From: "John Neiberger" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> Subject: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 99 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.47.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s51 1074551708 24.8.47.201 (Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!attbi_s51.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12927 In order to learn more about this, I have a question. What is the purpose of burning the sage? Isn't our intent the key here? I have a difficult time believing that an evil spirit would care in the slightest that you were burning a clump of dead plant on a plate! :-) Isn't it more likely that we achieve postive results by focusing our intent and making those intentions known? This leads us off-topic, but I'm beginning to believe that we ritualize things in order to overcome our left-brain, logical thinking and to allow our right-brain, creative thinking to gain balance. Our left-brain doesn't believe in getting something for nothing--it believes in the logical precept that any reaction must follow an action; in other words, every effect must have a cause. In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. Or maybe not. :-) Any thoughts? "Bob R" wrote in message news:Ns6dncHrYr1a0pTdRVn-tA@comcast.com... > I forgot about that...great advice > > Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master > > > > "Ruben" wrote in message > news:4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net... > > An old witch trick is to burn sage. I tried it and my house actually felt > a > > lot lighter afterwards. > > Here is what you do: > > Put some aluminium foil on a small plate and make a cone of sage (dried > > herb). Light the cone with a match an walk through each room in the house > > with the smoking plate saying out loud (and mean it) in your own words: > > "Everyone outta my house now!" > > > > When you're finished, throw away the ash and the aluminium foil > immediatly. > > It wil stink up your house badly if ya don't. Kinda like a full ashtray > but > > worse. The smoke itself is not bad smelling btw. > > > > > > none schreef in berichtnieuws > > f0b0f41.0401111507.67fae823@posting.google.com... > > > I need help with spirits around me. > > > > > > 4 months ago I did my first and then second Reiki attunement (Reiki I > > > and Reiki II). Since then I have had the most aweful experiences and > > > they have not ended. Spirits around me kept trying to kill me, drain > > > energy, work on my root chakras & sex chakras, asking me to do > > > "suicide" and "gay sex" trances, etc. Every day to this day they tell > > > me that I die, or that they are "joking" with me, or that I lie to > > > myself, etc. They broke up many relationships with people that I knew, > > > by placing me into trances. The trances have stopped a long time ago > > > because I learned to protect myself although I am still somewhat > > > vulnerable in the morning when I wake up. When I try to go to sleep, > > > they keep me up all night and harass everything I think and do. > > > > > > In the past 4 months, it seems as though the same spirits are still > > > around me. They are always mad at me. The nice ones are fakes; if I > > > succeed at something they get mad at me. They are constantly lieing to > > > me, swearing at me, and they scream over the smallest things hat I do > > > wrong, such as if I can't decide what TV show to watch, even if the > > > decision only takes me 3 seconds. > > > > > > Whenever I do something good, they get pissed ta me. But whenever I am > > > in serious trouble, that is when the good beings come around. When I > > > am nervous they come aroudn to relax me. I know that they are one and > > > the same because I have had the same being doing something to make me > > > mad, and then when I go crazy they try and calm me down. > > > > > > They change words around in my mind, they interfere with my memories, > > > and they take away all the good memories in my life. They also tried > > > to convince me that I should change my name among other things. > > > > > > It makes no sense. I was a much happier person before this whole thing > > > started and now I am miserable every day. > > > > > > Is there anyone out there who has had similar experiences and can give > > > me some advice? > > > > > > ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:52:17 GMT Lines: 114 Message-ID: <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka3cj.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.13.147) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074552463 18864751 207.69.13.147 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka3cj.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12929 Oh, my! A chance for this Libra born in a Monkey year to play Devil's Advocate! (it's what we do) Alas, I have to head off to taiji push-hands class where we learn to throw each other across the room without using more than 4 ounces of effort. (Just thought I would toss that in for psychological effect--now you'll be wondering what the heck that has to do with the conversation). You can bet I'll be thinking about what to say when I get back home, unless someone beats me to it. ;-) Garry, just monkeying around On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT, "John Neiberger" wrote: >In order to learn more about this, I have a question. What is the purpose of >burning the sage? Isn't our intent the key here? I have a difficult time >believing that an evil spirit would care in the slightest that you were >burning a clump of dead plant on a plate! :-) > >Isn't it more likely that we achieve postive results by focusing our intent >and making those intentions known? > >This leads us off-topic, but I'm beginning to believe that we ritualize >things in order to overcome our left-brain, logical thinking and to allow >our right-brain, creative thinking to gain balance. Our left-brain doesn't >believe in getting something for nothing--it believes in the logical precept >that any reaction must follow an action; in other words, every effect must >have a cause. > >In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody >out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be >enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome >this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we >participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a >concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative >brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. > >Or maybe not. :-) > >Any thoughts? > >"Bob R" wrote in message >news:Ns6dncHrYr1a0pTdRVn-tA@comcast.com... >> I forgot about that...great advice >> >> Bob Roffman MS, Usui Reiki Master >> >> >> >> "Ruben" wrote in message >> news:4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net... >> > An old witch trick is to burn sage. I tried it and my house actually >felt >> a >> > lot lighter afterwards. >> > Here is what you do: >> > Put some aluminium foil on a small plate and make a cone of sage (dried >> > herb). Light the cone with a match an walk through each room in the >house >> > with the smoking plate saying out loud (and mean it) in your own words: >> > "Everyone outta my house now!" >> > >> > When you're finished, throw away the ash and the aluminium foil >> immediatly. >> > It wil stink up your house badly if ya don't. Kinda like a full ashtray >> but >> > worse. The smoke itself is not bad smelling btw. >> > >> > >> > none schreef in berichtnieuws >> > f0b0f41.0401111507.67fae823@posting.google.com... >> > > I need help with spirits around me. >> > > >> > > 4 months ago I did my first and then second Reiki attunement (Reiki I >> > > and Reiki II). Since then I have had the most aweful experiences and >> > > they have not ended. Spirits around me kept trying to kill me, drain >> > > energy, work on my root chakras & sex chakras, asking me to do >> > > "suicide" and "gay sex" trances, etc. Every day to this day they tell >> > > me that I die, or that they are "joking" with me, or that I lie to >> > > myself, etc. They broke up many relationships with people that I knew, >> > > by placing me into trances. The trances have stopped a long time ago >> > > because I learned to protect myself although I am still somewhat >> > > vulnerable in the morning when I wake up. When I try to go to sleep, >> > > they keep me up all night and harass everything I think and do. >> > > >> > > In the past 4 months, it seems as though the same spirits are still >> > > around me. They are always mad at me. The nice ones are fakes; if I >> > > succeed at something they get mad at me. They are constantly lieing to >> > > me, swearing at me, and they scream over the smallest things hat I do >> > > wrong, such as if I can't decide what TV show to watch, even if the >> > > decision only takes me 3 seconds. >> > > >> > > Whenever I do something good, they get pissed ta me. But whenever I am >> > > in serious trouble, that is when the good beings come around. When I >> > > am nervous they come aroudn to relax me. I know that they are one and >> > > the same because I have had the same being doing something to make me >> > > mad, and then when I go crazy they try and calm me down. >> > > >> > > They change words around in my mind, they interfere with my memories, >> > > and they take away all the good memories in my life. They also tried >> > > to convince me that I should change my name among other things. >> > > >> > > It makes no sense. I was a much happier person before this whole thing >> > > started and now I am miserable every day. >> > > >> > > Is there anyone out there who has had similar experiences and can give >> > > me some advice? >> > >> > >> >> > > ###### Lines: 40 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: castinneford@aol.comremove (CAStinneford) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 19 Jan 2004 23:32:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Message-ID: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12930 John Neiberger wrote: >In order to learn more about this, I have a question. What is the purpose of >burning the sage? Isn't our intent the key here? I have a difficult time >believing that an evil spirit would care in the slightest that you were >burning a clump of dead plant on a plate! :-) > >Isn't it more likely that we achieve postive results by focusing our intent >and making those intentions known? > >This leads us off-topic, but I'm beginning to believe that we ritualize >things in order to overcome our left-brain, logical thinking and to allow >our right-brain, creative thinking to gain balance. Our left-brain doesn't >believe in getting something for nothing--it believes in the logical precept >that any reaction must follow an action; in other words, every effect must >have a cause. > >In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody >out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be >enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome >this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we >participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a >concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative >brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. > >Or maybe not. :-) > >Any thoughts? Interesting question and I've been thinking about this since I finished Eric Pearl's book, The Reconnection, last week. He doesn't focus on the left/right brain connection but he does focus on intent as being of primary concern and burning sage, shaking off negative energy into salt water, etc. as being fear based rituals. I particularly like the synchronicity of my having read that last week and your having brought it up here today. :-) Kitty. ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits From: Sean White References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 20 Jan 2004 11:02:19 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074558739 ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (20 Jan 2004 11:02:19 +1050) Lines: 33 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12931 castinneford@aol.comremove (CAStinneford) wrote in news:20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com: > Interesting question and I've been thinking about this since I > finished Eric Pearl's book, The Reconnection, last week. He doesn't > focus on the left/right brain connection but he does focus on intent > as being of primary concern and burning sage, shaking off negative > energy into salt water, etc. as being fear based rituals. > > I particularly like the synchronicity of my having read that last week > and your having brought it up here today. :-) > > Kitty. Certain herbs have a correspondence to a magical effect and sage happens to be a purifier. When it's smoke is burnt or inhaled, it diminshes positive or negative energy in the etheric. Just as a plant has a physical effect in the physical world, some plants have spiritual effects in the spiritual world. I think it's more likely that a person who completely denies cleansing or banishing rituals more likely betrays their own fear. Certainly an informed person who practiced any form of ritual magic would never subscribe to such an silly idea. In any case, many seekers fall by the wayside. I imagine him and his followers are one group of them. Sean ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:56:13 +0000 Lines: 21 Sender: Judy Rigby Message-ID: References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1074560154 28373 194.222.30.223 (20 Jan 2004 00:55:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:55:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12932 Sean White writes >Certain herbs have a correspondence to a magical effect and sage happens to >be a purifier. When it's smoke is burnt or inhaled, it diminshes positive >or negative energy in the etheric. Just as a plant has a physical effect in >the physical world, some plants have spiritual effects in the spiritual >world. Yup. People from so many different cultures have been burning woods, herbs, resins to achieve different effects since before recorded history. And still do, for reasons that have nothing to do with fear. It's just a very effective practice :) on the subject of sage, a while back I accepted a carrier bag full of (probably time expired) sage smudge sticks in part payment for a job. Far more than I can use, so if anyone wants & will pay postage, let me know by removing "z" from address :) -- Judy ###### From: "John Neiberger" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.47.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s53 1074561031 24.8.47.201 (Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:10:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:10:31 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:10:31 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!attbi_s53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12933 > In any case, many seekers fall by the wayside. I imagine him and his > followers are one group of them. And therein lies the second problem with the ritualization of the spiritual--the notion that your way is the only way, and that unless others believe as you, they must have fallen by the wayside. In a roundabout way this demonstrates my point. It's interesting that you suggest my discomfort with ritual burning is a demonstration of my own fear; isn't it more likely that ritual burning of various materials demonstrates a lack of faith in one's own abilities? Why should we shackle ourselves with such limitations? I'm beginning to believe that the potential within each one of us is staggering if we only knew how to tap into it and focus it. Of course, your mileage may vary and I'm certainly not suggesting that I'm offering up a truth here. I'm merely throwing out one possibility for the sake of discussion. And by the way, what followers do you think I have? :-) Last time I checked my only follower was me, and even then I hardly ever show up for the meetings! John ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:35:29 GMT Lines: 86 Message-ID: <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka3r3.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.15.99) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074573053 18987488 207.69.15.99 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka3r3.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12934 He's ba-aack! Time for some monkey business. To wit: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT, "John Neiberger" > wrote: > >>In order to learn more about this, I have a question. What is the purpose of >>burning the sage? Isn't our intent the key here? I have a difficult time >>believing that an evil spirit would care in the slightest that you were >>burning a clump of dead plant on a plate! :-) If you believe in the evil spirit, why is it such a stretch to believe that something in the physical world would affect it? After all, if it can affect you, you can affect it, right? And other things can affect you and you can affect them. So other things can be affected by the spirit, and the spirit can be affected by them. Another angle: everything is made up of ki, or, if you like, energy. Whatever you want to call it. Some things, like certain plants, essential oils from plants, etc have certain effects, based on how that particular collection of energies reacts with the energies of whom or what it is used on. If your "evil spirit" can affect you, it must either be made of ki, or simply a construct of your own mind. If it's made of ki, it can be manipulated in the same way we manipulate our own bodies using medicinal plants, essential oils, medicines, etc. Therefore the time honored remedies are probably time honored for a good reason. OTOH, if it's a mental construct of your own mind, perhaps one way of fighting would be with another mental construct, namely that your burning sage will do the trick. So, look! It's a win-win situation! :-) >>Isn't it more likely that we achieve postive results by focusing our intent >>and making those intentions known? My 2nd degree teacher taught us that you can clear a room or a house or whatever of "negative energies" or "unwelcome entities" using the 1st symbol. Which, of course, is backed by intent. So either the entities are there, and hence are affected by the reiki you're sending, or else they are figments of your imagination, and your banishing ritual is just a way of convincing yourself to give up that particular hallucination. (I'm getting pretty good at making these double-pronged explanations, aren't I? ) >>This leads us off-topic, but I'm beginning to believe that we ritualize >>things in order to overcome our left-brain, logical thinking and to allow >>our right-brain, creative thinking to gain balance. Our left-brain doesn't >>believe in getting something for nothing--it believes in the logical precept >>that any reaction must follow an action; in other words, every effect must >>have a cause. Except those trained in some of the more esoteric aspects of physics. (That would not be me). And then there's those people that ask, "what causes you to be self-aware?" (I would be one of those) >>In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody >>out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be >>enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome Yeah, I guess we reason that if it doesn't work with the flesh-and-blood types, it probably doesn't work with the ghost and spirit types, either. Of course, since we left-brainers have so *much* experience with observing cause and effect with non-corporeal beings, we must be real experts on the subject, huh? >>this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we >>participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a >>concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative >>brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. >> >>Or maybe not. :-) That's the spirit! (so to speak) >>Any thoughts? Thinking almost always gets us in trouble.... Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:56:20 +0200 Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-94.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <400d0364.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 20 Jan 2004 12:31:00 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-94.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-94.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12937 "John Neiberger" wrote in message news:wYYOb.88349$nt4.138721@attbi_s51... > In order to learn more about this, I have a question. What is the purpose of > burning the sage? Isn't our intent the key here? I have a difficult time > believing that an evil spirit would care in the slightest that you were > burning a clump of dead plant on a plate! :-) > > Isn't it more likely that we achieve postive results by focusing our intent > and making those intentions known? Substitute "symbol" for "dead plant" and "working with" for "burning" and we arrive at almost the same discussion we had a few months ago. Intention vs action. Of what use is intention without action? What result would be produced by actions that are contradictory to the intention? To me it is clear that intention and action go together, one supports the other, and actions have to be appropriate and in alignment to ones intention. Is burning sage such an action? Apparently so. Is the intention important? Of course, because without intention you would not even start to burn it, but is intention the "active" ingredient? I don't think so. Burning the sage *is* the action which makes the intention known. And who are we to speak for other energetic clusters which frequenting this and other realms and whether they are put off by some smells or other factor? What we *do* know is that *we* are put off by some of them, so we might as well try it on them. > This leads us off-topic, but I'm beginning to believe that we ritualize > things in order to overcome our left-brain, logical thinking and to allow > our right-brain, creative thinking to gain balance. Our left-brain ... does what it does, as is evident by the rest of the post. And BTW, with the above your left brain has again gained the ascendancy and is asserting itself over body-mind. One indicator of this is the notion that the mental realm, which includes intentions, i smuch more important than anything else. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits From: Sean White References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 20 Jan 2004 19:09:51 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074587991 ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (20 Jan 2004 19:09:51 +1050) Lines: 75 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12936 "John Neiberger" wrote in news:be%Ob.87860$5V2.131909@attbi_s53: >> In any case, many seekers fall by the wayside. I imagine him and his >> followers are one group of them. > > And therein lies the second problem with the ritualization of the > spiritual--the notion that your way is the only way, and that unless > others believe as you, they must have fallen by the wayside. In a > roundabout way this demonstrates my point. This is rather a way of saying "You disagree with me, and so that proves my point". This isn't very compelling. > > It's interesting that you suggest my discomfort with ritual burning is > a demonstration of my own fear; isn't it more likely that ritual > burning of various materials demonstrates a lack of faith in one's own > abilities? One may have varying degrees of ability, however external objects have their use as do all things for some reason or another. Man is after all, a being that uses tools. If you believe that you have true faith in your ideas, why then use a computer? Ritual in magical practice is an externalised form of meditation, but this is quite different from the use of plants with spiritual effects. The effect in the sage is intrinsic to the plant. I like to think that these things were put here so that we can employ them for good. One can use them quite easily but not be concerned or overally worried about using them or not using them. People get hung up on the ritual and anti-ritual thing quite a lot. It's very common. They usually learn to just get on with things eventually. They bow when they need to bow, they take a disprin when they have a headache. Externals yes, but in a world where the self doesn't occupy any space or time, just about everything is. Perhaps in time you might agree. Why should we shackle ourselves with such limitations? I'm > beginning to believe that the potential within each one of us is > staggering if we only knew how to tap into it and focus it. A person can for instance open beer bottles without an opener by using their teeth. In this, they are self sufficient, and yet they end up with rather ugly teeth. Myself, I'll use the bottle opener. One indeed has limitations if one's mind see the world in terms of limitations or lack of limitations (or internal and external). Such a world would mean that one is either free of things or tied to them. Personally, I'd rather just drink beer on the porch with my bottle opener and enjoy the sky. > > Of course, your mileage may vary and I'm certainly not suggesting that > I'm offering up a truth here. I'm merely throwing out one possibility > for the sake of discussion. > > And by the way, what followers do you think I have? :-) Last time I > checked my only follower was me, and even then I hardly ever show up > for the meetings! > > John If you have even one follower I'd say it was too many. ;-) Sean ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 116 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074613987 65.33.138.52 (Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:53:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:53:07 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12938 >>My 2nd degree teacher taught us that you can clear a room or a house or whatever of "negative energies" or "unwelcome entities" using the 1st symbol. Which, of course, is backed by intent. So either the entities are there, and hence are affected by the reiki you're sending, or else they are figments of your imagination, and your banishing ritual is just a way of convincing yourself to give up that particular hallucination. << The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in rebalancing the living and not the dead. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Garry Williams" wrote in message news:400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET... > He's ba-aack! Time for some monkey business. To wit: > > >On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT, "John Neiberger" > > wrote: > > > >>In order to learn more about this, I have a question. What is the purpose of > >>burning the sage? Isn't our intent the key here? I have a difficult time > >>believing that an evil spirit would care in the slightest that you were > >>burning a clump of dead plant on a plate! :-) > > If you believe in the evil spirit, why is it such a stretch to believe > that something in the physical world would affect it? After all, if it > can affect you, you can affect it, right? And other things can affect > you and you can affect them. So other things can be affected by the > spirit, and the spirit can be affected by them. > > Another angle: everything is made up of ki, or, if you like, energy. > Whatever you want to call it. Some things, like certain plants, > essential oils from plants, etc have certain effects, based on how > that particular collection of energies reacts with the energies of > whom or what it is used on. If your "evil spirit" can affect you, it > must either be made of ki, or simply a construct of your own mind. If > it's made of ki, it can be manipulated in the same way we manipulate > our own bodies using medicinal plants, essential oils, medicines, etc. > Therefore the time honored remedies are probably time honored for a > good reason. > > OTOH, if it's a mental construct of your own mind, perhaps one way of > fighting would be with another mental construct, namely that your > burning sage will do the trick. > > So, look! It's a win-win situation! :-) > > >>Isn't it more likely that we achieve postive results by focusing our intent > >>and making those intentions known? > > My 2nd degree teacher taught us that you can clear a room or a house > or whatever of "negative energies" or "unwelcome entities" using the > 1st symbol. Which, of course, is backed by intent. So either the > entities are there, and hence are affected by the reiki you're > sending, or else they are figments of your imagination, and your > banishing ritual is just a way of convincing yourself to give up that > particular hallucination. > > (I'm getting pretty good at making these double-pronged explanations, > aren't I? ) > > >>This leads us off-topic, but I'm beginning to believe that we ritualize > >>things in order to overcome our left-brain, logical thinking and to allow > >>our right-brain, creative thinking to gain balance. Our left-brain doesn't > >>believe in getting something for nothing--it believes in the logical precept > >>that any reaction must follow an action; in other words, every effect must > >>have a cause. > > Except those trained in some of the more esoteric aspects of physics. > (That would not be me). And then there's those people that ask, "what > causes you to be self-aware?" (I would be one of those) > > >>In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody > >>out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be > >>enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome > > Yeah, I guess we reason that if it doesn't work with the > flesh-and-blood types, it probably doesn't work with the ghost and > spirit types, either. Of course, since we left-brainers have so *much* > experience with observing cause and effect with non-corporeal beings, > we must be real experts on the subject, huh? > > >>this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we > >>participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a > >>concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative > >>brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. > >> > >>Or maybe not. :-) > > That's the spirit! (so to speak) > > >>Any thoughts? > > Thinking almost always gets us in trouble.... > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <02a0f24f465fa76aeab322f7ea9cf2ee@news.teranews.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:26:06 GMT Lines: 20 From: suzee Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!nntpserver.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12939 ShadowWolf wrote: > > >>My 2nd degree teacher taught us that you can clear a room or a house > or whatever of "negative energies" or "unwelcome entities" using the > 1st symbol. Which, of course, is backed by intent. So either the > entities are there, and hence are affected by the reiki you're > sending, or else they are figments of your imagination, and your > banishing ritual is just a way of convincing yourself to give up that > particular hallucination. << > > The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in > rebalancing the living and not the dead. > -- That's true. But aren't there negative energies from living people, not just non-living entities? I've heard people remark about feeling uncomfortable around certain people, later to find out the person had some kind of negative behavior problem. sue ###### From: seven Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Organization: http://seven.postmodern.com Message-ID: <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.57.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s52 1074629439 67.169.57.204 (Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:10:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:10:39 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:10:39 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!prodigy.com!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!attbi_s52.