From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: The essentials of Reiki Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:30:25 +0200 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-62.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 31 Jan 2004 09:37:45 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-62.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!ctn1.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-62.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13290 ~Rena wrote: > Reiki is above all a way of life of the mental frequency extension, > imho, natürlich ist es auch noch viel, viel mehr! > What essential have Reiki for You, Peter? The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. It is to become a human being rather than to be a human thought only, which is the condition of the "normal" person. It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of progressing beyond the present one. Mental frequency extension to recover, or get in touch with, what we knew in the past. It is to know the past and to remember the future. -- Namo Amito Fo Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "Rena" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:00:41 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-145-254-189-163.arcor-ip.net (145.254.189.163) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075562417 29924590 145.254.189.163 ([11005]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-145-254-189-163.arcor-ip.NET!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13297 "pr" schrieb: > ~"Rena" wrote: Very spezial meaning... thanks! :-) Best Regards, Rena > > Reiki is above all a way of life of the mental frequency extension, > > imho, natürlich ist es auch noch viel, viel mehr! > > What essential have Reiki for You, Peter? > > The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy > the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. > It is to become a human being rather than to be > a human thought only, which is the condition of > the "normal" person. > It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of > progressing beyond the present one. Mental > frequency extension to recover, or get in touch > with, what we knew in the past. > It is to know the past and to remember the future. > > -- > Namo Amito Fo > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:19:29 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-488.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!203.109.252.33.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13299 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:30:25 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy >the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. >It is to become a human being rather than to be >a human thought only, which is the condition of >the "normal" person. >It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of >progressing beyond the present one. Mental >frequency extension to recover, or get in touch >with, what we knew in the past. >It is to know the past and to remember the future. I can accept a lot of what you say. It gets into definitions or symantics, of course: what is the ego? A dictionary will tell you that "ego" is the Latin word for "I" -- so are you making the assumption that an enlightened person feels no sense of "I"? Wouldn't that be a non-functional state? At least for the overwhelming majority of people in our societies? Your "self" in the everyday sense is identified with your body, your name, your biography, your personal drives, your attitudes and other things. Here's a common example: You go for a job interview. You bring a resume, and it has your name, your address and phone number (which locate the place where your body sleeps, probably), and your employment history (aspect of your bio). The resume may also say something specific about your skills and strengths -- and if your resume does not, then how you put yourself forward in the interview, seeking the job, will no doubt do so. IMHO, virtually everybody needs to have this kind of an ego. One might question whether or in what way a person needs to be attached to that ego. Most people need to be attached to it in the sense that they have to be able to put it forward in various human transactions. Of course, when providing a Reiki session to someone (yourself included), you may transcend all this for a period of time. The ego is an interesting topic. How do you see it? Blessings, montane ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Organization: http://www.metareiki.org Reply-To: steven@metareiki.org Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr27.news.prodigy.com 1075569524 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:18:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:18:44 EST X-UserInfo1: S[OIR\WGTRRYRRDXGBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:18:44 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr27.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!3db7a031!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13305 Hi Joel. Please send me a private e-mail. Thanks, Steven ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:59:09 +0200 Lines: 122 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-82.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 2 Feb 2004 05:05:07 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-82.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-82.