From: "michael" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Reiki energy flow Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:35:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.143.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1075257357 144.134.143.11 (Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:35:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:35:57 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13172 Hi all I had a discussion last night at a spiritual meeting with a fellow "master". I said Reiki energy is coloured/affected by other energies based on ourselves/experiences/intenet. Although she did not understand it that way, her impression is that the energy is always "purified" by the Reiki. I promised I would seek feedback on this group. Regards - Michael ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:31:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075296701 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:31:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:31:41 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13180 Hi Michael, First Reiki is not a specific energy it is the name Dr Usui decided to call his system of access Life force energy. Second is that the manner in which the energy is "Perceived" by various people. It is different for "Everyone"! The creative genius and writing ability of many people is fun to read but it is "Imagination" not fact. The act of using the Reiki system is wonderful but I personally believe the Energy is unchanged by man, before, during and after. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "michael" wrote in message news:heFRb.31346$Wa.16407@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Hi all > I had a discussion last night at a spiritual meeting with a fellow "master". > I said Reiki energy is coloured/affected by other energies based on > ourselves/experiences/intenet. > Although she did not understand it that way, her impression is that the > energy is always "purified" by the Reiki. > I promised I would seek feedback on this group. > Regards - Michael > > > > ###### Message-ID: <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 69 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:15:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075317323 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:15:23 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:15:23 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13189 Hello ShadowWolf, ShadowWolf wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > First Reiki is not a specific energy it is the name Dr Usui decided to call > his system of access Life force energy. IYO, Is it correct to refer to the energy as reiki & the system as Reiki? I know this has been discussed here before, but I thought this may get another discussion going. :) > Second is that the manner in which the energy is "Perceived" by various > people. > It is different for "Everyone"! May I add it is the *same* energy, it is the individuals perception that differs. :) > The creative genius and writing ability of many people is fun to read but it > is "Imagination" not fact. Imagination & the Perception of the writer. > The act of using the Reiki system is wonderful but I personally believe the > Energy is unchanged by man, before, during and after. My 'Perception & Experience' is that the energy *is* changed by humans, animals, plants & other unperceived forces. I have 'perceived' (Seen & Felt) *changes* in the energy often during my life. ^..^ Though to the question of 'purifying' the energy, I have to wonder what impurities a person would think could be in the energy that would need to be purified. ^_^ GramPaHugs, Alex, > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > > "michael" wrote in message > news:heFRb.31346$Wa.16407@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > Hi all > > I had a discussion last night at a spiritual meeting with a fellow > "master". > > I said Reiki energy is coloured/affected by other energies based on > > ourselves/experiences/intenet. > > Although she did not understand it that way, her impression is that the > > energy is always "purified" by the Reiki. > > I promised I would seek feedback on this group. > > Regards - Michael -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 102 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:33:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075329190 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:33:10 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:33:10 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13196 Hi Alex, > > First Reiki is not a specific energy it is the name Dr Usui decided to call > > his system of access Life force energy. > > IYO, Is it correct to refer to the energy as reiki & the system as Reiki? I know > this has been discussed here before, but I thought this may get another > discussion going. :) > It isn't really my place to determiner for everyone what is correct and what is not, far better for them to figure it out themselves. (Great cop out hey?) Really it would seem that it is correct to call the energy Reiki if we also admit that the Life force is called by many names, such as KI, Chi, Pranna, etc but all we are doing is creating confusion for those who come after us. > > Second is that the manner in which the energy is "Perceived" by various > > people. > > It is different for "Everyone"! > > May I add it is the *same* energy, it is the individuals perception that > differs. :) > Yes, that is exactly what I intended. > > The creative genius and writing ability of many people is fun to read but it > > is "Imagination" not fact. > > Imagination & the Perception of the writer. > If we wish to be a bit more accurate we could state here that all that is written by some writers is not from personal experience but information they gathered from various sources. > > The act of using the Reiki system is wonderful but I personally believe the > > Energy is unchanged by man, before, during and after. > > My 'Perception & Experience' is that the energy *is* changed by humans, animals, > plants & other unperceived forces. I have 'perceived' (Seen & Felt) *changes* in > the energy often during my life. ^..^ > Perhaps it is not the energy that you perceived as "Changed" but merely your perception at that moment. The Universal Life Force Energy is a constant force of creativity. It is complete within itself. We as mere mortals have not the knowledge or ability to change it although our "Ego's" may well be in denial of that. {Smiles} > Though to the question of 'purifying' the energy, I have to wonder what > impurities a person would think could be in the energy that would need to be > purified. ^_^ > I think it it the reverse, the energy attempts to purify us. ShadowWolf > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > > http://www.reiki.net > > > > "michael" wrote in message > > news:heFRb.31346$Wa.16407@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > Hi all > > > I had a discussion last night at a spiritual meeting with a fellow > > "master". > > > I said Reiki energy is coloured/affected by other energies based on > > > ourselves/experiences/intenet. > > > Although she did not understand it that way, her impression is that the > > > energy is always "purified" by the Reiki. > > > I promised I would seek feedback on this group. > > > Regards - Michael > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * AOL Click > * Don't worry about life, > * you're not going to survive it anyway > **************************************************** > ###### Message-ID: <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 88 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:00:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075338040 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:00:40 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:00:40 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.10.