, weeks and months she is worrying. > > > > For days, weeks and months she is angry. > > > > For a long time she has not seen anything to be grateful about. > > > > For a long time she has been absorbed in problems and has > > > > forgotten about herself. > > > > And for a long she has not been able to be kind to the > > > > people closest to her. > > > > > > > > Ahhhhh! The power of the principles. Just hearing them > > > > can bring forth how life could be! > > > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* to > do > > these things. > > This is absolutely wrong and only true because you do > not work with the full text, as Garry pointed out weeks > ago. It also says: > In the morning and at night, > with hands held in prayer, > Think this in your mind, > chant this with your mouth. > The Usui Reiki Method > to change your mind and body for the better Thanks for posting this affirmation/prayer. But my comment still holds true. > > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are not > > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your > > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall > short. > The above shows that the intention is "to change your mind and body > for the better". How could it possibly fall short of this if it is applied > with dilligence? pr, i didn't pull this out of thin air.. . . this is what you posted: "The precepts are there, and we follow them, *not because they can be achieved but because we can't.* But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is an opportunity to gain some insight into myself" > > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because there > > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains > > *accomplishing* them. > > No! The important thing is to work towards them. You unwittingly acknowledge affirmations work. . . . . but working towards them believing they cannot be achievied is counter productive, no? Your beliefs counter one another. >On a scale that > ranges from not good to better how do you determine that you > have accomplished something? If you had accomplished it. . .even in part, you wouldn't ask that question. There are reasons for the precepts. . . what do *you * think they are? > > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the > same > > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking about > > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the things > > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are not > > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to provide > > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life empowers > > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is empowering > > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, but > as > > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your life is > > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply adopting > and > > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without standing > in > > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly > reaffirming > > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. > > I can only see this as a contradiction of your inital paragraphs. no, there is not a contradiction. How do you see it that way? > What is your real problem with the precepts? I have absolutely no problem with the precepts, i live by them (a similar version).. . just your interpretation of them. You sell them short not really knowing what they, put into practice, can accomplish. It was the precepts more than anything that drew me to reiki. . . .that others thought similar to myself about healing. Love is. . . > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:48:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.223.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1079394518 162.84.223.143 (Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:48:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:48:38 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14744 i have been trying to remember to apply the principles lately and i have had to change it from "just for today" to "just for this moment" because even a day is too long for me to try to keep anger and worry at bay. i'm not successful yet, but i am hoping each moment will become the next until a day passes and then a week and so on. "arthealer" wrote in message news:3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com... > > "pr" wrote in message > news:c2s6ap$6cm$3@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > > I have met this woman a couple of times (professionally). > > > > She asks "what enables you to cope with all the problems > > your customers throw at you?" I give an uncommital answer. > > Later I decide to tell her that what enables me to cope are > > the 5 reiki principles. She asks "what are those?" > > I start, "just for today, don't worry". She motions to me to stop > > for a moment, reaches for a notebook and a pen to write. > > "just for today, don't worry" > > "just for today, don't be angry" > > "just for today, be grateful" > > "just for today, work hard on yourself" > > "just for today, be kind to others" > > pr, i've asked before with vague answers in return (not from you > specifically). "Just for today, don't worry", how do *you* accomplish this? > . . .and what does that imply to you? Do you go through your day without > anger? . . .how do you accomplish this task? > > Love is. .. ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:43:51 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <405677c6.761906@news.Individual.NET> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka03a.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.0.106) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079408388 71607113 I 207.69.0.106 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka03a.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14747 On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:48:38 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >i have been trying to remember to apply the principles lately and i have had >to change it from "just for today" to "just for this moment" because even a >day is too long for me to try to keep anger and worry at bay. i'm not >successful yet, but i am hoping each moment will become the next until a day >passes and then a week and so on. Ginger, good instincts! All we ever really have is "this moment", so you're on the right track! Love and Light, Garry ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:36:09 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8o3e50ttt87fsjea12e6jvufbvfbdvlbs5@4ax.com> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-871.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.640 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!195.34.132.48.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.chello.at!newsfeed.utanet.at!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.glorb.com!wn51feed!worldnet.att.net!129.250.169.16!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14757 On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:48:38 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >i have been trying to remember to apply the principles lately and i have had >to change it from "just for today" to "just for this moment" because even a >day is too long for me to try to keep anger and worry at bay. i'm not >successful yet, but i am hoping each moment will become the next until a day >passes and then a week and so on. > Yeah, Ginger. It seems that that is how it is. Calmness and balance become more one's norm, even in the midst of demands and little crises. That's my experience from doing yoga meditation and from Reiki (incl precepts observance). Of course, none of us is perfect, least of all me. But one learns how to come back to balance more gracefully -- self-acceptance being part of it. IOW, 'just for today, don't worry that you worried'. Accept the fact that you got mad or worried or whatever, then remember the precepts, then regain your calm and balance. Believe me, it is not the same as, and *is* an improvement over, the period of your life when you did not have Reiki and the precepts. And hence you can afford some self-acceptance. MHO..................... montane ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:47:18 -0600 From: "GreG" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:47:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.249.171.121 X-Trace: sv3-ecGlCJ/cu4WDD0+dt6sLnM6vHcyAlESQZmMW6WDUjWUWvHsr+HMvuPr6eM7dsCOXrlNGhPtXaV4uWcF!mz4uqH6EV5dqJ0AYuhF8BQ2kDc+L4/WHUXPDTAldJygQVa2Ssq4hB0dRqypOT90q7800kzoJEtNv!SQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!feeder.enertel.nl!nntpfeed-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.karoo.co.uk!news.karoo.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14754 -- "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:qhr5c.9205$1g2.1529@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > i have been trying to remember to apply the principles lately and i have had > to change it from "just for today" to "just for this moment" because even a > day is too long for me to try to keep anger and worry at bay. i'm not > successful yet, but i am hoping each moment will become the next until a day > passes and then a week and so on. I like your style, think I will give that a try myself......thousand mile journey begins with the first step,and all that. Greg ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40571A9A.89D110E0@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:20:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1079450405 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:20:05 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:20:05 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsrout1.ntli.net!news.ntli.net!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14758 Well, I don't know about a thousand miles....on second thought I feel I have run that much already in the last year! My quest to complete a full marathon this year. It hurt like the blazes to run just a few minutes at a time late last summer...now I am running 20 miles each week and feeling better all the time. Will I be ready to do the marathon? Yes, and if not....so what? It's the running that counts. cheers Rich GreG wrote: > > -- > > "gingerobyn" wrote in message > news:qhr5c.9205$1g2.1529@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > > i have been trying to remember to apply the principles lately and i have > had > > to change it from "just for today" to "just for this moment" because even > a > > day is too long for me to try to keep anger and worry at bay. i'm not > > successful yet, but i am hoping each moment will become the next until a > day > > passes and then a week and so on. > > I like your style, think I will give that a try myself......thousand mile > journey begins with the first step,and all that. > Greg ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:38:55 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3see505vr9qchela80qglgunq29fnk4soj@4ax.com> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <40571A9A.89D110E0@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-885.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.640 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14760 On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:20:05 GMT, Rich wrote: >Well, I don't know about a thousand miles....on second thought I feel I >have run that much already in the last year! My quest to complete a full >marathon this year. It hurt like the blazes to run just a few minutes at >a time late last summer...now I am running 20 miles each week and >feeling better all the time. Congratulations, Rich! Namaste, montane ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <4057427D.F1D28E59@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <40571A9A.89D110E0@shaw.ca> <3see505vr9qchela80qglgunq29fnk4soj@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:10:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1079460616 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:10:16 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:10:16 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14761 Thanks, I was just gonna give myself Reiki and then enter the marathon.....and if it was for my greater good....... Nah, I better do the training! :) Sure like the idea of zipping around the lower mainland on a hot bike, though! Cheers Rich montane wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:20:05 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Well, I don't know about a thousand miles....on second thought I feel I > >have run that much already in the last year! My quest to complete a full > >marathon this year. It hurt like the blazes to run just a few minutes at > >a time late last summer...now I am running 20 miles each week and > >feeling better all the time. > > Congratulations, Rich! > > Namaste, > > montane ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:56:05 +0200 Lines: 147 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: dbn-dial-196-30-34-153.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 17 Mar 2004 09:52:30 +0200, dbn-dial-196-30-34-153.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!dbn-dial-196-30-34-153.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14779 "arthealer" wrote in message news:d611848e741e212c28cc549ca98133c0@news.teranews.com... > > "pr" wrote in message > news:40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > "arthealer" wrote in message > > news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* > to > > do > > > these things. > > > > This is absolutely wrong and only true because you do > > not work with the full text, as Garry pointed out weeks > > ago. It also says: > > In the morning and at night, > > with hands held in prayer, > > Think this in your mind, > > chant this with your mouth. > > The Usui Reiki Method > > to change your mind and body for the better > > Thanks for posting this affirmation/prayer. But my comment still holds true. You get the method shown to you and you still maintain that no methods are shown. Do I really have to point out to you that "In the morning and at might" might also mean "from morning to night"? And eventually even every moment of you life, whether you are awake or not? > > > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are > not > > > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your > > > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall > > short. > > > The above shows that the intention is "to change your mind and body > > for the better". How could it possibly fall short of this if it is applied > > with dilligence? > > pr, i didn't pull this out of thin air.. . . this is what you posted: > "The precepts are there, and we follow them, *not because they can be > achieved but because we can't.