From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:26:56 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-076.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12746 Hi, Thought I'd start a thread about something that, in one way or another, relates to the experience of many of us. At least I believe it does. Sometimes an attunement, a diksha (yoga attunement), a meditation practice, or some spontaneous experience has a very strong and temporarily disruptive effect on a person. To make a parallel with the ingestion of some strong drug is maybe misleading in some ways, but in other ways it is not so inaccurate. Fo myself, I began having such experiences from time to time twenty years or so ago, because I had taken up yoga-meditation practices. Sometimes I would go on retreat and meditate for up to eight or more hours a day, and wind up in a happy but isolated place (from the "wordly" perspective)-- but feeling like there was a barrier between myself and other people. Sometimes also my ability to concentrate on external things -- like conversations, bookkeeping, driving, etc -- was severely affected. After a while, even doing two half-hour meditation sessions in a day got to be too strong for me to manage. I've had a few strong experiences like this (but tending to involve headaces, sleepiness, or the re-stimulation of some old physical symptom) since I was first attuned to Reiki, and also some less-strong ones. In general, my experiences of this sort with Reiki have not dislocated me socially or interpersonally nearly in the way that some of my experiences with yoga did. I have noticed that the theme of being comfortable with how we feel, in an everyday sense, comes up in AHR. For some, it is mostly a matter of the psychology or awareness of the spiritual world versus the psychology of the common social world. For others, it is more a matter of odd physical symptoms. But I thought I would explicitly open up this general topic for discussion, which I think would be a healthy thing. :-o ????? Namaste, montane ###### From: "Daemon Weird" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:52:08 +0100 Organization: IskonInternet d.d. Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: zg04-026.dialin.iskon.hr X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 1073775122 15856 213.191.137.27 (10 Jan 2004 22:52:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2004 22:52:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!Iskon!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12755 well, just a few days ago one of our masters in the centre where i do i act as the shamballa md and reiki master / teacher just shared his thoughts about that and xperiences too, and spontaneously we did recognised patterns about our states and behaviour in thoose moments, so i`ll try to transmit those thoughts down through your post. forever in light daemon the weird one > Sometimes an attunement, a diksha (yoga attunement), a meditation > practice, or some spontaneous experience has a very strong and > temporarily disruptive effect on a person. those states are steps ahead into the light, steps where your lightbodies just spreads arround and physical body didn`t fit yet into To make a parallel with > the ingestion of some strong drug is maybe misleading in some ways, > but in other ways it is not so inaccurate. but this paralell is precisely what we do all feel in those moments, and it is just on the right place > Fo myself, I began having such experiences from time to time twenty > years or so ago, because I had taken up yoga-meditation practice > Sometimes I would go on retreat and meditate for up to eight or more > hours a day, and wind up in a happy but isolated place (from the > "wordly" perspective)-- but feeling like there was a barrier between > myself and other people. Sometimes also my ability to concentrate on > external things -- like conversations, bookkeeping, driving, etc -- > was severely affected. it is just stage between outro and intro that is putted in between theese steps that we are doing into the path of beeing what we are. meditations in yoga style are here just for that purpose, to split us from the material ways of thinking and consequence is that we do feel difficulties in the so called right perception of out world > After a while, even doing two half-hour meditation sessions in a day > got to be too strong for me to manage. good ole temptation / see the holly books, they are full of this points > > I've had a few strong experiences like this (but tending to involve > headaces, sleepiness, or the re-stimulation of some old physical > symptom) since I was first attuned to Reiki, and also some less-strong > ones. In general, my experiences of this sort with Reiki have not > dislocated me socially or interpersonally nearly in the way that some > of my experiences with yoga did. here we need to talk about selfhealings, recidives of all the dis-eases we did had through life and not to forget acceleration of dis-eases we need to experience through our lives further. in opposite to yoga, reiki technique is healing methode and it works on pretty opposite natural laws. > > I have noticed that the theme of being comfortable with how we feel, > in an everyday sense, comes up in AHR. For some, it is mostly a > matter of the psychology or awareness of the spiritual world versus > the psychology of the common social world. For others, it is more a > matter of odd physical symptoms. But I thought I would explicitly > open up this general topic for discussion, which I think would be a > healthy thing. :-o ????? to be comfortable with feelings and senses and calm and peacefull in that mode is a lotta work about. is it diversity of those stages, that you called worlds, what is common to the simple man in the machine of life, or is it distinction in the ways of doing things according with the laws of life, it is less important, really, because, you know... heh, we are really made different. just recognise that fact as is, and it is a good way to discuss anyway. everybody`s like, but totally different. and it is just like that. :-))))) > > Namaste, > > montane ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Lines: 183 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr29.news.prodigy.com 1073797220 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:00:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:00:20 EST X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCA[S@IRTX[ORON_RXA\JT@QDDMEPWXODMMHXMTWA]EPEWUQBKZQLYJX\_ITFD_KFVLUN[DOM_A_NSYNWPFWNS[XV\I]PZ@BQ[@CDQDPCL^FKCBIPC@KLGEZEFNMDYMKHRL_YYYGDSSODXYN@[\BK[LVTWI@AXGQCOA_SAH@TPD^\AL\RLGRFWEARBM Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:00:20 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr29.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!3db7a031!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12763 "montane" wrote in message news:gfj00098fd5p2odtpqt9ctql2hn99mie8b@4ax.com... > Hi, > > Thought I'd start a thread about something that, in one way or > another, relates to the experience of many of us. At least I believe > it does. > > Sometimes an attunement, a diksha (yoga attunement), a meditation > practice, or some spontaneous experience has a very strong and > temporarily disruptive effect on a person. (snip) One night in the woods I received an attunement (refer to the Surgery - Alex thread for that story). I didn't know what it was at the time, but it created an immediate change in my personality. I'm estimating I was 14 years of age, and it was probably in 1979 or 1980 so it was quite some time ago, and now I have the advantage of hindsight to tell this tale. Thereafter, the higher energy continued to contact (attune) me. Although that evening in the woods was met with no resistance, afterwards I did resist simply from the fear of the unknown. Usually the experience occurred when I was sleeping or was in between the sleeping and dreaming state. The same energies I bathed in the woods would surround me, but this time I was much more aware that "it was real." I think for a time I had convinced myself that the vision in the woods was just my imagination, however the regular recurrence eventually gave me reason to believe otherwise. I would be laying down, relaxing and entering that dreamlike state of mind and suddenly feel millions of tiny pin pricks covering my entire body. This was a very distinct, physical feeling. It literally felt like millions and millions of needles were lightly pricking all areas of my skin, and it was accompanied by a very strong resonance that vibrated through my entire being. When this began to happen I immediately returned to full consciousness, however I was also paralyzed and completely unable to move. I could not move my legs, arms, or even my neck to turn my head and hope the feeling of the pillow would awaken me from this dream. The sensation of pin pricks, and vibrational energy increased, sometimes to the point where I would try to scream (it was that painful). Then, as quickly as it began, it would withdraw. I knew I was not being physically harmed, and had a tremendous amount of physical vitality after it occurred each and every time. Nonetheless, I was quite terrified afterwards. The most painful and most intense experience occurred in 1984/1985. I know this because 1985 is the year I