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This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God cures over
1000 people a day. He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers. I have seen hundreds
miracles a day. People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.

Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania, in  a
place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since Jesus
Christ.

I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get to
Abadiania and get healed.

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek

######

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JohnSmith wrote:

> This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God cures over
> 1000 people a day.
   he is a speeeeeedy Gonzales of medecine..
  1000 a day never one more  nor one lesss

  I opve round figurs
  1000 is plumpy roundlet .. satisfactory

   well if he sleeps 5 hours per day does not make siesta  nor eat prey 
drink  and  satisfy the natural calls of nature  say 2 hours per day
  makes  24-(5+2) 17 hours  x 60 minutes per hour 1042 minutes divided 
by1000  people  makes  1 minute per person..
  does he put them  in a row and pass by  with a car at which MPH?

  >He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers.
  but not idiots   apparently
> I have seen hundreds
> miracles a day. 
  how wonderful ! but you missed to be cired !
<People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
  impotent  having erections  without viagra
> 
   Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania, in  a
> place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since Jesus
> Christ.

if you say so it must be true!

> I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get to
> Abadiania and get healed.
  why don't you send  your  money to  reserach  for  cancer or aids of 
for helping kids, it should be better
  use  than  wasting it in a silly site
but it is your money an aynway you wont bring it with you into paradise..

  MarcelDupont

> http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek

######

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"Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
news:3f9818da_1@news.bluewin.ch...

There is more to life than number crunching.
There is more to healing than curing people's diseases.
People are self-healing organisms.
Some only need a trigger to set this process into
motion and this trigger does not necessarily have
to be individual and tailored to the person.
If we say that healing needs an individual touch
of whatever sort, we will never have any impact
of significance on the big picture. Are you
content to fiddle happily while Rome burns?
Maybe this guy achieves more in day than we
do in year of reiki sessions?

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"


>
> JohnSmith wrote:
>
> > This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God cures
over
> > 1000 people a day.
>    he is a speeeeeedy Gonzales of medecine..
>   1000 a day never one more  nor one lesss
>
>   I opve round figurs
>   1000 is plumpy roundlet .. satisfactory
>
>    well if he sleeps 5 hours per day does not make siesta  nor eat prey
> drink  and  satisfy the natural calls of nature  say 2 hours per day
>   makes  24-(5+2) 17 hours  x 60 minutes per hour 1042 minutes divided
> by1000  people  makes  1 minute per person..
>   does he put them  in a row and pass by  with a car at which MPH?
>
>   >He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers.
>   but not idiots   apparently
> > I have seen hundreds
> > miracles a day.
>   how wonderful ! but you missed to be cired !
> <People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
>   impotent  having erections  without viagra
> >
>    Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania, in
a
> > place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since
Jesus
> > Christ.
>
> if you say so it must be true!
>
> > I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get to
> > Abadiania and get healed.
>   why don't you send  your  money to  reserach  for  cancer or aids of
> for helping kids, it should be better
>   use  than  wasting it in a silly site
> but it is your money an aynway you wont bring it with you into paradise..
>
>   MarcelDupont
>
> > http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek
>

######

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pr wrote:

> "Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> news:3f9818da_1@news.bluewin.ch...
>
> There is more to life than number crunching.
> There is more to healing than curing people's diseases.
> People are self-healing organisms.
> Some only need a trigger to set this process into
> motion and this trigger does not necessarily have
> to be individual and tailored to the person.
> If we say that healing needs an individual touch
> of whatever sort, we will never have any impact
> of significance on the big picture. Are you
> content to fiddle happily while Rome burns?
> Maybe this guy achieves more in day than we
> do in year of reiki sessions?

 I agree that there are many psycosomatic healing but them are not *at once*
and  cancer takes
days and AIDS  needs death to be erased.. so please   thereis a limit to
understanding  and to be
too much  broad open makes us look idiot
 and  giving false  hope to the misery of thousands is just the opposite of
Reiki spirit in my opinion

 juts my 2 cents
¨Theo

>
>
> --
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
>
> >
> > JohnSmith wrote:
> >
> > > This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God cures
> over
> > > 1000 people a day.
> >    he is a speeeeeedy Gonzales of medecine..
> >   1000 a day never one more  nor one lesss
> >
> >   I opve round figurs
> >   1000 is plumpy roundlet .. satisfactory
> >
> >    well if he sleeps 5 hours per day does not make siesta  nor eat prey
> > drink  and  satisfy the natural calls of nature  say 2 hours per day
> >   makes  24-(5+2) 17 hours  x 60 minutes per hour 1042 minutes divided
> > by1000  people  makes  1 minute per person..
> >   does he put them  in a row and pass by  with a car at which MPH?
> >
> >   >He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers.
> >   but not idiots   apparently
> > > I have seen hundreds
> > > miracles a day.
> >   how wonderful ! but you missed to be cired !
> > <People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
> >   impotent  having erections  without viagra
> > >
> >    Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania, in
> a
> > > place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since
> Jesus
> > > Christ.
> >
> > if you say so it must be true!
> >
> > > I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get to
> > > Abadiania and get healed.
> >   why don't you send  your  money to  reserach  for  cancer or aids of
> > for helping kids, it should be better
> >   use  than  wasting it in a silly site
> > but it is your money an aynway you wont bring it with you into paradise..
> >
> >   MarcelDupont
> >
> > > http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek
> >

######

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"Theo" <Byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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>
>
> pr wrote:
>
> > "Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> > news:3f9818da_1@news.bluewin.ch...
> >
> > There is more to life than number crunching.
> > There is more to healing than curing people's diseases.
> > People are self-healing organisms.
> > Some only need a trigger to set this process into
> > motion and this trigger does not necessarily have
> > to be individual and tailored to the person.
> > If we say that healing needs an individual touch
> > of whatever sort, we will never have any impact
> > of significance on the big picture. Are you
> > content to fiddle happily while Rome burns?
> > Maybe this guy achieves more in day than we
> > do in year of reiki sessions?
>
>  I agree that there are many psycosomatic healing but them are not *at
once*
> and  cancer takes
> days and AIDS  needs death to be erased..

Theo, this isn't nessesarily true. You are confirming misconceptions, yes
some things take more time but believing in radical healing does not make
you look like and idiot. . . .sometimes it is the only hope one has.

