NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:26:09 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Injuries and Reiki Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:23:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.243 X-Trace: sv3-ff8+MlIzfscz7yBJezzBPKB5+pu7Km+6UMN9i+uKLVJy88X3KYwniko0E83ocAnKkyDpNjGODxRRJ7o!RhuTWdUWtf4kx0yLnAs9P5lJ8xk/GsJ4b69/haZSDrLvw1thxACNonZxK60wEHCG6ouXy0vmCa9O X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11392 Last week I dumped a cup of tea on my arm. It was freshly made, water boiled (though cooled a bit by the cup), no milk, i.e. quite hot, though not right out of the boiling kettle. I quickly went "reiki", and that was that. No redness, blisters,... nothing. My son was even impressed (and he is 17... ;^)). Last evening I mentioned it to a nurse, who wondered whether I was saying that you would not blister if you were burned. I said you would, and you would bleed if cut, fall over if shot, and so forth. (Trying for a little credibility here...) But it got me wondering... whether the Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. Anyone wanna weigh in here? Peterz www.onreiki.com Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) ###### Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:03:52 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.2.157 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.2.157 Message-ID: <3fcb7466$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070298214 62.203.2.157 (1 Dec 2003 18:03:34 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 56 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11393 Yeah I had this with frying oil few weeks ago I am kooking quite often so ... when kid about 11-12 I opened an empty gasoline can and set fire with a stick .it did not ignite ( ripped the can with a knife as I knew it might have exploded !!!) I tried twice nothing the third I approached a match with my fingers and it made Whosh! and flamed on my hand I passed my palm on ma burned hand and all the skindetacged a large bad burn I went home did not say a wor to my parents and washed disinfected and put the skin back and a bandage well it was F@#@@¢ burning for hours but all cicatrized perfectly I have no trace on my hand odf that burn maybe I used inconsciously reiki already in fact I always used reiki on plants on fruits on whatever just for a game.. subcosncious instinct probably Theo ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 77 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1070304831 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:53:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:53:51 EST X-UserInfo1: F[OQRWKEPZRAR_H]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHLIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:53:51 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!e700f050!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11395 I visited the link you provided below. Please visit: http://www.drakontas.org/dragons/ I have four tattoos. My nipples have both been pierced twice, my navel twice, my scrotum once and my tongue once (all piercings removed). Although I will not pierce my urethra (creating a "Prince Albert" as it's called), many of my friends have and some have performed the piercing themselves. Piercings may look horrible and painful, however most are not. The only "real" painful piercing is of the septum (the nose). The trance-like state a person enters prior to a piercing has nothing to do with reducing bleeding in this case - the amount of bleeding present is due to the skill of the piercer... higher skill, less bleeding. The tongue is the only area of the body where there is not only no pain, but no sensation of the piercing... it may hurt like heck when you accidentally bite your tongue, but a piercing is completely different and there is no pain or sensation what-so-ever; however the tongue is the one area of the body that if pierced incorrectly can cause you to bleed to death. Entering a trance-like state with the use of religious icons and meditations will enhance the experience brought forth by the piercing and the person will have incredibly wonderful religious experiences during and for some time after the piercing. Not entering a trance like state usually just gives the person a generally enhanced sense of arousal. It's "traditional" to get laid immediately after a tattoo or piercing. It's common for men to ejaculate during a piercing (whether or not a trance-like state has been entered). Depending on the area of the body, tattoos feel like a perpetual cat-scratch. Some areas of the body are more sensitive, some areas less. On my left shoulder blade is the head of a dragon, covering the entire scapula. If I had been laying down (I was sitting in a chair) I would have fallen asleep. If the dragon had been any larger and extended 1/4" lower, I would have been in excruciating pain and probably crying. The dragon on my left calf was done while I was laying down and I fell asleep during the work - 3, 2 hour sessions. There were simply no significant nerves in that area. The dragon on my right hip was horribly painful. Many nerves in that area and no muscle or bodyfat to protect the pelvis bone. Traditionally, once the first tattoo is complete it is slapped and then you go out and get laid....... I believe that if one were tuning in to the Reiki process (such as Reiju) that the experience would probably be the same as above. -- Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA Website: www.metareiki.org ===== "Peterz" wrote in message news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... (snip) > But it got me wondering... whether the Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit > state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals > like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident > pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the > squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost > immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. > Anyone wanna weigh in here? > Peterz > www.onreiki.com > Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) ###### From: "gargoyle" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:53:13 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11397 "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... Snipped > I believe that if one were tuning in to the Reiki process (such as Reiju) > that the experience would probably be the same as above. > ] Yes, I can vouch for that,in my case whilst undergoing a large tattoo covering most of my upper right arm and lasting about 3 hours i felt no pain at all ,only a very pleasing tingling sensation,and no blood or scabbing at all, also my ear has a piercing that you can quite literally put your little finger through ( tunnel ) that did not bleed ,and healed immediatley, and I can assure you had it not been for reiki I would have screamed the place down. Greg ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:00:03 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:57:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 103 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.196 X-Trace: sv3-kjKPtyT4Fn4HzH8MWrKtC2xJr9CX0StBigSXwKsHzuiee1GVngIUp/yHhEG4IEPIYK7k23YqN6ceLvc!5KEiNiQr9BuPmZ68Dn40d9lxZZCLUzl4ZHgj6Zl0cLdBKxESDxxgp1bfBH9WZy0R3hfxsVzFzg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11402 OW. owowowowowowowow. p "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... > I visited the link you provided below. > > Please visit: > http://www.drakontas.org/dragons/ > > I have four tattoos. My nipples have both been pierced twice, my navel > twice, my scrotum once and my tongue once (all piercings removed). Although > I will not pierce my urethra (creating a "Prince Albert" as it's called), > many of my friends have and some have performed the piercing themselves. > > Piercings may look horrible and painful, however most are not. The only > "real" painful piercing is of the septum (the nose). > > The trance-like state a person enters prior to a piercing has nothing to do > with reducing bleeding in this case - the amount of bleeding present is due > to the skill of the piercer... higher skill, less bleeding. The tongue is > the only area of the body where there is not only no pain, but no sensation > of the piercing... it may hurt like heck when you accidentally bite your > tongue, but a piercing is completely different and there is no pain or > sensation what-so-ever; however the tongue is the one area of the body that > if pierced incorrectly can cause you to bleed to death. > > Entering a trance-like state with the use of religious icons and meditations > will enhance the experience brought forth by the piercing and the person > will have incredibly wonderful religious experiences during and for some > time after the piercing. > > Not entering a trance like state usually just gives the person a generally > enhanced sense of arousal. It's "traditional" to get laid immediately after > a tattoo or piercing. > > It's common for men to ejaculate during a piercing (whether or not a > trance-like state has been entered). > > Depending on the area of the body, tattoos feel like a perpetual > cat-scratch. Some areas of the body are more sensitive, some areas less. > On my left shoulder blade is the head of a dragon, covering the entire > scapula. If I had been laying down (I was sitting in a chair) I would have > fallen asleep. If the dragon had been any larger and extended 1/4" lower, I > would have been in excruciating pain and probably crying. The dragon on my > left calf was done while I was laying down and I fell asleep during the > work - 3, 2 hour sessions. There were simply no significant nerves in that > area. The dragon on my right hip was horribly painful. Many nerves in that > area and no muscle or bodyfat to protect the pelvis bone. Traditionally, > once the first tattoo is complete it is slapped and then you go out and get > laid....... > > I believe that if one were tuning in to the Reiki process (such as Reiju) > that the experience would probably be the same as above. > > -- > > Steven Buck, CMT > San Francisco, CA > Website: www.metareiki.org > ===== > > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... > > (snip) > > > But it got me wondering... whether the > Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit > > state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals > > like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident > > pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the > > squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost > > immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. > > Anyone wanna weigh in here? > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com > > Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) > > > ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 20 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.151.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1070320414 ST000 67.116.151.230 (Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:13:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:13:34 EST X-UserInfo1: FKPGW^KGVJWUSRD[N[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFEQR@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:13:34 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!e700f050!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11403 Was it stretched to that size or the flesh just lopped out? I wouldn't mind seeing the ink if you can post it online somehow (or e-mail it to me). Thanks -- Steven Buck, CMT San Francisco, CA "gargoyle" wrote in message news:vsn71mtfcis2c4@corp.supernews.com... (snip) also my ear has a piercing that you can quite literally put your little > finger through ( tunnel ) that did not bleed ,and healed immediatley, and I > can assure you had it not been for reiki I would have screamed the place > down. > Greg ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:04:15 -0600 From: "Bob_reikipower" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Followup-To: poster References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:06:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.109.8 X-Trace: sv3-CDJD2XlEaJj9/IOk7FoDH08H7GKQgQecZC2DtRbUJS69VZXRk5fKxLTyyzlSLQTyOdb69/OgD7E27EE!JgDapvsqdsfrN06VbE1Z/EbWhQcoowO4xMlO0YAxGVNCUcl+H4TQOipaL4BY X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11407 Well you are a better man than me. I have almost a sleeve on my left arm and various Japanese tats on various parts of my body. Actually my first major pieces were at Ed Hardy's out in San Francisco. He is one of the leading tattoo artists in the world who has trained in the orient and specializes in oriental art work. I'll leave the piercing to you (ouch)but I'll be happy to improve my body art any time :>) Bob Roffman MS, RP "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... > I visited the link you provided below. > > Please visit: > http://www.drakontas.org/dragons/ > > I have four tattoos. My nipples have both been pierced twice, my navel > twice, my scrotum once and my tongue once (all piercings removed). Although > I will not pierce my urethra (creating a "Prince Albert" as it's called), > many of my friends have and some have performed the piercing themselves. > > Piercings may look horrible and painful, however most are not. The only > "real" painful piercing is of the septum (the nose). > > The trance-like state a person enters prior to a piercing has nothing to do > with reducing bleeding in this case - the amount of bleeding present is due > to the skill of the piercer... higher skill, less bleeding. The tongue is > the only area of the body where there is not only no pain, but no sensation > of the piercing... it may hurt like heck when you accidentally bite your > tongue, but a piercing is completely different and there is no pain or > sensation what-so-ever; however the tongue is the one area of the body that > if pierced incorrectly can cause you to bleed to death. > > Entering a trance-like state with the use of religious icons and meditations > will enhance the experience brought forth by the piercing and the person > will have incredibly wonderful religious experiences during and for some > time after the piercing. > > Not entering a trance like state usually just gives the person a generally > enhanced sense of arousal. It's "traditional" to get laid immediately after > a tattoo or piercing. > > It's common for men to ejaculate during a piercing (whether or not a > trance-like state has been entered). > > Depending on the area of the body, tattoos feel like a perpetual > cat-scratch. Some areas of the body are more sensitive, some areas less. > On my left shoulder blade is the head of a dragon, covering the entire > scapula. If I had been laying down (I was sitting in a chair) I would have > fallen asleep. If the dragon had been any larger and extended 1/4" lower, I > would have been in excruciating pain and probably crying. The dragon on my > left calf was done while I was laying down and I fell asleep during the > work - 3, 2 hour sessions. There were simply no significant nerves in that > area. The dragon on my right hip was horribly painful. Many nerves in that > area and no muscle or bodyfat to protect the pelvis bone. Traditionally, > once the first tattoo is complete it is slapped and then you go out and get > laid....... > > I believe that if one were tuning in to the Reiki process (such as Reiju) > that the experience would probably be the same as above. > > -- > > Steven Buck, CMT > San Francisco, CA > Website: www.metareiki.org > ===== > > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... > > (snip) > > > But it got me wondering... whether the > Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit > > state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals > > like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident > > pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the > > squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost > > immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. > > Anyone wanna weigh in here? > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com > > Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:05:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.226.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070348757 162.84.226.13 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:05:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:05:57 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11412 i was just thinking about something similar. i have stitches in my back where a mole was removed poorly then recut and stitched again. i believe it's healing more quickly because of reiki. i have also had the experience of having small burns on my fingers that did not blister quite the way others have in the past (i believe because of reiki). i was wondering what others thought about reiki's ability to heal instantaneously. why for instance did you (peter) not get any blister, while i got small blisters. is it that the more experienced one is with reiki the stronger the energy flows and the more powerfully it heals? are there various levels of reiki healing in which some people could apply reiki and instantaneously heal an open wound? i so want that to happen! i want to be able to just place my hands over a wound or a burn and watch it dissappear! "Peterz" wrote in message news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... > Last week I dumped a cup of tea on my arm. It was freshly made, water boiled > (though cooled a bit by the cup), no milk, i.e. quite hot, though not right > out of the boiling kettle. I quickly went "reiki", and that was that. No > redness, blisters,... nothing. My son was even impressed (and he is 17... > ;^)). > > Last evening I mentioned it to a nurse, who wondered whether I was saying > that you would not blister if you were burned. I said you would, and you > would bleed if cut, fall over if shot, and so forth. (Trying for a little > credibility here...) > > But it got me wondering... whether the Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit > state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals > like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident > pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the > squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost > immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. > > Anyone wanna weigh in here? > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com > > Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) > > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:17:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.226.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1070349476 162.84.226.13 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:17:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:17:56 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11413 i looked at the link and its fascinating. i dont have an educated opinion, but isn't it possible that the lack of pain has to do with the endorphins that are secreted while they are in their blissful states? ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:23:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.226.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070349806 162.84.226.13 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:23:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:23:26 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11414 i have a tattoo on the back of my head (surprising i know. it's a ladybug and i got it 9 years ago so i usually forget it's there)and it didn't hurt at all. i would agree that it felt something like a cat scratch. but i was hoping for pain, i kind of wanted to wear the pain and the tattoo like a badge. i don't know how much the lack of pain had to do with the location and lack of sensitivity there, or my enthusiasm and the adrenaline rush i was getting from the experience (i was kind of fearful, kind of excited to be doing something so out of character). i guess the tradition you speak of doesn't apply for me though. all i did after my tattoo was . . . uh. . . cover it with bacitracin and change the gauze covering i think. . . then i think i had a cup of herbal tea and colored on the tables in a coffeehouse/bar (probably hoping someone would notice my bandage so i could show off my new tattoo). ###### Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:14:42 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 Message-ID: <3fcc49de_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070352862 62.202.93.75 (2 Dec 2003 09:14:22 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 23 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11417 so you did not get laid after tattoo LOL maybe you are the exception or are maybe only males that get so excited by tatoos? Theo gingerobyn wrote: > i have a tattoo on the back of my head (surprising i know. it's a ladybug > and i got it 9 years ago so i usually forget it's there)and it didn't hurt > at all. i would agree that it felt something like a cat scratch. but i was > hoping for pain, i kind of wanted to wear the pain and the tattoo like a > badge. i don't know how much the lack of pain had to do with the location > and lack of sensitivity there, or my enthusiasm and the adrenaline rush i > was getting from the experience (i was kind of fearful, kind of excited to > be doing something so out of character). i guess the tradition you speak of > doesn't apply for me though. all i did after my tattoo was . . . uh. . . > cover it with bacitracin and change the gauze covering i think. . . then i > think i had a cup of herbal tea and colored on the tables in a > coffeehouse/bar (probably hoping someone would notice my bandage so i could > show off my new tattoo). > > ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:43:39 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-676.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11423 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:23:20 -0500, "Peterz" wrote: >Last week I dumped a cup of tea on my arm. It was freshly made, water boiled >(though cooled a bit by the cup), no milk, i.e. quite hot, though not right >out of the boiling kettle. I quickly went "reiki", and that was that. No >redness, blisters,... nothing. My son was even impressed (and he is 17... >;^)). > >Last evening I mentioned it to a nurse, who wondered whether I was saying >that you would not blister if you were burned. I said you would, and you >would bleed if cut, fall over if shot, and so forth. (Trying for a little >credibility here...) > >But it got me wondering... whether the Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit >state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals >like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident >pain I'm no expert on this particular area of inquiry. I do think that my meditation practice and probably my Reiki practice, as well, have made me less reactive to pain, to some extent. I believe that the process of self-development (if we can provisionally apply this term) works differently with different people -- that some manifestations of Reiki effects may occur, over time, in a different sequence with different people. For instance, I've mentioned before that I used to get maybe three or four colds or flu per year, and this past year got none -- year before that, got maybe two. So it would seem that my three years of Reiki attunement and practice have helped me in that way. But, on the other hand, quite a few other people have said here that Reiki helps them with local infections, like an infected cut on a finger, but I have not yet noticed a strong effect like that via self-healing treatment. Things seem to have remained roughly the same as before in that respect, for me. Possibly due to my meditation background, or to some personal predisposition, Reiki tends to affect me more generally. It is possible I have found somewhat less "directable" effects than some people seem to report (less specificity -- i.e., not so marked local effect when treating a specific ailment or area of the body). Which, though, I would not report as *no* effect. I guess the above is a digression, though I believe it may relate to the topic of pain-control or avoidance via Reiki. Peter, your ki exercises (as in qi gong, aikido, etc) may have been specific agents in the effectiveness you noticed with the hot-liquid incident. Because of the fact that I have had a hunch about this sort of thing, I've been going some qi-gong-type exercises myself, to practice directing ki to and through the hands or other specific areas. Blessings, montane / J. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 69 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:02:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070370134 207.69.0.169 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:02:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:02:14 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11422 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:05:57 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >is it that the more experienced one is with reiki the stronger the energy flows >and the more powerfully it heals? are there various levels of reiki healing >in which some people could apply reiki and instantaneously heal an open >wound? I haven't seen any difference in abilities based on amount of training/experience, but then I've never worked in person with someone with more than 6 or 7 years of experience. Do any of the folks in the 10+ years range of experience notice any difference in the speed of healing between now and when they first started? Seems unlikely--things take as long as they take, but I'll keep an open mind in case there are any miracle workers amongst us. :-) OTOH, I have noticed that the sooner one applies Reiki, the better chance of things being taken care of quickly. This would cover situations like burns that should have been really bad and ugly not even blistering. I've had good success with burns and minor cuts that were caught right away, in that by the end of the day, there was no sign of injury and no pain. But with burns or minor cuts that were already a day or so old, it seems to help a lot more slowly. BTW, I haven't managed to make the lame walk or the blind see yet. ;-) > i so want that to happen! i want to be able to just place my hands >over a wound or a burn and watch it dissappear! Be healed! Thinking of starting your own Sunday morning show? ;-) Garry >"Peterz" wrote in message >news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... >> Last week I dumped a cup of tea on my arm. It was freshly made, water >boiled >> (though cooled a bit by the cup), no milk, i.e. quite hot, though not >right >> out of the boiling kettle. I quickly went "reiki", and that was that. No >> redness, blisters,... nothing. My son was even impressed (and he is 17... >> ;^)). >> >> Last evening I mentioned it to a nurse, who wondered whether I was saying >> that you would not blister if you were burned. I said you would, and you >> would bleed if cut, fall over if shot, and so forth. (Trying for a little >> credibility here...) >> >> But it got me wondering... whether the >Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit >> state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals >> like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident >> pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the >> squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost >> immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. >> >> Anyone wanna weigh in here? >> >> Peterz >> >> www.onreiki.com >> >> Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) >> >> >> >> > > ###### From: "R. Bonk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:33:00 +0000 Organization: FTEL Lines: 85 Message-ID: <3FCC948C.347573E5@ftel.co.uk> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: europa.ftel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-out.ftel.co.uk 1070372024 5402 172.16.2.98 (2 Dec 2003 13:33:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ftel.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:33:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p1!uknet!psiuk-n!news-out.ftel.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11428 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:05:57 GMT, "gingerobyn" > wrote: > > >is it that the more experienced one is with reiki the stronger the energy flows > >and the more powerfully it heals? are there various levels of reiki healing > >in which some people could apply reiki and instantaneously heal an open > >wound? > > I haven't seen any difference in abilities based on amount of > training/experience, but then I've never worked in person with someone > with more than 6 or 7 years of experience. Do any of the folks in the > 10+ years range of experience notice any difference in the speed of > healing between now and when they first started? Seems > unlikely--things take as long as they take, but I'll keep an open mind > in case there are any miracle workers amongst us. :-) Yes, each year gives you 2min and 37 sec less time to heal compared to "normal" healing. ;-))) > > > OTOH, I have noticed that the sooner one applies Reiki, the better > chance of things being taken care of quickly. This would cover > situations like burns that should have been really bad and ugly not > even blistering. I've had good success with burns and minor cuts that > were caught right away, in that by the end of the day, there was no > sign of injury and no pain. But with burns or minor cuts that were > already a day or so old, it seems to help a lot more slowly. BTW, I > haven't managed to make the lame walk or the blind see yet. ;-) You need more years of experience.... After 100 or more years of experience maybe.... ;-) > > > > i so want that to happen! i want to be able to just place my hands > >over a wound or a burn and watch it dissappear! The burn or wound should not appear in first place! > > > Be healed! Thinking of starting your own Sunday morning show? ;-) > > Garry > > >"Peterz" wrote in message > >news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... > >> Last week I dumped a cup of tea on my arm. It was freshly made, water > >boiled > >> (though cooled a bit by the cup), no milk, i.e. quite hot, though not > >right > >> out of the boiling kettle. I quickly went "reiki", and that was that. No > >> redness, blisters,... nothing. My son was even impressed (and he is 17... > >> ;^)). > >> > >> Last evening I mentioned it to a nurse, who wondered whether I was saying > >> that you would not blister if you were burned. I said you would, and you > >> would bleed if cut, fall over if shot, and so forth. (Trying for a little > >> credibility here...) > >> > >> But it got me wondering... whether the > >Ki/Reiki/alpha/whateveryouwannacallit > >> state is the same as the trance state that celebrants in religious rituals > >> like Thaipusam enter prior to getting their bodies pierced with no evident > >> pain (See http://glennh.tripod.com/wa_sing_tpsm.htm - not for the > >> squeamish - or just google up Thaipusam.) Apparently the healing is almost > >> immediate and there is little or no bleeding or scarring. > >> > >> Anyone wanna weigh in here? > >> > >> Peterz > >> > >> www.onreiki.com > >> > >> Any volunteers? (Why does Theo come to mind???) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ###### From: "Shaun Rimmer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:56:09 -0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-152-105-50.range81-152.btcentralplus.com (81.152.105.50) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070373456 70696645 81.152.105.50 ([170198]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host81-152-105-50.range81-152.btcentralplus.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11424 "Peterz" wrote in message news:O5ednTfbcsQ89laiRVn-vw@magma.ca... > Last week I dumped a cup of tea on my arm. It was freshly made, water boiled > (though cooled a bit by the cup), no milk, i.e. quite hot, though not right > out of the boiling kettle. I quickly went "reiki", and that was that. No > redness, blisters,... nothing. My son was even impressed (and he is 17... > ;^)). Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't heal me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. Shaun aRe ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:13:12 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-919.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11425 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:02:14 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:05:57 GMT, "gingerobyn" >wrote: > >>is it that the more experienced one is with reiki the stronger the energy flows >>and the more powerfully it heals? are there various levels of reiki healing >>in which some people could apply reiki and instantaneously heal an open >>wound? > >I haven't seen any difference in abilities based on amount of >training/experience, but then I've never worked in person with someone >with more than 6 or 7 years of experience. Do any of the folks in the >10+ years range of experience notice any difference in the speed of >healing between now and when they first started? One problem is that, without a "large-N" study in which we could track the progress of say 30 (or more) Reiki attunees, we are left with a bit of a puzzle: in other words, each of the people you or I may know who has practiced Reiki for say five or six years may be progressing, but we would see that only if we could assess each person's "before" and "after" degree of accomplishment or effectiveness. In the Asian traditions, as you know Garry, practice is emphasized -- to a degree that many in the West might consider obsessive. (I once saw a documentary about Ravi Shankar, and as a boy his music teacher pegged Ravi's long hair to the wall behind him, so that when -- after seven or eight hours of sitar practice -- he might begin to fall asleep, the tug of his hair when his head fell would wake him up -- for more practice! Same traditions in Asian healing, yogic science, etc) In the West, it seems to be only in the 1990s that our Reiki teachers came to realize that this was an attitude brought into the Reiki-development community in Japan back in the days of Usui and his successors. So by now we *do* have some heed put to hatsureiho, etc -- but because this was not there in the '70s and '80s, we may not yet have numerous examples of "any difference in abilities based on amount of training/experience." Or so this line of speculation might have it. Our more egalitarian, democratic, modern, practical/fun-oriented society makes us into more "well-rounded human beings," generally. Maybe, though, we will produce fewer phenomenal spiritual healers (???). Reiki is a universally available energy and a universally usable attunement. Nevertheless, it may be that it might immediately benefit in a different way someone who has done, say, five or six years of dsiciplined qi gong than the average person who has not. But there are always exceptional people. And to the general mystery we might also add the factor, traditionally acknowledged in Asia (and among some American Natives, and other peoples) of reincarnated talents -- e.g., the "Mozart theory." A fertile field for speculation, this Reiki........................ Blessings, montane / J. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:15:59 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.196 X-Trace: sv3-9UMr7s3LrZQyHy/8fa/o5NtWnZyGKsrCUN57KaLbTPZ5u7B771zWVvqwMMqtsP5LL/HlqORwZPAHwQx!hv17GAW3HjjbO6Hs89X0PrLcrh5hLdW6898Kdre2AE06W228VPUreN8sR7hU1fnLTyeCCQN3Uw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11427 "montane" wrote in message news:g81psvslu550re0qnb7374esp6ojgjvgl5@4ax.com... [pz's original post snipped/pz] > > I'm no expert on this particular area of inquiry. I do think that my > meditation practice and probably my Reiki practice, as well, have made > me less reactive to pain, to some extent. > > I believe that the process of self-development (if we can > provisionally apply this term) works differently with different people > -- that some manifestations of Reiki effects may occur, over time, in > a different sequence with different people. For instance, I've > mentioned before that I used to get maybe three or four colds or flu > per year, and this past year got none -- year before that, got maybe > two. So it would seem that my three years of Reiki attunement and > practice have helped me in that way. > I used to have food allergies/sentitivities so badly that I required a medic alert bracelet. Colds and flu? 3-4 a year. Now none of the above. > But, on the other hand, quite a few other people have said here that > Reiki helps them with local infections, like an infected cut on a > finger, but I have not yet noticed a strong effect like that via > self-healing treatment. Things seem to have remained roughly the same > as before in that respect, for me. > Did it again this morning. (Maybe the gods have decided that if I could not self heal, I would die due to clumsiness). Touched the inside of the toaster over - burned self, got that fried yellow effect immediately. Sent Reiki (no sitting withh hand on hand, just intended it to go there). Now cannot find the spot on my hand. Too weird. > Possibly due to my meditation background, or to some personal > predisposition, Reiki tends to affect me more generally. It is > possible I have found somewhat less "directable" effects than some > people seem to report (less specificity -- i.e., not so marked local > effect when treating a specific ailment or area of the body). Which, > though, I would not report as *no* effect. > > I guess the above is a digression, though I believe it may relate to > the topic of pain-control or avoidance via Reiki. > > Peter, your ki exercises (as in qi gong, aikido, etc) may have been > specific agents in the effectiveness you noticed with the hot-liquid > incident. Because of the fact that I have had a hunch about this sort > of thing, I've been going some qi-gong-type exercises myself, to > practice directing ki to and through the hands or other specific > areas. > I self Reiki without my hands a lot of time. Just intend the flow. That is the more usual in the Chinese systems (send Qi to a particular place in your body through intent... Qi follows Yi - energy follows intent.) Peter www.onreiki.com ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:34:12 -0600 From: "gargoyle" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:34:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.50.177.37 X-Trace: sv3-8eEBLpTUsCLoNoEy007KP1/4U06gP2OzL1bQ5TyylvJOMA9aKPZ5o+j60RNyx8+JK4Coo/a1DcLfHPj!S10yMHfkjAZ9K5LBABnPd3xvaLbe5mUMR47sFZ2g7hNADpbg2n/doXQG8JpXOGGdyf3YpokVVIg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.karoo.co.uk!news.karoo.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11430 Hi Steven, it was stretched to that size (18mm) over a period of 3-4 weeks, I was informed that it should of taken upto 3 months to avoid splitting,but I'm just too impatient to wait so long. Will see what I can do about a photo of tattoo. Greg -- to e-mail> remove brains and get back to me. "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:yWPyb.63073$mA5.55644@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... > Was it stretched to that size or the flesh just lopped out? > I wouldn't mind seeing the ink if you can post it online somehow (or e-mail > it to me). > Thanks ###### Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:18:51 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCC948C.347573E5@ftel.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3FCC948C.347573E5@ftel.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 Message-ID: <3fcce584$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070392708 62.202.93.75 (2 Dec 2003 20:18:28 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 13 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11432 R. Bonk wrote: snip > > You need more years of experience.... After 100 or more years of experience > maybe.... ;-) you'll go to Paradise ! Theo ###### Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:30:39 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.93.75 Message-ID: <3fcce848_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070393416 62.202.93.75 (2 Dec 2003 20:30:16 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 29 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11435 Peterz wrote: Hi Peter -SNIP- > Did it again this morning. (Maybe the gods have decided that if I could not > self heal, I would die due to clumsiness). Touched the inside of the toaster > over - burned self, got that fried yellow effect immediately. Sent Reiki (no > sitting withh hand on hand, just intended it to go there). Now cannot find > the spot on my hand. Too weird. I started doing that on my burns many years ago after I sow in TV how they do with extended buns in the swiss hospital.. tehy call a person taht has *the power* The woman ( but lately I have seen men also) she was approaching her pla to the electric switch on the wall passing the open hand on it 2-3 x than she was closing the hand in fist with thumb between the index and major fingers and she was making circles and cross inside teh circle being centered at distance on the person I tried to do the same and it worked .. Now I have Reiki but it is teh same energy anyway Theo ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:38:28 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-320.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11437 On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:09 -0500, "Peterz" wrote: > >I used to have food allergies/sentitivities so badly that I required a medic >alert bracelet. Colds and flu? 3-4 a year. Now none of the above. > > I remember you saying this before. It's obvious that the healing of your problems has been progressive over time (six or so years, with aikido and then with Reiki?). I might also guess that your *ability* to channel Reiki (or qi, ki, however you think of it) has also increased either in amount or quality over time -- but that's just a guess. How do you feel about that idea? (developmental, or progressive) > >I self Reiki without my hands a lot of time. Just intend the flow. That is >the more usual in the Chinese systems (send Qi to a particular place in your >body through intent... Qi follows Yi - energy follows intent.) > > Boy, I find it works every which way! Sometimes Reiki seems to surge to some area of my body, unbidden, when I'm just sitting around. Sometimes it seems to go to some spot in my body I'm thinking about. Sometimes it goes where I place my hands, and sometimes it seems, at least, not to -- evn though I've got my hands on some place and am intending, or using symbols. In my first year or two, I'd sometimes feel the energy surging apparently toward someone else in a room, even though I had not been thinking of Reiki and they certainly had not asked for it. Does any of this sound familiar? montane / J. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:50:17 -0600 From: "gargoyle" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <37Myb.62947$n91.58343@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:50:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.50.177.37 X-Trace: sv3-0AgBVHIL2TDKAwRUXmvo7YIMkytYog5mpGfCUatzBtuknJS3WuS65WAbpzKvOvAT4Z8NbkDjvKVlcFO!t/N04xEPa7QlFPE6S7hsioevDzZDFb0hC6YLxBSV+lN4HHyptK/PjW2LeHhTKSOb3wUSvRJbTBA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.karoo.co.uk!news.karoo.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11436 Sent. Greg -- to e-mail> remove brains and get back to me. "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:yWPyb.63073$mA5.55644@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... > I wouldn't mind seeing the ink if you can post it online somehow (or e-mail > it to me). ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:20:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.227.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070407245 162.84.227.141 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:20:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:20:45 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11440 > > Be healed! Thinking of starting your own Sunday morning show? ;-) i don't have that kind of dynamic cult like personality and i am a terrible liar. so no. not yet. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:31:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.227.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070407911 162.84.227.141 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:31:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:31:51 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11441 > Boy, I find it works every which way! Sometimes Reiki seems to surge > to some area of my body, unbidden, when I'm just sitting around. > Sometimes it seems to go to some spot in my body I'm thinking about. > Sometimes it goes where I place my hands, and sometimes it seems, at > least, not to -- evn though I've got my hands on some place and am > intending, or using symbols. > > In my first year or two, I'd sometimes feel the energy surging > apparently toward someone else in a room, even though I had not been > thinking of Reiki and they certainly had not asked for it. > > Does any of this sound familiar? > This happens to me too, I feel Reiki begin to flow all of a sudden and sometimes I can identify who it seems to be directed toward, other times I can't. I don't feel it go to any area of my body unintended though, unless my hands happen to be placed there. I have tried a few times to direct Reiki to myself with intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I don't seem to feel anything. ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070408193 69714318 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11442 (gingerobyn) wrote: > > Be healed! Thinking of starting your own Sunday morning show? ;-) > > i don't have that kind of dynamic cult like personality and i am a > terrible liar. so no. not yet. Reading between the lines, I thank Almighty God that we don't have those TV programs in the UK ... ;) Stuart PS: 5 dollar minimum contribution on premium rate number ... gezuntheit .. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:38:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.227.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070408318 162.84.227.141 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:38:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:38:38 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11443 In the Asian traditions, as you know Garry, practice is emphasized -- > to a degree that many in the West might consider obsessive. (I once > saw a documentary about Ravi Shankar, and as a boy his music teacher > pegged Ravi's long hair to the wall behind him, so that when -- after > seven or eight hours of sitar practice -- he might begin to fall > asleep, the tug of his hair when his head fell would wake him up -- > for more practice! eeek! i don't understand why playing the sitar wouldn't then become something aversive in time, and bring back negative memories and reactions. your point is understood though. > In the West, it seems to be only in the 1990s that our Reiki teachers > came to realize that this was an attitude brought into the > Reiki-development community in Japan back in the days of Usui and his > successors. So by now we *do* have some heed put to hatsureiho, etc > -- but because this was not there in the '70s and '80s, we may not yet > have numerous examples of "any difference in abilities based on amount > of training/experience." Or so this line of speculation might have > it. > > Our more egalitarian, democratic, modern, practical/fun-oriented > society makes us into more "well-rounded human beings," generally. > Maybe, though, we will produce fewer phenomenal spiritual healers > (???). hmm. maybe. but maybe healers don't need to be as disciplined as they once were. the results of reiki may not be so overwhelmingly miraculous all the time, but reiki does work with little discipline required. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:59:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070409592 207.69.0.227 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:59:52 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:59:52 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11446 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:31:51 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >I have tried a few times to direct Reiki >to myself with intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I don't >seem to feel anything. Probably just trying too hard. Just sit quietly and get the "Reiki feeling" going first, *then* try to direct it. Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcd289f.1256837@news.west.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 8 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:00:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070409631 207.69.0.227 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:00:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:00:31 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11447 On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:56:09 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" wrote: >Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't heal >me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. LOL! ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:02 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070409746 69495774 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11448 (gingerobyn) wrote: > I have tried a few times to direct Reiki to myself with > intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I > don't seem to feel anything. What did you expect to feel? From my POV, the positioning of hands in self-treat effectively honours your existence .. and requires a certain discipline especially on a dark 6am morning ... You can bounce off into the nether-realms from there .. :) Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3fcd289f.1256837@news.west.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070410190 70408875 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11451 (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > wrote: > > >Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't > >heal me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. > > LOL! I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with "F" ... Stuart ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:12:43 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-125.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!129.250.169.17.MISMATCH!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11455 On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:38:38 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: > > > >In the Asian traditions, as you know Garry, practice is emphasized -- >> to a degree that many in the West might consider obsessive. (I once >> saw a documentary about Ravi Shankar, and as a boy his music teacher >> pegged Ravi's long hair to the wall behind him, so that when -- after >> seven or eight hours of sitar practice -- he might begin to fall >> asleep, the tug of his hair when his head fell would wake him up -- >> for more practice! > > >eeek! i don't understand why playing the sitar wouldn't then become >something aversive in time, and bring back negative memories and reactions. > Well, it's the difference in culture, certainly, and perhaps also in the temperament of the people. I mean, if the end result (in a poor country) is that you become accomplished, respected, famous (and possibly rich), then it all might seem worth it. In any case, this has been traditionally accepted as thorough training. >> >> Our more egalitarian, democratic, modern, practical/fun-oriented >> society makes us into more "well-rounded human beings," generally. >> Maybe, though, we will produce fewer phenomenal spiritual healers >> (???). > >hmm. maybe. but maybe healers don't need to be as disciplined as they once >were. the results of reiki may not be so overwhelmingly miraculous all the >time, but reiki does work with little discipline required. > Have you read Doi-sensei's book (Hiroshi Doi's book)? He makes the point that Reiki will be operating in you, to some degree, once you are attuned -- and that no discipline is required to do healing procedures, at some level of effectiveness. But, he feels one should practice in a disciplined way to fully develop as a healer. He was attuned originally into a Western lineage of Reiki, and then later into a couple of Japanese lineages to which he had access because he: a) was Japanese; b) could speak the language; c) was living in Japan; and d) was highly motivated. The Japanese practitioners were using qi-gong type methods for further development beyond (according to Doi) what the rate at which they would have developed by using Reiki healing, solely. montane ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcd30bd.3334807@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcd289f.1256837@news.west.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:35:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070411713 207.69.0.227 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:35:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:35:13 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11454 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >> wrote: >> >> >Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't >> >heal me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. >> >> LOL! > >I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with "F" ... ROFL! ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:56:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.227.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070423789 162.84.227.141 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:56:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:56:29 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11457 > > Have you read Doi-sensei's book (Hiroshi Doi's book)? modern reiki method for healing? I haven't. Should I assume you recommend it? I just read a customer review of the book on amazon (by a friskybearman). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/flex-sign-in/ref=cm_rate_rev_pagepos1/102-4715410-1502534#rated-review The review was much more comprehensive than the "official" info presented. I suppose I will try to read it. I tend to pick up reiki books and then find that I lose interest in them half way through (or sometimes only a few pages in). There are so many reiki books out there and I just don't know how to choose, I skipped this one because I had read that the translation is awkward and I thought it would frustrate me if it was not an easy read. The review i just read makes me think I should take a look at it anyway. ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT Lines: 19 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!feeder.teranews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11459 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > > > hmm. maybe. but maybe healers don't need to be as disciplined as they once > were. the results of reiki may not be so overwhelmingly miraculous all the > time, but reiki does work with little discipline required. > The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". Love is. . . ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcd66b4.1452308@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:30:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.4.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070425834 207.69.4.89 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:30:34 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:30:34 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11460 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:56:29 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >I tend to pick up reiki books and then find that I lose interest in them >half way through (or sometimes only a few pages in). There are so many reiki >books out there and I just don't know how to choose, I skipped this one >because I had read that the translation is awkward and I thought it would >frustrate me if it was not an easy read. The review i just read makes me >think I should take a look at it anyway. Save your nickel, Ginger. I'll let you borrow my copy if you really want to read it. Then if you think it's really worth having, you can order your own copy from Amazon. Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:35:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.4.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070426128 207.69.4.89 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:35:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:35:28 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11462 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, either. Garry ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:54:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.227.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070427288 162.84.227.141 (Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:54:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:54:48 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11464 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in > >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here > >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of > >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > either. > Garry > but your flashlight is a machine. a flashlight does what it was made to do. we have no idea what the limits of reiki are. if we say that reiki "can't" do something or if we say "a wound in the body requires time to heal regardless of reiki" we are placing limits on reiki and limits on our bodies. if we believe in the "impossible" it might open the door for bigger experiences. if we believe in miracles we just may get them. i think the question is not whether reiki works or doesn't work according to whether we believe in it, i think its a question of to what extent we believe it can heal us. ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:49:40 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcd876c_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070434156 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 07:49:16 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 21 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11468 Frightening ! Theo Stuart Vernon wrote: > (gingerobyn) wrote: > > >>>Be healed! Thinking of starting your own Sunday morning show? ;-) >> >>i don't have that kind of dynamic cult like personality and i am a >>terrible liar. so no. not yet. > > > Reading between the lines, I thank Almighty God that we don't have > those TV programs in the UK ... ;) > > Stuart > PS: 5 dollar minimum contribution on premium rate number ... gezuntheit .. > ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:02:29 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcd8a6c$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070434924 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 08:02:04 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 35 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11470 HI I want to share this here it sounds silly but it is something I felt like doing it as stertching and in fact might be something else Stay standing lift both arms at the vertical in this Y position than move sligltly apart the left foot your body will have this hieratic Biblic position X your palms are upworth , sligtly loosen your knees can be sligltly bent as veel to avoid strain in back ( similar Qi Gong postion standig horse stance ;-)) and think energy flowing from sky through skullto your feeet .. you can keep as long as you fell.. I found this is very pleasant a little bit mad, beware nobody is watching you :-) but probably it helps in flowing energy Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:31:51 GMT, "gingerobyn" > wrote: > > >>I have tried a few times to direct Reiki >>to myself with intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I don't >>seem to feel anything. > > > Probably just trying too hard. Just sit quietly and get the "Reiki > feeling" going first, *then* try to direct it. > > Garry > ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:04:03 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcd8aca_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070435018 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 08:03:38 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 24 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11471 Warkin' up early 'ol man? :-) Theo Stuart Vernon wrote: > (gingerobyn) wrote: > > >>I have tried a few times to direct Reiki to myself with >>intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I >>don't seem to feel anything. > > > What did you expect to feel? > > From my POV, the positioning of hands in self-treat effectively > honours your existence .. and requires a certain discipline > especially on a dark 6am morning ... > > You can bounce off into the nether-realms from there .. :) > > Stuart > ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:59:08 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070441923 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 09:58:43 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 37 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11478 A silly example when doing my work out I met a guy I now by sight since ages he is just getting old and wilt he was doing his work out with such a involvemente that his muscles were working the essential minimum no application at all aftere months of daily workout he was still the broom stick as in the beginning another person doing thes same execrise would have changed his body shape in few months as would have added will and concentration and Intent if one does o Reiki without really feeling it and already convinced it is not flowing or is tense to *feel it* to be sure to BELIEVE one has it .. well you are loosing you time better go golfing ! and anyway as in eveyrthing **practice will make it perfect* Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >>The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in >>the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here >>it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of >>reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > either. > > Garry > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 45 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:00:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070456405 207.69.12.177 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:00:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:00:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11481 Theo and Ginger, I come at it from a completely different attitude than either of you, apparently. You two, like Kevin, seem to be concerned whether or not there is sufficient belief in Reiki or oneself in order to make it effective. It's not clear whether any of y'all mean belief by the practitioner, or belief by the recipient or both. What I do when I do Reiki is simply do Reiki. I do not constrain it with beliefs, be they beliefs in saintly miracles or beliefs that there are no saintly miracles, so the criticism of being limited by my beliefs does not seem to apply. And when I said that things take as long as they take to heal, that does not tell you how long they take, does it? Rather it shows again the attitude of accepting what is, be it long or short, easy or hard, black or white, or some shade of gray. My observations that minor burns and cuts seemed to heal faster if reiki was applied right away rather than waiting a day or two was just that, simply an observation of a limited number of instances. No belief one way or the other, just offering some anecdotal data that, when combined with other data and some hypotheses might help provide a reasonable explanation or insight or some manner of helping us to be "more effective" in terms that the common man in the street understands. However, if that doesn't pan out, that's okay, too. Just accept what is as it is, and be grateful for what we have. Furthermore, I have given Reiki to people who did not believe in Reiki, and it seems to have been just as effective for them as it is for people that do believe in it. So, clearly it's not tied to the belief of the recipient, at least not in all cases. As for the observation that a flashlight is a machine, well, so, in a manner of speaking, are our bodies. Our bodies operate in the physical world under physical rules. But don't let that lead you to think that we know all the rules. :-) Exploring the topic in this thread is just a way to seek to understand some more of "the rules". By the way, back to the machines, have you ever given Reiki to batteries? Try it some time with the kind that have the built in gauge. It may just be the heat of your hand that makes the indicator rise again on a formerly dead battery, but then again, maybe not. Who now is limiting their beliefs? Reiki is only for people, or only for living things? Are you quite sure that's the kind of universe you live in? ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:05:58 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:03:08 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.196 X-Trace: sv3-cw1ry41RviXoHsoC8sMcFQQ/qPTWa2wMcFm+px41eBJaL9Xzq4c1c5olEuE6pFABGKjpUZMEIvohDSq!U+c/GAI/53KvH4vPKQonUFwJDXt1NzOvA7m/L5BpfXGnBluxA8jP9Fl7U+jS7JCUk29eDl+UfQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11483 I agree that Reiki is not faith-based, but if the practitioner questions what (s)he is doing and worries about it (is this right? OMG, should I put my hand here? Not wait...), they are not in a "ki" state, they are in a "monkey mind" state. IMO, as ever. Peter "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in > >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here > >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of > >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > either. > > Garry > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcddfba.2614961@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcd8a6c$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:04:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070456685 207.69.12.177 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:04:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:04:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11482 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:02:29 +0100, Theo wrote: >HI > I want to share this here > it sounds silly but it is something I felt like doing it as stertching >and in fact might be something else > > > Stay standing > lift both arms at the vertical in this Y position than move >sligltly apart the left foot your body will have this hieratic Biblic >position X your palms are upworth , sligtly loosen your knees can be >sligltly bent as veel to avoid strain in back ( similar Qi Gong postion >standig horse stance ;-)) > and think energy flowing from sky through skullto your feeet .. >you can keep as long as you fell.. > I found this is very pleasant a little bit mad, beware nobody is >watching you :-) but probably it helps in flowing energy > Theo Nothing mad about it at all, Theo. This is rather similar to some gigong exercises, and resembles as well some Reiki attunement sets and some versions of hatsureiho and reiju. So you seem to have reinvented the wheel all on your own. Congratulations! Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:24:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070457873 207.69.12.177 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:24:33 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:24:33 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11484 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:03:08 -0500, "Peterz" wrote: >I agree that Reiki is not faith-based, but if the practitioner questions >what (s)he is doing and worries about it (is this right? OMG, should I put >my hand here? Not wait...), they are not in a "ki" state, they are in a >"monkey mind" state. > >IMO, as ever. I quite agree with you Peter. Perhaps this is why Usui said that the secret method for inviting happiness, the wonderful medicine for all diseases is: Just for today, anger not, worry not, etc. Putting the Reiki Principles into practice seems designed to help one achieve and remain in what you term a "ki" state. Of course, YMMV. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcde535.4018551@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcd8a6c$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcddfba.2614961@news.west.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:25:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070457947 207.69.12.177 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:25:47 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:25:47 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11485 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:04:45 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >gigong exercises Sorry. I meant "qigong" (or ch'i kung, if you prefer) of course. Garry ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:01:52 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcdecb6_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070460086 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 15:01:26 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 65 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11488 Hi Garry Nadie Niemand wrote: > Theo and Ginger, I come at it from a completely different attitude > than either of you, apparently. You two, like Kevin, seem to be > concerned whether or not there is sufficient belief in Reiki or > oneself in order to make it effective. It's not clear whether any of > y'all mean belief by the practitioner, or belief by the recipient or > both. > > What I do when I do Reiki is simply do Reiki. So am I , if I would not believe in it believe at 90 % only I would not be here . >I do not constrain it > with beliefs, be they beliefs in saintly miracles or beliefs that > there are no saintly miracles, so the criticism of being limited by my > beliefs does not seem to apply. And when I said that things take as > long as they take to heal, that does not tell you how long they take, > does it? Rather it shows again the attitude of accepting what is, be > it long or short, easy or hard, black or white, or some shade of gray. I agree it is nit a a magic stick and as many things does not always work * as we thought it should* > My observations that minor burns and cuts seemed to heal faster if > reiki was applied right away rather than waiting a day or two was just > that, simply an observation of a limited number of instances. Do not make statistics..either not chronometring teh healing time! but I am always surprised of the result! > No > belief one way or the other, just offering some anecdotal data that, > when combined with other data and some hypotheses might help provide a > reasonable explanation or insight or some manner of helping us to be > "more effective" in terms that the common man in the street > understands. However, if that doesn't pan out, that's okay, too. Just > accept what is as it is, and be grateful for what we have. That's right ! > Furthermore, I have given Reiki to people who did not believe in > Reiki, and it seems to have been just as effective for them as it is > for people that do believe in it. So, clearly it's not tied to the > belief of the recipient, at least not in all cases. Agreed ! > As for the observation that a flashlight is a machine, well, so, in a > manner of speaking, are our bodies. Our bodies operate in the physical > world under physical rules. But don't let that lead you to think that > we know all the rules. :-) interesting and evident point of view ! > Exploring the topic in this thread is just > a way to seek to understand some more of "the rules". By the way, back > to the machines, have you ever given Reiki to batteries? Try it some > time with the kind that have the built in gauge. It may just be the > heat of your hand that makes the indicator rise again on a formerly > dead battery, but then again, maybe not. Who now is limiting their > beliefs? Reiki is only for people, or only for living things? Are you > quite sure that's the kind of universe you live in? ;-) The warm hands is a side effect that works stongly on some people absolutely missing on others but Reiki passes anyway so I agreee with you why di you put me in the burlap? Love and light Theo ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:05:51 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcd8a6c$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcddfba.2614961@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fcddfba.2614961@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fcdeda5_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070460325 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 15:05:25 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 21 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11489 Thanks Garry LOL! I knew that I was a troll( troglodyte ) but not the Einstein Troll.. but strangely when kid in my *gang* I was always the medecine doctor & ceremonial expert:-) Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: >> I found this is very pleasant a little bit mad, beware nobody is >>watching you :-) but probably it helps in flowing energy >> Theo > > > Nothing mad about it at all, Theo. This is rather similar to some > gigong exercises, and resembles as well some Reiki attunement sets and > some versions of hatsureiho and reiju. So you seem to have reinvented > the wheel all on your own. Congratulations! > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:25:07 GMT Lines: 51 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11491 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in > >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here > >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of > >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > in it or not, yes, a stubbed toe or sunburn will heal without faith but ginger mentioned (i snipped it) something about miracals and again i will say that there is "little expectation for the ability of reiki to preform miracles". i believe reiki rises to the level of expectation for tougher things to heal like cancer or diabetes. . . not just as a pain reliever for an illness you *expect* to continue on. >rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Nothing "lucky" about setting out to heal cancer. > Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > either. i am beginning to glimps what this statement above might mean garry.. . .until i get to the distance healing part. OTOH how many folks use reiki that don't believe it will help? If reiki doesn't require faith or belief in order for it to work, maybe it isn't "reiki" you employ. *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot remove belief.* Love is. . . > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:27:40 GMT Lines: 51 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11492 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:s0ezb.23974$lF6.1208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net... > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > > wrote: > > > > >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence > in > > >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen > here > > >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability > of > > >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > > either. > > > Garry > > > > > but your flashlight is a machine. a flashlight does what it was made to do. > we have no idea what the limits of reiki are. if we say that reiki "can't" > do something or if we say "a wound in the body requires time to heal > regardless of reiki" we are placing limits on reiki and limits on our > bodies. if we believe in the "impossible" it might open the door for bigger > experiences. i absolutely know this is true. > if we believe in miracles we just may get them. i think the > question is not whether reiki works or doesn't work according to whether we > believe in it, i think its a question of to what extent we believe it can > heal us. > That is exactly my point. > > Love is ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:30:16 GMT Lines: 52 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11493 "Theo" wrote in message news:3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch... > A silly example > > when doing my work out I met a guy I now by sight since ages > he is just getting old and wilt he was doing his work out with such > a involvemente that his muscles were working the essential minimum > no application at all aftere months of daily workout he was still the > broom stick as in the beginning > another person doing thes same execrise would have changed his body > shape in few months as would have added will and concentration and > Intent > if one does o Reiki without really feeling it and already convinced > it is not flowing or is tense to *feel it* to be sure to BELIEVE one > has it .. well you are loosing you time better go golfing ! > and anyway as in eveyrthing **practice will make it perfect* > Theo > Yes Theo, i agree totally. practice does make perfect.. . .if not for any other reason than confidence rises. love is > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > > wrote: > > > > > >>The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in > >>the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here > >>it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of > >>reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > > > > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > > either. > > > > Garry > > > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:44:30 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:41:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.196 X-Trace: sv3-ZzTbRxWACnjZAM9vGAKnsc5G0BD6iabxMqs89LCxfSVSmSLZ7ti256JhIrTdmsP/p1i+qzqRruMwkhQ!Jn5BwvFOMokSpOgfAM+CEU4NhDp+RZE8oVhiynDpCgoaSYMmAYuAgqSY1FePkbDP79HtfxS/hA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11494 Actually, my personal mileage almost never varies. p [snip] > > Of course, YMMV. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <82087574eb821d29b362f3383ff53924@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:43:22 GMT Lines: 32 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!63.223.20.72.MISMATCH!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11495 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:03:08 -0500, "Peterz" wrote: > > >I agree that Reiki is not faith-based, but if the practitioner questions > >what (s)he is doing and worries about it (is this right? OMG, should I put > >my hand here? Not wait...), they are not in a "ki" state, they are in a > >"monkey mind" state. > > > >IMO, as ever. > > I quite agree with you Peter. Perhaps this is why Usui said > that the secret method for inviting happiness, the wonderful medicine > for all diseases is: Just for today, anger not, worry not, etc. > Putting the Reiki Principles into practice seems designed to help one > achieve and remain in what you term a "ki" state. > i agree and am resolved in the belief that this "state" is what enables me to heal things thought of as impossible to heal but that does not explain healing others. > Of course, YMMV. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:55:06 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.196 X-Trace: sv3-qz4mjyOYfc7IXG+GNqPw2O6teKqbDW5jAaHtKkbWrT8pEEXHBsXJEp6KQeQlUKeyAtJaNv1SIMwJ0SP!MH/YGpqjY0XMCiyBFcK1QR7HtpYw/FkOloPtJkKQhx/0rweq0SaMPxlFmihC/0bzRVFVM0EPpw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11496 "montane" wrote in message news:v1qpsvcrv59pv5roum19ovh9o1l9qhqhv6@4ax.com... > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:09 -0500, "Peterz" wrote: > > > > >I used to have food allergies/sentitivities so badly that I required a medic > >alert bracelet. Colds and flu? 3-4 a year. Now none of the above. > > > > > I remember you saying this before. It's obvious that the healing of > your problems has been progressive over time (six or so years, with > aikido and then with Reiki?). I might also guess that your *ability* > to channel Reiki (or qi, ki, however you think of it) has also > increased either in amount or quality over time -- but that's just a > guess. How do you feel about that idea? (developmental, or > progressive) > Two thoughts: My ability has indeed increased (so much that it surpises me because I was impressed at the start!). I no longer use a lot of the signposts (symbols, Tohei Sensei's Ki principles, etc.) because I feel it in my body instead. About healing and whether it is progressive: Sometimes a problem is resolved "all at once", e.g., something caused by a stored trauma ("big bang" healing - impressive but not to be counted on); sometimes something is just "gone" but you had to do all the progressive work to get to it (e.g., little appraent progress, then "bang"); sometimes it is little-by-little over time. *I think* that it is the nature of the problem and how you have stored it in your body. [sniperoo] montane / J. You know, you could just be Joel again, now that your evil counterpart is long gone. Peterz www.onreiki.com ###### From: montane Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:08:40 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3fcd66b4.1452308@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-408.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11497 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:30:34 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:56:29 GMT, "gingerobyn" >wrote: > >>I tend to pick up reiki books and then find that I lose interest in them >>half way through (or sometimes only a few pages in). There are so many reiki >>books out there and I just don't know how to choose, I skipped this one >>because I had read that the translation is awkward and I thought it would >>frustrate me if it was not an easy read. The review i just read makes me >>think I should take a look at it anyway. > >Save your nickel, Ginger. I'll let you borrow my copy if you really >want to read it. Then if you think it's really worth having, you can >order your own copy from Amazon. > >Garry Hey, Garry. If I were Ginger, I'd pick up on that kind offer (I'll let Ginger decide, of course...) Yeah, the Doi book is in need of a good "copy edit" as it reads rather rough. Nevertheless, while its translation/editing annoyed me a little, I still found it easy enough to understand. Speaking of "rough edits," my sentence in my previous post might qualify: "The Japanese practitioners were using qi-gong type methods for further development beyond (according to Doi) what the rate at which they would have developed by using Reiki healing, solely." Huh??! Gotta learn to really re-read my posts before I hit the *send* button. ;-) montane ###### From: "Shaun Rimmer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:50:12 -0000 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3fcd289f.1256837@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcd30bd.3334807@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-152-38-127.range81-152.btcentralplus.com (81.152.38.127) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070470301 71677928 81.152.38.127 ([170198]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host81-152-38-127.range81-152.btcentralplus.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11500 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcd30bd.3334807@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), stuv@cix.co.uk > (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > > >(Nadie Niemand) wrote: > > > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't > >> >heal me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. > >> > >> LOL! First times I ever got away with using that word in front of parents ',;~}~ > >I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with "F" ... I think you'd likely get it ears first (I have the ability to make very much vocal loudness). > ROFL! Or 'FOFL', even! Heheheheh - you lot crack me up - cheers! ',;~}~ Shaun aRe - "Physician, heel thyself!" Said the doctor to his wayward hound. ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:51:02 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> In-Reply-To: <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fce145d$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070470237 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 17:50:37 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 23 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11498 arthealer wrote: HI I think we are playing with words -snip_ > If reiki doesn't require faith or belief in order for it to work, maybe it > isn't "reiki" you employ. what do you mean as *faith*? faith in the reality of Reiki , that Works as a stimulus to give it or faith in whatever religious system that is supposed to back you up in the use of Reiki? > *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't > require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot > remove belief.* **Intention** I think is perfect word for it Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:05:08 GMT Lines: 34 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce145d$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!feeder.teranews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11503 "Theo" wrote in message news:3fce145d$1_1@news.bluewin.ch... > > > arthealer wrote: > HI > I think we are playing with words > -snip_ > Hey theo, Words are all we have to play with here:) can one intend without belief it can be accomplished? > > If reiki doesn't require faith or belief in order for it to work, maybe it > > isn't "reiki" you employ. > > what do you mean as *faith*? > faith in the reality of Reiki , that Works as a stimulus to give it > or faith in whatever religious system that is supposed to back you up > in the use of Reiki? > > > > *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't > > require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot > > remove belief.* > > **Intention** I think is perfect word for it > Theo > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <89a14ecbb7a458286fa5118cab289cce@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:07:10 GMT Lines: 76 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcdecb6_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11505 "Theo" wrote in message news:3fcdecb6_1@news.bluewin.ch... > Hi Garry > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > Theo and Ginger, I come at it from a completely different attitude > > than either of you, apparently. You two, like Kevin, seem to be > > concerned whether or not there is sufficient belief in Reiki or > > oneself in order to make it effective. It's not clear whether any of > > y'all mean belief by the practitioner, or belief by the recipient or > > both. > > > > What I do when I do Reiki is simply do Reiki. > So am I , if I would not believe in it believe at 90 % only I would > not be here . > >I do not constrain it > > with beliefs, be they beliefs in saintly miracles or beliefs that > > there are no saintly miracles, so the criticism of being limited by my > > beliefs does not seem to apply. And when I said that things take as > > long as they take to heal, that does not tell you how long they take, > > does it? Rather it shows again the attitude of accepting what is, be > > it long or short, easy or hard, black or white, or some shade of gray. > I agree it is nit a a magic stick and as many things does not always > work * as we thought it should* > > My observations that minor burns and cuts seemed to heal faster if > > reiki was applied right away rather than waiting a day or two was just > > that, simply an observation of a limited number of instances. > Do not make statistics..either not chronometring teh healing time! > but I am always surprised of the result! > > No > > belief one way or the other, just offering some anecdotal data that, > > when combined with other data and some hypotheses might help provide a > > reasonable explanation or insight or some manner of helping us to be > > "more effective" in terms that the common man in the street > > understands. However, if that doesn't pan out, that's okay, too. Just > > accept what is as it is, and be grateful for what we have. > > That's right ! > > > Furthermore, I have given Reiki to people who did not believe in > > Reiki, and it seems to have been just as effective for them as it is > > for people that do believe in it. So, clearly it's not tied to the > > belief of the recipient, at least not in all cases. > > Agreed ! > > As for the observation that a flashlight is a machine, well, so, in a > > manner of speaking, are our bodies. Our bodies operate in the physical > > world under physical rules. But don't let that lead you to think that > > we know all the rules. :-) > interesting and evident point of view ! > > > Exploring the topic in this thread is just > > a way to seek to understand some more of "the rules". By the way, back > > to the machines, have you ever given Reiki to batteries? Try it some > > time with the kind that have the built in gauge. It may just be the > > heat of your hand that makes the indicator rise again on a formerly > > dead battery, but then again, maybe not. Who now is limiting their > > beliefs? Reiki is only for people, or only for living things? Are you > > quite sure that's the kind of universe you live in? ;-) > > The warm hands is a side effect that works stongly on some people > absolutely missing on others but Reiki passes anyway > so I agreee with you why di you put me in the burlap? We are all in the burlap. love is. . . > Love and light > Theo > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <2af5a581b9e7a5bfef973cc7b1c6637c@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:10:43 GMT Lines: 52 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!feeder.teranews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11506 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:s0ezb.23974$lF6.1208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net... > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > > wrote: > > > > >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence > in > > >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen > here > > >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability > of > > >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > > either. > > > Garry > > > > > but your flashlight is a machine. a flashlight does what it was made to do. > we have no idea what the limits of reiki are. if we say that reiki "can't" > do something or if we say "a wound in the body requires time to heal > regardless of reiki" we are placing limits on reiki and limits on our > bodies. if we believe in the "impossible" it might open the door for bigger > experiences. if we believe in miracles we just may get them. i think the > question is not whether reiki works or doesn't work according to whether we > believe in it, i think its a question of to what extent we believe it can > heal us. > i believe so ginger. i believe it is a matter of to what extent one can get out of his or her own way. . . . kind of like rights. . . . . they can't be given, only taken away. > > ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:11:20 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce145d$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fce272f_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070475055 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 19:10:55 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 46 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11507 arthealer wrote: > "Theo" wrote in message > news:3fce145d$1_1@news.bluewin.ch... > >> >>arthealer wrote: >> HI >> I think we are playing with words >> -snip_ >> > > Hey theo, > Words are all we have to play with here:) > can one intend without belief it can be accomplished? Ok fine :-) Theo > > > >>>If reiki doesn't require faith or belief in order for it to work, maybe > > it > >>>isn't "reiki" you employ. >> >> what do you mean as *faith*? >> faith in the reality of Reiki , that Works as a stimulus to give it >> or faith in whatever religious system that is supposed to back you up >> in the use of Reiki? >> >> >> >>> *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't >>>require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot >>>remove belief.* >> >> **Intention** I think is perfect word for it >> Theo >> > > > ###### Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:34 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcdecb6_1@news.bluewin.ch> <89a14ecbb7a458286fa5118cab289cce@news.teranews.com> In-Reply-To: <89a14ecbb7a458286fa5118cab289cce@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.2.65 Message-ID: <3fce27b4$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070475188 81.62.2.65 (3 Dec 2003 19:13:08 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 20 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11508 arthealer wrote: > > We are all in the burlap. worms burlap ? Theo > love is. . . > > >> Love and light >> Theo >> > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:31:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1070476283 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:31:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:31:23 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11509 YOu really need to examine your own words, Kevin. I can have unwaivering belief that Reiki does NOT require 'belief and confidence' and that belief will be as powerful and effective as what 'Kevin's Belief System' is. Rich arthealer wrote: > > "gingerobyn" wrote in message > news:2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > > > > > > > hmm. maybe. but maybe healers don't need to be as disciplined as they once > > were. the results of reiki may not be so overwhelmingly miraculous all the > > time, but reiki does work with little discipline required. > > > > The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and confidence in > the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen here > it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the ability of > reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > Love is. . . ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070478971 71353127 80.2.124.91 ([41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.manc.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11511 (Shaun Rimmer) wrote: > > >I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with "F" ... > > I think you'd likely get it ears first (I have the ability to make very > much vocal loudness). > > > ROFL! > > Or 'FOFL', even! > > Heheheheh - you lot crack me up - cheers! ',;~}~ We should get together for a beer sometime being as you're just up the road from Bolton ... Stuart ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCE4467.12DDCF87@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 73 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:17:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1070482651 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:31 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:31 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!feedme.ziplink.net!nntp1.fuse.