From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:39:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.217.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1065461963 162.83.217.83 (Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:39:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:39:23 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9277 last thursday might i did a one hour reiki session on a friend. that day i had foot pain in my left foot and had been limping around all day. i told my friend not to worry about me, that i could still give her the reiki session because i would be able to get out of my own head and wouldn't even be aware of the pain while i worked on her. and that was true. my friend enjoyed her session, and i thought it was a good session. the next morning my friend woke up with a pain in her left foot in the very place i had it! she said it went away shortly but she thought it was interesting and left me a message on my voice mail to tell me about it. anyone have any opinions about this? when i first started to explore reiki one of my fears was that i would pass negative energy onto others, or transfer my own pain, fears, whatever. i was assured by reiki people that this was not the case, i am pretty sure i was assured by people in this group. i let those fears go as far as i know, and i dont remember suggesting to my friend that i might transfer any pain to her. i don't remember her telling me she feared it. so i wonder what happened there? does anyone think that i did transfer the pain to her? perhaps she was intuiting my pain for some reason? or perhaps it was just some strange coincidence? what is the deal? curious to know what others think. thanks. -ginger ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:21:00 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:20:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.152 X-Trace: sv3-HDIJZbnq1i13xEM7K8dsqnMxEKrm/uxvydGPuwwuoK+2FvQtYa1MRl8FeHPiVlpG26VGKk1pR0lbMhU!NyH4Ixui/ZGgPjEEzlVx5dParz65mLjpX+zUNqWq0BgDeCUJSpQDpgMOoBp84ozWtKSr1YxnbXMb X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9279 Ginger: Sometimes I get a sense of tension or something in my body for a while until the Ki starts to flow, and I have felt that it is often in the same place or way as that in the recipient's body. Once the flow has started though, it "releases". It may be my way of intuiting where the person needs some attention... What you describe is the reverse. Perhaps your friend was experiencing what I do - she may have a well-developed intuition. (I know! Get her trained in Reiki and next time she can do it for you!) Best I can do... Peterz "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:fNhgb.30148$541.24554@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > last thursday might i did a one hour reiki session on a friend. that > day i had foot pain in my left foot and had been limping around all > day. i told my friend not to worry about me, that i could still give > her the reiki session because i would be able to get out of my own > head and wouldn't even be aware of the pain while i worked on > her. and that was true. my friend enjoyed her session, and i thought > it was a good session. the next morning my friend woke up with a > pain in her left foot in the very place i had it! she said it went away > shortly but she thought it was interesting and left me a message on > my voice mail to tell me about it. > > anyone have any opinions about this? when i first started to explore > reiki one of my fears was that i would pass negative energy onto > others, or transfer my own pain, fears, whatever. i was assured by > reiki people that this was not the case, i am pretty sure i was > assured by people in this group. i let those fears go as far as i > know, and i dont remember suggesting to my friend that i might > transfer any pain to her. i don't remember her telling me she feared > it. so i wonder what happened there? does anyone think that i did > transfer the pain to her? perhaps she was intuiting my pain for some > reason? or perhaps it was just some strange coincidence? what is > the deal? curious to know what others think. thanks. > -ginger > > ###### Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:14:52 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.21 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.21 Message-ID: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065474879 62.203.115.21 (6 Oct 2003 23:14:39 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 40 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9282 I think that Meditation is good for that , to calm down your inner problems.. To do this before doing Reiki or doing it on a daily basis is in my opinion very good as well After all even shrinks get cheched periodically bym othres shrinks doing Hatsurei-y Ho regularly and cleansing our negative energies in the beginning of each Hatsure-ho session must have a reason to be placed there ! :-) Theo gingerobyn wrote: > last thursday might i did a one hour reiki session on a friend. that > day i had foot pain in my left foot and had been limping around all > day. i told my friend not to worry about me, that i could still give > her the reiki session because i would be able to get out of my own > head and wouldn't even be aware of the pain while i worked on > her. and that was true. my friend enjoyed her session, and i thought > it was a good session. the next morning my friend woke up with a > pain in her left foot in the very place i had it! she said it went away > shortly but she thought it was interesting and left me a message on > my voice mail to tell me about it. > > anyone have any opinions about this? when i first started to explore > reiki one of my fears was that i would pass negative energy onto > others, or transfer my own pain, fears, whatever. i was assured by > reiki people that this was not the case, i am pretty sure i was > assured by people in this group. i let those fears go as far as i > know, and i dont remember suggesting to my friend that i might > transfer any pain to her. i don't remember her telling me she feared > it. so i wonder what happened there? does anyone think that i did > transfer the pain to her? perhaps she was intuiting my pain for some > reason? or perhaps it was just some strange coincidence? what is > the deal? curious to know what others think. thanks. > -ginger > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:28:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.217.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1065493727 162.84.217.235 (Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:28:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:28:47 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9287 Perhaps your friend was experiencing what > I do - she may have a well-developed intuition. that was one of the things i was thinking because she does have great intuition as far i can see. that is what i am hoping is the case, because i don't want to consider that i passed it to her or that she "took" my pain on. needless to say, mine didn't go away! it's gradually subsided over the past few days and is just this little nagging thing, nothing that's making me limp anymore. (I know! Get her trained in > Reiki and next time she can do it for you!) yeah! who knows maybe one day i will become attuned to master adn attuen her. she would be open to it. her healing comes in different ways though. well she is one of those friends where just being in her presence is healing. she is a friend from highschool who knows me well and accepts me no matter what. when we were talking the other day she was telling me about a situation at work and was using all of this professional speak and i said "hey, who are you? this is not my highschool jigisha!" she pointed at my reiki table and said "this is not my highschool ginger!!" it was amusing. but it's great when you can be with a friend you don't see often but who really does know and accept the inner you regardless of how long it's been and how you are evolving. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:33:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.217.