From: "Seann" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:49:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.48.145.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1066736975 65.48.145.88 (Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:49:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:49:35 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!24.215.0.32.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mountaincable.net!cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9824 Hi again, My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of weeks first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it possible some people are naturally attuned? This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the symbols and/or attunements? Thanks, Seann ###### From: "R. Bonk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:56:37 +0100 Organization: FTEL Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3F951EF5.E7D879C5@ftel.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: europa.ftel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-out.ftel.co.uk 1066737402 31680 172.16.2.98 (21 Oct 2003 11:56:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ftel.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:56:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!news-out.ftel.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9825 Seann wrote: > > Hi again, > > My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her > but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of weeks > first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > possible some people are naturally attuned? > > This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > symbols and/or attunements? > > Thanks, > > Seann I can feel energy too and successfuly heal other people and never had attunement. Risha ###### Message-ID: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.181.132 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.181.132 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066738817 195.186.181.132 (21 Oct 2003 14:20:17 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 33 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9827 I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people but are not really 100% necessary for some people they are .. If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but it could not be harmful to receive attunemente . But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect anyway When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that it is a wonderful experience.. Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean face to face ? This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! Theo Seann wrote: > Hi again, > > My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her > but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of weeks > first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > possible some people are naturally attuned? > > This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > symbols and/or attunements? > > Thanks, > > Seann ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 46 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:38:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.32.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066779494 207.69.32.161 (Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:38:14 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:38:14 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9850 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people but are >not really 100% necessary Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters is that of the attunee. Love and Light, Garry > for some people they are .. > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but it >could not be harmful to >receive attunemente . >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect anyway > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that it is >a wonderful experience.. > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean face >to face ? > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! >Theo > >Seann wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of weeks >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! >> >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it >> possible some people are naturally attuned? >> >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the >> symbols and/or attunements? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Seann > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:19:15 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> Lines: 89 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.132 X-Trace: sv3-hbdxaHI/XRlCy1w24+vcvsA7yQxqOo82Kqkobe6Ksqx2m3NLisp9ge11Z5Y2TMXZRajrkTmllI8mIXq!uLFSpAw+cujUfmuhPJMa0z64AbXWD1Qg1QrSwAWJrn1RgPdztFSwvxSm/cZS60HEdQrGmU011w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9858 Here is another thought: I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other ways. Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being treated. (Oschman) *IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. The process may be unique, but the result is not. Peterz www.onreiki.com "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people but are > >not really 100% necessary > > Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of > an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people > involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters > is that of the attunee. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > > for some people they are .. > > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but it > >could not be harmful to > >receive attunemente . > >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect anyway > > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that it is > >a wonderful experience.. > > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean face > >to face ? > > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! > >Theo > > > >Seann wrote: > > > >> Hi again, > >> > >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her > >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of weeks > >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > >> > >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > >> > >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > >> symbols and/or attunements? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Seann > > > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:20:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1066821612 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:20:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:20:12 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9860 First thing to remember is that Reiki is the name applied to a system of accessing Life force Energy. It is not the name of the Energy itself although it ( the Name Reiki) is used in writing and conversations as if it were the energies name. The Life force lives within all living things ( no exceptions). The Life Force is everywhere. All being draw on this Energy constantly in order to maintain what we call Life. At times our living experiences are draining (using) more Energy that we are naturally drawing and at such times we need to draw more in order to maintain our wellness to whatever degree possible. Hence it is that we have found various system of doing just that and Reiki is one such system. Some people do not need to be taught to draw additional energy, some do. Initiation is part of a process that teaches those who need to learn and it is needed by them. it is not needed by those who are already in tune with the process of drawing on Life force Energy (by whatever name). The Ability to draw energy comes from the individual receiving the initiation and from Creator not the person performing it. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Seann" wrote in message news:j39lb.424274$Lnr1.147078@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Hi again, > > My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her > but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of weeks > first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > possible some people are naturally attuned? > > This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > symbols and/or attunements? > > > Thanks, > > Seann > > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 100 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:03:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.3.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066824219 207.69.3.209 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:03:39 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:03:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9862 Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. Thanks for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts backgrounds? ;-) Garry On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >Here is another thought: > >I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of >Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - >whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her >where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. > >Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) >place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that >state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) > >I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system >how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. >OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it >walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other >ways. > >Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of >whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the >same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being >treated. (Oschman) > >*IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong >healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am >talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. >The process may be unique, but the result is not. > >Peterz >www.onreiki.com > > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: >> >> >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people >but are >> >not really 100% necessary >> >> Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of >> an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people >> involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters >> is that of the attunee. >> >> Love and Light, >> >> Garry >> >> > for some people they are .. >> > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but >it >> >could not be harmful to >> >receive attunemente . >> >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect >anyway >> > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that >it is >> >a wonderful experience.. >> > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean >face >> >to face ? >> > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! >> >Theo >> > >> >Seann wrote: >> > >> >> Hi again, >> >> >> >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune >her >> >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of >weeks >> >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she >could >> >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! >> >> >> >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it >> >> possible some people are naturally attuned? >> >> >> >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the >> >> symbols and/or attunements? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Seann >> > >> > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 70 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:12:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.3.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066824740 207.69.3.209 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:12:20 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:12:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9863 On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:20:12 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >First thing to remember is that Reiki is the name applied to a system of >accessing Life force Energy. It is not the name of the Energy itself >although it ( the Name Reiki) is used in writing and conversations as if it >were the energies name. Agree with everything except the above. Reiki is also *a* name (not *the* name--names come from cultures and languages, so to say that there is only one name for a thing is often quite inaccurate) for the Life Force Energy, as well as the name for a(some) particular system(s) of accessing LFE. Picking nits, Garry >The Life force lives within all living things ( no exceptions). >The Life Force is everywhere. > >All being draw on this Energy constantly in order to maintain what we call >Life. > >At times our living experiences are draining (using) more Energy that we are >naturally drawing and at such times we need to draw more in order to >maintain our wellness to whatever degree possible. >Hence it is that we have found various system of doing just that and Reiki >is one such system. > >Some people do not need to be taught to draw additional energy, some do. > >Initiation is part of a process that teaches those who need to learn and it >is needed by them. >it is not needed by those who are already in tune with the process of >drawing on Life force Energy (by whatever name). > >The Ability to draw energy comes from the individual receiving the >initiation and from Creator not the person performing it. > > >-- >ShadowWolf >http://www.mysticreiki.com >http://www.reiki.net >"Seann" wrote in message >news:j39lb.424274$Lnr1.147078@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >> Hi again, >> >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of >weeks >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! >> >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it >> possible some people are naturally attuned? >> >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the >> symbols and/or attunements? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Seann >> >> >> > > ###### From: "alt.clearing.O5" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki,alt.self-improve,alt.spiritual.enhancement Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:45:39 +0200 Organization: HTnet Lines: 105 Message-ID: <3F968A02.46374D42@phenix.rootshell.be> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar3-m172.net.hinet.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ls219.htnet.hr 1066830412 19852 195.29.66.172 (22 Oct 2003 13:46:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@htnet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:46:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!195.29.150.88.MISMATCH!news2.htnet.hr!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9867 There's no energy coming from wiothout, it's in the redeployment of one's own bundled energy. http://puck.dhs.org Nadie Niemand wrote: > Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements > makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. Thanks > for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because > it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts > backgrounds? ;-) > > Garry > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >Here is another thought: > > > >I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of > >Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - > >whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her > >where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. > > > >Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) > >place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that > >state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) > > > >I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > >how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > >OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it > >walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other > >ways. > > > >Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > >whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > >same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being > >treated. (Oschman) > > > >*IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > >healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > >talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. > >The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com > > > > > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > >news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... > >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > >> > >> >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people > >but are > >> >not really 100% necessary > >> > >> Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of > >> an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people > >> involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters > >> is that of the attunee. > >> > >> Love and Light, > >> > >> Garry > >> > >> > for some people they are .. > >> > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but > >it > >> >could not be harmful to > >> >receive attunemente . > >> >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect > >anyway > >> > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that > >it is > >> >a wonderful experience.. > >> > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean > >face > >> >to face ? > >> > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! > >> >Theo > >> > > >> >Seann wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi again, > >> >> > >> >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune > >her > >> >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of > >weeks > >> >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she > >could > >> >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > >> >> > >> >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > >> >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > >> >> > >> >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > >> >> symbols and/or attunements? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Seann > >> > > >> > > > > ###### Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:35:43 +0200 From: Theo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.226.27 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.226.27 Message-ID: <3f96b1c8$1_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066840520 81.62.226.27 (22 Oct 2003 18:35:20 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 139 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9868 Selft attunement worked with Usui maybe he was a naturally gifted person that had itby birth and discovered its gift throught his studies end enlightment and a he puttogethera system that probably he thought valid to make the others reach his same point of skill.. thinking a priori that we *must* be attuned to be able to practice Reiki is already a limitation.. Plenty of people did this sert of energy medecine under others name and with sometimes similar risults and they did not know that Reiki did not exists In theory Jesus ( if we pull in religion) was doing the same and was born long before Usui ... so was Jesus skill inferior to Usui's :-) because did not Know Reiki or was inferior as had not beeen attuned before ? ( it is a koan) Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements > makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. Thanks > for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because > it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts > backgrounds? ;-) > > Garry > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >>Here is another thought: >> >>I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of >>Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - >>whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her >>where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. >> >>Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) >>place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that >>state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) >> >>I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system >>how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. >>OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it >>walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other >>ways. >> >>Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of >>whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the >>same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being >>treated. (Oschman) >> >>*IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong >>healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am >>talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. >>The process may be unique, but the result is not. >> >>Peterz >>www.onreiki.com >> >> >>"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >>news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... >> >>>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people >> >>but are >> >>>>not really 100% necessary >>> >>>Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of >>>an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people >>>involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters >>>is that of the attunee. >>> >>>Love and Light, >>> >>>Garry >>> >>> >>>>for some people they are .. >>>>If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but >> >>it >> >>>>could not be harmful to >>>>receive attunemente . >>>>But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect >> >>anyway >> >>>>When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that >> >>it is >> >>>>a wonderful experience.. >>>>Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean >> >>face >> >>>>to face ? >>>>This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! >>>>Theo >>>> >>>>Seann wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi again, >>>>> >>>>>My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune >> >>her >> >>>>>but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of >> >>weeks >> >>>>>first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she >> >>could >> >>>>>feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! >>>>> >>>>>She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it >>>>>possible some people are naturally attuned? >>>>> >>>>>This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the >>>>>symbols and/or attunements? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>> >>>>>Seann >>>> >> > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:54:45 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:53:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9FCdnd5c4czIKwuiU-KYjQ@magma.ca> Lines: 136 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.132 X-Trace: sv3-nirpshOAWoivYo+CM4/lO3poLix1rH5N0KA0LCb5u68xrKgbGCQM7psAA/fs0oJ8gOiAxoymTW66BU8!J74MeIc7a3GnPj/Z4crbJxmcpvxWAJbVtHy3aHsoCisCLZ/dUzx/hrE3ZnZIAfB30ek9Vf6RuQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9871 By me, self attunement is just like the MA training I think. No attunement there - self-attunement through practice. Instead of "Go here" instruction through attunement, I think it is "Hey, Look at this place!" after some searching/practice/meditation/whatever. Anyway, it gives me a model that I can work with for now. That is all I need . (I'm a pragmatist... if it walks like a duck, and quacks, get the orange sauce ready ...) P "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net... > Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements > makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. Thanks > for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because > it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts > backgrounds? ;-) > > Garry > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >Here is another thought: > > > >I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of > >Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - > >whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her > >where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. > > > >Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) > >place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that > >state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) > > > >I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > >how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > >OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it > >walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other > >ways. > > > >Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > >whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > >same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being > >treated. (Oschman) > > > >*IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > >healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > >talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. > >The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com > > > > > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > >news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... > >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > >> > >> >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people > >but are > >> >not really 100% necessary > >> > >> Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of > >> an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people > >> involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters > >> is that of the attunee. > >> > >> Love and Light, > >> > >> Garry > >> > >> > for some people they are .. > >> > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but > >it > >> >could not be harmful to > >> >receive attunemente . > >> >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect > >anyway > >> > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that > >it is > >> >a wonderful experience.. > >> > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean > >face > >> >to face ? > >> > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! > >> >Theo > >> > > >> >Seann wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi again, > >> >> > >> >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune > >her > >> >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of > >weeks > >> >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she > >could > >> >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > >> >> > >> >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > >> >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > >> >> > >> >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > >> >> symbols and/or attunements? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Seann > >> > > >> > > > > > ###### Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:28:33 +0200 From: Theo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.226.27 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.226.27 Message-ID: <3f96be2a_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066843690 81.62.226.27 (22 Oct 2003 19:28:10 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 84 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9874 I was writing a nonsense.. How are you by the way :-) do you know what makes 999 times tic and one times toc? Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:20:12 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > > >>First thing to remember is that Reiki is the name applied to a system of >>accessing Life force Energy. It is not the name of the Energy itself >>although it ( the Name Reiki) is used in writing and conversations as if it >>were the energies name. > > > Agree with everything except the above. Reiki is also *a* name (not > *the* name--names come from cultures and languages, so to say that > there is only one name for a thing is often quite inaccurate) for the > Life Force Energy, as well as the name for a(some) particular > system(s) of accessing LFE. > > Picking nits, > > Garry > > >>The Life force lives within all living things ( no exceptions). >>The Life Force is everywhere. >> >>All being draw on this Energy constantly in order to maintain what we call >>Life. >> >>At times our living experiences are draining (using) more Energy that we are >>naturally drawing and at such times we need to draw more in order to >>maintain our wellness to whatever degree possible. >>Hence it is that we have found various system of doing just that and Reiki >>is one such system. >> >>Some people do not need to be taught to draw additional energy, some do. >> >>Initiation is part of a process that teaches those who need to learn and it >>is needed by them. >>it is not needed by those who are already in tune with the process of >>drawing on Life force Energy (by whatever name). >> >>The Ability to draw energy comes from the individual receiving the >>initiation and from Creator not the person performing it. >> >> >>-- >>ShadowWolf >>http://www.mysticreiki.com >>http://www.reiki.net >>"Seann" wrote in message >>news:j39lb.424274$Lnr1.147078@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >> >>>Hi again, >>> >>>My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her >>>but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of >> >>weeks >> >>>first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could >>>feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! >>> >>>She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it >>>possible some people are naturally attuned? >>> >>>This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the >>>symbols and/or attunements? >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Seann >>> >>> >>> >> >> > ###### Message-ID: <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 63 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:04:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1066849483 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:04:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:04:43 CDT Organization: RoadRunner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9877 Hi Garry, Nadie Niemand wrote: > > Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements > makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. IME, Peter's theory does explain 'cases of self-attunement'. That is some people can naturally attain the necessary mental state (in this thread, myself, Seann's girl friend & Risha) while others need training to attain that state. I wouldn't say that a 'Self Attuned' person is doing Reiki, but as Shadow Wolf said "that Reiki is *the name* applied to *a system* of accessing Life force Energy" & *not* the name of the energy. > Thanks > for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because > it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts > backgrounds? ;-) The only martial arts background I have is the training I received in the US Army in 1957 & what I have learned from movies & TV. :) GramPaHugs, (my version of reiki) ^_^ Alex, > Garry > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: :) > >I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > >how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > >OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it > >walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other > >ways. > > > >Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > >whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > >same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being > >treated. (Oschman) > > > >*IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > >healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > >talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. > >The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 135 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:27:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1066861663 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:27:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:27:43 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9882 Greetings, The only reason you think in that way is because of the way so many things from other modalities have been added into the reiki "pot" under the assumption that it is OK. Although all these add-ins may have value on their own they are not a part of Reiki and are not needed to do Reiki. You do not need to meditate to do Reiki, you can watch TV, Talk, look at the birds out the ewindow etc. You do not control the energy. It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch modalities. The attunement process is merely a ritual which many people need in order to accept they are able to perform. It is a form of permission from someone qualified to teach Reiki. The attunement itself is between the receiver and creator. Those EEG's are meaningless. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Peterz" wrote in message news:89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca... > Here is another thought: > > I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of > Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - > whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her > where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. > > Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) > place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that > state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) > > I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it > walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other > ways. > > Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being > treated. (Oschman) > > *IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. > The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > Peterz > www.onreiki.com > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people > but are > > >not really 100% necessary > > > > Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of > > an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people > > involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters > > is that of the attunee. > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > > > > > for some people they are .. > > > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but > it > > >could not be harmful to > > >receive attunemente . > > >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect > anyway > > > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that > it is > > >a wonderful experience.. > > > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean > face > > >to face ? > > > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! > > >Theo > > > > > >Seann wrote: > > > > > >> Hi again, > > >> > > >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune > her > > >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of > weeks > > >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she > could > > >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > >> > > >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > > >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > > >> > > >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > > >> symbols and/or attunements? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Seann > > > > > > > > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:35:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1066862122 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:35:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:35:22 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9883 "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com... > > I wouldn't say that a 'Self Attuned' person is doing Reiki, but as Shadow Wolf > said "that Reiki is *the name* applied to *a system* of accessing Life force > Energy" & *not* the name of the energy. > Ahh, you are correct in a manner of speaking but if the potential Reiki person were told that they could indeed self attune to Reiki by a qualified Reiki Teacher than they would indeed be doing Reiki. > > Thanks > > for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because > > it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts > > backgrounds? ;-) > > The only martial arts background I have is the training I received in the US > Army in 1957 & what I have learned from movies & TV. :) > > GramPaHugs, (my version of reiki) ^_^ > Alex, > > > Garry > > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:17:50 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > :) > > >I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > > >how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > > >OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it > > >walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other > > >ways. > > > > > >Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > > >whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > > >same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being > > >treated. (Oschman) > > > > > >*IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > > >healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > > >talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. > > >The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > > > > >Peterz > > >www.onreiki.com > > :) > > -- > > Any information is included for informational > or entertainment purposes only, > No endorsement is implied or intended. > > **************************************************** > * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn > * AOL Click > * Don't worry about life, > * you're not going to survive it anyway > **************************************************** > ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 101 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <1GDlb.11965$RP2.716@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:38:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1066862333 65.33.138.52 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:38:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:38:53 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9884 > Garry wrote: > Agree with everything except the above. Reiki is also *a* name (not > *the* name--names come from cultures and languages, so to say that > there is only one name for a thing is often quite inaccurate) for the > Life Force Energy, as well as the name for a(some) particular > system(s) of accessing LIFE. > > Picking nits, > What I was saying is that Reiki is the name Usui applied to his system of accessing Energy. The energy itself is know by many names according to the culture studied. Sorry if I was not clear enough. -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:20:12 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: > > >First thing to remember is that Reiki is the name applied to a system of > >accessing Life force Energy. It is not the name of the Energy itself > >although it ( the Name Reiki) is used in writing and conversations as if it > >were the energies name. > > Agree with everything except the above. Reiki is also *a* name (not > *the* name--names come from cultures and languages, so to say that > there is only one name for a thing is often quite inaccurate) for the > Life Force Energy, as well as the name for a(some) particular > system(s) of accessing LFE. > > Picking nits, > > Garry > > >The Life force lives within all living things ( no exceptions). > >The Life Force is everywhere. > > > >All being draw on this Energy constantly in order to maintain what we call > >Life. > > > >At times our living experiences are draining (using) more Energy that we are > >naturally drawing and at such times we need to draw more in order to > >maintain our wellness to whatever degree possible. > >Hence it is that we have found various system of doing just that and Reiki > >is one such system. > > > >Some people do not need to be taught to draw additional energy, some do. > > > >Initiation is part of a process that teaches those who need to learn and it > >is needed by them. > >it is not needed by those who are already in tune with the process of > >drawing on Life force Energy (by whatever name). > > > >The Ability to draw energy comes from the individual receiving the > >initiation and from Creator not the person performing it. > > > > > >-- > >ShadowWolf > >http://www.mysticreiki.com > >http://www.reiki.net > >"Seann" wrote in message > >news:j39lb.424274$Lnr1.147078@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >> Hi again, > >> > >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune her > >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of > >weeks > >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > >> > >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > >> > >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > >> symbols and/or attunements? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Seann > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f972fcb.1106344@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> <1GDlb.11965$RP2.716@twister.tampabay.rr.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:42:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.5.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066873365 207.69.5.224 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:42:45 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:42:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9886 On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:38:53 GMT, "ShadowWolf" wrote: >> Garry wrote: >> Agree with everything except the above. Reiki is also *a* name (not >> *the* name--names come from cultures and languages, so to say that >> there is only one name for a thing is often quite inaccurate) for the >> Life Force Energy, as well as the name for a(some) particular >> system(s) of accessing LIFE. >> >> Picking nits, >> >What I was saying is that Reiki is the name Usui applied to his system of >accessing Energy. >The energy itself is know by many names according to the culture studied. >Sorry if I was not clear enough. From what one reads these days from those who say they are doing research, Usui didn't even call his system Reiki, it was called Usui-do (Usui Way) or Usui teate (Usui hand healing). But what Usui taught wasn't what Hayashi taught, and it's from Hayashi that Takata learned what we call Reiki these days. In _Living Reiki_ by Fran Brown, Takata is quoted as referring to the Life Force Energy as Reiki, so perhaps this usage of the name started with Takata? Of course, "ki" by itself has always been a word for "breath", "life force" and a bunch of other things in the Japanese language, and the "rei" part means "spiritual" or "universal" or gosh knows what else depending on what translation you believe. Garry, muddying already murky waters further ;-) ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f97336a.2033454@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 46 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:54:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.5.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066874040 207.69.5.224 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:54:00 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:54:00 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9887 On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:04:43 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: >Hi Garry, > >Nadie Niemand wrote: >> >> Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements >> makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. > >IME, Peter's theory does explain 'cases of self-attunement'. That is some people >can naturally attain the necessary mental state (in this thread, myself, Seann's >girl friend & Risha) while others need training to attain that state. Alex, I think *everyone* can naturally attain the necessary mental state, and can do it without training or special initiation ceremony. I think it's just a part of being human. A part that Westerners seldom suspect exists, but nevertheless it is a part of us, whether we realize it or not. Attunements, training and so forth probably just help us to be a little more consistent at doing it right. Sort of like, everyone learns how to walk and run (barring physiological reasons not to), and some can run faster than others because of good genes, good training or both. >I wouldn't say that a 'Self Attuned' person is doing Reiki, but as Shadow Wolf >said "that Reiki is *the name* applied to *a system* of accessing Life force >Energy" & *not* the name of the energy. See my separate reply to Shadowwolf. >> Thanks >> for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because >> it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts >> backgrounds? ;-) > >The only martial arts background I have is the training I received in the US >Army in 1957 & what I have learned from movies & TV. :) Did they teach kiai, qigong, etc in the US army back then? ;-) >GramPaHugs, (my version of reiki) ^_^ >Alex, Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:58:11 +0200 Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-85.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f973691.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 23 Oct 2003 04:01:53 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-85.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-85.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9893 "ShadowWolf" wrote in message news:zvDlb.11856$RP2.11004@twister.tampabay.rr.com... > You do not need to meditate to do Reiki, you can watch TV, Talk, look at the > birds out the ewindow etc. > You do not control the energy. ... and you can cook, walk, read, or work, etc, etc? What then does "doing reiki" mean? > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch > modalities. this is very convenient, isn't it? Reiki as THE exception from everything else. No responsibility, no effort, no control, no need to spend time, or focus on what you are doing or trying to achieve, and maybe still make some money out of it. Sounds like the perfect "new age dream". No pain and all gain. > The attunement process is merely a ritual which many people need in order to > accept they are able to perform. It is a form of permission from someone > qualified to teach Reiki. > > The attunement itself is between the receiver and creator. Creator? Of what? Where or what is s/he, it? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### Message-ID: <3F974627.92B04850@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:08:23 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1066878330 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:05:30 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:05:30 CDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!chi1.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9888 ShadowWolf wrote: > > "Alex Barna" wrote in message > news:3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com... > > > > I wouldn't say that a 'Self Attuned' person is doing Reiki, but as Shadow > Wolf > > said "that Reiki is *the name* applied to *a system* of accessing Life > force > > Energy" & *not* the name of the energy. > > > Ahh, you are correct in a manner of speaking but if the potential Reiki > person were told that they could indeed self attune to Reiki by a qualified > Reiki Teacher than they would indeed be doing Reiki. I would think that that would only apply if the energy was passed through the sender as in Reiki. I personally don't usually channel the energy through myself. I 'visualize' the energy accumulating around & in the person that I am sending to for the purpose of helping that person. That energy doesn't come from or through me. GramPaHugs, Alex, :) -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### Message-ID: <3F974C91.6488BAF3@mn.rr.com> From: Alex Barna Organization: WorldWide_Spam_killers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> <3f97336a.2033454@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:35:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.30.225.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.rdc-kc.rr.com 1066879975 65.30.225.94 (Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:32:55 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:32:55 CDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9889 Hi Garry, Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:04:43 GMT, Alex Barna wrote: > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > >> > >> Interesting food for thought, Peter. Your explanation of attunements > >> makes a nice, tidy theory, except for cases of self-attunement. > > > >IME, Peter's theory does explain 'cases of self-attunement'. That is some > >people can naturally attain the necessary mental state (in this thread, > >myself, Seann's girl friend & Risha) while others need training to attain > > that state. > > Alex, I think *everyone* can naturally attain the necessary mental > state, and can do it without training or special initiation ceremony. IMO it takes some level of 'belief in' or 'knowledge of' healing energy to be able to utilize it. After that it just takes, practice, practice, & lots of practice. > I think it's just a part of being human. A part that Westerners seldom > suspect exists, but nevertheless it is a part of us, whether we > realize it or not. Attunements, training and so forth probably just > help us to be a little more consistent at doing it right. Sort of > like, everyone learns how to walk and run (barring physiological > reasons not to), and some can run faster than others because of good > genes, good training or both. Agreed. > >I wouldn't say that a 'Self Attuned' person is doing Reiki, but as Shadow Wolf > >said "that Reiki is *the name* applied to *a system* of accessing Life force > >Energy" & *not* the name of the energy. > > See my separate reply to Shadowwolf. Interesting. > >> Thanks > >> for sharing! I wonder though if we see more or less eye to eye because > >> it's an airtight case, or is it because we both have martial arts > >> backgrounds? ;-) > > > >The only martial arts background I have is the training I received in the > >US Army in 1957 & what I have learned from movies & TV. :) > > Did they teach kiai, qigong, etc in the US army back then? ;-) It was called 'Jujitsu' & I don't know enough about kiai or qigong to say it was like them. > Garry GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * AOL Click * Don't worry about life, * you're not going to survive it anyway **************************************************** ###### Message-ID: <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:14:16 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066892430 81.62.179.60 (23 Oct 2003 09:00:30 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 167 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9890 ShadowWolf wrote: > Greetings, > > SNIP > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch > modalities. what is TT and HT ? > > > The attunement process is merely a ritual which many people need in order to > accept they are able to perform. It is a form of permission from someone > qualified to teach Reiki. > so attunement is just a formality but not an essential element for giving reiki > > The attunement itself is between the receiver and creator. > > Those EEG's are meaningless. I do not think so .. they just prove tehre is a different system opertaion in the brain while mediatting . The meditation, prayers, and most of the "holy" persons that performed miracles were practicing mediation, not necessarily in the Buddhist of Indian way I mean ..