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13361 "montane" wrote in message news:hsgn10dafeccuuj9mlh33flfbq6gglof71@4ax.com... > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:30:25 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > >The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy > >the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. > >It is to become a human being rather than to be > >a human thought only, which is the condition of > >the "normal" person. > >It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of > >progressing beyond the present one. Mental > >frequency extension to recover, or get in touch > >with, what we knew in the past. > >It is to know the past and to remember the future. > > I can accept a lot of what you say. It gets into definitions or > symantics, of course: what is the ego? > > A dictionary will tell you that "ego" is the Latin word for "I" -- so > are you making the assumption that an enlightened person feels no > sense of "I"? ~montane, note that I say "destruction of the ego as an entity". To me this means the belief that there is something that has an independent existence. It is seen as something constant, in many cases preceeding birth and surviving death. Ego is sort of the mental aspect of soul. I believe I can say that there is an increasing realization in psychology that this ego is actually made up all the time, as we go along. Nothing new, it is something the Buddha said thousands of years ago. > Wouldn't that be a non-functional state? At least for the > overwhelming majority of people in our societies? If you take ego as an entity then you would be right. However, if we take ego as a function, as a convenient way of stating that "something is happening at a certain place and this happening seems to originate from a body labelled "peter"", then it is not true. Unfortunately, our culture has indoctrinated people with "eternal soul" doctrines for a long time, and much of popular thought is presently hell-bent on establishing the absolute indepence of individuals, leading to a disconnect. This in turn then prevents the people from seeing how they are really manipulated. > Your "self" in the everyday sense is identified with your body, your > name, your biography, your personal drives, your attitudes and other > things. Here's a common example: You go for a job interview. You > bring a resume, and it has your name, your address and phone number > (which locate the place where your body sleeps, probably), and your > employment history (aspect of your bio). The resume may also say > something specific about your skills and strengths -- and if your > resume does not, then how you put yourself forward in the interview, > seeking the job, will no doubt do so. As I said, "I" as a convenient way of saying "something is happening at a certain place and this happening seems to originate from a body labelled "xyz". But why does this "I" go to the interview? Survival? Dissatisfaction? Challenges? Thoughts? Who has the thoughts? Is the "I" having thoughts or are the thoughts having an "I" thought? > IMHO, virtually everybody needs to have this kind of an ego. One > might question whether or in what way a person needs to be attached to > that ego. Most people need to be attached to it in the sense that > they have to be able to put it forward in various human transactions. > Of course, when providing a Reiki session to someone (yourself > included), you may transcend all this for a period of time. > > The ego is an interesting topic. How do you see it? I think the 4th Toltec principle says "Do not take anything personally". I would have to do some research to give you more details and refresh my memory, but this is just another way of saying that ego does not really exists. To take things personally is to give the ego, the "I", an undue importance. Human transactions are occurring within agreed rules, they are transactions happening between clusters of energy and physical manifestations but who really concludes them, and drives them I do not know. How do you know that it is a person typing this? Maybe it is just a clever machine? You don't know, do you? You make an assumption, based on your experiences and your present knowledge, that this must be typed by a person. But how does this person chose what to say? Thoughts come into my mind, they seem to be appropriate and I type them out. What controls this process? The "I"? No way. The "I" comes afterwards, the "I" is just a thought like any other. If you would dissect a body you would see as little of an "I" as we see of a "soul". It is a mental construct that goes on only as long as the brain functions. Dead brain - dead I. No thought - no I, even if you are still alive. Is that, the suspension of thinking, though not of awareness, not what actually happens when you refer to the transcending experience? There is substantial evidence that this suspension of thought can be a permanent feature in ones life. That thinking only kicks into operation when it is necessary, i.e. dealing with facts. If you are not dealing with facts then theer is no thought activity. IOW, the personal psychology, the ego, which keeps our thought processes going *all the time* is dead, has ceased to exist. You want to know more read Eckhart Tolle, or google for U.G. Krishnamurti. (U.G. not Jiddu) "I" know that this must sound confusing to many people. Where is the control over ones life, which we treasure so much? Scary stuff! -- Namo Amito Fo Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <401DE9A1.962E1676@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 06:10:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1075702220 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:10:20 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:10:20 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.alt.net!