graduated High School. I was laying in bed fully conscious "reading a book" and the pin pricks began, followed by the powerful vibrational energy. This time I consciously resisted and said "NO." The process intensified, and I continued to resist. A glow of white light appeared before me, and this time - along with the pin pricks and strong vibrational energy, it felt as if I was physically levitated off of the bed, floating a foot or so above it. To this day I do not know if that actually occurred or if it was just my imagination (I still tell myself it was my imagination although the memory remains one of my most vivid). When the process was complete it seemed like I was lowered back onto the bed (again, that is only what it seemed like) and then the energy withdrew. As before, I was unharmed and quite revitalized. As before, I grew terrified. I began to understand that my fear was really caused by my loss of control - the energy after all, restricted movement of my body. That restrictive process of the energy continued for years, and did not begin to change until I received the Reiki Attunements. There was something about the way Reiki was taught that allowed me to begin feeling safe and comfortable with the energy. During the Level II attunement I felt safe enough to let go of my ego enough to expand outward to an undeterminable distance and time, and dare I say I was propelled by that very same energy that continually restricted my body in the past. The process of Reiki allowed me to begin feeling safe with this energy. Admittedly, during some treatments I became concerned I would be restrained again but that never happened. Through the treatment process I simply relaxed, let go, and allowed myself to feel comfortable with the process, the process of feeling the energy flow through my body. I also tried to be open to the suggestion of allowing the energy to integrate into my mind which was probably the most difficult thing for me to do. That would be most evident considering how I first presented myself here in 1998, and then re-presented myself in 2002. in 1998 there was still a strong element of rejection of the energy combined and complicated with a relationship focused on keeping me in my place (obviously that failed). 2002 brought my emergence with a lot of residual personal "crap" and a lot of anger. followed by a lot of Reiki Meditations to hopefully calm things down and balance things properly. So it was the other week we performed a group distance Attunement Experiment. I thought the entire process was wonderful, and loved participating and the experience overall. I had not expected one particular after effect that happened just the other morning. in bed. It seems Garry's impression was prophetic to some degree. It was early morning and I was somewhere in between sleeping and dreaming and being awake. The needles came, surrounding my entire body. The additional vibrational energy came, permeating my entire body. This time, I heard a chord and began to vocally resonate it. This time, the energy began to permeate my mind. My vocal chords resonated with the tone, and so too did my mind. This time my body was not restrained, and I was allowed to move. I felt so safe and comfortable it was one of the most welcome experiences I have had in a long time. The chord resonated throughout my entire mind, body, and being. I simply cannot describe the beauty of the experience through words (nor for that matter, its complexity). And the freedom of being able to move my body while surrounded by such energy! All I did was extend my arms from my abdomen so that they were stretched out to my side (as if laying in the snow to make an angel). As I resonated with the chord, the pin pricks and intense vibrational energy changed from a sensation of receiving to that of radiating. This was yet another completely new experience with the energy, and this time I think that being comfortable with the process had everything to do with it. Looking back with more hindsight, it has been very difficult keeping realities balanced between the physical world and the spiritual. The attunements have been absolutely painful and when I refused to integrate them into my life, amounted to complete and utter self destruction. It seemed there were times when I would exclusively focus on the spiritual and humanitarian ideals it represented, only to be met with opposition and failure in the real world. Focusing on the physical world to regain composure and stature only seemed to create a barrier to the spiritual. until I was in the homeless shelter that night and simply gave in to the Reiki, which has brought me to a very successful position. Successful not because I'm making lots of money (I'm not) but because I'm very happy doing what I'm doing, all the while creating new roads to explore in the future. I don't know what the future holds for my career goals, nor what new Reiki experiences I will have but I do know this: I'm comfortable with it. ===== Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ===== ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:46:27 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 153 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-565.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12770 Steven, Your experiences are striking -- and also interesting, even if they were (as you relate that they were) uncomfortable and scarry for you. I won't comment on them at this point. I'll just say that my own reactions after Reiki attunement have been more generally physical than the 'strange stuff' you've told us about. Like I said, for me it has been more a matter of headaces or aching in the medulla area, body heating during night sleep, increased volume in the nadi sounds, mid-day sleepiness, dry and sometimes reddened skin around the eyes and brows, or the re-stimulation of some old physical symptom which I've taken to be a matter of Reiki working on some traces of an old problem. I do not have most of these all the time, either -- though the medulla aching is fairly frequent, and the nadi sounds are always there to one degree or another. The reason I've mentioned these in relation to "big energy doses" is that -- as with the recent group attunement fest -- these symptoms may get more present or pronounced for me just after a strong attunement. Namaste, montane On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:00:20 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > >One night in the woods I received an attunement (refer to the Surgery - Alex >thread for that story). I didn't know what it was at the time, but it >created an immediate change in my personality. I'm estimating I was 14 >years of age, and it was probably in 1979 or 1980 so it was quite some time >ago, and now I have the advantage of hindsight to tell this tale. > >Thereafter, the higher energy continued to contact (attune) me. Although >that evening in the woods was met with no resistance, afterwards I did >resist simply from the fear of the unknown. > >Usually the experience occurred when I was sleeping or was in between the >sleeping and dreaming state. The same energies I bathed in the woods would >surround me, but this time I was much more aware that "it was real." I >think for a time I had convinced myself that the vision in the woods was >just my imagination, however the regular recurrence eventually gave me >reason to believe otherwise. > >I would be laying down, relaxing and entering that dreamlike state of mind >and suddenly feel millions of tiny pin pricks covering my entire body. This >was a very distinct, physical feeling. It literally felt like millions and >millions of needles were lightly pricking all areas of my skin, and it was >accompanied by a very strong resonance that vibrated through my entire >being. > >When this began to happen I immediately returned to full consciousness, >however I was also paralyzed and completely unable to move. I could not >move my legs, arms, or even my neck to turn my head and hope the feeling of >the pillow would awaken me from this dream. The sensation of pin pricks, >and vibrational energy increased, sometimes to the point where I would try >to scream (it was that painful). Then, as quickly as it began, it would >withdraw. > >I knew I was not being physically harmed, and had a tremendous amount of >physical vitality after it occurred each and every time. Nonetheless, I was >quite terrified afterwards. > >The most painful and most intense experience occurred in 1984/1985. I know >this because 1985 is the year I graduated High School. I was laying in bed >fully conscious "reading a book" and the pin pricks began, followed by the >powerful vibrational energy. This time I consciously resisted and said > "NO." The process intensified, and I continued to resist. A glow of white >light appeared before me, and this time - along with the pin pricks and >strong vibrational energy, it felt as if I was physically levitated off of >the bed, floating a foot or so above it. To this day I do not know if that >actually occurred or if it was just my imagination (I still tell myself it >was my imagination although the memory remains one of my most vivid). When >the process was complete it seemed like I was lowered back onto the bed >(again, that is only what it seemed like) and then the energy withdrew. > >As before, I was