From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: the precepts Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:58:50 -0000 Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-225-9-209.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 28 Jan 2004 20:58:49 GMT, ppp-225-9-209.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!ppp-225-9-209.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13192 Dear All, There is something that I wanted to share with you. We are all familiar with the Reiki precepts, and the different translations that are available in the West, some closer to and some further away from the original ones. But there is some new information about them that I thought you might find interesting. Mikao Usui's precepts were actually quite similar to precepts being taught by many other Tendai and Zen teachers in his time, and an accurate translation of Usui's precepts would be something like this: For today only, do not anger, do not worry. Be humble. Be honest in your dealings with others. Be compassionate towards yourself and others. The precepts are Usui Sensei's own wording of an earlier set of precepts used in a Tendai sect of Shugendo (with which he had contact) and which date back to the 9th century. These precepts are a way of addressing aspects of the Buddhist eight-fold path, but in a more simplified form, and are as follows: Do not bear anger, for anger is illusion. Do not be worried because fear is distraction. Be true to your way and your being. Show compassion to yourself and others. Because this is the centre of Buddhahood. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk -- Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:40:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075329627 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:40:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:40:27 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13197 Hi Taggart, Personally after so many variation of the precepts being passed around I fail to see the need for yet another. I must be getting old. I think however that there are many words meant to guide us in our daily lives from other cultures that are just as meaningful and perhaps more meaningful to those who are of a different culture. Living a good life with an honest attempt to not hold ill-will toward others is reflected in many organizations. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Reiki Evolution" wrote in message news:40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com... > Dear All, > > There is something that I wanted to share with you. We are all familiar with > the Reiki precepts, and the different translations that are available in the > West, some closer to and some further away from the original ones. But there > is some new information about them that I thought you might find > interesting. > > Mikao Usui's precepts were actually quite similar to precepts being taught > by many other Tendai and Zen teachers in his time, and an accurate > translation of Usui's precepts would be something like this: > > For today only, do not anger, do not worry. > Be humble. Be honest in your dealings with others. > Be compassionate towards yourself and others. > > The precepts are Usui Sensei's own wording of an earlier set of precepts > used in a Tendai sect of Shugendo (with which he had contact) and which date > back to the 9th century. These precepts are a way of addressing aspects of > the Buddhist eight-fold path, but in a more simplified form, and are as > follows: > > Do not bear anger, for anger is illusion. > Do not be worried because fear is distraction. > Be true to your way and your being. > Show compassion to yourself and others. > Because this is the centre of Buddhahood. > > Best wishes, > > > > Taggart > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > > -- > Best wishes, > > > Taggart > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > > > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:06:01 GMT Lines: 58 Message-ID: <40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka1kb.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.6.139) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075334452 26777412 207.69.6.139 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka1kb.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13200 Very Interesting! Thanks for sharing, Taggart! Did you do the research yourself? If not, can you let us know who did, just for the record? Thanks, Garry On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:58:50 -0000, "Reiki Evolution" wrote: >Dear All, > >There is something that I wanted to share with you. We are all familiar with >the Reiki precepts, and the different translations that are available in the >West, some closer to and some further away from the original ones. But there >is some new information about them that I thought you might find >interesting. > >Mikao Usui's precepts were actually quite similar to precepts being taught >by many other Tendai and Zen teachers in his time, and an accurate >translation of Usui's precepts would be something like this: > >For today only, do not anger, do not worry. >Be humble. Be honest in your dealings with others. >Be compassionate towards yourself and others. > >The precepts are Usui Sensei's own wording of an earlier set of precepts >used in a Tendai sect of Shugendo (with which he had contact) and which date >back to the 9th century. These precepts are a way of addressing aspects of >the Buddhist eight-fold path, but in a more simplified form, and are as >follows: > >Do not bear anger, for anger is illusion. >Do not be worried because fear is distraction. >Be true to your way and your being. >Show compassion to yourself and others. >Because this is the centre of Buddhahood. > >Best wishes, > > > >Taggart >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > >-- >Best wishes, > > >Taggart >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk >5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 04:18:27 +0200 Lines: 89 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-17.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <40186ec7.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 29 Jan 2004 04:24:07 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-17.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-17.