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13362 Just to add another dimension to the discussion, my present research/reading would include the 'making of myths' as crucial to our human predicament. This refers to myths not as fairy tales but as stories the mind tells itself to reduce body tension in order to survive. So if we are confronted with a dilemma or threat we try to find the cause. If we cannot, then we will surely make one up. The mind just won't settle for 'not knowing'. If we have had sufficient feeling/emotion about the dilemma, then it becomes a hardwired solution or resolution and it is now a more-or-less permanent part of our character or self. When we relate this cause to enough other people who generate feelings/emotions about it all, then it becomes part of a societal myth. Then whole groups of people respond the same way to common dilemmas. We usually do this in regard to things that are out of our ability to discover some resolution for, like 'what happens after death', 'why is there suffering' 'how was the universe made and what is our place in it', etc. We also do it with regard to things we cannot normally make sense of like illnesses, predictions for our future, famine, drought, etc. We generate a 'self' or 'ego' automatically as part of our biological make-up which includes the biggest drive of all....our survival. Any drive or attempt to eliminate this ego or self would take enormous energy, and when successful just becomes another version of 'self having survived at a new level' which is still self! In our endless search for Reiki 'information' are we relegating the whole thing to mythology? If we are, then we need to include that thought in our everyday language so we have a handle on the conversation. Hey, just my confusing 2 cents worth! :) Cheers Rich pr wrote: > > "montane" wrote in message > news:hsgn10dafeccuuj9mlh33flfbq6gglof71@4ax.com... > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:30:25 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > > > > >The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy > > >the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. > > >It is to become a human being rather than to be > > >a human thought only, which is the condition of > > >the "normal" person. > > >It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of > > >progressing beyond the present one. Mental > > >frequency extension to recover, or get in touch > > >with, what we knew in the past. > > >It is to know the past and to remember the future. > > > > I can accept a lot of what you say. It gets into definitions or > > symantics, of course: what is the ego? > > ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Organization: http://www.metareiki.org Reply-To: steven@metareiki.org Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 123 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1075747996 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:53:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:53:16 EST X-UserInfo1: F[OIR\WGTRRYRRDXGBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^ZUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:53:16 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!3db7a031!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13377 Considering all that you have written, it sounds to me like the ego is just a 'meme'. On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:59:09 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"montane" wrote in message >news:hsgn10dafeccuuj9mlh33flfbq6gglof71@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:30:25 +0200, "pr" wrote: >> >> > >> >The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy >> >the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. >> >It is to become a human being rather than to be >> >a human thought only, which is the condition of >> >the "normal" person. >> >It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of >> >progressing beyond the present one. Mental >> >frequency extension to recover, or get in touch >> >with, what we knew in the past. >> >It is to know the past and to remember the future. >> >> I can accept a lot of what you say. It gets into definitions or >> symantics, of course: what is the ego? >> >> A dictionary will tell you that "ego" is the Latin word for "I" -- so >> are you making the assumption that an enlightened person feels no >> sense of "I"? > >~montane, > >note that I say "destruction of the ego as an entity". To me >this means the belief that there is something that has an >independent existence. It is seen as something constant, >in many cases preceeding birth and surviving death. Ego >is sort of the mental aspect of soul. I believe I can say >that there is an increasing realization in psychology that >this ego is actually made up all the time, as we go along. >Nothing new, it is something the Buddha said thousands >of years ago. > >> Wouldn't that be a non-functional state? At least for the >> overwhelming majority of people in our societies? > >If you take ego as an entity then you would be right. >However, if we take ego as a function, as a convenient >way of stating that "something is happening at a certain >place and this happening seems to originate from a >body labelled "peter"", then it is not true. Unfortunately, >our culture has indoctrinated people with "eternal soul" >doctrines for a long time, and much of popular thought is >presently hell-bent on establishing the absolute indepence >of individuals, leading to a disconnect. This in turn then >prevents the people from seeing how they are really >manipulated. > >> Your "self" in the everyday sense is identified with your body, your >> name, your biography, your personal drives, your attitudes and other >> things. Here's a common example: You go for a job interview. You >> bring a resume, and it has your name, your address and phone number >> (which locate the place where your body sleeps, probably), and your >> employment history (aspect of your bio). The resume may also say >> something specific about your skills and strengths -- and if your >> resume does not, then how you put yourself forward in the interview, >> seeking the job, will no doubt do so. > >As I said, "I" as a convenient way of saying "something is happening >at a certain place and this happening seems to originate from a >body labelled "xyz". >But why does this "I" go to the interview? Survival? Dissatisfaction? >Challenges? Thoughts? Who has the thoughts? Is the "I" having >thoughts or are the thoughts having an "I" thought? > >> IMHO, virtually everybody needs to have this kind of an ego. One >> might question whether or in what way a person needs to be attached to >> that ego. Most people need to be attached to it in the sense that >> they have to be able to put it forward in various human transactions. >> Of course, when providing a Reiki session to someone (yourself >> included), you may transcend all this for a period of time. >> >> The ego is an interesting topic. How do you see it? > >I think the 4th Toltec principle says "Do not take anything personally". >I would have to do some research to give you more details and refresh >my memory, but this is just another way of saying that ego does not >really exists. To take things personally is to give the ego, the "I", an >undue importance. >Human transactions are occurring within agreed rules, they >are transactions happening between clusters of energy and >physical manifestations but who really concludes them, and >drives them I do not know. > >How do you know that it is a person typing this? Maybe >it is just a clever machine? You don't know, do you? You >make an assumption, based on your experiences and >your present knowledge, that this must be typed by a >person. But how does this person chose what to say? >Thoughts come into my mind, they seem to be appropriate >and I type them out. What controls this process? The "I"? >No way. The "I" comes afterwards, the "I" is just a thought >like any other. If you would dissect a body you would see >as little of an "I" as we see of a "soul". It is a mental >construct that goes on only as long as the brain functions. >Dead brain - dead I. No thought - no I, even if you are still >alive. Is that, the suspension of thinking, though not of >awareness, not what actually happens when you refer to >the transcending experience? >There is substantial evidence that this suspension of >thought can be a permanent feature in ones life. That >thinking only kicks into operation when it is necessary, >i.e. dealing with facts. If you are not dealing with facts >then theer is no thought activity. IOW, the personal >psychology, the ego, which keeps our thought processes >going *all the time* is dead, has ceased to exist. >You want to know more read Eckhart Tolle, or google >for U.G. Krishnamurti. (U.G. not Jiddu) >"I" know that this must sound confusing to many people. >Where is the control over ones life, which we treasure >so much? Scary stuff! Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <401EA3D6.E60D1431@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:24:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1075749885 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:24:45 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:24:45 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13378 Yes, it could appear as such and then it could have the quality of evolving until it loses its grip, so to speak. OTOH maybe we could treat the ego as more of a partner and less of an undesirable, depending on the semantics! Hey, is this all starting to take the shape of a circle again? :) That's how brilliant the mind is, once it gets faced with something that might 'pull the rug' out from under its firmly established resolutions. Smart cookie! The literature in the Transpersonal realm seems to suggest that we are starting to pile up at the level of the 'green meme'. Could Reiki be the booster force required to push mankind up to the next level? Cheers Rich "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > > Considering all that you have written, it sounds to me like the ego > is just a 'meme'. > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <401EADCB.2E9FF30E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 128 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1075752435 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:07:15 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:07:15 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13381 Ooops, I should have mentioned that in a discussion of memes, I tend to use the distinctions of Ken Wilber. Rich "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > > Considering all that you have written, it sounds to me like the ego > is just a 