> so please   thereis a limit to
> understanding  and to be
> too much  broad open makes us look idiot
>  and  giving false  hope to the misery of thousands is just the opposite
of
> Reiki spirit in my opinion
>
>  juts my 2 cents
> ¨Theo
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Namu Amida Butsu
> > Peter Reber
> > "Life knows its needs"
> >
> > >
> > > JohnSmith wrote:
> > >
> > > > This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God
cures
> > over
> > > > 1000 people a day.
> > >    he is a speeeeeedy Gonzales of medecine..
> > >   1000 a day never one more  nor one lesss
> > >
> > >   I opve round figurs
> > >   1000 is plumpy roundlet .. satisfactory
> > >
> > >    well if he sleeps 5 hours per day does not make siesta  nor eat
prey
> > > drink  and  satisfy the natural calls of nature  say 2 hours per day
> > >   makes  24-(5+2) 17 hours  x 60 minutes per hour 1042 minutes divided
> > > by1000  people  makes  1 minute per person..
> > >   does he put them  in a row and pass by  with a car at which MPH?
> > >
> > >   >He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers.
> > >   but not idiots   apparently
> > > > I have seen hundreds
> > > > miracles a day.
> > >   how wonderful ! but you missed to be cired !
> > > <People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
> > >   impotent  having erections  without viagra
> > > >
> > >    Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania,
in
> > a
> > > > place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since
> > Jesus
> > > > Christ.
> > >
> > > if you say so it must be true!
> > >
> > > > I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get
to
> > > > Abadiania and get healed.
> > >   why don't you send  your  money to  reserach  for  cancer or aids of
> > > for helping kids, it should be better
> > >   use  than  wasting it in a silly site
> > > but it is your money an aynway you wont bring it with you into
paradise..
> > >
> > >   MarcelDupont
> > >
> > > > http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek
> > >
>

######

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arthealer wrote:

  HI

> Theo, this isn't nessesarily true. You are confirming misconceptions, yes
> some things take more time but believing in radical healing does not make
> you look like and idiot. . . .sometimes it is the only hope one has.
  1000 per day?
  I am more ready to believe to aliens crush  at Roswell the galactic 
conspiracy to  steal our planet and that  Bin Laden is  the hidden twin 
  of Dubbya Bush
  Theo

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Theo wrote:
> 
> arthealer wrote:
> 
>   HI
> 
> > Theo, this isn't nessesarily true. You are confirming misconceptions, yes
> > some things take more time but believing in radical healing does not make
> > you look like and idiot. . . .sometimes it is the only hope one has.
>   1000 per day?
>   I am more ready to believe to aliens crush  at Roswell the galactic
> conspiracy to  steal our planet and that  Bin Laden is  the hidden twin
>   of Dubbya Bush
>   Theo

You've been reading the National Enquirer again, haven't you, Theo? <g>

sue

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"Theo" <Byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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>
>
> pr wrote:
>
> > "Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> > news:3f9818da_1@news.bluewin.ch...
> >
> > There is more to life than number crunching.
> > There is more to healing than curing people's diseases.
> > People are self-healing organisms.
> > Some only need a trigger to set this process into
> > motion and this trigger does not necessarily have
> > to be individual and tailored to the person.
> > If we say that healing needs an individual touch
> > of whatever sort, we will never have any impact
> > of significance on the big picture. Are you
> > content to fiddle happily while Rome burns?
> > Maybe this guy achieves more in day than we
> > do in year of reiki sessions?
>
>  I agree that there are many psycosomatic healing but them are not *at
once*
> and  cancer takes
> days and AIDS  needs death to be erased.. so please   thereis a limit to
> understanding

A limit to understanding is why there is a limit to curing.
There is no limit to acceptance and that is why there is
no limit to healing.
This is a very simplistic explanation but note the huge
distinction between curing and healing, a distinction
which western medicine has largely collapsed.

> too much  broad open makes us look idiot

too narrow achieves that too.

>  and  giving false  hope to the misery of thousands is just the opposite
of
> Reiki spirit in my opinion

I would be very surprised if guarantees were give. Just as
we claim that it is not us who heals but the  reiki energy
he will most likely claim that it is God who does it in
his case. How can you guard against people creating their
own unrealistic hopes? And who are we to crush them,
claiming that they are false hopes?

You might also consider that 1000 figure may not
necessarily be a mathematical one. Indian culture
for example, adds 000 (three zero's) to indicate
a large(r) number. The digits before the zero have their
own metaphysical meaning.
1,000 would be a large number of "something"
1,000,000 would be an even larger number
1,000,000,000 might mean an uncountable number
In no case does the figure represent an exact numerical
equivalent.


In English we have a similar device but working with
words, when we say e.g. "There were hundred's of ..."
or "thousand's" maybe even "tens of thousand's".

Do you think that when the Buddha says that there
are 84,000 ways of liberation that he actually counted
them and arrived at exactly 84,000?
Or when he states that there are 72,000 discreet
thought elements per second which make up our
day-to-day consciousness that he was able to
count them?
Is one kalpa (the life span of a universe or one day
of Brahma) really exactly 4,320,000,000 earth years long?


My 1,000,000,000,000 cents

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"


>
>  juts my 2 cents
> ¨Theo
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Namu Amida Butsu
> > Peter Reber
> > "Life knows its needs"
> >
> > >
> > > JohnSmith wrote:
> > >
> > > > This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God
cures
> > over
> > > > 1000 people a day.
> > >    he is a speeeeeedy Gonzales of medecine..
> > >   1000 a day never one more  nor one lesss
> > >
> > >   I opve round figurs
> > >   1000 is plumpy roundlet .. satisfactory
> > >
> > >    well if he sleeps 5 hours per day does not make siesta  nor eat
prey
> > > drink  and  satisfy the natural calls of nature  say 2 hours per day
> > >   makes  24-(5+2) 17 hours  x 60 minutes per hour 1042 minutes divided
> > > by1000  people  makes  1 minute per person..
> > >   does he put them  in a row and pass by  with a car at which MPH?
> > >
> > >   >He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers.
> > >   but not idiots   apparently
> > > > I have seen hundreds
> > > > miracles a day.
> > >   how wonderful ! but you missed to be cired !
> > > <People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
> > >   impotent  having erections  without viagra
> > > >
> > >    Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania,
in
> > a
> > > > place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since
> > Jesus
> > > > Christ.
> > >
> > > if you say so it must be true!
> > >
> > > > I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get
to
> > > > Abadiania and get healed.
> > >   why don't you send  your  money to  reserach  for  cancer or aids of
> > > for helping kids, it should be better
> > >   use  than  wasting it in a silly site
> > > but it is your money an aynway you wont bring it with you into
paradise..
> > >
> > >   MarcelDupont
> > >
> > > > http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek
> > >
>

######

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(snickers out loud with flashbacks of living in a Zen temple and practicing
Koans)

I doubt Prince Guatama Siddharta's mathematical skills were that adept... we
probably would have had calculus long before Archimedes.

-- 
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"pr" <shin@netactive.co.za> wrote in message
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(snip)
> Do you think that when the Buddha says that there
> are 84,000 ways of liberation that he actually counted
> them and arrived at exactly 84,000?
> Or when he states that there are 72,000 discreet
> thought elements per second which make up our
> day-to-day consciousness that he was able to
> count them?
> Is one kalpa (the life span of a universe or one day
> of Brahma) really exactly 4,320,000,000 earth years long?
>
>
> My 1,000,000,000,000 cents
>
> --
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"

######

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HI Sue. no I did not why? :-)
Theo

suzee wrote:


>>  1000 per day?
>>  I am more ready to believe to aliens crush  at Roswell the galactic
>>conspiracy to  steal our planet and that  Bin Laden is  the hidden twin
>>  of Dubbya Bush
>>  Theo
> 
> 
> You've been reading the National Enquirer again, haven't you, Theo? <g>
> 
> sue

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  HI Peter
  I know all what you talked about
  but my stomach is throwing up with rage when I read such idiocies  and 
denying them is not  a synonimus of  possible narrow mind is just 
common sense.. sometimes in these fields we become visionary and loose 
the  limits of reality
when is too much it is too much!
100 10  1k per day are  the same  idiocies!
  Theo



pr wrote:

> "Theo" <Byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> news:3F98E795.5C7DD4AB@bluewin.ch...
> 
>>
>>pr wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
>>>news:3f9818da_1@news.bluewin.ch...
>>>
>>>There is more to life than number crunching.
>>>There is more to healing than curing people's diseases.
>>>People are self-healing organisms.
>>>Some only need a trigger to set this process into
>>>motion and this trigger does not necessarily have
>>>to be individual and tailored to the person.
>>>If we say that healing needs an individual touch
>>>of whatever sort, we will never have any impact
>>>of significance on the big picture. Are you
>>>content to fiddle happily while Rome burns?
>>>Maybe this guy achieves more in day than we
>>>do in year of reiki sessions?
>>
>> I agree that there are many psycosomatic healing but them are not *at
> 
> once*
> 
>>and  cancer takes
>>days and AIDS  needs death to be erased.. so please   thereis a limit to
>>understanding
> 
> 
> A limit to understanding is why there is a limit to curing.
> There is no limit to acceptance and that is why there is
> no limit to healing.
> This is a very simplistic explanation but note the huge
> distinction between curing and healing, a distinction
> which western medicine has largely collapsed.
> 
> 
>>too much  broad open makes us look idiot
> 
> 
> too narrow achieves that too.
> 
> 
>> and  giving false  hope to the misery of thousands is just the opposite
> 
> of
> 
>>Reiki spirit in my opinion
> 
> 
> I would be very surprised if guarantees were give. Just as
> we claim that it is not us who heals but the  reiki energy
> he will most likely claim that it is God who does it in
> his case. How can you guard against people creating their
> own unrealistic hopes? And who are we to crush them,
> claiming that they are false hopes?
> 
> You might also consider that 1000 figure may not
> necessarily be a mathematical one. Indian culture
> for example, adds 000 (three zero's) to indicate
> a large(r) number. The digits before the zero have their
> own metaphysical meaning.
> 1,000 would be a large number of "something"
> 1,000,000 would be an even larger number
> 1,000,000,000 might mean an uncountable number
> In no case does the figure represent an exact numerical
> equivalent.
> 
> 
> In English we have a similar device but working with
> words, when we say e.g. "There were hundred's of ..."
> or "thousand's" maybe even "tens of thousand's".
> 
> Do you think that when the Buddha says that there
> are 84,000 ways of liberation that he actually counted
> them and arrived at exactly 84,000?
> Or when he states that there are 72,000 discreet
> thought elements per second which make up our
> day-to-day consciousness that he was able to
> count them?
> Is one kalpa (the life span of a universe or one day
> of Brahma) really exactly 4,320,000,000 earth years long?
> 
> 
> My 1,000,000,000,000 cents
> 
> --
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
> 
> 
> 
>> juts my 2 cents
>>¨Theo
>>
>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Namu Amida Butsu
>>>Peter Reber
>>>"Life knows its needs"
>>>
>>>
>>>>JohnSmith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God
> 
> cures
> 
>>>over
>>>
>>>>>1000 people a day.
>>>>
>>>>   he is a speeeeeedy Gonzales of medecine..
>>>>  1000 a day never one more  nor one lesss
>>>>
>>>>  I opve round figurs
>>>>  1000 is plumpy roundlet .. satisfactory
>>>>
>>>>   well if he sleeps 5 hours per day does not make siesta  nor eat
> 
> prey
> 
>>>>drink  and  satisfy the natural calls of nature  say 2 hours per day
>>>>  makes  24-(5+2) 17 hours  x 60 minutes per hour 1042 minutes divided
>>>>by1000  people  makes  1 minute per person..
>>>>  does he put them  in a row and pass by  with a car at which MPH?
>>>>
>>>>  >He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers.
>>>>  but not idiots   apparently
>>>>
>>>>>I have seen hundreds
>>>>>miracles a day.
>>>>
>>>>  how wonderful ! but you missed to be cired !
>>>><People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
>>>>  impotent  having erections  without viagra
>>>>
>>>>   Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania,
> 
> in
> 
>>>a
>>>
>>>>>place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since
>>>
>>>Jesus
>>>
>>>>>Christ.
>>>>
>>>>if you say so it must be true!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get
> 
> to
> 
>>>>>Abadiania and get healed.
>>>>
>>>>  why don't you send  your  money to  reserach  for  cancer or aids of
>>>>for helping kids, it should be better
>>>>  use  than  wasting it in a silly site
>>>>but it is your money an aynway you wont bring it with you into
> 
> paradise..
> 
>>>>  MarcelDupont
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek
>>>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Theo wrote:
> 
> HI Sue. no I did not why? :-)
> Theo

'Twas a joke... That's a tabloid newspaper that features stories like
aliens crashing and Osama being the hidden twin of Bush Jr. And so
forth.

sue

> suzee wrote:
> 
> >>  1000 per day?
> >>  I am more ready to believe to aliens crush  at Roswell the galactic
> >>conspiracy to  steal our planet and that  Bin Laden is  the hidden twin
> >>  of Dubbya Bush
> >>  Theo
> >
> >
> > You've been reading the National Enquirer again, haven't you, Theo? <g>
> >
> > sue

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Theo wrote:
> 
>   HI Peter
>   I know all what you talked about
>   but my stomach is throwing up with rage when I read such idiocies  and
> denying them is not  a synonimus of  possible narrow mind is just
> common sense.. sometimes in these fields we become visionary and loose
> the  limits of reality
> when is too much it is too much!
> 100 10  1k per day are  the same  idiocies!
>   Theo

Maybe you need to ask *why* you have such a strong reaction to this man
and those who claim heling through him? As I posted before, I know of
three people from the I used to live in who went to visit him, one at
least a couple times. They experienced some type of healing from their
visits, even if not a complete disappearance of their illnesses. Isn't
that what we claim for reiki, as well? Look within yourself, Theo, and
find what it is that makes you less than open minded on this subject. :)
<hugs>

sue

######

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:12:11 +0200, Theo <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote:

>  HI Peter
>  I know all what you talked about
>  but my stomach is throwing up with rage when I read such idiocies  and 
>denying them is not  a synonimus of  possible narrow mind is just 
>common sense.. sometimes in these fields we become visionary and loose 
>the  limits of reality
>when is too much it is too much!
>100 10  1k per day are  the same  idiocies!
>  Theo

Theo, a thought, if you don't mind. Sight unseen, I don't know
anything one way or the other about this fellow, and have no opinion
as to his effectiveness, but that said, can you not send Reiki to more
than one person at the same time? I belong to several groups that do
group healings, or even healing the whole planet. If we can work on
the whole planet at one time, why can't this man work with 1000 at a
time? You are thinking, I believe, in terms of hands-on, one-on-one
sorts of treatments when you are reckoning up the minutes in a day.
You can put a list of names together on a piece of paper, fold it up
and hold it between your hands, giving Reiki to the paper with the
intent that it flow to all the people named on the list. Or you can
imagine the whole earth between your hands and send Reiki to everyone,
everywhere at once.

You are as limited as you want to be.