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11512 Quoted by Dr. Larry Dossey from the research of Dr.Yujiro Ikemi and colleagues at Kyushu University's School of Medicine, Japan.... in investigating spontaneous regression of cancer... "Cancers sometimes regress not when some specific formula is followed, but when all formulas are abandoned. The patients in the research study were not following some formula designed to banish cancer - not taking on someone else's form, not adopting behaviors they'd heard about or observed to work in the cancer experiences of others. They were simply and authentically being themselves, honoring the experiences that emerged from their own psychic depths. Neither did they follow some 'spiritual formula' in order to rid themselves of cancer. They were just being true to themselves. What is suggested is that one must go beyond all formulas, all paths, all programs, and give up all ulterior wishes - including, perhaps, the hope that the cancer disappears." Just for today.......kapeesh? :) Rich arthealer wrote: > > "gingerobyn" wrote in message > news:s0ezb.23974$lF6.1208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > news:3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:24:05 GMT, "arthealer" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >The discipline required by a healer is unwaivering belief and > confidence > > in > > > >the process. There is absolutely no room for doubt. From what i've seen > > here > > > >it could have to do with what little expectation there is of the > ability > > of > > > >reiki (healing energy) to perform "miracles". > > > > > > YMMV. It has been my experience that reiki works whether one believes > > > in it or not, rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is > > > said to have hung over his door. ;-) Seriously, my flashlight doesn't > > > require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, > > > either. > > > > > Garry > > > > > > > > > but your flashlight is a machine. a flashlight does what it was made to > do. > > we have no idea what the limits of reiki are. if we say that reiki "can't" > > do something or if we say "a wound in the body requires time to heal > > regardless of reiki" we are placing limits on reiki and limits on our > > bodies. if we believe in the "impossible" it might open the door for > bigger > > experiences. > > i absolutely know this is true. > > > if we believe in miracles we just may get them. i think the > > question is not whether reiki works or doesn't work according to whether > we > > believe in it, i think its a question of to what extent we believe it can > > heal us. > > > That is exactly my point. > > > > Love is ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fce8cef.874127@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcdecb6_1@news.bluewin.ch> <89a14ecbb7a458286fa5118cab289cce@news.teranews.com> <3fce27b4$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:22:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070500930 207.69.2.253 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:22:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:22:10 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11517 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:34 +0100, Theo wrote: > >arthealer wrote: >> >> We are all in the burlap. > worms burlap ? Us or the burlap, doesn't matter, it's all worm-food in the end! :-) Love and Light (and a few shadows), Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fce8e4e.1225844@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net> <82087574eb821d29b362f3383ff53924@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:31:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070501504 207.69.2.253 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:31:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:31:44 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11518 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:43:22 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: > i agree and am resolved in the belief that this "state" is what enables me >to heal things thought of as impossible to heal but that does not explain >healing others. Perhaps the issue is that you are operating from the point of view of seeing how "we" are separated, rather than how "we" are all part of the Whole, how Everything is interconnected. Every person, every animal, plant, object or what-have-you is ultimately made up of quantities of interacting energy that themselves are bathed in wider reaching energy fields. On an energetic level, it's difficult to say where one being ends and the next begins, isn't it? Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 60 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:07:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070503625 207.69.2.253 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:07:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:07:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11519 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:25:07 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >>rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is >> said to have hung over his door. ;-) > >Nothing "lucky" about setting out to heal cancer. Perhaps one shouldn't think of setting out to heal cancer as a talisman then? Apples and oranges. :-) >> Seriously, my flashlight doesn't >> require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, >> either. > > i am beginning to glimps what this statement above might mean garry.. . >.until i get to the distance healing part. See previous response. >OTOH how many folks use reiki that don't believe it will help? Belief isn't necessarily either/or. Most people are willing to take a wait-and-see attitude. People don't usually come to Reiki knowing beforehand what it is, how it works, and having reason to believe in it. They usually hear about it from someone else and then decide to give it a try before they make up their minds. Sometimes they are willing to give it several tries if they aren't convinced there is some benefit to be had on the first one. This requires not jumping automatically to disbelief, which is, after all, just the other side of the belief coin. Eventually one gets to a point where either one feels it is helping, or that it is not, or maybe not enough, and makes a decision to use it or not. So the answer to your question is, short-term--nearly everyone that has tried Reiki did so without believing in it; long-term, probably very few continue to do it if they believe it does not work or are not sure if it works or not. Of course, why people believe that they benefit from Reiki is another huge can of worms, in case you feel like starting a new thread. :-) >If reiki doesn't require faith or belief in order for it to work, maybe it >isn't "reiki" you employ. Then again, maybe it is, especially since I didn't start doing what I do until someone taught me to do it and called it Reiki. :-) OTOH, perhaps your belief-based healing is just another way of accessing Reiki. Then again, perhaps not. I'm willing to wait and see. > *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't >require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot >remove belief.* How so? Love and Light, Garry From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 60 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:07:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070503625 207.69.2.253 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:07:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:07:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11519 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:25:07 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >>rather like the "lucky" horseshoe that Niels Bohr is >> said to have hung over his door. ;-) > >Nothing "lucky" about setting out to heal cancer. Perhaps one shouldn't think of setting out to heal cancer as a talisman then? Apples and oranges. :-) >> Seriously, my flashlight doesn't >> require "faith" to work, and I see no reason to believe my reiki does, >> either. > > i am beginning to glimps what this statement above might mean garry.. . >.until i get to the distance healing part. See previous response. >OTOH how many folks use reiki that don't believe it will help? Belief isn't necessarily either/or. Most people are willing to take a wait-and-see attitude. People don't usually come to Reiki knowing beforehand what it is, how it works, and having reason to believe in it. They usually hear about it from someone else and then decide to give it a try before they make up their minds. Sometimes they are willing to give it several tries if they aren't convinced there is some benefit to be had on the first one. This requires not jumping automatically to disbelief, which is, after all, just the other side of the belief coin. Eventually one gets to a point where either one feels it is helping, or that it is not, or maybe not enough, and makes a decision to use it or not. So the answer to your question is, short-term--nearly everyone that has tried Reiki did so without believing in it; long-term, probably very few continue to do it if they believe it does not work or are not sure if it works or not. Of course, why people believe that they benefit from Reiki is another huge can of worms, in case you feel like starting a new thread. :-) >If reiki doesn't require faith or belief in order for it to work, maybe it >isn't "reiki" you employ. Then again, maybe it is, especially since I didn't start doing what I do until someone taught me to do it and called it Reiki. :-) OTOH, perhaps your belief-based healing is just another way of accessing Reiki. Then again, perhaps not. I'm willing to wait and see. > *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't >require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot >remove belief.* How so? Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fce987b.3830989@news.west.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:10:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070503858 207.69.2.253 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:10:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:10:58 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11520 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:52:14 -0500, "Peterz" wrote: >[sniperoo] > >montane / J. > >You know, you could just be Joel again, now that your evil counterpart is >long gone. I was about to suggest the same thing, except I didn't think of his doppelganger as evil, just mischievous. :-) Garry ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3fcd66b4.1452308@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:27:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070512037 162.84.199.95 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:27:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:27:17 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11522 > > Speaking of "rough edits," my sentence in my previous post might > qualify: i wouldn't worry about it. i am a bit of a hypocrite myself. i want an easy read but i don't exactly make it easy on others. i think you should be allowed at least a few digressions. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:29:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070512171 162.84.199.95 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:29:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:29:31 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!zen.net.uk!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11523 > > but your flashlight is a machine. a flashlight does what it was made to > do. > > we have no idea what the limits of reiki are. if we say that reiki "can't" > > do something or if we say "a wound in the body requires time to heal > > regardless of reiki" we are placing limits on reiki and limits on our > > bodies. if we believe in the "impossible" it might open the door for > bigger > > experiences. > > i absolutely know this is true. great. so you can help me come to know this in my heart. my understanding of it is only cognitive. did you come to this conclusion through an overwhleming personal experience or did it just click for you one day? did you need proof or do you just have faith? ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 98 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:19:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070515177 162.84.199.95 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:19:37 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:19:37 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11524 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net... > Theo and Ginger, I come at it from a completely different attitude > than either of you, apparently. nuh uh. not apparent. i agree with you. maybe a slightly different attitude (and i speak only for myself) and the slight difference (which i didn't express in the previous post, but do express often) lays in my skeptical nature and less experience with reiki. You two, like Kevin, seem to be > concerned whether or not there is sufficient belief in Reiki or > oneself in order to make it effective. It's not clear whether any of > y'all mean belief by the practitioner, or belief by the recipient or > both. i don't mean that one needs to believe in reiki (recipient or practitioner) to make it effective because i think rieki is effective regardless. i do think that people can limit their own healing depending on what they believe is possible. if a person does not in their conscious mind, subconscoius mind, heart or whatever believe that they can be cured of cancer they are likely limiting their chances of being cured of cancer. thats the kind of thing i was getting at and i really don't know how to express it. > > What I do when I do Reiki is simply do Reiki. I do not constrain it > with beliefs, be they beliefs in saintly miracles or beliefs that > there are no saintly miracles, so the criticism of being limited by my > beliefs does not seem to apply. And when I said that things take as > long as they take to heal, that does not tell you how long they take, > does it? Rather it shows again the attitude of accepting what is, be > it long or short, easy or hard, black or white, or some shade of gray. i misunderstood what you meant. i was thinking in terms of like when the dermatologist told me that my stitches will be ready to be removed in 14 days. it's been a week and a day and i believe my stitches are ready to come out. she prescribed a time frame for when things heal but that time frame may be different for different people. you make a good point. i still think its important to note that healing can be affected by the mental limits put on it. forgive me if i implied that you personally put limits on it. i meant the "universal we." > Furthermore, I have given Reiki to people who did not believe in > Reiki, and it seems to have been just as effective for them as it is > for people that do believe in it. So, clearly it's not tied to the > belief of the recipient, at least not in all cases. i dont have personal experience with that because anyone who doesn't believe hasn't let me try. i do agree that reiki works regardless of whether or not the recipient believes in it. the thing i question is the extent to which it "works" if there is a limiting belief. > > As for the observation that a flashlight is a machine, well, so, in a > manner of speaking, are our bodies. Our bodies operate in the physical > world under physical rules. But don't let that lead you to think that > we know all the rules. :-) Exploring the topic in this thread is just > a way to seek to understand some more of "the rules". yeah, you are right. i just meant that a flashlight is intended to light up a specific area when you turn it on or whatever and one little flashlight isn't going to light up an entire city. but then again, i guess i shouldnt assume it's impossible. By the way, back > to the machines, have you ever given Reiki to batteries? Try it some > time with the kind that have the built in gauge. It may just be the > heat of your hand that makes the indicator rise again on a formerly > dead battery, but then again, maybe not. Who now is limiting their > beliefs?!" Reiki is only for people, or only for living things? Are you > quite sure that's the kind of universe you live in? ;-) when did i say "garry you are a limiter of beliefs! and i ginger believe in all possibilities always!" it was the "universal we"! people. us people. especially me. doh! yes i limit my beliefs all the time. ok? ok. but in this case of whether or not rieki can be used on a machine, it doesn't apply. i never thought reiki was only for people or living things. i give reiki to my car. truth be told, i do have limiting beliefs about it though. i think "is this doing anything here?" i will try the battery trick, it didn't occur to me that there was a built in gauge to test the results. i will do a controlled study (with a whopping 2 people involved) my boyfriend is not attuned to reiki so i will give him a battery too (that will let us know if it's mere body heat causing a change--if a change occurs). the only thing to consider though is that my boyfriend, while not "attuned" to reiki, does seem to have a healing touch, so i should include a third person who seems to be lacking that. i'll publish the results of my study as soon as they are ready. > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net> <82087574eb821d29b362f3383ff53924@news.teranews.com> <3fce8e4e.1225844@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:28:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070515734 162.84.199.95 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:28:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:28:54 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11527 On an energetic level, it's difficult to say > where one being ends and the next begins, isn't it? i agree and i think this causes much suffering but if recognized and worked with appropriately has the potential to promote less suffering and more mutual respect, joy and love. ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:30:45 GMT Lines: 24 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11529 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:25:07 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't > >require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot > >remove belief.* > > How so? > do you ever intend to do a thing you don't believe you can do. . . or can be done?? > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:39:23 GMT Lines: 15 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!proxad.net!203.109.225.2.MISMATCH!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.compaq.com!newsfeed1.sea.pnap.net!newsfeed.pnap.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11530 "Rich" wrote in message news:3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca... > YOu really need to examine your own words, Kevin. I can have unwaivering > belief that Reiki does NOT require 'belief and confidence' and that > belief will be as powerful and effective as what 'Kevin's Belief System' > is. > Rich > i guess i have to accept what you folks are telling me. i am just having a difficult time arranging it and fitting it into my schema of what healing is and isn't. Love is. . . . breaking the shell of your own understanding. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcd2833.1149113@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcd8a6c$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 144 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:09:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070518197 162.84.199.95 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:09:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:09:57 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.esat.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11531 > Stay standing > lift both arms at the vertical in this Y position than move > sligltly apart the left foot your body will have this hieratic Biblic > position X your palms are upworth , sligtly loosen your knees can be > sligltly bent as veel to avoid strain in back ( similar Qi Gong postion > standig horse stance ;-)) > and think energy flowing from sky through skullto your feeet .. > you can keep as long as you fell.. > I found this is very pleasant a little bit mad, beware nobody is > watching you :-) but probably it helps in flowing energy > Theo Bear with me while I make my way to my point. When I was in Pennsylvania with my boyfriend this weekend we were at the mall for a quick trip. I was drawn to the center court by this beautiful heartfelt, music that was both mournful and joyful. The most prominent sound was this resonating flute-like instrument that was so soothing to me. These guys from the Andes were playing Incan inspired music (right alongside "santas workshop"--an unusual shopping mall experience). I wanted to buy an album but didn't know which one to pick. I asked for their suggestion. The title of the one that was handed to me (immediatley) said "The best of Inkara." I had questions but the man didn't seem to speak much English, so I decided to trust that he chose the right one for me. as we left the mall I joked with my boyfriend that they probably recommended the most benign music for the American mall- going white girl--music that wouldn't offend my sensibilities or take me out of my comfort zone. I said "it's probably like musak-- popular easy listening songs played on Andean flutes." We laughed over the idea as we came up with some songs we might hear. I said: "Oh I'm just kidding. I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised!" When we got to his parents house and put the cd on we hears a nice song that had nature sounds in the intro. "Perfect for a Reiki session," I thought! but then came song two. We immediately recognized the theme song from the titanic and groaned. We thought perhaps it just sounded similar with the flute. . . but it was the very song without lyrics and played entirely with the Incan instruments. It sounded nice if that is what you like. Then came imagine by the Beatles (it was listed on the cd as "image"), and then a song by Simon and Garfunkel--I think it was "The sound of silence." My half-joking predictin was correct after all. I hadn't even noticed these titles in the song listing while I was looking at it in the mall, because I wasn't thinking in the context of popular american music. It was not by any means what I was looking for. Good songs sure, and the music was nice enough. . . but . . . well it bored me! We decided we would go back to exchange it the next day. In the meantime my boyfriend's mother dug up a cd that she bought while on vacation--it was also Andean music and this music was more dynamic and lively. We played it and I started dancing all around the den making my boyfriend laugh. I started out being silly but then I really got into it and when the music slowed I raised my arms in the position you described, with palms upward. I swayed slightly then stood straight and tall in the same position, breathing in the energy and feeling gratitude. I insisted that my boyfriend try it as well and told him that I was taking in energy from the universe. I literally felt that was the case. He did try it, but with some more self-consciousness than I did. I really did feel energized, not only by the music, and the dancing, but by that body position as well. I felt like I was giving praise to the earth, the sun, the moon, the stars, the universe and myself. I thought about when people go to those churches that are full of really enthusiastic Christians who throw their hands up in the air to indicate that they have been "saved." In all honestly I tend to be judgmental of that, but I while I was doing this I thought that I was doing what they were doing. Placing myself in a receptive state and taking in the energy of the universe, though in a different form. It was invigorating! Long story short. If it's the same position I agree. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:12:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070518372 162.84.199.95 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:12:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:12:52 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11532 "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:memo.20031203000225.3672E@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > (gingerobyn) wrote: > > > I have tried a few times to direct Reiki to myself with > > intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I > > don't seem to feel anything. > > What did you expect to feel? tingling. static. heat. something. some kind of sensation that says "here it is. this is reiki." > > From my POV, the positioning of hands in self-treat effectively > honours your existence .. and requires a certain discipline > especially on a dark 6am morning ... i agree. i'm not looking to replace that method, just expand. though i am often too lazy for the discipline required in the placement of hands in certain places when you want to just lay comfortabley in bed. ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <76dbcf62a2980e7cefb90c3abc60ba73@news.teranews.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:17:30 GMT Lines: 22 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11535 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:LKyzb.6940$t87.458@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > > > we have no idea what the limits of reiki are. if we say that reiki > "can't" > > > do something or if we say "a wound in the body requires time to heal > > > regardless of reiki" we are placing limits on reiki and limits on our > > > bodies. if we believe in the "impossible" it might open the door for > > bigger > > > experiences. > > i absolutely know this is true. > great. so you can help me come to know this in my heart. yes ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:20:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.199.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070518813 162.84.199.95 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:20:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:20:13 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11533 > > Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't heal > me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. you were joking of course, but it makes me think. it's interesting that when people cut or burn themselves they often shout expletives, or make some expression of anger in some way. if not an outward burst of anger then anger directed at the self when they say something like "oh, that was so stupid of me." the anger doesn't seem to be a result of the incident, rather the incident seems to be an expression of the anger. i think the anger gets stored inside, blocked in some way and needs to find a way to come out. so you cut yourself, or burn yourself. you yell out or express some kind of frustration to release some of that anger. with acut you bleed out some of the anger. with a burn you outwardly express some of the heat of your anger. thats what me thinks. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:31:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1070519486 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:31:26 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:31:26 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11538 Hey, no problem! That's what we are all doing, while trying to keep all avenues of possibility and discussion open. For myself, Kevin, I am trying not to get stuck in "the answer that cannot be disputed." When I graduated from a boys' catholic high school, run by priests, I spent a year in the seminary, studying philosophy, etc. and of course, 'prayer'. We went round and round on that one, much like we are doing with Reiki. Some things are hard to pin down because they aren't concrete, and what we end up doing is assigning attributes 'in retrospect' or 'after the fact', after we have noted a result or a NOT result. We definitely have a ready explanation that appears undisputable! It seems like we are addicted to 'have to have an answer.' Interesting. Cheers Rich arthealer wrote: > > Love is. . . . breaking the shell of your own understanding. ......or putting that understanding into a new context, so it can be included with the shell remaining intact! ###### Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:28:40 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcde313.3472631@news.west.earthlink.net> <82087574eb821d29b362f3383ff53924@news.teranews.com> <3fce8e4e.1225844@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fce8e4e.1225844@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.10.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.10.75 Message-ID: <3fcef01c$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070526492 62.203.10.75 (4 Dec 2003 09:28:12 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 20 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11540 Nadie Niemand wrote: HI Garry interesting and partaken point of view it makes sense Theo > Perhaps the issue is that you are operating from the point of view of > seeing how "we" are separated, rather than how "we" are all part of > the Whole, how Everything is interconnected. Every person, every > animal, plant, object or what-have-you is ultimately made up of > quantities of interacting energy that themselves are bathed in wider > reaching energy fields. On an energetic level, it's difficult to say > where one being ends and the next begins, isn't it? > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:05:44 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.10.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.10.75 Message-ID: <3fcef8cd_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070528717 62.203.10.75 (4 Dec 2003 10:05:17 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 33 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11545 By the way how long do you keep hands on in each position? Theo gingerobyn wrote: > "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message > news:memo.20031203000225.3672E@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > >>(gingerobyn) wrote: >> >> >>>I have tried a few times to direct Reiki to myself with >>>intent alone rather than with hand positions, but I >>>don't seem to feel anything. >> >>What did you expect to feel? > > > > tingling. static. heat. something. some kind of sensation that says "here it > is. this is reiki." > >>From my POV, the positioning of hands in self-treat effectively >>honours your existence .. and requires a certain discipline >>especially on a dark 6am morning ... > > > i agree. i'm not looking to replace that method, just expand. though i am > often too lazy for the discipline required in the placement of hands in > certain places when you want to just lay comfortabley in bed. > > ###### From: "Shaun Rimmer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:40:57 -0000 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-152-38-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com (81.152.38.2) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070530943 71452097 81.152.38.2 ([170198]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host81-152-38-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11546 "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:memo.20031203191610.3672R@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > (Shaun Rimmer) wrote: > > > > >I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with "F" ... > > > > I think you'd likely get it ears first (I have the ability to make very > > much vocal loudness). > > > > > ROFL! > > > > Or 'FOFL', even! > > > > Heheheheh - you lot crack me up - cheers! ',;~}~ > > Ayah! Grinz 'n' smilez iz da bomb, homie! ',;~}~ > We should get together for a beer sometime being as you're > just up the road from Bolton ... You're in Bloomin' Bolton?!?!?!?!? I am sorry to hear it ;-( At least it ain't Darwen I suppose... (heheheheheh!) On a less frivolous note, are you _in_ Bolton, or somewhere else? Beer? - why the heck not eh? Let me know where you are, and we'll see if we can't work something out sometime ',;~}~ Cheers! Shaun aRe - You're buying ',;~}~ ###### From: "Shaun Rimmer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:51:45 -0000 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-152-38-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com (81.152.38.2) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1070531591 69919145 81.152.38.2 ([170198]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host81-152-38-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11547 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:xmAzb.7330$t87.6991@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > > > > > Well, I have a different word I shout in situations like that. Doesn't > heal > > me mind, but at least everyone around me knows 'Shaun is hurting'. > > you were joking of course, but it makes me think. > it's interesting that when people cut or burn themselves they often > shout expletives, or make some expression of anger in some way. if > not an outward burst of anger then anger directed at the self when > they say something like "oh, that was so stupid of me." > > the anger doesn't seem to be a result of the incident, rather the > incident seems to be an expression of the anger. i think the anger > gets stored inside, blocked in some way and needs to find a way to > come out. so you cut yourself, or burn yourself. you yell out or > express some kind of frustration to release some of that anger. with > acut you bleed out some of the anger. with a burn you outwardly > express some of the heat of your anger. I know what you mean - myself, I see anger as self-damaging (if I ever get truly angry, I am psycho-emotionally in _pieces_ for quite some time afterward, enough to bring me to tears more often than not), and injuries resulting from it as an expression of that. I was slicing garlic a few weeks ago and thinking about the worrying behaviour related problems Kath and I are having with Taryn (my step-daughter). I got a rush of anger at the exact time I sliced my finger (and most definately _not_ after the cut!), and knew immediately it was directly a result of the anger. That feeling/thought actually calmed me down immediately, and shortly after, had was laughing ',;~}~ > thats what me thinks. Just another reminder of the interconnectedness of everything huh? Cheers! ',;~}~ Shaun aRe - P.s. - I am far from clumsy with a chef's knife - been using them for years! ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 122 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:54:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070542473 207.69.0.147 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:54:33 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:54:33 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11548 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:19:37 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >nuh uh. not apparent. i agree with you. maybe a slightly different attitude >(and i speak only for myself) and the slight difference (which i didn't >express in the previous post, but do express often) lays in my skeptical >nature and less experience with reiki. As you gain experience, your experiences will surely be different than mine or anyone else's, so it would be natural to assume that our attitudes may change, as well. What say we both check in at this time next year and compare how our attitudes have changed? :-) >i don't mean that one needs to believe in reiki (recipient or >practitioner) to make it effective because i think rieki is effective >regardless. i do think that people can limit their own healing >depending on what they believe is possible. if a person does not in >their conscious mind, subconscoius mind, heart or whatever >believe that they can be cured of cancer they are likely limiting >their chances of being cured of cancer. thats the kind of thing i was >getting at and i really don't know how to express it. Ah! I see. You mean Reiki is one factor, the recipient's attitude toward healing is another factor, and sometimes Reiki might not be effective because the person doesn't want to get well? Is that what you mean? If so, what about the fact that Reiki can help heal mental/emotional problems, too? Sometimes the healing that takes place isn't what we were looking for. I guess what we need is a case study where a large number of cancer patients have a negative attitude about wanting to get better and who are willing to accept Reiki sessions several times a week, if not daily, over a year's time, and then calculate survival rates, psychological profiles, etc. If someone would like to do the study, I would sure like to read it. :-) >i misunderstood what you meant. i was thinking in terms of like >when the dermatologist told me that my stitches will be ready to be >removed in 14 days. it's been a week and a day and i believe my >stitches are ready to come out. she prescribed a time frame for >when things heal but that time frame may be different for different >people. you make a good point. i still think its important to note >that healing can be affected by the mental limits put on it. forgive >me if i implied that you personally put limits on it. i meant the >"universal we." you, me, them, we have met the enemy and they is us! Seriously, though, this brings up the question, again, given a situation where a person is willing to accept Reiki sessions, which will have a further reaching effect, the patient's mental attitude at the outset, or the Reiki, keeping in mind that Reiki can help heal negative attitudes, as well? Granted, not all cases are the same, and we're talking hypothetically and without any data here. Which is not to say that data doesn't exist, just that I don't know where to lay my hands on it, um, er, I mean, to obtain it. (not my intention to go around "healing" data) ;-) >i dont have personal experience with that because anyone who >doesn't believe hasn't let me try. i do agree that reiki works >regardless of whether or not the recipient believes in it. the thing i >question is the extent to which it "works" if there is a limiting belief. Perhaps it depends on the extent to which it can help "heal" limiting beliefs? >yeah, you are right. i just meant that a flashlight is intended to light up >a specific area when you turn it on or whatever and one little flashlight >isn't going to light up an entire city. but then again, i guess i shouldnt >assume it's impossible. Now I think we're carrying the analogy a little too far. But maybe not. Who knows? Maybe it's like what Yoda was telling Luke when he was telling him to use the Force to lift his spacecraft. Maybe size doesn't matter. "Do, or do not. There is no try." ;-) >when did i say "garry you are a limiter of beliefs! and i ginger believe in LOL Yes we all can be limiters, me included. It takes practice to clear our mental roadblocks, and they have a tendency to sneak in when we're not looking. :-) >i will try the battery trick, it didn't occur to me that there was a built >in gauge to test the results. i will do a controlled study (with a whopping >2 people involved) my boyfriend is not attuned to reiki so i will give him a >battery too (that will let us know if it's mere body heat causing a >change--if a change occurs). the only thing to consider though is that my >boyfriend, while not "attuned" to reiki, does seem to have a healing touch, >so i should include a third person who seems to be lacking that. i'll >publish the results of my study as soon as they are ready. Excellent! Looking forward to the publication date! :-) BTW, before I learned Reiki, I was travelling in Mexico for a time, and one of the young sons of the people I was staying with wanted to listen to his pocket radio, but the batteries were dead. He dropped the batteries into boiling water for a few minutes, took them out, and then got a few more minutes of use out of them. But don't let that stop you from carrying out your experiment! I did one, too, where I gave Reiki to two batteries, and a non-Reiki person held two more in his hand the same way I did, for the same length of time. The indicator hardly budged on his batteries, whereas it increased significantly on mine. Still could have been the heat of my hands, though. :-) Got another story, though. One time, when I asked my 2nd degree teacher if distant attunements were possible, she said she thought so, but she would be glad to do an experiment with me to find out for sure. At the appointed hour, I was in my bed and just happened to have my walkman on the night stand very close by. I received the attunement, and if anything, it felt more powerful than her in person attunements, which always knock me for a loop anyways. I buzzed for a while and then finally fell asleep. In the morning, I picked up my walkman and turned it on and no music--which was odd, since I had just put fresh batteries out of a brand new pack in it the previous day. I opened the battery compartment and found that the batteries were leaking! Eek! I took them out, cleaned up the battery compartment so that the contacts wouldn't corrode, and then put in fresh batteries out of the same packet that these had come from. No further problems with leaking batteries. Did the power of my 2nd degree teacher's attunement blow up the batteries? Or was it mere coincidence that I picked the only two defective batteries in the pack at the same time? I guess we'll never know. :-) Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 37 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:24:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070544275 207.69.14.72 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:24:35 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:24:35 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11549 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:30:45 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >news:3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net... >> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:25:07 GMT, "arthealer" >> wrote: > > > > >> > *When you start talking about *intention* . . .it changes the "doesn't >> >require faith (or belief) to work" into a realm from where you cannot >> >remove belief.* >> >> How so? >> > do you ever intend to do a thing you don't believe you can do. . . or >can be done?? I try to do six impossible things before breakfast. After that, the rest of the day is a cake walk. :-) Seriously, I can easily intend something without knowing how things will work out, and even without needing to know how things will work out. Because just for today, I don't worry about it. :-) Maybe it would be helpful if I explained that when I do Reiki, whether in person or long distance, I'm not thinking specific thoughts, not saying words in my head like "make reiki go here and do this". There are no words, just being and doing. I set up the connection, and then just let the Reiki flow. Reiki on, mental chatterbox off. I guess now some questions are, does belief require thought? Does acting imply belief? Can thoughts be wordless? Is the wordless thought that can be spoken of with words not the real wordless thought? Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:29:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070544548 207.69.14.72 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:29:08 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:29:08 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11550 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:31:26 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hey, no problem! That's what we are all doing, while trying to keep all >avenues of possibility and discussion open. For myself, Kevin, I am >trying not to get stuck in "the answer that cannot be disputed." When I >graduated from a boys' catholic high school, run by priests, I spent a >year in the seminary, studying philosophy, etc. and of course, 'prayer'. >We went round and round on that one, much like we are doing with Reiki. >Some things are hard to pin down because they aren't concrete, and what >we end up doing is assigning attributes 'in retrospect' or 'after the >fact', after we have noted a result or a NOT result. We definitely have >a ready explanation that appears undisputable! It seems like we are >addicted to 'have to have an answer.' Interesting. >Cheers >Rich The Answer that can be spoken of in words is not the real Answer. Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcf3889.5852142@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcef8cd_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:35:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070544912 207.69.14.72 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:35:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:35:12 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11551 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:05:44 +0100, Theo wrote: >By the way how long do you keep hands on in each position? As long as you do. :-) There is no right or wrong. Just go with it. Put your hands where you feel they are needed and leave them there until you feel like moving them. Easy to say, hard to believe it's so simple. But that's Reiki! I could make it more complicated, but why bother? Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "R. Bonk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:56:23 +0000 Organization: FTEL Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3FCF3D07.73503FD@ftel.co.uk> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: europa.ftel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-out.ftel.co.uk 1070546229 19004 172.16.2.98 (4 Dec 2003 13:57:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ftel.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:57:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news-out.ftel.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11565 > (sniiiiiip) > > I try to do six impossible things before breakfast. After that, the > rest of the day is a cake walk. :-) > > Seriously, I can easily intend something without knowing how things > will work out, and even without needing to know how things will work > out. Because just for today, I don't worry about it. :-) Maybe it > would be helpful if I explained that when I do Reiki, whether in > person or long distance, I'm not thinking specific thoughts, not > saying words in my head like "make reiki go here and do this". There > are no words, just being and doing. I set up the connection, and then > just let the Reiki flow. Reiki on, mental chatterbox off. I guess now > some questions are, does belief require thought? Does acting imply > belief? Can thoughts be wordless? Is the wordless thought that can be > spoken of with words not the real wordless thought? > > Garry Garry, maybe we are just trying to make things complicated. In most cases we don't need to know how things work, but it still works! Only what we need to know is how to aply it. Like eye drops. If you put them into your eyes it works, you don't need to know how, but it works, but if you put the same drops into your nose - do not expect it will work. You may have lots of faith, but still it is not going to work. With REIKI it is like with walking. When small baby tries to walk, it has no faith, and its intention is not really walking but rather to get somewhere or something. And than it realises it stands and walks. REIKI works automatically. There need to be just some switch to start it, like pain is bringing tears into our eyes without intent. So the pain is the switch for tears. But tears may be caused by other things as well. But try to start your tears just with your thoughts! Love and Light Risha ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:25:33 GMT Lines: 59 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11555 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net... snipped all sorts of good stuff. . .. > > do you ever intend to do a thing you don't believe you can do. . . or > >can be done?? > > I try to do six impossible things before breakfast. After that, the > rest of the day is a cake walk. :-) lol. . ..good idea:) > Seriously, I can easily intend something without knowing how things > will work out, and even without needing to know how things will work > out. Because just for today, I don't worry about it. :-) Yeah but the question still stands: > do you ever intend to do a thing you don't believe you can do. . . or can be done?? i would say you don't. You believe in reiki, no? You believe it may not work how you might imagine (so you don't) *but you believe it will work out for the best. . . .always*. . . .and i believe it is this attitude. .. this greatest faith of all, that works in your behalf. You make the connection, you do reiki, but you have complete faith in reiki to handle it. Why is everybody so damn afraid to assosiate the words belief or faith here at ahr? Reiki from what i have seen is so very faith based but people just refuse to admit it. i am not a religious person *at all* garry. And quite frankly, the use of the words faith and belief use to repel me very quickly when assosiated with religion (grew up having to watch Kathryn Coolman (sp) on tv). I stole this line you wrote to ginger: "If so, what about the fact that Reiki can help heal mental/emotional problems, too? Sometimes the healing that takes place isn't what we were looking for" Now, you appear to have total faith in reiki's ability to heal a wide range of maladies and sometimes healing that takes place isn't what we were looking for. . . .but we have faith and belief in its omnipotence to know much better than we ever could. Why can't you admit this? People are full of beliefs. . . .scads of them. . . whether benificial or not. This precept: just for today, don't worry, is rooted in trust and faith in the universe that things work out for the best. i use it myself. . .i live by it and know that it is a *huge* thing to put into practice.. ... . .to let go of outcomes and have faith in the universe to know how best to handle things. To relingquish what control we *think* we have and give it to something that requires huge leaps of faith isn't exactly rational thinking but it is required to move forward in a persons growth. Love is .. . .. . .knowing that life wants what is best for us if can simply get the heck out of the way. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:49:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1070563780 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:49:40 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:49:40 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11561 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > The Answer that can be spoken of in words is not the real Answer. > > Garry Yeah, but....yeah, but....I got over 300 books in my library. There must be an Answer in there somewhere! Rich X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:49:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1070563780 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:49:40 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:49:40 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11561 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > The Answer that can be spoken of in words is not the real Answer. > > Garry Yeah, but....yeah, but....I got over 300 books in my library. There must be an Answer in there somewhere! Rich ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:53:06 -0600 From: "gargoyle" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:53:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.50.175.210 X-Trace: sv3-sKKTUK3i4GoCoBc/BI4jWlyrkPg2JuEBdt8HshQtmYJh1u0MlEl648HOGeyks/4CzfPrE4Ctz6npfa6!rzdHyvkB2e+Pm7ZazSWMACd+5tUguuGpAoVubIebdCTVXLLqS2THX+IJfP8ywsnAnwUby9NagtVA X-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@karoo.kcom.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.karoo.co.uk!news.karoo.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11567 > There must be an Answer in there somewhere! > Rich 42 ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:57:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1070575068 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:57:48 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:57:48 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11571 Would that be something like 73 Canadian? gargoyle wrote: > > > There must be an Answer in there somewhere! > > Rich > > 42 ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:39:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.32.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070588385 207.69.32.126 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:39:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:39:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11582 Ah! I think I catch your drift now. You think that Reiki works for me because I have faith that it will? Might it not simply be a case of I have faith that it will simply because it always has worked for me? And what about distant healing? What does my faith have to do with it? There is a measurable, physical element involved with Reiki that therefore is tied in with the other physical, measurable aspects of the world we participate in. Having faith that Reiki works is like having faith that the sun will rise every day or that a coin that you drop out of your hand will fall down to the ground instead of up to the sky and on to the stars. It's just a part of what is. More a matter of observation that faith, I think, but call it what you like. :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FCFE1D0.835C614B@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:41:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1070588487 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:41:27 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:41:27 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11583 Just a point, and it may not need mentioning, so here goes!! Things like belief, healing, positive/negative, attitude, etc. all have their 'form' or fundamental meaning, and maybe we need to look at the 'context' in which they are used. (By 'we' I mean y'all, us'n, everyone, okay?) This is not so that we get clear that we are saying the same thing, but to distinguish exactly what we are saying. For example, 'belief' seems quite clearly understood, and maybe not in the different contexts....Christianity, Buddhism, science, philosophy, politics, people with different agendas, etc. I say something to someone and they say, "Gee, Rich, you are a bit negative." Someone else in the same conversation says, "Gee, Rich, that was very positive." Huh? Each is listening from a particular context.(frame of reference?) So, the point may not be to 'get clear' on the meanings of the words but rather to 'get clear' on what context we are listening from. That would be a partial explanation for the frustration in not being able to have others see things my way. Rich > > is. > > Rich > > > i guess i have to accept what you folks are telling me. i am just having a > difficult time arranging it and fitting it into my schema of what healing is > and isn't. > > Love is. . . . breaking the shell of your own understanding. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:49:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.32.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070588973 207.69.32.126 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:49:33 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:49:33 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11584 I think Greg meant that 42 was the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, at least according to that supremely brilliant, fiendishly clever marvel of artificial intelligence known as Deep Thought. However, I wasn't sure what you meant by 73 Canadian so I did a google search and came up with this: http://tinyurl.com/xswc Not very promising. However, should it turn out that 73 Canadian is a brand of good hooch, I would accept that as an alternate answer. :-) Garry ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcef8cd_3@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 03:49:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.227.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070596151 162.83.227.170 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:49:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:49:11 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11594 "Theo" wrote in message news:3fcef8cd_3@news.bluewin.ch... > By the way how long do you keep hands on in each position? > Theo > as long as i feel the need. 1 minute to a few hours sometimes. i fall asleep and wake up hours later with the hands in the same position on some occasions. i move my hands when i no longer feel a flow, or heat or tingling, or a magnetic pull to that place. or if i get lazy and too tired of holding my hand in a particular position. the average for my head positions is usually just a few minutes. for my solar plexus and sacral chakra, 15 to 20. for my heart--hours! i DO feel sensations when i do the hand positions (if that was what you were asking) i DON'T feel sensations when i try to direct reiki to myself mentally without using any hand positions. sorry for the capitals. i am not yelling. just wanted to make the distinction. i thought perhaps you misunderstood me. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 03:54:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.227.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1070596443 162.83.227.170 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:54:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:54:03 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!easynet-quince!easynet.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11595 > Just another reminder of the interconnectedness of everything huh? > yup. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:08:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1070597308 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:08:28 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:08:28 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11596 I know, but up here we keep getting jostled about our Cdn dollar which is worth about 73 cents.U.S. The Cdn hootch is actually 'Seagram's 83' Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > I think Greg meant that 42 was the answer to Life, the Universe, and > Everything, at least according to that supremely brilliant, fiendishly > clever marvel of artificial intelligence known as Deep Thought. > > However, I wasn't sure what you meant by 73 Canadian so I did a google > search and came up with this: > > http://tinyurl.com/xswc > > Not very promising. However, should it turn out that 73 Canadian is a > brand of good hooch, I would accept that as an alternate answer. :-) > > Garry ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:32:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.227.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070598741 162.83.227.170 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:32:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:32:21 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11600 > > Ah! I see. You mean Reiki is one factor, the recipient's attitude > toward healing is another factor, and sometimes Reiki might not be > effective because the person doesn't want to get well? Is that what > you mean? yes kind of. but i'm not talking about the desire to heal or not being conscious necessarily. for instance, i claim to want to heal certain things that i have held on to for a long time. one in particular is a recurring problem since the age of 18. i will tell you adamantly that i want it gone once and for all. and i will mean it. but the problem comes back consistently. apparently i must (subconsciously) get some gratification or perceived benefit from it, otherwise i would have let it go by now. or i might believe that the healing is not possible, or that i am unworthy of it. there is something encouraging me to hold on to something that i claim not to want. If so, what about the fact that Reiki can help heal > mental/emotional problems, too? Sometimes the healing that takes place > isn't what we were looking for. it may not be what we were looking for but it may be what our subconscious selves knew we needed and did seek without telling our conscious selves. [story of mexican boy boiling batteries] both fascinating. if i ever dropped batteries into boiling water when i was little my parents would have killed me. you aren't even supposed to dispose of them with household trash and there are all of these warnings about the acid. as a kid i remember being scolded for licking batteries (a strangely aversive but addictive sensation) and i remember my parents panicked urgency "don't touch that! wash your hands!!" when i pulled leaky size d batteries out of my toys. if i boiled them my parents probably would have warned me against the house blowing up. [story about distant attunement "blowing up" batteries] wow fascinating. i guess you can't be certain whether they were defective batteries or whether it was the attunement. but it sounds suspicious doesn't it? my vote is attunement. in a related topic--today a girl at work today told me that all three of her watches need new batteries but that she doesn't understand because they were all new batteries. she hasn't been attuned to reiki and doesn't practice energy work as far as i know. she has looked at me funny when i have mentioned acupuncture and reiki in the past, but doesn't seem completely closed. i told her that her batteries probably died because of some interaction with her energy field or her pulse or something. i had no idea if that was true or not, but that kind of thing seems to happen to my mom. and my own watches (when i used to wear them) became 5 minutes fast over time for no apparent reason. ###### Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:54:10 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.239.76 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.239.76 Message-ID: <3fd047b1$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070614449 62.203.239.76 (5 Dec 2003 09:54:09 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 55 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11602 HI Garry Nadie Niemand wrote: > There is a measurable, physical element involved with Reiki that > therefore is tied in with the other physical, measurable aspects of > the world we participate in. Having faith that Reiki works is like > having faith that the sun will rise every day yes and whatever human will or intention applied wont' misplace it from his orbit of a jif! >or that a coin that you > drop out of your hand will fall down to the ground instead of up to > the sky and on to the stars. It always amazed me how people accepted that and it took 15k years to find out why AND... still is not crystal clear! >It's just a part of what is. More a > matter of observation that faith, I think, but call it what you like. > :-) what you say makes me think to the following: AIR and REIKI we are supposed to be soaking in both ok? we breath when we need air just take it in when needed. Reiki should came also spontaneously in, when needed or we are sick and want to feel well again ! I cannot send you air ,I can do mouth to mouth or apply a mask.. But I can send you Reiki by intent-- but Air comes into your body spontaneously even if you are fainted , your diaphragm and automatic reflex work for you . But Reiki does not come to you by itself when you are sick or badly need it ! & Both do not come into you when you are dead ! I mean yes they permeate you , but them are not operational / do not help for your dead body So might it be that INTENT plays a far greater role in Reiki exactly as the diaphragm and automatic reflex works for your breating and of course both CEASE being operational/valid when you are dead? So might be INTENT that Create REIKI and DIRECT where/when is needed ? Reasoning this way we follow what Einstein suspected * the unverse exists as we think it exists * and Reiki does not exist * PER SE * is created when needed by INTENT Theo Throw flowers not bricks ! ###### From: "R. Bonk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:57:15 +0000 Organization: FTEL Lines: 93 Message-ID: <3FD0486B.B4D6858A@ftel.co.uk> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: europa.ftel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-out.ftel.co.uk 1070614682 4419 172.16.2.98 (5 Dec 2003 08:58:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ftel.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:58:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news-out.ftel.