'meme'. > > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:59:09 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > >"montane" wrote in message > >news:hsgn10dafeccuuj9mlh33flfbq6gglof71@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:30:25 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >The essentials of any spiritual practice is to destroy > >> >the ego as an entity. Reiki is a tool along that way. > >> >It is to become a human being rather than to be > >> >a human thought only, which is the condition of > >> >the "normal" person. > >> >It is a return to an "earlier" state by means of > >> >progressing beyond the present one. Mental > >> >frequency extension to recover, or get in touch > >> >with, what we knew in the past. > >> >It is to know the past and to remember the future. > >> > >> I can accept a lot of what you say. It gets into definitions or > >> symantics, of course: what is the ego? > >> > >> A dictionary will tell you that "ego" is the Latin word for "I" -- so > >> are you making the assumption that an enlightened person feels no > >> sense of "I"? > > > >~montane, > > > >note that I say "destruction of the ego as an entity". To me > >this means the belief that there is something that has an > >independent existence. It is seen as something constant, > >in many cases preceeding birth and surviving death. Ego > >is sort of the mental aspect of soul. I believe I can say > >that there is an increasing realization in psychology that > >this ego is actually made up all the time, as we go along. > >Nothing new, it is something the Buddha said thousands > >of years ago. > > > >> Wouldn't that be a non-functional state? At least for the > >> overwhelming majority of people in our societies? > > > >If you take ego as an entity then you would be right. > >However, if we take ego as a function, as a convenient > >way of stating that "something is happening at a certain > >place and this happening seems to originate from a > >body labelled "peter"", then it is not true. Unfortunately, > >our culture has indoctrinated people with "eternal soul" > >doctrines for a long time, and much of popular thought is > >presently hell-bent on establishing the absolute indepence > >of individuals, leading to a disconnect. This in turn then > >prevents the people from seeing how they are really > >manipulated. > > > >> Your "self" in the everyday sense is identified with your body, your > >> name, your biography, your personal drives, your attitudes and other > >> things. Here's a common example: You go for a job interview. You > >> bring a resume, and it has your name, your address and phone number > >> (which locate the place where your body sleeps, probably), and your > >> employment history (aspect of your bio). The resume may also say > >> something specific about your skills and strengths -- and if your > >> resume does not, then how you put yourself forward in the interview, > >> seeking the job, will no doubt do so. > > > >As I said, "I" as a convenient way of saying "something is happening > >at a certain place and this happening seems to originate from a > >body labelled "xyz". > >But why does this "I" go to the interview? Survival? Dissatisfaction? > >Challenges? Thoughts? Who has the thoughts? Is the "I" having > >thoughts or are the thoughts having an "I" thought? > > > >> IMHO, virtually everybody needs to have this kind of an ego. One > >> might question whether or in what way a person needs to be attached to > >> that ego. Most people need to be attached to it in the sense that > >> they have to be able to put it forward in various human transactions. > >> Of course, when providing a Reiki session to someone (yourself > >> included), you may transcend all this for a period of time. > >> > >> The ego is an interesting topic. How do you see it? > > > >I think the 4th Toltec principle says "Do not take anything personally". > >I would have to do some research to give you more details and refresh > >my memory, but this is just another way of saying that ego does not > >really exists. To take things personally is to give the ego, the "I", an > >undue importance. > >Human transactions are occurring within agreed rules, they > >are transactions happening between clusters of energy and > >physical manifestations but who really concludes them, and > >drives them I do not know. > > > >How do you know that it is a person typing this? Maybe > >it is just a clever machine? You don't know, do you? You > >make an assumption, based on your experiences and > >your present knowledge, that this must be typed by a > >person. But how does this person chose what to say? > >Thoughts come into my mind, they seem to be appropriate > >and I type them out. What controls this process? The "I"? > >No way. The "I" comes afterwards, the "I" is just a thought > >like any other. If you would dissect a body you would see > >as little of an "I" as we see of a "soul". It is a mental > >construct that goes on only as long as the brain functions. > >Dead brain - dead I. No thought - no I, even if you are still > >alive. Is that, the suspension of thinking, though not of > >awareness, not what actually happens when you refer to > >the transcending experience? > >There is substantial evidence that this suspension of > >thought can be a permanent feature in ones life. That > >thinking only kicks into operation when it is necessary, > >i.e. dealing with facts. If you are not dealing with facts > >then theer is no thought activity. IOW, the personal > >psychology, the ego, which keeps our thought