(crossed legged )mantras dance music put you in teh same mood as shamans do So this "meditation" has en effect on both lobes of the brain that it might explain as well the modified state of consciousness.. When you practice yoga and meditation you really feel you are changing ( it come out just this morning on US Time zine a front page about mediation -- I almost bought but did not .. ) Meditation in a long run and with assiduous practice of it changes your approach of reality and interpretation of it .. performed briefly before giving energy will put you "in the right mood" BTW when I do that my hands normallly slightly damp become dry .. and I feel a difference all over my body as if there is energy cumulated ready to be released .. :-) Usui when had enlightment was retired on the mountaisn Jesus was mediatating regularly at Getsemani Buddha was not in the middle of a market when had his enlightement ( I was not tehre anyway to witness) Theo Theo > > > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca... > > Here is another thought: > > > > I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard > of > > Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki > teacher - > > whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked > her > > where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. > > > > Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may > disagree) > > place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain > that > > state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) > > > > I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > > how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > > OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck > (it > > walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or > other > > ways. > > > > Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > > whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > > same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person > being > > treated. (Oschman) > > > > *IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > > healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > > talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" > process. > > The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com > > > > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > > > >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people > > but are > > > >not really 100% necessary > > > > > > Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of > > > an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people > > > involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters > > > is that of the attunee. > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > Garry > > > > > > > for some people they are .. > > > > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary > ,but > > it > > > >could not be harmful to > > > >receive attunemente . > > > >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect > > anyway > > > > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think > that > > it is > > > >a wonderful experience.. > > > > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean > > face > > > >to face ? > > > > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! > > > >Theo > > > > > > > >Seann wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi again, > > > >> > > > >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to > attune > > her > > > >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple > of > > weeks > > > >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she > > could > > > >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > > >> > > > >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > > > >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > > > >> > > > >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need > the > > > >> symbols and/or attunements? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> Seann > > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### Message-ID: <3F978CD6.8CECDE48@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:09:58 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> <1GDlb.11965$RP2.716@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <3f972fcb.1106344@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066895771 81.62.179.60 (23 Oct 2003 09:56:11 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 29 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9892 Hi Garry Nadie Niemand wrote: > SNIP > Reiki, so perhaps this usage of the name started with Takata? Of > course, "ki" by itself has always been a word for "breath", "life > force" and a bunch of other things in the Japanese language, and the > "rei" part means "spiritual" or "universal" or gosh knows what else > depending on what translation you believe. > > Garry, muddying already murky waters further ;-) well they used the words that were more suitable with the mentality of the period they lived in to express a concept .. Few years ago I was thinking to open a church of the "radiant energy" did not even know what Reiki was ( mean I did have the real intention to create a religion but in the number of existing naives I could have found adepts .it is a matter of statistics.. ) Maybe few houndreds years before before instead of Radiant and energy words that are modern I ushould have used Shining Spirit or Enlightening Spirit or Holy Ghost ( the dove with rays departig from her ) espression to define it as simple as that . we are discussing about the" sex of angels* here have a nice day Theo ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm840-13.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9895 Theo wrote: > > ShadowWolf wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > SNIP > > > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch > > modalities. > > what is TT and HT ? Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. sue ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f97c028.793670@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> <1GDlb.11965$RP2.716@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <3f972fcb.1106344@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F978CD6.8CECDE48@bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:46:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066909586 207.69.1.8 (Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:46:26 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:46:26 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9896 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:09:58 +0200, Theo wrote: >Hi Garry Hi Theo! > > well they used the words that were more suitable with the mentality of the >period they lived in to express a concept .. > Few years ago I was thinking to open a church of the "radiant energy" > did not even know what Reiki was ( mean I did have the real intention to >create a religion but in the number of existing naives I could have found >adepts .it is a matter of statistics.. ) >Maybe few houndreds years before before instead of Radiant and energy >words that are modern I ushould have used Shining Spirit or Enlightening >Spirit or Holy Ghost ( the dove with rays departig from her ) espression to >define it > as simple as that . > we are discussing about the" sex of angels* here > have a nice day > Theo Witch! Witch! They'll burn ya! LOL Have a great day, yourself! Garry ###### Message-ID: <3F97C374.CA4E289@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:03:00 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066909753 81.62.179.60 (23 Oct 2003 13:49:13 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 19 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9897 Thanks Suzee I get lost with all these abbreviations Theo suzee wrote: > Theo wrote: > > > > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch > > > modalities. > > > > what is TT and HT ? > > Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > sue ###### Message-ID: <3F97C4BB.8D1FA67A@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:08:27 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3f9673a7.1588238@news.west.earthlink.net> <1GDlb.11965$RP2.716@twister.tampabay.rr.com> <3f972fcb.1106344@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F978CD6.8CECDE48@bluewin.ch> <3f97c028.793670@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066910080 81.62.179.60 (23 Oct 2003 13:54:40 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 31 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9898 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > >Maybe few houndreds years before before instead of Radiant and energy > >words that are modern I ushould have used Shining Spirit or Enlightening > >Spirit or Holy Ghost ( the dove with rays departig from her ) espression to > >define it > > as simple as that . > > we are discussing about the" sex of angels* here > > have a nice day > > Theo > > Witch! Witch! They'll burn ya! LOL probably already happened.. I can manage burns quite well :-) > > > Have a great day, yourself! thanks you too Theo > > > Garry ###### Message-ID: <3F97C59D.9E626F45@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:12:13 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3f96be2a_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3f973694.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.179.60 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066910306 81.62.179.60 (23 Oct 2003 13:58:26 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 27 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9899 pr wrote: > "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message > news:memo.20031022184329.2404B@stuv.compulink.co.uk... > > (Theo) wrote: > > > > > do you know what makes 999 times tic and one times toc? > > > > Der millipede mit der vooden leg ... ;) > > do you know what makes 999 times tic and one times toc? > Theo <----- I thought this was the answer are you trying to insinuate I am a millipede...? Theo > > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f97c1b3.1189280@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> <3f97336a.2033454@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F974C91.6488BAF3@mn.rr.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:14:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066911292 207.69.1.8 (Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:14:52 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:14:52 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9900 On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:35:45 -0500, Alex Barna wrote: >> >The only martial arts background I have is the training I received in the >> >US Army in 1957 & what I have learned from movies & TV. :) >> >> Did they teach kiai, qigong, etc in the US army back then? ;-) > >It was called 'Jujitsu' & I don't know enough about kiai or qigong to say it >was like them. Sorry, Alex, I was being somewhat facetious with my question. Although I've never studied jujitsu, I don't believe they would have taught anything about ki or qi in the US army in 1957. I could be wrong, of course, just seems extremely unlikely due to our relationship with most of the Orient at that time, as well as the attitude of the scientific "Establishment". Some of the Oriental martial arts make use of internal awareness and sensitivity and movement of "energy" (qi or ki or etc) rather than muscular "brute force" (external martial arts). With the external martial arts, between two people of more or less equal skills, the biggest, strongest, fastest, meanest wins the day. With the internal martial arts, strength and size don't matter so much any more, it's the one with the most skill that comes out on top. Highly skilled internal martial artists perform in a relaxed, almost meditative manner and are very sensitive to the give and take of "energies". Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:21:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066911675 207.69.1.8 (Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:21:15 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:21:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9901 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: >Theo wrote: >> >> ShadowWolf wrote: >> >> > Greetings, >> > >> > SNIP >> >> > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch >> > modalities. >> >> what is TT and HT ? > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just because it was a nurse that came up with TT? Just idle speculation. Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f97c92c.3102920@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3f96be2a_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3f973694.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F97C59D.9E626F45@bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:23:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066911807 207.69.1.8 (Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:23:27 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:23:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9902 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:12:13 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >pr wrote: >> do you know what makes 999 times tic and one times toc? >> Theo <----- I thought this was the answer > > are you trying to insinuate I am a millipede...? >Theo Or maybe a strange grandfather clock. ;-) Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <5c2f55a78a2aeaf2450137a54bc5e386@news.teranews.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:44:20 GMT Lines: 32 From: suzee Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9903 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: > > >Theo wrote: > >> > >> ShadowWolf wrote: > >> > >> > Greetings, > >> > > >> > SNIP > >> > >> > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch > >> > modalities. > >> > >> what is TT and HT ? > > > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? I think that's probably likely. I'm sure in the beginning it was looked on as some quirky thing, but as doctors and hospital admins saw the good results it was accepted. Many nurses also use reiki and in some place that's become acceptable too. Must not be so woowoo voodoo if the nurses are doing it. ;) sue ###### Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:53:58 +0200 From: Theo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.83.185 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.83.185 Message-ID: <3f98159a$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066931610 62.202.83.185 (23 Oct 2003 19:53:30 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 40 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9906 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: > > >>Theo wrote: >> >>>ShadowWolf wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Greetings, >>>> >>>>SNIP >>> >>>>It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch >>>>modalities. >>> >>> what is TT and HT ? >> >>Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques >>which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body >>too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are >>somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? 