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13202 ShadowWolf wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > > > First Reiki is not a specific energy it is the name Dr Usui decided to > > > call his system of access Life force energy. > > > > IYO, Is it correct to refer to the energy as reiki & the system as Reiki? > > I know this has been discussed here before, > > but I thought this may get another discussion going. :) > > > It isn't really my place to determiner for everyone what is correct and what > is not, far better for them to figure it out themselves. (Great cop out > hey?) Yes, but as you said in another post "A rose by any name is still a rose." > > > The act of using the Reiki system is wonderful but I personally believe > > > the Energy is unchanged by man, before, during and after. > > > > My 'Perception & Experience' is that the energy *is* changed by humans, > > animals, plants & other unperceived forces. I have 'perceived' (Seen & > > Felt) *changes* in the energy often during my life. ^..^ > > > Perhaps it is not the energy that you perceived as "Changed" but merely your > perception at that moment. In my employment as a precision machinist I was able to used my ability to see the UE, even in metal, to achieve levels of precision others couldn't on the same machines. :) > The Universal Life Force Energy is a constant force of creativity. It is > complete within itself. IMO, it is the basic building block of all creation. > We as mere mortals have not the knowledge or ability to change it although > our "Ego's" may well be in denial of that. {Smiles} IMO, it is the 'Ego' that says a person can pass the energy through their self, though I do believe that mental imaging can affect the energy to get the desired effect. To my perception the energy doesn't move but does change it's state. > > Though to the question of 'purifying' the energy, I have to wonder what > > impurities a person would think could be in the energy that would need to > > be purified. ^_^ > > I think it it the reverse, the energy attempts to purify us. To my perception the energy just *Is* & doesn't do anything other than react to stimulus. GramPaHugs, Alex, > ShadowWolf > > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > > > http://www.reiki.net > > > > > > "michael" wrote in message > > > news:heFRb.31346$Wa.16407@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > > Hi all > > > > I had a discussion last night at a spiritual meeting with a fellow > > > "master". > > > > I said Reiki energy is coloured/affected by other energies based on > > > > ourselves/experiences/intenet. > > > > Although she did not understand it that way, her impression is that > the > > > > energy is always "purified" by the Reiki. > > > > I promised I would seek feedback on this group. > > > > Regards - Michael -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 108 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:40:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075380038 65.33.138.52 (Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:40:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:40:38 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13215 -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com... > In my employment as a precision machinist I was able to used my ability to see > the UE, even in metal, to achieve levels of precision others couldn't on the > same machines. :) Having worked in machine shops myself I am wondering how your ability had any effect on whatever was being produced. Could you explain? > > > The Universal Life Force Energy is a constant force of creativity. It is > > complete within itself. > > IMO, it is the basic building block of all creation. > IMO-In actuality it is more than the basic building block. It is the complete process. > > We as mere mortals have not the knowledge or ability to change it although > > our "Ego's" may well be in denial of that. {Smiles} > > IMO, it is the 'Ego' that says a person can pass the energy through their self, > though I do believe that mental imaging can affect the energy to get the desired > effect. To my perception the energy doesn't move but does change it's state. > yes and no, at times it is obvious that certain people are stuck in their Ego when attempting to use Energy and yet there are time and people who are not working from that position. What sperstes the work in the reiki system from the other modalities is that one doesn't need to manipulate or control the energy as they are working as a conduit (channel) unlike something like TT which embodies the concept that the practitioner is able to manipulate the energy by directing it for a specific purpose with their mind. > > > Though to the question of 'purifying' the energy, I have to wonder what > > > impurities a person would think could be in the energy that would need to > > > be purified. ^_^ > > > > I think it it the reverse, the energy attempts to purify us. > > To my perception the energy just *Is* & doesn't do anything other than react to > stimulus. > Interesting however that would mean there is something else present to stimulate it. Since the Life force is the creating force than it was here before mortal man which would mean that man was not the stimuli. of course no one at this time knows how any of this really applies, it is all guess work. Smiles Wolf > GramPaHugs, > Alex, > > > ShadowWolf > > > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > > > > http://www.reiki.net > > > > > > > > "michael" wrote in message > > > > news:heFRb.31346$Wa.16407@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > > > Hi all > > > > > I had a discussion last night at a spiritual meeting with a fellow > > > > "master". > > > > > I said Reiki energy is coloured/affected by other energies based on > > > > > ourselves/experiences/intenet. > > > > > Although she did not understand it that way, her impression is that > > the > > > > > energy is always "purified" by the Reiki. > > > > > I promised I would seek feedback on this group. > > > > > Regards - Michael > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * AOL Click > * Don't worry about life, > * you're not going to survive it anyway > **************************************************** > ###### Message-ID: <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 109 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:01:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075406475 65.30.225.94 (Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:01:15 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:01:15 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13226 ShadowWolf wrote: > > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Alex Barna" wrote in message > news:40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com... > > In my employment as a precision machinist I was able to used my ability to > > see the UE, even in metal, to achieve levels of precision others couldn't > > on the same machines. :) > > Having worked in machine shops myself I am wondering how your ability had > any effect on whatever was being produced. Could you explain? The company I worked 22 years for manufactured Naval weapons. In the 80's after cost+ had been eliminated :) they were unable to produce a new timing & aiming mechanism for one of the systems within the expected cost. The mechanisms were 9" & 12" in dia & consisted of a stack of 4 .125" thick disks with 14 & 16 bearing holes with a accumulated locational error of ±0.0005. The joke around the shop was we were were making wrist watches for the Navy big wigs. I had a