Love and Light,

Garry

######

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Nadie Niemand wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:12:11 +0200, Theo <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> 
> >  HI Peter
> >  I know all what you talked about
> >  but my stomach is throwing up with rage when I read such idiocies  and
> >denying them is not  a synonimus of  possible narrow mind is just
> >common sense.. sometimes in these fields we become visionary and loose
> >the  limits of reality
> >when is too much it is too much!
> >100 10  1k per day are  the same  idiocies!
> >  Theo
> 
> Theo, a thought, if you don't mind. Sight unseen, I don't know
> anything one way or the other about this fellow, and have no opinion
> as to his effectiveness, but that said, can you not send Reiki to more
> than one person at the same time? I belong to several groups that do
> group healings, or even healing the whole planet. If we can work on
> the whole planet at one time, why can't this man work with 1000 at a
> time? You are thinking, I believe, in terms of hands-on, one-on-one
> sorts of treatments when you are reckoning up the minutes in a day.
> You can put a list of names together on a piece of paper, fold it up
> and hold it between your hands, giving Reiki to the paper with the
> intent that it flow to all the people named on the list. Or you can
> imagine the whole earth between your hands and send Reiki to everyone,
> everywhere at once.
> 
> You are as limited as you want to be.
> 
> Love and Light,
> 
> Garry

Yes. He might just go into a meditation and `pray'... send healing... to
all those who've come to visit or have contacted him. From talking to a
friend who's been to Brazil, there *is* only limited contact with him,
those who visit spend much time in meditation themselves and he has
assistants who handle the actual one on one contact with visitors. Also,
they spend one to several weeks at the clinic before going home again.

sue

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suzee wrote:

> Theo wrote:
> 
>>HI Sue. no I did not why? :-)
>>Theo
> 
> 
> 'Twas a joke... That's a tabloid newspaper that features stories like
> aliens crashing and Osama being the hidden twin of Bush Jr. And so
> forth.
  HI  Sue I see yes they make far more sense to me that this  john of 
God story .. it is really  having joke of poor people's misery
  Theo

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Hi Sue
  to get ill takes sometimes..  even  for a cold  and it takes sometimes 
to    reverse the desease,, nothing disappears at once  I followed one 
case with a person  that had Parkinson or Anzhaimer   at last stage
  he was passing on TV few montsh ago he is teh last *miraculate *  his 
  personal doctors and the doctors  that checked him as well.. the man 
is a french man and is about 70 he was in theh last stage ..
  he was at Lourdes . and he did his pilgrimage as everybody .. he went 
back at the hotel room  and his  nurse put him in bed and he slept  and 
he had a sudden terrible intense  cold , shivering and after   fell 
asleep .. later on he neded  to go to the toilets and he did and he 
relized thet he did   just like  everybody  else without calling his 
nurse just  walked out of his bed and  went ..
  So his  personal doctors are  saying that  it is impossible but no 
track of illness anymore he had a total remittence apaprently  .. the 
new doctors that examinaed his case say it is  eerie but looks true
  some  evil doctors said it is impossible and that he will fall back 
into his illness again..
  Religion is studying it , as it can be considered a case of * miracle *
  I can believe that  it happened !
  I can believe  that people can see at distance  can see illenss at 
distance I can believe that Reiki  helps a lot of people.. I am the 
first beneficiary of it, but  if you tell me someone in the  Jungle  or 
  even at Lourdes  can cure people  with his hands  and ALL SORTS OF 
DESEASES I  still can say * it is possible* but if you tell me he does 
that  not  bythousands or houndreds just 1 per day.. I will not  belive it
  especially if  he say its is cancer   , it takes time  to be able to 
say the patient status   alzaimer or Aids..
   this is  just dishonest and stupid to be said
  this kind of stories happened only in the Bible  and we Know what 
Bible is ..
  so I'd rather believe in Santa  or  Roswell .
  even energy , admitting that could   do this sort of curing job cannot 
act so fast tissues need time  it does not happens in a  nanon second.. 
  if so it is a Miracle a miracle that happens at a a rate of 1  per day 
or more is a con miracle !
  What did youru friends got as healing moral healing ? that I can admit

  cicatrizaion of a   rottening wound , i still can believe   but no 
more... there is a limit to miracles too !
  Theo



suzee wrote:

> Theo wrote:
> 
>>  HI Peter
>>  I know all what you talked about
>>  but my stomach is throwing up with rage when I read such idiocies  and
>>denying them is not  a synonimus of  possible narrow mind is just
>>common sense.. sometimes in these fields we become visionary and loose
>>the  limits of reality
>>when is too much it is too much!
>>100 10  1k per day are  the same  idiocies!
>>  Theo
> 
> 
> Maybe you need to ask *why* you have such a strong reaction to this man
> and those who claim heling through him? As I posted before, I know of
> three people from the I used to live in who went to visit him, one at
> least a couple times. They experienced some type of healing from their
> visits, even if not a complete disappearance of their illnesses. Isn't
> that what we claim for reiki, as well? Look within yourself, Theo, and
> find what it is that makes you less than open minded on this subject. :)
> <hugs>
> 
> sue

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Nadie Niemand wrote:


> 
> Theo, a thought, if you don't mind. Sight unseen, I don't know
> anything one way or the other about this fellow, and have no opinion
> as to his effectiveness, but that said, can you not send Reiki to more
> than one person at the same time? I belong to several groups that do
> group healings, or even healing the whole planet. If we can work on
> the whole planet at one time, why can't this man work with 1000 at a
> time? You are thinking, 
Snip
  Or you can
> imagine the whole earth between your hands and send Reiki to everyone,
> everywhere at once.
  yes I do  and the world does not even change in better months after 
we all did it  before  Iraqui war and war happened anyway
  so the day the  John of God  guy will   take the planet as we do  with 
  his  hands and will heal it  from wars  or just from suffering or 
desease  or from violence or and this  will be proven I will believe  he 
has Gift .. but until than I think he is a con man!


> You are as limited as you want to be.
   only fantasy is unlimited  reality is more limited  unfortunately  Theo



> Love and Light,
> 
> Garry
>  

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Theo wrote:
> 
> Hi Sue
>   to get ill takes sometimes..  even  for a cold  and it takes sometimes
> to    reverse the desease,, nothing disappears at once  I followed one
> case with a person  that had Parkinson or Anzhaimer   at last stage
>   he was passing on TV few montsh ago he is teh last *miraculate *  his
>   personal doctors and the doctors  that checked him as well.. the man
> is a french man and is about 70 he was in theh last stage ..
>   he was at Lourdes . and he did his pilgrimage as everybody .. he went
> back at the hotel room  and his  nurse put him in bed and he slept  and
> he had a sudden terrible intense  cold , shivering and after   fell
> asleep .. later on he neded  to go to the toilets and he did and he
> relized thet he did   just like  everybody  else without calling his
> nurse just  walked out of his bed and  went ..
>   So his  personal doctors are  saying that  it is impossible but no
> track of illness anymore he had a total remittence apaprently  .. the
> new doctors that examinaed his case say it is  eerie but looks true
>   some  evil doctors said it is impossible and that he will fall back
> into his illness again..
>   Religion is studying it , as it can be considered a case of * miracle *
>   I can believe that  it happened !
>   I can believe  that people can see at distance  can see illenss at
> distance I can believe that Reiki  helps a lot of people.. I am the
> first beneficiary of it, but  if you tell me someone in the  Jungle  or
>   even at Lourdes  can cure people  with his hands  and ALL SORTS OF
> DESEASES I  still can say * it is possible* but if you tell me he does
> that  not  bythousands or houndreds just 1 per day.. I will not  belive it
>   especially if  he say its is cancer   , it takes time  to be able to
> say the patient status   alzaimer or Aids..
>    this is  just dishonest and stupid to be said
>   this kind of stories happened only in the Bible  and we Know what
> Bible is ..
>   so I'd rather believe in Santa  or  Roswell .
>   even energy , admitting that could   do this sort of curing job cannot
> act so fast tissues need time  it does not happens in a  nanon second..
>   if so it is a Miracle a miracle that happens at a a rate of 1  per day
> or more is a con miracle !
>   What did youru friends got as healing moral healing ? that I can admit
 