unharmed and quite revitalized. As before, I grew >terrified. I began to understand that my fear was really caused by my loss >of control - the energy after all, restricted movement of my body. > >That restrictive process of the energy continued for years, and did not >begin to change until I received the Reiki Attunements. > >There was something about the way Reiki was taught that allowed me to begin >feeling safe and comfortable with the energy. During the Level II >attunement I felt safe enough to let go of my ego enough to expand outward >to an undeterminable distance and time, and dare I say I was propelled by >that very same energy that continually restricted my body in the past. > >The process of Reiki allowed me to begin feeling safe with this energy. > >Admittedly, during some treatments I became concerned I would be restrained >again but that never happened. Through the treatment process I simply >relaxed, let go, and allowed myself to feel comfortable with the process, >the process of feeling the energy flow through my body. > >I also tried to be open to the suggestion of allowing the energy to >integrate into my mind which was probably the most difficult thing for me to >do. > >That would be most evident considering how I first presented myself here in >1998, and then re-presented myself in 2002. in 1998 there was still a strong >element of rejection of the energy combined and complicated with a >relationship focused on keeping me in my place (obviously that failed). >2002 brought my emergence with a lot of residual personal "crap" and a lot >of anger. followed by a lot of Reiki Meditations to hopefully calm things >down and balance things properly. > >So it was the other week we performed a group distance Attunement >Experiment. I thought the entire process was wonderful, and loved >participating and the experience overall. > >I had not expected one particular after effect that happened just the other >morning. in bed. It seems Garry's impression was prophetic to some degree. > >It was early morning and I was somewhere in between sleeping and dreaming >and being awake. The needles came, surrounding my entire body. The >additional vibrational energy came, permeating my entire body. This time, I >heard a chord and began to vocally resonate it. This time, the energy began >to permeate my mind. My vocal chords resonated with the tone, and so too >did my mind. This time my body was not restrained, and I was allowed to >move. I felt so safe and comfortable it was one of the most welcome >experiences I have had in a long time. The chord resonated throughout my >entire mind, body, and being. I simply cannot describe the beauty of the >experience through words (nor for that matter, its complexity). And the >freedom of being able to move my body while surrounded by such energy! All >I did was extend my arms from my abdomen so that they were stretched out to >my side (as if laying in the snow to make an angel). As I resonated with >the chord, the pin pricks and intense vibrational energy changed from a >sensation of receiving to that of radiating. > >This was yet another completely new experience with the energy, and this >time I think that being comfortable with the process had everything to do >with it. > >Looking back with more hindsight, it has been very difficult keeping >realities balanced between the physical world and the spiritual. The >attunements have been absolutely painful and when I refused to integrate >them into my life, amounted to complete and utter self destruction. It >seemed there were times when I would exclusively focus on the spiritual and >humanitarian ideals it represented, only to be met with opposition and >failure in the real world. Focusing on the physical world to regain >composure and stature only seemed to create a barrier to the spiritual. >until I was in the homeless shelter that night and simply gave in to the >Reiki, which has brought me to a very successful position. Successful not >because I'm making lots of money (I'm not) but because I'm very happy doing >what I'm doing, all the while creating new roads to explore in the future. > >I don't know what the future holds for my career goals, nor what new Reiki >experiences I will have but I do know this: I'm comfortable with it. > ###### Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:15:19 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.90.27 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.90.27 Message-ID: <4001bcdb_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1073855707 62.202.90.27 (11 Jan 2004 22:15:07 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 177 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12771 Hi I do not know for me attunements are like emotional hangovers .. in the following days / weeks I feel depressed , that is very unusual for me.. I have problems as eveybody has but suddenly take a huger dimension or maybe I just realize how I underestimate them.. I was reading your report and Steven's one and really feeling dowm.. I wish... I do not know , maybe that all was different , I.. anyway and the beat goes on! love and light Tzheo montane wrote: > Steven, > > Your experiences are striking -- and also interesting, even if they > were (as you relate that they were) uncomfortable and scarry for you. > I won't comment on them at this point. > > I'll just say that my own reactions after Reiki attunement have been > more generally physical than the 'strange stuff' you've told us about. > Like I said, for me it has been more a matter of headaces or aching in > the medulla area, body heating during night sleep, increased volume in > the nadi sounds, mid-day sleepiness, dry and sometimes reddened skin > around the eyes and brows, or the re-stimulation of some old physical > symptom which I've taken to be a matter of Reiki working on some > traces of an old problem. I do not have most of these all the time, > either -- though the medulla aching is fairly frequent, and the nadi > sounds are always there to one degree or another. > > The reason I've mentioned these in relation to "big energy doses" is > that -- as with the recent group attunement fest -- these symptoms may > get more present or pronounced for me just after a strong attunement. > > Namaste, > > montane > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:00:20 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > >>One night in the woods I received an attunement (refer to the Surgery - Alex >>thread for that story). I didn't know what it was at the time, but it >>created an immediate change in my personality. I'm estimating I was 14 >>years of age, and it was probably in 1979 or 1980 so it was quite some time >>ago, and now I have the advantage of hindsight to tell this tale. >> >>Thereafter, the higher energy continued to contact (attune) me. Although >>that evening in the woods was met with no resistance, afterwards I did >>resist simply from the fear of the unknown. >> >>Usually the experience occurred when I was sleeping or was in between the >>sleeping and dreaming state. The same energies I bathed in the woods would >>surround me, but this time I was much more aware that "it was real." I >>think for a time I had convinced myself that the vision in the woods was >>just my imagination, however the regular recurrence eventually gave me >>reason to believe otherwise. >> >>I would be laying down, relaxing and entering that dreamlike state of mind >>and suddenly feel millions of tiny pin pricks covering my entire body. This >>was a very distinct, physical feeling. It literally felt like millions and >>millions of needles were lightly pricking all areas of my skin, and it was >>accompanied by a very strong resonance that vibrated through my entire >>being. >> >>When this began to happen I immediately returned to full consciousness, >>however I was also paralyzed and completely unable to move. I could not >>move my legs, arms, or even my neck to turn my head and hope the feeling of >>the pillow would awaken me from this dream. The sensation of pin pricks, >>and vibrational energy increased, sometimes to the point where I would try >>to scream (it was that painful). Then, as quickly as it began, it would >>withdraw. >> >>I knew I was not being physically harmed, and had a tremendous amount of >>physical vitality after it occurred each and every time. Nonetheless, I was >>quite terrified afterwards. >> >>The most painful and most intense experience occurred in 1984/1985. I know >>this because 1985 is the year I graduated High School. I was laying in bed >>fully conscious "reading a book" and the pin pricks began, followed by the >>powerful vibrational energy. This time I consciously resisted and said >>"NO." The process intensified, and I continued to resist. A glow of white >>light appeared before me, and this time - along with the pin pricks and >>strong vibrational energy, it felt as if I was physically levitated off of >>the bed, floating a foot or so above it. To this day I do not know if that >>actually occurred or if it was just my imagination (I still tell myself it >>was my imagination although the memory remains one of my most vivid). When >>the process was complete it seemed like I was lowered back onto the bed >>(again, that is only what it seemed like) and then the energy withdrew. >> >>As before, I was unharmed and quite