reputation for being able to hold tolerances that men with years more experience couldn't so they brought the assemblies to me. I was able to cut the finish machining time from over 40 hrs per unit to less than 9 hrs & 12 hrs because I could see the stress in the plates caused by rough machining & assembly was able to compensate for it. That was just one of the many jobs that I received special recognition for over the years. :) > > > The Universal Life Force Energy is a constant force of creativity. It is > > > complete within itself. > > > > IMO, it is the basic building block of all creation. > > > IMO-In actuality it is more than the basic building block. It is the > complete process. At this point we get into quantum mechanics & how the universe works. :) > > > We as mere mortals have not the knowledge or ability to change it > > > although our "Ego's" may well be in denial of that. {Smiles} > > > > IMO, it is the 'Ego' that says a person can pass the energy through their > > self, though I do believe that mental imaging can affect the energy to get > > the desired effect. To my perception the energy doesn't move but does > > change it's state. > > > yes and no, at times it is obvious that certain people are stuck in their > Ego when attempting to use Energy and yet there are time and people who are > not working from that position. > > What sperstes the work in the reiki system from the other modalities is that > one doesn't need to manipulate or control the energy as they are working as > a conduit (channel) unlike something like TT which embodies the concept that > the practitioner is able to manipulate the energy by directing it for a > specific purpose with their mind. I'm not sure what TT is or how it works but, IMO/IME, from what I have seen all the energy healing systems direct the energy "for a specific purpose with their mind". Even when they 'send' it for the most good they still have a mental image of what they want it to do. > > > I think it it the reverse, the energy attempts to purify us. > > > > To my perception the energy just *Is* & doesn't do anything other than > > react to stimulus. > > > Interesting however that would mean there is something else present to > stimulate it. ^_^ And I'm just as conflicted about what that is as I was 60 years ago. :) > Since the Life force is the creating force than it was here before mortal > man which would mean that man was not the stimuli. True but, that doesn't mean that the brain of thinking beings can't stimulate the LF now. > of course no one at this time knows how any of this really applies, it is > all guess work. Smiles Basically true but it is interesting, to me, to think about. GramPaHugs, Alex, > Wolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 90 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:27:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075462037 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:27:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:27:17 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13249 -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com... > ShadowWolf wrote: > > At this point we get into quantum mechanics & how the universe works. :) > Yes and according to some ofr those people they are working from theory and do not really know which explains why they are always changing their opinions. > > > > What sperstes the work in the reiki system from the other modalities is that > > one doesn't need to manipulate or control the energy as they are working as > > a conduit (channel) unlike something like TT which embodies the concept that > > the practitioner is able to manipulate the energy by directing it for a > > specific purpose with their mind. > > I'm not sure what TT is or how it works but, IMO/IME, from what I have seen all > the energy healing systems direct the energy "for a specific purpose with their > mind". Even when they 'send' it for the most good they still have a mental image > of what they want it to do. > TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more popular variation these days. TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. Reiki on the other hand doesn't need or require anyone to attempt to control it in any manner. sadly today we have people who have mixed up the systems and try to manipulate and or control/direct the energy via the Reiki system which can cause confusion to those who are just learning. The Reiki system allow that the Life force energy is intelligent and that it and the receivers higher self drtermine what is needed at that moment of treatment. It is not the desire or will of the practitioner that determines results. This doesn't mean that the practitioner has no thoughts bout it, only that regardless of their thoughts the energy will do what it ( not the practitioner) determines. "The most difficult thing to learn to do in Reiki is to do nothing" > True but, that doesn't mean that the brain of thinking beings can't stimulate > the LF now. > True enough but what I am pointing out is the difference in the Reiki system vs other touch systems. There is no question of the Power of the mind. > > > Wolf > > > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * AOL Click > * Don't worry about life, > * you're not going to survive it anyway > **************************************************** > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:14:44 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <401b00aa.1433157@news.Individual.NET> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka3a7.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.13.71) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075511367 28686163 207.69.13.71 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka3a7.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13275 On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:27:17 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more >popular variation these days. >TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. >Reiki on the other hand doesn't need or require anyone to attempt to control >it in any manner. > >sadly today we have people who have mixed up the systems and try to >manipulate and or control/direct the energy via the Reiki system which can >cause confusion to those who are just learning. Oh-ho! That should have been an obvious insight for me, but somehow it wasn't until you mentioned it just now. My 2nd degree Reiki teacher just happens to teach both Reiki *and* Therapeutic Touch. Hmmm, I'll have to scrutinize everything she taught me and sort the wheat from the chaff... But thanks to both of you for having this conversation! You never know who will benefit, or how! Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:20:35 GMT Lines: 30 From: suzee Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401b00aa.1433157@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13278 Garry Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:27:17 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > > >TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more > >popular variation these days. > >TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. > >Reiki on the other hand doesn't need or require anyone to attempt to control > >it in any manner. > > > >sadly today we have people who have mixed up the systems and try to > >manipulate and or control/direct the energy via the Reiki system which can > >cause confusion to those who are just learning. > > Oh-ho! That should have been an obvious insight for me, but somehow it > wasn't until you mentioned it just now. My 2nd degree Reiki teacher > just happens to teach both Reiki *and* Therapeutic Touch. Hmmm, I'll > have to scrutinize everything she taught me and sort the wheat from > the chaff... > > But thanks to both of you for having this conversation! You never know > who will benefit, or how! I've had classes in both HT and TT. The energy connection doesn't quite feel the same, and I don't recall that it was said the mind controls the energy. You scan the person's energy field and put your hands where it feels different. Isn't scanning and sending energy to a spot also taught in reiki? sue ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401b00aa.1433157@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 02:35:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075516530 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:35:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:35:30 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13282 "suzee" wrote in message news:ef1a12ce259b24ef60dc4ba722cef6a5@news.teranews.com... > > I've had classes in both HT and TT. The energy connection doesn't quite > feel the same, and I don't recall that it was said the mind controls the > energy. You scan the person's energy field and put your hands where it > feels different. Isn't scanning and sending energy to a spot also taught > in reiki? > > sue > Scanning is another aspect of energy work that was added into the system. It is an interesting but unneeded function. Remember that the Energy utilized in Reiki is supposed to be intelligent and know what is needed, well if we accept that than what exactly is the purpose of doing a scan? Scanning would definitely seem to be needed in any of the other modalities that required an attempt to manipulate and control the energy, or to direct it etc. as in HT or TT. As far as sending energy to a specific spot I have not taught that nor have any of my teachers. The energy goes where it is needed without any conscious control of the practitioner. Obviously it will enter the receiver at the location that is touched but it can and certainly does move through the being as it wishes. This is often noted when a receiver comments they feel tingling ( or something) in an area that you are not actually touching. I think it is a good idea to understand other modalities and learn what you can from them, I do not however hold with attaching them into Reiki. As I have previously over the years, they are worthwhile modalities and you should at the least learn them properly and call them what they are. ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:36:26 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <401BAF5A.3E491907@imbris.com> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401b00aa.1433157@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm793-34.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13287 ShadowWolf wrote: > > "suzee" wrote in message > news:ef1a12ce259b24ef60dc4ba722cef6a5@news.teranews.com... > > > > I've had classes in both HT and TT. The energy connection doesn't quite > > feel the same, and I don't recall that it was said the mind controls the > > energy. You scan the person's energy field and put your hands where it > > feels different. Isn't scanning and sending energy to a spot also taught > > in reiki? > > > > sue > > > > Scanning is another aspect of energy work that was added into the system. It > is an interesting but unneeded function. > Remember that the Energy utilized in Reiki is supposed to be intelligent and > know what is needed, well if we accept that than what exactly is the purpose > of doing a scan? > > Scanning would definitely seem to be needed in any of the other modalities > that required an attempt to manipulate and control the energy, or to direct > it etc. as in HT or TT. > > As far as sending energy to a specific spot I have not taught that nor have > any of my teachers. > > The energy goes where it is needed without any conscious control of the > practitioner. > Obviously it will enter the receiver at the location that is touched but it > can and certainly does move through the being as it wishes. > This is often noted when a receiver comments they feel tingling ( or > something) in an area that you are not actually touching. > > I think it is a good idea to understand other modalities and learn what you > can from them, I do not however hold with attaching them into Reiki. > As I have previously over the years, they are worthwhile modalities and you > should at the least learn them properly and call them what they are. It's said that Takata taught scanning and I believe it's in some of the things she's written. It just wasn't passed on along to all of the second and third generation students. sue ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075568686 29866097 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13303 Comments from a TT practitioner friend in Libby MT [she doesn't know you, sue, but would like to ... :)] (ShadowWolf) wrote: > >TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more > >popular variation these days. > >TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. Julie writes: I am not sure that I agree with that statement. The mind controls energy? In TT Universal energy is sent through the practitioner to the healee. There's no "controlling" as such. TT starts with compassion; I will say that there is intentionality, if that is what you mean by "controlling." To me they aren't the same. In TT the energy can be modulated or directed to a particular spot, but not "controlled" (ShadowWolf) wrote: >Scanning is another aspect of energy work that was added into the system. >It is an interesting but unneeded function. Julie writes: well, that is his opinion. I think that to work best one needs to assess as many aspects of the healee as possible. Use all the sense at your disposal...LOOK at the person. What visible clues are being given? (After all, the vital energy field is constantly interacting with the physical body). Then look for things beyond the readily apparent physical ones. In TT we look for the underlying bases in the energy field itself- that is the purpose of assessment. We're looking for the symmetry, the balance or lack of, in the vital energy field Stuart ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 87 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:15:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075583752 65.33.138.52 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:15:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:15:52 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13314 > Julie writes: > > I am not sure that I agree with that statement. The mind controls > energy? In TT Universal energy is sent through the practitioner to the > healee. There's no "controlling" as such. TT starts with compassion; I > will say that there is intentionality, if that is what you mean by > "controlling." To me they aren't the same. In TT the energy can be > modulated or directed to a particular spot, but not "controlled" Ahh words and their meanings... Controlling, directing, manipulating different words but the effects are in the same direction. Which is exactly one difference in Reiki and TT etc. 2nd: > Julie writes: > > well, that is his opinion. > Of course it is my opinion. smiles > I think that to work best one needs to > assess as many aspects of the healee as possible. If one is aspiring to be a full service alternative practitioner I am in total agreement. But would that not mean that they learn as many modalities properly as possible and not simply use bits and pieces gleened from questionable sources? > Use all the sense at > your disposal...LOOK at the person. What visible clues are being > given? (After all, the vital energy field is constantly interacting > with the physical body). Then look for things beyond the readily apparent > physical ones. In TT we look for the underlying bases in the energy > field itself- that is the purpose of assessment. We're looking for the > symmetry, the balance or lack of, in the vital energy field The above is certainly not a part of Reiki as it means that you as the giver would have to have additional knowledge and be able to diagnose-- (which happens to be illegal here in the US) and is not needed in Reiki anyhow. ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:memo.20040131170444.976P@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > > Comments from a TT practitioner friend in Libby MT [she doesn't know > you, sue, but would like to ... :)] > > (ShadowWolf) wrote: > > > >TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more > > >popular variation these days. > > >TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. > > Julie writes: > > I am not sure that I agree with that statement. The mind controls > energy? In TT Universal energy is sent through the practitioner to the > healee. There's no "controlling" as such. TT starts with compassion; I > will say that there is intentionality, if that is what you mean by > "controlling." To me they aren't the same. In TT the energy can be > modulated or directed to a particular spot, but not "controlled" > > (ShadowWolf) wrote: > > >Scanning is another aspect of energy work that was added into the system. > >It is an interesting but unneeded function. > > Julie writes: > > well, that is his opinion. I think that to work best one needs to > assess as many aspects of the healee as possible. Use all the sense at > your disposal...LOOK at the person. What visible clues are being > given? (After all, the vital energy field is constantly interacting > with the physical body). Then look for things beyond the readily apparent > physical ones. In TT we look for the underlying bases in the energy > field itself- that is the purpose of assessment. We're looking for the > symmetry, the balance or lack of, in the vital energy field > > Stuart > > ###### Message-ID: <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 106 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:19:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075583996 65.30.225.94 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:19:56 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:19:56 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13317 ShadowWolf wrote: > > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Alex Barna" wrote in message > > > At this point we get into quantum mechanics & how the universe works. :) > > > Yes and according to some of those people they are working from theory and > do not really know which explains why they are always changing their > opinions. IMO, Even working with Universal Energy or Universal Life Force or what ever anyone calls it is still only based on theory & even though I can See & Feel it, what I perceive it doing is only my theory devised to explain my perception of it. > > I'm not sure what TT is or how it works but, IMO/IME, from what I have > > seen all the energy healing systems direct the energy "for a specific > > purpose with their mind". Even when they 'send' it for the most good they > > still have a mental image of what they want it to do. > > TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more > popular variation these days. > TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. OK, I didn't think TT or HT were 'Energy work'. I thought that they worked by the natural response of the nervous system to touch. > Reiki on the other hand doesn't need or require anyone to attempt to control > it in any manner. As I see it, Usui Reiki & any of the variations are done in an attempt to control the energy, why else would someone need to learn the methods?? > sadly today we have people who have mixed up the systems and try to > manipulate and or control/direct the energy via the Reiki system which can > cause confusion to those who are just learning. From what I have seen here & reading some web sites I believe it is more of an evolution of a system as well as the mixing up of differing systems. > The Reiki system allow that the Life force energy is intelligent and that it > and the receivers higher self determine what is needed at that moment of > treatment. IMO/IME Life Force Energy is as intelligent as electricity or gravity or any of the other forces that can only be explained in theory. It may appear to be acting from intelligence but is just reacting to the basic cellular needs of the receiver with possible conscious or subconscious guidance by the sender. > It is not the desire or will of the practitioner that determines results. Agreed, it is the ability of the receivers cellular structure to utilize the energy to heal that will determine the results, though IMO/IME guidance doesn't hurt. > This doesn't mean that the practitioner has no thoughts bout it, only that > regardless of their thoughts the energy will do what it ( not the > practitioner) determines. Than why, does this intelligent energy that is only going to do what it thinks is needed, need to be sent? > "The most difficult thing to learn to do in Reiki is to do nothing" > > > True but, that doesn't mean that the brain of thinking beings can't > > stimulate the LF now. > > > True enough but what I am pointing out is the difference in the Reiki system > vs other touch systems. Ok!, I see your point about 'Usui Reiki' as you know it & teach it, though IMO/IME I believe you are giving to much credit to the ULF & not enough to the practitioner, yourself included. :) > There is no question of the Power of the mind. AH!, Somthing we can agree 100% about. GramPaHugs, Alex, > Wolf > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:03:45 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <401C2641.DB174C59@imbris.com> References: Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm724-37.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13318 Stuart Vernon wrote: > > Comments from a TT practitioner friend in Libby MT [she doesn't know > you, sue, but would like to ... :)] Unfortunately for her, I moved to Michigan last fall. Too bad we couldn'ta got together before then. I may move back to Idaho some day. > (ShadowWolf) wrote: > > > >TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more > > >popular variation these days. > > >TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. > > Julie writes: > > I am not sure that I agree with that statement. The mind controls > energy? In TT Universal energy is sent through the practitioner to the > healee. There's no "controlling" as such. TT starts with compassion; I > will say that there is intentionality, if that is what you mean by > "controlling." To me they aren't the same. In TT the energy can be > modulated or directed to a particular spot, but not "controlled" That's what I recall from the classes I took. > (ShadowWolf) wrote: > > >Scanning is another aspect of energy work that was added into the system. > >It is an interesting but unneeded function. He wrote that in response to my question about scanning being taught in reiki, not scanning in TT. SW thinks it was an add-on, or of questionable origin and not from Takata. But I seem to recall that she did teach at least some of her students to scan the body. ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:07:58 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm724-37.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13319 Alex Barna wrote: > > ShadowWolf wrote: > > "Alex Barna" wrote in message > > > > I'm not sure what TT is or how it works but, IMO/IME, from what I have > > > seen all the energy healing systems direct the energy "for a specific > > > purpose with their mind". Even when they 'send' it for the most good they > > > still have a mental image of what they want it to do. > > > > TT equals Theraputic Touch which preseded Healing Touch which is a more > > popular variation these days. > > TT or HT work from the premise that the mind controls the energy. > > OK, I didn't think TT or HT were 'Energy work'. I thought that they worked by > the natural response of the nervous system to touch. Most of the time, the practioner works in the aura field with hands off the body. Massage is more likely to get a response from the nervous system. sue ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:23:40 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-223.