'cose of kilian effect prob'ly > Just idle speculation. don't speculate timing is bad :-) right now! Theo > Garry > ###### Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:56:11 +0200 From: Theo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3f96be2a_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3f973694.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F97C59D.9E626F45@bluewin.ch> <3f97c92c.3102920@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3f97c92c.3102920@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.83.185 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.83.185 Message-ID: <3f98161f$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066931743 62.202.83.185 (23 Oct 2003 19:55:43 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 22 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tesion.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9907 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:12:13 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >> >>pr wrote: >> >>> do you know what makes 999 times tic and one times toc? >>> Theo <----- I thought this was the answer >> >>are you trying to insinuate I am a millipede...? >>Theo > > > Or maybe a strange grandfather clock. ;-) whatddyamean that I have a glitch? tic tic tic tic TOC! > The-O ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:07:51 +0200 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-157.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f98295d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 23 Oct 2003 21:17:49 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-157.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.tpinternet.pl!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-157.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9909 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? Most likely because it does not involve touching the client. From what I hear the Americans have to be sh*t scared of anything that involves touch, or help, or assistance, for fear of getting sued. With such a scenario, Therapeutic and Healing touch that does not involve touching must look like a blessing. PR ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:51:19 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:49:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9c2dnR_5NvelrAWiRVn-ug@magma.ca> Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.132 X-Trace: sv3-cYfX/GKcLB2FAariMCNH8QtjPAZi40IAo9y5w6ThNN6OcRZ/xEaeu0i0ZConZGhnskjhNUNdb5bCxYD!BV3+IPVSoZQYA0HhEeeKCUAnNgexmuuaHGqGrTPmEMOT6gbUaVzR1UPsgGtWHg+HpWFFqREllA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9910 Hi Garry I spend my time trying to get Reiki programmes in hospitals and such and as best as I can figure out, that is exactly why. I know a lot of nurses who are trained in more than one of these systems (TT and Reiki being the most common combo). The consensus is that TT is more accepted in NA because the system was created by a NA nurse and taught to same. Peterz www.onreiki.com "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: > > >Theo wrote: > >> > >> ShadowWolf wrote: > >> > >> > Greetings, > >> > > >> > SNIP > >> > >> > It is this approach that seperates Reiki from TT, HT and other touch > >> > modalities. > >> > >> what is TT and HT ? > > > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? > > Just idle speculation. > > Garry > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:09:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.243.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1066957783 162.83.243.160 (Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:09:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:09:43 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9922 hi seann, when a person can heal without an attunement i dont know if there is is a difference in the energy or just a difference in semantics,but i do know that i have experienced what you talked about as well. my boyfriend who is not attuned to reiki has a very healing quality about him in general. people just feel at ease wtih him, but also if i have a headache he places his hands on my head and it feels better. he did this for me before i ever became attuned to reiki so i found it really impressive (now i'm like, "yeah, big deal--i can do it too!" ;). even though neither of us was attuned to reiki we knew of hands on healing and i had reiki sessions before so we just thought that we would have him try placing his hands on my head and see what happens. for some reason i only feel the energy when his hands are at my head. i also feel a transfer of energy if we put our heads together. i also used to meet with a small healing group a few months back. two of the people who attended sometimes were sisters, (daughters and grandaughters of 2 of the women who are attuned to reiki). one sister was a 16 year old not attuned, and the other a 19 year old with autism who is not attuned. the 16 year old joined us for a group session and the recipient felt the energy from her and the 19 year old autistic girl has an intuitive sense of where to place her hands and you can feel the energy coming very strong from her. when i was on the table she placed her hand on my side, in the area of my abdomen and it was a place i wouldn't have gone to on my own because i didn't feel a need, but when she placed her hand there i felt intense heat immediately and it felt like her hand needed to be there. her mother got her attention though and instructed her to place her hands on my hands instead. i didnt say anything but i wanted to tell her mother to please let her follow her intuition and keep her hand there because it felt very right to me. anyway long story short, i saw firsthand how it is possible to transfer energy without a reiki attunement, whether or not it is reiki i have no idea, but i think healing is healing and we are all capable. my opinion is that some people are just more in tune with it than others for whatever reason. i also think that perhaps some people are more sensitive to actually detecting the energy. people pat each other on the back, rub each other's backs or put their hands on others shoulders and stuff all the time, these are casual gestures, but there is a need to reach out and touch others and there is surely a healing aspect to those fleeting touches too. if we raised our awaremenss of it perhaps we would feel a constant exchange of healing energy in these gestures. just a thought. -ginger ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f989103.477939@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> <3f98159a$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:36:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.3.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066962998 207.69.3.146 (Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:36:38 PDT) gdwill@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:36:38 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9924 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:53:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > 'cose of kilian effect prob'ly Would that be Killian's Red? One of my favorites! >> Just idle speculation. > don't speculate timing is bad :-) right now! Is that astrologically speaking? I'm not up on that sort of thing. Is Mars going retrograde or something? Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <8bbb47b97d23061002802bb2de2ef028@news.teranews.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:39:57 GMT Lines: 29 From: suzee Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> <3f98295d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9925 pr wrote: > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: > > > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > > >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > > >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > > >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? > > Most likely because it does not involve touching the client. > From what I hear the Americans have to be sh*t scared > of anything that involves touch, or help, or assistance, > for fear of getting sued. > With such a scenario, Therapeutic and Healing touch > that does not involve touching must look like a blessing. That isn't quite true. Many people use hands on touch in a health care setting, such as massage, reiki. The few instances of a practioner (of anything, dentist, psychiatrist, whatever) accused of sexual misconduct are rare. sue ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:15:07 +0200 Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-26-65.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f98ae22.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 24 Oct 2003 06:44:18 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-26-65.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-26-65.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9929 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:40:35 -0400, suzee wrote: > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? > > Just idle speculation. Maybe it does not matter at all whether it is touch or no touch or where you put your hands. Maybe it is just the fact that somebody takes the time to be with the client and is there for the client only and nothing else -- which would also mean that you cannot do reiki while doing something else. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "R. Bonk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:11:25 +0100 Organization: FTEL Lines: 74 Message-ID: <3F98FACD.B745B491@ftel.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: europa.ftel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-out.ftel.co.uk 1066990292 1840 172.16.2.98 (24 Oct 2003 10:11:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ftel.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:11:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!news-out.ftel.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9931 gingerobyn wrote: > > hi seann, > > when a person can heal without an attunement i dont know if there > is is a difference in the energy or just a difference in semantics,but > i do know that i have experienced what you talked about as well. > my boyfriend who is not attuned to reiki has a very healing quality > about him in general. people just feel at ease wtih him, but also if i > have a headache he places his hands on my head and it feels better. > he did this for me before i ever became attuned to reiki so i found > it really impressive (now i'm like, "yeah, big deal--i can do it > too!" ;). even though neither of us was attuned to reiki we knew of > hands on healing and i had reiki sessions before so we just thought > that we would have him try placing his hands on my head and see > what happens. for some reason i only feel the energy when his > hands are at my head. i also feel a transfer of energy if we put our > heads together. > > i also used to meet with a small healing group a few months back. > two of the people who attended sometimes were sisters, (daughters > and grandaughters of 2 of the women who are attuned to reiki). one > sister was a 16 year old not attuned, and the other a 19 year old > with autism who is not attuned. the 16 year old joined us for a > group session and the recipient felt the energy from her and the 19 > year old autistic girl has an intuitive sense of where to place her > hands and you can feel the energy coming very strong from her. > when i was on the table she placed her hand on my side, in the area > of my abdomen and it was a place i wouldn't have gone to on my > own because i didn't feel a need, but when she placed her hand > there i felt intense heat immediately and it felt like her hand needed > to be there. her mother got her attention though and instructed her to > place her hands on my hands instead. i didnt say anything but i > wanted to tell her mother to please let her follow her intuition and > keep her hand there because it felt very right to me. > > anyway long story short, i saw firsthand how it is possible to > transfer energy without a reiki attunement, whether or not it is reiki > i have no idea, but i think healing is healing and we are all > capable. my opinion is that some people are just more in tune with > it than others for whatever reason. > > i also think that perhaps some people are more sensitive to actually > detecting the energy. people pat each other on the back, rub each > other's backs or put their hands on others shoulders and stuff all the > time, these are casual gestures, but there is a need to reach out and > touch others and there is surely a healing aspect to those fleeting > touches too. if we raised our awaremenss of it perhaps we would > feel a constant exchange of healing energy in these gestures. just a > thought. > > -ginger Hi Ginger, you have nice healthy name, hehe... I have no Reiki atunement, but from my own experience I can say few things. I don't feel like to touch someone without reason or without this person's permission. But when I am near soemone who suffer (In bus, train, on the street etc.) I have very strong feeling of "compassion". Sometimes I know I can't help that person, I just send some healing energy, but it's not enough. When I can't help someone I feel very sad. Sometimes cry for few minutes or even a hour (or so). I can't tolerate other people's suffering. If I have pain I don't mind, but I can't stand if someone else has pain. I can feel it as well. If I am healing someone I know exactly where the pain is - because I can feel it almost like my own. If I could take all pain of the universe on me - all my pain will stop. Wish you all the best. Love and Light Risha ###### Message-ID: <3F991D6C.1A6B9EB@bluewin.