You mean a spritual healing? I only spoke to one of them afterward --
she was feeling better physically, emotionally and spiritually. She
didn't have any disease or illness that she knew of, just not feeling
well, but was better afterward.

sue

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"suzee" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote in message
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> Theo wrote:
> >
> >   HI Peter
> >   I know all what you talked about
> >   but my stomach is throwing up with rage when I read such idiocies  and
> > denying them is not  a synonimus of  possible narrow mind is just
> > common sense.. sometimes in these fields we become visionary and loose
> > the  limits of reality
> > when is too much it is too much!
> > 100 10  1k per day are  the same  idiocies!
> >   Theo
>
> Maybe you need to ask *why* you have such a strong reaction to this man
> and those who claim heling through him?

Theo is allergic to anything that is connected
with religion, it's books and rituals.

I wonder why you, Theo, don't just stay clear
of it? Why engage into such a topic when you
know the effects it has? Why subject yourself
to these unhealthy states?
You are only reaching the ones who agree
with you already. Your argument of "too much"
has no power to convince people to change
their minds because "too much, too quick,
too 'whatever'" is not fact but only opinion.

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

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suzee wrote:
> Theo wrote:

>>  if so it is a Miracle a miracle that happens at a a rate of 1  per day
>>or more is a con miracle !
>>  What did youru friends got as healing moral healing ? that I can admit
> 
>  
> You mean a spritual healing? I only spoke to one of them afterward --
> she was feeling better physically, emotionally and spiritually. She
> didn't have any disease or illness that she knew of, just not feeling
> well, but was better afterward.
> 
> sue
HI Sue
  yes if it was  spiritual healing I accept
  I never have been at Lourdes and It seems that when you see all these 
people  the deseases and misfortune and the  religious spirit  in there 
you  feel a change inside of you  it is areal spiritual experience
  But many people has the same in Egypt and India or Kathmandu or Holy 
land in Israel
  It is a know syndrome I guess is called Jerusalem syndrome  are 
especially affected people from northern /western cultures  often 
atheist or in need of spirituality ..
   Theo

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pr wrote:
HI Peter

> Theo is allergic to anything that is connected
> with religion, it's books and rituals.

  not exactly  but I prefer  to discuss  with a shaman   rather than 
with a* Mad of God*
  of whatever main  religious branch, we see and we have seen  what 
religions ,when going  extreme, do !

> I wonder why you, Theo, don't just stay clear
> of it? Why engage into such a topic when you
> know the effects it has? Why subject yourself
> to these unhealthy states?
  because thisi is a NG and as John of God  express his opinions I have 
the  freedom to express mine.
> You are only reaching the ones who agree
> with you already. 
  this is true
>Your argument of "too much"
> has no power to convince people to change
> their minds because "too much, too quick,
> to 
  My arguments are logic there is a possible small logic even in irrational
  but this story is just  beyond the irrational and logic is gibberish 
and sadly is on something that affects people as a sick person is a 
destabilized  person either morally and physically and  more 
vulneralble  than, and in my opinion  trying to play on their 
vulnerability is evil..
   Anyway    Authorities are advising us not to smoke not to play with 
guns not to drink too much  when driving not to trust inknown and 
houndreds  of others and people still do..
  you're  right better drop it !
Theo

> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
> 
> 
> 

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"Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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>
>
> pr wrote:
> HI Peter
>
> > Theo is allergic to anything that is connected
> > with religion, it's books and rituals.
>
>   not exactly  but I prefer  to discuss  with a shaman   rather than
> with a* Mad of God*
>   of whatever main  religious branch, we see and we have seen  what
> religions ,when going  extreme, do !

Hi Theo,

I would guess that when shamanism or similar things
become mainstream it will be going to extremes in
a very similar manner like some of the religions have.
They are indeed often an abomination, and maybe
we are living in a fortunate time period where such
thing like the Magdalene laundries for example, can
become public knowledge. But to pour out vitriol and
derogatory words is unlikely to persuade anyone.

> > I wonder why you, Theo, don't just stay clear
> > of it? Why engage into such a topic when you
> > know the effects it has? Why subject yourself
> > to these unhealthy states?
>   because thisi is a NG and as John of God  express his opinions I have
> the  freedom to express mine.

Indeed you have, but not that the opinions expressed
are not John of God's but of one or more of his
followers. I looked at the website and could not find
any link where John of God advertises his services,
miracles, etc, in a direct manner. It is a group of
followers who do.

> > You are only reaching the ones who agree
> > with you already.
>   this is true

What is gained by that?

> >Your argument of "too much"
> > has no power to convince people to change
> > their minds because "too much, too quick,
> > to
>   My arguments are logic there is a possible small logic even in
irrational
>   but this story is just  beyond the irrational and logic is gibberish
> and sadly is on something that affects people as a sick person is a
> destabilized  person either morally and physically and  more
> vulneralble  than, and in my opinion  trying to play on their
> vulnerability is evil..

People are resilient, they are self-healing. To play on their
vulnerabilities for one's own advantage is wrong. But what
if it is happens for their own potential good? They are not
puppets whose strings are pulled by unknown masters,
making them victims forever. Where do you draw the line
what people have to be protected from? And should they
also be protected from certain knowledge and information?
And to whom are you going to give the task of deciding?
We are knowledgable enough nowadays that it should be
possible to get to know at least some of our masters to
whom we give the power to pull our strings. Reiki is part
of that.

>    Anyway    Authorities are advising us not to smoke not to play with
> guns not to drink too much  when driving not to trust inknown and
> houndreds  of others and people still do..
>   you're  right better drop it !

No, don't just drop it, but work on a level where it has a
real impact. The campaigns you refer to are ineffective
just because they do not address the real cause.
Quote:
"It has been assumed that knowledge of [such] dangers
is the best preventative of it. But danger grows, not because
its consequences are unknown but because its inward
roots are unrecognized. Whatever may be the origins
of violence in general [including violence towards ourselves],
today's violence is rooted in Western man's habit of
persisiting in himself, existing in himself, and relating to
himself whatever happens. It is shown in his telling other
people what to do and, failing response, of forcing them,
trying to force them, or manipulating them. It is displayed
in his practice of expressing *himself* in word and action,
in preference to expressing anything else to any other being.
..... it may well be that people ... are likely to be annihilated
not in spite of themselves but because of their selves."

from "Tao, the way of the ways", by Herrymon Maurer

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

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Theo wrote:
> 
> pr wrote:
> HI Peter
> 
> > Theo is allergic to anything that is connected
> > with religion, it's books and rituals.
> 
>   not exactly  but I prefer  to discuss  with a shaman   rather than
> with a* Mad of God*
>   of whatever main  religious branch, we see and we have seen  what
> religions ,when going  extreme, do !