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11615 Hi Ginger, Some more stories: I can't say much about Reiki ( I got attuned just recently), but from my own experience there are some proceses that affect the way we heal or feel pain. I perform natural healing since I was 7 years old. I never had any illness (except running nose that I don't consider illness and eyes problem inherited from my father). I didn't have any medical record until I needed doctors reference when getting driving licence. When 15 years old, I was hit by car at 60mph at pedestrian crossing. My leg was cut, broken nose and thumb on my left hand. After impact, when lying on the ground, I immediately used self healing. Blood from my nose and from cut on my leg (that was almost 4 in long) stopped and the wounds looked like if there is blood completely missing (like if you take all the blood out). And I didn't feel any pain. I just stood up and was prepared to go home. Some of the pain came after two days, but it was just a bit. When I was 24 I was helping my friends mum in the kitchen. She was cutting vegetable and I was washing dishes. There was already big pile of washed pots. One pot slide and was falling down. I tried to catch it but she (my friends mum) got the same idea and "reached" for the pot with her hend (in which was the knife). So it happend that the knife cut off my thumb on my right hand. So I quickly picked my thumb, put it back, holded it and performed self healing. Trying to relax and slow down my heart beat. There was no blood and no pain. The finger got better and joined same day, and after few days it was again like before (except small ring like scar around my thumb). I don't know if this is supporting your post... So what? Love and light Risha gingerobyn wrote: > > > > Ah! I see. You mean Reiki is one factor, the recipient's attitude > > toward healing is another factor, and sometimes Reiki might not be > > effective because the person doesn't want to get well? Is that what > > you mean? > > yes kind of. but i'm not talking about the desire to heal or not being > conscious necessarily. for instance, i claim to want to heal certain things > that i have held on to for a long time. one in particular is a recurring > problem since the age of 18. i will tell you adamantly that i want it gone > once and for all. and i will mean it. but the problem comes back > consistently. apparently i must (subconsciously) get some gratification or > perceived benefit from it, otherwise i would have let it go by now. or i > might believe that the healing is not possible, or that i am unworthy of it. > there is something encouraging me to hold on to something that i claim not > to want. > > If so, what about the fact that Reiki can help heal > > mental/emotional problems, too? Sometimes the healing that takes place > > isn't what we were looking for. > > it may not be what we were looking for but it may be what our subconscious > selves knew we needed and did seek without telling our conscious selves. > > [story of mexican boy boiling batteries] > both fascinating. if i ever dropped batteries into boiling water when i was > little my parents would have killed me. you aren't even supposed to dispose > of them with household trash and there are all of these warnings about the > acid. as a kid i remember being scolded for licking batteries (a strangely > aversive but addictive sensation) and i remember my parents panicked urgency > "don't touch that! wash your hands!!" when i pulled leaky size d batteries > out of my toys. if i boiled them my parents probably would have warned me > against the house blowing up. > > [story about distant attunement "blowing up" batteries] > wow fascinating. i guess you can't be certain whether they were defective > batteries or whether it was the attunement. but it sounds suspicious doesn't > it? my vote is attunement. > > in a related topic--today a girl at work today told me that all three of her > watches need new batteries but that she doesn't understand because they were > all new batteries. she hasn't been attuned to reiki and doesn't practice > energy work as far as i know. she has looked at me funny when i have > mentioned acupuncture and reiki in the past, but doesn't seem completely > closed. i told her that her batteries probably died because of some > interaction with her energy field or her pulse or something. i had no idea > if that was true or not, but that kind of thing seems to happen to my mom. > and my own watches (when i used to wear them) became 5 minutes fast over > time for no apparent reason. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 41 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070627330 207.69.14.91 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:28:50 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:28:50 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11606 On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:32:21 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >yes kind of. but i'm not talking about the desire to heal or not being >conscious necessarily. for instance, i claim to want to heal certain things >that i have held on to for a long time. one in particular is a recurring >problem since the age of 18. i will tell you adamantly that i want it gone >once and for all. and i will mean it. but the problem comes back >consistently. apparently i must (subconsciously) get some gratification or >perceived benefit from it, otherwise i would have let it go by now. or i >might believe that the healing is not possible, or that i am unworthy of it. >there is something encouraging me to hold on to something that i claim not >to want. It may not be so in your case, but sometimes there is an attachment to a condition or behavior because having it helps us "define who we are", IOW another crutch to help our egos maintain the illusion that the ego is who we really are. Of course, sometimes a problem is a physical issue, like, say, a broken bone. Maybe we broke it just so we could get sympathy to feed our sense of ego, but once broken, someone has to physically reset the bone and put it in a cast before it can heal properly, and overcoming ego isn't going to reset the bone and put on the cast, you have to go to the doctor for that. Or if the physical issue is genetic in nature, it's never going to go away completely and you will have to find a way to live with the condition. You may wish to try giving yourself Reiki just before bedtime, and during your routine, place the Harmony (2nd, or Mental/Emotional) symbol in your crown chakra and state your intent to give yourself permission for your unconscious self to communicate with your conscious self and let you understand why you have/are holding onto this recurring issue. Then get a good night's rest and see what develops. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd07c0b.3046922@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd047b1$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:35:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070627725 207.69.14.91 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:35:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:35:25 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11607 On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:54:10 +0100, Theo wrote: Interesting speculation, Theo! A pity we can't all meet down at the pub to continue speculating over a pitcher of beer or carafe of wine. >Throw flowers not bricks ! Especially if you live in a glass house. ;-) Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:37:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070627865 207.69.14.91 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:37:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:37:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11608 On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:08:28 GMT, Rich wrote: >I know, but up here we keep getting jostled about our Cdn dollar which >is worth about 73 cents.U.S. >The Cdn hootch is actually 'Seagram's 83' >Rich Wow. Back in the good ol' days it was Seagram's 7. Inflation, I guess? ;-) Garry ###### Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:51:16 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd047b1$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3fd07c0b.3046922@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fd07c0b.3046922@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.239.76 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.239.76 Message-ID: <3fd0a972_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070639474 62.203.239.76 (5 Dec 2003 16:51:14 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 20 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11617 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:54:10 +0100, Theo wrote: > > > > Interesting speculation, Theo! A pity we can't all meet down at the > pub to continue speculating over a pitcher of beer or carafe of wine. I can fly over ..;-) >>Throw flowers not bricks ! > Especially if you live in a glass house. ;-) how do you know? Theo ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:28:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1070652539 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:59 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:28:59 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!surfnet.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11620 And back in the ol' days we used to go to the local for 'two and a juice'. Familiar? Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:08:28 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >I know, but up here we keep getting jostled about our Cdn dollar which > >is worth about 73 cents.U.S. > >The Cdn hootch is actually 'Seagram's 83' > >Rich > > Wow. Back in the good ol' days it was Seagram's 7. Inflation, I guess? > ;-) > > Garry ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:41:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.223.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1070671317 162.84.223.110 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:41:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:41:57 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.mountaincable.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11634 > > You may wish to try giving yourself Reiki just before bedtime, and > during your routine, place the Harmony (2nd, or Mental/Emotional) > symbol in your crown chakra and state your intent to give yourself > permission for your unconscious self to communicate with your > conscious self and let you understand why you have/are holding onto > this recurring issue. Then get a good night's rest and see what > develops. > > Love and Light, > > Garry i think i already know why. i don't utilize the harmony symbol enough though, so i should try it. thanks. > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0486B.B4D6858A@ftel.co.uk> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:43:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.223.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1070671382 162.84.223.110 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:43:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:43:02 EST Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11635 fascinating stories. i am about ready to call you a liar because that second one is so unbelievable to me. your thumb was severed completely from your hand? no exaggeration? well i think it does support the idea that if you believe in the impossible it will be possible. i want pictures! ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd13e21.1770529@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd047b1$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3fd07c0b.3046922@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd0a972_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:22:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.13.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070677326 207.69.13.129 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:22:06 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:22:06 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11638 On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:51:16 +0100, Theo wrote: >>>Throw flowers not bricks ! > >> Especially if you live in a glass house. ;-) > how do you know? Experience, m'man, experience! Garry, still picking glass shards out of his skin... ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:24:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.13.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070677444 207.69.13.129 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:24:04 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:24:04 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!eusc.inter.net!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11639 On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:28:59 GMT, Rich wrote: >And back in the ol' days we used to go to the local for 'two and a >juice'. Familiar? >Rich Uh, well, no. Obviously I'm not as experienced as you. ;-) Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:54:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1070679261 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:54:21 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:54:21 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11645 Probably a Canuck thingee. We always got two glasses of beer and a glass of tomato or clamato to mix in. The glasses were small so you always needed to order two. Now when I think about it, it's no wonder I switched to Jamaican rum! (Appleton Estate!) Now here's a scientific question for you...it has been said that our beer is stronger than your beer. Someone corrected me and said it only appeared so because of the differences in the way the alcohol is calculated. Huh? Any ideas? Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:28:59 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >And back in the ol' days we used to go to the local for 'two and a > >juice'. Familiar? > >Rich > > Uh, well, no. Obviously I'm not as experienced as you. ;-) > > Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd15691.8027130@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:11:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.15.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070683876 207.69.15.127 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:11:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:11:16 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11648 On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:54:21 GMT, Rich wrote: >Probably a Canuck thingee. We always got two glasses of beer and a glass >of tomato or clamato to mix in. The glasses were small so you always My gosh! Why would you want to ruin a perfectly good beer? Y'all must have pretty bad beer up there, is all I can think of. Here we order our beers with a shot of whiskey to drop into them. Of course, one might level the same argument against us. :-) >needed to order two. Now when I think about it, it's no wonder I >switched to Jamaican rum! (Appleton Estate!) Good thinking! >Now here's a scientific question for you...it has been said that our >beer is stronger than your beer. Someone corrected me and said it only >appeared so because of the differences in the way the alcohol is >calculated. Huh? Any ideas? I have no idea. Aren't they all calculated by volume? But doesn't really matter anyways since I mostly only drink Mexican beer anyways. Give me a Corona over a Budweiser any day! I'll make an exception for the occasional microbrewery beer, though. OTOH, wine is less filling and usually has more alcohol, so maybe a nice pinot noir is in order? ;-) Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FD159ED.A0157DC9@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> <3fd15691.8027130@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:26:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1070684775 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:26:15 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:26:15 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11649 The answer seems to be in here, bottom of the page. http://www.howstuffworks.com/question532.htm Of course, now I gotta go and check what the numbers say on the bottles...Cdn vs. U.S. Yippee! See y'all later! Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:54:21 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Probably a Canuck thingee. We always got two glasses of beer and a glass > >of tomato or clamato to mix in. The glasses were small so you always > > My gosh! Why would you want to ruin a perfectly good beer? Y'all must > have pretty bad beer up there, is all I can think of. Here we order > our beers with a shot of whiskey to drop into them. Of course, one > might level the same argument against us. :-) > > >needed to order two. Now when I think about it, it's no wonder I > >switched to Jamaican rum! (Appleton Estate!) > > Good thinking! > > >Now here's a scientific question for you...it has been said that our > >beer is stronger than your beer. Someone corrected me and said it only > >appeared so because of the differences in the way the alcohol is > >calculated. Huh? Any ideas? > > I have no idea. Aren't they all calculated by volume? But doesn't > really matter anyways since I mostly only drink Mexican beer anyways. > Give me a Corona over a Budweiser any day! I'll make an exception for > the occasional microbrewery beer, though. > > OTOH, wine is less filling and usually has more alcohol, so maybe a > nice pinot noir is in order? ;-) > > Garry ###### Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:53:41 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <121fcdf494c06245f76a83144ca7f138@news.teranews.com> <3fce8f95.1552229@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf32e9.4411802@news.west.earthlink.net> <45aeeae3c1d1aa9565201db31c217e3d@news.teranews.com> <3fcfe0c5.2335129@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd047b1$1_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3fd07c0b.3046922@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd0a972_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fd13e21.1770529@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3fd13e21.1770529@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.102.24 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.102.24 Message-ID: <3fd1b52f$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070708015 81.62.102.24 (6 Dec 2003 11:53:35 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 27 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11653 LOL! I think that our life can be seen as a glass house ( one out of many persepectives). we see outside but often we are secluded we think to be free we are locked , we see people talking but we do not hear nor people does hear our answers and when pouring bricks season comes no way to shelter just shards to pull out after for a life long time I am milling sooty black today Theo .. Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:51:16 +0100, Theo wrote: > > >>>>Throw flowers not bricks ! >> >>>Especially if you live in a glass house. ;-) >> >> how do you know? > > > Experience, m'man, experience! > > Garry, still picking glass shards out of his skin... > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd1e2ad.1454769@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> <3fd15691.8027130@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD159ED.A0157DC9@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:03:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.13.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070719407 207.69.13.176 (Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:03:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:03:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11654 On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:26:15 GMT, Rich wrote: >The answer seems to be in here, bottom of the page. >http://www.howstuffworks.com/question532.htm >Of course, now I gotta go and check what the numbers say on >the bottles...Cdn vs. U.S. Yippee! See y'all later! Eagerly awaiting your report! Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FD20B2B.D78181FD@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> <3fd15691.8027130@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD159ED.A0157DC9@shaw.ca> <3fd1e2ad.1454769@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:02:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1070730149 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:02:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:02:29 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11656 Called a buddy to act as scientific assistant to the project. I thought we could sample a half dozen assorted brands, always looking at the label, of course. He thought we should go to the store and read labels. Man, good help is hard to find these days! :) http://worldofbeer.com/brightbeer/canbeermyth.html Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:26:15 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >The answer seems to be in here, bottom of the page. > >http://www.howstuffworks.com/question532.htm > >Of course, now I gotta go and check what the numbers say on > >the bottles...Cdn vs. U.S. Yippee! See y'all later! > > Eagerly awaiting your report! > > Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd24292.2683991@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> <3fd15691.8027130@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD159ED.A0157DC9@shaw.ca> <3fd1e2ad.1454769@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD20B2B.D78181FD@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:55:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070744125 207.69.2.185 (Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:55:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:55:25 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!38.119.100.83.MISMATCH!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11666 On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:02:29 GMT, Rich wrote: >Called a buddy to act as scientific assistant to the project. I thought >we could sample a half dozen assorted brands, always looking at the >label, of course. He thought we should go to the store and read labels. >Man, good help is hard to find these days! :) Can you believe it? What is the world coming to? >http://worldofbeer.com/brightbeer/canbeermyth.html Hmmm! I thought we measured ours by volume, too? I'll have to check it out this evening--we're going out to celebrate my 1st taiji teacher's birthday. Only problem is, I'll be drinking Spanish beer because we're going to Tasca Brava, a tapas bar. Hmmm. Guess I'll have to do extended research later. Oh, well. We all must make our little sacrifices for science! Garry >Rich > >Nadie Niemand wrote: >> >> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:26:15 GMT, Rich wrote: >> >> >The answer seems to be in here, bottom of the page. >> >http://www.howstuffworks.com/question532.htm >> >Of course, now I gotta go and check what the numbers say on >> >the bottles...Cdn vs. U.S. Yippee! See y'all later! >> >> Eagerly awaiting your report! >> >> Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:18:29 -0600 From: "Bob_reikipower" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Followup-To: poster References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3FCE2B87.8B1D5D9C@shaw.ca> <45937bb5a2b3c7ffe4323e35ced0086b@news.teranews.com> <3FCED447.C2442951@shaw.ca> <3fcf3721.5491807@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FCF814E.1B41027E@shaw.ca> <3FCFAD66.14E86368@shaw.ca> <3fcfe332.2956231@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD00444.51744189@shaw.ca> <3fd07d02.3293902@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD0DC02.6A4C2682@shaw.ca> <3fd13e99.1890351@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:21:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.109.8 X-Trace: sv3-0UGQE6n4CaoPUY1AeUEKDHMMoCFuNkL/jtPHRlQg+JZ6E1FuyXpGoTkSdCDmzS7SeAKN4WyL0L73wrD!AArWAnF56qW9DOQ9TWp7fxjPIor2ysW6AfMAcs4A12gUrcmCBa+Gd1d2t+YB X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11687 Oh no you hit on one of my weaknesses...Appleton Estates ....yum..hic :>) I used to travel to Jamaica for business and what a trip that was...sigh -- Bob Roffman MS, RP "Rich" wrote in message news:3FD14463.3A517179@shaw.ca... > Probably a Canuck thingee. We always got two glasses of beer and a glass > of tomato or clamato to mix in. The glasses were small so you always > needed to order two. Now when I think about it, it's no wonder I > switched to Jamaican rum! (Appleton Estate!) > Now here's a scientific question for you...it has been said that our > beer is stronger than your beer. Someone corrected me and said it only > appeared so because of the differences in the way the alcohol is > calculated. Huh? Any ideas? > Rich > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:28:59 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > >And back in the ol' days we used to go to the local for 'two and a > > >juice'. Familiar? > > >Rich > > > > Uh, well, no. Obviously I'm not as experienced as you. ;-) > > > > Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 05:35:52 GMT Lines: 49 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11692 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net... snip > Of course, sometimes a problem is a physical issue, like, say, a > broken bone. Maybe we broke it just so we could get sympathy to feed > our sense of ego, but once broken, someone has to physically reset the > bone and put it in a cast before it can heal properly One either believes in ones inherent power to heal or not. One either believes that only the most benificial things happen or not. The middle ground you speak of brings minimal results. > and overcoming > ego isn't going to reset the bone How do you know? >and put on the cast, you have to go > to the doctor for that. may not need one after the ego is delt with. > Or if the physical issue is genetic in nature, > it's never going to go away completely and you will have to find a way > to live with the condition. have you tried and failed? Love is. .. > > Garry > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 64 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:35:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070886903 207.69.0.87 (Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:35:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:35:03 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11697 On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 05:35:52 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >news:3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net... > > >snip >> Of course, sometimes a problem is a physical issue, like, say, a >> broken bone. Maybe we broke it just so we could get sympathy to feed >> our sense of ego, but once broken, someone has to physically reset the >> bone and put it in a cast before it can heal properly > > One either believes in ones inherent power to heal or not. One either >believes that only the most benificial things happen or not. The middle >ground you speak of brings minimal results. One either believes dropped items fall to the ground instead of up into the sky, or not. However, changing one's beliefs on the matter doesn't change the way things fall. Or can you flap your arms and fly, just because you believe you can? :-) I find that what brings minimal results is not making use of the power of observation. As a famous restaurant chain says, there are no rules, just right. ;-) Speaking of observations, it appears to me that you have a tendancy to think in dualistic terms. Yes/no, right/wrong, succeed/fail. There are ever only two options. You might want to expand your repertoire. Or you might not. Think about it! ;-) >> and overcoming >> ego isn't going to reset the bone > >How do you know? When you break a leg, can you just believe the pieces into moving around to the right position, or does someone actually have to pick them up and move them to the right position first? I go with having someone moving them to the right position, and *then* using one's innate healing abilities to speed the reknitting of the bone. This seems to take the least amount of time. YMMV :-) Why does it bother you to think that someone can help facilitate your healing? >>and put on the cast, you have to go >> to the doctor for that. > >may not need one after the ego is delt with. How so? Example, please? >> Or if the physical issue is genetic in nature, >> it's never going to go away completely and you will have to find a way >> to live with the condition. > > have you tried and failed? Do you mean what I mean by the words "find a way to live with the condition"? I am talking about success. You are talking about failure. Love and Light, Garry ###### Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:31:36 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.80.172 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.80.172 Message-ID: <3fd5f8d4$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1070987476 62.202.80.172 (9 Dec 2003 17:31:16 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 26 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11718 Shaun Rimmer wrote: > "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message > news:memo.20031205192314.1628A@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > >>(Shaun Rimmer) wrote: >> >> >>>>Acksherly, Harwood ... >>> >>>Oh! So, you're closer to us then >> >>Further ... it's 24 miles to The Dog ... 12 to Blackburn .. ;) > > > The Dog in Whalley? nope Baskerville's :-) Theo > > Shaun aRe > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fd62505.419750@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fd5f8d4$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:38:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.3.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1070998693 207.69.3.47 (Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:38:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:38:13 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11721 On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:31:36 +0100, Theo wrote: >> The Dog in Whalley? > nope Baskerville's :-) Theo, are you hounding them? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Grrrrrarry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:12:17 GMT Lines: 118 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11727 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 05:35:52 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > >news:3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > > > >snip > >> Of course, sometimes a problem is a physical issue, like, say, a > >> broken bone. Maybe we broke it just so we could get sympathy to feed > >> our sense of ego, but once broken, someone has to physically reset the > >> bone and put it in a cast before it can heal properly > > > > One either believes in ones inherent power to heal or not. One either > >believes that only the most benificial things happen or not. The middle > >ground you speak of brings minimal results. > > One either believes dropped items fall to the ground instead of up > into the sky, or not. >However, changing one's beliefs on the matter > doesn't change the way things fall. Garry, we are talking about healing not gravity. . . .besides, things on a sub atomic level are affected by our observance. The 'rules' keep changing don't they, as what we believe changes. >Or can you flap your arms and fly, > just because you believe you can? :-) Yes, but it is more like creative falling:) > I find that what brings minimal > results is not making use of the power of observation. As a famous > restaurant chain says, there are no rules, just right. ;-) > > Speaking of observations, it appears to me that you have a tendancy to > think in dualistic terms. Yes/no, right/wrong, succeed/fail. There are > ever only two options. You might want to expand your repertoire. Or > you might not. Think about it! ;-) Well, if i believed in failure you might have a point, however, all those options you speak of may not be benificial . . . so why concern yourself with them. In healing, maybe so and maybe not isn't the mind set you want to adopt. We create our own reality, and knowing this, it is best to create what is benificial, no? > >> and overcoming > >> ego isn't going to reset the bone > > > >How do you know? > > When you break a leg, can you just believe the pieces into moving > around to the right position yes, of course. Do you doubt and limit the healing power of 'reiki'? (assuming of course that the same healing power is imployed by everyone reguardless of the name we attach to it.) > or does someone actually have to pick > them up and move them to the right position first? I go with having > someone moving them to the right position, and *then* using one's > innate healing abilities to speed the reknitting of the bone. This > seems to take the least amount of time. YMMV :-) bones seem to be the popular example around here. Actually,according to the people that participate here, *after* one goes to the doctor seems the be at the top of the list for what reiki can help. > Why does it bother you to think that someone can help facilitate your > healing? > >>and put on the cast, you have to go > >> to the doctor for that. When a person deals with their own illness there is a responsibility for how one got there to begin with. Things are learned that are missed otherwise. Why does it bother you to believe the healing force is there for you to employ? Speed of healing really isn't the issue. . . . profound healing is. > >may not need one after the ego is delt with. > > How so? Example, please? Garry, i thought you believed things always worked out for the best! Healing may not be what you believe it to be. When the cause of disease is being delt with, holisticly, things simply begin to fall into place.. .. healing occures. Just as when one faithfully takes up the 5 precepts of reiki, healing begins to occure from the inside out as all healing does. When i was diagnosed with degenerative spinal condition i began to correct the internal cause of the external manifestation and it immediately began to heal. Part of the reason it began to heal was because* i * took responsibility for the healing process. . and didn't let the doctors do a spinal fussion. As you know, things respond to intention. > >> Or if the physical issue is genetic in nature, > >> it's never going to go away completely and you will have to find a way > >> to live with the condition. > > > > have you tried and failed? > > Do you mean what I mean by the words "find a way to live with the > condition"? I am talking about success. You are talking about failure. No, i am talking about the statement you made above,"it's never going to go away completely". It is an attitude i am talking about that i see in your writting.. . .so confident in the limitations of 'healing energies'. Love is . . . > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:17:50 -0600 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.196 X-Trace: sv3-a91S9Kj7UzjdUlZFljmyioLk6VQBoRmXYpov8EGTSD0dPPs8mVIVea3/F+qIcMLCbm5eRK4GYLvrThX!bNcypxwhT+RuHd7EqClIQSsUjwwnEmEKUIGyH58TjM52RHcThLnI3M1uiccwkXgx413sgRcMZw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11732 I am not sure whether you guys were in a discussion about Reiki healing fractures or a discussion about belief systems etc. I will weigh in on the 1st of these But, Reiki-like technology has been used to help heal fractures. If a bone fails to knit after being re-located and stabilized (and why would we try it any other way??), the result is referred to as a non-union fracture. The electro-magnetic effects that stimulate the bone to knit have stopped, so what they do (and you can get this at your local hospital) is put a coil in a cast with a small 8-10hz pulsed current, which results in a low intensity magnetic field of the same frequency. The same as Reiki (7.8 hz low intensity mag field ). What the studies show is that the application of these fields (referred to as PEMF - pulsed electro-magnetic fields) accelerates the body's healing response so that it reaches its maximum rate in a shorter time than it would otherwise. In the case of a stalled response (as above), it starts it up again. For those interested in this topic, go to pubmed http://tinyurl.com/5a3 and search on PEMF. Peterz www.onreiki.com "arthealer" wrote in message news:ecead46fa19e86fe2df3dc78b2c172bc@news.teranews.com... > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net... > > On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 05:35:52 GMT, "arthealer" > > wrote: [a lot of snipperology] > > or does someone actually have to pick > > them up and move them to the right position first? I go with having > > someone moving them to the right position, and *then* using one's > > innate healing abilities to speed the reknitting of the bone. This > > seems to take the least amount of time. YMMV :-) > > bones seem to be the popular example around here. Actually,according to the > people that participate here, *after* one goes to the doctor seems the be at > the top of the list for what reiki can help. > > > [snipetc.] ###### From: "Shaun Rimmer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:26:54 -0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3fd5f8d4$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> <3fd62505.419750@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-152-105-58.range81-152.btcentralplus.com (81.152.105.58) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1071062896 122736 81.152.105.58 ([170198]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host81-152-105-58.range81-152.btcentralplus.COM!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11734 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fd62505.419750@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:31:36 +0100, Theo wrote: > > >> The Dog in Whalley? > > nope Baskerville's :-) > > Theo, are you hounding them? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? > > Grrrrrarry Oh bloody behave you two - this is a _serious_ NG! Sheesh... Shaun aRe ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 104 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:56:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1071276990 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:56:30 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:56:30 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11787 Hey, here's a couple more thoughts to throw into the mix....if we create our own reality, we must do it from a certain fundamental perspective. Are we a realist, or an idealist, or a pragmatic realist, or a critical realist, a materialist, a spiritualist, etc. Gets kinda involved, I think. If you create your own reality, is everything out there part of your creation? Do you create your own reality and then place it among everyone else's? Is there one mind or is ours one among many? What does the creating? Can a blank slate do any creating? If it choses a reality, then it must have already created the various options from which to pick. Does it matter what one creates, since it is not permanent anyway? Is reality fluid rather than fixed? Is it the same for truth? Is truth a process rather than carved in stone? Is Reiki a 'healing system' or a door of healing that is opening us to almost anywhere we want it to go? Are we really limiting ourselves in its possibility? It seems that if we already have this inherent healing capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or different? Healing was happening all over the planet already. He spent a month fasting on a mountain and gave us 'same old same old'? I think not. Art Schopenhauer said, "Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world." So far this is where it has gotten us. Well, that's about as confused as I want to be for now. There is more in what you say, Peter, and it brings to mind what someone said about proper investigation and discussion....it never ends and opens more possibilities than it resolves! Rilke said to 'not try to resolve every issue but to dwell in the question, and maybe we will live into the answers.' (paraphrased) Cheers Rich pr wrote: > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net... > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:12:17 GMT, "arthealer" > > wrote: > > > > > >Well, if i believed in failure you might have a point, however, all those > > >options you speak of may not be benificial . . . so why concern yourself > > >with them. In healing, maybe so and maybe not isn't the mind set you want > to > > >adopt. We create our own reality, and knowing this, it is best to create > > >what is benificial, no? > > > > Hmmm, I would say, we create our own *interpretation* of reality, > > based on senses that can't be trusted, and trying to see patterns in > > bad data that may not have any pattern. Yet I will be happy. :-) > > Usually I would concur with you. However, some idle thinking > had the thought coming up "what if we really create our own > reality?" What is the difference between perception of it and > the actuality of it? Or to ask it in another way, "what is meant > by creating our own reality?" > If we really do create it ourselves, then why do we all create > a reality that is so much the same, get born, live, and die? > Why are animals apparently the same? Do they create their > own (consenus) reality too, and how do they achieve that, get > consensus? > But what about the accounts recorded in many scriptural > texts form all over the world which apparently defy our > normal consensus on what is possible and what is not? > > But one of the most intriguing option that comes out of creating > our own reality is that if that is true then I must be included > in this creation. IOW, I create myself, and if I do that then > I can also "not create" myself. What would happen to the > world and the rest of reality in such a case? > Where does Reiki fit into all of this? I have no idea other > than it may just be the "thing" which allows us to > create, in whatever sense you want to take "create". > > There are people who say that there is a great "indaba" > (meeting) by yourself and you spiritual guides before you > get born. In that meeting tou figure out what you want to > learn in your next incarnation and then select suitable > conditions where such learning can happen. In such a > way you would have chosen not only the social and > environmental circumstances but also your genetic > inheritance. You may be doubtful about this scenario but > it brings up one more wonderful possibility. The question > is about choices, circumstances and conditions, and how > much say you had in them. What if the choice does not > refer to to choices you made then, before you were born, > but really refers to now? Right now you can chose to be > content and happy with whatever conditions you have, or > you can be discontent, wishing they were different. In a way > it is taking responsibility for something you may not have > had much control over it. It may be like an unexpected or > even unwanted baby, it is here now and you better take good > care of it. In a sense this is the concept of "duty" that exists > in many religions. But we want freedom! We want to be free, > certainly do not want to shackled by "duties" let alone > imposed ones. > However, once I accept it then from that point onwards, I can > create instead of trying to dis-create my life. Maybe the idea > of us trying discreate our reality continually, is a more useful > and acceptable one than creating our reality. > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:02:42 +0200 Lines: 187 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-226.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Dec 2003 07:56:45 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-226.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nrc-news.nrc.ca!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-226.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11789 "Rich" wrote in message news:3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca... > Hey, here's a couple more thoughts to throw into the mix....if we create > our own reality, we must do it from a certain fundamental perspective. > Are we a realist, or an idealist, or a pragmatic realist, or a critical > realist, a materialist, a spiritualist, etc. I don't think so as this process takes place long before the intellectual capacities for the mentioned categories exists. It begins at birth, maybe even before it. Eventually this process may be classified along certain lines, but then the "horrible has already happened." I would say that the fundamental perspective you refer to is our given brain structure and sensing apparatus. > If you create your own reality, is everything out there part of > your creation? Do you create your own reality and then place it among > everyone else's? That depends on what is "you". The answer could be yes or no depending on how much you belief that structure determines outcomes. Take the big meeting before an incarnation as an example. Is this just a spiritual explanation of the apparent fact that we live in a given set of circumstances? Is it a device to sweeten these circumstances by claiming that we chose them? Or are they simple karmic retribution? There is also the question of what we do with the option accepted. Both options could be used to blame a person for his misfortunes and as an excuse not to help where help is warranted or asked for. >Is there one mind or is ours one among many? What does > the creating? Can a blank slate do any creating? If it choses a reality, > then it must have already created the various options from which to > pick. I have never come across the idea that chosing ones reality is multi-choice thing only. It is assumed, I assume, that all this creating is ex-nihilo. > Does it matter what one creates, since it is not permanent anyway? I think it matters for the duration of its existence. >Is reality fluid rather than fixed? Is it the same for truth? Is truth a > process rather than carved in stone? If you define reality as "that which is" then as an idea, a definition, it is fixed, as the actuality of it, it is fluid. The truth, meaning essentially the same as reality has the same characteristics. The Truth, however, is a different matter, it is fixed. To use the truth to arrive at the Truth is a process. > Is Reiki a 'healing system' or a door of healing that is opening us to > almost anywhere we want it to go? Are we really limiting ourselves in > its possibility? It seems that if we already have this inherent healing > capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or > different? Healing was happening all over the planet already. He spent a > month fasting on a mountain and gave us 'same old same old'? > I think not. He gave the world his own unique expression of a healing methodology. He said, you can all heal yourself and others, BUT if you are using this methodology you will be more sucessful becauses it focuses the mind, it allows you to draw on powers which you would usually not have access to that easily. He would also have said, I am sure, that this Reiki is not better than other methods, it is just different. Come to think of it, it is better for *you* because you have some affinity to it, it makes sense to you and you think that it fits into your life in a more appropriate manner than other systems. So it is a better system and maybe even the BEST. Thus he gave us the same old in a new guise. > Art Schopenhauer said, "Every man takes the limits of his > own field of vision for the limits of the world." So far this is where > it has gotten us. I must remember this. > Well, that's about as confused as I want to be for now. Confusion is always a deliberate state. :-) The answers are there for all to see. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" > There is more in what you say, Peter, and it brings to mind what someone > said about proper investigation and discussion....it never ends and > opens more possibilities than it resolves! Rilke said to 'not try to > resolve every issue but to dwell in the question, and maybe we will live > into the answers.' (paraphrased) > Cheers > Rich > > pr wrote: > > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > news:3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:12:17 GMT, "arthealer" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Well, if i believed in failure you might have a point, however, all those > > > >options you speak of may not be benificial . . . so why concern yourself > > > >with them. In healing, maybe so and maybe not isn't the mind set you want > > to > > > >adopt. We create our own reality, and knowing this, it is best to create > > > >what is benificial, no? > > > > > > Hmmm, I would say, we create our own *interpretation* of reality, > > > based on senses that can't be trusted, and trying to see patterns in > > > bad data that may not have any pattern. Yet I will be happy. :-) > > > > Usually I would concur with you. However, some idle thinking > > had the thought coming up "what if we really create our own > > reality?" What is the difference between perception of it and > > the actuality of it? Or to ask it in another way, "what is meant > > by creating our own reality?" > > If we really do create it ourselves, then why do we all create > > a reality that is so much the same, get born, live, and die? > > Why are animals apparently the same? Do they create their > > own (consenus) reality too, and how do they achieve that, get > > consensus? > > But what about the accounts recorded in many scriptural > > texts form all over the world which apparently defy our > > normal consensus on what is possible and what is not? > > > > But one of the most intriguing option that comes out of creating > > our own reality is that if that is true then I must be included > > in this creation. IOW, I create myself, and if I do that then > > I can also "not create" myself. What would happen to the > > world and the rest of reality in such a case? > > Where does Reiki fit into all of this? I have no idea other > > than it may just be the "thing" which allows us to > > create, in whatever sense you want to take "create". > > > > There are people who say that there is a great "indaba" > > (meeting) by yourself and you spiritual guides before you > > get born. In that meeting tou figure out what you want to > > learn in your next incarnation and then select suitable > > conditions where such learning can happen. In such a > > way you would have chosen not only the social and > > environmental circumstances but also your genetic > > inheritance. You may be doubtful about this scenario but > > it brings up one more wonderful possibility. The question > > is about choices, circumstances and conditions, and how > > much say you had in them. What if the choice does not > > refer to to choices you made then, before you were born, > > but really refers to now? Right now you can chose to be > > content and happy with whatever conditions you have, or > > you can be discontent, wishing they were different. In a way > > it is taking responsibility for something you may not have > > had much control over it. It may be like an unexpected or > > even unwanted baby, it is here now and you better take good > > care of it. In a sense this is the concept of "duty" that exists > > in many religions. But we want freedom! We want to be free, > > certainly do not want to shackled by "duties" let alone > > imposed ones. > > However, once I accept it then from that point onwards, I can > > create instead of trying to dis-create my life. Maybe the idea > > of us trying discreate our reality continually, is a more useful > > and acceptable one than creating our reality. > > > > -- > > Namu Amida Butsu > > Peter Reber > > "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 67 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:11:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1071321106 207.69.2.45 (Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:11:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:11:46 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!fi.sn.net!newsfeed2.fi.sn.net!news2.euro.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11793 On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:02:42 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca... >> Is Reiki a 'healing system' or a door of healing that is opening us to >> almost anywhere we want it to go? Are we really limiting ourselves in >> its possibility? It seems that if we already have this inherent healing >> capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or >> different? Healing was happening all over the planet already. He spent a >> month fasting on a mountain and gave us 'same old same old'? >> I think not. > >He gave the world his own unique expression of >a healing methodology. He said, you can all >heal yourself and others, BUT if you are using >this methodology you will be more sucessful >becauses it focuses the mind, it allows you to >draw on powers which you would usually not >have access to that easily. He would also have >said, I am sure, that this Reiki is not better than >other methods, it is just different. Come to >think of it, it is better for *you* because you >have some affinity to it, it makes sense to you >and you think that it fits into your life in a more >appropriate manner than other systems. So it >is a better system and maybe even the BEST. >Thus he gave us the same old in a new guise. *Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. Oh, sure, we are all very quick to recite the "Just for todays", but how often do we recite, much less think about, the first and last part of Usui's words that are written on his memorial? To wit: "The secret method of inviting happiness, The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." Usui tells us right then and there that the very bedrock of what he is talking about is putting into practice the precepts. Does the memorial stone say "The semi-secret method of inviting *what*-ever , the ordinary medicine for a few diseases"? I don't think so! He's telling us *exactly* what we can expect, and it's no small thing. And specifically he says we do this by: "Mornings and evenings sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud and in your heart. For the improvement of body and soul." Yet we think we'll heal ourselves and become better healing facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake up", if only we'll pay attention. YMMV, of course. :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:39:49 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 71 Message-ID: <3FDB16A5.6EF79B8E@imbris.com> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm677-27.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!aanews.merit.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11794 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:02:42 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca... > > confusion> > > >> Is Reiki a 'healing system' or a door of healing that is opening us to > >> almost anywhere we want it to go? Are we really limiting ourselves in > >> its possibility? It seems that if we already have this inherent healing > >> capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or > >> different? Healing was happening all over the planet already. He spent a > >> month fasting on a mountain and gave us 'same old same old'? > >> I think not. > > > >He gave the world his own unique expression of > >a healing methodology. He said, you can all > >heal yourself and others, BUT if you are using > >this methodology you will be more sucessful > >becauses it focuses the mind, it allows you to > >draw on powers which you would usually not > >have access to that easily. He would also have > >said, I am sure, that this Reiki is not better than > >other methods, it is just different. Come to > >think of it, it is better for *you* because you > >have some affinity to it, it makes sense to you > >and you think that it fits into your life in a more > >appropriate manner than other systems. So it > >is a better system and maybe even the BEST. > >Thus he gave us the same old in a new guise. > > *Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of > the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail > on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the > enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. Oh, sure, we are all very > quick to recite the "Just for todays", but how often do we recite, > much less think about, the first and last part of Usui's words that > are written on his memorial? To wit: > > "The secret method of inviting happiness, > The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." > > Usui tells us right then and there that the very bedrock of what he is > talking about is putting into practice the precepts. Does the memorial > stone say "The semi-secret method of inviting *what*-ever > , the ordinary medicine for a few diseases"? I don't > think so! He's telling us *exactly* what we can expect, and it's no > small thing. And specifically he says we do this by: > > "Mornings and evenings sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud > and in your heart. For the improvement of body and soul." > > Yet we think we'll heal ourselves and become better healing > facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts > and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most > cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of > healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and > live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake > up", if only we'll pay attention. > > YMMV, of course. :-) Well it's there, of course, but may be too philosophical for the right brain `show me how to *do* it' folks. Western culture takes a cookbook approach with an emphasis on doing things rather than being, or internalizing them. sue ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDB3709.16BF1AA8@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 82 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:00:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1071331219 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:00:19 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:00:19 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11797 What you are saying, Garry, is what I have been trying to wrestle with for some time now. I feel that 2000 yrs ago another wise person 'pointed to the moon' and gave us the precept of 'love yourselves and each other'. We seem to have gotten that one screwed up by paying homage to the finger and forgetting the 'pointed to' (the precept). Many folks have even said that the way to 'salvation' is to, 'accept the finger as one's personal savior', when it should be to accept and live the precepts. (hey, I warned you that I might be irreverent!) Now, examining the Reiki precepts (or whomever originated them) might be more of an 'in your face exercise' and require more personal introspection than "Heal!" (and examining that), don't you think? cheers Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:02:42 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca... > > confusion> > > >> Is Reiki a 'healing system' or a door of healing that is opening us to > >> almost anywhere we want it to go? Are we really limiting ourselves in > >> its possibility? It seems that if we already have this inherent healing > >> capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or > >> different? Healing was happening all over the planet already. He spent a > >> month fasting on a mountain and gave us 'same old same old'? > >> I think not. > > > >He gave the world his own unique expression of > >a healing methodology. He said, you can all > >heal yourself and others, BUT if you are using > >this methodology you will be more sucessful > >becauses it focuses the mind, it allows you to > >draw on powers which you would usually not > >have access to that easily. He would also have > >said, I am sure, that this Reiki is not better than > >other methods, it is just different. Come to > >think of it, it is better for *you* because you > >have some affinity to it, it makes sense to you > >and you think that it fits into your life in a more > >appropriate manner than other systems. So it > >is a better system and maybe even the BEST. > >Thus he gave us the same old in a new guise. > > *Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of > the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail > on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the > enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. Oh, sure, we are all very > quick to recite the "Just for todays", but how often do we recite, > much less think about, the first and last part of Usui's words that > are written on his memorial? To wit: > > "The secret method of inviting happiness, > The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." > > Usui tells us right then and there that the very bedrock of what he is > talking about is putting into practice the precepts. Does the memorial > stone say "The semi-secret method of inviting *what*-ever > , the ordinary medicine for a few diseases"? I don't > think so! He's telling us *exactly* what we can expect, and it's no > small thing. And specifically he says we do this by: > > "Mornings and evenings sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud > and in your heart. For the improvement of body and soul." > > Yet we think we'll heal ourselves and become better healing > facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts > and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most > cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of > healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and > live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake > up", if only we'll pay attention. > > YMMV, of course. :-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDB3987.EA5768F6@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDB16A5.6EF79B8E@imbris.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 84 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:10:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1071331857 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:10:57 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:10:57 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11798 Yes. Remember the story about the guy looking for his car keys way down the street under the street lamp, not because he lost them there, but because their was more light there? We live in a 'measure your results' culture. Easier to dwell on external technique rather than 'moving the spirit', which may be more confrontational, and certainly harder to measure. We seem to 'lose face' and beat ourselves up when we don't notice the 'right results' to healing. Ah yes, the precepts! Of course. cheers Rich suzee wrote: > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:02:42 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > > > > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca... > > > > > confusion> > > > > >> Is Reiki a 'healing system' or a door of healing that is opening us to > > >> almost anywhere we want it to go? Are we really limiting ourselves in > > >> its possibility? It seems that if we already have this inherent healing > > >> capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or > > >> different? Healing was happening all over the planet already. He spent a > > >> month fasting on a mountain and gave us 'same old same old'? > > >> I think not. > > > > > >He gave the world his own unique expression of > > >a healing methodology. He said, you can all > > >heal yourself and others, BUT if you are using > > >this methodology you will be more sucessful > > >becauses it focuses the mind, it allows you to > > >draw on powers which you would usually not > > >have access to that easily. He would also have > > >said, I am sure, that this Reiki is not better than > > >other methods, it is just different. Come to > > >think of it, it is better for *you* because you > > >have some affinity to it, it makes sense to you > > >and you think that it fits into your life in a more > > >appropriate manner than other systems. So it > > >is a better system and maybe even the BEST. > > >Thus he gave us the same old in a new guise. > > > > *Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of > > the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail > > on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the > > enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. Oh, sure, we are all very > > quick to recite the "Just for todays", but how often do we recite, > > much less think about, the first and last part of Usui's words that > > are written on his memorial? To wit: > > > > "The secret method of inviting happiness, > > The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." > > > > Usui tells us right then and there that the very bedrock of what he is > > talking about is putting into practice the precepts. Does the memorial > > stone say "The semi-secret method of inviting *what*-ever > > , the ordinary medicine for a few diseases"? I don't > > think so! He's telling us *exactly* what we can expect, and it's no > > small thing. And specifically he says we do this by: > > > > "Mornings and evenings sit in gassho and repeat these words out loud > > and in your heart. For the improvement of body and soul." > > > > Yet we think we'll heal ourselves and become better healing > > facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts > > and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most > > cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of > > healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and > > live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake > > up", if only we'll pay attention. > > > > YMMV, of course. :-) > > Well it's there, of course, but may be too philosophical for the right > brain `show me how to *do* it' folks. Western culture takes a cookbook > approach with an emphasis on doing things rather than being, or > internalizing them. > > sue ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fdba7c4.715289@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDB3709.16BF1AA8@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:58:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.2.