From: "Ruben" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Singular attunement -- YEAH! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:41:30 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Organization: Versatel NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2004 21:41:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dslam27-162-59-81.dyndsl.zonnet.nl X-Trace: 1074894099 news.versatel.net 30963 81.59.162.27:3419 X-Complaints-To: abuse@versatel.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.versatel.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13009 http://rainbowman.com/wellness/attune01.htm I did it. I'm so excited. All I had to do was be ready at a monday at 9 pm and say really clearly to myself that wanted it. (3 times to be sure) And presto! Reiki 1,2 and 3! I felt nothing. no discomfort afterwards either (except a lot of thirst) But everything seems to work. I can do the ROTW thing now and hands on is like kicking a bucket over. What really strikes me is that I feel so mentally balanced. My theory on that is that Reiki 1 only energized some of my "lightbodies" I like what this guy says about the subject http://members.aol.com/reikiheals/reiki/path.htm ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! From: Sean White References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 24 Jan 2004 12:32:05 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074909725 ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (24 Jan 2004 12:32:05 +1050) Lines: 75 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13021 Hi Ruben, I agree that some people may be fine to attune all three levels in one go, however I don't agree that the reason why they are often not is because of power control and ego. In some case it may be okay, but there are some good reasons why it's not a good idea to attune someone to all three levels and then teach them little to nothing and then turn them loose. Personally, I don't confer all three levels in one go very often because it's wasted on the student as they don't know how to employ it. Further, the attunements should be changing your auric body and even go so far as to change your physical body somewhat - a decent initiation is too much for a student. If you're pretty good initiator however, the first level attunment can be just as powerful as the third - it depends on the teacher and the student, not on the actual attunement processes however they are done or whatever ritual is used. In this way, the first gives them the energy and shows them how to treat, the second introduces them to the symbols, and the third teaches them the attunements. You could break it down into seven levels if you liked or any other number really - it's not important so long as the person is initiated well. Incidentally, a first or second degree initiate can actually initiate people - but just like a bad third degree initiate, it doesn't work very well. Most people (even most Reiki teachers) don't know this. At the moment, you've recieved all the initiation levels, and yet, you likely can not sense Reiki much or remember the symbols, not to forget be able to use them. You probably don't know any of the variations on hand positions, and will likely not have the confidence or ability to treat a person "free form" either. It's very doubtful that you can beam, scan or diagnose - let alone understand most of what I'm talking about. The only likely way you're going to be able to learn any of this is if you're lucky enough to find out that you're missing imporatant treatment skills. Then you'll have to resort to a forum of people taught by your teacher who are just as badly taught as yourself, and who will have all sorts of varying and conflicting ideas. You might say that the symbols are unnecessary, but that's only true once you've progressed beyond needing them. At first, they are very good training wheels. Most importantly, your ability as a Reiki practitioner and initiator is not proficient at all, and you'll likely be initiating other teachers soon who will be just as lacking in skill as you are, who will also likely be just as opinionated as uninformed as you are. Their abilty to channel reiki will also be very likely unremarkable. I don't see how this helps your competence as a practitioner at all. Also, don't forget, that the point of reiki is to treat people, not to recieve or give initiatations. This being the case, how good have you become at treating anyone? You've gotten your distant attunement, but likely have not treated more than one or two people and not even properly! For all these reasons, it really is best to learn in person where possible, and if you are attuned by distant attunement, I think you're selling ourself short by not learning from someone who is prepared to invest the time in you so that you end up knowing what you're doing. Your teacher should be more committed to making you the best Reiki practitioner and teacher you can be. I advise you to find one that's prepared to teach you properly and generously. Sean "Ruben" wrote in news:40119512$0$30963 $7eb43735@news.versatel.net: > http://members.aol.com/reikiheals/reiki/path.htm ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! Lines: 213 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:38:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074947912 65.33.138.52 (Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:38:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:38:32 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13029 -- ShadowWolf