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:39:08 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> <3f98159a$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3f989103.477939@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.178.31 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.178.31 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066998318 81.62.178.31 (24 Oct 2003 14:25:18 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 28 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9934 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:53:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > 'cose of kilian effect prob'ly > > Would that be Killian's Red? One of my favorites! An Ale? > > > >> Just idle speculation. > > don't speculate timing is bad :-) right now! > > Is that astrologically speaking? I'm not up on that sort of thing. Is > Mars going retrograde or something? hummm intersted in astrology ? in fact I dunno I was thinking stock exchange.. Theo > > > Garry ###### Message-ID: <3F991FF0.13302A8A@bluewin.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:49:53 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> <3f98ae22.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.178.31 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.178.31 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1066998963 81.62.178.31 (24 Oct 2003 14:36:03 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9936 pr wrote: > > >Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch. These are energy healing techniques > > >which work more in the aura field, though there can be touch of the body > > >too. Many nurses here in the US learn these tehcniques and they are > > >somewhat acceptable by mainstream medicine. > > > > Sue, I was just thinking, why would mainstream science be quicker to > > accept working in the "aura field" than "hands on" healing? Is it just > > because it was a nurse that came up with TT? > > > > Just idle speculation. > > Maybe it does not matter at all whether it is > touch or no touch or where you put your > hands. Curing and intruding in someone else's mind while having sex is one of the possibilities of Tantric sex and in these moments your blood concenteration is in a different location that in the brain.. so must be something else! Maybe the merging of both Auras and an exchange that sets in might be a possibility Theo > > Maybe it is just the fact that somebody takes > the time to be with the client and is there for > the client only and nothing else -- which would > also mean that you cannot do reiki while doing > something else. this is true .. could we talk of the sensations that each of us feel when giving reiki to ourselves and when giving to other people what sort of sensations do we experience ? I guess it might be an interesting information for everybody Theo > > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f9924ce.3969028@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> <3f98159a$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3f989103.477939@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F991D6C.1A6B9EB@bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 34 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:07:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1067000844 207.69.1.175 (Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:07:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:07:24 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7510546c!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9937 On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:39:08 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:53:58 +0200, Theo wrote: >> >> > 'cose of kilian effect prob'ly >> >> Would that be Killian's Red? One of my favorites! > > An Ale? Yes---yum! >> >> >> >> Just idle speculation. >> > don't speculate timing is bad :-) right now! >> >> Is that astrologically speaking? I'm not up on that sort of thing. Is >> Mars going retrograde or something? > > hummm intersted in astrology ? > in fact I dunno I was thinking stock exchange.. Good point! Some of my stocks were finally starting to crawl out of the mud until this week something happened and they scurried back to the pits. :-( Oh, well. Patience is a virtue! Garry ###### From: "Seann" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:58:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.48.145.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1067007481 65.48.145.88 (Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:58:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:58:01 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.mountaincable.net!cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9940 Thank you Ginger for your thoughtful and sincere reply !!! Cheers "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:rZ_lb.18680$Fc5.8073@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > hi seann, > > when a person can heal without an attunement i dont know if there > is is a difference in the energy or just a difference in semantics,but > i do know that i have experienced what you talked about as well. > my boyfriend who is not attuned to reiki has a very healing quality > about him in general. people just feel at ease wtih him, but also if i > have a headache he places his hands on my head and it feels better. > he did this for me before i ever became attuned to reiki so i found > it really impressive (now i'm like, "yeah, big deal--i can do it > too!" ;). even though neither of us was attuned to reiki we knew of > hands on healing and i had reiki sessions before so we just thought > that we would have him try placing his hands on my head and see > what happens. for some reason i only feel the energy when his > hands are at my head. i also feel a transfer of energy if we put our > heads together. > > i also used to meet with a small healing group a few months back. > two of the people who attended sometimes were sisters, (daughters > and grandaughters of 2 of the women who are attuned to reiki). one > sister was a 16 year old not attuned, and the other a 19 year old > with autism who is not attuned. the 16 year old joined us for a > group session and the recipient felt the energy from her and the 19 > year old autistic girl has an intuitive sense of where to place her > hands and you can feel the energy coming very strong from her. > when i was on the table she placed her hand on my side, in the area > of my abdomen and it was a place i wouldn't have gone to on my > own because i didn't feel a need, but when she placed her hand > there i felt intense heat immediately and it felt like her hand needed > to be there. her mother got her attention though and instructed her to > place her hands on my hands instead. i didnt say anything but i > wanted to tell her mother to please let her follow her intuition and > keep her hand there because it felt very right to me. > > anyway long story short, i saw firsthand how it is possible to > transfer energy without a reiki attunement, whether or not it is reiki > i have no idea, but i think healing is healing and we are all > capable. my opinion is that some people are just more in tune with > it than others for whatever reason. > > > i also think that perhaps some people are more sensitive to actually > detecting the energy. people pat each other on the back, rub each > other's backs or put their hands on others shoulders and stuff all the > time, these are casual gestures, but there is a need to reach out and > touch others and there is surely a healing aspect to those fleeting > touches too. if we raised our awaremenss of it perhaps we would > feel a constant exchange of healing energy in these gestures. just a > thought. > > -ginger > > > ###### From: "Seann" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 115 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:00:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.48.145.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1067011242 65.48.145.88 (Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:00:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:00:42 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9941 Hi Peter, I just realized I know you through Wendy M. How are you doing anyway? Cheers "Peterz" wrote in message news:89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca... > Here is another thought: > > I met my Reiki Master at a seminar teaching Ki in Aikido (I had not heard of > Reiki before, but she had mentioned at lunch that she was a Reiki teacher - > whatever that was). She could not do a particular exercise until I asked her > where she "went" when she did Reiki, and she did it. > > Point being: she got through Reiki to the "same" (I say - some may disagree) > place that we got by training. (The Aikido training is also to maintain that > state under attack, rarely needed in Reiki... :~o ) > > I think that the attunement may be a programming thing to tell your system > how to do something. "Here - I am in this state, you can do it too." "Oh. > OK." But you can get to it or a state that is as much like it as a duck (it > walks like a duck, it quacks,...) through training (aikido, qigong) or other > ways. > > Someone spent 10 years doing EEGs on healers from all disciplines, each of > whom claimed to be doing something unique. Result - they all went to the > same "place" (alpha brain waves, resonance at 8Hz), as did the person being > treated. (Oschman) > > *IMO* we are doing the same thing as TT, healing touch, Shamans, Qi Gong > healers ... (form is irrelevant - substance of the state is what I am > talking about). Reiki folks just get there through the "attunement" process. > The process may be unique, but the result is not. > > Peterz > www.onreiki.com > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net... > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:33:58 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > >I personally think that Attunements open the self confidence in people > but are > > >not really 100% necessary > > > > Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head. The most important part of > > an attunement is the intent, and, for my money, of the two people > > involved, the attuner and the attunee, the intent that really matters > > is that of the attunee. > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > > > > > for some people they are .. > > > If one already believes to be able to give Reiki is not necessary ,but > it > > >could not be harmful to > > >receive attunemente . > > >But some readings and some studies and practice will make it perfect > anyway > > > When I read some witnesses of people that has been attuned I think that > it is > > >a wonderful experience.. > > > Will I have the same great experience if attuned by a person , I mean > face > > >to face ? > > > This is my unanswred personal question for the moment! > > >Theo > > > > > >Seann wrote: > > > > > >> Hi again, > > >> > > >> My friend and I practiced reiki the other night. I was going to attune > her > > >> but she just had some healing work done and wanted to wait a couple of > weeks > > >> first. So instead, I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she > could > > >> feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > >> > > >> She does not know the symbols and has never had attunements. So is it > > >> possible some people are naturally attuned? > > >> > > >> This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > > >> symbols and/or attunements? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Seann > > > > > > > ###### Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:05:40 +0200 From: Theo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3F977FC8.D311CD71@bluewin.ch> <3F97BE33.2384412D@imbris.com> <3f97c85f.2897425@news.west.earthlink.net> <3f98159a$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> <3f989103.477939@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F991D6C.1A6B9EB@bluewin.ch> <3f9924ce.3969028@news.west.