* > But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is > an opportunity to gain some insight into myself" The point of the precepts is to learn who you really are and not to be perfect according to some rules. If it makes you happy I will change the "because they can't be achieved" to "despite they can't be achieved". > > > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because > there > > > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains > > > *accomplishing* them. > > > > > No! The important thing is to work towards them. > > You unwittingly acknowledge affirmations work. . . . . > but working towards them believing they cannot be achievied is counter > productive, no? Use your brain to understand something instead of arguing about it. > Your beliefs counter one another. Only if you are incompetent in formulating affirmations. > >On a scale that > > ranges from not good to better how do you determine that you > > have accomplished something? > > If you had accomplished it. . .even in part, you wouldn't ask that question. > There are reasons for the precepts. . . what do *you * think they are? They say what they are there for: "to change your mind and body for the better". It does not say, "to achieve the perfection of body and mind." > > > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the > > same > > > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking > about > > > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the > things > > > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are not > > > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to provide > > > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life > empowers > > > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is > empowering > > > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, but > > as > > > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > > > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your life > is > > > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > > > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply adopting > > and > > > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without > standing > > in > > > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly > > reaffirming > > > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. > > > > I can only see this as a contradiction of your inital paragraphs. > > no, there is not a contradiction. How do you see it that way? > > > What is your real problem with the precepts? > > I have absolutely no problem with the precepts, i live by them (a similar > version).. . just your interpretation of them. You sell them short not > really knowing what they, put into practice, can accomplish. Because ou say we cannot achieve them my interpretation of the principles is wrong? Is that what you are saying? Reading the above I realized how much the principles are apart from you. "Each time you act out of", "we participate in ea. moment", "setting in motion these precepts", "The work is always within" all show that in your world there is a "you" and an "other", namely the precepts with the first three statements and an "inner" and an "outer" with the last one. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT Lines: 199 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!216.196.98.144.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed3.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14783 "pr" wrote in message news:405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "arthealer" wrote in message > news:d611848e741e212c28cc549ca98133c0@news.teranews.com... > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > > > "arthealer" wrote in message > > > news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > > > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* > > to > > > do > > > > these things. > > > > > > This is absolutely wrong and only true because you do > > > not work with the full text, as Garry pointed out weeks > > > ago. It also says: > > > In the morning and at night, > > > with hands held in prayer, > > > Think this in your mind, > > > chant this with your mouth. > > > The Usui Reiki Method > > > to change your mind and body for the better > > > > Thanks for posting this affirmation/prayer. But my comment still holds > true. > > You get the method shown to you and you still maintain > that no methods are shown. Do I really have to point out > to you that "In the morning and at might" might also mean > "from morning to night"? And eventually even every moment > of you life, whether you are awake or not? My friend, i can read:) . . .What i am saying is the precepts tell you *what* to do but not *how* to do it. If the how of it was so easy . . . anybody and every body would do it. > > > > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are > > not > > > > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your > > > > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall > > > short. > > > > > The above shows that the intention is "to change your mind and body > > > for the better". How could it possibly fall short of this if it is > applied > > > with dilligence? > > > > pr, i didn't pull this out of thin air.. . . this is what you posted: > > "The precepts are there, and we follow them, *not because they can be > > achieved but because we can't.* > > But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is > > an opportunity to gain some insight into myself" > > The point of the precepts is to learn who you really are > and not to be perfect according to some rules. > If it makes you happy I will change the "because they > can't be achieved" to "despite they can't be achieved". Again my friend you have missed my point. The operative word here is"can't" in both of your writiings. "they can't be achieved" or "despite they can't be achieved" The point is your belief that it is impossible to put them into action. > > > > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because > > there > > > > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains > > > > *accomplishing* them. > > > > > > > > No! The important thing is to work towards them. > > > > You unwittingly acknowledge affirmations work. . . . . > > but working towards them believing they cannot be achievied is counter > > productive, no? > > Use your brain to understand something instead of arguing about it. pr, i believe i have a point here. . . . you acknowledge that making commands work(like the precepts) but you believe that they cannot be achieved. . . so, you keep at bay what good you might get from them. > > Your beliefs counter one another. > > Only if you are incompetent in formulating affirmations. you don't have insult here. . . we are friends comming to terms with a concept. > > >On a scale that > > > ranges from not good to better how do you determine that you > > > have accomplished something? > > > > If you had accomplished it. . .even in part, you wouldn't ask that > question. > > There are reasons for the precepts. . . what do *you * think they are? > > They say what they are there for: "to change your mind and body > for the better". It does not say, "to achieve the perfection of > body and mind." Where are you comming up with this perfection stuff?? Show me please where i said that. > > > > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the > > > same > > > > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking > > about > > > > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the > > things > > > > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are > not > > > > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to > provide > > > > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life > > empowers > > > > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is > > empowering > > > > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, > but > > > as > > > > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > > > > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your > life > > is > > > > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > > > > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply > adopting > > > and > > > > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without > > standing > > > in > > > > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly > > > reaffirming > > > > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. > > > > > > I can only see this as a contradiction of your inital paragraphs. > > > > no, there is not a contradiction. How do you see it that way? > > > > > What is your real problem with the precepts? > > > > I have absolutely no problem with the precepts, i live by them (a similar > > version).. . just your interpretation of them. You sell them short not > > really knowing what they, put into practice, can accomplish. > > Because ou say we cannot achieve them my interpretation > of the principles is wrong? *no*. . .*you* say we can't achieve them!!!!! not me. .. .and the fact that you believe they are something impossible to do, keeps you from benefitting from them. >Is that what you are saying? > Reading the above I realized how much the principles are > apart from you. "Each time you act out of", "we participate > in ea. moment", "setting in motion these precepts", > "The work is always within" all show that in your world > there is a "you" and an "other", namely the precepts > with the first three statements and an "inner" and an > "outer" with the last one. > With all due respect. . . what the hell are you talking about? > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:19:15 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka32c.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.12.76) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079525707 73661427 I 207.69.12.76 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka32c.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14788 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >My friend, i can read:) . . .What i am saying is the precepts tell you >*what* to do but not *how* to do it. If the how of it was so easy . . . >anybody and every body would do it. Well, no. People are cussed fools because they want to be. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :-) And they *do* tell you how to do it. Read the full text, not just the 5 lines that are usually quoted. namaste, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <405852E8.43FC531@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:32:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1079530358 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:32:38 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:32:38 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14791 Garry, in workshops long ago, when we were presented with something like the precepts, we were invited to 'take what you get' from them. This was not to choose and select, but to work with them and take what you get. Next time you worked with them, they would appear different since you have taken some territory, so to speak. This should not be considered to be 'taking small steps' as you may also go backwards. So, looking at 'Stifle the anger!' (paraphrased) may also show up as expressing the anger before it builds to explosive levels, which seems a healthy response to anger. Cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > > > >My friend, i can read:) . . .What i am saying is the precepts tell you > >*what* to do but not *how* to do it. If the how of it was so easy . . . > >anybody and every body would do it. > > Well, no. People are cussed fools because they want to be. You can > lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :-) > > And they *do* tell you how to do it. Read the full text, not just the > 5 lines that are usually quoted. > > namaste, > > Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <8702a472c783115d6c7bc36d8df0cfcc@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:31:43 GMT Lines: 27 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.octanews.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14794 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET... > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > > > >My friend, i can read:) . . .What i am saying is the precepts tell you > >*what* to do but not *how* to do it. If the how of it was so easy . . . > >anybody and every body would do it. > > Well, no. People are cussed fools because they want to be. You can > lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :-) > > And they *do* tell you how to do it. Read the full text, not just the > 5 lines that are usually quoted. Where can i find the full text? love is. . > namaste, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <2f5f4352b04d984d2279f3756ed40dd6@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:39:12 GMT Lines: 49 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <405852E8.43FC531@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.octanews.