revitalized. As before, I grew >>terrified. I began to understand that my fear was really caused by my loss >>of control - the energy after all, restricted movement of my body. >> >>That restrictive process of the energy continued for years, and did not >>begin to change until I received the Reiki Attunements. >> >>There was something about the way Reiki was taught that allowed me to begin >>feeling safe and comfortable with the energy. During the Level II >>attunement I felt safe enough to let go of my ego enough to expand outward >>to an undeterminable distance and time, and dare I say I was propelled by >>that very same energy that continually restricted my body in the past. >> >>The process of Reiki allowed me to begin feeling safe with this energy. >> >>Admittedly, during some treatments I became concerned I would be restrained >>again but that never happened. Through the treatment process I simply >>relaxed, let go, and allowed myself to feel comfortable with the process, >>the process of feeling the energy flow through my body. >> >>I also tried to be open to the suggestion of allowing the energy to >>integrate into my mind which was probably the most difficult thing for me to >>do. >> >>That would be most evident considering how I first presented myself here in >>1998, and then re-presented myself in 2002. in 1998 there was still a strong >>element of rejection of the energy combined and complicated with a >>relationship focused on keeping me in my place (obviously that failed). >>2002 brought my emergence with a lot of residual personal "crap" and a lot >>of anger. followed by a lot of Reiki Meditations to hopefully calm things >>down and balance things properly. >> >>So it was the other week we performed a group distance Attunement >>Experiment. I thought the entire process was wonderful, and loved >>participating and the experience overall. >> >>I had not expected one particular after effect that happened just the other >>morning. in bed. It seems Garry's impression was prophetic to some degree. >> >>It was early morning and I was somewhere in between sleeping and dreaming >>and being awake. The needles came, surrounding my entire body. The >>additional vibrational energy came, permeating my entire body. This time, I >>heard a chord and began to vocally resonate it. This time, the energy began >>to permeate my mind. My vocal chords resonated with the tone, and so too >>did my mind. This time my body was not restrained, and I was allowed to >>move. I felt so safe and comfortable it was one of the most welcome >>experiences I have had in a long time. The chord resonated throughout my >>entire mind, body, and being. I simply cannot describe the beauty of the >>experience through words (nor for that matter, its complexity). And the >>freedom of being able to move my body while surrounded by such energy! All >>I did was extend my arms from my abdomen so that they were stretched out to >>my side (as if laying in the snow to make an angel). As I resonated with >>the chord, the pin pricks and intense vibrational energy changed from a >>sensation of receiving to that of radiating. >> >>This was yet another completely new experience with the energy, and this >>time I think that being comfortable with the process had everything to do >>with it. >> >>Looking back with more hindsight, it has been very difficult keeping >>realities balanced between the physical world and the spiritual. The >>attunements have been absolutely painful and when I refused to integrate >>them into my life, amounted to complete and utter self destruction. It >>seemed there were times when I would exclusively focus on the spiritual and >>humanitarian ideals it represented, only to be met with opposition and >>failure in the real world. Focusing on the physical world to regain >>composure and stature only seemed to create a barrier to the spiritual. >>until I was in the homeless shelter that night and simply gave in to the >>Reiki, which has brought me to a very successful position. Successful not >>because I'm making lots of money (I'm not) but because I'm very happy doing >>what I'm doing, all the while creating new roads to explore in the future. >> >>I don't know what the future holds for my career goals, nor what new Reiki >>experiences I will have but I do know this: I'm comfortable with it. >> > > -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw?Page=1 ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Lines: 83 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1073856507 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:28:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:28:27 EST X-UserInfo1: SCSYASRDPBSQB_\YGZIVOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:28:27 GMT X-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:29:20 GMT (newsr2.u-net.net) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newsr2.u-net.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!3db7a031!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12772 I don't have time or the energy to write a follow up story to that, but on my first visit to Japan I did a basic meditation at one of the "mini" temples scattered throughout the land... There I was met with a homecoming type of attunement, and had a migraine for 3 consecutive days thereafter. It was so intense I was unable to work and simply lay in bed that entire time. Moving any part of my body resulted in sheer agony, and the largest part of the pain was in my entire cranial area. Later still with my first series of Reiki Attunements, I became bedridden for one week... I had all the symptoms of influenza, a cold, and strep throat wrapped into one big Petri dish (i.e. my body). Only with this practice (Reiki) I felt safe enough to begin letting the energy integrate within my consciousness. Part of my issue was with my personality - not believing, not accepting even though the want to understand and intuition that it was natural was there. The other part was definitely physical - my diet was very poor and my body just wasn't accustomed to receive that amount of energy with such poor quality fuel inside it. Psychological rejection combined with poor physical diet complicated the experiences significantly for me. It was very uncomfortable and in many cases quite painful. Keeping a balance between a spiritual practice and the physical world was a never ending challenge that until recently resulted in failure. Continued regular practice of Reiki allowed me to eventually find that balance and integrate it into my life. Although it may be difficult to maintain balance after such an experience, persistence will pay off. Slack off, put it aside and rest from it for a while will more likely result in delaying the inevitable, perhaps until the existing physical body expires. Putting the practice aside will allow the undesirable elements that are now inhibiting progress to remain within the local matrix. Attunements stimulate a tremendous amount of energy within any given matrix. Metaphorically, gunk from the bottom of the swamp is stirred and thus become noticeable. Awareness of that "gunk" after the attunement or Reiki Meditation is what causes the greatest degree of imbalance. Stopping the practice only allows it to resettle where the psyche is comfortable with it, but continuing the practice will allow it to become purged (so to speak). Integrated healthily into the matrix is a better way to describe what needs to happen with the "gunk." For those of us who have not been forcibly removed from our physical vehicle, the process of separation (finding the balance) is very difficult and it takes a long, long time. ===== Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA ===== "montane" wrote in message news:ba9300t8l29s4oapc4lnee2ko9hrvq1t6n@4ax.com... > Steven, > > Your experiences are striking -- and also interesting, even if they > were (as you relate that they were) uncomfortable and scarry for you. > I won't comment on them at this point. > > I'll just say that my own reactions after Reiki attunement have been > more generally physical than the 'strange stuff' you've told us about. > Like I said, for me it has been more a matter of headaces or aching in > the medulla area, body heating during night sleep, increased volume in > the nadi sounds, mid-day sleepiness, dry and sometimes reddened skin > around the eyes and brows, or the re-stimulation of some old physical > symptom which I've taken to be a matter of Reiki working on some > traces of an old problem. I do not have most of these all the time, > either -- though the medulla aching is fairly frequent, and the nadi > sounds are always there to one degree or another. > > The reason I've mentioned these in relation to "big energy doses" is > that -- as with the recent group attunement fest -- these symptoms may > get more present or pronounced for me just after a strong attunement. > > Namaste, > > montane ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:42:14 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-752.