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1065494039 162.84.217.235 (Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:33:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:33:59 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9288 I think that Meditation is good for that , to calm down your inner > problems.. the issue for me wasn't about calming inner thoughts, it was a physcial manfestation of pain that was there. (i guess meditation helps with that too). during the session i was able to separate from the pain and didn't even feel it. my mind was pretty quiet for much of the session too. not all, but most. perhaps i should have been working on myself instead of on my friend. . .but that was the opportunity we had to get together and do the session. the question i am trying to determine is what exactly happened to make her wake up feeling a pain in her foot like i did? are you suggesting that i did transfer negative energies to her? or were you responding to a different part of my comments? thanks. ginger ###### From: "Arieh" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:49:14 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhbw-ip-nas-1-p215.telkom-ipnet.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 1065502141 29387 155.239.83.215 (7 Oct 2003 04:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2003 04:49:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!lon1-news.nildram.net!zen.net.uk!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9291 hi Ginger What your friend seems to have experienced is transference of a healing issue that you may need to explore, in the same way that we should try to seal our own aura's prior to commencing a healing in order to limit transference of the pain / issue to ourselves so too do we need to consider and manifest in the same process, that we need to ensure that our issue(s) are likewise not transferred to our client / patient etc. I would humbly advise that you spend a little time prior to each session centering yourself with the intention that the session involve a transference of energy in a maner conducive to bringing healing to the client. I note that some comments seem to suggest that your friend has an intuition for healing and this may be the reason she picked up on the foot issue, perhaps this is so and she may be sensitive to you, or just generally sensitive to energies and it is something worth exploring, if she wants to look at that path. Just my two cents worth Arieh "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:rCpgb.27796$kD3.2417@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... > I think that Meditation is good for that , to calm down your inner > > problems.. > > the issue for me wasn't about calming inner thoughts, it was a > physcial manfestation of pain that was there. (i guess meditation helps with > that too). during the session i was able to > separate from the pain and didn't even feel it. my mind was pretty > quiet for much of the session too. not all, but most. perhaps i should > have been working on myself instead of on my friend. . .but that > was the opportunity we had to get together and do the session. the > question i am trying to determine is what exactly happened to make > her wake up feeling a pain in her foot like i did? are you suggesting > that i did transfer negative energies to her? or were you > responding to a different part of my comments? thanks. ginger > > > ###### Message-ID: <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:29:04 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.74.237 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.74.237 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065510959 62.203.74.237 (7 Oct 2003 09:15:59 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 33 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9292 Hi I do not want to insist but many of our physical problems are mentally originated if you have a wound and feel pain maybe you could transfeer the the other person if she is sensible "she feels what you feel" but if your pain is due to an inner stress or whatever hidden thing is bugging you and gods knows if mind is elusive and smart in hiding its problems under fake palissades , you might transfer temporarely to the other person the" glitch" you have in fact with Reiki when transferring energy the sender and recipient are tuned in throught the energy .. This is why the sender must be stronger and better trained and be able to insulate his mind and also to insulate himself from the other's mind It is my personal point of view.. Theo gingerobyn wrote: > I think that Meditation is good for that , to calm down your inner > > problems.. > > the issue for me wasn't about calming inner thoughts, it was a > physcial manfestation of pain that was there. (i guess meditation helps with > that too). during the session i was able to > separate from the pain and didn't even feel it. my mind was pretty > quiet for much of the session too. not all, but most. perhaps i should > have been working on myself instead of on my friend. . .but that > was the opportunity we had to get together and do the session. the > question i am trying to determine is what exactly happened to make > her wake up feeling a pain in her foot like i did? are you suggesting > that i did transfer negative energies to her? or were you > responding to a different part of my comments? thanks. ginger ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 92 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 02:46:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.154.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1065581197 162.83.154.186 (Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:46:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:46:37 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9302 > Hi > I do not want to insist > but many of our physical problems are mentally originated you aren't insisting, and i agree with you by all means. in fact, i thought that because i think i know the origin of the pain that it wouldn't be an issue for me to give her a session. i thought about the mental/emotional causes before my friend came for her session and believed that my pain wouldn't affect anything because i had previously been told that with reiki you don't transfer pain or negativity to the reicipient, and because i felt that i had some insight into my issue. see i feel that the pain is related to my difficulty making a decision about my career and the way i support myself. the actual emotional feelings are (were?) repressed, on the surface i am walking through my days seeming more relaxed than ever, but in reality i literally feel crippled by fear and indecision, fear that i may make the wrong choices and a fear that perhaps i cannot support myself financially the way i ought. so one foot that carry's me through life is saying "hey wait, i am a little bit apprehensive about this!!" while the other one is just trying to move me forward. i am not sure, but being that the left side of the body represents the receptive female aspect of myself (as i understand it) i think that comes into play as well. as much as i want to be this staunchly independent woman who doesn't need to depend on a man, i think there is a part of me that doesn't believe i can do that and that maybe even wants a man to make the decisions and do the supporting for me. i wasn't able to look at the underlying fears causing my indecision until my foot started hurting (seemingly out of the blue) and made me aware of it. i tried to do reiki directly on my foot, but that did nothing and made me realize that i needed to explore what the pain was telling me. i also thought that by putting someone else's needs ahead of mine and getting out of my own head i would be helped too--but perhaps that was putting my own needs first and i didn't realize it. since exploring those thoughts about the origin of my pain i opted to put on super high heels and dance at my cousins wedding despite the foot pain (and opted to give the couple a bigger check than i "believed" i could afford despite the feeling of finacial insecurity, knowing full well that i won't break myself and that the universe does provide). then the following day i decided to run around on the pained foot trying to hit tennis balls (and this despite the fact that i usually sit on the side lines feeling insecure about my athletic ability). both were active choices to be active rather than passive in my life and both things made my foot feel much better actually. the pain has gradually subsided, i am no