Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Meiji Emperor Lines: 20 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1070378373 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:19:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:19:33 EST X-UserInfo1: F[OQRWKEPZRAR_H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHLIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:19:33 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!e700f050!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11426 References abound, Usui's precepts were endorsed by the Meiji Emperor. What does that actually mean? How was religion accepted politically & culturally in Japanese society prior to WWII? -- ===== Who's Who on AHR? Visit www.ahr-reiki.org to find out! ===== Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA Website: www.metareiki.org ===== ###### Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:13:55 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> In-Reply-To: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 Message-ID: <3fcce45c$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070392412 62.202.93.75 (2 Dec 2003 20:13:32 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 18 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11431 Hi Steven Usui used emperor Meji poetry as a part of his teachins and meditation ( read somewhere) to avoid problems as Imperor kicked out all foreign religions and also rooting in japan and wanted Shintoism be the only one Theo Steven Buck, CMT wrote: > References abound, Usui's precepts were endorsed by the Meiji Emperor. > > What does that actually mean? > > How was religion accepted politically & culturally in Japanese society prior > to WWII? > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcd28e3.1325127@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <3fcce45c$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:02:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070409777 207.69.0.227 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:02:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:02:57 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11449 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:13:55 +0100, Theo wrote: > > Hi Steven > Usui used emperor Meji poetry as a part of his teachins and >meditation ( read somewhere) to avoid problems I've read that he did, and also read that he didn't. Who does one believe? What does James' aetw site say? James seems to always check out his sources and qualify where qualifying is needed. Garry > as Imperor kicked out all foreign religions and also rooting in >japan and wanted Shintoism be the only one >Theo > >Steven Buck, CMT wrote: > >> References abound, Usui's precepts were endorsed by the Meiji Emperor. >> >> What does that actually mean? >> >> How was religion accepted politically & culturally in Japanese society prior >> to WWII? >> > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:23:37 +0200 Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-26-139.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3fcd6558.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 3 Dec 2003 06:23:52 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-26-139.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-26-139.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11458 "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... > References abound, Usui's precepts were endorsed by the Meiji Emperor. > > What does that actually mean? It probably means that the Emperor thought they were a good idea. Using them is endorsing them. If you use them, endorse them, why should the Emperor not have done likewise? > How was religion accepted politically & culturally in Japanese society prior > to WWII? Politician always try to co-opt popular cultural streams. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" > > -- > ===== > Who's Who on AHR? Visit > www.ahr-reiki.org to find out! > ===== > > Steven Buck, CMT > San Francisco, CA > Website: www.metareiki.org > ===== > > > ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:06:15 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <3fcce45c$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcd28e3.1325127@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fcd28e3.1325127@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcd8b4e_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070435150 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 08:05:50 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 15 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11472 I had many pages of Meji poetry in my course I found them quite silly probably I am insensible or it is too much Japanese for my level of undestanding Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > I've read that he did, and also read that he didn't. Who does one > believe? What does James' aetw site say? James seems to always > check out his sources and qualify where qualifying is needed. > > Garry > ###### From: james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor Date: 3 Dec 2003 07:20:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7d74cd4e.0312030720.7bd8e7aa@posting.google.com> References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1070464850 2673 127.0.0.1 (3 Dec 2003 15:20:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11490 "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:<942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>... > References abound, Usui's precepts were endorsed by the Meiji Emperor... Hi Steve References abound... and so do 'chinese whispers'... The Emperor Meiji is revered as being a psychic by many Japanese people, however, as he died in 1912, his psychic/precognitive powers must have been truly amazing if he endorsed the gokai/precepts which - even according to the 'new' history of Reiki - Usui Sensei is said to have drafted in or around April 1921 !! [NOTE: A book entitled Kenzon no Gebri (Health Principles), written by a Dr. Bizan Suzuki and published in March 1915, includes the following admonition: "Just for today, do not anger, do not fear, be honest, work hard, and be kind to others." This is almost certainly the direct source of Usui Sensei's Five Reiki Principles.] . . 'shiken haramitsu dai ko myo' James All Energy-Therapies Web http://www.aetw.org - FREE resource site for Reiki & other Energy-Therapies - the Systems, Techniques, Symbols, etc- Articles, E-books, 'Reiki Wallpaper', Document Downloads, Japanese Spiritual Practices & More... ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fce9935.4016465@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <7d74cd4e.0312030720.7bd8e7aa@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:16:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070504171 207.69.2.253 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:16:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:16:11 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11521 On 3 Dec 2003 07:20:49 -0800, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) wrote: >[NOTE: A book entitled Kenzon no Gebri (Health Principles), written by >a Dr. Bizan Suzuki and published in March 1915, includes the following >admonition: >"Just for today, do not anger, do not fear, be honest, work hard, and >be kind to others." >This is almost certainly the direct source of Usui Sensei's Five Reiki >Principles.] Whoa! That's interesting news, James! Can you give us any details about the contents of Kenzon no Gebri? Love and Light, Garry ###### Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:56:56 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <7d74cd4e.0312030720.7bd8e7aa@posting.google.com> <3fce9935.4016465@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fce9935.4016465@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.10.