But *is* he representing a main religion, or just getting in touch with
god the way he sees it, and the way we do when we use reiki and contact
`the source'? Also, look at if he calls himself a `man of god' or if his
followers do. As in shamanism, taiji and reiki, if a person calls
himself a shaman or a master, they're probably not, but if it's his
followers who do, then maybe there's something to what he's doing.

sue

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pr wrote:

> "Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message

> I would guess that when shamanism or similar things
> become mainstream it will be going to extremes in
> a very similar manner like some of the religions have.
  do not think so ..
  Thsi morning I was following Budddhism on TV and they said  (and it 
was interesting as it happened in all oriental religions that had a 
strong shamanic base , ) that Buddhism did not try to eradicate 
shamanism but   assimilated  it
  so you find in  house  templese teh buddha in a higher place and teh 
*spirit in a lower place but coesistiong
  The specific given example was about Birmany but I found teh same in 
Thailand China and Japan
  Christainais Islam and Judaism do not  coesist  they just eradicate 
the previous cultures  .. this is what happened with Catholic 
infiltration in Chian and Japan and south america  and still nowaday 
wherever christianims  and the others two  put their feets .. so we will 
reach and we already ahave a confrontation with the   3 that stem from 
teh same   root but not with buddhism that makes his place in occident 
without noise.. nor sectarism
> They are indeed often an abomination, and maybe
> we are living in a fortunate time period where such
> thing like the Magdalene laundries for example, can
> become public knowledge. But to pour out vitriol and
> derogatory words is unlikely to persuade anyone.
   I would not pretend to use the right surgery but the  weak surgeon 
lets the  infection invade the  whole body.. if does not act when 
action is due .. but I cannot chnage teh world  I know



> Indeed you have, but not that the opinions expressed
> are not John of God's but of one or more of his
> followers. I looked at the website and could not find
> any link where John of God advertises his services,
> miracles, etc, in a direct manner. It is a group of
> followers who do.
  I did not even search but it was evident that  was a junkie  private 
intiative not John of God initiative
  and it was teh second time it  was mailed here


> What is gained by that?
  maybe I avoid  someone to be conned


> People are resilient, they are self-healing. To play on their
> vulnerabilities for one's own advantage is wrong. But what
> if it is happens for their own potential good? They are not
> puppets whose strings are pulled by unknown masters,
> making them victims forever. Where do you draw the line
> what people have to be protected from? 
  I am not using inforcements
  some people makes and ads in a  way and I make the contrary to balance 
it  than one does what  one feel s like to do .. I am not a  cop

>And should they
> also be protected from certain knowledge and information?
> And to whom are you going to give the task of deciding?
  I am not deciding  for anyone  nor could  even if I would .I explain 
my point of view  ,  after that everyone , acts  according his choices
  if you decide to go there and see John of God making miracles    I am 
not putting a gun behind your nape  to impeach you to go .. nor telling 
you  that you are wrong
  you are an adult and able  to make your free choices   so if you 
decide to go ..go !

> We are knowledgable enough nowadays that it should be
> possible to get to know at least some of our masters to
> whom we give the power to pull our strings. Reiki is part
> of that.

   a lot of people  are so disperate that are ready to believe whatever 
even drinking pond water   to be cured  and you see and read this eveyrday


> today's violence is rooted in Western man's habit of
> persisiting in himself, existing in himself, and relating to
> himself whatever happens. It is shown in his telling other
> people what to do and, failing response, of forcing them,
> trying to force them, or manipulating them. It is displayed
> in his practice of expressing *himself* in word and action,
> in preference to expressing anything else to any other being.
> ..... it may well be that people ... are likely to be annihilated
> not in spite of themselves but because of their selves."
> 
> from "Tao, the way of the ways", by Herrymon Maurer
  intersting send this  to Bush that is   obsessed by giving freedom to 
Irakians  or playing the World  cop!
  have a nice evening
  Theo

> 
> --
> Namu Amida Butsu
> Peter Reber
> "Life knows its needs"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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suzee wrote:

> Theo wrote:
> 
> But *is* he representing a main religion, or just getting in touch with
> god the way he sees it, and the way we do when we use reiki and contact
> `the source'? Also, look at if he calls himself a `man of god' or if his
> followers do. As in shamanism, taiji and reiki, if a person calls
> himself a shaman or a master, they're probably not, but if it's his
> followers who do, then maybe there's something to what he's doing.
> 
> sue
  HI Sue   I do not care which creed of magic  he practice  what I care 
is that some people ( that probably blindly believe in his gifts) are 
insinuating he can care  cancer alzhaimer  aids and  many others  * very 
quickly" normaly  accordin my acountings in  90 seconds per person  will 
do .. ! would he say in 3 hours or 3 days  per persons  would also 
do you rememeber when few years ago plenty of people  with terminal 
cancers were flying to Philippine   where were operate bare  hands and 
cured.... with no scars  :-)
  well we are facing the same phenomena one of this  days the  whole 
bubble will burst open and we all will try to  hide our face  and forget 
quickly how naives we  have been to  give credit to these stories..

  If I tell you to give me 1000 dollars that within 24 hours  I will 
turn by magic   into 3ooo k will you believe me?
    Plenty of people do   believe that,  and loose  money  but not with 
1k  but  10 ,30k and more  this happens at  least once per month  on 
newspars here in Europe ..
  Are we more stupid here  than  in your side of the world?
  for me that  method of curing of giving  false hopes to disperate 
people  are exactly the same   as multiplying  money  with magic..
  The moral damage is even worse  than  loosing 1000 bucks  but only the 
material  damage is falling under law enforcement.. and the previous 
only in developed countries  where  is considered abuse of medecine...
  Theo

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<<Christians Islam and Judaism do not  coexist  they just eradicate 
the previous cultures  >>

There is much that each has assimilated into the religion, 
from their pagan pasts,
it is just that there are always groups within those religions 
that are actually the minority yet have the loudest voice"much like Reiki : )".
 
What the world is seeing about Islam is such a small percentage of Muslims, 
yet the media makes it seem like it is main stream.

In some ways it is a bit of Cosmic Joke that the Same God would sanction
3 different religions to be the only true religion. 

All Love,

Patrick





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Patrick Zeigler wrote:
> 
> <<Christians Islam and Judaism do not  coexist  they just eradicate
> the previous cultures  >>
> 
> There is much that each has assimilated into the religion,
> from their pagan pasts,
> it is just that there are always groups within those religions
> that are actually the minority yet have the loudest voice"much like Reiki : )".
> 
> What the world is seeing about Islam is such a small percentage of Muslims,
> yet the media makes it seem like it is main stream.
> 
> In some ways it is a bit of Cosmic Joke that the Same God would sanction
> 3 different religions to be the only true religion.