longer limping, but it is still there as this nagging subtle thing. well, actually at this moment in time my foot feels completely normal and pain free! hmm! > if you have a wound and feel pain maybe you could transfeer the the other > person if she is sensible "she feels what you feel" yeah, i think that may be it. she is very sensitive. > but if your pain is due to an inner stress or whatever hidden thing is > bugging you and gods knows if mind is elusive and smart in hiding its > problems under fake palissades , you might transfer temporarely to the other > person the" glitch" you have i suppose it could have been a combination of both things. i dont really know. gratefully it passed quickly for her, and that is why i think it was that she was intuiting it, because i think if she had made herself vulnerable to receiving it from me it may have lasted longer for her. > in fact with Reiki when transferring energy the sender and recipient are > tuned in throught the energy .. > This is why the sender must be stronger and better trained and be able to > insulate his mind and also to insulate himself from the other's mind i wonder if this is what another friend was relaying when she said that someone told her that reiki involves passing on, or making oneself open to negativity and evil spirits. perhaps this person knew of people who experienced pains or ailments after a reiki session and they mistook that for the other. i suppose if you are in a state where you are receptive to the positive energy of the reiki, you are also open and receptive to whatever else may be floating around. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:05:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.154.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1065582322 162.83.154.186 (Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:05:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:05:22 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9303 hi arieh, you said: > I would humbly advise that you spend a little time prior to each session > centering yourself with the intention that the session involve a > transference of energy in a maner conducive to bringing healing to the > client. can you suggest how to do that? because i thought i did do that actually--but not in exactly those words. i will tell you how i tried to do that. i stood, eyes closed, hands together before my heart (in gassho? don't know the proper terms really) and imagined myself being grounded and actually tried to imagine my feet with roots entering the ground. living in a basement apartment i was aware of how close to the ground i already was, and could feel the cool ground under my feet. i then thought that while i want to be grounded i also want my crown chakra to be open and receptive and that my intentions be higher ones. i then thought that i honor my friend and appreciate the opportunity to do the reiki session and i asked that she recieve the rieki energy for her benefit and only to offer her what she needs--not what i think she needs. then i bowed and thought "namaste" and began the session. i did the above while she was already resting on the table, eyes closed and i was standing behind her. that initial process was quick, but it was still a significant pause where i tried to be in the moment and really achieve those thoughts and a feeling of being grounded. (i suppose grounded and centered may not be exactly the same, but seem similar concepts.) i felt somewhat succesful at achieving that and as the session went on i think i became more grounded and "detached" if that is the word--less self-conscious, but coming in and out of that mode i think (and never at all thinking about or feeling aware of my foot pain either). so anyway, that is what i did to try to be in the "right" place for the session. what is it specificially you are suggesting? can you give me a "sample ritual"? and do you mean that i should do this before the recipient arrives? i bet that would be a good thing. thank you. ginger ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:00:26 GMT Lines: 139 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!ash.uu.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9304 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:hUKgb.32027$yU5.15203@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > > > Hi > > I do not want to insist > > but many of our physical problems are mentally originated > Hi ginger, i responded to your post a couple of days ago and posted it but it hasn't appeared here. . . hmmmm anyway, since you wrote a more recent and insightful one, i'll just try it again. In response to your original one, i told you not to worry about this "transfer" . . . it happens all the time *as it should for you*. This is a gift ginger. . .this is a way to heal yourself as you help others:) It is a way to recognize things within yourself as you treat another. I haven't met anyone else like this but i am like that too! The people i attract to me are perfectly matched to heal something with me. To me, it felt as if i was so connected to humanity that there was something i could share with *everybody*. i think we share on a much deeper level with those who seek our help or allow us to share with them, than we would ever dream. Why shouldn't it be that way?? When two people enter into an agreement they share things in the energy (for a lack of a better way to express it.) They are also "meant" to do this together, remember, there are no accidents (you said that to me once i believe). Also, the fact that you knew that this was going to happen. Perhaps not consciously, but in your fear of it happening. . you knew. Some people would rather say you drew it to you but in this case it feels as though you knew. i told you in the post i wrote that never made it here that once upon a time i was doing a thing called "scribble art" where i would ask a person to scribble on a piece of paper for me and then i would take it home and sit with it. .. meditate on it and write down the things i felt from it. Interestingly enough, The things i wrote meant something very deep to me but at the same time coincided with occurrences and things going on in the other person. It is so darn interesting! Any way. . .i realized then that we share things with others much deeper that it might appear if we look for it. Does this resonate within you at all? So , in summation, (and you have done a beautiful job below in expressing your understanding of how these things came to be) you are not passing someone your *bad* vibes!! . . .the experience is simply synergistic for you! It is a blessing. . .not a curse! Explore it ginger. . .it is for your growth and healing. Love is. . . . . > you aren't insisting, and i agree with you by all means. in fact, i > thought that because i think i know the origin of the pain that it > wouldn't be an issue for me to give her a session. i thought about > the mental/emotional causes before my friend came for her session > and believed that my pain wouldn't affect anything because i had > previously been told that with reiki you don't transfer pain or > negativity to the reicipient, and because i felt that i had some > insight into my issue. see i feel that the pain is related to my > difficulty making a decision about my career and the way i support > myself. the actual emotional feelings are (were?) repressed, on the > surface i am walking through my days seeming more relaxed than > ever, but in reality i literally feel crippled by fear and indecision, > fear that i may make the wrong choices and a fear that perhaps i > cannot support myself financially the way i ought. so one foot that > carry's me through life is saying "hey wait, i am a little bit > apprehensive about this!!" while the other one is just trying to > move me forward. i am not sure, but being that the left side of the > body represents the receptive female aspect of myself (as i > understand it) i think that comes into play as well. as much as i > want to be this staunchly independent woman who doesn't need to > depend on a man, i think there is a part of me that doesn't believe i > can do that and that maybe even wants a man to make the decisions > and do the supporting for me. > > i wasn't able to look at the underlying fears causing my > indecision until my foot started hurting (seemingly out of the > blue) and made me aware of it. i tried to do reiki