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13322 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:19:56 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > >> Reiki on the other hand doesn't need or require anyone to attempt to control >> it in any manner. > >As I see it, Usui Reiki & any of the variations are done in an attempt to >control the energy, why else would someone need to learn the methods?? > If all energy healers (and using a broad definition, this might include the so-called "psychic surgeons") are working with ULE in some way, the impressive outcomes that have been described must be associated with either the healers themselves or the *methods* -- in those cases where the healers are known to have been the catalyst for a high proportion of remarkable outcomes. My friend Garry often says "paper doesn't refuse ink" -- meaning that written descriptions of such occurences might be exaggerrated (poor observation) or concocted. Personally, I haven't witnessed healings such as the sort I'm referring to, but I've known two people who have experienced them (been healed in a single session). Plus, some of the literature about the subject reads plausbily, and does not seem like either bad observation or someone attempting to deceive due to any ulterior motive. > >> The Reiki system allow that the Life force energy is intelligent and that it >> and the receivers higher self determine what is needed at that moment of >> treatment. > >IMO/IME Life Force Energy is as intelligent as electricity or gravity or any of >the other forces that can only be explained in theory. It may appear to be >acting from intelligence but is just reacting to the basic cellular needs of the >receiver with possible conscious or subconscious guidance by the sender. > The consciousness explorer and writer Doug Boyd (at one time on the staff of the Menninger Institute, Topeka) described the hands-on energy healing practiced by Jison Sensei, and the discussion made it sound like Jison used a meditation-based approach. The rapid results might have been due to the "intelligence" of the energy, but Jison's devotion to long meditation prace suggests to me that his mental intent was involved. > >Agreed, it is the ability of the receivers cellular structure to utilize the >energy to heal that will determine the results, though IMO/IME guidance doesn't >hurt. > >> This doesn't mean that the practitioner has no thoughts bout it, only that >> regardless of their thoughts the energy will do what it ( not the >> practitioner) determines. > Yes, my guess is that indeed it does not hurt and with certain healing approaches may actually be integral. >> > True but, that doesn't mean that the brain of thinking beings can't >> > stimulate the LF now. I believe this must be true. Blessings, montane ###### Message-ID: <401C341A.8B285563@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:04:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075590254 65.30.225.94 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:04:14 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:04:14 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13323 Hi Sue, suzee wrote: > > Alex Barna wrote: > > OK, I didn't think TT or HT were 'Energy work'. I thought that they > > worked by the natural response of the nervous system to touch. > > Most of the time, the practioner works in the aura field with hands off > the body. Massage is more likely to get a response from the nervous > system. IME, the aura field is generated by & is part of the electric field of the nervous system. (I learned that while playing around with an oscilloscope & hi-gain probes) If I understand what is being said, TT & HT work with the bio-electric field while Usui Reiki & related practices work with UE which our current technology can't detect or measure. GramPaHugs, Alex, > sue -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:29:12 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <401C3A48.CE1A43E5@imbris.com> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> <401C341A.8B285563@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm724-37.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13324 Alex Barna wrote: > > Hi Sue, > > suzee wrote: > > > > Alex Barna wrote: > > > > OK, I didn't think TT or HT were 'Energy work'. I thought that they > > > worked by the natural response of the nervous system to touch. > > > > Most of the time, the practioner works in the aura field with hands off > > the body. Massage is more likely to get a response from the nervous > > system. > > IME, the aura field is generated by & is part of the electric field of the > nervous system. (I learned that while playing around with an oscilloscope & > hi-gain probes) > > If I understand what is being said, TT & HT work with the bio-electric field > while Usui Reiki & related practices work with UE which our current technology > can't detect or measure. They both work to rebalance the body's energy, IMO. Whether they both use a little of each type of energy, I'm not sure. Perhaps Stu's TT practioner friend could comment. sue ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:32:52 GMT Lines: 45 Message-ID: <401c5528.667607@news.Individual.NET> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> <401C341A.8B285563@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0ta.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.3.170) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075598851 30472390 207.69.3.170 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0ta.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13325 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:04:14 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: >Hi Sue, > >suzee wrote: >> >> Alex Barna wrote: > >> > OK, I didn't think TT or HT were 'Energy work'. I thought that they >> > worked by the natural response of the nervous system to touch. >> >> Most of the time, the practioner works in the aura field with hands off >> the body. Massage is more likely to get a response from the nervous >> system. > >IME, the aura field is generated by & is part of the electric field of the >nervous system. (I learned that while playing around with an oscilloscope & >hi-gain probes) > >If I understand what is being said, TT & HT work with the bio-electric field >while Usui Reiki & related practices work with UE which our current technology >can't detect or measure. So, Alex, you are saying that in your perception/experience, our bio-electric field and UE are not two aspects or examples of the same thing? Can you describe to us a little more about how you perceive the differences in "concentration" (for lack of a better word) of UE around humans, animals, plants, rocks, dirt, and Mother Earth herself? Up until just now, I thought the best scientific explanation going was that summarized in Oschman's books and paper, that what we are working with is the Earth's own electric/magnetic field, and we "healers" (healing facilitators might be a better choice of words) have simply learned to tap into and relay the Earth's field, in which all of us living things evolved, rather like an iron nail concentrates the lines of magnetic force from a coil of wire. By being able to focus this in the neighborhood of an ailing individual, we thereby bring their system back into alignment with the One Great Field of Mother Earth. But I gather that your perceptions throw this idea right out the window? TIA for any comments you might have. Garry ###### Message-ID: <401C6BF5.4E8F9E9@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 81 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:01:09 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075604450 65.30.225.94 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:00:50 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:00:50 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13328 montane wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:19:56 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > >As I see it, Usui Reiki & any of the variations are done in an attempt > >to control the energy, why else would someone need to learn the > >methods?? > > If all energy healers (and using a broad definition, this might > include the so-called "psychic surgeons") I have only met one person that claimed to be a "psychic surgeon" & IMO he was a very good slight of hand magician & con man & nothing more. ^..