comments: http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Sean White" wrote in message news:Xns947A84ED09557sean@203.16.214.244... > Hi Ruben, > I agree that some people may be fine to attune all three levels in > one go, however I don't agree that the reason why they are often not is > because of power control and ego. In some case it may be okay, but there > are some good reasons why it's not a good idea to attune someone to all > three levels and then teach them little to nothing and then turn them > loose. > The simple truth is that "Everyone" can be effectively initiated/attuned to the full empowerment of the reiki system without the said attunement process having anything whatsoever to do with how the use of Reiki is taught by any given teacher. The attunement and the teaching are two totally differant items. What is apparent is that some people do not take the time to learn the material they are offered but these same people would most likely disregard the material they received in a formal class shortly after leaving it. Perhaps because much of what is taught by some teachers in formal classes is "BS". > Personally, I don't confer all three levels in one go very often because > it's wasted on the student as they don't know how to employ it. Further, > the attunements should be changing your auric body and even go so far as > to change your physical body somewhat - a decent initiation is too much > for a student. > Perception, Perception, Perception !!! Assumption, Assumption, Assumption !!! Ego, Ego, Ego !!! Using the system of Reiki is really so simple a child can do it. It is a natural ability that lies within all beings, it is not a gift from another person. The degree of ability to function can not be controled by the initiator unless they are able to convince the receiver that they are limited by verbally misrepresentating their own abilities. To wit: Anyone who has already received the attunement designated as Reiki level one can function within the parameters of a Reiki master without receiving any additional initiations/attunements. All that is missing is the practical experience which can only be gained by actual hands on practice. > If you're pretty good initiator however, the first level attunment can > be just as powerful as the third - it depends on the teacher and the > student, not on the actual attunement processes however they are done or > whatever ritual is used. In this way, the first gives them the energy > and shows them how to treat, the second introduces them to the symbols, > and the third teaches them the attunements. You could break it down into > seven levels if you liked or any other number really - it's not > important so long as the person is initiated well. > Using your own description above it should be clear that the only differance is what you are willing to tell your student from the start. Some reiki Masters have used seven or more attunement levels (Barbara Ray Weber as an example) > Incidentally, a first or second degree initiate can actually initiate > people - but just like a bad third degree initiate, it doesn't work very > well. Most people (even most Reiki teachers) don't know this. > The above has been a topic of this list in the past so I imagine given the numer of people who frequent this newslist that there are many Master who do know this fact. I recall doing a post back a few years ago in which I stated that anyone who wanted to try the initiation (previously attuned or not) process could do so. There was at least one person, a reiki one who went to the trouble of trying it and was successful according to his reply post. I have no reason to doubt that person. > At the moment, you've recieved all the initiation levels, and yet, you > likely can not sense Reiki much or remember the symbols, not to forget > be able to use them. He has received all the initiations but he has not received experience which I trust he understands and which incidently is mentioned at the site he received his initiation from. >You probably don't know any of the variations on > hand positions, and will likely not have the confidence or ability to > treat a person "free form" either.< What an assumption you are making. Why do you think his teacher would not share that info with him? >It's very doubtful that you can beam, > scan or diagnose - let alone understand most of what I'm talking about. < Assumptions and unbelievable "EGO". Come on Sean, you are not talking about any great secrets. It is all basic stuff with a lot of BS thrown in. On a more important subject!!! {diagnose} this is a definate NO! NO! NO! reiki doesn't require any dignosing and in fact here in the US it is Illigal to attempt to do so unless you are a member of the Medical Profession!! You may be able to sence that there is something happening when you are sharing energy but that is not an indication that you know exactly what is going on, only that something is happening. All you can do is guess and I would not want you or anyone "Guessing" what was wrong with me. (bad enough the Doctors do that) > The only likely way you're going to be able to learn any of this is if > you're lucky enough to find out that you're missing imporatant treatment > skills. Then you'll have to resort to a forum of people taught by your > teacher who are just as badly taught as yourself, and who will have all > sorts of varying and conflicting ideas. > He or anyone can learn from sharing treatments and from many of the on-line teachers and reiki people who share freely or for nominal costs. Home study is