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14795 "Rich" wrote in message news:405852E8.43FC531@shaw.ca... > > Garry, in workshops long ago, when we were presented with something like > the precepts, > we were invited to 'take what you get' from them. This was not to choose > and select, > but to work with them and take what you get. Next time you worked with > them, > they would appear different since you have taken some territory, so to > speak. > This should not be considered to be 'taking small steps' as you may also > go backwards. > So, looking at 'Stifle the anger!' (paraphrased) may also show up as > expressing the anger > before it builds to explosive levels, which seems a healthy response to > anger. i have to butt in and say that the healthy response to anger is to express it in it's "infancy". . . as pain and hurt. Anger tends to "use" people for it's own devices:) Love is. . . > Cheers > Rich > > Garry Williams wrote: > > > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >My friend, i can read:) . . .What i am saying is the precepts tell you > > >*what* to do but not *how* to do it. If the how of it was so easy . . . > > >anybody and every body would do it. > > > > Well, no. People are cussed fools because they want to be. You can > > lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :-) > > > > And they *do* tell you how to do it. Read the full text, not just the > > 5 lines that are usually quoted. > > > > namaste, > > > > Garry ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 184 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:59:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1079560782 65.33.138.54 (Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:59:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:59:42 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14810 If the Usui precepts were so powerful as some people wish to imply than why did they "NOT WORK" for Usui himself? > > In the morning and at night, > > with hands held in prayer, > > Think this in your mind, > > chant this with your mouth. > > The Usui Reiki Method > > to change your mind and body for the better...etc It seems to me as I read these postings that there are those among us that wish everyone to become Buddhist or something and that being a follower of those beliefs will enhance the Reiki moreso than any other belief system. Now I am not against any form of teachings that do not attempt to control or manipulate others and that do not advocate violence against others but I am against any that claim their way is better in any manner than all the rest. Reiki works equally well regardless of any spiritual or religious belief system held by the user. It even works for those who claim they do not believe in anything. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "pr" wrote in message news:405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "arthealer" wrote in message > news:d611848e741e212c28cc549ca98133c0@news.teranews.com... > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > > > "arthealer" wrote in message > > > news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > > > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show *how* > > to > > > do > > > > these things. > > > > > > This is absolutely wrong and only true because you do > > > not work with the full text, as Garry pointed out weeks > > > ago. It also says: > > > In the morning and at night, > > > with hands held in prayer, > > > Think this in your mind, > > > chant this with your mouth. > > > The Usui Reiki Method > > > to change your mind and body for the better > > > > Thanks for posting this affirmation/prayer. But my comment still holds > true. > > You get the method shown to you and you still maintain > that no methods are shown. Do I really have to point out > to you that "In the morning and at might" might also mean > "from morning to night"? And eventually even every moment > of you life, whether you are awake or not? > > > > > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals are > > not > > > > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because your > > > > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also fall > > > short. > > > > > The above shows that the intention is "to change your mind and body > > > for the better". How could it possibly fall short of this if it is > applied > > > with dilligence? > > > > pr, i didn't pull this out of thin air.. . . this is what you posted: > > "The precepts are there, and we follow them, *not because they can be > > achieved but because we can't.* > > But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is > > an opportunity to gain some insight into myself" > > The point of the precepts is to learn who you really are > and not to be perfect according to some rules. > If it makes you happy I will change the "because they > can't be achieved" to "despite they can't be achieved". > > > > > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because > > there > > > > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing remains > > > > *accomplishing* them. > > > > > > > > No! The important thing is to work towards them. > > > > You unwittingly acknowledge affirmations work. . . . . > > but working towards them believing they cannot be achievied is counter > > productive, no? > > Use your brain to understand something instead of arguing about it. > > > Your beliefs counter one another. > > Only if you are incompetent in formulating affirmations. > > > >On a scale that > > > ranges from not good to better how do you determine that you > > > have accomplished something? > > > > If you had accomplished it. . .even in part, you wouldn't ask that > question. > > There are reasons for the precepts. . . what do *you * think they are? > > They say what they are there for: "to change your mind and body > for the better". It does not say, "to achieve the perfection of > body and mind." > > > > > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, the > > > same > > > > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking > > about > > > > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the > > things > > > > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are > not > > > > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to > provide > > > > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life > > empowers > > > > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is > > empowering > > > > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, > but > > > as > > > > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > > > > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your > life > > is > > > > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > > > > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply > adopting > > > and > > > > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without > > standing > > > in > > > > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly > > > reaffirming > > > > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. > > > > > > I can only see this as a contradiction of your inital paragraphs. > > > > no, there is not a contradiction. How do you see it that way? > > > > > What is your real problem with the precepts? > > > > I have absolutely no problem with the precepts, i live by them (a similar > > version).. . just your interpretation of them. You sell them short not > > really knowing what they, put into practice, can accomplish. > > Because ou say we cannot achieve them my interpretation > of the principles is wrong? Is that what you are saying? > Reading the above I realized how much the principles are > apart from you. "Each time you act out of", "we participate > in ea. moment", "setting in motion these precepts", > "The work is always within" all show that in your world > there is a "you" and an "other", namely the precepts > with the first three statements and an "inner" and an > "outer" with the last one. > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > ###### From: gaotanma@india.com (Garry) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: 17 Mar 2004 15:24:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <8702a472c783115d6c7bc36d8df0cfcc@news.teranews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.97.129.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1079565884 12375 127.0.0.1 (17 Mar 2004 23:24:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14811 "arthealer" wrote in message news:<8702a472c783115d6c7bc36d8df0cfcc@news.teranews.com>... > > Where can i find the full text? http://tinyurl.com/28mnf Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:47:48 GMT Lines: 207 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14812 "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:iT36c.275892$jH.3546370@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > If the Usui precepts were so powerful as some people wish to imply than why > did they > "NOT WORK" for Usui himself? And was he suppose to live forever? i guess when it's your time, it's your time. i don't think longevity is the benchmark of a happier life. > > > In the morning and at night, > > > with hands held in prayer, > > > Think this in your mind, > > > chant this with your mouth. > > > The Usui Reiki Method > > > to change your mind and body for the better...etc > > > It seems to me as I read these postings that there are those among us that > wish everyone to become Buddhist or something and that being a follower of > those beliefs will enhance the Reiki moreso than any other belief system. > Now I am not against any form of teachings that do not attempt to control or > manipulate others and that do not advocate violence against others but I am > against any that claim their way is better in any manner than all the rest. > > Reiki works equally well regardless of any spiritual or religious belief > system held by the user. > It even works for those who claim they do not believe in anything. i keep hearing that here and i wonder how one directs healing energy to others that does not or cannot participate in the five commandments. love is. . . > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "pr" wrote in message > news:405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > "arthealer" wrote in message > > news:d611848e741e212c28cc549ca98133c0@news.teranews.com... > > > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > > news:40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > > > > > "arthealer" wrote in message > > > > news:6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com... > > > > > > > The principals can bring forth how life could be but do not show > *how* > > > to > > > > do > > > > > these things. > > > > > > > > This is absolutely wrong and only true because you do > > > > not work with the full text, as Garry pointed out weeks > > > > ago. It also says: > > > > In the morning and at night, > > > > with hands held in prayer, > > > > Think this in your mind, > > > > chant this with your mouth. > > > > The Usui Reiki Method > > > > to change your mind and body for the better > > > > > > Thanks for posting this affirmation/prayer. But my comment still holds > > true. > > > > You get the method shown to you and you still maintain > > that no methods are shown. Do I really have to point out > > to you that "In the morning and at might" might also mean > > "from morning to night"? And eventually even every moment > > of you life, whether you are awake or not? > > > > > > > i think most people, including yourself, feel that the principals > are > > > not > > > > > really achievable but rather a path to follow. . . . and because > your > > > > > intention falls short of what is possible, the outcome will also > fall > > > > short. > > > > > > > The above shows that the intention is "to change your mind and body > > > > for the better". How could it possibly fall short of this if it is > > applied > > > > with dilligence? > > > > > > pr, i didn't pull this out of thin air.. . . this is what you posted: > > > "The precepts are there, and we follow them, *not because they can be > > > achieved but because we can't.* > > > But every time I fail, and I realize I failed, there is > > > an opportunity to gain some insight into myself" > > > > The point of the precepts is to learn who you really are > > and not to be perfect according to some rules. > > If it makes you happy I will change the "because they > > can't be achieved" to "despite they can't be achieved". > > > > > > > There is no description of *how* to accomplish these things because > > > there > > > > > are as many ways as there are people, but the important thing > remains > > > > > *accomplishing* them. > > > > > > > > > > > No! The important thing is to work towards them. > > > > > > You unwittingly acknowledge affirmations work. . . . . > > > but working towards them believing they cannot be achievied is counter > > > productive, no? > > > > Use your brain to understand something instead of arguing about it. > > > > > Your beliefs counter one another. > > > > Only if you are incompetent in formulating affirmations. > > > > > >On a scale that > > > > ranges from not good to better how do you determine that you > > > > have accomplished something? > > > > > > If you had accomplished it. . .even in part, you wouldn't ask that > > question. > > > There are reasons for the precepts. . . what do *you * think they are? > > > > They say what they are there for: "to change your mind and body > > for the better". It does not say, "to achieve the perfection of > > body and mind." > > > > > > > Each time you act out of these five principals you set up a cycle, > the > > > > same > > > > > as you do when you don't act out of them. What we are really talking > > > about > > > > > here is establishing new patterns, habits. We are talking about the > > > things > > > > > we participate in ea. moment. . . . because they effect us. They are > > not > > > > > just social graces. . . they establish a trust in life itself to > > provide > > > > > only the most beneficial of circumstances for you. Trusting life > > > empowers > > > > > one, "Just for today don't worry". Letting go of ones pain is > > > empowering > > > > > ,"Just for today don't be angry". Believing you are not only worthy, > > but > > > > as > > > > > the smallest creature has it's needs met, so do you, is extremely > > > > > empowering. "Just for today be grateful". Loving yourself and your > > life > > > is > > > > > extremely empowering, "just for today be kind to others". > > > > > Lives are transformed in an instant and effortlessly by simply > > adopting > > > > and > > > > > setting in motion these precepts. Keeping them in motion without > > > standing > > > > in > > > > > your own way is the trick, but you learn by doing and constantly > > > > reaffirming > > > > > (an affirmation) them in your new life. The work is always within. > > > > > > > > I can only see this as a contradiction of your inital paragraphs. > > > > > > no, there is not a contradiction. How do you see it that way? > > > > > > > What is your real problem with the precepts? > > > > > > I have absolutely no problem with the precepts, i live by them (a > similar > > > version).. . just your interpretation of them. You sell them short not > > > really knowing what they, put into practice, can accomplish. > > > > Because ou say we cannot achieve them my interpretation > > of the principles is wrong? Is that what you are saying? > > Reading the above I realized how much the principles are > > apart from you. "Each time you act out of", "we participate > > in ea. moment", "setting in motion these precepts", > > "The work is always within" all show that in your world > > there is a "you" and an "other", namely the precepts > > with the first three statements and an "inner" and an > > "outer" with the last one. > > > > -- > > Namu Amida Butsu > > Peter Reber > > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:13:03 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: <405903f6.1176859@news.Individual.NET> References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <405852E8.43FC531@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka8gk.