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12777 On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:28:27 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > >Although it may be difficult to maintain balance after such an experience, >persistence will pay off. Slack off, put it aside and rest from it for a >while will more likely result in delaying the inevitable, perhaps until the >existing physical body expires. Putting the practice aside will allow the >undesirable elements that are now inhibiting progress to remain within the >local matrix. > You may be correct, but I'm not sure. At one time, I believed that the only way I could clear out psycho-spiritual gunk was with the type of yoga dhyan (meditation) that I was then doing. This was a practice that focused mainly, nearly exclusively, un the upper chakras. Subjectively, it seemed to me there was a sort of perpetual fog in my conscious mind, my dreams -- it even showed up in visions. My Reiki attunements and my practice of self-reiki cleared a very great deal of this fog away. In repsonse, I switched my meditation practice to hatsureiho. It's not to say I'd never go back to using the yoga-dhyan practice I used to adhere to, but I probably will not for a while yet. When I do, I'm sure I'll use a try-and-see approach. >Attunements stimulate a tremendous amount of energy within any given matrix. >Metaphorically, gunk from the bottom of the swamp is stirred and thus become >noticeable. Awareness of that "gunk" after the attunement or Reiki >Meditation is what causes the greatest degree of imbalance. Stopping the >practice only allows it to resettle where the psyche is comfortable with it, >but continuing the practice will allow it to become purged (so to speak). >Integrated healthily into the matrix is a better way to describe what needs >to happen with the "gunk." > I know what you're saying, but would again say pretty much what I did above. There are the practicalities of daily life. A monk or nun (like in south or east Asia) is usually in a situation to minimize the responsibilities and active interchanges with "the world." I'm not in that position. In our N American society, maybe the retired man or woman is in that position. But me -- I've got to keep things within a reasonable comfort zone so as to function pretty well every day. >For those of us who have not been forcibly removed from our physical >vehicle, the process of separation (finding the balance) is very difficult >and it takes a long, long time. > Agreed. montane ###### Message-ID: <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:48:44 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1073875714 65.30.225.94 (Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:48:34 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:48:34 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!204.127.161.156!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12779 montane wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:28:27 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: :) > >For those of us who have not been forcibly removed from our physical > >vehicle, the process of separation (finding the balance) is very > >difficult and it takes a long, long time. > > Agreed. > > montane A tip from someone that has "been forcibly removed from our physical vehicle". As soon as I realized the extent of my injury I started drawing UE to the injured areas of my body & I have never intentionally stopped since that time to draw Reiki/UE to me body. As for 'finding the balance' try less intensive meditation for a while & just enjoy the feeling of being relaxed & at peace with yourself, even when the work a day world is screaming at you. Instead of counting to 10 just send your mind to a peaceful place for that length of time & draw Reiki/UE to your self & picture it forming a shield to protect you from the external pressure. IME, if you constantly draw Reiki/UE to you a 'large dose' like from the group attunement shouldn't have a negative effect on you. My wife brought the Flu home from work new years week & thanks to the extra amount of Reiki/UE I got from the group attunement I only had a scratchy throat & runny nose for 1 day & I directed a lot of it to her & she had no symptoms. I am really sorry to hear all the negative reports from others because I have never had anyone tell me they felt worse from me sending/directing UE to them. GramPaHugs, Alex, -- ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:18:21 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <6c74009akrfdnd3muao84bptva4lia3d83@4ax.com> References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-146.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12781 On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:48:44 -0600, Alex Barna wrote: >As for 'finding the balance' try less intensive meditation for a while & just >enjoy the feeling of being relaxed & at peace with yourself, even when the work >a day world is screaming at you. > Yes, this is what I've been doing. >Instead of counting to 10 just send your mind to a peaceful place for that >length of time & draw Reiki/UE to your self & picture it forming a shield to >protect you from the external pressure. > >IME, if you constantly draw Reiki/UE to you a 'large dose' like from the group >attunement shouldn't have a negative effect on you. > Maybe I was a bit unclear by how I worded it. I don't consider the effect to be negative, even when I get some symptoms as a reaction. It's just part of the adjustment, and I pretty well accept that. I have lots and lots of experience with these kinds of things. Any distracting or unpleasant effects that I may get from time to time connected with Reiki are *nothing* compared to what used to result from yoga meditation. !!! >I am really sorry to hear all the negative reports from others because I have >never had anyone tell me they felt worse from me sending/directing UE to them. > Gee, I gave the wrong impression. I didn't feel 'worse' but simply felt an adjustment reaction. There's no real problem, and certainly no blame and nothing for anyone to feel sorry over, Alex -- honest. I believe that Steven and I are mainly talking about past experiences, which were more grueling for each of us. I raised the topic, in my original post, because of potential value within the AHR conversation, not to characterize our "attunement fest" nas negative or unpleasant -- it was which was a great thing. :-) A friend has been feeling some attunement reactions, so I thought a good round of discussion might help each of us here to understand more about these things, should they occur to us. Blessings, montane ###### Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:51:23 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.88.107 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.88.107 Message-ID: <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1073890269 62.202.88.107 (12 Jan 2004 07:51:09 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 61 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12782 Hi sorry what is UE Reiki/UE? Thanks Theo Alex Barna wrote: > > montane wrote: > >>On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:28:27 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" >> wrote: > > :) > >>>For those of us who have not been forcibly removed from our physical >>>vehicle, the process of separation (finding the balance) is very >>>difficult and it takes a long, long time. >> >>Agreed. >> >>montane > > > A tip from someone that has "been forcibly removed from our physical vehicle". > > As soon as I realized the extent of my injury I started drawing UE to the > injured areas of my body & I have never intentionally stopped since that time to > draw Reiki/UE to me body. > > As for 'finding the balance' try less intensive meditation for a while & just > enjoy the feeling of being relaxed & at peace with yourself, even when the work > a day world is screaming at you. > > Instead of counting to 10 just send your mind to a peaceful place for that > length of time & draw Reiki/UE to your self & picture it forming a shield to > protect you from the external pressure. > > IME, if you constantly draw Reiki/UE to you a 'large dose' like from the group > attunement shouldn't have a negative effect on you. > > My wife brought the Flu home from work new years week & thanks to the extra > amount of Reiki/UE I got from the group attunement I only had a scratchy throat > & runny nose for 1 day & I directed a lot of it to her & she had no symptoms. > > I am really sorry to hear all the negative reports from others because I have > never had anyone tell me they felt worse from me sending/directing UE to them. > > GramPaHugs, > Alex, > > -- -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw?Page=1 ###### From: gdwill@earthlink.net (Garry Williams) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:27:45 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4002927a.592267@news.Individual.NET> References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> Reply-To: gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37ka054.dialup.mindspring.com (207.69.0.164) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1073910217 11693021 207.69.0.164 ([218672]) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!user-37ka054.dialup.mindspring.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12784 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:51:23 +0100, Theo wrote: >Hi sorry what is UE Reiki/UE? > Thanks > Theo Theo, UE is an abbreviation for Universal Energy. Garry ###### Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:37:23 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> <4002927a.592267@news.Individual.NET> In-Reply-To: <4002927a.592267@news.Individual.