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13205 "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:vTWRb.139771$I05.2552625@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > Hi Taggart, > > Personally after so many variation of the precepts being passed around I > fail to see the need for yet another. I must be getting old. Definitely:-) As I understand Taggart did not post one more interpretation of the precept but what he thinks is the pre-cursor of them. -- Namu Amito Fo Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" > I think however that there are many words meant to guide us in our daily > lives from other cultures that are just as meaningful and perhaps more > meaningful to those who are of a different culture. > > Living a good life with an honest attempt to not hold ill-will toward others > is reflected in many organizations. > > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Reiki Evolution" wrote in message > news:40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com... > > Dear All, > > > > There is something that I wanted to share with you. We are all familiar > with > > the Reiki precepts, and the different translations that are available in > the > > West, some closer to and some further away from the original ones. But > there > > is some new information about them that I thought you might find > > interesting. > > > > Mikao Usui's precepts were actually quite similar to precepts being taught > > by many other Tendai and Zen teachers in his time, and an accurate > > translation of Usui's precepts would be something like this: > > > > For today only, do not anger, do not worry. > > Be humble. Be honest in your dealings with others. > > Be compassionate towards yourself and others. > > > > The precepts are Usui Sensei's own wording of an earlier set of precepts > > used in a Tendai sect of Shugendo (with which he had contact) and which > date > > back to the 9th century. These precepts are a way of addressing aspects of > > the Buddhist eight-fold path, but in a more simplified form, and are as > > follows: > > > > Do not bear anger, for anger is illusion. > > Do not be worried because fear is distraction. > > Be true to your way and your being. > > Show compassion to yourself and others. > > Because this is the centre of Buddhahood. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Taggart > > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > > > > > -- > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Taggart > > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:52:24 -0000 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-162-173.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 29 Jan 2004 08:52:23 GMT, dial-62-64-162-173.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-162-173.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13209 "I think however that there are many words meant to guide us in our daily lives from other cultures that are just as meaningful and perhaps more meaningful to those who are of a different culture." Maybe so. I was simply doing the following: (1) passing on a translation of Mikao Usui's precepts that has come from Usui Sensei's surviving students, so people could see how the various different versions we have in the West actually started out. (2) Show the origins of Usui's precepts - in a Tendai sect of Shugendo that Usui had contact with - and which date back to the 9th century. I am very interested in the origins of Reiki, and my personal quest is to get to grips with - and pass on - what Usui actually taught, rather than later variations in Japan or the West. Many other people are interested in the history of Reiki and its origins, and its original form, and that's why I passed on what I had learned. The information I passed on comes from the surviving students, via Chris Marsh. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:54:08 -0000 Lines: 86 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-162-173.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <4018ca2f_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 29 Jan 2004 08:54:07 GMT, dial-62-64-162-173.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-162-173.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13210 Hi Garry, The information comes from Chris Marsh, who is in contact with Suzuki san and the group of surviving students. I wouldn't recognise a Tendai sect of Shugendo if it came up and bit me on the leg! - Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET... > Very Interesting! Thanks for sharing, Taggart! Did you do the research > yourself? If not, can you let us know who did, just for the record? > > Thanks, > > Garry > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:58:50 -0000, "Reiki Evolution" > wrote: > > >Dear All, > > > >There is something that I wanted to share with you. We are all familiar with > >the Reiki precepts, and the different translations that are available in the > >West, some closer to and some further away from the original ones. But there > >is some new information about them that I thought you might find > >interesting. > > > >Mikao Usui's precepts were actually quite similar to precepts being taught > >by many other Tendai and Zen teachers in his time, and an accurate > >translation of Usui's precepts would be something like this: > > > >For today only, do not anger, do not worry. > >Be humble. Be honest in your dealings with others. > >Be compassionate towards yourself and others. > > > >The precepts are Usui Sensei's own wording of an earlier set of precepts > >used in a Tendai sect of Shugendo (with which he had contact) and which date > >back to the 9th century. These precepts are a way of addressing aspects of > >the Buddhist eight-fold path, but in a more simplified form, and are as > >follows: > > > >Do not bear anger, for anger is illusion. > >Do not be worried because fear is distraction. > >Be true to your way and your being. > >Show compassion to yourself and others. > >Because this is the centre of Buddhahood. > > > >Best wishes, > > > > > > > >Taggart > >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > > > > >-- > >Best wishes, > > > > > >Taggart > >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > >5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Lines: 58 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:25:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075379148 65.33.138.52 (Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:25:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:25:48 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13214 > "I think however that there are many words meant to guide us in our daily > lives from other cultures that are just as meaningful and perhaps more > meaningful to those who are of a different culture." > > Maybe so. I was simply doing the following: > > (1) passing on a translation of Mikao Usui's precepts that has come from > Usui Sensei's surviving students, so people could see how the various > different versions we have in the West actually started out. > (2) Show the origins of Usui's precepts - in a Tendai sect of Shugendo that > Usui had contact with - and which date back to the 9th century. > Actually I am still totally sceptic of the source of your material since is is at the least third hand and the supposed originators are all over 100 years old. Also the fact that these people are not available to any others for any type of validation. Did it ever occur to anyone that Takata did spend time in Japan and if these people were in exhistance she would have been aware of them and yet she claimed to be the only surviving Reiki Master. Is it possible that she did not count them because they were not completely trained? > I am very interested in the origins of Reiki, and my personal quest is to > get to grips with - and pass on - what Usui actually taught, rather than > later variations in Japan or the West. > The origins of Reiki begin with Dr Usui! Reiki is merely the name he applied to his system. So are you really seeking the origins of "Energy work"? > Many other people are interested in the history of Reiki and its origins, > and its original form, and that's why I passed on what I had learned. The > information I passed on comes from the surviving students, via Chris Marsh. > In all fairness Taggert you are passing on information that is not validated as yet. It is common knowledge to many that since Takata's passing certain people have attempted (right or wrong) to either discredit her teachings and abilities and or to create an entirely new perception of what Usui Taught. Chris Marsh, whom I do not know personally, is one of many people who claim to have contact with the real surviving students of Usui. Now how on earth can anyone determine which of these peoples are telling the truth? Reiki did very well before so many tried to either prove or disprove what takata shared and yet not one person has demonstrated any true emprovement in Reiki (via results). ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:20:48 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <401916C0.B05DD3AE@imbris.com> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm672-03.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13218 ShadowWolf wrote: > Did it ever occur to anyone that Takata did spend time in Japan and if these > people were in exhistance she would have been aware of them and yet she > claimed to be the only surviving Reiki Master. Is it possible that she did > not count them because they were not completely trained? It's also possible the only reiki people she came into contact with were those from Hayashi's clinic, not those from other `branches' who were taught by Usui. So yeah, after the war and the deaths of those she knew, maybe she did really think she was the only surviving master. [snip] > In all fairness Taggert you are passing on information that is not validated > as yet. > > It is common knowledge to many that since Takata's passing certain people > have attempted (right or wrong) to either discredit her teachings and > abilities and or to create an entirely new perception of what Usui Taught. > > Chris Marsh, whom I do not know personally, is one of many people who claim > to have contact with the real surviving students of Usui. Now how on earth > can anyone determine which of these peoples are telling the truth? How can we determine the truth of the teaching of Jesus either? The only way to know absolutely is if we were there firsthand, and that just isn't going to happen. That's where the faith comes in that was talked about last week. sue ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:42:42 -0000 Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-225-8-163.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 29 Jan 2004 18:42:41 GMT, ppp-225-8-163.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!ppp-225-8-163.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13224 Dear ShadowWolf, "Actually I am still totally sceptic of the source of your material..." "These people are not available to any others for any type of validation..." "You are passing on information that is not validated as yet..." "Now how on earth can anyone determine which of these peoples are telling the truth?..." Whether you choose to believe me or not is entirely up to you. I am not interested in trying to persuade anyone of the veracity of the things that I am passing on (maybe I should have kept schtum and not shared the information, so that it is only available to a small minority of Reiki people?). If you want to wait to obtain external verification of these things then I believe you are going to have a very long wait, and you'll need to ignore most of the new information coming from Japan, because even when written material can be obtained to back up certain claims this can be misleading, you know. As Suzee says, trust comes into this. I have been in contact with Chris Marsh for over four years now and I have trained with him one-to-one on a number of occasions. I believe that he is an honourable and trustworthy man. He is not interested in personal aggrandisement: you will notice that he does not even have a web site, is not publishing and promoting a series of books on the subject, nor is he travelling the world to promote books and run courses. He is simply passing on some of what he has learned from the surviving students, and I am very grateful that he is, because what he has shared with me has transformed my experience of Reiki and made a big difference to the treatments that I give too. "Not one person has demonstrated any true emprovement in Reiki (via results)..." ...this is not the message that I am getting from many of the people who have learned the original approaches from me. Finally, I fail to understand why Mrs Takata should have had any contact at all with the surviving students. They quietly carried on following Usui Sensei's spiritual teachings and would not have had any contact with Dr Hayashi and the Imperial Officers, I shouldn't think. The Imperial Officers arrived late in Reiki's history and were taught a system very different from what had been taught to the group of surviving students. Her contact was with Dr Hayashi who had set up on his own and had even left the 'Gakkai. I am not searching for the origins of energy work. I am searching for the teachings of Mikao Usui, and to understand and experience the system that he taught. What Usui Sensei taught is not what Mrs Takata passed to the West. Incidentally, Usui did not call his system "Reiki"; that name came later and seems to have been used first when the Imperial Officers set up the 'Gakkai after his death. But anyway, I am sharing information in good faith - because I like to share and because people share right back at me - and it is up to other people to decide what credence to give to the things that I pass on. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:39:31 -0000 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-160-14.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <40197d91_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 29 Jan 2004 21:39:29 GMT, dial-62-64-160-14.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-160-14.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13228 Many thanks for that Jonathan. -- Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN "Jonathan" wrote in message news:bvbucm$rdp$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Hi Taggart, > > Thanks for sharing the info you had. > > The atmosphere here on AHR is getting a little, well, sniffy and worrying in > my opinion, but from my point of view, can I say that I appreciate your kind > jesture in sharing the info that you had. > All those nice, adult people out there can now either read it or ignore it- > but irrespective have had the chance of seeing what you had- a chance that > it would appear some people don't want them to have. > > Peace to all, J. > > > ###### From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:40:42 -0000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.88.53 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1075412182 28089 217.134.88.53 (29 Jan 2004 21:36:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2004 21:36:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13227 Hi Taggart, Thanks for sharing the info you had. The atmosphere here on AHR is getting a little, well, sniffy and worrying in my opinion, but from my point of view, can I say that I appreciate your kind jesture in sharing the info that you had. All those nice, adult people out there can now either read it or ignore it- but irrespective have had the chance of seeing what you had- a chance that it would appear some people don't want them to have. Peace to all, J. ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:39:07 GMT Lines: 97 Message-ID: <4019a705.1156503@news.Individual.NET> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET> <4018ca2f_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka8de.cable.mindspring.com (207.69.33.174) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075422834 28142333 207.69.33.174 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka8de.cable.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13234 Taggart, I wouldn't want you to get bitten in the name of research! But if you must, hope your shots are up to date. Thanks again for sharing! Garry On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:54:08 -0000, "Reiki Evolution" wrote: >Hi Garry, > >The information comes from Chris Marsh, who is in contact with Suzuki san >and the group of surviving students. > >I wouldn't recognise a Tendai sect of Shugendo if it came up and bit me on >the leg! > >- >Best wishes, > > >Taggart >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk >5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > >"Garry Williams" wrote in message >news:40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET... >> Very Interesting! Thanks for sharing, Taggart! Did you do the research >> yourself? If not, can you let us know who did, just for the record? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Garry >> >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:58:50 -0000, "Reiki Evolution" >> wrote: >> >> >Dear All, >> > >> >There is something that I wanted to share with you. We are all familiar >with >> >the Reiki precepts, and the different translations that are available in >the >> >West, some closer to and some further away from the original ones. But >there >> >is some new information about them that I thought you might find >> >interesting. >> > >> >Mikao Usui's precepts were actually quite similar to precepts being >taught >> >by many other Tendai and Zen teachers in his time, and an accurate >> >translation of Usui's precepts would be something like this: >> > >> >For today only, do not anger, do not worry. >> >Be humble. Be honest in your dealings with others. >> >Be compassionate towards yourself and others. >> > >> >The precepts are Usui Sensei's own wording of an earlier set of precepts >> >used in a Tendai sect of Shugendo (with which he had contact) and which >date >> >back to the 9th century. These precepts are a way of addressing aspects >of >> >the Buddhist eight-fold path, but in a more simplified form, and are as >> >follows: >> > >> >Do not bear anger, for anger is illusion. >> >Do not be worried because fear is distraction. >> >Be true to your way and your being. >> >Show compassion to yourself and others. >> >Because this is the centre of Buddhahood. >> > >> >Best wishes, >> > >> > >> > >> >Taggart >> >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Best wishes, >> > >> > >> >Taggart >> >www.reiki-evolution.co.uk >> >5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:15:44 GMT Lines: 19 From: suzee Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13242 Reiki Evolution wrote: > As Suzee says, trust comes into this. I have been in contact with Chris > Marsh for over four years now and I have trained with him one-to-one on a > number of occasions. I believe that he is an honourable and trustworthy man. > He is not interested in personal aggrandisement: you will notice that he > does not even have a web site, is not publishing and promoting a series of > books on the subject, nor is he travelling the world to promote books and > run courses. He is simply passing on some of what he has learned from the > surviving students, and I am very grateful that he is, because what he has > shared with me has transformed my experience of Reiki and made a big > difference to the treatments that I give too. Hmmm. I didn't mean `trust the person the information comes through' but used the word faith. Similar to religious faith - we take certain beliefs about religion `on faith' without having firsthand knowledge of them. sue ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:46:03 -0000 Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-231-16.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <401a35ea_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 30 Jan 2004 10:46:02 GMT, dial-62-64-231-16.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-231-16.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13248 Hi Sue, I was referring to ShadowWolf's comment when he said: "Chris Marsh, whom I do not know personally, is one of many people who claim to have contact with the real surviving students of Usui. Now how on earth can anyone determine which of these peoples are telling the truth?" But I know what you mean though. -- Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN "suzee" wrote in message news:df203a2bdbdc8bb20bf3ff0cddaa127b@news.teranews.com... > Reiki Evolution wrote: > > > As Suzee says, trust comes into this. I have been in contact with Chris > > Marsh for over four years now and I have trained with him one-to-one on a > > number of occasions. I believe that he is an honourable and trustworthy man. > > He is not interested in personal aggrandisement: you will notice that he > > does not even have a web site, is not publishing and promoting a series of > > books on the subject, nor is he travelling the world to promote books and > > run courses. He is simply passing on some of what he has learned from the > > surviving students, and I am very grateful that he is, because what he has > > shared with me has transformed my experience of Reiki and made a big > > difference to the treatments that I give too. > > Hmmm. I didn't mean `trust the person the information comes through' but > used the word faith. Similar to religious faith - we take certain > beliefs about religion `on faith' without having firsthand knowledge of > them. > > sue ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <401916C0.B05DD3AE@imbris.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <2lrSb.122858$873.2426815@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:36:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075462590 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:36:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:36:30 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13250 Hi Sue, "suzee" wrote in message news:401916C0.B05DD3AE@imbris.com... > ShadowWolf wrote: > > It's also possible the only reiki people she came into contact with were > those from Hayashi's clinic, not those from other `branches' who were > taught by Usui. So yeah, after the war and the deaths of those she knew, > maybe she did really think she was the only surviving master. > Absolutely a possibility however I have no reason to believe that hayashi was disconected from any of the other reiki people in his time. > [snip] > How can we determine the truth of the teaching of Jesus either? The only > way to know absolutely is if we were there firsthand, and that just > isn't going to happen. That's where the faith comes in that was talked > about last week. > Personally I do not hold a belief that what is written about Jesus is totally accurate. However I do not put any of these Reiki people in the same class of Jesus, not even close. What I have been told is that there are supposed to be about 12 people over 100 years old who were taught by Usui but that they will not talk with anyone (outsiders) about it. Now I have heard the same feable excuses with others who claimed to have found the real teaching of Usui and even Hayashi. I might as well be from Missouri because I need to see something more meaningful than some unknown persons word. especially since they can not demonstrate that the form they are practicing is more effective than the basics practiced by what is termed as a Reiki level 1. ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <3wrSb.122861$873.2427610@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:48:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075463295 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:48:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:48:15 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13251 Hi Jonathan, You said: > All those nice, adult people out there can now either read it or ignore it- > but irrespective have had the chance of seeing what you had- a chance that > it would appear some people don't want them to have. If you are referring to me with that statement I think you should understand that I do not object to Taggarts sharing what he has had shared with himself. What I do object to is the fact that He states what he is sharing is valid and that what we were taught by Takata and followers is less. If I were to remain silent and not voice my opinion about this material than I would be depriving others of the right to see both sides. I have seen several people developed their web sites over the years and have seen them make claims about the Reiki system one day only to find something they liked better (for whatever reason) and turn around and discount what they were so adment about prior. Maybe, it could have been, I think, perhaps, is it possible etc phrases that would at the least be kinder to those who came before. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Jonathan" wrote in message news:bvbucm$rdp$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Hi Taggart, > > Thanks for sharing the info you had. > > The atmosphere here on AHR is getting a little, well, sniffy and worrying in > my opinion, but from my point of view, can I say that I appreciate your kind > jesture in sharing the info that you had. > > Peace to all, J. > > > > ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <3wrSb.122861$873.2427610@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:54:42 -0000 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-228-15.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <401a6221_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 30 Jan 2004 13:54:41 GMT, dial-62-64-228-15.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-228-15.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13255 "What I do object to is the fact that He states what he is sharing is valid and that what we were taught by Takata and followers is less." I am sure that Mrs Takata passed on absolutely faithfully what she was taught by Dr Hayashi and took a lot of care in what she was doing. But what Dr Hayashi was taught by Mikao Usui is not representative of what Usui Sensei taught to the vast majority of his students, and I really cannot see how Mrs Takata can possibly have been aware of what Usui was teaching to the earlier students (before the Imperial Officers arrived). And if she actually *was* aware of what he was teaching, then she deleted a lot of stuff along the way, and I don't think that happened. Are you saying then, ShadowWolf, that what Mrs Takata passed on in the West is everything that there is to know about Reiki, that there is nothing more to say or discover about what Mikao Usui was teaching, or his life, and that what Mrs T taught accurately represents what Mikao Usui was teaching to the majority of his students? If you are sceptical about all this, fine. If you doubt people's motives, fine. If you are irked that I am saying things that don't tie in with Mrs Takata's teachings, fine, that's up to you. I am simply passing on the truth as I believe it to be. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <3wrSb.122861$873.2427610@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <401a6221_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Lines: 93 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:18:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075475920 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:18:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:18:40 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13261 Hi Taggart, -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Reiki Evolution" wrote in message news:401a6221_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com... > I am sure that Mrs Takata passed on absolutely faithfully what she was > taught by Dr Hayashi and took a lot of care in what she was doing. Please understand that I am saying that Takata was perfect in any manner regarding Reiki. I am saying that she introduced reiki in an effective manner to the world which is something that none of the others seem to be willing to do. Her way works and none of the new comers have demonstrated anything better. > But what > Dr Hayashi was taught by Mikao Usui is not representative of what Usui > Sensei taught to the vast majority of his students, This type of statement is still unfounded. And that is the very thing I do object too. You do not know what Usui taught Hayashi or what Usui taught anyone else in the short time he was teaching Reiki, or even what Hayashi actually taught Takata. >and I really cannot see > how Mrs Takata can possibly have been aware of what Usui was teaching to the > earlier students (before the Imperial Officers arrived). And if she actually > *was* aware of what he was teaching, then she deleted a lot of stuff along > the way, and I don't think that happened. > If there were others teaching Reiki in Japan and takata spent time in Japan learning ( in the field according to her version of her story) it is not unreasonable to assume she heard of or met any other Reiki people. Afterall it (Reiki) was not a secret within the Japanese peoples. > Are you saying then, ShadowWolf, that what Mrs Takata passed on in the West > is everything that there is to know about Reiki, that there is nothing more > to say or discover about what Mikao Usui was teaching, or his life, and that > what Mrs T taught accurately represents what Mikao Usui was teaching to the > majority of his students? > Not at all Taggart, I am saying that the supposed new information coming out of Japan mostly by westerners is suspect. You trust in your source for whatever reason, that doesn't mean you are correct or that your trust is any form of proof. It means only that you do not choose to challange what the person tells you. Who are the majority of students taught by Usui? ANd to waht degree were they taught and what proof is there they even heard of usui before any of the westerners went to Japan after Takata Died. You make statements that can not be verified in any manner and call it your truth. My truth is that not once has anyone demonstrated that the Japanese variations are either better/more effective or that the material is actually from Usui himself. > If you are sceptical about all this, fine. If you doubt people's motives, > fine. If you are irked that I am saying things that don't tie in with Mrs > Takata's teachings, fine, that's up to you. > What eirks me most is the attitude that what you are saying is fact is not proveable. > I am simply passing on the truth as I believe it to be. Ditto, I am doing the same. > > Best wishes, > > > Taggart > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > > > ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <3wrSb.122861$873.2427610@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <401a6221_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:42:21 -0000 Lines: 159 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-235-140.