From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: The Highest Good Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200 Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-203-37.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 12 Sep 2003 05:56:08 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-203-37.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-203-37.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8771 Sending reiki (or many other forms of energy, including Wicca) for "the highest good" is a frequent phrase. We know that when using auto-suggestion or visualization it is recommended that we are very specific about the goal, though not necessarily as specific as to how to reach it. The reason given is that the unsconscious cannot work with vague things. To me, "the highest good" sounds vague and nebolous. It is probably similar to love, everybody talks about it, pretends to know what it is, but if asked what they exactly mean by it have great difficulty to explain it. Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for "the highest good" not an ineffective way due to its unfocused nature? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:42:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063345335 165.247.136.249 (Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:42:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:42:15 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8804 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for >"the highest good" not an ineffective way >due to its unfocused nature? > >-- >Namu Amida Butsu >Peter Reber >"Life knows its needs" Peter, I'm looking at your question, then looking at your tagline, and then wondering if I'm misunderstanding the question. :-) namaste, Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:31:35 +0200 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-199.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Sep 2003 08:12:48 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-199.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-199.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8768 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > >due to its unfocused nature? > > > >-- > >Namu Amida Butsu > >Peter Reber > >"Life knows its needs" > > Peter, I'm looking at your question, then looking at your tagline, and > then wondering if I'm misunderstanding the question. :-) Good point, but my tag line refers to life "uninfluenced" whereas sending reiki may be seen as helping it along. While life may know its needs it still has to "get there". The tag line refers to "knowledge", my question to the action required to apply the knowledge. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:06:46 +0200 Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-203-164.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Sep 2003 15:40:27 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-203-164.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-203-164.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8773 "Deb" wrote in message news:bjru2g$mt83e$1@ID-120246.news.uni-berlin.de... > > "pr" wrote in message > news:3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > To me, "the highest good" sounds vague > > and nebolous. It is probably similar to love, > > everybody talks about it, pretends to know > > what it is, but if asked what they exactly > > mean by it have great difficulty to explain > > it. > > For myself, I believe that the best I can specificly imagine (or > visualize) is my 'good'. My 'highest good' would be beyond that. > Beyond my imagination, ...better than my wildest dreams. If you can't visualize or conceptualize it it is meaningless. > > Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > "the highest good" not an ineffective way > > due to its unfocused nature? > No, and mostly because, "Life knows its needs" I think it is a cop out. It is hiding our wishes, desires, feelings, emotions behind a nice sounding phrase. It is abdicating our responsibility because "something else" will take care of it. I suggest that when this phrase is used we know *exactly* what we would like to see happen, but somehow, in false modesty, we are reluctant to declare it. We are indoctrinated by new age thinking that to declare what we see as the desired outcome in spiritual and maybe even physical terms is not cool. It is also unsafe, because if I don't succeed repeatedly it may affect my (self)-esteem as a healer. Mahatma Gandhi said this with regards to action and results, which he calls the "fruit", as quoted in Robert May's "Physicians of the Soul": "This is the unmistakable teaching of the Gita. He who gives up action falls. He who gives up only the reward rises. But renunciation of fruit in no way means indifference to the result. In regard to every action one must know the result that is expected to follow, the means thereto, and the capacity for it. He who, being thus equipped, is without desire for the result, and yet is wholly engrossed in due fulfillment of the task before him, is said to have renounced the fruits of action." Life indeed knows its needs, but do you? Or I? By just leaving it to this vague, incomprehensible highest good we also miss an opportunity to learn something when the specific condition does not manifest. Also, to not specify the aim of our actions in no way means that we have renounced the fruit. We are still attached to "doing good". -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:01:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.159.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063450899 165.247.159.176 (Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:01:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:01:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8803 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:31:35 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >news:3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net... >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: >> >> >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for >> >"the highest good" not an ineffective way >> >due to its unfocused nature? >> > >> >-- >> >Namu Amida Butsu >> >Peter Reber >> >"Life knows its needs" >> >> Peter, I'm looking at your question, then looking at your tagline, and >> then wondering if I'm misunderstanding the question. :-) > >Good point, but my tag line refers to life "uninfluenced" >whereas sending reiki may be seen as helping it along. >While life may know its needs it still has to "get there". >The tag line refers to "knowledge", my question to the >action required to apply the knowledge. Oh-ho! I see now that the word "life" was capitalized only because it was at the start of the sentence. So, whereas you were referring to "life", I was thinking of "Life" (the Universe, and Everything). As for knowledge and application of same, one might assume from your question that you are a believer in "free will" and "self", but somehow I suspect that's not quite the case... Garry ###### From: "Arieh" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:49:33 +0200 Organization: ?? Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hbw53-01-p116.gt.saix.net X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 1063453679 6195 155.239.83.116 (13 Sep 2003 11:47:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2003 11:47:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8778 Highest Good, Lowest Good, in-between good ....goodness gracious me sounds too good to be true Arieh "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:31:35 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > >news:3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net... > >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >> > >> >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > >> >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > >> >due to its unfocused nature? > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Namu Amida Butsu > >> >Peter Reber > >> >"Life knows its needs" > >> > >> Peter, I'm looking at your question, then looking at your tagline, and > >> then wondering if I'm misunderstanding the question. :-) > > > >Good point, but my tag line refers to life "uninfluenced" > >whereas sending reiki may be seen as helping it along. > >While life may know its needs it still has to "get there". > >The tag line refers to "knowledge", my question to the > >action required to apply the knowledge. > > Oh-ho! I see now that the word "life" was capitalized only because it > was at the start of the sentence. So, whereas you were referring to > "life", I was thinking of "Life" (the Universe, and Everything). > > As for knowledge and application of same, one might assume from your > question that you are a believer in "free will" and "self", but > somehow I suspect that's not quite the case... > > Garry > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 2003/09/01 ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:10:56 +0200 Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-203-164.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Sep 2003 16:13:01 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-203-164.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-203-164.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8776 > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net... > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:31:35 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > > > > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > >news:3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net... > > >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >> > > >> >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > >> >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > > >> >due to its unfocused nature? > > >> > > > >> >-- > > >> >Namu Amida Butsu > > >> >Peter Reber > > >> >"Life knows its needs" > > >> > > >> Peter, I'm looking at your question, then looking at your tagline, and > > >> then wondering if I'm misunderstanding the question. :-) > > > > > >Good point, but my tag line refers to life "uninfluenced" > > >whereas sending reiki may be seen as helping it along. > > >While life may know its needs it still has to "get there". > > >The tag line refers to "knowledge", my question to the > > >action required to apply the knowledge. > > > > Oh-ho! I see now that the word "life" was capitalized only because it > > was at the start of the sentence. So, whereas you were referring to > > "life", I was thinking of "Life" (the Universe, and Everything). You were thinking right. Too lazy, unattentive, too much in a hurry to bother with the shift key. Then again, is there a difference? However, that the Universe knows its needs, does not make grilled chicken fly into your mouth every day. > > As for knowledge and application of same, one might assume from your > > question that you are a believer in "free will" and "self", but > > somehow I suspect that's not quite the case... The ignorant have free will, the enlightened do not. Somehing similar could be said about self. Free will and self is another topic on its own. Do we really want to start that? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f63278d.550180@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:15:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063462506 165.247.162.179 (Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:15:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:15:06 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8794 On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:49:33 +0200, "Arieh" wrote: >Highest Good, Lowest Good, in-between good ....goodness gracious me sounds >too good to be true > >Arieh Reminds me of a line from one of my favorite "B" grade flicks: "Good...bad...I'm the one with the shotgun!" ;-) Garry ###### From: "Arieh" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:40:19 +0200 Organization: ?? Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f63278d.550180@news.east.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hbw53-01-p116.gt.saix.net X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 1063463931 11363 155.239.83.116 (13 Sep 2003 14:38:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2003 14:38:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news1.nefonline.de!news.erlm.siemens.de!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed3!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8781 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f63278d.550180@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:49:33 +0200, "Arieh" > wrote: > > >Highest Good, Lowest Good, in-between good ....goodness gracious me sounds > >too good to be true > > > >Arieh > > Reminds me of a line from one of my favorite "B" grade flicks: > > "Good...bad...I'm the one with the shotgun!" ;-) > > Garry or perhaps..."good golly miss molly", or ..."let the good times roll", or ..."the good, the bad and the ugly", or how about..."jonnie B good", or one of my favourites ...from Will Durant ..."One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say." -) Arieh --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 2003/09/01 ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:12:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063494759 165.247.162.233 (Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:12:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:12:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.tiscali.