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12940 On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT, "John Neiberger" wrote: >In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody >out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be >enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome >this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we >participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a >concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative >brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. > >Or maybe not. :-) > >Any thoughts? It's actually a pretty good thought you have there. I've never really questioned why it works, it just seems to work. --- http://seven.postmodern.com seven at post modern dot com ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:02:56 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0bi.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.1.114) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074643104 19442345 207.69.1.114 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0bi.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12943 On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >>>My 2nd degree teacher taught us that you can clear a room or a house >or whatever of "negative energies" or "unwelcome entities" using the >1st symbol. Which, of course, is backed by intent. So either the >entities are there, and hence are affected by the reiki you're >sending, or else they are figments of your imagination, and your >banishing ritual is just a way of convincing yourself to give up that >particular hallucination. << > >The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in >rebalancing the living and not the dead. It's not something I practice because I have yet to run into any "non-corporeal entities", but, since you brought it up, how do you know Reiki doesn't help those who aren't currently alive? Have you asked them? Just curious. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:25:32 +0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1074644742 7609 194.222.30.223 (21 Jan 2004 00:25:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:25:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12944 >On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > >> >>The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in >>rebalancing the living and not the dead. Just curious. My late mother in law was pronounced clinically dead & father in law sent home to do the paperwork. Later that night they rang him to say whoops, sorry, but she wasn't dead after all but was sitting by the bed eating fish & chips. (After surgery to remove a brain tumour.) Now. Are you saying that Reiki would have helped her in her fish & chip eating stage, but not in her "clinically dead" stage ? and if it *would* have helped her in her "clinically dead" phase, why would that not have been the case had she decided not to come back for the fish & chips, but instead carried on being "dead" ? Just curious. No particular axe to grind on the topic myself :) -- Judy Rigby ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:48:01 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8vir00tip9opm71fcuhh4sueich703afpv@4ax.com> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-368.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!hirsch.in-berlin.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!lon1-news.nildram.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12946 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:25:32 +0000, Judy Rigby wrote: > >>On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >> >>> >>>The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in >>>rebalancing the living and not the dead. > > >Just curious. My late mother in law was pronounced clinically dead & >father in law sent home to do the paperwork. Later that night they rang >him to say whoops, sorry, but she wasn't dead after all but was sitting >by the bed eating fish & chips. (After surgery to remove a brain >tumour.) Now. Are you saying that Reiki would have helped her in her >fish & chip eating stage, but not in her "clinically dead" stage ? and >if it *would* have helped her in her "clinically dead" phase, why would >that not have been the case had she decided not to come back for the >fish & chips, but instead carried on being "dead" ? > >Just curious. No particular axe to grind on the topic myself :) M'gosh! Though a true "angel" (and she is), Judy's is also quite a "devil's advocate"! ;-) Provacative, this question. montane ###### Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: castinneford@aol.comremove (CAStinneford) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 21 Jan 2004 00:56:06 GMT References: <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Message-ID: <20040120195606.11601.00000335@mb-m12.aol.com> Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12945 Garry wrote: >>On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >>The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in >>rebalancing the living and not the dead. >It's not something I practice because I have yet to run into any >"non-corporeal entities", but, since you brought it up, how do you >know Reiki doesn't help those who aren't currently alive? Have you >asked them? I've been told by three Reiki masters that sending Reiki to my deceased father would be a good thing for him. I'm not at a point where I can ask him if the Reiki I've sent has helped but why wouldn't it? Kitty. ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:15:19 +0000 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <8vir00tip9opm71fcuhh4sueich703afpv@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1074647727 27202 194.222.30.223 (21 Jan 2004 01:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:15:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12947 In article <8vir00tip9opm71fcuhh4sueich703afpv@4ax.com>, montane writes >M'gosh! Though a true "angel" (and she is), Judy's is also quite a >"devil's advocate"! ;-) > >Provacative, this question. > Oh My ! He's calling me "provocative". And I ain't even drawn breath to *start* bein' provocative yet ......... tee hee -- Judy http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: "John Neiberger" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <_QlPb.109109$I06.710502@attbi_s01> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.47.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s01 1074653626 24.8.47.201 (Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:53:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:53:46 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:53:46 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!attbi_s01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12948 : > And therein lies the second problem with the ritualization of the : > spiritual--the notion that your way is the only way, and that unless : > others believe as you, they must have fallen by the wayside. In a : > roundabout way this demonstrates my point. : : This is rather a way of saying "You disagree with me, and so that proves : my point". This isn't very compelling. Well, that's not what I meant but I didn't mean to start an argument. I understood your post to say "because you disagree with me, you are wrong," mostly due to your "fall by the wayside" comment. Regardless, I was simply stating an idea and throwing it out for discussion. It's not one of my sacred cows. :-) : One may have varying degrees of ability, however external objects have : their use as do all things for some reason or another. Man is after all, : a being that uses tools. If you believe that you have true faith in your : ideas, why then use a computer? That's not a good analogy. A better analogy would be if you told me that I needed to burn incense before I used the computer, and then someone else came along and said "No, incense is not necessary. You simply need to turn it on." To simplify my original thought, is it possible that we've have overcomplicated things a bit? I'm not flat-out saying that we have, it's just a suspicion that I have. : > Why should we shackle ourselves with such limitations? I'm : > beginning to believe that the potential within each one of us is : > staggering if we only knew how to tap into it and focus it. : : A person can for instance open beer bottles without an opener by using : their teeth. In this, they are self sufficient, and yet they end up with : rather ugly teeth. Myself, I'll use the bottle opener. What if I told you that it was necessary to draw a target on the bottle cap in red ink before you opened the bottle, and that to do otherwise would be wrong? Would you not simply tell me that I've overcomplicated the process? : > Of course, your mileage may vary and I'm certainly not suggesting that : > I'm offering up a truth here. I'm merely throwing out one possibility : > for the sake of discussion. : > : > And by the way, what followers do you think I have? :-) : : Last time I : > checked my only follower was me, and even then I hardly ever show up : > for the meetings! : If you have even one follower I'd say it was too many. ;-) Ouch! Well, you'd probably be right! John ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:51:36 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <400df6ee.606221@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <8vir00tip9opm71fcuhh4sueich703afpv@4ax.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0kv.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.2.159) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074656816 19963221 207.69.2.159 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0kv.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12949 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:15:19 +0000, Judy Rigby wrote: >Oh My ! > >He's calling me "provocative". That's our Judy! Provocatrix-in-charge! ;-) Garry ###### Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:05:56 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <20040120195606.11601.00000335@mb-m12.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20040120195606.11601.00000335@mb-m12.