From: "John Neiberger" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.47.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s04 1071443927 24.8.47.201 (Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:18:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:18:47 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:18:47 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!attbi_s04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11855 > John Neiberger writes > > > >Regarding Reiki for food, then, would it be possible to do Reiki on a > >refrigerator?? > > > The only limits are within our own imaginations. (And the ethical > boundaries of those who specifically *don't* want Reiki.) Other than > that, the field's wide open ... > -- > Judy > http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk Interesting! That leads me to another question. On another Reiki site I read some anecdotes of people using Reiki on non-living inanimate objects, like broken cars, for example. Is that a common occurrence? If so, is it very effective? Again, as silly as it sounds I'm new to this and still exploring Reiki and other energetic healing methods. An example closer to home: could I (or someone else) use Reiki on my cable modem with the bad power connector that is about to cause it to fail completely? If someone did use Reiki on my cable modem, could we legitimately expect results? This has ramifications beyond the question at hand. I've read that some believe that it's the receiver of the Reiki who draws the energy from the universe, not the practitioner who *sends* the energy to the recipient. If that's the case, how could inanimate or non-conscious items ever accept the energy? Regards, John ###### From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:57:02 +0000 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1071449896 2321 194.222.30.223 (15 Dec 2003 00:58:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:58:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.tiscali.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11859 John Neiberger writes > That leads me to another question. On another Reiki site I read >some anecdotes of people using Reiki on non-living inanimate objects, like >broken cars, for example. Is that a common occurrence? If so, is it very >effective? Again, as silly as it sounds I'm new to this and still exploring >Reiki and other energetic healing methods. It's not at all silly, but I've no idea how common an occurrence it is. Though I think if you (or rather one) accept the idea that all matter is energy ... then it begins to make more sense. On the non-helpful side, in my days of employment, I had a very uneasy relationship with photocopy machines. Just let me touch the button, & the things would jam, scream they were out of toner or reset themselves to produce A3 enlargements in the darkest possible hue. This was long before I started consciously working with energy, but the only possible conclusion was that there was something in my energetic field that was at odds with these particular machines. And if *that's* possible, then so is a positive interaction. > >An example closer to home: could I (or someone else) use Reiki on my cable >modem with the bad power connector that is about to cause it to fail >completely? If someone did use Reiki on my cable modem, could we >legitimately expect results? Yes, of course it could be done. And a result *might* be seen. Might not be quite as expected. You'll no doubt cover this in class, but Reiki isn't an instant magic wand that can immediately resurrect every failing machine. With Reiki or without it, machines fail, people & animals pass on. What does change, very often, is our own relationship to and feelings about those events. > >This has ramifications beyond the question at hand. I've read that some >believe that it's the receiver of the Reiki who draws the energy from the >universe, not the practitioner who *sends* the energy to the recipient. If >that's the case, how could inanimate or non-conscious items ever accept the >energy? OK. You said it. "Some believe". What are your beliefs regarding consciousness ? Is there a definite dividing line between what (who) is and is not conscious, or is it the case that there are apparently differing degrees or types of consciousness ? One of the great benefits of Reiki is the way it prompts us to (re) examine these sort of questions and reach our own conclusions. It's enjoyable :) -- Judy http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:55:39 -0000 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.234.140 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1071506818 15822 217.134.234.140 (15 Dec 2003 16:46:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2003 16:46:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11872 > > >Regarding Reiki for food, then, would it be possible to do Reiki on a > > >refrigerator?? > > > > > > The only limits are within our own imaginations. (And the ethical > > boundaries of those who specifically *don't* want Reiki.) Other than > > that, the field's wide open ... > > > > Interesting! That leads me to another question. On another Reiki site I read > some anecdotes of people using Reiki on non-living inanimate objects, like > broken cars, for example. Is that a common occurrence? If so, is it very > effective? Again, as silly as it sounds I'm new to this and still exploring > Reiki and other energetic healing methods. > This actually gets into a sort of meta-physical type argument (or discussion really!). I think that what it comes down to is ... what you beleive! More and more people are thinking that- to a certain extent - we make our own