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8829 On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:10:56 +0200, "pr" wrote: >However, that the Universe knows its needs, does not make >grilled chicken fly into your mouth every day. The Universe must know I would get bored pretty quickly with grilled chicken.... >The ignorant have free will, the enlightened do not. >Somehing similar could be said about self. >Free will and self is another topic on its own. Do we >really want to start that? Ok, without getting into that topic, let's think about this: You do not have to consciously think about how to make a scratch heal or make your immune system beat an infection. You can influence these things by taking conscious action, but your body is quite capable of doing these things without your meddling. One might assume that the body knows how to utilize healing ki without anyone's conscious planning. Ergo, it is sufficient to send it. Of course, I haven't proved anything, just expressed a pet theory with no data to back it. What are your thoughts? Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "Catherine Bradley" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:04:29 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.98.57.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net 1063512269 81.98.57.183 (Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:04:29 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:04:29 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.61.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8831 What do you mean, Theo, That by that asking for something better for your friends that you prolong their suffering . They choose that path themselves. And they wanted you there to be a friend and to use your talents to help them. "Theo" wrote in message news:bjvnud$f36$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > HI > > pr wrote: > > Sending reiki (or many other forms of energy, > > including Wicca) for "the highest good" is a > > frequent phrase. > > We know that when using auto-suggestion > > or visualization it is recommended that we > > are very specific about the goal, though not > > necessarily as specific as to how to reach it. > > The reason given is that the unsconscious > > cannot work with vague things. > do you think so ?:-) > inconscious works step by step with intuition > > To me, "the highest good" sounds vague > > and nebolous. > I personally think that *for the highest good* is a sort of *knock on > wood* formula.. in fact Reiki should go where is required for the best > results .. if we think someone is sick and we send reiki we probably > think to cure the materialistic effect and we direct energy there .. > bbut sometimes it is only the visula or materialistic effect of the > person's inner problems for which he mainly needs * healing*first and > Reiki most probably will go *first* where is needed and THEN to cure > the visible illness -- > I sent few times to persons in very bad condition health conditions > and they passed over quickly well tehy were at the end of tehir life > over 96 and anotrher was younger but with a very bad liver problem .. > others people supposed to have just 3 months ahead of them ,and to > whom I sent reiki every time I was doing my routines are still alive > and things appaprently * are better for them * > > It is probably similar to love, > > everybody talks about it, pretends to know > > what it is, but if asked what they exactly > > mean by it have great difficulty to explain > > it. > love :-) what is love... we all have a different perceptions of what > love means and how we think love should be... > > Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > "the highest good" not an ineffective way > > due to its unfocused nature? > > Do not worry just by sending it is a love attitude .. Reiki knows > what to do .. did you not realize yet that when we humans try to make > things *better* we make them worse ? > > namaste > Theo > > > Namu Amida Butsu > > Peter Reber > > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:59:50 +0200 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-104.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f63f6bc.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 14 Sep 2003 07:03:56 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-104.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-104.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8820 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:10:56 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >The ignorant have free will, the enlightened do not. > >Somehing similar could be said about self. > >Free will and self is another topic on its own. Do we > >really want to start that? > > Ok, without getting into that topic, let's think about this: > > You do not have to consciously think about how to make a scratch heal > or make your immune system beat an infection. You can influence these > things by taking conscious action, but your body is quite capable of > doing these things without your meddling. One might assume that the > body knows how to utilize healing ki without anyone's conscious > planning. Ergo, it is sufficient to send it. I don't dispute your statement but my original question was about the effectiveness of the two basic ways of sending reiki, focused vs unfocused, dis-ease specific or for the highest good in general. Will be away for a week. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 07:12:21 +0200 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-200-104.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 14 Sep 2003 07:23:44 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-200-104.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-200-104.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8818 "Theo" wrote in message news:bjvnud$f36$1@news.eusc.inter.net... Hi Theo, > .. did you not realize yet that when we humans try to make > things *better* we make them worse ? Without doubt this is often the case. But what do you suggest? We should try to make them worse? As we are "condemned" to do *something* we might as well try to improve things. The problem is not in that we try to make things better but in how we see our place in the world. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f64463c.619259@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f63f6bc.