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 Message-ID: <400e24c0_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1074668736 62.203.0.187 (21 Jan 2004 08:05:36 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 79 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12950 Just a second In catholic church exist a little short prayer that is devoted only to dead people " oh Lord give them the eternal rest, might shine for them the eternal light might them rest in peace amen* If Reiki is *also*love and helps for Karma could be helpful for our dead ones.. IF it is true that there is something after it might be good I am not a believer I have lost my parents when I was already adult, and the amazing thing is that when I dream about them , I meet them in a different place than my *actual reality* sometimes my former house or another place that we" share" but in different *time of the day* we just cross each others we never share a meal or a evening or a night, and teh amazing thing is that with time since tehy were dead all are rejuvenating... the most stiking example are my father and aunt my father ,in my dreams had in the beginning a very bad carnation pale and bluish ( should be 104 by bow) and in 20 years his carnation has become the white pink of a healty person and he has an activity and he sometimes meet me or my mother , my mother is werlking also and she is younger ,ma aunt that died at 99 was really a wreck almost blind and on a wheel chair since 12 years.. she died in 1996 in my last dream we were walking arm under arm on a country road, she was about in her 65 again and we were talking about how well she recovered since she died.. So the conclusion is maybe our pray or sending reiki might help them to purge something before reaching a stage in which they start leading *a new life again* maybe rebirth after purging what they need to .. another thing that makes me wonder is that she had to die ( 99)but could not die and we were quite worried because of a huge complicate family situation, so I asked to a cousin in charge for her to ask a priest to give her a benediction as she was probably alive to pay for something and she needed to be set free.... few days I asked my cousin to do so she died without having the priest benediction, but I still wonder if by the fact that I thought and we all agreed , that she might deserve that , it might have acted as a forgiveness an free her ... Love and light Theo CAStinneford wrote: > Garry wrote: > > >>>On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > > >>>The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in >>>rebalancing the living and not the dead. > > >>It's not something I practice because I have yet to run into any >>"non-corporeal entities", but, since you brought it up, how do you >>know Reiki doesn't help those who aren't currently alive? Have you >>asked them? > > > I've been told by three Reiki masters that sending Reiki to my deceased father > would be a good thing for him. I'm not at a point where I can ask him if the > Reiki I've sent has helped but why wouldn't it? > > Kitty. > > -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw Membro di : Internet Bonsai Society. I.B.S USA; Federazione Francese dei Bonsai F.F.B Ecole Européenne Bonsai France, E.E.B.F ;Federation Romanda Bonsai et Jardinage(F.R.J.B) ###### Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:14:11 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 Message-ID: <400e26af_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1074669231 62.203.0.187 (21 Jan 2004 08:13:51 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 107 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!news2.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12951 Like we can use a reiki bear to transfer energy on a distant recipient using tools or smudging incens or performing a ritual acts as a catalyzer to tranfert , channel, what wen need to transfer from us to the recipient , it is the same process all Shamanic rituals Wicca rituals and others work in this way I reckon just my 2 cents :-) Theo Sean White wrote: > "John Neiberger" wrote in > news:be%Ob.87860$5V2.131909@attbi_s53: > > >>>In any case, many seekers fall by the wayside. I imagine him and his >>>followers are one group of them. >> >>And therein lies the second problem with the ritualization of the >>spiritual--the notion that your way is the only way, and that unless >>others believe as you, they must have fallen by the wayside. In a >>roundabout way this demonstrates my point. > > > This is rather a way of saying "You disagree with me, and so that proves > my point". This isn't very compelling. > > > >>It's interesting that you suggest my discomfort with ritual burning is >>a demonstration of my own fear; isn't it more likely that ritual >>burning of various materials demonstrates a lack of faith in one's own >>abilities? > > > One may have varying degrees of ability, however external objects have > their use as do all things for some reason or another. Man is after all, > a being that uses tools. If you believe that you have true faith in your > ideas, why then use a computer? > > Ritual in magical practice is an externalised form of meditation, but > this is quite different from the use of plants with spiritual effects. > The effect in the sage is intrinsic to the plant. I like to think that > these things were put here so that we can employ them for good. One can > use them quite easily but not be concerned or overally worried about > using them or not using them. > > People get hung up on the ritual and anti-ritual thing quite a lot. It's > very common. They usually learn to just get on with things eventually. > They bow when they need to bow, they take a disprin when they have a > headache. Externals yes, but in a world where the self doesn't occupy > any space or time, just about everything is. Perhaps in time you might > agree. > > > Why should we shackle ourselves with such limitations? I'm > >>beginning to believe that the potential within each one of us is >>staggering if we only knew how to tap into it and focus it. > > > > > A person can for instance open beer bottles without an opener by using > their teeth. In this, they are self sufficient, and yet they end up with > rather ugly teeth. Myself, I'll use the bottle opener. > > One indeed has limitations if one's mind see the world in terms of > limitations or lack of limitations (or internal and external). Such a > world would mean that one is either free of things or tied to them. > Personally, I'd rather just drink beer on the porch with my bottle > opener and enjoy the sky. > > >>Of course, your mileage may vary and I'm certainly not suggesting that >>I'm offering up a truth here. I'm merely throwing out one possibility >>for the sake of discussion. >> >>And by the way, what followers do you think I have? :-) > > > Last time I > >>checked my only follower was me, and even then I hardly ever show up >>for the meetings! >> >>John > > > > > If you have even one follower I'd say it was too many. ;-) > > Sean -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw Membro di : Internet Bonsai Society. I.B.S USA; Federazione Francese dei Bonsai F.F.B Ecole Européenne Bonsai France, E.E.B.F ;Federation Romanda Bonsai et Jardinage(F.R.J.B) ###### Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:20:38 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 Message-ID: <400e2832_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1074669618 62.203.0.187 (21 Jan 2004 08:20:18 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12952 I mainly think that performing a ritual attunes both lobes and helps focusing teh eneryg in a different way .. you are asked to have a short meditation before giving Reiki this is a quick attunement of both lobes.. one has to perform a ritual to feel the difference between doing something just by will/thought , or by focusing intent through the ritual,it is a totallay different feeling Theo seven wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:35:08 GMT, "John Neiberger" > wrote: > > >>In the left-brain world, simply walking around the house saying "Everybody >>out" just doesn't cut it. For many, that sort of thing doesn't seem to be >>enough of a cause to generate the necessary effect. So, in order to overcome >>this hurdle we create ritual--we burn incense or plants, we chant, and we >>participate in any number of rituals that seem to create the illusion of a >>concrete cause. This satisfies our left-brain and allows our right, creative >>brain to take over and bring about the reality we attempt to achieve. >> >>Or maybe not. :-) >> >>Any thoughts? > > > It's actually a pretty good thought you have there. I've never really > questioned why it works, it just seems to work. > > > > --- > http://seven.postmodern.com > seven at post modern dot com -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw Membro di : Internet Bonsai Society. I.B.S USA; Federazione Francese dei Bonsai F.F.B Ecole Européenne Bonsai France, E.E.B.F ;Federation Romanda Bonsai et Jardinage(F.R.J.B) ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits From: Sean White References: <20040119183211.22874.00000323@mb-m04.aol.com> <_QlPb.109109$I06.710502@attbi_s01> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 21 Jan 2004 18:15:56 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074671156 ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (21 Jan 2004 18:15:56 +1050) Lines: 118 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12953 "John Neiberger" wrote in news:_QlPb.109109$I06.710502@attbi_s01: >: > And therein lies the second problem with the ritualization of the >: > spiritual--the notion that your way is the only way, and that >: > unless others believe as you, they must have fallen by the wayside. >: > In a roundabout way this demonstrates my point. >: >: This is rather a way of saying "You disagree with me, and so that >: proves my point". This isn't very compelling. > > Well, that's not what I meant but I didn't mean to start an argument. > I understood your post to say "because you disagree with me, you are > wrong," mostly due to your "fall by the wayside" comment. Regardless, > I was simply stating an idea and throwing it out for discussion. It's > not one of my sacred cows. :-) I'd never dream of arguing with you, but by all means a good debate is very worthwhile. > >: One may have varying degrees of ability, however external objects >: have their use as do all things for some reason or another. Man is >: after all, a being that uses tools. If you believe that you have true >: faith in your ideas, why then use a computer? > > That's not a good analogy. A better analogy would be if you told me > that I needed to burn incense before I used the computer, and then > someone else came along and said "No, incense is not necessary. You > simply need to turn it on." Your analogy is perhaps preferable because it contains a logical error. It is after all not necessary to use incense to turn on a computer. The counter example would be that is is necessary to turn the power on for the computer. A person may see the turning on of the plug as being a magical process for example, but the actual process would have a useful purpose. The catholic mass is much like this - it's esoteric meaning is lost on the priest and the participants, and yet it is actually a very potent form of magic ritual despite the fact that it's enacted by nuff- nuffs. There's a zen story about a teacher who was driven mad by a cat meowing whilst the monks meditated. The cat made so much noise