I saw something, maybe on a bumper sticker, or on the 'net: 

   God is too big to belong to just one religion.

sue

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JohnSmith wrote:
> 
> This year I visited Abadiania in Central Brasil where John of God cures over
> 1000 people a day. He cures AIDS and malgnent cancers. I have seen hundreds
> miracles a day. People throwing away crutches. Blind starting to see again.
> 
> Joao provides free treatment for everyone in the town of Abadiania, in  a
> place known as Casa de Dom Inacio. He is the best-known healer since Jesus
> Christ.
> 
> I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get to
> Abadiania and get healed.
> 
> http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek


Whoever that person is....
If he really do what he says or not....
The main thing for me is the wellfare of those people who seek help.
If just by their own believe they feel much better....so be it! Most of
those people who are comming for that healing have no other hope! Would
you like to take it from them? Tell them it's all lie? Or would you let
them to believe?

There is one story (maybe it's not related that much, but I wanted to
tell it).

My friend and his wife were trying to have a baby for ten years. Doctors
said there is no chance. They went to India and were told to see one men
who could help them. So they went to that place but met wrong person.
And the person who they met told my friend to massage his wife's feet
every night. After one year they had a baby boy!!! So they went again to
India and met that person again. He was amazed and said that he is not
who they think he is and that he was just making fun of them!!!

So we never know.

I know that most of you will not agree with me...

This is just my thought. If wrong or right it doesn't matter that much.

Love and light

Risha

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Patrick Zeigler wrote:

>  There is much that each has assimilated into the religion,
> from their pagan pasts,

 Christians yes asimilates a lot  pagan of festivities and transformed them into
catholic as Christamas the Dead  festivities  easter carnival    St John ( summer
solstice) and many churches has been built  above previous pagan sites a way to
crush totally a culture
 I cannot say the same about Islam beside of the fact that actual mads destroyed
The Mountains Buddhas and as a Divine revenge they has been erased also ..
 Old Islam transformed old Christians churches into Mosques and viceversa this can
be seen in Spain, Istanbul
and other places
 The  Islam we   experience today is a degeneration of  classic Islam  there
isplenty of strains inside Islam and there are plenty
 of different   movements inside  christians or Buddhist  but less violent
The Jew is anotehr thing they developed  absorbing  religions where were in slavery
UR Babylone
Egypt and buitlt up their own .. until now did not settle down in  a country and
chocke the previous culture......until now......


>  In some ways it is a bit of Cosmic Joke that the Same God would sanction
> 3 different religions to be the only true religion.

  Exactly   I noticed that ages ago ....and the 3 of them preach tolerance love and
forbearence:-)
 in fact teh Jew is teh  father religion of catholicism and the   elder brother of
Islam

 You Know what God did when realized that his son  Jesus become Christian ?
 outraged  He made a  New Testament! :-)
 Love and light


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> Patrick Zeigler wrote:
> >
> > <<Christians Islam and Judaism do not  coexist  they just eradicate
> > the previous cultures  >>
> >
> > There is much that each has assimilated into the religion,
> > from their pagan pasts,
> > it is just that there are always groups within those religions
> > that are actually the minority yet have the loudest voice"much like Reiki : )".
> >
> > What the world is seeing about Islam is such a small percentage of Muslims,
> > yet the media makes it seem like it is main stream.
> >
> > In some ways it is a bit of Cosmic Joke that the Same God would sanction
> > 3 different religions to be the only true religion.
>
> I saw something, maybe on a bumper sticker, or on the 'net:
>
>    God is too big to belong to just one religion.

 make this understand to all these  fools..
 anyway each religion is a  special way to reach thesame aim as there are different
ways and names   about  energy.. like Reiki  Tera mai  Violet Flame  St germain Qui
Ki  Taichi    SKM Prana and so on
 Theo

>
>
> sue

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HI
"R. Bonk" wrote:

>
> > I was so impressed that I made my own homepage, so everyone can get to
> > Abadiania and get healed.
> >
> > http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/slavek
>
> Whoever that person is....
> If he really do what he says or not....
> The main thing for me is the wellfare of those people who seek help.
> If just by their own believe they feel much better....so be it! Most of
> those people who are comming for that healing have no other hope! Would
> you like to take it from them? Tell them it's all lie? Or would you let
> them to believe?

 Well hope is the last one to die.. I agree  and said that keeping hope helps
a lot to live better even if in illness

>
> And the person who they met told my friend to massage his wife's feet
> every night. After one year they had a baby boy!!! So they went again to
> India and met that person again. He was amazed and said that he is not
> who they think he is and that he was just making fun of them!!!

 yes probably by that act of feet massage a  deeper trust relationship helped the
woman to conceive a baby  many temporary    sterility are due to the fact that
women *inconsciosly* did  not want to have the baby    that moment

>
>
> So we never know.
>
> I know that most of you will not agree with me...

 My son had a  lunar scaffoid problem and my daughter 21  fell on the ground and
had 2 ribs broken..  her husband took her at the hospital tehy made x ray

 he took her immediately to see a friend   shaman - energy -acupuncturist  that
made acupuncture
 My daughter slept 24 hours after and the ribs  teh following  day were  welded
che coudl walk properly and carry her light back pack one week after ..
  for my son the same guy cured his  lunar scaffoid  bone and we have 2 doctors in
my family  0plus the hospital practician   and one of the two  is a military
doctor and said that my son  COULD NOT  be  cured.. but the *shaman did * 2 years
ago in  abut 6  acupuncture and herbs during 3 months
   Few weeks before that happened , I  had just finished to read  The Way of Qi
Gong  by  Ken Alston in which he explained had the same problem with the lunar
scaffoid bone  and that was cured 5 years later in China ( after he abandoned
martial arts due to this problem) and that nobody was  able to do it in the States

 so  this prove that impossible things can be done.. but it takes  time and not
seconds and some is feasable and others
 less... if one person is blind because or a retina or glaucoma problem I do not
think that might be cured  ( maybe it is possible i do not deny that )  with a
simple touch ..  or just because  a Holy person say .. See again !

 This is what I want to poit out
 Theo


>
>
> This is just my thought. If wrong or right it doesn't matter that much.
>
> Love and light
>
> Risha

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"Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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>
>
> pr wrote:
>
> > "Theo" <byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
>
> > I would guess that when shamanism or similar things
> > become mainstream it will be going to extremes in
> > a very similar manner like some of the religions have.
>   do not think so ..
>   Thsi morning I was following Budddhism on TV and they said  (and it
> was interesting as it happened in all oriental religions that had a
> strong shamanic base , ) that Buddhism did not try to eradicate
> shamanism but   assimilated  it
>   so you find in  house  templese teh buddha in a higher place and teh
> *spirit in a lower place but coesistiong
>   The specific given example was about Birmany but I found teh same in
> Thailand China and Japan

The approach may indeed be different but this does not
protect from corruption or perceived corruption.
Witness the feuds that happened in the last few years
within the Nichiren followers.
Or go back into history and see how the Kamakura
period (13th century) shook up Buddhism and resulted
in a number of new sects because the authorities had
co-opted the Buddhist clergy to support their causes,
which upset a number of monks who promptly proceeded
to create their own line.