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:39:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063535998 165.247.136.65 (Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:39:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:39:58 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8827 On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:59:50 +0200, "pr" wrote: >I don't dispute your statement but my original >question was about the effectiveness of the two >basic ways of sending reiki, focused vs unfocused, >dis-ease specific or for the highest good in general. So how effective is your cellular reproduction when you intervene with focused, conscious attention? >Will be away for a week. May your week pass safely and pleasantly! Garry Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:16:08 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1063556157 6335 212.59.174.142 (14 Sep 2003 16:15:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8838 Catherine Bradley wrote: > What do you mean, > Theo, > That by that asking for something better for your friends that you prolong > their suffering . They choose that path themselves. And they wanted you > there to be a friend and to use your talents to help them. First of all I neve send *for the highest good* I dislike the formula..than I do not think i prolonged suffering of anyone by giving them my Reiki nor that I would have the right to send them Reiki hoping it might interrupt by death their suffering.. it is their Karma and it has to flow as *written* for them I just send Reiki the person will be delivered or relieved if this is her /his destiny.. Reiki will act as it has to act if you wish:-) *for the highest good* but Reiki will decide not me.. this is what I ment Theo > "Theo" wrote in message > news:bjvnud$f36$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > >> HI >> >>pr wrote: >> > Sending reiki (or many other forms of energy, >> > including Wicca) for "the highest good" is a >> > frequent phrase. >> > We know that when using auto-suggestion >> > or visualization it is recommended that we >> > are very specific about the goal, though not >> > necessarily as specific as to how to reach it. >> > The reason given is that the unsconscious >> > cannot work with vague things. >> do you think so ?:-) >> inconscious works step by step with intuition >> > To me, "the highest good" sounds vague >> > and nebolous. >> I personally think that *for the highest good* is a sort of *knock on >>wood* formula.. in fact Reiki should go where is required for the best >>results .. if we think someone is sick and we send reiki we probably >>think to cure the materialistic effect and we direct energy there .. >>bbut sometimes it is only the visula or materialistic effect of the >>person's inner problems for which he mainly needs * healing*first and >>Reiki most probably will go *first* where is needed and THEN to cure >>the visible illness -- >> I sent few times to persons in very bad condition health conditions >>and they passed over quickly well tehy were at the end of tehir life >>over 96 and anotrher was younger but with a very bad liver problem .. >>others people supposed to have just 3 months ahead of them ,and to >>whom I sent reiki every time I was doing my routines are still alive >>and things appaprently * are better for them * >> >> It is probably similar to love, >> > everybody talks about it, pretends to know >> > what it is, but if asked what they exactly >> > mean by it have great difficulty to explain >> > it. >> love :-) what is love... we all have a different perceptions of what >>love means and how we think love should be... >> > Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for >> > "the highest good" not an ineffective way >> > due to its unfocused nature? >> >> Do not worry just by sending it is a love attitude .. Reiki knows >>what to do .. did you not realize yet that when we humans try to make >>things *better* we make them worse ? >> >> namaste >> Theo >> >> > Namu Amida Butsu >> > Peter Reber >> > "Life knows its needs" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:31:55 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1063557103 6957 212.59.174.142 (14 Sep 2003 16:31:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8840 pr wrote: > "Theo" wrote in message > news:bjvnud$f36$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > > Hi Theo, > > >> .. did you not realize yet that when we humans try to make >>things *better* we make them worse ? > > > Without doubt this is often the case. But what do you suggest? > We should try to make them worse? As we are "condemned" > to do *something* we might as well try to improve things. > The problem is not in that we try to make things better but > in how we see our place in the world. > Hi what do you do when you want to help someone you give help ( reiki ) in our case.. but you do not tray to manipulate things as you think it should be good for them.. we had tha case here of a guy that broke off with his girl friend and she was mad at him and he was sending reiki to her to make her feel better and he was receiving back bad waves and she was even more bad with him.. so he intended to use Reiki to manipulate and this was not good If I have a wound I try to visualize cicatrization if I have a muscular sore or tooth ache I send energy but what do you do for an emotional turmo ? you listen ( if you can and often here we do not know what is the underlying problems ) and than you tyr to send reiki and hope to settle it in order as you think? who am I to think that I could do so? and if instead I just send reki it will go and soot first what it has to sooth..maybe a past problem Reiki cures Karma as well and than also the present problem derived from past problems but sometimes past problems are quite huge and the person needs more that some Reiki to have them solved or his suffering is the way karma makes him pay his debt.. maybe our riki will take some less suffering but how can we judge.. We cannot .. that's all! Our life here is not supposed to be a Disleyland all the time... for many is a long Hell instead.. our place in the world? is the place where we actually are ! why searchin for it when we are fitting into it ! :-) Namste Theo > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > -- ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F64B506.1EEFD902@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:36:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1063564594 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:36:34 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:36:34 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8851 Hi Theo, I can remember sitting in religion classes as a youngster and being told to pray for others,,,,however, to also understand that while all prayers are heard, God will decide how the prayers will be answered. Have we just borrowed from religious tradition and substituted God for Reiki, in the philosophy of it all? When I read of the energy experiments with healers done in various parts of the world, it always seems that very