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.10.75 Message-ID: <3fcef6bd_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070528189 62.203.10.75 (4 Dec 2003 09:56:29 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 29 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11542 well if you really take these admonition out of the Reiki context and stick in the 1950 and onward japanese society it suits perfectly so probably is more a Japanese conception way of life than a Reiki one!-- it really sounds fishy to me! Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On 3 Dec 2003 07:20:49 -0800, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James > AETW) wrote: > > >>[NOTE: A book entitled Kenzon no Gebri (Health Principles), written by >>a Dr. Bizan Suzuki and published in March 1915, includes the following >>admonition: >>"Just for today, do not anger, do not fear, be honest, work hard, and >>be kind to others." >>This is almost certainly the direct source of Usui Sensei's Five Reiki >>Principles.] > > > Whoa! That's interesting news, James! Can you give us any details > about the contents of Kenzon no Gebri? > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor Date: 4 Dec 2003 05:39:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 108 Message-ID: <7d74cd4e.0312040539.46d74cfc@posting.google.com> References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1070545176 22201 127.0.0.1 (4 Dec 2003 13:39:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11552 "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:<942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>... > How was religion accepted politically & culturally in Japanese society prior > to WWII? > Hi Steve, A good dose of 'google-ing' will no doubt throw up plenty of leads, [try: State Shinto (Kokka Shinto), Shrine Shinto (Jinja Shinto), Sect Shinto (Shuha Shinto),Japanese New Religions ...] but here are a few notes to get you started: Prior to the Meiji period, Japan had had Buddhism as its ‘official' religion, Christianity had been actively persecuted from the seventeenth century onwards – the penalty for belonging to the Christian faith was a simple one – Death. In 1868, Prince Mutsuhito became the 122nd Emperor of Japan, taking the name Meiji ("enlightened government"). His accession to the throne marked the beginning of a national revolution known as the Meiji Restoration. Feb 3, 1870 saw the Proclamation of the Great Doctrine which restored Shinto as the guiding principle of the nation. However, this was a new authoritarian form of Shinto – a state religion (referred to as State Shinto) which had Meiji, as Emperor, at its centre. Every Japanese citizen was required to register at the Shrine of the local Kami - i.e. the local Shinto Temple (not at Buddhist Temples, as is mistakenly stated by several Reiki researchers) Historically, the indigenous religion of Shinto, also known as 'Kami No Michi' (The Way of the 'Kami' or Numinous Beings), had been of central importance in Japanese culture since the earliest times, its pervasiveness being due in part to its ability to coexist happily with other faiths, Buddhism in particular. In fact, from the 8th century onwards, the Japanese people had reconciled Shinto and Buddhism to such a degree that Buddhist temples were built within Shinto shrine precincts and Buddhist priests were entrusted with the running of Shinto shrines. This conciliation had been made possible thanks to the emergence of a group of syncretic doctrines such as 'Ryobu Shinto' and'Honji Suijaku', which - essentially by initially equating the Kami Spirit-Beings with Buddhist Deities (i.e. Buddhas & Boddhisatvas, etc), enabled the followers of one faith to legitimately venerate the other faith's Divine Beings as alternative manifestations of their own. This popular synthesis prospered, and was typified by wandering 'Yamabushi' (mountain priests), itinerant practitioners of 'Shugendo', who ministered to the people with a mixture of Buddhist and Shinto rites. The new cult of State Shinto, however, was of a more regimented variety. Under its auspices, priests became state employees, and detailed instructions concerning the rituals and doctrine of State Shinto were set out by the Ministry of Religion. To say that Buddhism did not fare well in the early years of the Meiji Era, is perhaps an understatement. Amongst other things, Shinto and Buddhism were officially separated by decree. Buddhism was, severely 'downgraded' with Buddhist statuary ordered to be removed from Shinto shrines, all Buddhist ceremonies that had been performed in the imperial household were abolished - infact, all traces of Buddhism were purged from the imperial household. Curbs on Buddhism gave rise to iconoclastic outbreaks; the government revoked all ranks and privileges previously bestowed on the Buddhist hierarchy, all Buddhist temple lands were confiscated by the state and a great many temples nationwide were simply destroyed. The Buddhist priesthood was regarded as a deterrent to the National modernising process, and while many priests were forced out, some voluntarily converted to become state employed officials at Shinto Shrines. In 1873, the centuries-old ban on Christianity was finally lifted as a result of political and economic pressure from the US and other western powers, [however it was not until 1889 that the principle of religious freedom, per se, was to be fully recognised – being included in the Imperial Constitution promulgated in that year.] The compulsory registration at local Shinto shrines which had been introduced in 1870 was also terminated in 1873 after vigorous criticism from many sources both within Japan and abroad. . . 'shiken haramitsu dai ko myo' James All Energy-Therapies Web http://www.aetw.org - FREE resource sitefor Reiki & other Energy-Therapies - the Systems, Techniques, Symbols, etc- Articles, E-books, 'Reiki Wallpaper', Document Downloads, Japanese Spiritual Practices & More... ###### From: Judy Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Meiji Emperor Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:49:32 +0000 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <942zb.64098$RS1.41099@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> <7d74cd4e.0312030720.7bd8e7aa@posting.google.com> <3fce9935.4016465@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcef6bd_1@news.bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1070574588 24442 194.222.30.223 (4 Dec 2003 21:49:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:49:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11570 In article <3fcef6bd_1@news.bluewin.ch>, Theo writes >well if you really take these admonition out of the Reiki context and > stick in the 1950 and onward japanese society it suits perfectly > so probably is more a Japanese conception way of life than a Reiki >one!-- it really sounds fishy to me! > Theo Well, in 1997 I did a considerable amount of work (& money) to get a diploma qualification in stress management. At the time, the latest work in the field, highly endorsed by Professor somebody-or-other from (probably) Manchester University. Many hours in the classroom, the reading, the assignments, the portfolio presentation ... etc. What fun it was to find a year later that more or less the whole thing was encapsulated in those Reiki precepts :) You'd probably have to add in "Know Thyself", but other than that it boils down to the same thing in different (and FAR fewer) words. Economical people, the Japanese ;) -- Judy