reality. Taking cars- if you walk around going "I know that car is just going to break down, I just know it....", after a while, this ol' poolyverse in which we live goes "Car- breakdown, OK! If thats what you want". Don't you know people who massively focus on the bad- and then guess what happens after a while? Now conversely, if you send Reiki to you car, imagining it bathed in light & fully working, might it not stay working for longer? I think that looking back at our lives we can say that we have created a lot of our own reality (for good or real kick-in-the teeth outcomes!) - where does that end? I don't know, but I suspect it is a lot further than we imagine. I managed to - by suddenly 'getting the craic' of manifesting good things in my life - stop my dog from p***ing and the kitchen floor every morning, resusitated a relationship that had been dead for over a year (twat, idiot- see kick in the teeth above), make work sudenly appear- all sorts within literally days of getting 'into the groove' so to speak. This may sound OT, but its not really- I think that if you are sure that Reiki will sort your modem, then it will! However if you don't ***beleive*** it will, can't 'picture' a healthy modem, etc, then it wont. I do also think that this is a slightly different process to ;standard' healing Reiki though. > An example closer to home: could I (or someone else) use Reiki on my cable > modem with the bad power connector that is about to cause it to fail > completely? If someone did use Reiki on my cable modem, could we > legitimately expect results? > > This has ramifications beyond the question at hand. I've read that some > believe that it's the receiver of the Reiki who draws the energy from the > universe, not the practitioner who *sends* the energy to the recipient. If > that's the case, how could inanimate or non-conscious items ever accept the > energy? > Does it matter? End object gets a goodly zap, who cares what routing the cable took? Ever think about the wiring of the phone when you get a call? ;-) I'm a scientific analytical type (A diana ross in Computer Science/ Business & IT / same thing in French- yes three degrees!)- don't! Get into that touchy-feely side of your personality, look for outcomes, and let the Universe sort out that great Sisco Router in the sky! Think of it as a black box process- I (or whoever) am here- want to be there, the mechanics will be sorted.... ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 73 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:59:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1071511158 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:59:18 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:59:18 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11873 Only thing missing in your posting is the preliminary statement, 'This is not the truth. This is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing but my opinion.' Rich Jonathan wrote: > > > > >Regarding Reiki for food, then, would it be possible to do Reiki on a > > > >refrigerator?? > > > > > > > > > The only limits are within our own imaginations. (And the ethical > > > boundaries of those who specifically *don't* want Reiki.) Other than > > > that, the field's wide open ... > > > > > > Interesting! That leads me to another question. On another Reiki site I > read > > some anecdotes of people using Reiki on non-living inanimate objects, like > > broken cars, for example. Is that a common occurrence? If so, is it very > > effective? Again, as silly as it sounds I'm new to this and still > exploring > > Reiki and other energetic healing methods. > > > > This actually gets into a sort of meta-physical type argument (or discussion > really!). I think that what it comes down to is ... what you beleive! > More and more people are thinking that- to a certain extent - we make our > own reality. Taking cars- if you walk around going "I know that car is just > going to break down, I just know it....", after a while, this ol' poolyverse > in which we live goes "Car- breakdown, OK! If thats what you want". > Don't you know people who massively focus on the bad- and then guess what > happens after a while? > Now conversely, if you send Reiki to you car, imagining it bathed in light & > fully working, might it not stay working for longer? > > I think that looking back at our lives we can say that we have created a lot > of our own reality (for good or real kick-in-the teeth outcomes!) - where > does that end? I don't know, but I suspect it is a lot further than we > imagine. > > I managed to - by suddenly 'getting the craic' of manifesting good things in > my life - stop my dog from p***ing and the kitchen floor every morning, > resusitated a relationship that had been dead for over a year (twat, idiot- > see kick in the teeth above), make work sudenly appear- all sorts within > literally days of getting 'into the groove' so to speak. > This may sound OT, but its not really- I think that if you are sure that > Reiki will sort your modem, then it will! However if you don't ***beleive*** > it will, can't 'picture' a healthy modem, etc, then it wont. > I do also think that this is a slightly different process to ;standard' > healing Reiki though. > > > An example closer to home: could I (or someone else) use Reiki on my cable > > modem with the bad power connector that is about to cause it to fail > > completely? If someone did use Reiki on my cable modem, could we > > legitimately expect results? > > > > This has ramifications beyond the question at hand. I've read that some > > believe that it's the receiver of the Reiki who draws the energy from the > > universe, not the practitioner who *sends* the energy to the recipient. If > > that's the case, how could inanimate or non-conscious items ever accept > the > > energy? > > > > Does it matter? End object gets a goodly zap, who cares what routing the > cable took? Ever think about the wiring of the phone when you get a call? > ;-) > I'm a scientific analytical type (A diana ross in Computer Science/ Business > & IT / same thing in French- yes three degrees!)