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.34.20) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079575732 72427579 I 207.69.34.20 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka8gk.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14814 Hi Rich! On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:32:38 GMT, Rich wrote: > >Garry, in workshops long ago, when we were presented with something like >the precepts, >we were invited to 'take what you get' from them. This was not to choose >and select, >but to work with them and take what you get. Next time you worked with >them, >they would appear different since you have taken some territory, so to >speak. >This should not be considered to be 'taking small steps' as you may also >go backwards. Take what you get from them. That's all we really can do at any given moment, right? :-) But I understand what you mean about not taking that to mean as taking incremental, mono-directional steps. >So, looking at 'Stifle the anger!' (paraphrased) may also show up as >expressing the anger >before it builds to explosive levels, which seems a healthy response to >anger. That particular paraphrase bothers me a bit, as it sounds like a formula for trouble. But yes, there are many ways to skin a cat. I currently think of that particular precept as 'let go of...' because it currently makes the most sense to me. If I step back and take a hard look at the anger, and don't see how it can benefit me, I release my attachment to it rather than expressing it, moving through it, etc. Am I building a time bomb? I don't feel like it, but some would tell me I am. I guess that comes from everyone being at different places in relation to the concept. namaste, Garry ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:33:33 GMT Lines: 45 Message-ID: <40590653.1781289@news.Individual.NET> References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka8gk.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.34.20) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079576962 73283684 I 207.69.34.20 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka8gk.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14815 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:59:42 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >If the Usui precepts were so powerful as some people wish to imply than why >did they >"NOT WORK" for Usui himself? Interesting comment, Joseph. Can you elaborate a little, please? >It seems to me as I read these postings that there are those among us that >wish everyone to become Buddhist or something and that being a follower of >those beliefs will enhance the Reiki moreso than any other belief system. Why do you feel that way? You might pick that up from Peter R (although I really don't think I've seen him proselytizing), but I can't recall anyone else having pushed Buddhism. Also, I don't think the Reiki Precepts are out of line with the spiritual teachings of most mainstream religions. Are they foreign to your personal beliefs? >Now I am not against any form of teachings that do not attempt to control or >manipulate others and that do not advocate violence against others but I am >against any that claim their way is better in any manner than all the rest. Okay, I'm good with that. Has anyone claimed that about Reiki? I think we all know how the "my Reiki is better than your Reiki" stories always turn out. But I don't recall anyone making any claims about the Reiki Precepts being better than other spiritual practices. Perhaps you could point me towards an example of such a claim? >Reiki works equally well regardless of any spiritual or religious belief >system held by the user. >It even works for those who claim they do not believe in anything. Are we mixing apples and oranges, ie, the spiritual side of Reiki that Usui may have taught, but is mostly forgotten here in the West, as opposed to the hands on healing part of Reiki, which is alive and well here in the West, although done a bit differently than in Japan? I think it is fair to say that one can practice either or both aspects, and without confusing one with the other, and that both parts can have validity, and neither part need conflict with the other nor with one's religious beliefs. Or how do you see it? Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40592A49.EA302242@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <405852E8.43FC531@shaw.ca> <405903f6.1176859@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:51:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1079585498 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:51:38 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:51:38 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14817 Perfect. And given that anger is sometimes the opposite of sadness, allowing yourself to express it also may uncover the source of the sadness, which is an opportunity for more healing, etc. The main idea is that we develop a relationship with our anger that doesn't start to add more stress...as for example, "I am bad and wrong for being angry. I shouldn't be angry. Angry people are...etc., etc." And 'owning' the anger allows you to deal with it as yours and not have to dump it on others. I can be angry with you and not get any on you if I take ownership. How? Communication. Cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > Hi Rich! > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:32:38 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > >Garry, in workshops long ago, when we were presented with something like > >the precepts, > >we were invited to 'take what you get' from them. This was not to choose > >and select, > >but to work with them and take what you get. Next time you worked with > >them, > >they would appear different since you have taken some territory, so to > >speak. > >This should not be considered to be 'taking small steps' as you may also > >go backwards. > > Take what you get from them. That's all we really can do at any given > moment, right? :-) But I understand what you mean about not > taking that to mean as taking incremental, mono-directional steps. > > >So, looking at 'Stifle the anger!' (paraphrased) may also show up as > >expressing the anger > >before it builds to explosive levels, which seems a healthy response to > >anger. > > That particular paraphrase bothers me a bit, as it sounds like a > formula for trouble. But yes, there are many ways to skin a cat. I > currently think of that particular precept as 'let go of...' because > it currently makes the most sense to me. If I step back and take a > hard look at the anger, and don't see how it can benefit me, I release > my attachment to it rather than expressing it, moving through it, etc. > Am I building a time bomb? I don't feel like it, but some would tell > me I am. I guess that comes from everyone being at different places in > relation to the concept. > > namaste, > > Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40592C02.61A4A4B1@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:58:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1079585939 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:58:59 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:58:59 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14818 arthealer wrote: > > "ShadowWolf" wrote in message > news:iT36c.275892$jH.3546370@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > > If the Usui precepts were so powerful as some people wish to imply than > why > > did they > > "NOT WORK" for Usui himself? > > And was he suppose to live forever? i guess when it's your time, it's your > time. i don't think longevity is the benchmark of a happier life. > When my father passed away due to illnesses which included cancer, he was at peace and his last words were, "I am going to see my wife." She had passed away many years before him. It was like he had finished what he needed to do here and now wanted to be with her. Cheers Rich ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:28:02 +0200 Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: dbn-dial-196-30-34-77.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <4059ad84.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 18 Mar 2004 16:09:08 +0200, dbn-dial-196-30-34-77.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!dbn-dial-196-30-34-77.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14832 "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:iT36c.275892$jH.3546370@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > It seems to me as I read these postings that there are those among us that > wish everyone to become Buddhist or something and that being a follower of > those beliefs will enhance the Reiki moreso than any other belief system. > Now I am not against any form of teachings that do not attempt to control or > manipulate others and that do not advocate violence against others but I am > against any that claim their way is better in any manner than all the rest. We all express ourselves in the way we feel is natural and whatever our beliefs are will color everything else. It is obviously impossible to speak about something in a way that is satisfactory and useful to every single person who hears it. However, it is not impossible for me to take even jarring statements and see what I can make of them. Last night I was talking to a guy about the principles. He listened enthusiastically and when somebody else joined us *he* started explaining them to the newcomer, and very well too! This morning he walks into the breakfeast room and says joyfully to me: "just for today I will not be angry", then he sits down for breakfeast, and prays before he eats, as it is the custom in many Christian households and so I know he is a Christian (also from a question the previous night). > Reiki works equally well regardless of any spiritual or religious belief > system held by the user. > It even works for those who claim they do not believe in anything. In all the above there is no problem. The principles are human principles and not Buddhist, Christian, Islamic or Jewish ones. Last night they created a platform which enabled us to talk about living as human beings, they established the fundamental structure of our relationship, one where we could listen to each other rather than argue and fight. And that is why they will even work for the ones who do not even belief in the principles, if they would only apply them. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:42:48 GMT Lines: 84 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14826 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET... > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > > > >My friend, i can read:) . . .What i am saying is the precepts tell you > >*what* to do but not *how* to do it. If the how of it was so easy . . . > >anybody and every body would do it. > > Well, no. People are cussed fools because they want to be. You can > lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :-) > > And they *do* tell you how to do it. Read the full text, not just the > 5 lines that are usually quoted. The wonderful medicine for all diseases Just for today Don't get angry Don't worry Be grateful Word hard on yourself Be kind to others Mornings and evenings, sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud and in your heart. For the improvement of body and soul, Usui Reiki Ryoho. The founder, Mikao Usui Thanks garry for pointing me at them but i still believe i have a point here. When someone says "don't get angry" it is kind of like saying, "don't smoke cigarettes".. . . .it tells what to do but not *how* to do it and there is a bunch of ground between knowing it isn't good for you and knowing you need to stop . .and stopping. "Don't get angry". . . oh, ok. . .now put that into practice. . . . where is the *how*?? Do you see what i am driving at? From the varied reactions here about them and the disbelief that they can actually be put into practice all the time . . . . i think it is because the practical application of them is difficult for people and perhaps the *how* of it is the downfall.. . . . or is it just the disbelief or maybe simply the misunderstanding of the importance of them? i am digging for reasons that people won't or can't. And maybe it is as simple as you say, "you can lead a horse to water. . . . . .. ." i look at the precepts as commands to self. .. .affirmations, because i use variations and expanded versions of same with great success and i am here to say that this does work. i think it is important to note that enough emphasis couldn't be placed on how often these excercizes should be done. . . ..because they are about changing years of programming and habit. Really, why do you think people make statements like, "The precepts are there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we can't." or, "The five precepts are not some magical formular to cure oneself.They are certainly good principles to adher to when possible but they are far from the only such principals found in many cultures. Living with them as a guide (which is all anyone can do) may well releive some stress from life and the reduction of stress is always helpful." To me, this downplays the importance of the precepts. Did you read what rich posted from: "The Spirit of Reiki", by Walter Lubeck, FrankPetter, and William Rand? What the hell is that about? These guys are authorities?? i want them here to say what i have to say to them!!! Spreading missinformation like that should be illegal:) i get really frustrated with people concerning their nonchalant attitude about this* incredibly important *aspect of reiki because it is the part i believe in and am attracted to and *know* works from experience. It changed my life and *turns disease around.