^ > are working with ULE in some way, > the impressive outcomes that have been described must be > associated with either the healers themselves or the *methods* -- in > those cases where the healers are known to have been the catalyst for > a high proportion of remarkable outcomes. Yes & No, IME any healing is a combination of the 'sender's intent' & the receivers desire to heal. There are many cases of spontaneous healing where no-one has been a 'sender'. > My friend Garry often says "paper doesn't refuse ink" -- meaning that > written descriptions of such occurences might be exaggerrated (poor > observation) or concocted. Or both. :) > Personally, I haven't witnessed healings > such as the sort I'm referring to, but I've known two people who have > experienced them (been healed in a single session). Plus, some of the > literature about the subject reads plausbily, and does not seem like > either bad observation or someone attempting to deceive due to any > ulterior motive. IMO in most cases it would require a look at the source of the info. I personally have healed from injuries much faster that a doctor thought I should & my wife was told it would take close to a year for her to heal after her surgery & she was completely healed in less than a month. > >IMO/IME Life Force Energy is as intelligent as electricity or gravity > >or any of the other forces that can only be explained in theory. It may > >appear to be acting from intelligence but is just reacting to the basic > >cellular needs of the receiver with possible conscious or subconscious > >guidance by the sender. > > The consciousness explorer and writer Doug Boyd (at one time on the > staff of the Menninger Institute, Topeka) described the hands-on > energy healing practiced by Jison Sensei, and the discussion made it > sound like Jison used a meditation-based approach. The rapid results > might have been due to the "intelligence" of the energy, but Jison's > devotion to long meditation prace suggests to me that his mental > intent was involved. IME meditating & getting in the conductive frame of mind gives much better results. GramPaHugs, Alex, > Blessings, > > montane -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### Message-ID: <401C83D1.2EB29BAD@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> <401C341A.8B285563@mn.rr.com> <401c5528.667607@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 76 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:37:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075610262 65.30.225.94 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:37:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:37:42 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13331 Garry Williams wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:04:14 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > >IME, the aura field is generated by & is part of the electric field of > >the nervous system. (I learned that while playing around with an > >oscilloscope & hi-gain probes) > > > >If I understand what is being said, TT & HT work with the bio-electric > >field while Usui Reiki & related practices work with UE which our > >current technology can't detect or measure. > > So, Alex, you are saying that in your perception/experience, our > bio-electric field and UE are not two aspects or examples of the same > thing? Correct, that is *my* perception/experience & the conclusion I reached after years of trying to figure out how they interact with each other. > Can you describe to us a little more about how you perceive the > differences in "concentration" (for lack of a better word) of UE > around humans, animals, plants, rocks, dirt, and Mother Earth herself? As I have said before words lack so much when trying to express a visual experience. I use the words 'Golden Mist' but UE doesn't behave like a 'mist' or fog. I 'see' it as fixed and unmoving like having glasses with gold tinted lenses. In general around healthy people, fauna, flora & rich black dirt I perceive it as Vibrant Gold like polished jewelry. Unhealthy p, f, f & soil are more of a dull coppery gold to copper brown. Rocks & Mother earth vary from a bright yellow gold to a dull copper brown except along what I guess are called lei lines where the UE is a vibrant gold. > Up until just now, I thought the best scientific explanation going was > that summarized in Oschman's books and paper, that what we are working > with is the Earth's own electric/magnetic field, and we "healers" > (healing facilitators might be a better choice of words) have simply > learned to tap into and relay the Earth's field, in which all of us > living things evolved, rather like an iron nail concentrates the lines > of magnetic force from a coil of wire. By being able to focus this in > the neighborhood of an ailing individual, we thereby bring their > system back into alignment with the One Great Field of Mother Earth. > But I gather that your perceptions throw this idea right out the > window? I can't say that that idea is wrong because as I perceive UE it is affected by bio-electric & the Earth's magnetic fields. Though when UE is *sent* I don't perceive it as actually moving but more as quantum effect of instant change at the site of reception. The closest explanation I have seen is described at: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/23jan_entangled.htm?list6902 When we held the group attunement's I perceived it as the UE around me changing, not as UE or EMF arriving at my location. It was like dropping a stone in still waters & watching the ripples I created move away from me & the ripples the others created arrive here. Hope my explanation is understandable. ^_^ GramPaHugs, Alex, > TIA for any comments you might have. > > Garry -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:26:02 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4dap105oa0hf4c0nl8g04s5eh2pq7h5h1o@4ax.com> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C6BF5.4E8F9E9@mn.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-460.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13332 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:01:09 -0600, Alex Barna wrote: >> >> If all energy healers (and using a broad definition, this might >> include the so-called "psychic surgeons") > >I have only met one person that claimed to be a "psychic surgeon" & IMO he was a >very good slight of hand magician & con man & nothing more. ^..