an accepted means of learning most anything these days. Check the many Universities that use it. > You might say that the symbols are unnecessary, but that's only true > once you've progressed beyond needing them. At first, they are very good > training wheels. > Ha ha, so they are taught to be used in a formal class and yet once the stud ent learns about them he than learns he doesn't need them. A reiki level one performs treatments on others with no symbols known to him, the results can be astounding even spontanous. There is no improvement in the results with the use of symbols. The greatest use of symbols is that they can be used as a distraction for the giver when doing treatments so that they do not continue to attempt to control or manipulate the energy and allow it to function as it deems is needed by the receiver. In other words to help them be a "Clean Bone" or "Clear Channel". > Most importantly, your ability as a Reiki practitioner and initiator is > not proficient at all, and you'll likely be initiating other teachers > soon who will be just as lacking in skill as you are, who will also > likely be just as opinionated as uninformed as you are. Their abilty to > channel reiki will also be very likely unremarkable. > Wow, slow down here will you. Talk about opinionated and uninformed. Talk about trying to manipulate the abilities of others. He has only mentioned he fees a differance since receiving, not that he is some experienced teacher. Of course he will need time to learn just the same as after leaving a workshop he will need to learn from actual experiences. Look, I learned in formal classes, and not just Reiki. The school I attended also taught many alternative modalities which I took classes in. So much of what is taught in current reiki classes has nothing to do with doing Reiki. > I don't see how this helps your competence as a practitioner at all. > Also, don't forget, that the point of reiki is to treat people, not to > recieve or give initiatations. This being the case, how good have you > become at treating anyone? You've gotten your distant attunement, but > likely have not treated more than one or two people and not even > properly! > Give the man time will you? > For all these reasons, it really is best to learn in person where > possible, and if you are attuned by distant attunement, I think you're > selling ourself short by not learning from someone who is prepared to > invest the time in you so that you end up knowing what you're doing. > Oh Please! When the class is over the students go home and than they have to start learning on their own. I could not even begin to remember the last time I had contact with any of my teachers. > Your teacher should be more committed to making you the best Reiki > practitioner and teacher you can be. I advise you to find one that's > prepared to teach you properly and generously. > > Sean > Hopefully one who isn't so opinionated. > > "Ruben" wrote in news:40119512$0$30963 > $7eb43735@news.versatel.net: > > > http://members.aol.com/reikiheals/reiki/path.htm > > ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! From: Sean White References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 25 Jan 2004 01:21:10 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074955870 ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (25 Jan 2004 01:21:10 +1050) Lines: 338 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13037 "ShadowWolf" wrote in news:cHtQb.102462$I05.1986283@twister.tampabay.rr.com: > -- > ShadowWolf comments: > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Sean White" wrote in message > news:Xns947A84ED09557sean@203.16.214.244... >> Hi Ruben, >> I agree that some people may be fine to attune all three levels >> in >> one go, however I don't agree that the reason why they are often not >> is because of power control and ego. In some case it may be okay, but >> there are some good reasons why it's not a good idea to attune >> someone to all three levels and then teach them little to nothing and >> then turn them loose. >> > > The simple truth is that "Everyone" can be effectively > initiated/attuned to the full empowerment of the reiki system without > the said attunement process having anything whatsoever to do with how > the use of Reiki is taught by any given teacher. > The attunement and the teaching are two totally differant items. > > What is apparent is that some people do not take the time to learn the > material they are offered but these same people would most likely > disregard the material they received in a formal class shortly after > leaving it. > > Perhaps because much of what is taught by some teachers in formal > classes is "BS". I couldn't agree with you more. > > >> Personally, I don't confer all three levels in one go very often >> because it's wasted on the student as they don't know how to employ >> it. Further, the attunements should be changing your auric body and >> even go so far as to change your physical body somewhat - a decent >> initiation is too much for a student. >> > Perception, Perception, Perception !!! > > Assumption, Assumption, Assumption !!! > > Ego, Ego, Ego !!! So tell me ShadowWolf how exactly are your comments about my comments not the exact same thing? This must be a board for people who point the finger, and yet somehow think they're excluded! Of course it's perception, of course it's an assumption, of course it's my ego that says it. You also have a gift for stating the obvious my friend. > > Using the system of Reiki is really so simple a child can do