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <401a7baf_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 30 Jan 2004 15:43:43 GMT, dial-62-64-235-140.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-235-140.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13262 OK, well I think we can agree to disagree here. "I am saying that Mrs Takata introduced reiki in an effective manner to the world" I agree. "Her way works and none of the new comers have demonstrated anything better." In your view. I have not come to the same conclusion and many people who have learned the original methods would not agree with you. I wonder what personal experience you have had of the original approaches. "You do not know what Usui taught Hayashi or what Usui taught anyone else in the short time he was teaching Reiki" Usui was teaching his system as early as 1915, and yes, we do know what he was teaching to the group of surviving students. I realise that you will not believe me until a student can be wheeled out, fingerprinted, and signed affidavits offered up to the world Reiki community. "If there were others teaching Reiki in Japan and takata spent time in Japan learning ( in the field according to her version of her story) it is not unreasonable to assume she heard of or met any other Reiki people." Usui's surviving students, certainly, simply followed his spiritual teachings and passed on the system to a few family members and to some monks and nuns. They were not out there advertising themselves and shouting from the rooftops. In the end, you don't believe me, and I am quite happy with that. I don't need you to accept what I am saying. We don't have to agree. I'm off to run some courses now. Back on Monday. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:kBuSb.66487$Bj.41883@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > Hi Taggart, > > > > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Reiki Evolution" wrote in message > news:401a6221_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com... > > I am sure that Mrs Takata passed on absolutely faithfully what she was > > taught by Dr Hayashi and took a lot of care in what she was doing. > > Please understand that I am saying that Takata was perfect in any manner > regarding Reiki. > I am saying that she introduced reiki in an effective manner to the world > which is something that none of the others seem to be willing to do. > Her way works and none of the new comers have demonstrated anything better. > > > But what > > Dr Hayashi was taught by Mikao Usui is not representative of what Usui > > Sensei taught to the vast majority of his students, > > This type of statement is still unfounded. And that is the very thing I do > object too. > You do not know what Usui taught Hayashi or what Usui taught anyone else in > the short time he was teaching Reiki, or even what Hayashi actually taught > Takata. > > > >and I really cannot see > > how Mrs Takata can possibly have been aware of what Usui was teaching to > the > > earlier students (before the Imperial Officers arrived). And if she > actually > > *was* aware of what he was teaching, then she deleted a lot of stuff along > > the way, and I don't think that happened. > > > If there were others teaching Reiki in Japan and takata spent time in Japan > learning ( in the field according to her version of her story) it is not > unreasonable to assume she heard of or met any other Reiki people. > Afterall it (Reiki) was not a secret within the Japanese peoples. > > > Are you saying then, ShadowWolf, that what Mrs Takata passed on in the > West > > is everything that there is to know about Reiki, that there is nothing > more > > to say or discover about what Mikao Usui was teaching, or his life, and > that > > what Mrs T taught accurately represents what Mikao Usui was teaching to > the > > majority of his students? > > > Not at all Taggart, I am saying that the supposed new information coming out > of Japan mostly by westerners is > suspect. > > You trust in your source for whatever reason, that doesn't mean you are > correct or that your trust is any form of proof. It means only that you do > not choose to challange what the person tells you. > > Who are the majority of students taught by Usui? ANd to waht degree were > they taught and what proof is there they even heard of usui before any of > the westerners went to Japan after Takata Died. > > You make statements that can not be verified in any manner and call it your > truth. My truth is that not once has anyone demonstrated that the Japanese > variations are either better/more effective or that the material is actually > from Usui himself. > > > If you are sceptical about all this, fine. If you doubt people's motives, > > fine. If you are irked that I am saying things that don't tie in with Mrs > > Takata's teachings, fine, that's up to you. > > > What eirks me most is the attitude that what you are saying is fact is not > proveable. > > > I am simply passing on the truth as I believe it to be. > Ditto, I am doing the same. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Taggart > > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40195421_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:44:35 +0200 Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-183.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <401b3b71.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 31 Jan 2004 07:21:53 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-183.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-183.