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3f9924ce.3969028@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.9.52 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.9.52 Message-ID: <3f9969ef$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1067018735 81.62.9.52 (24 Oct 2003 20:05:35 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 28 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9945 Nadie Niemand wrote: >>> >>>Would that be Killian's Red? One of my favorites! >> >>An Ale? > > > Yes---yum! drunkard! :-) >>hummm intersted in astrology ? >> in fact I dunno I was thinking stock exchange.. > Good point! Some of my stocks were finally starting to crawl out of > the mud until this week something happened and they scurried back to > the pits. :-( Oh, well. Patience is a virtue! well with the US dolla manipulations , the US rising debt the stock exchange will stay fragile for a while Would US takee the challenge with China for the space conquest , stop making wars around the planet :-) maybe the whole economy might soar again Love light and bucks Theo ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F98FACD.B745B491@ftel.co.uk> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:31:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.145.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1067049094 162.83.145.34 (Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:31:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:31:34 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!zen.net.uk!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9956 > > Hi Ginger, you have nice healthy name, hehe... hmm. yeah. funny, my name is a good reminder for me that i really need ginger in my diet. helps with my digestion and increasing heat. But when I am near soemone who suffer (In bus, > train, on the street etc.) I have very strong feeling of "compassion". > Sometimes I know I can't help that person, I just send some healing > energy, but it's not enough. When I can't help someone I feel very sad. > Sometimes cry for few minutes or even a hour (or so). I can't tolerate > other people's suffering. i have a similar experience sometimes. maybe not as extreme. my tears will only last for a short time, or i just well up without crying, but i do get very down at various times when i feel that someone is suffering or when i pass certain people who just seem to be in some kind of pain or turmoil. i feel torn between wondering if its a boundary issue that i need to take hold of and recognize that their pain is not my pain, or if perhaps it is my own suffering that i am sad for but it is easier to project it on to others and have compassion for them rather than have compassion for myself. If I have pain I don't mind, but I can't stand > if someone else has pain. i can't take my own pain either. yuck to pain. whether its someone elses or mine. well. . . not exactly true. i do appreciate when i learn from my pain. it usually tells me something. its when i don't know what the pain means that i get annoyed by it and can't handle it. I can feel it as well. If I am healing someone > I know exactly where the pain is - because I can feel it almost like my own. that is a gift for certain. > > If I could take all pain of the universe on me - all my pain will stop. but you don't want to take all of the pain on you, you want to transform it. the difference is important i think. if you take on too much of others pain you will become unhealthy and won't be able to help anyone as you wish to. i think you do transform others pain and i thank you for that, but i hope that you don't burden yourself. please don't! -ginger ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> <3F974627.92B04850@mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:11:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1067188269 65.33.138.52 (Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:11:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:11:09 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9998 -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "Alex Barna" wrote in message news:3F974627.92B04850@mn.rr.com... > ShadowWolf wrote: > > > > "Alex Barna" wrote in message > > news:3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com... > > > > > Ahh, you are correct in a manner of speaking but if the potential Reiki > > person were told that they could indeed self attune to Reiki by a qualified > > Reiki Teacher than they would indeed be doing Reiki. > > I would think that that would only apply if the energy was passed through the > sender as in Reiki. I personally don't usually channel the energy through > myself. I 'visualize' the energy accumulating around & in the person that I am > sending to for the purpose of helping that person. That energy doesn't come from > or through me. > > GramPaHugs, > Alex, > One must keep in mind that although there are many theories regarding how the energy is passed in Reiki and other modalities and how attunements are passed it remains a fact that No One actually knows. Since Reiki is merely the name of one system of accessing Energy (Apply any name you like) and since in order to claim you are doing Reiki (the system) you are required (by the reiki people) to receive a initiation (Attunement) from a reiki Master teacher. Therefore as long as the Reiki Master teacher confirms that you have received attunement no one can say you are not able to do Reiki. I agree that the energy is everywhere and it would seem silly to continue to believe that it had to pass through one person before going in another person. It is faster, simpler and purer to go direct. I have always taught that the teacher is only a guide to assist the pupil in accepting that which they already are capable of. ###### Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:30:51 +0100 From: Theo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: <3F9527B6.22C87C1E@bluewin.ch> <3f95c3d2.2314867@news.west.earthlink.net> <89KdnQbhtNEu-guiU-KYgw@magma.ca> <3f96702b.696307@news.west.earthlink.net> <3F96D54D.1151F171@mn.rr.com> <3F974627.92B04850@mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.4.94 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.4.94 Message-ID: <3f9c2eee_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1067200238 81.62.4.94 (26 Oct 2003 21:30:38 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 24 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9999 ShadowWolf wrote: HI Agreed 100% Theo > One must keep in mind that although there are many theories regarding how > the energy is passed in Reiki and other modalities and how attunements are > passed it remains a fact that No One actually knows. > Since Reiki is merely the name of one system of accessing Energy (Apply any > name you like) and since in order to claim you are doing Reiki (the system) > you are required (by the reiki people) to receive a initiation (Attunement) > from a reiki Master teacher. > Therefore as long as the Reiki Master teacher confirms that you have > received attunement no one can say you are not able to do Reiki. > > I agree that the energy is everywhere and it would seem silly to continue to > believe that it had to pass through one person before going in another > person. It is faster, simpler and purer to go direct. > > I have always taught that the teacher is only a guide to assist the pupil in > accepting that which they already are capable of. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:41:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:40:36 +1300 From: user@domain.invalid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Customer of Mercury Telecommunications Ltd Message-ID: <1067204474.354434@drone5.qsi.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: drone5.qsi.net.nz!unknown@tnt1-179.quicksilver.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: drone5-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz X-Original-Trace: 27 Oct 2003 10:41:31 +1300, drone5-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-DjdB7lIzPM1kedbMoyh+/iGeiY7Cnh5PC3hwRiEJ0XyDM/ojz7g9j5W1k3CRFJafIPFOcRD22iLhybp!i7dgvIRm5+jXnuFf68qapUKYlf2iCnLMAaPMzA4FVd2adPKtWzyUfO1VaIkD6yOESzdAtW+QNQ== X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:10005 Seann wrote: > I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > symbols and/or attunements? If one does not have the accoutrements of Reiki then what is the purpose in calling it Reiki? If you knock someone to the ground have you just perfomed karate? capoeira? wu shu? or merely walked into them accidentally? There are lots of ways to get results but you might as well say that making swallowing gestures to a native of Swaziland who then dutifully offers you a drink means you have successfully communicated in Siswati. If you start throwing away the things which comprise a system then do you still have the system or do you have to come up with a new name? Dale ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <1067204474.354434@drone5.qsi.net.nz> Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:03:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1067209433 65.33.138.52 (Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:03:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:03:53 EST Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:10007 Hi Dale, wrote in message news:1067204474.354434@drone5.qsi.net.nz... > Seann wrote: > > I let her pretend to give me reiki. She said she could > > feel the energy. Even weirder, I could feel the energy too!! > > This of course brings to mind the bigger question, do we even need the > > symbols and/or attunements? > > If one does not have the accoutrements of Reiki then what is the purpose > in calling it Reiki? > What exactly are the accoutrements of Reiki currently? What with all the add ons and variations currently being used and with all the variations of stories as to the "Real" reiki history, complete with 12 people over 100 and a Nun etc (none of which will come forward) What with the multitude of variations of attunement processes, additional symbols, mantras and meditations, special hand placements and so on and so on... what exactly are they? > If you knock someone to the ground have you just perfomed karate? > capoeira? wu shu? or merely walked into them accidentally? > Karate is not about knocking someone to the ground but I do get your point anyhow. True there are many ways to do Energy work and many ways to knock someone to the ground. In both cases the results are the same regardless of the means employed or the name applied. > There are lots of ways to get results but you might as well say that > making swallowing gestures to a native of Swaziland who then dutifully > offers you a drink means you have successfully communicated in Siswati. > But you certainly have. > If you start throwing away the things which comprise a system then do > you still have the system or do you have to come up with a new name? > > Dale Since there ceases to be any standard which is commonly agreed there ceases to be a system unless one were to say that the system is merely accessing Energy without the need for the exytras, ###### From: "R. Bonk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Can give reiki without attunements? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:40:55 +0000 Organization: FTEL Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3F9CDA17.68FD7DEF@ftel.co.uk> References: <3F98FACD.B745B491@ftel.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: europa.ftel.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-out.ftel.co.uk 1067244064 6813 172.16.2.98 (27 Oct 2003 08:41:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ftel.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:41:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewsoutpeer01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsinpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!news-out.ftel.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:10017 > I can feel it as well. If I am healing someone > > I know exactly where the pain is - because I can feel it almost like my > own. > > that is a gift for certain. Some could see it as curse...hmmm........but I don't. I like to see others smiling - I can smile with them!!!! (It looks stupid if you smile when other are crying...) > > > > If I could take all pain of the universe on me - all my pain will stop. > > but you don't want to take all of the pain on you, you want > to transform it. the difference is important i think. if you > take on too much of others pain you will become unhealthy and > won't be able to help anyone as you wish to. i think you do > transform others pain and i thank you for that, but i hope that > you don't burden yourself. please don't! > > -ginger I'm not going to burden myself....especially if you will feel sad then...... Please smile....and keep smiling!!!! Life is how we want it to be.....if we want to have it nice, let's do it! Love and light Risha