it. > It is a natural ability that lies within all beings, it is not a gift > from another person. > The degree of ability to function can not be controled by the > initiator unless they are able to > convince the receiver that they are limited by verbally > misrepresentating their own abilities. > To wit: > Anyone who has already received the attunement designated as Reiki > level one can function within the parameters of a Reiki master without > receiving any additional initiations/attunements. Depending on the level of energy that they've been given that is - in most cases, a level one can certainly initiate but couldn't produce inititiates that can channel or initiate very well. As I said earlier though, this isn't always the case. > > All that is missing is the practical experience which can only be > gained by actual hands on practice. > > >> If you're pretty good initiator however, the first level attunment >> can be just as powerful as the third - it depends on the teacher and >> the student, not on the actual attunement processes however they are >> done or whatever ritual is used. In this way, the first gives them >> the energy and shows them how to treat, the second introduces them to >> the symbols, and the third teaches them the attunements. You could >> break it down into seven levels if you liked or any other number >> really - it's not important so long as the person is initiated well. >> > Using your own description above it should be clear that the only > differance is what you are willing to tell your student from the > start. Some reiki Masters have used seven or more attunement levels > (Barbara Ray Weber as an example) Yeah, the dreaded 3A of Radiance. I'm personally willing to tell them all that I possibly can and don't believe anyone should withold Reiki teachings whatsoever. However, Reiki is not always like this at all as it's very rare that a first level initiate can channel as well as a third level - it's generally unheard of. Unless we're talking another lineage that's merged into the teacher's Reiki such as skhm or seichim, terra-mai etc. Traditional Reiki doesn't do it. > > >> Incidentally, a first or second degree initiate can actually initiate >> people - but just like a bad third degree initiate, it doesn't work >> very well. Most people (even most Reiki teachers) don't know this. >> > The above has been a topic of this list in the past so I imagine given > the numer of people who frequent this newslist that there are many > Master who do know this fact. > I recall doing a post back a few years ago in which I stated that > anyone who wanted to try the initiation (previously attuned or not) > process could do so. > There was at least one person, a reiki one who went to the trouble of > trying it and was successful according to his reply post. > > I have no reason to doubt that person. Yep, I agree. Takata knew about it too. > > >> At the moment, you've recieved all the initiation levels, and yet, >> you likely can not sense Reiki much or remember the symbols, not to >> forget be able to use them. > > He has received all the initiations but he has not received > experience which I trust he understands and which incidently is > mentioned at the site he received his initiation from. > >>You probably don't know any of the variations on >> hand positions, and will likely not have the confidence or ability to >> treat a person "free form" either.< > What an assumption you are making. Why do you think his teacher would > not share that info with him? > > >It's very doubtful that you can beam, >> scan or diagnose - let alone understand most of what I'm talking >> about. < > > Assumptions and unbelievable "EGO". So are assumptions about my assumptions kiddo - it's called life, get used to it. > Come on Sean, you are not talking about any great secrets. It is all > basic stuff with a lot of BS thrown in. Aside from the tremendous amounts of bullshit, there is infact a lot of stuff that may or may not be learnt that is important, and people don't get taught it if they're just attuned and left to themselves. I wouldn't assume that it's just common sense - sense is not as common as I'd like it to be, it would be better to actually teach the person. you're a good case in point. > > On a more important subject!!! > {diagnose} this is a definate NO! NO! NO! This sounds like a judgement and ego - hehe, careful it's must be infectious. > > reiki doesn't require any dignosing and in fact here in the US it is > Illigal to attempt to do so unless you are a member of the Medical > Profession!! By diagnose, I mean going to the area that needs it most - don't get your panties in a bunch. > > You may be able to sence that there is something happening when you > are sharing energy but that is not an indication that you know exactly > what is going on, only that something is happening. > All you can do is guess and I would not want you or anyone "Guessing" > what was wrong with me. > (bad enough the Doctors do that) Fair comment. > >> The only likely way you're going to be able to learn any of this is >> if you're lucky enough to find out that you're missing imporatant >> treatment skills. Then you'll have to resort to a forum of people >> taught by your teacher who are just as badly taught as yourself, and >> who will have all sorts of varying and conflicting ideas. >> > > He or anyone can learn from sharing treatments and from many of the > on-line teachers and reiki people who share freely or for nominal > costs. Home study is an accepted means of learning most anything these > days. Check the many Universities that use it. And you're saying that this is as good as a live teacher or an distant teacher who gives email support! Do you perhaps do distant attunemments and not follow up by email youself? > > >> You might say that the symbols are unnecessary, but that's only true >> once you've progressed beyond needing them. At first, they are very >> good training wheels. >> > Ha ha, so they are taught to be used in a formal class and yet once > the stud ent learns about them he than learns he doesn't need them. Yep, just like training wheels. > > A reiki level one performs treatments on others with no symbols known > to him, the results can be astounding even spontanous. > There is no improvement in the results with the use of symbols. I'm not sure about that. > The greatest use of symbols is that they can be used as a distraction > for the giver when doing treatments so that they do not continue to > attempt to control or manipulate the energy and allow it to function > as it deems is needed by the receiver. > In other words to help them be a "Clean Bone" or "Clear Channel". I don't agree that they are a distraction, they help the person with the particular frequency that's needed. Each symbol is a different frequency in my opinion. > >> Most importantly, your ability as a Reiki practitioner and initiator >> is not proficient at all, and you'll likely be initiating other >> teachers soon who will be just as lacking in skill as you are, who >> will also likely be just as opinionated as uninformed as you are. >> Their abilty to channel reiki will also be very likely unremarkable. >> > Wow, slow down here will you. > Talk about opinionated and uninformed. > Talk about trying to manipulate the abilities of others. More judgnements about me - seems like you too have a chronic case of it. He's been learning reiki for a week, has no decent support, and you think that's a good thing. How much do you charge for distant training? Not much I hope. I hope you're not one of those no charge and no responsibilty teachers! > > He has only mentioned he fees a differance since receiving, not that > he is some experienced teacher. > Of course he will need time to learn just the same as after leaving a > workshop he will need to learn from actual experiences. He hasn't even been to a workshop, nor has he likely been taught how to treat! > > Look, I learned in formal classes, and not just Reiki. The school I > attended also taught many alternative modalities which I took classes > in. So much of what is taught in current reiki classes has nothing to > do with doing Reiki. I agree, but ommiting the basics is not a good way of supporting him. > > >> I don't see how this helps your competence as a practitioner at all. >> Also, don't forget, that the point of reiki is to treat people, not >> to recieve or give initiatations. This being the case, how good have >> you become at treating anyone? You've gotten your distant attunement, >> but likely have not treated more than one or two people and not even >> properly! >> > Give the man time will you? And who will help him? A forum of other people who know as little as he does? Whether he has a distant attunement or not, he should have real personal support. The website of his teacher does not provide it whatsoever -take a look. > > >> For all these reasons, it really is best to learn in person where >> possible, and if you are attuned by distant attunement, I think >> you're selling ourself short by not learning from someone who is >> prepared to invest the time in you so that you end up knowing what >> you're doing. >> > Oh Please! > When the class is over the students go home and than they have to > start learning on their own. > I could not even begin to remember the last time I had contact with > any of my teachers. And so how much did you actually learn when you saw the teacher? Anything? Perhaps that's why you discount what you can learn ( and not including the bullshit). > >> Your teacher should be more committed to making you the best Reiki >> practitioner and teacher you can be. I advise you to find one that's >> prepared to teach you properly and generously. >> >> Sean >> > Hopefully one who isn't so opinionated. Such as yourself I imagine. I make no apology for having opinions. You seem to be ignorant about the presence of your own! You're in denial my fellow opinionated friend. Sean > > >> >> "Ruben" wrote in >> news:40119512$0$30963 $7eb43735@news.versatel.net: >> >> > http://members.aol.com/reikiheals/reiki/path.htm >> >> > > ###### From: "Ruben" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:55:01 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 119 Message-ID: <4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Organization: Versatel NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 2004 22:55:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dslam253-170-59-81.dyndsl.zonnet.nl X-Trace: 1074984912 news.versatel.net 30959 81.59.170.253:1109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@versatel.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fi.sn.net!newsfeed2.fi.sn.net!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.versatel.