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13286 "suzee" wrote in message news:df203a2bdbdc8bb20bf3ff0cddaa127b@news.teranews.com... > Reiki Evolution wrote: > > > As Suzee says, trust comes into this. I have been in contact with Chris > > Marsh for over four years now and I have trained with him one-to-one on a > > number of occasions. I believe that he is an honourable and trustworthy man. > > He is not interested in personal aggrandisement: you will notice that he > > does not even have a web site, is not publishing and promoting a series of > > books on the subject, nor is he travelling the world to promote books and > > run courses. He is simply passing on some of what he has learned from the > > surviving students, and I am very grateful that he is, because what he has > > shared with me has transformed my experience of Reiki and made a big > > difference to the treatments that I give too. > > Hmmm. I didn't mean `trust the person the information comes through' but > used the word faith. Similar to religious faith - we take certain > beliefs about religion `on faith' without having firsthand knowledge of > them. Knowing: We are looking for knowledge, for certainty. When we get we are fine, until somebody comes along and proves that it was actually quite wrong. Then we start again, an endless game. We are forever chasing the holy grail and in the process we get afraid, anxious, stressed, frustrated, angry. The externals impacting on us, we are like a flag in the wind, blown about by new discoveries and new interpretations. Faith: We start out with what we assume to be true. We take a stand and we unfold our life from there. We impact on the world instead of the reverse. We evaluate the effectiveness of our faith by the results we see. It is the pole, firmly anchored in the ground, not the flag. And yes, maybe the pole needs to shifted from time to time, but tha will be *my* decision and not one imposed from the outside. In the firm ground there is peace and certainty. And a knowledge of a different kind, and it makes accessible knowledge of a different realm. -- Namo Amito Fo Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: seven Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Organization: http://seven.postmodern.com Message-ID: <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.57.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s54 1075584049 67.169.57.204 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:20:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:20:49 GMT Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:20:49 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!attbi_s54.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13315 On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:25:48 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > >> I am very interested in the origins of Reiki, and my personal quest is to >> get to grips with - and pass on - what Usui actually taught, rather than >> later variations in Japan or the West. >> >The origins of Reiki begin with Dr Usui! Reiki is merely the name he applied >to his system. Has anyone read the "Original Reiki-Handbook of Dr. Mikao Usui" by Mikao Usui, and Christine M. Grimm (Translator), http://tinyurl.com/33yl8 ISBN: 0914955578 (if you want to look it up manually, or just click the link above) --- http://seven.postmodern.com seven at post modern dot com ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:29:41 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <401c1dc1.6350156@news.Individual.NET> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka3sq.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.15.154) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075584260 29024418 207.69.15.154 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka3sq.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13316 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:20:49 GMT, seven wrote: >Has anyone read the "Original Reiki-Handbook of Dr. Mikao Usui" by >Mikao Usui, and Christine M. Grimm (Translator), Yes. But I think the current research says it was really written by Hayashi, and he just gave the credit to his teacher, as is common in Japanese society. Anyways, did you have a specific question about it? Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:12:03 -0000 Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-225-10-94.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <401d79b4_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 1 Feb 2004 22:12:04 GMT, ppp-225-10-94.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!ppp-225-10-94.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13354 It's an interesting book, but it doesn't represent the system that Usui was teaching and most of it has nothing to do with Usui. The hand positions for different ailments are the work of Dr Hayashi, not Usui. Usui's approach was simple and intuitive. -- Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk 5 Rose Lane, Pinchbeck, Spalding, Lincs PE11 3RN "seven" wrote in message news:0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com... > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:25:48 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > > > > >> I am very interested in the origins of Reiki, and my personal quest is to > >> get to grips with - and pass on - what Usui actually taught, rather than > >> later variations in Japan or the West. > >> > >The origins of Reiki begin with Dr Usui! Reiki is merely the name he applied > >to his system. > > > > Has anyone read the "Original Reiki-Handbook of Dr. Mikao Usui" by > Mikao Usui, and Christine M. Grimm (Translator), > > > http://tinyurl.com/33yl8 > > ISBN: 0914955578 (if you want to look it up manually, or just click > the link above) > > > --- > http://seven.postmodern.com > seven at post modern dot com ###### From: seven Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Organization: http://seven.postmodern.com Message-ID: <3nur10t5kri5n3v637jcqrjs05gkq9emu0@4ax.com> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> <401c1dc1.6350156@news.Individual.NET> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.57.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s03 1075706538 67.169.57.204 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:18 GMT Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:18 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!attbi_s03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13368 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:29:41 GMT, gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) wrote: >>Has anyone read the "Original Reiki-Handbook of Dr. Mikao Usui" by >>Mikao Usui, and Christine M. Grimm (Translator), > >Yes. But I think the current research says it was really written by >Hayashi, and he just gave the credit to his teacher, as is common in >Japanese society. > >Anyways, did you have a specific question about it? Just if it was worth the purchase, or if I should try to find a copy to borrow first... am in a bookbuying mood so I wondered. --- http://seven.postmodern.com seven at post modern dot com ###### From: seven Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Organization: http://seven.postmodern.com Message-ID: References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> <401d79b4_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.57.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s02 1075706550 67.169.57.204 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:30 GMT Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:30 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!attbi_s02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13369 On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:12:03 -0000, "Reiki Evolution" wrote: >It's an interesting book, but it doesn't represent the system that Usui was >teaching and most of it has nothing to do with Usui. The hand positions for >different ailments are the work of Dr Hayashi, not Usui. Usui's approach was >simple and intuitive. > >-- >Best wishes, Thanks. --- http://seven.postmodern.com seven at post modern dot com ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:01:40 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <401e3b3e.1205845@news.Individual.NET> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> <401c1dc1.6350156@news.Individual.NET> <3nur10t5kri5n3v637jcqrjs05gkq9emu0@4ax.