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.88.107 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.88.107 Message-ID: <4002bf23_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1073921827 62.202.88.107 (12 Jan 2004 16:37:07 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 40 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12785 HI Garry Thanks I am so happy that Steven and Montane have such wonderful experiences and sad that I have not ! wish I could live 1/10 of what they felt I had some when younger but not so beautiful BTW today is Reiju day is it starting from UK so it is already ok for me to join here early morning UE in UE(united Europe :-))? bright blessings T H E O Garry Williams wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:51:23 +0100, Theo wrote: > > >>Hi sorry what is UE Reiki/UE? >> Thanks >> Theo > > > Theo, UE is an abbreviation for Universal Energy. > > Garry > -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw?Page=1 ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:17:33 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> <4002927a.592267@news.Individual.NET> <4002bf23_1@news.bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-779.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12786 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:37:23 +0100, Theo wrote: >HI Garry > Thanks > I am so happy that Steven and Montane have such wonderful >experiences and sad that I have not ! >wish I could live 1/10 of what they felt >I had some when younger but not so beautiful > Theo, my experiences may be more prosaic than you think. What is wonderful is simply to feel well connected with the Universal Energy and to feel more and more that one is healthy, and that one is gaining in understanding of spiritual things. (Actually, it's debatable whether "understanding" is the best word, though.) Visionary experiences vary from person to person. Some people seem to get a lot, some do not -- and I'm not sure I'm in the same league, in that respect, as Steven. I believe each of us values experiences that confirm that we are progressing along our path. But such experiences may be of a visionary type, for some people, and of some other type or types, for other people. I like it when I feel very clear-headed, connected with all Life, have good relations with other people, feel creative and capable, and am healthy. Namaste, montane ###### From: gaotanma@india.com (Garry) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: 12 Jan 2004 10:59:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> <4002927a.592267@news.Individual.NET> <4002bf23_1@news.bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.121.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1073933989 28541 127.0.0.1 (12 Jan 2004 18:59:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews1.google.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12787 Theo wrote in message news:<4002bf23_1@news.bluewin.ch>... > I am so happy that Steven and Montane have such wonderful > experiences and sad that I have not ! > wish I could live 1/10 of what they felt > I had some when younger but not so beautiful Everyone's experience is unique, Theo, including yours. What's there to be envious of? Is the grass *really* greener on the other side of the fence, or does it just look that way from where you're standing? :-) Then there's the old adage of "be careful what you wish for, you may get it!" ;-) > BTW today is Reiju day is it starting from UK so it is already ok > for me to join here early morning UE in UE(united Europe :-))? You can tune in whenever you like. Taggart once told me about a guy who tuned in on Wednesday, "as if it were Monday" and received the reiju just fine. Help yourself whenever you're ready! :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### Message-ID: <4002F257.6FCDD92@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <6c74009akrfdnd3muao84bptva4lia3d83@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 94 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:10:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1073934626 65.30.225.94 (Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:10:26 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:10:26 CST Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12788 Hi Joel, montane wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:48:44 -0600, Alex Barna > wrote: > > >IME, if you constantly draw Reiki/UE to you a 'large dose' like from > >the group attunement shouldn't have a negative effect on you. > > > Maybe I was a bit unclear by how I worded it. I don't consider the > effect to be negative, even when I get some symptoms as a reaction. > It's just part of the adjustment, and I pretty well accept that. I > have lots and lots of experience with these kinds of things. I probably need to read more & say less. :) I first heard about Reiki in August 00 from Kitten (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) that used to post here in AHR & on alt.med.fibromyalgia & I started to read AHR then. My first connection with Reiki energy was 4/30/01 when I asked for Reiki for my wife who had been diagnosed with cancer. What I *saw/felt* being sent was the same Universal Golden Energy I have used my entire life & the same energy I *saw/felt* during the group attunement. Though there were some slightly different colors & feel in that energy. > Any distracting or unpleasant effects that I may get from time to time > connected with Reiki are *nothing* compared to what used to result > from yoga meditation. !!! I have no idea what anyone may feel from doing yoga meditation, but thought I understood Reiki. > >I am really sorry to hear all the negative reports from others > >because I have never had anyone tell me they felt worse from me > >sending/directing UE to them. > Gee, I gave the wrong impression. I didn't feel 'worse' but simply > felt an adjustment reaction. There's no real problem, and certainly > no blame and nothing for anyone to feel sorry over, Alex -- honest. I didn't mean that I felt responsible for the negative reactions, but that I am sorry that everyone hasn't had the same Positive effect from the use of the Energy that I have. ^_^ > I believe that Steven and I are mainly talking about past experiences, > which were more grueling for each of us. Yes, but I got the impression the topic was related to the not good experences that were reported in the group attunement thread & the idea that a Reiki attunement can cause (to quote your first post in this thread) "a very strong and temporarily disruptive effect on a person." > I raised the topic, in my original post, because of potential value > within the AHR conversation, not to characterize our "attunement fest" > as negative or unpleasant -- it was which was a great thing. :-) OK! Though I was including comments made by Theo, Boris & others like Seasick Salior who posted today about adverse reactions he has been having. > A friend has been feeling some attunement reactions, so I thought a > good round of discussion might help each of us here to understand more > about these things, should they occur to us. Keeping in mind that the concept of attunement as discussed here on AHR & on many of the web sites I have read is relatively new to me & I had never attempted to attune anyone in that manner before 01/01/04 I'm just having a hard time imagining anyone having 'attunement reactions'. :) I'm trying to relate it to the "ingestion of some strong drug". Having had that experience & never having been new to Universal Energy I guess I just don't have a reference point. My point/thoughts, are that before a person should be attuned by sending a huge burst of Energy at them they should be given small amounts to get the feel for the energy & start them on the path towards self healing. I also thought that that was the Intent of the levels of attunement in Usui Reiki. Start small & with practice & experience work up to a higher quantity/level of access to the Energy. I hope this clears up any misconceptions we may have had about what either of us may have meant about what we said. ^_^ GramPaHugs, Alex, > Blessings, > > montane -- ###### Message-ID: <4002F66E.BDDE1BFD@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 78 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:33:02 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1073935970 65.30.225.94 (Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:32:50 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:32:50 CST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12790 Hi Theo, Theo wrote: > > Hi sorry what is UE Reiki/UE? > Thanks > Theo I was born attuned & during my experience while dead in 1958 came to recognize that energy as Universal Golden Energy. Reiki is the Japanese word for that Universal Energy. Since the way I have always accessed & used that Energy is different than the Usui Reiki method, & I am now learning the Usui Reiki method, I have been refering to the combined methods as Reiki/UE to indicate that I am talking about both methods. Hope I haven't confused you to much. ^_^ Sending Good Thoughts, {{{Theo}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, > Alex Barna