that it was tied up and gagged before every mediation session. Years later, the teacher and cat were long dead, but the students who were now teachers would bring a cat along and tie it up before their mediation sessions. > > To simplify my original thought, is it possible that we've have > overcomplicated things a bit? I'm not flat-out saying that we have, > it's just a suspicion that I have. I see your point in that becomng caught up in outward trappings is silly, however in my opinion that's not to say that some things don't have uses. > >: > Why should we shackle ourselves with such limitations? I'm >: > beginning to believe that the potential within each one of us is >: > staggering if we only knew how to tap into it and focus it. >: >: A person can for instance open beer bottles without an opener by >: using their teeth. In this, they are self sufficient, and yet they >: end up with rather ugly teeth. Myself, I'll use the bottle opener. > > What if I told you that it was necessary to draw a target on the > bottle cap in red ink before you opened the bottle, and that to do > otherwise would be wrong? Would you not simply tell me that I've > overcomplicated the process? Of course it would be overcomplicated. Ritual for it's own sake, or ritual without any meaning is absurd, however say in the case of sage burning, it is infact not a ritual whatsoever. Sage does in fact have the intrinsic property of cleansing. I'm of the opinion that much Reiki initiations and teachings suffer from this overcomplication, however to most teachers, such things are the way they get things done. After a while some get off their training wheels and teach accordingly, and others stay stuck on the outward forms as they never approach the deeper mystery. Others get hung up on spiritual truth and become just as bad as the superficial ones too - it's much like normal life I think. Personally I find people hung up on the Japanese aspects of Reiki to be much the same sort of silliness. They use Japanese terms when English ones will do, use elaborate and unnecessary cultural ritualisations - that sort of thing. However, it doesn't really worry me to much. After all, even the Reiki symbols themselves don't say anything terribly impressive, but just vaguely point to the deeper mystery of Reiki. > >: > Of course, your mileage may vary and I'm certainly not suggesting >: > that I'm offering up a truth here. I'm merely throwing out one >: > possibility for the sake of discussion. Your opinion is as good as truth in my book - I value them both. >: > >: > And by the way, what followers do you think I have? :-) >: >: Last time I >: > checked my only follower was me, and even then I hardly ever show >: > up for the meetings! >: If you have even one follower I'd say it was too many. ;-) > > Ouch! Well, you'd probably be right! hehehe Sean > > John > > > ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits From: Sean White References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> <400e2832_3@news.bluewin.ch> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 21 Jan 2004 18:31:46 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074672106 ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (21 Jan 2004 18:31:46 +1050) Lines: 30 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12954 I've personally never attuned any one's lobes myself. I just attune them. I'm of the opinion that some teachers feel that they are attuning a particular energy centre or something like that, but in any case, the result is generally the same in that the energy that the student can transmit is much the same as any other's usually. Of course, this is the way they work, so it's necessary for them to see things this way. It's possible to attune with any symbols or rituals, but some people aren't taught it, or are unable to do it even if they are taught it, or perhaps never intuitively find this out. Some teachers can attune and treat without lifting a hand or using any symbols etc. Some practitioners can treat without symbols or hands at any distance too - they can even sense injuries and pain remotely too - it depends on the person and the teacher really. Whatever the case, I would say that the person is attuned all the same. Sean Theo wrote in news:400e2832_3@news.bluewin.ch: > I mainly think that performing a ritual attunes both lobes and helps > focusing teh eneryg in a different way .. > you are asked to have a short meditation before giving Reiki > this is a quick attunement of both lobes.. > one has to perform a ritual to feel the difference between doing > something just by will/thought , or by focusing intent through the > ritual,it is a totallay different feeling > Theo ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:39:53 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <400e80f9.213079@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> <400e2832_3@news.bluewin.ch> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka0ns.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.2.252) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074692111 20113291 207.69.2.252 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka0ns.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12955 On 21 Jan 2004 18:31:46 +1050, Sean White wrote: >I've personally never attuned any one's lobes myself. I just attune them. Um, you have to keep in mind that English is not Theo's first or even second language. Sometimes it's best just to keep up the flow of reading without subscribing too much to your own interpretation of an odd word choice, and just go for the overall sense. In this case, I fully suspect (though I could easily be wrong--Theo's much sharper than I could ever hope to be!) that he was not using the word "attune" in the specialized Reiki sense, but rather meaning something more like "synchronize", sort of like those special sound recordings that purport to synchronize the brainwaves from both hemispheres of the brain, which I believe is what supposedly happens when one is in a meditative state. I think that's all he meant, rather than carrying out a Reiki attunement set, one for each side of the brain. If your reply was simply meant to be humorous, and the joke went over my head, I apologize for being a wet blanket. :-) Garry ###### Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:28:07 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> <400e2832_3@news.bluewin.ch> <400e80f9.213079@news.Individual.NET> In-Reply-To: <400e80f9.213079@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.0.187 Message-ID: <400e9a71_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1074698865 62.203.0.187 (21 Jan 2004 16:27:45 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 47 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12957 Hi Garry Right guess ! attune =to put both lobes on the same synchronization THEO Garry Williams wrote: > On 21 Jan 2004 18:31:46 +1050, Sean White wrote: > > >>I've personally never attuned any one's lobes myself. I just attune them. > > > > > Um, you have to keep in mind that English is not Theo's first or even > second language. Sometimes it's best just to keep up the flow of > reading without subscribing too much to your own interpretation of an > odd word choice, and just go for the overall sense. In this case, I > fully suspect (though I could easily be wrong--Theo's much sharper > than I could ever hope to be!) that he was not using the word "attune" > in the specialized Reiki sense, but rather meaning something more like > "synchronize", sort of like those special sound recordings that > purport to synchronize the brainwaves from both hemispheres of the > brain, which I believe is what supposedly happens when one is in a > meditative state. I think that's all he meant, rather than carrying > out a Reiki attunement set, one for each side of the brain. > > If your reply was simply meant to be humorous, and the joke went over > my head, I apologize for being a wet blanket. :-) > > Garry > -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw Membro di : Internet Bonsai Society. I.B.S USA; Federazione Francese dei Bonsai F.F.B Ecole Européenne Bonsai France, E.E.B.F ;Federation Romanda Bonsai et Jardinage(F.R.J.B) ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:24:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074705875 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:24:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:24:35 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12958 Hi Judy, I was referring to long dead spirits. Many times the medical profession claim people are dead before they really are. Blessings ShadowWolf -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Judy Rigby" wrote in message news:LYglbFA8bcDAVwjq@rigbys.demon.co.uk... > > >On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:53:07 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > > > >> > >>The above is a real waste of effort as the use of Reiki is for aid in > >>rebalancing the living and not the dead. > > > Just curious. My late mother in law was pronounced clinically dead & > father in law sent home to do the paperwork. Later that night they rang > him to say whoops, sorry, but she wasn't dead after all but was sitting > by the bed eating fish & chips. (After surgery to remove a brain > tumour.) Now. Are you saying that Reiki would have helped her in her > fish & chip eating stage, but not in her "clinically dead" stage ? and > if it *would* have helped her in her "clinically dead" phase, why would > that not have been the case had she decided not to come back for the > fish & chips, but instead carried on being "dead" ? > > Just curious. No particular axe to grind on the topic myself :) > > -- > Judy Rigby > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <8IyPb.84184$I05.1605989@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:31:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074706308 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:31:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:31:48 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12959 "Garry Williams" > > It's not something I practice because I have yet to run into any > "non-corporeal entities", but, since you brought it up, how do you > know Reiki doesn't help those who aren't currently alive? Have you > asked them? > > Just curious. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > The dead do not talk so therefore they can not attest to gaining any help from Reiki or anything. For the record I worked with situation involving "Entities" before becoming involved in Reiki. ###### Message-ID: <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:08:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1074712096 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:08:16 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:08:16 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12962 Hi curious Judy, Judy Rigby wrote: > > Just curious. My late mother in law was pronounced clinically dead & > father in law sent home to do the paperwork. Later that night they rang > him to say whoops, sorry, but she wasn't dead after all but was sitting > by the bed eating fish & chips. (After surgery to remove a brain > tumour.) Now. Are you saying that Reiki would have helped her in her > fish & chip eating stage, but not in her "clinically dead" stage ? and > if it *would* have helped her in her "clinically dead" phase, why would > that not have been the case had she decided not to come back for the > fish & chips, but instead carried on being "dead" ? IMO/IME Reiki *can* benefit the body of a person even when that body is "clinically dead" until that body is no longer capable of sustaining life. Notice I am saying the 'body' can benefit so, IMO *Yes* your MIL would have been helped but she obviously didn't need more outside help than what she received. From my experience having been "clinically dead" & from what I have experienced with family members who have died is that when we leave our body we are the Golden Mist I have learned is Reiki & we no longer 'need' the living to send Reiki to us. ^_^ > Just curious. No particular axe to grind on the topic myself :) > > -- > Judy Rigby GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits From: Sean White References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <0j2r00ltthfppuc2b7ihco1varqbr7uoug@4ax.com> <400e2832_3@news.bluewin.ch> <400e80f9.213079@news.Individual.NET> Organization: Your Company Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net Date: 22 Jan 2004 10:25:46 +1050 X-Trace: duster.adelaide.on.net 1074729346 ppp148-91.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net (22 Jan 2004 10:25:46 +1050) Lines: 50 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12967 No problem Garry, you're no wet blanket either way. I don't think I had trouble with Theo's English too much. My point is that I don't synchronise or attune anything to do with the lobes whatsoever whether I'm treating or attuning, and that some teachers view attunements to do with a particular body part or something like that, but that the quality of attunements doesn't really depend on these ideas. People around here in Australia used to emphasise attuning the feet and the rings of the thalamus quite a bit - left/right brain and chakras (7 or 8 system), or the spiritual bodies are also popular ideas too. I think such ideas help the teacher or the practitioner in the way they understand what they're doing, but it doesn't seem to make a difference in the quality of the attunement or the treatment (in my opinion). It seems to me that it's just a way of understanding things, which is useful, but doesn't seems to affect the result. Sean gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) wrote in news:400e80f9.213079@news.Individual.NET: > On 21 Jan 2004 18:31:46 +1050, Sean White wrote: > >>I've personally never attuned any one's lobes myself. I just attune >>them. > > > > Um, you have to keep in mind that English is not Theo's first or even > second language. Sometimes it's best just to keep up the flow of > reading without subscribing too much to your own interpretation of an > odd word choice, and just go for the overall sense. In this case, I > fully suspect (though I could easily be wrong--Theo's much sharper > than I could ever hope to be!) that he was not using the word "attune" > in the specialized Reiki sense, but rather meaning something more like > "synchronize", sort of like those special sound recordings that > purport to synchronize the brainwaves from both hemispheres of the > brain, which I believe is what supposedly happens when one is in a > meditative state. I think that's all he meant, rather than carrying > out a Reiki attunement set, one for each side of the brain. > > If your reply was simply meant to be humorous, and the joke went over > my head, I apologize for being a wet blanket. :-) > > Garry > > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 92 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:26:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074857192 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:26:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:26:32 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12996 "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com... > Hi curious Judy, > > Judy Rigby wrote: > > > > Just curious. My late mother in law was pronounced clinically dead & > > father in law sent home to do the paperwork. Later that night they rang > > him to say whoops, sorry, but she wasn't dead after all but was sitting > > by the bed eating fish & chips. (After surgery to remove a brain > > tumour.) Now. Are you saying that Reiki would have helped her in her > > fish & chip eating stage, but not in her "clinically dead" stage ? and > > if it *would* have helped her in her "clinically dead" phase, why would > > that not have been the case had she decided not to come back for the > > fish & chips, but instead carried on being "dead" ? > > IMO/IME Reiki *can* benefit the body of a person even when that body is > "clinically dead" until that body is no longer capable of sustaining life. > Notice I am saying the 'body' can benefit so, IMO *Yes* your MIL would have been > helped but she obviously didn't need more outside help than what she received. > > From my experience having been "clinically dead" & from what I have experienced > with family members who have died is that when we leave our body we are the > Golden Mist I have learned is Reiki & we no longer 'need' the living to send > Reiki to us. ^_^ > > > Just curious. No particular axe to grind on the topic myself :) > > > > -- > > Judy Rigby > > GramPaHugs, > Alex, > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > No endorsement is implied or intended. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * AOL Click > * Don't worry about life, > * you're not going to survive it anyway > **************************************************** > ###### Message-ID: <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 69 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:42:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1074883362 65.30.225.94 (Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:42:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:42:42 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13005 Helo Joseph, ShadowWolf wrote: > > "Alex Barna" From my experience having been "clinically dead" & from what I have > experienced with family members who have died is > that when we leave our body we are the > Golden Mist I have learned is Reiki & > we no longer 'need' the living to send Reiki to us. ^_^ > > -- > ShadowWolf comments: > Reiki is the name applied to the Universal Energy by Dr. Usui. > It is not a specific energy. I don't know, nor can I say that what I see as a Golden Mist is a specific energy or a grouping of energies or if it can even be defined as energy. All I know is that when I asked for Reiki for my wife when she was diagnosed with cancer & what I see as a Golden Mist became, what I can only describe as 'more active'. Also during the Jan 01,04 group attunement I noted a much greater 'activity' in what I see & have seen since infancy as a Golden Mist. > The energy used in the Reiki process is known by many names in various > cultures but it is all the same. I can't dispute that. I have chosen to use the term Reiki to describe the Golden Mist I see, because it has been demonstrated to my satisfaction that when Reiki is 'sent' That Golden Mist becomes more active. > If you think it is a golden mist that is fine but it can be perceived as > any color by anyone. I *see* it as a Golden Mist, I *think* it is the basic component *everything* is made of. > By the way I am curious about your claims and wonder if you can > demonstrate them? Which claims? How would I 'demonstrate them' & why would I want/need to? GramPaHugs, Alex, > Namaste' > yet another "Grandpa" > ShadowWolf > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Lines: 98 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:00:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1074884433 65.33.138.52 (Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:00:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:00:33 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-hub.siol.net!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13006 Hello Alex, It is all about personal perception afterall. Many Reiki people see or perceive the color Purple (yes even as a mist), some the color green or Blue etc. But it is really not important in actuality as no matter what color is perceived, even if nothing is perceived, there can is often amazing results found or attributed to Reiki. Please do excuse the wording I used in asking about your past claims. I was referring to your writing about mind projection things you mentioned being involved in. :} -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com... > Helo Joseph, > > ShadowWolf wrote: > > > > "Alex Barna" > From my experience having been "clinically dead" & from what I have > > experienced with family members who have died is > > that when we leave our body we are the > > Golden Mist I have learned is Reiki & > > we no longer 'need' the living to send Reiki to us. ^_^ > > > > -- > > ShadowWolf comments: > > Reiki is the name applied to the Universal Energy by Dr. Usui. > > It is not a specific energy. > > I don't know, nor can I say that what I see as a Golden Mist is a specific > energy or a grouping of energies or if it can even be defined as energy. > > All I know is that when I asked for Reiki for my wife when she was diagnosed > with cancer & what I see as a Golden Mist became, what I can only describe as > 'more active'. Also during the Jan 01,04 group attunement I noted a much greater > 'activity' in what I see & have seen since infancy as a Golden Mist. > > > The energy used in the Reiki process is known by many names in various > > cultures but it is all the same. > > I can't dispute that. I have chosen to use the term Reiki to describe the Golden > Mist I see, because it has been demonstrated to my satisfaction that when Reiki > is 'sent' That Golden Mist becomes more active. > > > If you think it is a golden mist that is fine but it can be perceived as > > any color by anyone. > > I *see* it as a Golden Mist, I *think* it is the basic component *everything* is > made of. > > > By the way I am curious about your claims and wonder if you can > > demonstrate them? > > Which claims? > How would I 'demonstrate them' & why would I want/need to? > > GramPaHugs, > Alex, > > > > Namaste' > > yet another "Grandpa" > > ShadowWolf > > > > http://www.mysticreiki.com > > http://www.reiki.net > > :) > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * AOL Click > * Don't worry about life, > * you're not going to survive it anyway > **************************************************** > ###### Message-ID: <40117C46.7713216A@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:50:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1074887434 65.30.225.94 (Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:50:34 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:50:34 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13007 Hello Joseph, ShadowWolf wrote: > > Hello Alex, > > It is all about personal perception afterall. > > Many Reiki people see or perceive the color Purple (yes even as a mist), > some the color green or Blue etc. Exactly, My wife & I can't even agree on what to call the color of her car. :) > But it is really not important in actuality as no matter what color is > perceived, even if nothing is perceived, there can is often amazing > results found or attributed to Reiki. > > Please do excuse the wording I used in asking about your past claims. No problem. :) > I was referring to your writing about mind projection things you > mentioned being involved in. :} I 'can't' say anything more about anything I may or may not have been involved in. ^..