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13049 Hi Sean, thanks for your long anwer. It sounds like you care a lot about this stuff. I just wanted to share my enthousiasm about this one. It felt so right for me! I regret adding the second link. That was a bit thoughtless. I had a very nice Reiki I class where we thourougly practiced the hand positions. Since then I treated a handfull of people. And yes..I'm still a bit shy... But still, this singular attunement rocks! Using the symbols is a form of ritual magic. As with all ritual magic: there is a long and a short version. Not everyone needs the long version... Why not get all the tools first in 1 handy kit and then discover how to use em..! After my Reiki I attunement I felt dizzy. After the singular attunement, I felt like a million bucks! (And I don't mean all green and wrinkled) The day after my neck finally popped back in alignment after more than a year of fiddling. That alone was worth it. They must be doing something right! further.. I was actually quite sensitive to energies before I did the Reiki I class. Had a kundalini awakening a year earlier and learned to sense aura's of people and trees. For now: I have no intention to teach Reiki now or ever. I just learned myself the Chocku Rei symbol and I'm gonna play a while with that before I try anything else. Can't seem to set it off on mondaymorning yet to help me outta bed, but aiming it at the office helps me think! . Sean White schreef in berichtnieuws Xns947A84ED09557sean@203.16.214.244... > Hi Ruben, > I agree that some people may be fine to attune all three levels in > one go, however I don't agree that the reason why they are often not is > because of power control and ego. In some case it may be okay, but there > are some good reasons why it's not a good idea to attune someone to all > three levels and then teach them little to nothing and then turn them > loose. > > Personally, I don't confer all three levels in one go very often because > it's wasted on the student as they don't know how to employ it. Further, > the attunements should be changing your auric body and even go so far as > to change your physical body somewhat - a decent initiation is too much > for a student. > > If you're pretty good initiator however, the first level attunment can > be just as powerful as the third - it depends on the teacher and the > student, not on the actual attunement processes however they are done or > whatever ritual is used. In this way, the first gives them the energy > and shows them how to treat, the second introduces them to the symbols, > and the third teaches them the attunements. You could break it down into > seven levels if you liked or any other number really - it's not > important so long as the person is initiated well. > > Incidentally, a first or second degree initiate can actually initiate > people - but just like a bad third degree initiate, it doesn't work very > well. Most people (even most Reiki teachers) don't know this. > > At the moment, you've recieved all the initiation levels, and yet, you > likely can not sense Reiki much or remember the symbols, not to forget > be able to use them. You probably don't know any of the variations on > hand positions, and will likely not have the confidence or ability to > treat a person "free form" either. It's very doubtful that you can beam, > scan or diagnose - let alone understand most of what I'm talking about. > The only likely way you're going to be able to learn any of this is if > you're lucky enough to find out that you're missing imporatant treatment > skills. Then you'll have to resort to a forum of people taught by your > teacher who are just as badly taught as yourself, and who will have all > sorts of varying and conflicting ideas. > > You might say that the symbols are unnecessary, but that's only true > once you've progressed beyond needing them. At first, they are very good > training wheels. > > Most importantly, your ability as a Reiki practitioner and initiator is > not proficient at all, and you'll likely be initiating other teachers > soon who will be just as lacking in skill as you are, who will also > likely be just as opinionated as uninformed as you are. Their abilty to > channel reiki will also be very likely unremarkable. > > I don't see how this helps your competence as a practitioner at all. > Also, don't forget, that the point of reiki is to treat people, not to > recieve or give initiatations. This being the case, how good have you > become at treating anyone? You've gotten your distant attunement, but > likely have not treated more than one or two people and not even > properly! > > For all these reasons, it really is best to learn in person where > possible, and if you are attuned by distant attunement, I think you're > selling ourself short by not learning from someone who is prepared to > invest the time in you so that you end up knowing what you're doing. > > Your teacher should be more committed to making you the best Reiki > practitioner and teacher you can be. I advise you to find one that's > prepared to teach you properly and generously. > > > > Sean > > > "Ruben" wrote in news:40119512$0$30963 > $7eb43735@news.versatel.net: > > > http://members.aol.com/reikiheals/reiki/path.htm > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> <4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! Lines: 143 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:24:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074986655 65.33.138.52 (Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:24:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:24:15 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!fu-berlin.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13053 Hi Ruban, You wrote a nice reply to Sean, keep on practicing at your own pace you will be fine. I am curious as to why you wrote: >>I regret adding the second link. That was a bit thoughtless.