processes > >going *all the time* is dead, has ceased to exist. > >You want to know more read Eckhart Tolle, or google > >for U.G. Krishnamurti. (U.G. not Jiddu) > >"I" know that this must sound confusing to many people. > >Where is the control over ones life, which we treasure > >so much? Scary stuff! > > Steven Buck, CMT > San Francisco, CA ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Organization: http://www.metareiki.org Reply-To: steven@metareiki.org Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401EADCB.2E9FF30E@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr27.news.prodigy.com 1075763370 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:09:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:09:30 EST X-UserInfo1: SCSYASRDPBSQB_\YGZIVOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\BPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:09:30 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.usenetserver.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr27.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!3db7a031!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13383 Which one of Ken Wilbers books is a good starting place? I've read Richard Dawkins, Susan Blackmore, Pascal Boyer and Steven Pinker. On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:15 GMT, Rich wrote: >Ooops, I should have mentioned that in a discussion of memes, I tend to >use the distinctions of Ken Wilber. >Rich Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <401EF653.8CB3FBC9@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401EADCB.2E9FF30E@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:16:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1075771004 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:16:44 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:16:44 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.10.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13385 Wow, good question. I would suggest "A Theory of Everything" or "Integral Psychology". Just browsing the Ken Wilber websites gives a pretty good intro to his writings. Once you have a sense of his philosophy on memes, there is an excellent article he wrote to explain Sept.11. He is a very educated writer and is very at-home in both Eastern and Western thought. (I added that comment for anyone else who might have an interest.) Ken studies everything by everyone and quotes very generously. Cheers Rich "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > > Which one of Ken Wilbers books is a good starting place? I've read > Richard Dawkins, Susan Blackmore, Pascal Boyer and Steven Pinker. > > On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:07:15 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Ooops, I should have mentioned that in a discussion of memes, I tend to > >use the distinctions of Ken Wilber. > >Rich > > Steven Buck, CMT > San Francisco, CA ###### From: "Rena" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:13:11 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401EADCB.2E9FF30E@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-145-254-188-051.arcor-ip.net (145.254.188.51) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075797224 29583757 145.254.188.51 ([11005]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-145-254-188-051.arcor-ip.NET!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13392 "Steven Buck, CMT" schrieb: > "Rich" schrieb: > Which one of Ken Wilbers books is a good starting place? I've read > Richard Dawkins, Susan Blackmore, Pascal Boyer and Steven Pinker. A colleague in Germany said: "what I do not know, fills shelves of books..." => [Impudent girl fast away again *ggg*] Alles Liebe, Rena ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <401FD6E9.E5B8E2D6@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401EADCB.2E9FF30E@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:14:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1075828498 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:14:58 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:14:58 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13399 Hi Rena, Tell your colleague to participate with this group! All wisdom is available here!! :) Cheers Rich Rena wrote: > > "Steven Buck, CMT" schrieb: > > "Rich" schrieb: > > > Which one of Ken Wilbers books is a good starting place? I've read > > Richard Dawkins, Susan Blackmore, Pascal Boyer and Steven Pinker. > > A colleague in Germany said: > "what I do not know, fills shelves of books..." > > => [Impudent girl fast away again *ggg*] > > Alles Liebe, > Rena ###### From: "Rena" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The essentials of Reiki Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:31:07 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <401b5b49.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401dbe63.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <401EADCB.2E9FF30E@shaw.ca> <401FD6E9.E5B8E2D6@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-145-254-189-029.arcor-ip.net (145.254.189.29) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075829523 32106680 145.254.189.29 ([11005]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-145-254-189-029.arcor-ip.NET!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13400 "Rich" schrieb: > "Rena" schrieb: > Tell your colleague to participate with this group! All wisdom is > available > here!! :) OK! I think that also - I make it so and communicate! :-)) Alles Liebe, Rena