^ I 'can' discuss & try to teach/show others how to achieve a form of distant viewing/mind projection. Though it is something I found I could do at a very early age it is something I have seen others learn to do. I was told by an Ojibwe Elder that what I do is known to the Ojibwe as Dream walking & you may be familiar with the concept already. :) If you have any specific questions about distant viewing/mind projection feel free to ask them & I will try to answer them. :) GramPaHugs, Alex, > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:12:49 GMT Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4011c5fe.1658963@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> <40117C46.7713216A@mn.rr.com> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka1aj.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.5.83) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074906478 22708313 207.69.5.83 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka1aj.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13013 On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:50:34 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: >I 'can' discuss & try to teach/show others how to achieve a form of distant >viewing/mind projection. Though it is something I found I could do at a very >early age it is something I have seen others learn to do. I was told by an >Ojibwe Elder that what I do is known to the Ojibwe as Dream walking & you may be >familiar with the concept already. :) > >If you have any specific questions about distant viewing/mind projection feel >free to ask them & I will try to answer them. :) All right! I'm game! What's the first step in learning how to do this? (Did you realize you had opened up Pandora's box when you typed that? ) Love and Light, Garry >GramPaHugs, >Alex, > >> -- >> ShadowWolf >> http://www.mysticreiki.com >> http://www.reiki.net > > :) > >-- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > >**************************************************** >* Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn >* AOL Click >* AOL Click >* Don't worry about life, >* you're not going to survive it anyway >**************************************************** ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <4011C908.A4B737DF@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> <40117C46.7713216A@mn.rr.com> <4011c5fe.1658963@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:23:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1074907417 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:23:37 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:23:37 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13016 When I did a google search I discovered that my province of Alberta seems to be a hotbed of remote-viewers. Gonna try to find out why. I know that during the Vietnam episode there were groups of young Americans 'stationed' up here. :) Rich Garry Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:50:34 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > > > > >I 'can' discuss & try to teach/show others how to achieve a form of distant > >viewing/mind projection. Though it is something I found I could do at a very > >early age it is something I have seen others learn to do. I was told by an > >Ojibwe Elder that what I do is known to the Ojibwe as Dream walking & you may be > >familiar with the concept already. :) > > > >If you have any specific questions about distant viewing/mind projection feel > >free to ask them & I will try to answer them. :) > > All right! I'm game! What's the first step in learning how to do this? > (Did you realize you had opened up Pandora's box when you typed that? > ) > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > >GramPaHugs, > >Alex, > > > >> -- > >> ShadowWolf > >> http://www.mysticreiki.com > >> http://www.reiki.net > > > > :) > > > >-- > > > > Any information is included for informational > > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my > > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. > > > >**************************************************** > >* Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > >* AOL Click > >* AOL Click > >* Don't worry about life, > >* you're not going to survive it anyway > >**************************************************** ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:03:14 GMT Lines: 62 Message-ID: <4011d24c.4809237@news.Individual.NET> References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> <40117C46.7713216A@mn.rr.com> <4011c5fe.1658963@news.Individual.NET> <4011C908.A4B737DF@shaw.ca> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka1aj.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.5.83) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074909502 22574200 207.69.5.83 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka1aj.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13020 On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:23:37 GMT, Rich wrote: >When I did a google search I discovered that my province of Alberta >seems to be a hotbed of >remote-viewers. Gonna try to find out why. I know that during the >Vietnam episode there were >groups of young Americans 'stationed' up here. :) >Rich Rich, Be careful what you look for, you might find it! ;-) Garry >Garry Williams wrote: >> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:50:34 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: >> >> >> >> >I 'can' discuss & try to teach/show others how to achieve a form of distant >> >viewing/mind projection. Though it is something I found I could do at a very >> >early age it is something I have seen others learn to do. I was told by an >> >Ojibwe Elder that what I do is known to the Ojibwe as Dream walking & you may be >> >familiar with the concept already. :) >> > >> >If you have any specific questions about distant viewing/mind projection feel >> >free to ask them & I will try to answer them. :) >> >> All right! I'm game! What's the first step in learning how to do this? >> (Did you realize you had opened up Pandora's box when you typed that? >> ) >> >> Love and Light, >> >> Garry >> >> >GramPaHugs, >> >Alex, >> > >> >> -- >> >> ShadowWolf >> >> http://www.mysticreiki.com >> >> http://www.reiki.net >> > >> > :) >> > >> >-- >> > >> > Any information is included for informational >> > or entertainment purposes only, is based on my >> > personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. >> > >> >**************************************************** >> >* Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn >> >* AOL Click >> >* AOL Click >> >* Don't worry about life, >> >* you're not going to survive it anyway >> >**************************************************** ###### Message-ID: <4011D751.955DE465@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Veering OT, Re: help with negative spirits References: <4004712e$0$37831$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> <400c5e6f.1346834@news.Individual.NET> <400cb009.4094760@news.Individual.NET> <400dc10f.1230920@news.Individual.NET> <400ECE2C.E4C7727B@mn.rr.com> <40116C5E.349080A8@mn.rr.com> <40117C46.7713216A@mn.rr.com> <4011c5fe.1658963@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 65 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:24:17 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1074911035 65.30.225.94 (Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:23:55 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:23:55 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:13023 Garry Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:50:34 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > > > >If you have any specific questions about distant viewing/mind projection > >feel free to ask them & I will try to answer them. :) > > All right! I'm game! What's the first step in learning how to do this? > (Did you realize you had opened up Pandora's box when you typed that? > ) UhMm! I was talking to ShadowWolf. ^_^ Hold on a minute while I get my foot out of my mouth. :) I was hopeing I would only have to answer questions from someone that had an idea about how to do it. ^,,^ Distant viewing/Mind projection 101 Lecture 1: The first step is to clear your mind as in deep meditation. Than start by visualizing something close that you are very familiar with. Your dominant hand is the easiest starting point because you are most familiar with it. Keep practicing untill you can see/visualize your hand with your eyes closed & see where it is in relation to you. (This is something people that lose their sight learn to do). When you can move your hand around without knocking things down hold an object in that hand untill you can visualize that object, then holding the image of that object in your mind transfer that object to your other hand & continue to visualize it. With practice, intime, you should be able to see/visualize an object just by touching it. Then you need to train your mind to see/visualize objects at a distance. The whole process is a lot easier for people that can see what I call the Golden Mist &/or go Out Of Body. ^_^ GramPaHugs, Alex, > Love and Light, > > Garry > :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway ****************************************************