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1071359880 207.69.2.108 (Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:58:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:58:00 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11813 You've hit the nail on the head, Rich, nail on the head! Oh, wait. Those were in the hands and feet. My bust! ;-) Garry On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:00:19 GMT, Rich wrote: >What you are saying, Garry, is what I have been trying to wrestle with >for some time now. I feel that 2000 yrs ago another wise person 'pointed >to the moon' and gave us the precept of 'love yourselves and each >other'. We seem to have gotten that one screwed up by paying homage to >the finger and forgetting the 'pointed to' (the precept). >Many folks have even said that the way to 'salvation' is to, 'accept the >finger as one's personal savior', when it should be to accept and live >the precepts. (hey, I warned you that I might be irreverent!) >Now, examining the Reiki precepts (or whomever originated them) might be >more of an 'in your face exercise' and require more personal >introspection than "Heal!" (and examining that), don't you think? >cheers >Rich ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <472fa7ac1271907451cd090ad5e15826@news.teranews.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:01 GMT Lines: 355 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11814 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:12:17 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nadie Niemand" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:12:17 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > > >> >> Of course, sometimes a problem is a physical issue, like, say, a > >> >> broken bone. Maybe we broke it just so we could get sympathy to feed > >> >> our sense of ego, but once broken, someone has to physically reset the > >> >> bone and put it in a cast before it can heal properly > >> > > >> > One either believes in ones inherent power to heal or not. One either > >> >believes that only the most benificial things happen or not. The middle > >> >ground you speak of brings minimal results. > >> > >> One either believes dropped items fall to the ground instead of up > >> into the sky, or not. > >>However, changing one's beliefs on the matter > >> doesn't change the way things fall. > > > > Garry, we are talking about healing not gravity. . . .besides, things on a > > And you are certain that there are no connections or similarities > between the two? i'm listening.. . . > >sub atomic level are affected by our observance. The 'rules' keep changing > >don't they, as what we believe changes. > > Of course. But let me give you an example of "rule changing". Prior to > Einstein and his cohorts, physical interactions were believed to be > covered by Newton's laws. We could use those formulas to calculate how > much force was needed for a baseball bat to strike a baseball to bring > it up to a given speed travelling in a given direction and covering a > given distance. Well, along came Michelson-Morely and Einstein and > others and showed that the Newtonian view wasn't correct in some > areas, and now we know that as you approach a significant fraction of > the speed of light, things get shorter in the direction of travel, True. .. Steve Martin use to get 'small' while driving in the car:) > time slows down for the thing travelling fast, and it's all relative > to who's doing the travelling and the frame of reference it's being > compared to, etc, etc. Yet none of this changes even a tiny whit the > usefulness of the Newtonian mechanics for calculating the trajectory > of the baseball in normal sports situations. The formula is good in > all the situations it was previously applied to, and only became > useless when applied to previously unimagined situations, like travel > at speeds approaching the speed of light. > > What does this have to do with healing? It looks to me exactly like > your situation of saying that you can use belief to move the broken > bone that's out of position back to its proper position so that > healing can begin. Your belief is like Einsteinian physics, it applies > in previously unexplored areas, and *should* be able to get the same > results that previous experience, like Newtonian physics, gets in > previously well-explored areas. However, if you insist on calling > realistic observation self-limiting failure, I don't see how we can > come to a meeting of minds? "realistic" observation seems a bit smug as well > >>Or can you flap your arms and fly, > >> just because you believe you can? :-) > > > >Yes, but it is more like creative falling:) > > You see my point, even if you fail to acknowledge it outright. :-) no, you changed the point i made already into something you feel is even more outlandish than bones finding their way back into place. Because i admitted i could not fly you assume your point is valid, however, the point remains that one needn't go to the doctor as you say. When i take up flying, we shall hash it out then. When Jessie Jackson was spotted walking on water the newspaper printed headlines that read, "Jessie Jackson can't swim". > >> I find that what brings minimal > >> results is not making use of the power of observation. I think what you refer to as the "power of observation" is nothing more than mimicking what you have been told reality is. >as a famous > >> restaurant chain says, there are no rules, just right. ;-) > >> Speaking of observations, it appears to me that you have a tendancy to > >> think in dualistic terms. Yes/no, right/wrong, succeed/fail. There are > >> ever only two options. You might want to expand your repertoire.a Or > >> you might not. Think about it! ;-) > > > >Well, if i believed in failure you might have a point, however, all those > >options you speak of may not be beneficial . . . so why concern yourself > >with them. In healing, maybe so and maybe not isn't the mind set you want to adopt. We create our own reality, and knowing this, it is best to create > >what is beneficial, no? > > Hmmm, I would say, we create our own *interpretation* of reality, > based on senses that can't be trusted, and trying to see patterns in > bad data that may not have any pattern. Yet I will be happy. :-) What i call reality changes as i change my beliefs.. It enables me to do things otherwise believed impossible and out of my reach. Unfortunately, you cannot interact effectively with Reality because of your faulty and unreliable senses. > >> >> and overcoming > >> >> ego isn't going to reset the bone > >> > > >> >How do you know? > >> > >> When you break a leg, can you just believe the pieces into moving > >> around to the right position > > > >yes, of course. Do you doubt and limit the healing power of 'reiki'? > >(assuming of course that the same healing power is employed by everyone > >regardless of the name we attach to it.) > > You know I'm going to have to ask you for your sources, don't you? > I'll need evidence of this having happened. :-) Of course you need sources and evidence. This is an indication of your doubt in the healing energies. The thing about evidence and sources for these kinds of events is that people that believe in the healing energies don't go to doctors for help and consequently don't get documented. The other thing is that these same people don't need or want to hear someone else's "reality" of the condition or situation. It is enough to know their own and trust it. Testing and statistics are for people with a consensual reality. They seem to need a consensus in order to hold an opinion or act on a belief. It isn't for people who could care less what the majority of people believe in because it does not affect the least little bit the results brought forth by participating in your own "knowing". >As for Reiki, I know > what it's done for me and for others in the past, and feel certain it > will be found useful in other situations in the future. I don't feel a > need to say "halleluja, brother, I believe!" because experience shows > that Reiki doesn't need my belief in order to be effective. It is obvious that the word 'belief' conjures up religious overtones to you. But, it is not religious. People believe in all sorts of things all day long. People believe in things and then act out of their beliefs. i think what a person believes in and participates in creates ones reality. . . .what one lends their power to. You participate in a thing called reiki. You think(omitting the word believe) that when you practice reiki, the outcome will be beneficial. You practice reiki to aid or change a situation. You are confident (omitting the word believe) that reiki will be beneficial. In order to change things in my life that were outside of my reality . . .required of me to change my beliefs about reality. i went to public schools like most of us did and was indoctrinated as well as anyone. Changing these beliefs of what "reality" is, is not an easy task as a person is bombarded with what 'reality' is from the day one is born until the day s/he dies. As children, we are not taught as to our inherent power to create reality. > >> or does someone actually have to pick > >> them up and move them to the right position first? I go with having > >> someone moving them to the right position, and *then* using one's > >> innate healing abilities to speed the reknitting of the bone. This > >> seems to take the least amount of time. YMMV :-) > > > > bones seem to be the popular example around here. Actually,according to the > >people that participate here, *after* one goes to the doctor seems the be at > >the top of the list for what reiki can help. > > Bones are popular because we like to pick bones, perhaps? ;-) > > And actually, we recommend Reiki before, after, and during seeing the > doctor. And there are even situations where doctors might not > be needed or wanted. ironically, it appears the unemployment rate of reiki is highest amongst it's practitioners. > >> Why does it bother you to think that someone can help facilitate your > >> healing? > >> >>and put on the cast, you have to go > >> >> to the doctor for that. > > > >When a person deals with their own illness there is a responsibility for how > >one got there to begin with. Things are learned that are missed otherwise. > > I see, and asking for help is shirking their responsibility? I don't > think so! It isn't so much shirking responsibility as denying one the benefit of the healing process. As one takes on their own healing (an intention) one becomes aware of things that got them here to begin with, that are ignored when one puts themselves in someone else's care. These things are usually unbeneficial thoughts and beliefs that lead to unbeneficial situations and circumstances. . . .things one may want to correct as not to create even more havoc in ones life. i saw a commercial on TV promoting a certain drug. The theme of the commercial was " it's not your fault". In other words, you are a victim, you are not responsible for this. Nothing could be further from the truth. Drug companies want to sell drugs and realize that if people don't take responsibility for their own illness, then there is no point in taking responsibility for ones own healing. They are very good at creating 'reality'. . .. . but equally as powerful is how quickly people jump at the chance to avoid creating something better for themselves. They would rather cry "impossible" or "i need proof" or get angry for even bringing up the possibility. >I would call asking to have a broken bone set and put into > a cast taking responsibility for their healing, at least the physical > aspects of it. you separate aspects of your reality. you compartmentalize these things in your beliefs. They may not be as separate and unaware of each other as you believe them to be. > As for why they have a broken leg in the first place, > they can think about that whether they go to a doctor or not. what is learned in the case of a child who's parents finally refuse to buy him/her another car after the kid keeps wrecking it ? Does the child think much about it when mom or dad rushes out to buy a new one?. . .. when someone else fixes the problem for them? The problem remains.. . .even after the new car is purchanced. . . .or the broken leg or any illness given to the care of another. Things are missed in the process. Can you see this? > So why > do you urge the inhumane choice upon them? Why is ignorance "humane"? > >Why does it bother you to believe the healing force is there for you to > >employ? Speed of healing really isn't the issue. . . . profound healing is. > > You like to put words in my mouth, don't you? i have this erg to feed you after all the bones you pick:) >Would I be practicing > Reiki and participating in AHR if I didn't believe the healing force > was there to employ? Thank you, i'll take this as an admission of belief. .. . ."hallelujah, brother, welcome!:) > And BTW, I wouldn't call having a crooked bone from lack of having it > set properly before allowing it to heal "profound healing." nor would i. . . . .so, best to believe that only the most beneficial things happen and save yourself the trouble of having it set crooked, no? >but maybe > you would. Guess we need to define what is meant by healing? Yes. You first. > >> >may not need one after the ego is delt with. > >> > >> How so? Example, please? > > > > Garry, i thought you believed things always worked out for the best! > > Believing things work out for the best does not absolve us of taking > responsibility for our own healing, as you yourself have noted. Nothing can possibly absolve us from this. Garry, the work is done within. . This * is* our responsibility. Then stand back (out of your own way) and watch wonders unfold. > >Healing may not be what you believe it to be. When the cause of disease is > >being delt with, holistically, things simply begin to fall into place.. .. > >healing occures. Just as when one faithfully takes up the 5 precepts of > >reiki, healing begins to occur from the inside out as all healing does. > >When i was diagnosed with degenerative spinal condition i began to correct > >the internal cause of the external manifestation and it immediately began to > >heal. Part of the reason it began to heal was because* i * took > >responsibility for the healing process. . and didn't let the doctors do a > >spinal fusion. As you know, things respond to intention. > > And I have no problem with understanding or believing this. However, > if you told me that your spine had been cut clean in two and the ends > twisted in opposite directions, and you told the doctors to stand back > while you took responsibility for your own healing and simply > "believed" the two pieces back into place, I would have to call your > bluff. :-) noted, "don't try to bluff garry about severed spines". > >> Do you mean what I mean by the words "find a way to live with the > >> condition"? I am talking about success. You are talking about failure. > > > >No, i am talking about the statement you made above,"it's never going to go > >away completely". > > So you can believe a change in your genetic structure? And have that > belief spread to the folks down at the gene testing lab? i don't have a need to test the healing power in order to believe in its omnipotence. It is you that cannot believe it into existence. It's like establishing credit, it's hard to get it unless you've got it. love is... > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3FDC0361.91743094@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDB3709.16BF1AA8@shaw.ca> <3fdba7c4.715289@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:32:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1071383538 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:32:18 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:32:18 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11815 His message is extremely powerful, eh? Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > You've hit the nail on the head, Rich, nail on the head! Oh, wait. > Those were in the hands and feet. My bust! ;-) > > Garry > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:00:19 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >What you are saying, Garry, is what I have been trying to wrestle with > >for some time now. I feel that 2000 yrs ago another wise person 'pointed > >to the moon' and gave us the precept of 'love yourselves and each > >other'. We seem to have gotten that one screwed up by paying homage to > >the finger and forgetting the 'pointed to' (the precept). > >Many folks have even said that the way to 'salvation' is to, 'accept the > >finger as one's personal savior', when it should be to accept and live > >the precepts. (hey, I warned you that I might be irreverent!) > >Now, examining the Reiki precepts (or whomever originated them) might be > >more of an 'in your face exercise' and require more personal > >introspection than "Heal!" (and examining that), don't you think? > >cheers > >Rich ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDB3709.16BF1AA8@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:45:48 +0200 Lines: 117 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-26-212.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3fdc07d9.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 14 Dec 2003 08:48:57 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-26-212.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-26-212.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11818 > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:02:42 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > > > > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca... > > > > > confusion> > > > > >> It seems that if we already have this inherent healing > > >> capacity, then what did Usui discover that was so brilliant or > > >> different? a > > >> [snip ...] > > > > > >He gave the world his own unique expression of > > >a healing methodology. > > > [ snip ..] > > *Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of > > the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail > > on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the > > enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. A point well made but what we are struggling with here is the inherent "divisive" nature of language. It always focuses on one thing or another and can never express a thing in its totality. Did Usui not use the hand-healing part for the sick people living then? Did he not advance his system as a means of enlightenment as you point out? He did. Both are aspects of one and the same thing. In the east the things you do are never an end in themselves. Archery is not about getting proficient in hitting the bulls-eye. The tea ceremony is not about socialising while having some refreshments. Meditation is not about relaxing one's body and mind and to release stress. I think this is understood in the East to such a degree that it does not even warrant a mention while we in the West need to remind ourselves constantly. However, it has been pointed out that this difference may also be the reason why the East is generally underdeveloped in technological and economic terms and great efforts are made to incorporate Western style thinking. And so, East goes West and West goes East to get the best from the other side. Let us hope that we have the wisdom to distinguish the best from the worst which may often look more attractive in the short term. > > Yet we think we'll heal ourselves and become better healing > > facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts > > and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most > > cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of > > healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and > > live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake > > up", if only we'll pay attention. Great rant about getting ensnared in technique, etc. But is the recitation of the principles not just another technique, another symbol or symbolic expression? If they, or any other technique does not work, then should we not move on to something else? What's the point of continuing something which does not yeld a result? Would understanding help in this case? Would living them help, and how do I live them? Why would I want to live them to begin with, when they fail me? After sowing all this doubt, I must say that you make an excellent point, namely about persistence. I will quote from Zen Master Hsu Yun (1840-1958+). He writes on: *Adoption of the method of training* "After one has developed a firm faith, one should choose a Dharma door (to enlightenment) for one's training. One should never change it, and when one's choices has been made, either for repetition of the Buddha's name, of for holding a mantra, or for Ch'an training, one should stick to it forever without backsliding and regret. If today the method does not prove successful, tomorrow it shall be continued; if this year it does not prove successful, next year it shall be continued; and if in the present lifetime it does not prove sucessful, it shall be continued in the next life." I think we can now answer the foregoing questions. If the technique does not work, you continue with it because a result is just the evaluation of the unenlightened mind. To understand the principles is just an attempt to pacify this mind and you live them in your failures, through the failures. Given enough time, and apparently even as few as three lifetimes of dilligent practice can be enough, "there is no reason why it will not be successful" and "we can surely expect to attain the Buddha-stage." Hsu Yun then quotes another master, Yung Chia: "If I utter deceitful words to cheat living beings, I shall be prepared to fall into the tongue-snatching hell for aeons as numberless as atoms." Whom are you going to belief now? The masters of the past or your own mind? If it is the latter, where has it gotten you to? What have you achieved? "Two thirds of our days are already over, And we have not practiced clarifying who we are. We waste our days in chasing satisfaction, So that even when called, we refuse to turn around. How regrettable." [Xuedou] -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:36:19 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDB3709.16BF1AA8@shaw.ca> <3fdba7c4.715289@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDC0361.91743094@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <3FDC0361.91743094@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.227.243 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.227.243 Message-ID: <3fdc12e9_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1071387369 62.203.227.243 (14 Dec 2003 08:36:09 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 34 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11821 yes and we put it in whatever sauce to make it edible to the mob.. unfortunately Theo Rich wrote: > His message is extremely powerful, eh? > Rich > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > >>You've hit the nail on the head, Rich, nail on the head! Oh, wait. >>Those were in the hands and feet. My bust! ;-) >> >>Garry >> >>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:00:19 GMT, Rich wrote: >> >> >>>What you are saying, Garry, is what I have been trying to wrestle with >>>for some time now. I feel that 2000 yrs ago another wise person 'pointed >>>to the moon' and gave us the precept of 'love yourselves and each >>>other'. We seem to have gotten that one screwed up by paying homage to >>>the finger and forgetting the 'pointed to' (the precept). >>>Many folks have even said that the way to 'salvation' is to, 'accept the >>>finger as one's personal savior', when it should be to accept and live >>>the precepts. (hey, I warned you that I might be irreverent!) >>>Now, examining the Reiki precepts (or whomever originated them) might be >>>more of an 'in your face exercise' and require more personal >>>introspection than "Heal!" (and examining that), don't you think? >>>cheers >>>Rich ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3fdc5a6c.1098514@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> <3FDB3709.16BF1AA8@shaw.ca> <3fdc07d9.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:44:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1071405862 207.69.0.244 (Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:44:22 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:44:22 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11823 Nicely said, Peter. On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:45:48 +0200, "pr" wrote: >I will quote from Zen Master Hsu Yun (1840-1958+). >He writes on: *Adoption of the method of training* >Given enough time, and apparently even as few as >three lifetimes of dilligent practice can be enough, >"there is no reason why it will not be successful" >and "we can surely expect to attain the Buddha-stage." And who knows? Maybe *this* one is the "3's a charm" lifetime. Or maybe you can even make it into the Guinness Book of Records by doing it in two or even one! Now there's some motivation for you. Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:22:05 GMT Lines: 48 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11870 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nadie Niemand" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki > *Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of > the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail > on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the > enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. Oh, sure, we are all very > quick to recite the "Just for todays", but how often do we recite, > much less think about, the first and last part of Usui's words that > are written on his memorial? To wit: > > "The secret method of inviting happiness, > The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." > > Usui tells us right then and there that the very bedrock of what he is > talking about is putting into practice the precepts> Yet we think we'll heal ourselves and become better healing > facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts > and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most > cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of > healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and > live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake > up", if only we'll pay attention. > > YMMV, of course. :-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry > i will say that what you have written above is the most powerful thing i have read here in a while. i agree that the precepts are the bedrock of the teachings. They seem so simple and unable to effect much of anything but i practice similar simple directives in my life. They are easily said but when one's focus is to place them into action. . . .one runs headlong into the reasons happiness evades them. They imbody the trust in the universe to provide and a way to live that show a love and respect of ones own life. love is . . . ###### Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:30:56 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Injuries and Reiki References: <3fcc8ba6.3022211@news.west.earthlink.net> <2o9zb.2620$t87.1873@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <027609f5782965479a7cb2d6f9713ca7@news.teranews.com> <3fcd6891.1928917@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcda5c3$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3fcdd993.1040464@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fcf2565.951395@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd07703.1758602@news.west.earthlink.net> <849578472fd2c19e6e3394f088aa2183@news.teranews.com> <3fd46c4d.7343097@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd7d363.2467179@news.west.earthlink.net> <3fd93d44.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3FDA6335.BE5C2750@shaw.ca> <3fdaaa1d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3fdb06da.1437701@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.88.44 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.88.44 Message-ID: <3fde19ed$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1071520237 213.3.88.44 (15 Dec 2003 21:30:37 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 55 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:11881 HI I ma just following again a TV about healing well the Mz frequnecy of the brain when in the healing mode is 45 MZ this state is obtained by deep meditation .. but some people can reach thats state very easily and heal .. teh example was one person, the healer with electrods on his skull that reduced the body temp of a recipient of 2 degrees un a very short time..( I do not remember how long ) Theo >>*Or* both of you are missing Usui's point and the hand-healing part of >>the system isn't the raison d'etre, but rather merely the fingernail >>on the "finger pointing at the moon". The "moon" being the >>enlightening practice of the Reiki Precepts. Oh, sure, we are all very >>quick to recite the "Just for todays", but how often do we recite, >>much less think about, the first and last part of Usui's words that >>are written on his memorial? To wit: >> >>"The secret method of inviting happiness, >> The wonderful medicine for all diseases..." >> >>Usui tells us right then and there that the very bedrock of what he is >>talking about is putting into practice the precepts> Yet we think we'll > > heal ourselves and become better healing > >>facilitators for others by simply paying lip service to the precepts >>and focusing on the next, great technique, the latest symbol, the most >>cutting edge system. Folks, we're missing the point! There's a ton of >>healing in the principles, if only we will bother to understand and >>live them. Specifically, they are instructions to help us to "wake >>up", if only we'll pay attention. >> >>YMMV, of course. :-) >> >>Love and Light, >> >>Garry >> > > i will say that what you have written above is the most powerful thing i > have read here in a while. i agree that the precepts are the bedrock of the > teachings. They seem so simple and unable to effect much of anything but i > practice similar simple directives in my life. They are easily said but when > one's focus is to place them into action. . . .one runs headlong into the > reasons happiness evades them. They imbody the trust in the universe to > provide and a way to live that show a love and respect of ones own life. > > love is . . . > >