directly on my > foot, but that did nothing and made me realize that i needed to > explore what the pain was telling me. i also thought that by putting > someone else's needs ahead of mine and getting out of my own > head i would be helped too--but perhaps that was putting my own > needs first and i didn't realize it. > > since exploring those thoughts about the origin of my pain i opted > to put on super high heels and dance at my cousins wedding despite > the foot pain (and opted to give the couple a bigger check than i > "believed" i could afford despite the feeling of finacial insecurity, > knowing full well that i won't break myself and that the universe > does provide). then the following day i decided to run around on > the pained foot trying to hit tennis balls (and this despite the fact > that i usually sit on the side lines feeling insecure about my athletic > ability). both were active choices to be active rather than passive > in my life and both things made my foot feel much better > actually. the pain has gradually subsided, i am no longer limping, > but it is still there as this nagging subtle thing. well, actually at this > moment in time my foot feels completely normal and pain free! > hmm! > > > > if you have a wound and feel pain maybe you could transfeer the the > other > > person if she is sensible "she feels what you feel" > > yeah, i think that may be it. she is very sensitive. > > > but if your pain is due to an inner stress or whatever hidden thing is > > bugging you and gods knows if mind is elusive and smart in hiding its > > problems under fake palissades , you might transfer temporarely to the > other > > person the" glitch" you have > > i suppose it could have been a combination of both things. i dont > really know. gratefully it passed quickly for her, and that is why i > think it was that she was intuiting it, because i think if she had > made herself vulnerable to receiving it from me it may have lasted > longer for her. > > > in fact with Reiki when transferring energy the sender and recipient > are > > tuned in throught the energy .. > > This is why the sender must be stronger and better trained and be able > to > > insulate his mind and also to insulate himself from the other's mind > > i wonder if this is what another friend was relaying when she said > that someone told her that reiki involves passing on, or making > oneself open to negativity and evil spirits. perhaps this person > knew of people who experienced pains or ailments after a reiki > session and they mistook that for the other. i suppose if you are in > a state where you are receptive to the positive energy of the reiki, > you are also open and receptive to whatever else may be floating > around. > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:25:04 GMT Lines: 76 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9305 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:S9Lgb.28898$kD3.21361@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... > hi arieh, > > you said: > > > I would humbly advise that you spend a little time prior to each session > > centering yourself with the intention that the session involve a > > transference of energy in a maner conducive to bringing healing to the > > client. > > can you suggest how to do that? because i thought i did do that > actually--but not in exactly those words. i will tell you how i tried > to do that. i stood, eyes closed, hands together before my heart (in > gassho? don't know the proper terms really) and imagined myself > being grounded and actually tried to imagine my feet with roots > entering the ground. living in a basement apartment i was aware of > how close to the ground i already was, and could feel the cool > ground under my feet. i then thought that while i want to be > grounded i also want my crown chakra to be open and receptive > and that my intentions be higher ones. i then thought that i honor my > friend and appreciate the opportunity to do the reiki session and i > asked that she recieve the rieki energy for her benefit and she recieved it ginger. . . . why do you doubt it?:) >and only to > offer her what she needs--not what i think she needs. and she recieved it! . . . . . and because this "transference" is not what *you* think she needed (not trusting the process) you feel you did something wrong. (warm smile). . . healing is a joyous adventure. trust in it. . .it is a gift to yourself. You will never find your own healing process in a book. It is shown to you as you "unravel" in the healing process. >then i bowed > and thought "namaste" and began the session. this is beautiful and respectfull. . .it is perfect. >i did the above while > she was already resting on the table, eyes closed and i was > standing behind her. that initial process was quick, but it was still a > significant pause where i tried to be in the moment and really > achieve those thoughts and a feeling of being grounded. (i suppose grounded > and centered may not be exactly the same, but seem similar concepts.) i > felt somewhat succesful at achieving that and > as the session went on i think i became more grounded and > "detached" if that is the word--less self-conscious, but coming in > and out of that mode i think (and never at all thinking about or > feeling aware of my foot pain either). > > so anyway, that is what i did to try to be in the "right" place for the > session. You were. . .and so was this other person! >what is it specificially you are suggesting? can you give > me a "sample ritual"? What is lacking in the way you heal that another could possibly know about? > and do you mean that i should do this before > the recipient arrives? i bet that would be a good thing. > > thank you. ginger > > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:56:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.154.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1065588966 162.83.154.186 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:56:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:56:06 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9308 thanks for your supportive thoughts. they certainly make sense. not to worry about my doubts though. they aren't so strong. i did feel she benefitted from the session. mostly because she told me she felt that she did. perhaps eventually i will know it to be true without needing to hear it from the other person. in this case though i was just thinking that perhaps in addition to recieving the benefits she also got to adopt some of my foot pain the next morning. lucky her! i am settling on the fact that she intuited it and not that i passed anything on to her. i also think we were waking at the same time and the first thing i did when i woke was wiggle my foot to see if it still hurt. it did. i have a feeling it was the same time that my friend was waking in her apartment and feeling a pain in her foot as well, but she said that it went away quickly. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 90 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:20:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.154.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1065590408 162.83.154.186 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:20:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:20:08 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9309 thank you. the things you say here definitely resonate with me. "It is a way to recognize things within yourself as you treat another. I haven't met > anyone else like this but i am like that too! The people i attract to me are > perfectly matched to heal something with me." funny (or, well not so funny at all--perfectly appropriate) but earlier related to this whole experience i was thinking about the fact that twice before i felt a tightness in my chest while doing reiki on another (a colleague at work, and my cousin). i felt it while working on the heart chakra. after the session each told me they felt that. my initial concern was that passed my anxiety on to them. then i thought perhaps i intuited their feelings. then i decided that the case was exactly what you said. that i draw people to me, or vice versa who have similar issues to heal and that the pain was not mine or their, but all of ours, being expereinced similarly and on the road to being released. i eventually came to that conclusion in those cases, but not as readily in