- don't! Get into that > touchy-feely side of your personality, look for outcomes, and let the > Universe sort out that great Sisco Router in the sky! Think of it as a black > box process- I (or whoever) am here- want to be there, the mechanics will be > sorted.... ###### From: "Ruben" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:30:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 63 Message-ID: <3fddfe9c$0$25128$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> Organization: Versatel NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2003 18:34:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dslam128-167-59-81.dyndsl.zonnet.nl X-Trace: 1071513245 news.versatel.net 25128 81.59.167.128:1059 X-Complaints-To: abuse@versatel.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.versatel.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11877 Judy schreef in berichtnieuws bMvYVBAebQ3$Ewee@rigbys.demon.co.uk... > John Neiberger writes > > That leads me to another question. On another Reiki site I read > >some anecdotes of people using Reiki on non-living inanimate objects, like > >broken cars, for example. Is that a common occurrence? If so, is it very > >effective? Again, as silly as it sounds I'm new to this and still exploring > >Reiki and other energetic healing methods. > > > It's not at all silly, but I've no idea how common an occurrence it is. > Though I think if you (or rather one) accept the idea that all matter is > energy ... then it begins to make more sense. On the non-helpful side, > in my days of employment, I had a very uneasy relationship with > photocopy machines. Just let me touch the button, & the things would > jam, scream they were out of toner or reset themselves to produce A3 > enlargements in the darkest possible hue. This was long before I started > consciously working with energy, but the only possible conclusion was > that there was something in my energetic field that was at odds with > these particular machines. And if *that's* possible, then so is a > positive interaction. > > > > > > >An example closer to home: could I (or someone else) use Reiki on my cable > >modem with the bad power connector that is about to cause it to fail > >completely? If someone did use Reiki on my cable modem, could we > >legitimately expect results? > > Yes, of course it could be done. And a result *might* be seen. Might > not be quite as expected. You'll no doubt cover this in class, but Reiki > isn't an instant magic wand that can immediately resurrect every failing > machine. With Reiki or without it, machines fail, people & animals pass > on. What does change, very often, is our own relationship to and > feelings about those events. > > > > > >This has ramifications beyond the question at hand. I've read that some > >believe that it's the receiver of the Reiki who draws the energy from the > >universe, not the practitioner who *sends* the energy to the recipient. If > >that's the case, how could inanimate or non-conscious items ever accept the > >energy? > > OK. You said it. "Some believe". What are your beliefs regarding > consciousness ? Is there a definite dividing line between what (who) is > and is not conscious, or is it the case that there are apparently > differing degrees or types of consciousness ? One of the great benefits > of Reiki is the way it prompts us to (re) examine these sort of > questions and reach our own conclusions. It's enjoyable :) > > -- > Judy > http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: "Ruben" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:34:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3fddff8a$0$56791$edd6591c@news.versatel.net> Organization: Versatel NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2003 18:38:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dslam128-167-59-81.dyndsl.zonnet.nl X-Trace: 1071513483 news.versatel.net 56791 81.59.167.128:1061 X-Complaints-To: abuse@versatel.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!skynet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news2.euro.net!beastiality.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.versatel.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11878 Maybe the Reiki is just working on the karma between (wo/)man and machine..! John Neiberger schreef in berichtnieuws rd6Db.552323$Fm2.520751@attbi_s04... > > John Neiberger writes > > > > > >Regarding Reiki for food, then, would it be possible to do Reiki on a > > >refrigerator?? > > > > > > The only limits are within our own imaginations. (And the ethical > > boundaries of those who specifically *don't* want Reiki.) Other than > > that, the field's wide open ... > > -- > > Judy > > http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk > > Interesting! That leads me to another question. On another Reiki site I read > some anecdotes of people using Reiki on non-living inanimate objects, like > broken cars, for example. Is that a common occurrence? If so, is it very > effective? Again, as silly as it sounds I'm new to this and still exploring > Reiki and other energetic healing methods. > > An example closer to home: could I (or someone else) use Reiki on my cable > modem with the bad power connector that is about to cause it to fail > completely? If someone did use Reiki on