* It empowers me daily and i want others to be able to have this incredibaly life changing experience too. it is so damn simple. . .it costs nothing (except your willingness to give up highly prized misconceptions about how the world works) and it does work. (steps down off soap box exhausted and out of breath). Love is . . .. . having friends of like mind to deflate with. . . . . ps. my spell check is on the blink and i'm too lazy to take this to another program to correct it . . . so good luck. . . > namaste, > > Garry > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <4059D4B8.D6646977@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <405852E8.43FC531@shaw.ca> <405903f6.1176859@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:58:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1079629128 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:58:48 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:58:48 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14839 Garry Williams wrote: > > >So, looking at 'Stifle the anger!' (paraphrased) may also show up as > >expressing the anger > >before it builds to explosive levels, which seems a healthy response to > >anger. > > That particular paraphrase bothers me a bit, as it sounds like a > formula for trouble. Oops! I should have made it clear that "Stifle' was just the word I used to show how some folks interpret "do not be angry'. Stifling is a no-no! 'Learning to cope' is another dangerous way of being, regarding anger. It sounds like stifling. But yes, there are many ways to skin a cat. I > currently think of that particular precept as 'let go of...' because > it currently makes the most sense to me. If I step back and take a > hard look at the anger, and don't see how it can benefit me, I release > my attachment to it rather than expressing it, moving through it, etc. > Am I building a time bomb? I don't feel like it, but some would tell > me I am. I guess that comes from everyone being at different places in > relation to the concept. > > namaste, > > Garry Quote, "The composer Stravinsky had written a new piece with a difficult violin passage. After it had been in rehearsal for several weeks, the solo violinist came to Stravinsky and said he was sorry, he had tried his best, the passage was too difficult, no violinist could play it. Stravinsky said, "I understand that. What I am after is the sound of someone TRYING to play it." ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:07:17 +0200 Lines: 90 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: dbn-dial-196-30-36-55.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <405ab1ce.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 19 Mar 2004 10:39:42 +0200, dbn-dial-196-30-36-55.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!dbn-dial-196-30-36-55.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14854 "arthealer" wrote in message news:6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com... > > "Garry Williams" wrote in message > news:40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET... > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" > Mornings and evenings, sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud > and in your heart. > > For the improvement of body and soul, Usui Reiki Ryoho. > > The founder, Mikao Usui > > Thanks garry for pointing me at them but i still believe i have a point > here. You mean everything that was written so far has run off like water off a ducks back? >When someone says "don't get angry" it is kind of like saying, "don't > smoke cigarettes".. . . .it tells what to do but not *how* to do it You mean "repeat these words out loud and in your heart" is not clear enough for you? How many cigarettes could you smoke while saying these words out loud? > there is a bunch of ground between knowing it isn't good for you and knowing > you need to stop . .and stopping. "Don't get angry". . . oh, ok. . .now put > that into practice. . . . where is the *how*?? To "repeat out loud and *with your heart*" IS stopping it. [snip..] > i look at the precepts as commands to self. .. .affirmations, because i use > variations and expanded versions of same with great success and i am here to > say that this does work. What I don't understand then is why you don't just post what works for you? Why argue about the precepts and how other people use it? Why tell everybody that they are assholes and don't understand the precepts? Why attack people who are well-know and respected by many and call them deceptive, dishonest and frauds? >i think it is important to note that enough > emphasis couldn't be placed on how often these excercizes should be done. . Then why don't you? You go on for many posts about nobody saying *how* to achieve a result. Why not say repeat the precepts 1000 times a day, or 10000 times. > . ..because they are about changing years of programming and habit. > Really, why do you think people make statements like, "The precepts are > there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we > can't." or, "The five precepts are not some magical formular to cure > oneself.They are certainly good principles to adher to when possible but > they are far from the only such principals found in many cultures. You write yourself that you have many variations, so what is wrong if other cultures have their own? > To me, this downplays the importance of the precepts. Did you read what rich > posted from: "The Spirit of Reiki", by Walter Lubeck, FrankPetter, and > William Rand? > What the hell is that about? These guys are authorities?? i want them here > to say what i have to say to them!!! I am sure you can send them some e-mails or contact them via a web site. Why should they come her? > i get really frustrated Add to the precepts "Just for today, I will not get frustrated" -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:01:34 GMT Lines: 137 Message-ID: <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka1nq.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.6.250) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079661441 73546290 I 207.69.6.250 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka1nq.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14842 On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:42:48 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >Thanks garry for pointing me at them but i still believe i have a point >here. When someone says "don't get angry" it is kind of like saying, "don't >smoke cigarettes".. . . .it tells what to do but not *how* to do it and >there is a bunch of ground between knowing it isn't good for you and knowing >you need to stop . .and stopping. "Don't get angry". . . oh, ok. . .now put >that into practice. . . . where is the *how*?? Ah! I was thinking about the part at the end, where Usui tells us to repeat the precepts morning and night. I see what you are getting at now, Kevin. I was told that the way the precepts are stated in Japanese, because of some linguistic quirk that Japanese has and English doesn't, the "don't get angry" and "don't worry" part are actually expressed as a positives. (I don't speak, read or write the language, so don't quote me as an authority) It's almost always easier to see how to "do" something than to see how to "not do" something, seems to me. Or maybe not. :-) I currently express those two statements as "let go of..." because that's something that I understand how to do. Anyways, I think the problem in this particular instance is one of translation. Translation is never easy even between closely related languages, much less two languages (and cultures) as different as Japanese and the English speaking countries. And Peter R on one occasion remarked about how he didn't like the usual German language versions of the precepts, so obviously we don't have a monopoly on bad translations. :-) On one of the mailing lists I'm on, one person (George Mullen) remarked that: "I was taught that the meaning of "ikaru- "na shinpaisu-na" was one of unconditionality: being in a mindful "state of not-anger and not-worry. Onuki explained this as lack of "concern over either the outcome of our own actions (=worry-not) or "how the actions of others affect us (=anger-not)." I guess my point here is that one has to figure out for himself how to pry the succulent concept oyster out of the shell of bad translation. Perhaps that's too much effort for some folks to make? >Do you see what i am driving at? From the varied reactions here about them >and the disbelief that they can actually be put into practice all the time . >. . . i think it is because the practical application of them is difficult >for people and perhaps the *how* of it is the downfall.. . . . or is it just >the disbelief or maybe simply the misunderstanding of the importance of >them? i am digging for reasons that people won't or can't. And maybe it is >as simple as you say, "you can lead a horse to water. . . . . .. ." As you know, everyone has differing opinions on any given subject. And, of course, opinions are like buttholes--everyone's got one and no one wants to smell anyone else's. It could be as simple as people are just not *interested* in the approach that Usui tried to pass down to us, because theirs smells better to them. ;-) Me, I'm not worried. I offer the precepts and if they take them, fine, and if they don't, that's fine too. >i look at the precepts as commands to self. .. .affirmations, because i use >variations and expanded versions of same with great success and i am here to >say that this does work. i think it is important to note that enough >emphasis couldn't be placed on how often these excercizes should be done. . That's why Usui said to say them out loud and to yourself morning and night. People usually don't even get to hear that part, nevermind hear and explanation of why the repetition is needed. >. ..because they are about changing years of programming and habit. We have a bingo! >Really, why do you think people make statements like, "The precepts are >there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we >can't." In this case you have to consider the source. The author of this one said that, if you like, you can change the word "because" to "despite". Now, in my mind, and possibly yours, as well, I don't typically think of those two expressions as interchangeable. But you're expected to divine the correct interpretation, anyways, regardless of the actual words used. >or, "The five precepts are not some magical formular to cure >oneself.They are certainly good principles to adher to when possible but >they are far from the only such principals found in many cultures. >Living with them as a guide (which is all anyone can do) may well releive >some stress from life and the reduction of stress is always helpful." Again, you have to consider the source. I think this is one of those cases where the interest in this aspect of Reiki is just not there in this individual. His experience of life has lead him in a different direction. Horses, water, etc. >To me, this downplays the importance of the precepts. Did you read what rich >posted from: "The Spirit of Reiki", by Walter Lubeck, FrankPetter, and >William Rand? >What the hell is that about? These guys are authorities?? i want them here Well, Rich may have quoted them, but I don't recall him saying they are High Authorities or anything like that. They just said something that Rich thought he could use to express what he was trying to get across. BTW, if you want my personal opinion of those 3, well, let me just say, if I'm looking to part with hard-earned cash, I know who's willing to take my money. But if I'm interested in words of wisdom, I'll most likely seek elsewhere. > i get really frustrated with people concerning their >nonchalant attitude about this* incredibly important *aspect of reiki >because it is the part i believe in and am attracted to and *know* works >from experience. It changed my life and *turns disease around.* It empowers >me daily and i want others to be able to have this incredibaly life changing >experience too. it is so damn simple. . .it costs nothing (except your >willingness to give up highly prized misconceptions about how the world >works) and it does work. >(steps down off soap box exhausted and out of breath). It's enough to know it works for you. By being an example to those around you, those who can accept the message will be attracted to you. Those who are not ready for this message will not. Be grateful. :-) >Love is . . .. . having friends of like mind to deflate with. . . . . Always a pleasure! Love and Light, Garry >ps. my spell check is on the blink and i'm too lazy to take this to another >program to correct it . . . so good luck. . . Hah! I don't think I "missed anything in translation". ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <405A7619.CD7170D@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 146 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:27:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1079670443 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:27:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:27:23 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14847 Hey, Garry's on a roll! Just spent some time perusing my Reiki books and doing a bit of scouring the web. Now, the experts need to correct me but it appears that Usui added the precepts much later, after he had gone around healing folks for some time. He wanted to add a spiritual touch to his work. How does that relate to the precepts being the 'cornerstone' of Reiki? cheers Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:42:48 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >Thanks garry for pointing me at them but i still believe i have a point > >here. When someone says "don't get angry" it is kind of like saying, "don't > >smoke cigarettes".. . . .it tells what to do but not *how* to do it and > >there is a bunch of ground between knowing it isn't good for you and knowing > >you need to stop . .and stopping. "Don't get angry". . . oh, ok. . .now put > >that into practice. . . . where is the *how*?? > > Ah! I was thinking about the part at the end, where Usui tells us to > repeat the precepts morning and night. I see what you are getting at > now, Kevin. > > I was told that the way the precepts are stated in Japanese, because > of some linguistic quirk that Japanese has and English doesn't, the > "don't get angry" and "don't worry" part are actually expressed as a > positives. (I don't speak, read or write the language, so don't quote > me as an authority) It's almost always easier to see how to "do" > something than to see how to "not do" something, seems to me. Or maybe > not. :-) I currently express those two statements as "let go of..." > because that's something that I understand how to do. Anyways, I think > the problem in this particular instance is one of translation. > Translation is never easy even between closely related languages, much > less two languages (and cultures) as different as Japanese and the > English speaking countries. And Peter R on one occasion remarked about > how he didn't like the usual German language versions of the precepts, > so obviously we don't have a monopoly on bad translations. :-) > > On one of the mailing lists I'm on, one person (George Mullen) > remarked that: > > "I was taught that the meaning of "ikaru- > "na shinpaisu-na" was one of unconditionality: being in a mindful > "state of not-anger and not-worry. Onuki explained this as lack of > "concern over either the outcome of our own actions (=worry-not) or > "how the actions of others affect us (=anger-not)." > > I guess my point here is that one has to figure out for himself how to > pry the succulent concept oyster out of the shell of bad translation. > Perhaps that's too much effort for some folks to make? > > >Do you see what i am driving at? From the varied reactions here about them > >and the disbelief that they can actually be put into practice all the time . > >. . . i think it is because the practical application of them is difficult > >for people and perhaps the *how* of it is the downfall.. . . . or is it just > >the disbelief or maybe simply the misunderstanding of the importance of > >them? i am digging for reasons that people won't or can't. And maybe it is > >as simple as you say, "you can lead a horse to water. . . . . .. ." > > As you know, everyone has differing opinions on any given subject. > And, of course, opinions are like buttholes--everyone's got one and no > one wants to smell anyone else's. It could be as simple as people are > just not *interested* in the approach that Usui tried to pass down to > us, because theirs smells better to them. ;-) > > Me, I'm not worried. I offer the precepts and if they take them, fine, > and if they don't, that's fine too. > > >i look at the precepts as commands to self. .. .affirmations, because i use > >variations and expanded versions of same with great success and i am here to > >say that this does work. i think it is important to note that enough > >emphasis couldn't be placed on how often these excercizes should be done. . > > That's why Usui said to say them out loud and to yourself morning and > night. People usually don't even get to hear that part, nevermind hear > and explanation of why the repetition is needed. > > >. ..because they are about changing years of programming and habit. > > We have a bingo! > > >Really, why do you think people make statements like, "The precepts are > >there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we > >can't." > > In this case you have to consider the source. The author of this one > said that, if you like, you can change the word "because" to > "despite". Now, in my mind, and possibly yours, as well, I don't > typically think of those two expressions as interchangeable. But > you're expected to divine the correct interpretation, anyways, > regardless of the actual words used. > > >or, "The five precepts are not some magical formular to cure > >oneself.They are certainly good principles to adher to when possible but > >they are far from the only such principals found in many cultures. > >Living with them as a guide (which is all anyone can do) may well releive > >some stress from life and the reduction of stress is always helpful." > > Again, you have to consider the source. I think this is one of those > cases where the interest in this aspect of Reiki is just not there in > this individual. His experience of life has lead him in a different > direction. Horses, water, etc. > > >To me, this downplays the importance of the precepts. Did you read what rich > >posted from: "The Spirit of Reiki", by Walter Lubeck, FrankPetter, and > >William Rand? > >What the hell is that about? These guys are authorities?? i want them here > > Well, Rich may have quoted them, but I don't recall him saying they > are High Authorities or anything like that. They just said something > that Rich thought he could use to express what he was trying to get > across. > > BTW, if you want my personal opinion of those 3, well, let me just > say, if I'm looking to part with hard-earned cash, I know who's > willing to take my money. But if I'm interested in words of wisdom, > I'll most likely seek elsewhere. > > > i get really frustrated with people concerning their > >nonchalant attitude about this* incredibly important *aspect of reiki > >because it is the part i believe in and am attracted to and *know* works > >from experience. It changed my life and *turns disease around.* It empowers > >me daily and i want others to be able to have this incredibaly life changing > >experience too. it is so damn simple. . .it costs nothing (except your > >willingness to give up highly prized misconceptions about how the world > >works) and it does work. > >(steps down off soap box exhausted and out of breath). > > It's enough to know it works for you. By being an example to those > around you, those who can accept the message will be attracted to you. > Those who are not ready for this message will not. Be grateful. :-) > > >Love is . . .. . having friends of like mind to deflate with. . . . . > > Always a pleasure! > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > >ps. my spell check is on the blink and i'm too lazy to take this to another > >program to correct it . . . so good luck. . . > > Hah! I don't think I "missed anything in translation". ###### From: "Rena" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:45:08 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-145-254-188-050.arcor-ip.net (145.254.188.50) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079679700 74664427 I 145.254.188.50 ([11005]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-145-254-188-050.arcor-ip.NET!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14848 "Garry Williams" schrieb: > the problem in this particular instance is one of translation. > Translation is never easy even between closely related languages, much > less two languages (and cultures) as different as Japanese and the > English speaking countries. And Peter R on one occasion remarked about > how he didn't like the usual German language versions of the precepts, > so obviously we don't have a monopoly on bad translations. :-) Hallo lieber Gärry, ich denke, das "Geheimnis" ist einfach: Die Vibration und die geneigte Motivations zu fühlen, für den Text, der dort eventuell in einer anderen Sprache steht. Das Fühlen von Liebe, Freude, Hass und Schmerz usw. tun alle gleich, egal welche Sprache gesprochen/ geschrieben wird. > Hah! I don't think I "missed anything in translation". Yes. :-) Mögen kulturelle Unterschiede die Brücken zur allseitigen, herzlichen Verständigung sein! Alles Liebe, Rena ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> <405A7619.CD7170D@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:29:04 -0000 Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-225-8-199.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <405aaf4d_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 19 Mar 2004 08:29:01 GMT, ppp-225-8-199.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!194.159.246.34.MISMATCH!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!ppp-225-8-199.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14852 Dear Rich, Don't believe everything you read! ;-) Usui didn't want to 'add a spiritual touch to his work' because what he was teaching was a spiritual path, not a healing system. Working on others wasn't emphasised or focused on at all until the Imperial Officers came along wanting to be taught a hands-on healing system. The precepts are Usui Sensei rewording of precepts that come from a Tendai Sect of Shugendo with which he had contact, dating back to the 9th century, according to the surviving students who are in contact with Chris Marsh. It seems that as much spiritual development was possible through following the precepts as was possible through doing the energy work. So, yes, they were the cornerstone of his system, and they were an approach to following the Buddhist eightfold path, it seems. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk "Rich" wrote in message news:405A7619.CD7170D@shaw.ca... > Hey, Garry's on a roll! Just spent some time perusing my Reiki > books and doing a bit of scouring the web. Now, the experts need to > correct me but it appears that Usui added the precepts much later, after > he had gone around healing folks for some time. He wanted to add a > spiritual touch to his work. How does that relate to the precepts being > the 'cornerstone' of Reiki? > cheers > Rich > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:54:55 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <405add87.1781668@news.Individual.NET> References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka307.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.12.7) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079697039 73953148 I 207.69.12.7 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka307.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14857 On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:45:08 +0100, "Rena" wrote: >ich denke, das "Geheimnis" ist einfach: Die Vibration und die geneigte >Motivations zu fühlen, für den Text, der dort eventuell in einer anderen >Sprache steht. Well, yes, Rena, but sometimes that's easier said than done, especially when one doesn't know much about the cultural context. >Das Fühlen von Liebe, Freude, Hass und Schmerz usw. tun alle gleich, >egal welche Sprache gesprochen/ geschrieben wird. You've got die wahrheit there! And working from that, we will always have a common bond that we can work from to gain understanding. >Mögen kulturelle Unterschiede die Brücken zur allseitigen, >herzlichen Verständigung sein! Hallelujah und Amen, Schwester! You're preaching to the choir! Liebe and Licht, Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <6e8f99611a35010ff118fb505ce21fee@news.teranews.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:41:22 GMT Lines: 135 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405ab1ce.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!opentransit.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14868 "pr" wrote in message news:405ab1ce.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "arthealer" wrote in message > news:6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com... > > > > "Garry Williams" wrote in message > > news:40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET... > > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:10:34 GMT, "arthealer" > > > Mornings and evenings, sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud > > and in your heart. > > > > For the improvement of body and soul, Usui Reiki Ryoho. > > > > The founder, Mikao Usui > > > > Thanks garry for pointing me at them but i still believe i have a point > > here. > > You mean everything that was written so far has run off > like water off a ducks back? don't you quack at me:) > >When someone says "don't get angry" it is kind of like saying, "don't > > smoke cigarettes".. . . .it tells what to do but not *how* to do it > > You mean "repeat these words out loud and in your heart" is > not clear enough for you? How many cigarettes could you > smoke while saying these words out loud? Dearest pr, i believe in the precepts. i condone their simple presentation. i use them daily. . . at least a hundred times a day probably much more. They are the central theme of my life. Everything i do surrounds these concepts. i am a healer. i love my life. i can spot with my eyes closed when one isn't using them. i want everyone to know they work. they heal disease. > > there is a bunch of ground between knowing it isn't good for you and > knowing > > you need to stop . .and stopping. "Don't get angry". . . oh, ok. . .now > put > > that into practice. . . . where is the *how*?? > > To "repeat out loud and *with your heart*" IS stopping it. i know that is true. . .i was looking for reasons perhaps others didn't use them. > > > i look at the precepts as commands to self. .. .affirmations, because i > use > > variations and expanded versions of same with great success and i am here > to > > say that this does work. > > What I don't understand then is why you don't just post > what works for you? Why argue about the precepts and > how other people use it? Why tell everybody that they > are assholes and don't understand the precepts? > Why attack people who are well-know and respected > by many and call them deceptive, dishonest and frauds? The precepts work for me. i argue when i see others that claim to be reikists not using them. > >i think it is important to note that enough > > emphasis couldn't be placed on how often these excercizes should be done. > . > > Then why don't you? You go on for many posts about nobody > saying *how* to achieve a result. Why not say repeat the > precepts 1000 times a day, or 10000 times. > > > . ..because they are about changing years of programming and habit. > > Really, why do you think people make statements like, "The precepts are > > there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we > > can't." or, "The five precepts are not some magical formular to cure > > oneself.They are certainly good principles to adher to when possible but > > they are far from the only such principals found in many cultures. > > You write yourself that you have many variations, so what is wrong > if other cultures have their own? as i said. i can spot if they are a central theme in someones life.. . . irreguarless of the variation. > > To me, this downplays the importance of the precepts. Did you read what > rich > > posted from: "The Spirit of Reiki", by Walter Lubeck, FrankPetter, and > > William Rand? > > What the hell is that about? These guys are authorities?? i want them here > > to say what i have to say to them!!! > > I am sure you can send them some e-mails or contact them > via a web site. Why should they come her? > now you just want to argue. > > i get really frustrated > > Add to the precepts "Just for today, I will not get frustrated" > Thank you pr. .. .that is a wonderfull idea!! love is . . . > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > ###### From: "Rena" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:39:19 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> <405add87.1781668@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-212-144-065-131.arcor-ip.net (212.144.65.131) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079710974 74418898 I 212.144.65.131 ([11005]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-212-144-065-131.arcor-ip.NET!