this case. When two people enter into an agreement they share things > in the energy (for a lack of a better way to express it.) They are also > "meant" to do this together, remember, there are no accidents (you said that > to me once i believe). hmm. i did, did i? i'm smart ;) > i was doing a thing called "scribble art" where i would ask a person to > scribble on a piece of paper for me and then i would take it home and sit > with it. .. meditate on it and write down the things i felt from it. > Interestingly enough, The things i wrote meant something very deep to me but > at the same time coincided with occurrences and things going on in the other > person. It is so darn interesting! Any way. . .i realized then that we share > things with others much deeper that it might appear if we look for it. Does > this resonate within you at all? funny, the thing that really resonated with me is the "scribble art!" it brought back a fun memory. when i was little--around 7-9, i had a best friend i grew up with and we would make up games to play with each other. one was that we tried to use "esp" and guess what the other was drawing on a little pad. eventually we started to cheat realizing that if we stuck to certain themes the other would guess it. but the game i liked the most (that didn't involve cheating-- just collaborating) was our version of scribble art. we would give the pad and pencil to the other, say "go" and the other would scribble, then say "stop" and the other would stop and hand over the pen and paper. the other person had to complete a recognizable picture using the scribble. this friend and i by the way, used to pick up the phone before it rang and the other person would be on the other end. or we would dial and get a busy signal because the other was dialing to call at the same time. not exactly the same, but these are other examples of the connections that develop between people. So , in summation, (and you have done a > beautiful job below in expressing your understanding of how these things > came to be) > you are not passing someone your *bad* vibes!! . . .the experience is simply > synergistic for you! It is a blessing. . .not a curse! Explore it ginger. . > .it is for your growth and healing. > Love is. . . . . thank you. bye the way, are you an artist or art therapist or something like that? i didnt really give much thought to your screen name. initially i looked at "art" as being a name, like an abbreviation for arthur or something! then i thought it related to art and healing--hence "arthealer" (gee that was just jumping out at me). now that you mentioned the scribble art thing it seems like an obvious inference. -ginger. . ###### Message-ID: <3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:24:07 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.2.48 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.2.48 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065597060 62.203.2.48 (8 Oct 2003 09:11:00 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 98 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9310 HO Ginger Interesting whyt you said here we have a controversial problem with a guy that ius doctor and is saying that depression( in some cases ) can be cured without pills and just by a positive attitudea nd 3x a week of 20 minutues jogging .. plus some visualizations well more or less whyt you have done thanks for sharing Theo gingerobyn wrote: > > Hi > > I do not want to insist > > but many of our physical problems are mentally originated > > you aren't insisting, and i agree with you by all means. in fact, i > thought that because i think i know the origin of the pain that it > wouldn't be an issue for me to give her a session. i thought about > the mental/emotional causes before my friend came for her session > and believed that my pain wouldn't affect anything because i had > previously been told that with reiki you don't transfer pain or > negativity to the reicipient, and because i felt that i had some > insight into my issue. see i feel that the pain is related to my > difficulty making a decision about my career and the way i support > myself. the actual emotional feelings are (were?) repressed, on the > surface i am walking through my days seeming more relaxed than > ever, but in reality i literally feel crippled by fear and indecision, > fear that i may make the wrong choices and a fear that perhaps i > cannot support myself financially the way i ought. so one foot that > carry's me through life is saying "hey wait, i am a little bit > apprehensive about this!!" while the other one is just trying to > move me forward. i am not sure, but being that the left side of the > body represents the receptive female aspect of myself (as i > understand it) i think that comes into play as well. as much as i > want to be this staunchly independent woman who doesn't need to > depend on a man, i think there is a part of me that doesn't believe i > can do that and that maybe even wants a man to make the decisions > and do the supporting for me. > > i wasn't able to look at the underlying fears causing my > indecision until my foot started hurting (seemingly out of the > blue) and made me aware of it. i tried to do reiki directly on my > foot, but that did nothing and made me realize that i needed to > explore what the pain was telling me. i also thought that by putting > someone else's needs ahead of mine and getting out of my own > head i would be helped too--but perhaps that was putting my own > needs first and i didn't realize it. > > since exploring those thoughts about the origin of my pain i opted > to put on super high heels and dance at my cousins wedding despite > the foot pain (and opted to give the couple a bigger check than i > "believed" i could afford despite the feeling of finacial insecurity, > knowing full well that i won't break myself and that the universe > does provide). then the following day i decided to run around on > the pained foot trying to hit tennis balls (and this despite the fact > that i usually sit on the side lines feeling insecure about my athletic > ability). both were active choices to be active rather than passive > in my life and both things made my foot feel much better > actually. the pain has gradually subsided, i am no longer limping, > but it is still there as this nagging subtle thing. well, actually at this > moment in time my foot feels completely normal and pain free! > hmm! > > > if you have a wound and feel pain maybe you could transfeer the the > other > > person if she is sensible "she feels what you feel" > > yeah, i think that may be it. she is very sensitive. > > > but if your pain is due to an inner stress or whatever hidden thing is > > bugging you and gods knows if mind is elusive and smart in hiding its > > problems under fake palissades , you might transfer temporarely to the > other > > person the" glitch" you have > > i suppose it could have been a combination of both things. i dont > really know. gratefully it passed quickly for her, and that is why i > think it was that she was intuiting it, because i think if she had > made herself vulnerable to receiving it from me it may have lasted > longer for her. > > > in fact with Reiki when transferring energy the sender and recipient > are > > tuned in throught the energy .. > > This is why the sender must be stronger and better trained and be able > to > > insulate his mind and also to insulate himself from the other's mind > > i wonder if this is what another friend was relaying when she said > that someone told her that reiki involves passing on, or making > oneself open to negativity and evil spirits. perhaps this person > knew of people who experienced pains or ailments after a reiki > session and they mistook that for the other. i suppose if you are in > a state where you are receptive to the positive energy of the reiki, > you are also open and receptive to whatever else may be floating > around. ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <199ed7c3e74197da85fa6cc5510cd6e6@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:54:11 GMT Lines: 103 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9321 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:c8Ngb.36239$541.15910@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > thank you. the things you say here definitely resonate with me. > > > "It is a way to recognize things within yourself as you treat another. I > haven't met > > anyone else like this but i am like that too! The people i attract to me > are > > perfectly matched to heal something with me." > > > funny (or, well not so funny at all--perfectly appropriate) but > earlier related to this whole experience i was thinking about the > fact that twice before i felt a tightness in my chest while doing reiki > on another (a colleague at work, and my cousin). i felt it while > working on the heart chakra. after the session each told me they felt > that. my initial concern was that passed my anxiety on to them. then > i thought perhaps i intuited their feelings. then i decided that the > case was exactly what you said. that i draw people to me, or vice > versa who have similar issues to heal and that the pain was not > mine or their, but all of ours, being expereinced similarly and on > the road to being released. i eventually came to that conclusion in > those cases, but not as readily in this case. > > When two people enter into an agreement they share things > > in the energy (for a lack of a better way to express it.) They are also > > "meant" to do this together, remember, there are no accidents (you said > that > > to me once i believe). > > hmm. i did, did i? i'm smart ;) > > > > > i was doing a thing called "scribble art" where i would ask a person to > > scribble on a piece of paper for me and then i would take it home and sit > > with it. .. meditate on it and write down the things i felt from it. > > Interestingly enough, The things i wrote meant something very deep to me > but > > at the same time coincided with occurrences and things going on in the > other > > person. It is so darn interesting! Any way. . .i realized then that we > share > > things with others much deeper that it might appear if we look for it. > Does > > this resonate within you at all? > > funny, the thing that really resonated with me is the "scribble art!" > it brought back a fun memory. when i was little--around 7-9, i had > a best friend i grew up with and we would make up games to play > with each other. one was that we tried to use "esp" and guess what > the other was drawing on a little pad. eventually we started to > cheat realizing that if we stuck to certain themes the other would > guess it. but the game i liked the most (that didn't involve cheating-- > just collaborating) was our version of scribble art. we would give > the pad and pencil to the other, say "go" and the other would > scribble, then say "stop" and the other would stop and hand over > the pen and paper. the other person had to complete a recognizable > picture using the scribble. this friend and i by the way, used to > pick up the phone before it rang and the other person would be on > the other end. or we would dial and get a busy signal because the > other was dialing to call at the same time. not exactly the same, but > these are other examples of the connections that develop between > people. > > > > So , in summation, (and you have done a > > beautiful job below in expressing your understanding of how these things > > came to be) > > you are not passing someone your *bad* vibes!! . . .the experience is > simply > > synergistic for you! It is a blessing. . .not a curse! Explore it ginger. > . > > .it is for your growth and healing. > > Love is. . . . . > > thank you. > > > bye the way, are you an artist or art therapist or something like > that? i am an artist. i am part of a coop gallery in taos. i am also a healer in that i am healing my body after years of abuse. i use art as a method of healing. . .or rather it uses me:) > i didnt really give much thought to your screen name. initially > i looked at "art" as being a name, like an abbreviation for arthur or > something! then i thought it related to art and healing--hence > "arthealer" (gee that was just jumping out at me). now that you > mentioned the scribble art thing it seems like an obvious inference. > > > -ginger. . > > ###### Message-ID: <3F84202C.1662017B@bluewin.ch> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:33:17 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <199ed7c3e74197da85fa6cc5510cd6e6@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.81.105 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.81.105 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065622812 62.202.81.105 (8 Oct 2003 16:20:12 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 59 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9324 amusing game that Scribble , I never played at that ,we had a variant but far less exciting and training than the one you just described.. I had the same experiences when in love :-) and when doing Zen .. I talked with other za-zen people and they had the same experiences as I did.. UNFORTUNATELY is not on a permanent basis nor works at will Theo arthealer wrote: > > > > funny, the thing that really resonated with me is the "scribble art!" > > it brought back a fun memory. when i was little--around 7-9, i had > > a best friend i grew up with and we would make up games to play > > with each other. one was that we tried to use "esp" and guess what > > the other was drawing on a little pad. eventually we started to > > cheat realizing that if we stuck to certain themes the other would > > guess it. but the game i liked the most (that didn't involve cheating-- > > just collaborating) was our version of scribble art. we would give > > the pad and pencil to the other, say "go" and the other would > > scribble, then say "stop" and the other would stop and hand over > > the pen and paper. the other person had to complete a recognizable > > picture using the scribble. this friend and i by the way, used to > > pick up the phone before it rang and the other person would be on > > the other end. or we would dial and get a busy signal because the > > other was dialing to call at the same time. not exactly the same, but > > these are other examples of the connections that develop between > > people. > > > So , in summation, (and you have done a > > > beautiful job below in expressing your understanding of how these things > > > came to be) > > > you are not passing someone your *bad* vibes!! . . .the experience is > > simply > > > synergistic for you! It is a blessing. . .not a curse! Explore it > ginger. > > . > > > .it is for your growth and healing. > > > Love is. . . . . > > > > thank you. > > > > > > bye the way, are you an artist or art therapist or something like > > that? > > i am an artist. i am part of a coop gallery in taos. i am also a healer in > that i am healing my body after years of abuse. i use art as a method of > healing. . .or rather it uses me:) > > > i didnt really give much thought to your screen name. initially > > i looked at "art" as being a name, like an abbreviation for arthur or > > something! then i thought it related to art and healing--hence > > "arthealer" (gee that was just jumping out at me). now that you > > mentioned the scribble art thing it seems like an obvious inference. > > > > > > -ginger. . > > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <199ed7c3e74197da85fa6cc5510cd6e6@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <__Zgb.33437$yU5.7122@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:57:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.154.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1065643066 162.84.154.43 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:57:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:57:46 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9328 > i am an artist. i am part of a coop gallery in taos. i am also a healer in > that i am healing my body after years of abuse. i use art as a method of > healing. . .or rather it uses me:) nice. thanks for sharing. art is definitely a universal healing tool. ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:03:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.154.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1065643431 162.84.154.43 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:03:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:03:51 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.22.