my cable modem, could we > legitimately expect results? > > This has ramifications beyond the question at hand. I've read that some > believe that it's the receiver of the Reiki who draws the energy from the > universe, not the practitioner who *sends* the energy to the recipient. If > that's the case, how could inanimate or non-conscious items ever accept the > energy? > > Regards, > John > > ###### From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:17:53 -0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.84.72 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1071526467 23079 217.134.84.72 (15 Dec 2003 22:14:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2003 22:14:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11883 > Only thing missing in your posting is the preliminary statement, 'This > is not the truth. This is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing but > my opinion.' > Rich > But this is usenet, what else? ;-) ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDE3B4D.7C8F8BEA@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:55:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1071528926 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:55:26 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:55:26 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11886 There's nothing basically wrong in saying what you say. It just makes it easier to get into a conversation of exploration when it isn't so carved in stone. :) Rich Jonathan wrote: > > > Only thing missing in your posting is the preliminary statement, 'This > > is not the truth. This is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing but > > my opinion.' > > Rich > > > But this is usenet, what else? ;-) ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1071528963 5074822 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11887 (Jonathan) wrote: > > Only thing missing in your posting is the preliminary statement, 'This > > is not the truth. This is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing but > > my opinion.' > > Rich > > > But this is usenet, what else? ;-) Me Too!!! ###### From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:23:01 +0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1071530628 10819 194.222.30.223 (15 Dec 2003 23:23:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:23:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11889 In article <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca>, Rich writes >Only thing missing in your posting is the preliminary statement, 'This >is not the truth. This is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing but >my opinion.' >Rich Hmmm. I tend to take it that whatever is posted is simply the opinion of the poster. Unless, of course, it happens to coincide with my own opinion, in which case it's got to be nothing but right ;) -- Judy ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDE474B.F79CEA22@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:46:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1071531996 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:46:36 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:46:36 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!eusc.inter.net!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11890 Okay, let's test it out. Is everything that everyone says in the group just an opinion? Hmm. I think I detected a couple of 'Well, mine is a well researched, or widely held, or proven theory kind of opinion, so there!' :) Rich Judy wrote: > > In article <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca>, Rich writes > >Only thing missing in your posting is the preliminary statement, 'This > >is not the truth. This is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing but > >my opinion.' > >Rich > > Hmmm. I tend to take it that whatever is posted is simply the opinion > of the poster. Unless, of course, it happens to coincide with my own > opinion, in which case it's got to be nothing but right ;) > -- > Judy ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3FDE474B.F79CEA22@shaw.ca> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1071533098 4962829 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11891 (Rich) wrote: > Okay, let's test it out. Is everything that everyone says in the group > just an opinion? Well, they say that opinions are like assholes .. everyone (except some unfortunate few) have one ... So yes, it's an opinionated POV ... which makes it no less real for the opinionee .. Having said that, everything I post is Truth .. ;) Stuart Just my opinion, that is ... if I may be allowed ... ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:03:39 +0200 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-198.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3fdeacf6.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 16 Dec 2003 08:57:58 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-198.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-198.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11902 "Judy" wrote in message news:bMvYVBAebQ3$Ewee@rigbys.demon.co.uk... > It's not at all silly, but I've no idea how common an occurrence it is. > Though I think if you (or rather one) accept the idea that all matter is > energy ... then it begins to make more sense. On the non-helpful side, > in my days of employment, I had a very uneasy relationship with > photocopy machines. Just let me touch the button, & the things would > jam, scream they were out of toner or reset themselves to produce A3 > enlargements in the darkest possible hue. This was long before I started > consciously working with energy, but the only possible conclusion was > that there was something in my energetic field that was at odds with > these particular machines. Must have been the nylon underwear you wore, creating static electricity and zapping the copier . As you say, your energetic field was at odds, high voltage odds even. In the meantime you became more health conscious, maybe as a result of your involvement in energy healing, and changed to natural fabrics like cotton. See, it all has easy and natural explanations :-) -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:12:39 +0000 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3fdeacf6.