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14870 "Garry Williams" schrieb: > "Rena" schrieb: > >ich denke, das "Geheimnis" ist einfach: Die Vibration und die geneigte > >Motivations zu fühlen, für den Text, der dort eventuell in einer anderen > >Sprache steht. > Well, yes, Rena, but sometimes that's easier said than done, Lieblich Gärry, may be - or may be not. But it´s our way, even with Reiki to will be filigran in the soul and find the way of heart... > especially when one doesn't know much about the cultural context. ...and that´s not so hard, as the taste of the hot cooking. *g* > >Das Fühlen von Liebe, Freude, Hass und Schmerz usw. tun alle gleich, > >egal welche Sprache gesprochen/ geschrieben wird. > > You've got die wahrheit there! And working from that, we will always > have a common bond that we can work from to gain understanding. > > >Mögen kulturelle Unterschiede die Brücken zur allseitigen, > >herzlichen Verständigung sein! > > Hallelujah und Amen, Schwester! You're preaching to the choir! *lol* It´s not so a long way to connect the universal arrangement, lieber Bruder. But I am singing - yes. *ggg* Schön, dass es Dich gibt, mach´ weiter so! :-) Love and Licht, Rena ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <405B332C.B34B4932@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> <405A7619.CD7170D@shaw.ca> <405aaf4d_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:54:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1079718847 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:54:07 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:54:07 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14876 Reiki Evolution wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > Don't believe everything you read! ;-) I don't believe everything I read. I freed myself of that many years ago. It's always interesting that when I am told not to believe, then in the next breath I am told what to believe. Gets confusing doesn't it! Almost like discussing religion! Just for today...don't believe anything! :) Rich ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <32a8264f8c5b59e04bdc6a3f6c0b6cc7@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 03:13:17 GMT Lines: 19 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> <405A7619.CD7170D@shaw.ca> <405aaf4d_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <405B332C.B34B4932@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14880 "Rich" wrote in message news:405B332C.B34B4932@shaw.ca... > > > Reiki Evolution wrote: > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Don't believe everything you read! ;-) > > I don't believe everything I read. I freed myself of that many years > ago. It's always interesting that when I am told not to believe, then in > the next breath I am told what to believe. Gets confusing doesn't it! > Almost like discussing religion! Just for today...don't believe > anything! :) > Rich yes!!! lol ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:31:04 GMT Lines: 218 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14888 "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET... > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:42:48 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >Thanks garry for pointing me at them but i still believe i have a point > >here. When someone says "don't get angry" it is kind of like saying, "don't > >smoke cigarettes".. . . .it tells what to do but not *how* to do it and > >there is a bunch of ground between knowing it isn't good for you and knowing > >you need to stop . .and stopping. "Don't get angry". . . oh, ok. . .now put > >that into practice. . . . where is the *how*?? > > Ah! I was thinking about the part at the end, where Usui tells us to > repeat the precepts morning and night. I see what you are getting at > now, Kevin. > > I was told that the way the precepts are stated in Japanese, because > of some linguistic quirk that Japanese has and English doesn't, the > "don't get angry" and "don't worry" part are actually expressed as a > positives. (I don't speak, read or write the language, so don't quote > me as an authority) It's almost always easier to see how to "do" > something than to see how to "not do" something, precisely. When told not to do something leaves one not guided as to what *to do.* . . . . .or what behavior to *do* in it's place. >seems to me. Or maybe > not. :-) I currently express those two statements as "let go of..." > because that's something that I understand how to do. Yes, a good way to put it into a positive. it shows your understanding of it's application. >Anyways, I think > the problem in this particular instance is one of translation. > Translation is never easy even between closely related languages, much > less two languages (and cultures) as different as Japanese and the > English speaking countries. And Peter R on one occasion remarked about > how he didn't like the usual German language versions of the precepts, > so obviously we don't have a monopoly on bad translations. :-) yeah, i remember that post:) > On one of the mailing lists I'm on, one person (George Mullen) > remarked that: > > "I was taught that the meaning of "ikaru- > "na shinpaisu-na" was one of unconditionality: being in a mindful > "state of not-anger and not-worry. Onuki explained this as lack of > "concern over either the outcome of our own actions (=worry-not) or > "how the actions of others affect us (=anger-not)." beautifully said. > I guess my point here is that one has to figure out for himself how to > pry the succulent concept oyster out of the shell of bad translation. > Perhaps that's too much effort for some folks to make? it would appear that way. > >Do you see what i am driving at? From the varied reactions here about them > >and the disbelief that they can actually be put into practice all the time . > >. . . i think it is because the practical application of them is difficult > >for people and perhaps the *how* of it is the downfall.. . . . or is it just > >the disbelief or maybe simply the misunderstanding of the importance of > >them? i am digging for reasons that people won't or can't. And maybe it is > >as simple as you say, "you can lead a horse to water. . . . . .. ." > > As you know, everyone has differing opinions on any given subject. > And, of course, opinions are like buttholes--everyone's got one and no > one wants to smell anyone else's. It could be as simple as people are > just not *interested* in the approach that Usui tried to pass down to > us, because theirs smells better to them. ;-) i see where you are coming from, however, i wasn't addressing the bridge club when i posted . . . . this is Alt. Healing.Reiki. and i expect more sharing of experiences *because* people here follow the precepts. Perhaps i should kick it off myself.. . .but i don't think i'd have too much response. ... .kinda have to be there. > Me, I'm not worried. I offer the precepts and if they take them, fine, > and if they don't, that's fine too. i want to more like you when i grow up:) > >i look at the precepts as commands to self. .. .affirmations, because i use > >variations and expanded versions of same with great success and i am here to > >say that this does work. i think it is important to note that enough > >emphasis couldn't be placed on how often these exercises should be done. . > > That's why Usui said to say them out loud and to yourself morning and > night. People usually don't even get to hear that part, nevermind hear > and explanation of why the repetition is needed. guess so. . . . .have torch, will travel. > >. ..because they are about changing years of programming and habit. > > We have a bingo! > > >Really, why do you think people make statements like, "The precepts are > >there, and we follow them, not because they can be achieved but because we > >can't." > > In this case you have to consider the source. The author of this one > said that, if you like, you can change the word "because" to > "despite". Now, in my mind, and possibly yours, as well, I don't > typically think of those two expressions as interchangeable. But > you're expected to divine the correct interpretation, anyways, > regardless of the actual words used. (dusting off divining rods) > >or, "The five precepts are not some magical formular to cure > >oneself.They are certainly good principles to adher to when possible but > >they are far from the only such principals found in many cultures. > >Living with them as a guide (which is all anyone can do) may well releive > >some stress from life and the reduction of stress is always helpful." > > Again, you have to consider the source. I think this is one of those > cases where the interest in this aspect of Reiki is just not there in > this individual. His experience of life has lead him in a different > direction. Horses, water, etc. well, i'm trying to impart to others that if healing is their interest (and i assume it is if they post here) it is ones obligation to reiki and ones self, to take up the precepts ea. day and begin to heal self first. Being your own patient is highly educational and requires a trust in this energy that is beyond casual conversation. > >To me, this downplays the importance of the precepts. Did you read what rich > >posted from: "The Spirit of Reiki", by Walter Lubeck, FrankPetter, and > >William Rand? > >What the hell is that about? These guys are authorities?? i want them here > > Well, Rich may have quoted them, but I don't recall him saying they > are High Authorities or anything like that. Well, i know rich never said that but i believe he posted it as an authoritative counter opinion to my post. People read books and think that because someone wrote a book on reiki that they must know what they are talking about. > They just said something > that Rich thought he could use to express what he was trying to get > across. yup. > BTW, if you want my personal opinion of those 3, well, let me just > say, if I'm looking to part with hard-earned cash, I know who's > willing to take my money. But if I'm interested in words of wisdom, > I'll most likely seek elsewhere. > > > i get really frustrated with people concerning their > >nonchalant attitude about this* incredibly important *aspect of reiki > >because it is the part i believe in and am attracted to and *know* works > >from experience. It changed my life and *turns disease around.* It empowers > >me daily and i want others to be able to have this incredibaly life changing > >experience too. it is so damn simple. . .it costs nothing (except your > >willingness to give up highly prized misconceptions about how the world > >works) and it does work. > >(steps down off soap box exhausted and out of breath). > > It's enough to know it works for you. By being an example to those > around you, those who can accept the message will be attracted to you. > Those who are not ready for this message will not. Be grateful. :-) true, true and true. It is also true that when people get moved off top dead center and begin expressing themselves more honestly and with passion, everybody learns. > >Love is . . .. . having friends of like mind to deflate with. . . . . > > Always a pleasure! > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > >ps. my spell check is on the blink and i'm too lazy to take this to another > >program to correct it . . . so good luck. . . > > Hah! I don't think I "missed anything in translation". > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <405677c6.761906@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:54:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.151.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1079855692 162.84.151.202 (Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:54:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:54:52 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14912 thanks > > Ginger, good instincts! All we ever really have is "this moment", so > you're on the right track! > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <8o3e50ttt87fsjea12e6jvufbvfbdvlbs5@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <1Ub7c.1943$o76.1463@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:55:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.151.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1079855741 162.84.151.202 (Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:55:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:55:41 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14913 yeah. good point. thanks. > > > > Yeah, Ginger. It seems that that is how it is. Calmness and > balance become more one's norm, even in the midst of demands and > little crises. That's my experience from doing yoga meditation > and from Reiki (incl precepts observance). > > Of course, none of us is perfect, least of all me. But one > learns how to come back to balance more gracefully -- > self-acceptance being part of it. IOW, 'just for today, don't > worry that you worried'. Accept the fact that you got mad or > worried or whatever, then remember the precepts, then regain your > calm and balance. Believe me, it is not the same as, and *is* an > improvement over, the period of your life when you did not have > Reiki and the precepts. And hence you can afford some > self-acceptance. > > MHO..................... > > > montane ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:01:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.151.