<< Having taught that individual and knowing him to be quite a nice person and one who would welcome the acknowledgement of his writing style. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Ruben" wrote in message news:4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net... > Hi Sean, thanks for your long anwer. It sounds like you care a lot about > this stuff. > I just wanted to share my enthousiasm about this one. It felt so right for > me! > I regret adding the second link. That was a bit thoughtless. > > I had a very nice Reiki I class where we thourougly practiced the hand > positions. Since then I treated a handfull of people. And yes..I'm still a > bit shy... > > But still, this singular attunement rocks! > Using the symbols is a form of ritual magic. As with all ritual magic: there > is a long and a short version. > Not everyone needs the long version... > Why not get all the tools first in 1 handy kit and then discover how to use > em..! > > After my Reiki I attunement I felt dizzy. > After the singular attunement, I felt like a million bucks! (And I don't > mean all green and wrinkled) > The day after my neck finally popped back in alignment after more than a > year of fiddling. > That alone was worth it. They must be doing something right! > > further.. > I was actually quite sensitive to energies before I did the Reiki I class. > Had a kundalini awakening a year earlier and learned to sense aura's of > people and trees. > > > For now: > I have no intention to teach Reiki now or ever. > I just learned myself the Chocku Rei symbol and I'm gonna play a while with > that before I try anything else. > Can't seem to set it off on mondaymorning yet to help me outta bed, but > aiming it at the office helps me think! > > . > > > Sean White schreef in berichtnieuws > Xns947A84ED09557sean@203.16.214.244... > > Hi Ruben, > > I agree that some people may be fine to attune all three levels in > > one go, however I don't agree that the reason why they are often not is > > because of power control and ego. In some case it may be okay, but there > > are some good reasons why it's not a good idea to attune someone to all > > three levels and then teach them little to nothing and then turn them > > loose. > > > > Personally, I don't confer all three levels in one go very often because > > it's wasted on the student as they don't know how to employ it. Further, > > the attunements should be changing your auric body and even go so far as > > to change your physical body somewhat - a decent initiation is too much > > for a student. > > > > If you're pretty good initiator however, the first level attunment can > > be just as powerful as the third - it depends on the teacher and the > > student, not on the actual attunement processes however they are done or > > whatever ritual is used. In this way, the first gives them the energy > > and shows them how to treat, the second introduces them to the symbols, > > and the third teaches them the attunements. You could break it down into > > seven levels if you liked or any other number really - it's not > > important so long as the person is initiated well. > > > > Incidentally, a first or second degree initiate can actually initiate > > people - but just like a bad third degree initiate, it doesn't work very > > well. Most people (even most Reiki teachers) don't know this. > > > > At the moment, you've recieved all the initiation levels, and yet, you > > likely can not sense Reiki much or remember the symbols, not to forget > > be able to use them. You probably don't know any of the variations on > > hand positions, and will likely not have the confidence or ability to > > treat a person "free form" either. It's very doubtful that you can beam, > > scan or diagnose - let alone understand most of what I'm talking about. > > The only likely way you're going to be able to learn any of this is if > > you're lucky enough to find out that you're missing imporatant treatment > > skills. Then you'll have to resort to a forum of people taught by your > > teacher who are just as badly taught as yourself, and who will have all > > sorts of varying and conflicting ideas. > > > > You might say that the symbols are unnecessary, but that's only true > > once you've progressed beyond needing them. At first, they are very good > > training wheels. > > > > Most importantly, your ability as a Reiki practitioner and initiator is > > not proficient at all, and you'll likely be initiating other teachers > > soon who will be just as lacking in skill as you are, who will also > > likely be just as opinionated as uninformed as you are. Their abilty to > > channel reiki will also be very likely unremarkable. > > > > I don't see how this helps your competence as a practitioner at all. > > Also, don't forget, that the point of reiki is to treat people, not to > > recieve or give initiatations. This being the case, how good have you > > become at treating anyone? You've gotten your distant attunement, but > > likely have not treated more than one or two people and not even > > properly! > > > > For all these reasons, it really is best to learn in person where > > possible, and if you are attuned by distant attunement, I think you're > > selling ourself short by not learning from someone who is prepared to > > invest the time in you so that you end up knowing what you're doing. > > > > Your teacher should be more committed to making you the best Reiki > > practitioner and teacher you can be. I advise you to find one that's > > prepared to teach you