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1071569577 14332 194.222.30.223 (16 Dec 2003 10:12:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:12:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11906 pr writes > >"Judy" wrote >This was long before I started >> consciously working with energy, but the only possible conclusion was >> that there was something in my energetic field that was at odds with >> these particular machines. > >Must have been the nylon underwear you wore, >creating static electricity and zapping the copier . >As you say, your energetic field was at odds, high >voltage odds even. >In the meantime you became more health conscious, >maybe as a result of your involvement in energy healing, >and changed to natural fabrics like cotton. >See, it all has easy and natural explanations :-) Observe this, everyone, please. *I* make a perfectly innocent comment about energetic fields & photocopy machines ... and the next thing you know, the man's speculating about what kind of *underwear* I may (or may not) be wearing ... ! Were you perchance educated in a convent, Peter ? -- Judy ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <6dbd61543efa9333d57fd0bcca94a25d@news.teranews.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:07:00 GMT Lines: 28 From: suzee Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: <3fdeacf6.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11909 Judy wrote: > > pr writes > > > >"Judy" wrote > > >This was long before I started > >> consciously working with energy, but the only possible conclusion was > >> that there was something in my energetic field that was at odds with > >> these particular machines. > > > >Must have been the nylon underwear you wore, > >creating static electricity and zapping the copier . > >As you say, your energetic field was at odds, high > >voltage odds even. > >In the meantime you became more health conscious, > >maybe as a result of your involvement in energy healing, > >and changed to natural fabrics like cotton. > >See, it all has easy and natural explanations :-) > > Observe this, everyone, please. *I* make a perfectly innocent comment > about energetic fields & photocopy machines ... and the next thing you > know, the man's speculating about what kind of *underwear* I may (or may > not) be wearing ... ! Highly unfair, Judy! sue ###### From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:26:03 -0000 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> <3FDE3B4D.7C8F8BEA@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.251.193 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1071606162 22493 217.134.251.193 (16 Dec 2003 20:22:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2003 20:22:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11916 > There's nothing basically wrong in saying what you say. It just makes it > easier to get into a conversation of exploration when it isn't so carved > in stone. :) Carved in stone. Me? Giggle! ;-) Having said that, stuff does WORK. When you get into that 'right' place etc. Its just getting into that 'knowing' space that is the hard bit. Anyway, anything we say (or 99% of what we say) is personal conjuncture- lets face it, where is the rule book! We have been trying to discover that for a bit now.... X, J. ###### From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:29:54 -0000 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> <3FDE474B.F79CEA22@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.251.193 X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1071606393 31927 217.134.251.193 (16 Dec 2003 20:26:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2003 20:26:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11917 "Rich" wrote in message news:3FDE474B.F79CEA22@shaw.ca... > Okay, let's test it out. Is everything that everyone says in the group > just an opinion? Yes, 'tis! > Hmm. I think I detected a couple of 'Well, mine is a well researched, or > widely held, or proven theory kind of opinion, so there!' :) > But the groups doing the research don't agree, the associations founded to merit the causes always fall into politics, lets face it, we are all human, and this is ***the*** field where 'western' quantifiable methods fall down. Mind you, as we all know, the truth is out there somewhere... or within us somewhere... and if it was easy then this journey wouldn't be so fun. (Says he licking various wounds and hoping that the 'fun' would stop!!!) ;-) ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDF73C4.12DF8147@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> <3FDE3B4D.7C8F8BEA@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:08:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1071608918 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:08:38 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:08:38 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11920 Actually, you are right on. If the way you see things has your life going on the path you design, then that's what matters. cheers Rich Jonathan