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9329 "Theo" wrote in message news:3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch... > HO Ginger > Interesting whyt you said > here we have a controversial problem with a guy that ius doctor and is saying > that depression( in some cases ) can be cured without pills and just by a > positive attitudea nd 3x a week of 20 minutues jogging .. plus some > visualizations > well more or less whyt you have done > thanks for sharing > Theo that sounds totally reasonable. important that you said "in some cases" because some depression is to severe to be taken lightly, but i think being active and changing your attitude has to help. that is something i struggle with frequently. ###### Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:10:26 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <199ed7c3e74197da85fa6cc5510cd6e6@news.teranews.com> <__Zgb.33437$yU5.7122@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> In-Reply-To: <__Zgb.33437$yU5.7122@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.83.232 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.83.232 Message-ID: <3f846f1e$1_4@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065643806 213.3.83.232 (8 Oct 2003 22:10:06 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 17 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9330 It is a sort of active meditation .. you work on something and forget the rest and let things exude form the lowest inner layers of your inner self to the surface .. into awareness Theo gingerobyn wrote: >>i am an artist. i am part of a coop gallery in taos. i am also a healer in >>that i am healing my body after years of abuse. i use art as a method of >>healing. . .or rather it uses me:) > > > > nice. thanks for sharing. art is definitely a universal healing tool. > > ###### Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:18:29 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.83.232 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.83.232 Message-ID: <3f847101$1_5@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065644289 213.3.83.232 (8 Oct 2003 22:18:09 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 42 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9331 HI gingerobyn wrote: > "Theo" wrote in message > news:3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch... > >>HO Ginger >> Interesting whyt you said >> here we have a controversial problem with a guy that ius doctor and is > > saying> >>that depression( in some cases ) can be cured without pills and just by a >>positive attitudea nd 3x a week of 20 minutues jogging .. plus some >>visualizations >> well more or less whyt you have done >> thanks for sharing >> Theo > > > > that sounds totally reasonable. important that you said "in some > cases" yes I did not want to generalize on pourpose.. >because some depression is to severe to be taken lightly, but > i think being active and changing your attitude has to help. that is > something i struggle with frequently. for my *moods* I have two techniques either wait the nerves spring will be very tighten until une day it loosen by itself or when in bed I just put in a comfortable postion in the dark .. ( I love dark) and imagine to be sitting on a lounge or an easy chair facing a spectacular range of snowy mountains.. and I try to feel as real the thin air the cold breez on ma face the coldness the silence or distant sounds form the valleys.. I try to bath into teh athmosphere as if I were really tehre , a sort o visualization and this in 1o days normally helps me to recover I can use also a stone garden meditation visualization or otehrs I always try to register some situatiosn when I ma really physically experiencing them to be able to revisualize them when needed .. make a sort of records library Theo ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:07:53 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3F847CA9.E1487680@imbris.com> References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <199ed7c3e74197da85fa6cc5510cd6e6@news.teranews.com> <__Zgb.33437$yU5.7122@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3f846f1e$1_4@news.bluewin.ch> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm836-11.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: fordkenn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9332 Theo wrote: > > It is a sort of active meditation .. you work on something and forget > the rest and let things exude form the lowest inner layers of your > inner self to the surface .. into awareness > Theo Yes, just about anything where you're exclusively focused on one thing, whether a thought or an action, is good meditation. sue ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <16ffb754d76871a5ab0096ec1c2103b7@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:36:56 GMT Lines: 27 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <199ed7c3e74197da85fa6cc5510cd6e6@news.teranews.com> <__Zgb.33437$yU5.7122@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3f846f1e$1_4@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.22.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9333 "Theo" wrote in message news:3f846f1e$1_4@news.bluewin.ch... > It is a sort of active meditation .. you work on something and forget > the rest and let things exude form the lowest inner layers of your > inner self to the surface .. into awareness > Theo > >Beautifully said Theo:) . . . thank you! gingerobyn wrote: > > >>i am an artist. i am part of a coop gallery in taos. i am also a healer in > >>that i am healing my body after years of abuse. i use art as a method of > >>healing. . .or rather it uses me:) > > > > > > > > nice. thanks for sharing. art is definitely a universal healing tool. > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:20:06 GMT Lines: 51 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9334 "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:H4_gb.33440$yU5.1515@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch... > > HO Ginger > > Interesting whyt you said > > here we have a controversial problem with a guy that ius doctor and is > saying > > that depression( in some cases ) can be cured without pills and just by a > > positive attitudea nd 3x a week of 20 minutues jogging .. plus some > > visualizations > > well more or less whyt you have done > > thanks for sharing > > Theo > > > that sounds totally reasonable. important that you said "in some > cases" because some depression is to severe to be taken lightly, but > i think being active and changing your attitude has to help. that is > something i struggle with frequently. i use a few techniques for depression as well. Hang out with children. . . they are so hopeful and loving. Take what they have to offer you instead of feeling as though you must control them. I walk on a very pretty path by the river ea. morning and do affirmations and count my blessings. it is quite easy at times to entertain hopeless thoughts. . .. don't. The moment you realize what you are doing. .. . change it into a self affirming mantra instead. Depression is as depression does. Exercise is important. Depression affirms a hopeless and futile attitude. Anything one can do that goes against these are useful. Learn to make yourself smile. . .a lot! The whole world treats you differently when you smile. Learning to trust in the timing (flow as some refer to it) of events. Have you read "ILLUSIONS" by Richard Bach? In the beginning is a cute little story that illustrates "going with the flow" well. Learning to let go and trust that the current of life will carry you is possibly the most difficult task for the depressed control freak. But it can be done, and realizing that the entire universe. . .life itself. . . supports your desires. . .is the very feeling that is lacking in a chronically depressed person. This is the love that was always missing in ones life. . .the unconditional love that the universe gives back to you when you begin to love yourself:) Love is. . . . ###### Message-ID: <3F850774.7AC84E59@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:00:05 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: Byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> <3F83BB96.7C1876A2@bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.31.12 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.31.12 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1065682014 62.202.31.12 (9 Oct 2003 08:46:54 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 40 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9343 arthealer wrote: > "gingerobyn" wrote