wrote: > > > > > montane wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:28:27 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > >> wrote: > > > > :) > > > >>>For those of us who have not been forcibly removed from our physical > >>>vehicle, the process of separation (finding the balance) is very > >>>difficult and it takes a long, long time. > >> > >>Agreed. > >> > >>montane > > > > > > A tip from someone that has "been forcibly removed from our physical vehicle". > > > > As soon as I realized the extent of my injury I started drawing UE to the > > injured areas of my body & I have never intentionally stopped since that time to > > draw Reiki/UE to me body. > > > > As for 'finding the balance' try less intensive meditation for a while & just > > enjoy the feeling of being relaxed & at peace with yourself, even when the work > > a day world is screaming at you. > > > > Instead of counting to 10 just send your mind to a peaceful place for that > > length of time & draw Reiki/UE to your self & picture it forming a shield to > > protect you from the external pressure. > > > > IME, if you constantly draw Reiki/UE to you a 'large dose' like from the group > > attunement shouldn't have a negative effect on you. > > > > My wife brought the Flu home from work new years week & thanks to the extra > > amount of Reiki/UE I got from the group attunement I only had a scratchy throat > > & runny nose for 1 day & I directed a lot of it to her & she had no symptoms. > > > > I am really sorry to hear all the negative reports from others because I have > > never had anyone tell me they felt worse from me sending/directing UE to them. > > > > GramPaHugs, > > Alex, > > -- > -- > S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: > byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 > my bonsais: > http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw?Page=1 -- ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <400307C5.CA35E080@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 80 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:50:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1073940630 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:50:30 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:50:30 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!feedme.news.mediaways.net!telefonica.de!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12793 Hi montane, My attunements didn't trigger any large 'disruptions' and I have a comment about the phenomenon....and it doesn't apply to everyone's world, of course. (I added the last part for those who need an escape hatch!) The way we humans put our lives together is to suppress, integrate, make up stories about, and do all sorts of things to explain ourselves to other humans.....to look good, dominate, avoid domination, etc. This means we are bundles of suppressed emotions, hidden feelings, etc. busy 'coping' with life. We have conditioned ourselves to have explanations/resolutions for our family issues, relationship issues, health issues, gender issues, etc. We engage in something like Reiki, which doesn't give much concern for our own hidden stuff. It will bring 'balance' to our lives which starts to unravel our 'personas' so that we are more 'in the present'. Well, guess what? We suddenly start to stare these issues in the face and have to deal with them a new way or let them go. Initially we can't recognize them for what they are. We just have this sense of unease or even a feeling of de-toxing (which we may be doing). Since there is no ultimate good or bad in our life issues, we allow ourselves to re-experience them and they vanish, or we take the other road of labelling them as positive and negative and re-add them to the soup. So we get to face them again tomorrow, after our next Reiki session or due to the continuing effect of today's Reiki! The most 'healthy' way to live is in the present, and this includes psychological issues too. On the other hand, when some issues dissolve we are left with a ton of weight removed from our shoulders and the world gets to carry itself instead of depending on us (we think). The result could be a supreme high! Best way to handle it all is to go right through it. Experience it all! Ever heard of the expression 'to force feed one's emotions'? Now is the time! Cheers Rich montane wrote: > > Hi, > > Thought I'd start a thread about something that, in one way or > another, relates to the experience of many of us. At least I believe > it does. > > Sometimes an attunement, a diksha (yoga attunement), a meditation > practice, or some spontaneous experience has a very strong and > temporarily disruptive effect on a person. To make a parallel with > the ingestion of some strong drug is maybe misleading in some ways, > but in other ways it is not so inaccurate. > > Fo myself, I began having such experiences from time to time twenty > years or so ago, because I had taken up yoga-meditation practices. > Sometimes I would go on retreat and meditate for up to eight or more > hours a day, and wind up in a happy but isolated place (from the > "wordly" perspective)-- but feeling like there was a barrier between > myself and other people. Sometimes also my ability to concentrate on > external things -- like conversations, bookkeeping, driving, etc -- > was severely affected. > > After a while, even doing two half-hour meditation sessions in a day > got to be too strong for me to manage. > > I've had a few strong experiences like this (but tending to involve > headaces, sleepiness, or the re-stimulation of some old physical > symptom) since I was first attuned to Reiki, and also some less-strong > ones. In general, my experiences of this sort with Reiki have not > dislocated me socially or interpersonally nearly in the way that some > of my experiences with yoga did. > > I have noticed that the theme of being comfortable with how we feel, > in an everyday sense, comes up in AHR. For some, it is mostly a > matter of the psychology or awareness of the spiritual world versus > the psychology of the common social world. For others, it is more a > matter of odd physical symptoms. But I thought I would explicitly > open up this general topic for discussion, which I think would be a > healthy thing. :-o ????? > > Namaste, > > montane ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:15:33 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <400307C5.CA35E080@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-097.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) trialware Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12795 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:50:30 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hi montane, >My attunements didn't trigger any large 'disruptions' and I have a >comment about the phenomenon....and it doesn't apply to everyone's >world, of course. (I added the last part for those who need an escape >hatch!) Good that you put in that caveat, because for myself I did not have the kind of illness response ("detoxifying") after my attunements that some people report, but I accept it as a possiblity and even a likelihood that *some* people do have that experience. And that it is okay, because it is part of something good and will lead to a better state of health. For myself, I didn't have any physical reactions until weeks or months after my first two attunements. And when I did, I do not think they fit the general description of the detox. >The way we humans put our lives together is to suppress, >integrate, make up stories about, and do all sorts of things to explain >ourselves to other humans.....to look good, dominate, avoid domination, >etc. This means we are bundles of suppressed emotions, hidden feelings, >etc. busy 'coping' with life. I can relate to this, myself (waiting for others' perhaps very different opinions), because that was the first thing I experienced: the dissolving of old attitudes, old suppressed negative feelings, old decisions -- all of this, for me, was painless and 'as if by magic'. It did not make me perfect, it simply relieved me greatly. > We have conditioned ourselves to have >explanations/resolutions for our family issues, relationship issues, >health issues, gender issues, etc. We engage in something like Reiki, >which doesn't give much concern for our own hidden stuff. It will bring >'balance' to our lives which starts to unravel our 'personas' so that we >are more 'in the present'. Well, guess what? We suddenly start to stare >these issues in the face and have to deal with them a new way or let >them go. Initially we can't recognize them for what they are. We just >have this sense of unease or even a feeling of de-toxing (which we may >be doing). There are *issues* (which I take to be on the level of emotions and feelings and attitudes), and quite distinct from these are sort of psycho-physical effects like neck ache, reddened skin, body heating, intensified nadi sounds, etc. > Since there is no ultimate good or bad in our life issues, we >allow ourselves to re-experience them and they vanish, or we take the >other road of labelling them as positive and negative and re-add them to >the soup. So we get to face them again tomorrow, after our next Reiki >session or due to the continuing effect of today's Reiki! The most >'healthy' way to live is in the present, and this includes psychological >issues too. I agree with your last point, and also that "there is no ultimate good or bad in our life issues" -- so accept them. >On the other hand, when some issues dissolve we are left with a ton of >weight removed from our shoulders and the world gets to carry itself >instead of depending on us (we think). The result could be a supreme >high! I sure agree with you there!! :o) The reason I posted is that the fact of psycho-physical effects has been real to me (through experience) for more than 20 years, whereas some people are feeling distress and confusion because they have not experienced these sorts of things before, except maybe due to their response to some drug. Namaste, montane ###### Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:52:51 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <%djMb.9517$mr4.8780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <40020B0C.1FE7E597@mn.rr.com> <400243dd_2@news.bluewin.ch> <4002927a.592267@news.Individual.NET> <4002bf23_1@news.