properly and generously. > > > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > "Ruben" wrote in news:40119512$0$30963 > > $7eb43735@news.versatel.net: > > > > > http://members.aol.com/reikiheals/reiki/path.htm > > > > > ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! From: Sean White References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> <4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:19:21 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074991761 ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (25 Jan 2004 11:19:21 +1050) Lines: 71 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13061 "Ruben" wrote in news:4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net: > Hi Sean, thanks for your long anwer. It sounds like you care a lot > about this stuff. > I just wanted to share my enthousiasm about this one. It felt so right > for me! > I regret adding the second link. That was a bit thoughtless. Nah, I just disagree with some of it, no big deal. > > I had a very nice Reiki I class where we thourougly practiced the hand > positions. Since then I treated a handfull of people. And yes..I'm > still a bit shy... It takes a while to get the confidence that you're not going to make a mistake or people are going to think you're crazy hehehe. > > But still, this singular attunement rocks! > Using the symbols is a form of ritual magic. As with all ritual magic: > there is a long and a short version. > Not everyone needs the long version... > Why not get all the tools first in 1 handy kit and then discover how > to use em..! Some people can attune without any ritual whasoever too. I think it's too difficult to learn by yourself when you don't really know what you're doing myself. It might be different for you, but I thin it's much better having personal support and taking things as you are able. That's just my opinion anyhow, and I'm in the minority here it seems thinking it. > > After my Reiki I attunement I felt dizzy. > After the singular attunement, I felt like a million bucks! (And I > don't mean all green and wrinkled) > The day after my neck finally popped back in alignment after more than > a year of fiddling. > That alone was worth it. They must be doing something right! That's probably not the end of it either - it happens for quite a while usually. > > further.. > I was actually quite sensitive to energies before I did the Reiki I > class. Had a kundalini awakening a year earlier and learned to sense > aura's of people and trees. Well you're off to a good start, which is good to hear. > > > For now: > I have no intention to teach Reiki now or ever. > I just learned myself the Chocku Rei symbol and I'm gonna play a while > with that before I try anything else. > Can't seem to set it off on mondaymorning yet to help me outta bed, > but aiming it at the office helps me think! hehehe - I don't think there's a symbol yet that cures the pain of getting out of bed on monday and going to work. Good luck with it Reben. Sean ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! From: Sean White References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> <4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:30:41 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074992441 ppp150-136.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (25 Jan 2004 11:30:41 +1050) Lines: 33 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13062 Ahhh, so you're responsible for turning that one loose. No surprises there ShadowWolf. Well ShadowWolf, how are you and your student teacher going to look after Ruben and teach him the basics of treating and initiating? Let me guess, he can learn it himself, or there's nothing much to know - right. Maybe you'll just refer him to your website of other people's material that you've scanned. I love you work, really I do. Sean "ShadowWolf" wrote in news:z8DQb.49764$Bj.26307@twister.tampabay.rr.com: > Hi Ruban, > > You wrote a nice reply to Sean, keep on practicing at your own pace > you will be fine. > > I am curious as to why you wrote: >>>I regret adding the second link. That was a bit thoughtless.<< > > Having taught that individual and knowing him to be quite a nice > person and one who would welcome the acknowledgement of his writing > style. > > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <40119512$0$30963$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> <4012f7ce$0$30959$7eb43735@news.versatel.net> Subject: Re: Singular attunement -- YEAH! Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:09:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1075126193 65.33.138.52 (Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:09:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:09:53 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13105 "Sean White" wrote in message news:Xns947B7A358145Fsean@203.16.214.244... > Ahhh, so you're responsible for turning that one loose. No surprises there > ShadowWolf. > > Well ShadowWolf, how are you and your student teacher going to look after > Ruben and teach him the basics of treating and initiating? Let me guess, he > can learn it himself, or there's nothing much to know - right. Maybe you'll > just refer him to your website of other people's material that you've > scanned. I love you work, really I do. > Sean > What makes you think the material on the website is not mine? My efforts in bringing simplicity to reiki are copied by others but they are original from me. Your email address says it all ... -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net