in message > news:H4_gb.33440$yU5.1515@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > SNIP > instead. Depression is as depression does. Exercise is important. Depression > affirms a hopeless and futile attitude. Anything one can do that goes > against these are useful. Learn to make yourself smile. . .a lot! How true !!! I always forget this smile at yourself ( or to a friend) or in the bathroom when you wake up in the morning smile at yourself everytime you are in front of a mirror or just smile wjen you fell down it helps a lot .. there was a song Smile when your heart is taken smile even though its is breaking.. Dion and the diamonds.. and sing a song taht is sunny in your mind for me is Brazil .. it electrizes me ..we are all so different ! Theo > The whole > world treats you differently when you smile. Learning to trust in the timing > (flow as some refer to it) of events. Have you read "ILLUSIONS" by Richard > Bach? In the beginning is a cute little story that illustrates "going with > the flow" well. > Learning to let go and trust that the current of life will carry you is > possibly the most difficult task for the depressed control freak. But it can > be done, and realizing that the entire universe. . .life itself. . . > supports your desires. . .is the very feeling that is lacking in a > chronically depressed person. This is the love that was always missing in > ones life. . .the unconditional love that the universe gives back to you > when you begin to love yourself:) > Love is. . . . ###### From: "Arieh" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:29:03 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 129 Message-ID: References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.165.187.172 X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 1065698948 13404 165.165.187.172 (9 Oct 2003 11:29:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 2003 11:29:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9356 Hi Ginger sorry about the delay, i have been very busy with work and can only get here every few days to me it sounds like you are centering / grounding yourself very well, the ritual that you use is not as important as the intention that you create prior to commencing the session. I use a visualisation of a sphere of white light surrounding me from below my feet to above my head, the sphere acts as a one way shieled and only allows positive energy to flow outward to the client. Again this is merely a convention that I find usefull and is not prescriptive. Regarding your final comment, it is my practise to meditate at 05:00 everymorning and my final aspect of each mornings meditation is to review the principles and the purpose of each of the symbols and to visualise that those that I will touch that day will receive only that energy that they require. This morning preparation tends to carry me through theday and operate as an overall preparation. I also spend about five minutes before each session claeaing the space and creating a harmonious energy in my healing environment prior to seeing the client. I hope that this assists you Arieh "gingerobyn" wrote in message news:hUKgb.32027$yU5.15203@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... > > > > Hi > > I do not want to insist > > but many of our physical problems are mentally originated > > > you aren't insisting, and i agree with you by all means. in fact, i > thought that because i think i know the origin of the pain that it > wouldn't be an issue for me to give her a session. i thought about > the mental/emotional causes before my friend came for her session > and believed that my pain wouldn't affect anything because i had > previously been told that with reiki you don't transfer pain or > negativity to the reicipient, and because i felt that i had some > insight into my issue. see i feel that the pain is related to my > difficulty making a decision about my career and the way i support > myself. the actual emotional feelings are (were?) repressed, on the > surface i am walking through my days seeming more relaxed than > ever, but in reality i literally feel crippled by fear and indecision, > fear that i may make the wrong choices and a fear that perhaps i > cannot support myself financially the way i ought. so one foot that > carry's me through life is saying "hey wait, i am a little bit > apprehensive about this!!" while the other one is just trying to > move me forward. i am not sure, but being that the left side of the > body represents the receptive female aspect of myself (as i > understand it) i think that comes into play as well. as much as i > want to be this staunchly independent woman who doesn't need to > depend on a man, i think there is a part of me that doesn't believe i > can do that and that maybe even wants a man to make the decisions > and do the supporting for me. > > i wasn't able to look at the underlying fears causing my > indecision until my foot started hurting (seemingly out of the > blue) and made me aware of it. i tried to do reiki directly on my > foot, but that did nothing and made me realize that i needed to > explore what the pain was telling me. i also thought that by putting > someone else's needs ahead of mine and getting out of my own > head i would be helped too--but perhaps that was putting my own > needs first and i didn't realize it. > > since exploring those thoughts about the origin of my pain i opted > to put on super high heels and dance at my cousins wedding despite > the foot pain (and opted to give the couple a bigger check than i > "believed" i could afford despite the feeling of finacial insecurity, > knowing full well that i won't break myself and that the universe > does provide). then the following day i decided to run around on > the pained foot trying to hit tennis balls (and this despite the fact > that i usually sit on the side lines feeling insecure about my athletic > ability). both were active choices to be active rather than passive > in my life and both things made my foot feel much better > actually. the pain has gradually subsided, i am no longer limping, > but it is still there as this nagging subtle thing. well, actually at this > moment in time my foot feels completely normal and pain free! > hmm! > > > > if you have a wound and feel pain maybe you could transfeer the the > other > > person if she is sensible "she feels what you feel" > > yeah, i think that may be it. she is very sensitive. > > > but if your pain is due to an inner stress or whatever hidden thing is > > bugging you and gods knows if mind is elusive and smart in hiding its > > problems under fake palissades , you might transfer temporarely to the > other > > person the" glitch" you have > > i suppose it could have been a combination of both things. i dont > really know. gratefully it passed quickly for her, and that is why i > think it was that she was intuiting it, because i think if she had > made herself vulnerable to receiving it from me it may have lasted > longer for her. > > > in fact with Reiki when transferring energy the sender and recipient > are > > tuned in throught the energy .. > > This is why the sender must be stronger and better trained and be able > to > > insulate his mind and also to insulate himself from the other's mind > > i wonder if this is what another friend was relaying when she said > that someone told her that reiki involves passing on, or making > oneself open to negativity and evil spirits. perhaps this person > knew of people who experienced pains or ailments after a reiki > session and they mistook that for the other. i suppose if you are in > a state where you are receptive to the positive energy of the reiki, > you are also open and receptive to whatever else may be floating > around. > > > ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f81db3f_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F826B3F.5561661D@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: transfered pain during/after a reiki session? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:15:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.147.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1065734111 162.83.147.45 (Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:15:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:15:11 EDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9371 > I hope that this assists you yes. thank you. :) >