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.3.231 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.3.231 Message-ID: <400395af_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1073976751 62.203.3.231 (13 Jan 2004 07:52:31 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 54 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12802 HI Montane montane wrote: > Theo, my experiences may be more prosaic than you think. Well yes comparatively to Steven'experiences that are exceptional you are right I never had such a visions except in my dreams that sometimes has ben *epic* what I suspect about myself is to be too much *rooted* in the reality*, though Steven said about himself skeptic that on the contrary I am not, I do not believe whatever , but I always feel that there is a possibility that even the most irrationl event *might have a basic * reality, I have personally experienced so many amazing things through people from the net that *irrational* for me is an unknown reality of rational, but I still am far too much anchored, rooted in my earthen plane, and that I regret! > What is wonderful is simply to feel well connected with the Universal > Energy and to feel more and more that one is healthy, and that one is > gaining in understanding of spiritual things. (Actually, it's > debatable whether "understanding" is the best word, though.) health I do understand spirituals things less. in the meaning that maybe I always have been some *spiritual* so the change is so nuanced that I do not relly realize as is probably smootly integerate as a part of my daily life > Visionary experiences vary from person to person. Some people seem to > get a lot, some do not -- and I'm not sure I'm in the same league, in > that respect, as Steven. yes he is lucky indeed > I believe each of us values experiences > that confirm that we are progressing along our path. But such > experiences may be of a visionary type, for some people, and of some > other type or types, for other people. I have to agree > I like it when I feel very clear-headed, connected with all Life, have > good relations with other people, feel creative and capable, and am > healthy. I guess this shoudl be the wisest way to see and accept it .. but a little more of *wondrous* would be appreciated , my 2 cents :-) -- S.O.S.Bonsai < Un rapido ed efficace aiuto online> contatta: byjoke@bluewin.ch or Theo_694@hotmail.com or ICQ 25 666 169 4 my bonsais: http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/ibonsaiditheo.msnw?Page=1 ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <40078707.D82DAF8E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reeling from a big energy dose References: <400307C5.CA35E080@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 118 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:39:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1074235141 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:39:01 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:39:01 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!feed.cgocable.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:12855 Hi montane, Couple of last comments then I'm back to busy lurking. :) > Good that you put in that caveat, because for myself I did not have > the kind of illness response ("detoxifying") after my attunements that > some people report, but I accept it as a possiblity and even a > likelihood that *some* people do have that experience. And that it is > okay, because it is part of something good and will lead to a better > state of health. You will also notice that for lots of people (in my own experience and observation) when folks 'tell the truth' about their lives like, end a relationship, quit a job, or 'have that significant conversation' with a friend, family member, or someone else of importance in their lives, they come down with a cold or flu-like symptoms. They treat the 'illness' like it is a nuisance and it would dissipate more quickly if they just stayed in the presence of it. > For myself, I didn't have any physical reactions until weeks or months > after my first two attunements. And when I did, I do not think they > fit the general description of the detox. It is interesting that many disciplines caution against overloading the 'purifying organs' when going on a so-called cleansing path. I don't know if de-toxing means anything at all. The chap who told me about his Rolfing (body-work) experiences said he quit the sessions because he became quite belligerent towards his father after each session. Turns out that he had unresolved issues that ended up embedded in his body. When I was Rolfed, I was always euphoric after the sessions and maybe because I was always the 'strong, silent type'. (In reality, just someone scared of life!) > >The way we humans put our lives together is to... > > I can relate to this, myself (waiting for others' perhaps very > different opinions), because that was the first thing I experienced: > the dissolving of old attitudes, old suppressed negative feelings, old > decisions -- all of this, for me, was painless and 'as if by magic'. This is quite interesting and kind of what I am investigating these days.... I believe in what is called 'discontinuous change'. It has happened for me and many of my friends through particular workshops. It means that to get from a particular position or attitude to another does not require any transition period. It happens instantaneously. I went from totally disliking my job, my bosses, and the company attitude to being completely supportive and looking for opportunities to express myself...in a matter of a two-day workshop. It lasted for 15 years, until my retirement. I myself have not experienced anything like that from Reiki/UE/prayer/positive thinking/meditation, etc. > There are *issues* (which I take to be on the level of emotions and > feelings and attitudes), and quite distinct from these are sort of > psycho-physical effects like neck ache, reddened skin, body heating, > intensified nadi sounds, etc. I have industrial hearing damage and resulting tinnitus. Sometimes after a self-Reiki session my world becomes as quiet as can be, Absolutely no 'noise'. In that interval I really have some sense of being 'centered' or grounded. I feel very much connected with the rest of y'all. It is hard to explain. > > Since there is no ultimate good or bad in our life issues, we > >allow ourselves to re-experience them and they vanish, or we take the > >other road of labelling them as positive and negative and re-add them to > >the soup. So we get to face them again tomorrow, after our next Reiki > >session or due to the continuing effect of today's Reiki! The most > >'healthy' way to live is in the present, and this includes psychological > >issues too. > > I agree with your last point, and also that "there is no ultimate good > or bad in our life issues" -- so accept them. I'm not sure of the 'accept them' part, montane. I would be more comfortable with 'observing them'. For me, 'accepting them' seems to conjure up some kind of struggle to weigh the pluses against the minuses and decide the pluses (therefore, acceptance) should win. It also should be clear we don't mean 'resigning ourselves to'. > >On the other hand, when some issues dissolve we are left with a ton of > >weight removed from our shoulders and the world gets to carry itself > >instead of depending on us (we think). The result could be a supreme > >high! > > I sure agree with you there!! :o) > > The reason I posted is that the fact of psycho-physical effects has > been real to me (through experience) for more than 20 years, whereas > some people are feeling distress and confusion because they have not > experienced these sorts of things before, except maybe due to their > response to some drug. Yep, I understood that from your posting. It is interesting to notice how we have been conditioned by our society to have to experience certain emotions for things to be true. I read how judges impose heavier sentences because their 'clients' haven't displayed adequate 'remorse', so now lawyers are sending these clients to 'remorse school' so they can learn the appropriate gestures, body language and facial expressions to 'win' lesser sentences. Good grief! Hey, it's all marketing!! :) Cheers Rich