^ > Are you referring to one of the Brazilian or Philippine healers? montane ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <401C83D1.2EB29BAD@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075631921 29373736 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13333 (Alex Barna) wrote: > The closest explanation I have seen is described at: > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/23jan_entangled.htm?list6902 Nice link Alex .. demonstrates the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox (aka Bell's Theorem) .. which, to me, is a "scientific" basis for distant healing / attunement ... and satisfies my ego ... ;) Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075633016 29737591 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13334 PS Alex ... have you read ... http://www.cix.co.uk/~stuv/Reikipapers.htm ? Stuart ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:50:56 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <401cf3f9.2265834@news.Individual.NET> References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> <401C341A.8B285563@mn.rr.com> <401c5528.667607@news.Individual.NET> <401C83D1.2EB29BAD@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka004.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.0.4) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075639533 28746917 207.69.0.4 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka004.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13336 On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:37:42 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: >I can't say that that idea is wrong because as I perceive UE it is affected by >bio-electric & the Earth's magnetic fields. Though when UE is *sent* I don't >perceive it as actually moving but more as quantum effect of instant change at >the site of reception. The closest explanation I have seen is described at: >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/23jan_entangled.htm?list6902 Thanks for the link! More tasty food for thought. Mmmmmm! >When we held the group attunement's I perceived it as the UE around me changing, >not as UE or EMF arriving at my location. It was like dropping a stone in still >waters & watching the ripples I created move away from me & the ripples the >others created arrive here. Interesting. When you look at ley lines, do you see any fluctations, or are they always constant and unchanging? >Hope my explanation is understandable. ^_^ Well, it *seems* I understand what you mean, but without having the same kind of perception you do, it makes it harder to check. :-) Thanks again for sharing! Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:27:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075642036 65.33.138.52 (Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:27:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:27:16 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13340 -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net > > Most of the time, the practioner works in the aura field with hands off > the body. Massage is more likely to get a response from the nervous > system. > > sue > Working close to the body (hands Off) is taught but Hands On the body has always been the norm, at least with all the people I have been in contact with over the years. ###### Message-ID: <401D5B24.80E77A86@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:56:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075665379 65.30.225.94 (Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:56:19 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:56:19 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13348 Hi Stuart, Stuart Vernon wrote: > > PS Alex ... have you read ... > > http://www.cix.co.uk/~stuv/Reikipapers.htm > > ? > > Stuart I hadn't but just did a skim of "Reiki: Esoteric Therapy Or Quantum Interaction?" & will have to study it more in depth. I'm not sure if it validates my theories or just proves I'm not the only nut case that has reached these conclusions. :) GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <401D5B24.80E77A86@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1075666582 29759946 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!spr1-bolt3-3-0-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13349 (Alex Barna) wrote: > I'm not sure if it validates my theories or just proves I'm not the > only nut case that has reached these conclusions. :) Alex ... we're *all* nuts ... ;) Stuart ###### Message-ID: <401D6DA1.FE4A2C82@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C273E.C735F1D0@imbris.com> <401C341A.8B285563@mn.rr.com> <401c5528.667607@news.Individual.NET> <401C83D1.2EB29BAD@mn.rr.com> <401cf3f9.2265834@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:21:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075670517 65.30.225.94 (Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:21:57 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:21:57 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.usenetserver.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13350 Hi Garry, Garry Williams wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:37:42 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > > > The closest explanation I have seen is described at: > >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/23jan_entangled.htm?list6902 > > Thanks for the link! More tasty food for thought. Mmmmmm! I found the link Stuart posted interesting also. > >When we held the group attunement's I perceived it as the UE around me > >changing, not as UE or EMF arriving at my location. It was like > >dropping a stone in still waters & watching the ripples I created move > >away from me & the ripples the others created arrive here. > > Interesting. When you look at ley lines, do you see any fluctations, > or are they always constant and unchanging? When I was young I thought they were alive they move & fluctuate so much. Recently I found they & the magnetic poles are moving around all the time. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/03dec_magneticcracks.htm?list6902 > >Hope my explanation is understandable. ^_^ > > Well, it *seems* I understand what you mean, but without having the > same kind of perception you do, it makes it harder to check. :-) Having been taught often that it isn't safe to discuss what I see, I haven't thought of how to describe it to others. It's like trying to describe a sunset to a person that has been blind since birth. GramPaHugs, Alex, > Thanks again for sharing! > > Love and Light, > > Garry > -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### Message-ID: <401D70A0.93A5D7CC@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki energy flow References: <1RORb.134508$I05.2513387@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <40180B85.2B71D83C@mn.rr.com> <40185C74.A491655F@mn.rr.com> <401967C5.78AD893A@mn.rr.com> <401C1D3B.37862B06@mn.rr.com> <401C6BF5.4E8F9E9@mn.rr.com> <4dap105oa0hf4c0nl8g04s5eh2pq7h5h1o@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:34:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1075671283 65.30.225.94 (Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:34:43 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:34:43 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13351 montane wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:01:09 -0600, Alex Barna > wrote: > > >> > >> If all energy healers (and using a broad definition, this might > >> include the so-called "psychic surgeons") > > > >I have only met one person that claimed to be a "psychic surgeon" & IMO > >he was a very good slight of hand magician & con man & nothing more. > > ^..^ > > Are you referring to one of the Brazilian or Philippine healers? > > montane Neither. He was a neighbor of my sister & BIL when they lived in California. He came here to visit them because my sister had told him about me & some of the things I could do. GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway ****************************************************