wrote: > > > There's nothing basically wrong in saying what you say. It just makes it > > easier to get into a conversation of exploration when it isn't so carved > > in stone. :) > > Carved in stone. Me? Giggle! ;-) > > Having said that, stuff does WORK. When you get into that 'right' place etc. > > Its just getting into that 'knowing' space that is the hard bit. > > Anyway, anything we say (or 99% of what we say) is personal conjuncture- > lets face it, where is the rule book! We have been trying to discover that > for a bit now.... > > X, J. ###### From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:33:07 -0000 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> <3FDE3B4D.7C8F8BEA@shaw.ca> <3FDF73C4.12DF8147@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.252.116 X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1071610185 1536 217.134.252.116 (16 Dec 2003 21:29:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2003 21:29:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11921 > Actually, you are right on. If the way you see things has your life > going on the path you design, then that's what matters. > cheers > Rich > Massive giggle! No, actually, the problem is that I sort of managed to work out -- breifly- a way of getting things to sort of flow. I found a 'place' from which things sort of turned up. However, I can't remember who it was in the group that quoted 'The Gods shall have their vengance by giving us our dreams'- but they had a point... So although there is a ... source or something, I am not sure that 'moving in the right direction' is the correct phrase! ;-) Still, its better than my initial attempts, which were a sort of inverse midas touch, rather than my more modern 'OK, if thats what you want....' attempts. Perhaps I should give in, and just go for 'highest possible good'. Still, its all rock & roll! ;-) ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDF9AF0.DEA02F80@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> <3FDE3B4D.7C8F8BEA@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:55:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1071618947 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:55:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:55:47 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11925 Right. And here is a bit of what I am exploring right now....(I am speaking to the universe here)...we talk about 'truths' and we talk about 'opinions' and we supposedly distinguish them. I would think that 'opinion' would have less energy on it. We could trade opinions and let them go. That isn't exactly what happens though, I notice. Sometimes what happens is that some opinions are defended to the death and we must wonder if they were actually extremely important 'truths'. When someone (any other person) tells me my life is toast unless I believe certain concepts it becomes interesting for me to understand whether that is conjecture. I will have a sense of where that person is coming from (if it's his truth). A wise person once said to me, "Our health would improve greatly if we treated our opinions lightly, like they were opinions!" I'm not sure what you mean by 'knowing space' and it would make for an interesting thread also. You see, we mostly 'know about' and get it confused with 'knowing'. I don't know which you refer to. Cheers Rich Jonathan wrote: > > > There's nothing basically wrong in saying what you say. It just makes it > > easier to get into a conversation of exploration when it isn't so carved > > in stone. :) > > Carved in stone. Me? Giggle! ;-) > > Having said that, stuff does WORK. When you get into that 'right' place etc. > > Its just getting into that 'knowing' space that is the hard bit. > > Anyway, anything we say (or 99% of what we say) is personal conjuncture- > lets face it, where is the rule book! We have been trying to discover that > for a bit now.... > > X, J. ####### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDF9C80.E339E51@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki on the inanimate, was Re: Reiki for food? References: <3FDDF5E7.E7112446@shaw.ca> <3FDE3B4D.7C8F8BEA@shaw.ca> <3FDF73C4.12DF8147@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:02:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1071619346 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:02:26 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:02:26 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11926 Jonathan wrote: > > > Actually, you are right on. If the way you see things has your life > > going on the path you design, then that's what matters. > > cheers > > Rich > > > Massive giggle! No, actually, the problem is that I sort of managed to work > out -- breifly- a way of getting things to sort of flow. I found a 'place' > from which things sort of turned up. > However, I can't remember who it was in the group that quoted 'The Gods > shall have their vengance by giving us our dreams'- but they had a point... > So although there is a ... source or something, I am not sure that 'moving > in the right direction' is the correct phrase! I never know for sure what 'moving in the right direction' means for folks. That's why I say 'the path you design' because that puts you in the driver's seat where you belong and where there is more impact on the outcome of it all. > ;-) > > Still, its better than my initial attempts, which were a sort of inverse > midas touch, rather than my more modern 'OK, if thats what you want....' > attempts. > Perhaps I should give in, and just go for 'highest possible good'. > > Still, its all rock & roll! ;-) Right on. I wouldn't want to believe in a god who didn't know how to dance!! Cheers Rich