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1079856069 162.84.151.202 (Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:01:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:01:09 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14914 i am finding it a challenge, but it's still easier than a day. with 24 hours in a day, 60 minutes in each hour and 60 seconds (a good enough measurement for the present moment) in each minute that's 86,400 moments to keep from angering and worrying. well if am asleep for 6 of those hours that should about about 64,800 moments. assuming i did the math right, all at once that's bigger than this angry worried girl can handle! "GreG" wrote in message news:anCdnX6FH4vrjsrdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk... > > > -- > > "gingerobyn" wrote in message > news:qhr5c.9205$1g2.1529@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > > i have been trying to remember to apply the principles lately and i have > had > > to change it from "just for today" to "just for this moment" because even > a > > day is too long for me to try to keep anger and worry at bay. i'm not > > successful yet, but i am hoping each moment will become the next until a > day > > passes and then a week and so on. > > > I like your style, think I will give that a try myself......thousand mile > journey begins with the first step,and all that. > Greg > > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6ba6ab5b018592b0c390e645a53d5991@news.teranews.com> <40553263.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <405803be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <581c466701f9b6f506e7791f0959ebe5@news.teranews.com> <40584163.2088096@news.Individual.NET> <6a93bcada33290bbc674bf01362a3be6@news.teranews.com> <405a4623.1852388@news.Individual.NET> <405A7619.CD7170D@shaw.ca> <405aaf4d_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <405B332C.B34B4932@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:26:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1079868404 65.33.138.54 (Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:26:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:26:44 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14916 Rich... believe that everything you read about reiki here and in other places is simply the perception of the person originating the writings. There is no authority regarding Reiki and there is no specify belief that needs to be followed. There is only the Universe and You, you are a part of the Universe as are all and therefore all you need to do is believe in yourself. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Rich" wrote in message news:405B332C.B34B4932@shaw.ca... > > > Reiki Evolution wrote: > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Don't believe everything you read! ;-) > > I don't believe everything I read. I freed myself of that many years > ago. It's always interesting that when I am told not to believe, then in > the next breath I am told what to believe. Gets confusing doesn't it! > Almost like discussing religion! Just for today...don't believe > anything! :) > Rich > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:22:37 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <405d86fb.1151970@news.Individual.NET> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka3fi.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.13.242) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1079871493 75428515 I 207.69.13.242 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka3fi.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14919 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:01:09 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >i am finding it a challenge, but it's still easier than a day. with 24 hours >in a day, 60 minutes in each hour and 60 seconds (a good enough measurement >for the present moment) in each minute that's 86,400 moments to keep from >angering and worrying. well if am asleep for 6 of those hours that should >about about 64,800 moments. assuming i did the math right, all at once >that's bigger than this angry worried girl can handle! I think this might just be a matter of a little perspective. When you're taking on every one of those 86,400 moments at once, that sounds like a pretty impossible task! But right now, in this *particular* moment, what problem do you have that is so terrible that you *must* do something about it in this instant or perish? And if there isn't anything immediately pressing going on in this instant, and you're worried about something a few thousands or tens of thousands moments hence, how does worrying about it help you, now, in this moment? If you can't think of anything, you're on the right track. :-) So, now that we've determined that this moment is fairly safe, and that worrying in this particular moment doesn't do us any good, why not just let go of it? If it's really necessary, we can worry later when it's the right time (especially since it's always now, and never later). :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <405d86fb.1151970@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:01:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.251.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1079892089 162.83.251.218 (Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:01:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:01:29 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14926 again we are really on the same page and i just didnt express myself clearly. what i meant was that i tend to overwhelm myself. in this case so as not to overwhelm myself i break it up into moment by moment so i will not be overwhelmed because as you said the only moment is now. "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:405d86fb.1151970@news.Individual.NET... > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:01:09 GMT, "gingerobyn" > wrote: > > >i am finding it a challenge, but it's still easier than a day. with 24 hours > >in a day, 60 minutes in each hour and 60 seconds (a good enough measurement > >for the present moment) in each minute that's 86,400 moments to keep from > >angering and worrying. well if am asleep for 6 of those hours that should > >about about 64,800 moments. assuming i did the math right, all at once > >that's bigger than this angry worried girl can handle! > > I think this might just be a matter of a little perspective. When > you're taking on every one of those 86,400 moments at once, that > sounds like a pretty impossible task! But right now, in this > *particular* moment, what problem do you have that is so terrible that > you *must* do something about it in this instant or perish? And if > there isn't anything immediately pressing going on in this instant, > and you're worried about something a few thousands or tens of > thousands moments hence, how does worrying about it help you, now, in > this moment? If you can't think of anything, you're on the right > track. :-) So, now that we've determined that this moment is fairly > safe, and that worrying in this particular moment doesn't do us any > good, why not just let go of it? If it's really necessary, we can > worry later when it's the right time (especially since it's always > now, and never later). :-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:29:24 +0200 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-156.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <405fbd26.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 23 Mar 2004 06:29:26 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-156.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-156.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14943 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... > i am finding it a challenge, but it's still easier than a day. with 24 hours > in a day, 60 minutes in each hour and 60 seconds (a good enough measurement > for the present moment) in each minute that's 86,400 moments to keep from > angering and worrying. well if am asleep for 6 of those hours that should > about about 64,800 moments. assuming i did the math right, all at once > that's bigger than this angry worried girl can handle! You did it right so far, but according so some scriptures there are 72,000 concrete thought moments in every second. Better not mention which ones, otherwise Shadow will accuse me of pushing Buddhism :) (Who said something about there being more than one way of skinning a cat?) Anyway, that leaves you with 4,924,800,000 thought moments every day. The easiest way to reduce this number seems to me to sleep more or drop dead, a course not always feasible. Maybe this mountain is bigger than anyone can handle? This may now be one more thing to worry about. OTOH it may just be an explanation why we struggle so much. Take your pick :) -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:33 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <405fbd26.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.2.124.91 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1080027229 78158231 I 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!80.2.124.91!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14945 "Buddhist texts portray consciousness as "momentary collections of mental phenomena", and as "distinct, unconnected and impermanent moments which perish as soon as they arise" Each one of these "occasions of experience" can be caused by a self-reduction process The reported frequencies of conscious moments range from one "thought" per 13.3 msec to one per 20 msec." You multiply out, Peter ... it's too early in the morning for me ... ;) Stuart ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Powerful principles Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:11:51 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <40602907.1363580@news.Individual.NET> References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <405fbd26.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka3vj.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.15.243) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1080043639 77366927 I 207.69.15.243 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka3vj.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14947 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:29:24 +0200, "pr" wrote: >You did it right so far, but according so some >scriptures there are 72,000 concrete thought >moments in every second. Better not mention TMI. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If I didn't know better, I'd think you think too much. ;-) namaste, Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <0d8cc643f4f07aaf3b1a0858199eac11@news.teranews.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:22:44 GMT Lines: 48 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <405fbd26.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:14949 "pr" wrote in message news:405fbd26.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "gingerobyn" wrote in message > news:9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... > > i am finding it a challenge, but it's still easier than a day. with 24 > hours > > in a day, 60 minutes in each hour and 60 seconds (a good enough > measurement > > for the present moment) in each minute that's 86,400 moments to keep from > > angering and worrying. well if am asleep for 6 of those hours that should > > about about 64,800 moments. assuming i did the math right, all at once > > that's bigger than this angry worried girl can handle! > > You did it right so far, but according so some > scriptures there are 72,000 concrete thought > moments in every second. Better not mention > which ones, otherwise Shadow will accuse me > of pushing Buddhism :) (Who said something > about there being more than one way of > skinning a cat?) > Anyway, that leaves you with 4,924,800,000 > thought moments every day. > The easiest way to reduce this number seems > to me to sleep more or drop dead, a course > not always feasible. > Maybe this mountain is bigger than anyone can > handle? This may now be one more thing to worry > about. OTOH it may just be an explanation why > we struggle so much. Take your pick :) > the struggle is always more in the beginning when one is turning around the tide of ill thought habbits... . it gets much easier in a short amount of time.. . . when the momentum of healthy thought is on your side. love is .. . > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f3d5781baeaa72712b43c120426870d@news.teranews.com> <9Zb7c.3342$vC.1674@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <405fbd26.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Powerful principles Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 05:48:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.198.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1080971286 162.84.198.16 (Sat, 03 Apr 2004 00:48:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 00:48:06 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed01.chello.at!amsnews04.chello.com!amsnews01.chello.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f3340854!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:15210 > > You did it right so far, but according so some > scriptures there are 72,000 concrete thought > moments in every second. Better not mention > which ones, otherwise Shadow will accuse me > of pushing Buddhism :) (Who said something > about there being more than one way of > skinning a cat?) > Anyway, that leaves you with 4,924,800,000 > thought moments every day. > The easiest way to reduce this number seems > to me to sleep more or drop dead, a course > not always feasible. > Maybe this mountain is bigger than anyone can > handle? This may now be one more thing to worry > about. OTOH it may just be an explanation why > we struggle so much. Take your pick :) "4,924,800,000 thought moments every day." holy cow! doesn't surprise me that much though. my reaction is late because i haven't been online much lately. incidentally i had an aura photo taken a few weeks ago at the new life expo and my head had the brigthest spot in my aura--i'm head dominant with thoughts roaming around and around--wasn't too surprised by that either really. my central aura was yellow orange, supposedly very analytical, logical and all of that. but the more obvious color coming into my aura was green-- healer, teacher, changing, social, communicative. it was all pretty interesting. a few days before someone recommended that i focus on acting from my heart and gut rather than my head. the aura photo reminded me that i might really want to work on that. it also reminded me that when i was little, maybe about 7 years old i remember asking my mother why i was able to have so many thoughts in my head at one time but was not able express them all at once and couldn't say them as fast as i thought them. i found it frustrating that early for some reason. while others struggle with addictions to cigarettes and coffee i struggle with addiction to my own thoughts!