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0fe.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.1.238) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075722974 30595903 207.69.1.238 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0fe.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13370 On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:18 GMT, seven wrote: >Just if it was worth the purchase, or if I should try to find a copy >to borrow first... am in a bookbuying mood so I wondered. I don't think there was anything earthshattering in it, and, as Taggart mentioned, it's really not Usui-simple but rather Hayashi-hard, where, like a physician, you get into deciding what's wrong and what's the best combination of positions to cure it. Save your money. Borrow a copy first, if you think you might just want it to add to your collection. IMO there's really not anything in it that's terribly helpful. Garry ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:14:55 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <401E3F3F.BF3E2AE1@imbris.com> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> <401c1dc1.6350156@news.Individual.NET> <3nur10t5kri5n3v637jcqrjs05gkq9emu0@4ax.com> <401e3b3e.1205845@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm609-11.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13371 Garry Williams wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:22:18 GMT, seven wrote: > > >Just if it was worth the purchase, or if I should try to find a copy > >to borrow first... am in a bookbuying mood so I wondered. > > I don't think there was anything earthshattering in it, and, as > Taggart mentioned, it's really not Usui-simple but rather > Hayashi-hard, where, like a physician, you get into deciding what's > wrong and what's the best combination of positions to cure it. Save > your money. Borrow a copy first, if you think you might just want it > to add to your collection. IMO there's really not anything in it > that's terribly helpful. Isn't it the one that's posted on several webpages? I think there's one in the reiki section at http://www.threshold.ca sue ###### From: seven Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Organization: http://seven.postmodern.com Message-ID: <052t10tfsegskmumsi7fqopm9vg7fvofdu@4ax.com> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4018c9c7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <0p6o10l4m35c30rlicvsqe6gt7u9ae0a0k@4ax.com> <401c1dc1.6350156@news.Individual.NET> <3nur10t5kri5n3v637jcqrjs05gkq9emu0@4ax.com> <401e3b3e.1205845@news.Individual.NET> <401E3F3F.BF3E2AE1@imbris.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.57.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s01 1075742894 67.169.57.204 (Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:28:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:28:14 GMT Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:28:14 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!attbi_s01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13376 On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:14:55 -0500, suzee wrote: > >Isn't it the one that's posted on several webpages? I think there's one >in the reiki section at http://www.threshold.ca Handy site - thanks. (although not what I was looking for originally) I especially liked the channeling section (though also, it could have been longer). I have quite a few notes I have taken to my own grimmoir on channeling... one of these days I'll put them online. --- http://seven.postmodern.com seven at post modern dot com ###### From: NAbodhi@webtv.net (NA Bodhi) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:21:01 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <20644-40203AED-3@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net> References: <40197d91_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQnpu53FyFr+qFmoloBG3yMMGjzEwIUCnVcwoWAoGKlWlOPG+VuAgez2fk= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13402 Taggart, Thanks for sharing the information. I can take what I need and leave the rest. Peace, Monica ###### From: gessner@datasmiths.com (-=-gess-=-) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: 5 Feb 2004 14:42:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <68087810.0402051442.52cef61a@posting.google.com> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET> <4018ca2f_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4019a705.1156503@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.84.243.204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1076020939 30065 127.0.0.1 (5 Feb 2004 22:42:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13473 All of that was great, but I am still confused. First off, as we all know and were taught at a very young age I am sure, passing knowledge be it in the form of documentation, verbal coorespondence etc is VERY inaccurate. How can anyone claim the validity of any single person's recollection of "what happened" years, decades, centuries ago? I have done my fair share of theological study, and think some of the unstated assumptions apply in any school of thought, including Reiki. My belief is: Who the hell knows what really happened regarding the origins of reiki? No-one! But, that does not mean that we should not investigate its validity to change or enlighten each of us. Right? On the other hand, to say to anyone, "You don't know if what that person said to you is valid" is meaningless. I can tell anyone 10 things they you in that you have no proof exist, but that doesn't make the person wrong for believing in these things does it? Just like Christianity or buddhism, or hinduism, reiki is a valuable "concept" that can help enlighten our sense of self, and/or neglect their of. Who cares if everything you have been taught is completely accurate? Ok, I am ready for a fight. Fire away. I will run to the dark corner and wait for the daggers, or in Garry's case the Taiji sword. :-) ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: the precepts Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:13:45 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4022f75f.1280642@news.Individual.NET> References: <40182289_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <40184e1a.3147719@news.Individual.NET> <4018ca2f_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <4019a705.1156503@news.Individual.NET> <68087810.0402051442.52cef61a@posting.google.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0hj.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.2.51) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1076033285 33078205 I 207.69.2.51 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0hj.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13480 On 5 Feb 2004 14:42:18 -0800, gessner@datasmiths.com (-=-gess-=-) wrote: >Just like Christianity or buddhism, or hinduism, reiki is a valuable >"concept" that can help enlighten our sense of self, and/or neglect >their of. Who cares if everything you have been taught is completely >accurate? Curiousity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back. >Ok, I am ready for a fight. Fire away. I will run to the dark corner >and wait for the daggers, or in Garry's case the Taiji sword. :-) Sorry to disappoint; it'll take more than that to get me riled up. ;-) Say goodnight, Gracie! Goodnight, Gracie!