>   Christainais Islam and Judaism do not  coesist  they just eradicate
> the previous cultures  .. this is what happened with Catholic
> infiltration in Chian and Japan and south america  and still nowaday
> wherever christianims  and the others two  put their feets .. so we will
> reach and we already ahave a confrontation with the   3 that stem from
> teh same   root but not with buddhism that makes his place in occident
> without noise.. nor sectarism


But what is happening to the Falun Gong practitioners in China,
who are persecuted by the government for practicing 5 simple
exercises?

> > Indeed you have, but not that the opinions expressed
> > are not John of God's but of one or more of his
> > followers. I looked at the website and could not find
> > any link where John of God advertises his services,
> > miracles, etc, in a direct manner. It is a group of
> > followers who do.
>   I did not even search but it was evident that  was a junkie  private
> intiative not John of God initiative
>   and it was teh second time it  was mailed here

So what? Seeing the heat it generates here, I would
mail it a dozen times, if I were him. Just look what
he achieves!

> > What is gained by that?
>   maybe I avoid  someone to be conned

Maybe you also prevent somebody from having
an experience, even if that experience is one
of realising that they were conned. What a
realization to see that I belong to the gullible also!
I must be, seeing that I continue arguing about
this topic with you<g>.

> > People are resilient, they are self-healing. To play on their
> > vulnerabilities for one's own advantage is wrong. But what
> > if it is happens for their own potential good? They are not
> > puppets whose strings are pulled by unknown masters,
> > making them victims forever. Where do you draw the line
> > what people have to be protected from?
>   I am not using inforcements
>   some people makes and ads in a  way and I make the contrary to balance
> it  than one does what  one feel s like to do .. I am not a  cop

> >And should they
> > also be protected from certain knowledge and information?
> > And to whom are you going to give the task of deciding?
>   I am not deciding  for anyone  nor could  even if I would .I explain
> my point of view  ,  after that everyone , acts  according his choices
>   if you decide to go there and see John of God making miracles    I am
> not putting a gun behind your nape  to impeach you to go .. nor telling
> you  that you are wrong

That is certainly not the impression I get. How can you
say somebody is a conman, a cheat, a liar, an impostor or
whatever, and then say but if you go to him it is not
wrong.

>   you are an adult and able  to make your free choices   so if you
> decide to go ..go !
>
> > We are knowledgable enough nowadays that it should be
> > possible to get to know at least some of our masters to
> > whom we give the power to pull our strings. Reiki is part
> > of that.
>
>    a lot of people  are so disperate that are ready to believe whatever
> even drinking pond water   to be cured  and you see and read this eveyrday

And after medical science failed, psychology and psychiatry
failed, alternative health practitioners failed, praying and
whatever other thing they tried failed, you are there to
remove and destroy what they may see as the last
remaining hope? Many may not exhaust all the possible
options before they go to a miracle healer, but then, a
miracle healer is just one of the possible options too.

> > today's violence is rooted in Western man's habit of
> > persisiting in himself, existing in himself, and relating to
> > himself whatever happens. It is shown in his telling other
> > people what to do and, failing response, of forcing them,
> > trying to force them, or manipulating them. It is displayed
> > in his practice of expressing *himself* in word and action,
> > in preference to expressing anything else to any other being.
> > ..... it may well be that people ... are likely to be annihilated
> > not in spite of themselves but because of their selves."
> >
> > from "Tao, the way of the ways", by Herrymon Maurer
>   intersting send this  to Bush that is   obsessed by giving freedom to
> Irakians  or playing the World  cop!

Don't try to escape the issues by referring to other things
happening in the world. The quote a *direct* bearing on how
we run our life and interact with people.

--
Namu Amida Butsu
Peter Reber
"Life knows its needs"

> >
> > --
> > Namu Amida Butsu
> > Peter Reber
> > "Life knows its needs"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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pr wrote:


> Or go back into history and see how the Kamakura
> period (13th century) shook up Buddhism and resulted
> in a number of new sects because the authorities had
> co-opted the Buddhist clergy to support their causes,
> which upset a number of monks who promptly proceeded
> to create their own line.
> 
  well Religion and Secular Power are the two bosoms of  folk domination


> But what is happening to the Falun Gong practitioners in China,
> who are persecuted by the government for practicing 5 simple
> exercises?
  well the problems is that Falung Gong  followers  in china outnumnber 
   the whole communist party  memebrs  and one word from their mad man 
in the USa  might turn upside down  the   power ( in theory ) in  China
  Falung Gong  per se is in my opinon very good . I mean teh routines .. 
I di for few weeks and I noticed taht Hoat hands sysndrome was 
spectacular .. I  could never decide myself to go to an open air session 
with them as you know how I feel with religions or extremism .. I can 
stand some Zen .. not mentioning teh book that is teh worse of teh worse 
  Sf book I have ever  tried to read .. I could not go beyond  10 pages 
and     browsing was the same


> So what? Seeing the heat it generates here, I would
> mail it a dozen times, if I were him. Just look what
> he achieves!
  I heated you stayed cool man :-)!


> Maybe you also prevent somebody from having
> an experience, 
  well whatzever we might do  will open a positive  and a negative 
possibility
  maybe I'll avoid a poor person to  get plenty of debts to  get money 
and go there and be disappointed..
   one only know  for sure what we have experienced, choosen , what has 
    non happened is pure speculation  is maya an aborted possibility not 
even an aborted reality

>even if that experience is one
> of realising that they were conned.
  well in some situations of dispair people thinks  after when the basdi 
si  doen
  anyway we are speculating on " not happened events" and we will never 
  know if by my acting I helped or spoiled someone it is  speculation
  >What a
> realization to see that I belong to the gullible also!
  we all are you not more  nor less than me

  we all can fins a shoe for our foot !
> I must be, seeing that I continue arguing about
> this topic with you<g>.
  probably It vibes your deeply in somewhere :-)


>>>And should they
>>>also be protected from certain knowledge and information?
>>>And to whom are you going to give the task of deciding?
  well   actually it seems most of religions and governements do and did 
and will do in future

  and we all do the  same  to protect  our interest  or people we love 
or as we want things go as we think is good !


> That is certainly not the impression I get. How can you
> say somebody is a conman, a cheat, a liar, an impostor or
> whatever, and then say but if you go to him it is not
> wrong.

   he is telling such an absurdity that    cannot correspond to a 
reality  hence is not true  he says he is a liar himself


> And after medical science failed, psychology and psychiatry
> failed, alternative health practitioners failed, praying and
> whatever other thing they tried failed, you are there to
> remove and destroy what they may see as the last
> remaining hope? Many may not exhaust all the possible
> options before they go to a miracle healer, but then, a
> miracle healer is just one of the possible options too.
  reality is the only thing that we must accept  living into illusions 
is a hideway  and soon ar later we wil have to face reality
  Maybe  we pretend too much form what was offered by our medecine .. we 
did not ask the doctors to cure us from desease   but to guve us health 
  to   pursue  faster in a wrong  road ....   add wax to the fast  burning
   candles   ;.)
  and it is not hiding our   consciousness under the illusions  like 
ostruch under sand that will find  a solution to our problems  !


> Don't try to escape the issues by referring to other things
> happening in the world.
  why   it is  a direct answer to the words you wrote  above
  >The quote a *direct* bearing on how
> we run our life and interact with people.
  we all try to manipulate the others   for thousands reasons
  life is so
human nature is so
  even in  past and present of Reiki  is  so ..

  Love and light
  Theo