specific results are attainable and measurable...plants grow better, cancer cells are destroyed in the lab, wounds heal faster, etc. I find it all interesting. Cheers Rich ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:17:18 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F64B506.1EEFD902@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1063567026 10080 212.59.174.224 (14 Sep 2003 19:17:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3F64B506.1EEFD902@shaw.ca> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8842 Hi Rich I cannot follow you here .. Rich wrote: > Hi Theo, > I can remember sitting in religion classes as a youngster and being told > to pray for others,,,,however, to also understand that while all prayers > are heard, God will decide how the prayers will be answered. Have we > just borrowed from religious tradition and substituted God for Reiki, in > the philosophy of it all? no this existed before religion and Gods of whatever creed might existed Men always used incantations formulas pray mantras to focus energy from earth heavens spirits or whatever he was believing at the moment when doing its practices.... structured religions we know know copied all these actings from the night of times and refined into specific forms of cult.. althars existed in Ur Babylon Athens Rome Luxor before Christzain Romeo Jerusalem one copie teh previous one going up up up to the very shamanism .. kneeling down joining hands in front of the chest is not only a catholic or hindi u practice..anyway:-) > When I read of the energy experiments with healers done in various parts > of the world, it always seems that very specific results are attainable > and measurable...plants grow better, cancer cells are destroyed in the > lab, wounds heal faster, etc. I find it all interesting. yes it surely is I think that if a human can use this eenrgy is because he believes in what he does.. if afterwords he is Muslim or Jew or Buddhist or Catholic or Wicca en he is a true believer in its creed , in this case his * faith * is helping him when using Reiki I try to make you undertand my point of view Make a cyrcle this cyrcle is all the energy in the universe call it Reiki .. inside this circle make others cyrcles like clusters inside of the main one and call them Wicca chirstianism Shamanism buddhism Islam Judaism and so on .. all these cyrcles are reservoirs of energy if one belives in reiki he taps the energy in Reiki if believes in Reiki and his religion also , he taps Reiki through his religion by the means of his faith this is why some people that have fath in a religion often use its symbols like Christ the cross or mantras or whatever belongs to the faith he was grown up into -- for someone taht got rid of all tehse remoras maybe it is easier to go staright to Reiki Usui as japonese and ready to switch form Taoism shitoism Buddhism and probably Christianism( as is said) had not blinds on his eyes to understand the nature or reiki and accept it for what it was .. for many believers is a step back to believe in Reiki and tthey do not realize that is instead a step forward to get rid of all these false screens most of us has before the eyes it sounds logic.. BTW I hope I did not offend anyone sensibility but if someone is touchy & bigot it is not here the place to stay .. Namaste Theo > Cheers > Rich ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 18 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:46:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.148.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063576003 165.247.148.210 (Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:46:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:46:43 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8846 On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:31:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > Our life here is not supposed to be a Disleyland all the time... > for many is a long Hell instead.. Actually, Heaven, Hell coexist here on Earth. Each of us decides what we want it to be. :-) > our place in the world? is the place where we actually are ! why >searchin for it when we are fitting into it ! Well said, Theo! Namaste, Garry ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:49:49 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net> Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1063576176 12957 212.59.174.196 (14 Sep 2003 21:49:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8845 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:31:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > >> Our life here is not supposed to be a Disleyland all the time... >> for many is a long Hell instead.. > > > Actually, Heaven, Hell coexist here on Earth. Each of us decides what > we want it to be. :-) Hy Garry .. you can philosophically put this way if you wish >> our place in the world? is the place where we actually are ! why >>searchin for it when we are fitting into it ! > > > Well said, Theo! > :-) thanks LOL! Nmaste Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:16:23 GMT Lines: 52 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8835 "pr" wrote in message news:3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > Sending reiki (or many other forms of energy, > including Wicca) for "the highest good" is a > frequent phrase. > We know that when using auto-suggestion > or visualization it is recommended that we > are very specific about the goal, though not > necessarily as specific as to how to reach it. > The reason given is that the unsconscious > cannot work with vague things. yes, I have always heard that too but it just aint true! when we expect only our highest good or the most benificial it is enough. . . not knowing our highest good or what is most benificial. > To me, "the highest good" sounds vague > and nebolous. It is probably similar to love, > everybody talks about it, pretends to know > what it is, but if asked what they exactly > mean by it have great difficulty to explain > it. and the same may be true for ones "highest good" if we don't know what to ask for specifically. I think this begins to enter the realm of trust in and belief in a higher power or at least a more knowing one. you can either release it to that or try to control something that isn't nessesary. The intention is enough to set it in motion and on the right course. > Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > "the highest good" not an ineffective way > due to its unfocused nature? does the sun just shine on you, or does it benifit everything as well as you? The Universe is endlessly bountiful . .pass it on.:) Why would you even want to put limitations on the healing power of love? > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > ###### From: "gargoyle" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:02:05 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8879 Thanks for that explanation Peter,sometimes the simplicity of Reiki is hard to grasp for me,I can't help trying to analyize even though I know I should let go and let reiki be reiki,your explanation has just helped something click into place,as does a lot of you others that post regulary. Cheers Peter and thanks folks. -- to e-mail> remove brains and get back to me. "Peterz" wrote in message news:LNidnY91553Vn_uiXTWJkQ@magma.ca... > Hi Peter > > > I think that in general, if someone is in pain, having pain reduction as > something in my consciousness while doing Reiki is not violating the "for > the highest good" thing. But if I sat there "trying" to make a particular > thing in a client's body behave in some specific way, I would probably find > that I had lost the "Reiki on" state... > > My thoughts on the matter. > > Warm best, > Peterz > > > > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:17:43 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:17:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 105 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.79.194 X-Trace: sv3-uZNtnpO1Kt9SMR+6im5cNkn9uYheCvH1H9n3xiXSK3T7bOxnouIPnVBQRD8pU8xGKUjyunc3OUSlNHi!Hw4Y3OxpBX4dEqY/OkLLFPXR1spFxVqnU0+oEg6fzOewoIFiOrh25U+xineWkbuWk+FLihXGu3o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8864 Hi Peter I look at the "highest good" thing as a way not to get too caught up in intention. If you focus too much, I think that you probably lose your Ki state.... My Aikido teacher added a precept about Ki to the list usually used by the Ki society: Detach from all. The problem was that if you "attached" to a particular outcome, you screwed up the Ki state. He would test our stability, for instance. If you were attached to the result as a pass/fail thing, you would more than likely fail. If you did the "don't care", you were much better off. (We have all done this in some way, I think...) I think that in general, if someone is in pain, having pain reduction as something in my consciousness while doing Reiki is not violating the "for the highest good" thing. But if I sat there "trying" to make a particular thing in a client's body behave in some specific way, I would probably find that I had lost the "Reiki on" state... My thoughts on the matter. Warm best, Peterz www.onreiki.com "pr" wrote in message news:3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Deb" wrote in message > news:bjru2g$mt83e$1@ID-120246.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > > To me, "the highest good" sounds vague > > > and nebolous. It is probably similar to love, > > > everybody talks about it, pretends to know > > > what it is, but if asked what they exactly > > > mean by it have great difficulty to explain > > > it. > > > > For myself, I believe that the best I can specificly imagine (or > > visualize) is my 'good'. My 'highest good' would be beyond that. > > Beyond my imagination, ...better than my wildest dreams. > > If you can't visualize or conceptualize it it is > meaningless. > > > > Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > > "the highest good" not an ineffective way > > > due to its unfocused nature? > > > No, and mostly because, "Life knows its needs" > > I think it is a cop out. It is hiding our wishes, desires, > feelings, emotions behind a nice sounding phrase. > It is abdicating our responsibility because "something > else" will take care of it. > I suggest that when this phrase is used we know > *exactly* what we would like to see happen, but > somehow, in false modesty, we are reluctant to > declare it. We are indoctrinated by new age > thinking that to declare what we see as the desired > outcome in spiritual and maybe even physical terms > is not cool. It is also unsafe, because if I don't > succeed repeatedly it may affect my (self)-esteem > as a healer. > Mahatma Gandhi said this with regards to action and > results, which he calls the "fruit", as quoted in > Robert May's "Physicians of the Soul": > "This is the unmistakable teaching of the Gita. He who > gives up action falls. He who gives up only the reward > rises. But renunciation of fruit in no way means > indifference to the result. In regard to every action one > must know the result that is expected to follow, the > means thereto, and the capacity for it. He who, being > thus equipped, is without desire for the result, and yet > is wholly engrossed in due fulfillment of the task before > him, is said to have renounced the fruits of action." > > > Life indeed knows its needs, but do you? Or I? By > just leaving it to this vague, incomprehensible highest > good we also miss an opportunity to learn something > when the specific condition does not manifest. > Also, to not specify the aim of our actions in no way > means that we have renounced the fruit. We are > still attached to "doing good". > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F66095D.85A772B2@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:48:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1063651724 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:48:44 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:48:44 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8893 I don't know if this is sort of in the same level but I have learned that pain lessens when I allow myself to fully experience it rather than trying to suppress it. It's like going through it rather than finding a way to avoid it. Sort of like, "Got pain? Then have it." Works for me. YMMV Cheers Rich Peterz wrote: > > Hi Peter > > I look at the "highest good" thing as a way not to get too caught up in > intention. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f66eec4.3356335@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F66095D.85A772B2@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:05:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063710303 207.69.0.123 (Tue, 16 Sep 2003 04:05:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 04:05:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8885 On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:48:44 GMT, Rich wrote: >I don't know if this is sort of in the same level but I have learned >that pain lessens when I allow myself to fully experience it rather than >trying to suppress it. It's like going through it rather than finding a >way to avoid it. Sort of like, "Got pain? Then have it." Works for me. >YMMV >Cheers >Rich Rich, perhaps you and I see eye to eye, but are expressing it differently? When I'm in pain, I find that if I separate the pain from the suffering, ie, the physical signal from my emotional response to it, and just drop my emotional response, ie, stop gritting my teeth and stop saying "damn! that hurts! That $#%@ @%# $%@ thing!" then the pain itself is actually not all that bad. It just seemed that way because I was wallowing in my great, big, dramatic reaction to it. Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F672EB0.443D60A0@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F66095D.85A772B2@shaw.ca> <3f66eec4.3356335@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:40:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1063726816 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:40:16 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:40:16 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8903 Yep, kinda like that. Part of the conversation about 'creating our own reality'? Mind you, I really prefer the Old West ways of gritting your teeth after a couple shots of rotgut! Doctors back then really knew how to write a prescription! Cheers Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > Rich, perhaps you and I see eye to eye, but are expressing it > differently? When I'm in pain, I find that if I separate the pain from > the suffering, ie, the physical signal from my emotional response to > it, and just drop my emotional response, ie, stop gritting my teeth > and stop saying "damn! that hurts! That $#%@ @%# $%@ thing!" then the > pain itself is actually not all that bad. It just seemed that way > because I was wallowing in my great, big, dramatic reaction to it. > > Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:12:45 +0200 Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-27-27.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f6d1880.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 21 Sep 2003 05:18:24 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-27-27.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-27-27.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8924 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:31:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > Our life here is not supposed to be a Disleyland all the time... > > for many is a long Hell instead.. > > Actually, Heaven, Hell coexist here on Earth. Each of us decides what > we want it to be. :-) Really? When? Before birth? Or now? > > our place in the world? is the place where we actually are ! why > >searchin for it when we are fitting into it ! Well said from the vantage point of someone who probably lives in the one of the more affluent societies or at least has the resources of a computer and internet access. To a major part of the human population these would be signs of incredible material wealth. I wonder whether you would be of the same opinion if you were living in an environment of almost total deprivation as many people of the world have to? -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6d1c62.1683581@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63fb60.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6d1880.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 45 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:40:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064115651 207.69.12.130 (Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:40:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:40:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8926 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:12:45 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >news:3f64e2f1.355139@news.east.earthlink.net... >> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:31:55 +0200, Theo wrote: >> >> >> > Our life here is not supposed to be a Disleyland all the time... >> > for many is a long Hell instead.. >> >> Actually, Heaven, Hell coexist here on Earth. Each of us decides what >> we want it to be. :-) > >Really? When? Before birth? Or now? Now. Always now. There is never any other time. >> > our place in the world? is the place where we actually are ! why >> >searchin for it when we are fitting into it ! > >Well said from the vantage point of someone >who probably lives in the one of the more affluent >societies or at least has the resources of a >computer and internet access. To a major >part of the human population these would be >signs of incredible material wealth. >I wonder whether you would be of the same >opinion if you were living in an environment of >almost total deprivation as many people of the >world have to? I, for one, most likely would not be of the same opinion not because of deprivation, but because of ignorance of the spiritual understanding that I've been lucky to obtain because of my life situation. You are speaking of life situation, whereas Theo and I are speaking of Life. You are correct that it is difficult to pursue any sort of education, secular or spiritual, when one lacks food or shelter or other basic needs of life. Yet some people manage to become nourished spiritually in spite of being born into, and living their whole lives in poverty. Why do you think that is? Love and Life, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 40 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:03:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064116989 207.69.12.130 (Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:03:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:03:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8927 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for >"the highest good" not an ineffective way >due to its unfocused nature? Peter, I've been reading The Field by Lynne McTaggart and found an interesting passage about this. On pg 193 (2002 paperback edition) she says, referring to a healing study, "In fact, in Elisabeth's study, it didn't seem to matter what method you used, so long as you held an intention for a patient to heal." She goes on to list several examples of the widely varying techniques used by the healers in the study. Then she says, "But what they all seemed to have in common was an ability to get out of the way. It seemed to Elisabeth that most of them claimed to have put out their intention and then stepped back and surrendered to some other kind of healing force, as thought they were opening a door and allowing something greater in. Many of the more effective ones had asked for help from the spirit world or from the collective consciousness, or even from a religious figure such as Jesus. It was not an egoistic healing on their part, more like a request: 'please may this person be healed.' Much of their imagery had to do with relaxing, releasing or allowing the spirit, light or love in. The actual being, whether it was Jesus or Spider Woman, appeared irrelevant." Sounds to me like these successful healers were just "sending for The Highest Good." It's very much like what I was taught by my teachers, and close to my own practice, as well. I just establish the intention of healing for the "Highest Good" and then let 'er rip without expectation of what form the healing should take. It seems to me that if one is very, very specific, it's basically like trying to control the world with magic, to remake it into what you want, instead of simply accepting what is. This means that you're not living in the present moment, which means you are busily creating your own suffering. Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:37:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064122661 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:37:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:37:41 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8928 Hi Garry, In pondering your post I have just pondered the following ponder. How does what you say or what LM says in her book relate to, 'Keeping your hands in the various positions until you sense it is time to move on.' Should one place his hands, make the intention, and then get out of the way? Is having YOU decide when to move your hands somehow unnecessary or some kind of interference or some kind of egoism (whatever that might mean to readers in AHR)? Cheers Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > >due to its unfocused nature? > > Peter, I've been reading The Field by Lynne McTaggart and found an > interesting passage about this. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 49 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:49:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.12.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064141347 207.69.12.196 (Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:49:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:49:07 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!63.223.20.72.MISMATCH!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8925 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:37:41 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hi Garry, >In pondering your post I have just pondered the following ponder. >How does what you say or what LM says in her book relate to, 'Keeping >your hands >in the various positions until you sense it is time to move on.' Should >one place his hands, >make the intention, and then get out of the way? Is having YOU decide >when to move your >hands somehow unnecessary or some kind of interference or some kind of >egoism (whatever >that might mean to readers in AHR)? Since what you should be doing is just being there doing Reiki until you feel the flow subside or your intuition tells you it is time to move on, and *then* moving on, that's not really your decision (assuming you can keep your thinking mind out of it), you're really letting Source by whatever name you know it decide. You're just following "instructions", no? So I don't see this technique as being conflicting with what LM reports Elisabeth Targ said. Of course, sometimes we just don't have time to stay in a position that needs it for an extended length of time and have to make decisions based on practical considerations. However, while we *are* at that position, we can still just place our hands and 'step out of the way' for the length of time we do have. Does that make sense? Love and Light, Garry >Cheers >Rich > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: >> >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: >> >> >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for >> >"the highest good" not an ineffective way >> >due to its unfocused nature? >> >> Peter, I've been reading The Field by Lynne McTaggart and found an >> interesting passage about this. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1064171632 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:13:52 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:13:52 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8932 Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal conversations about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all the 'incorrect' things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, etc...... and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? And we've been around and around with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it complicated' I always say! Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > Since what you should be doing is just being there doing Reiki until > you feel the flow subside or your intuition tells you it is time to > move on, and *then* moving on, that's not really your decision > (assuming you can keep your thinking mind out of it), you're really > letting Source by whatever name you know it decide. You're just > following "instructions", no? So I don't see this technique as being > conflicting with what LM reports Elisabeth Targ said. Of course, > sometimes we just don't have time to stay in a position that needs it > for an extended length of time and have to make decisions based on > practical considerations. However, while we *are* at that position, we > can still just place our hands and 'step out of the way' for the > length of time we do have. > > Does that make sense? > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 46 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:55:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064174151 207.69.14.175 (Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:55:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:55:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in-maxim.spamkiller.net!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8930 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:52 GMT, Rich wrote: >Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal >conversations >about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all >the 'incorrect' >things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, >etc...... >and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? And we've been >around and around >with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it >complicated' I always say! >Rich Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that it's not *us* that's making things happen here, it's Source, God, The Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as individuals didn't cause the results. :-) Taking ownership of something that we aren't responsible for is going to cause us some emotional grief sooner or later. By doing so we're just creating our own suffering. Which leads us to another aspect of Reiki that may stimulate some brouhahas--is Reiki's main purpose to heal others, or is it to heal our own relationship with Source? Or put another way, was the original intention of Reiki to help lead one to enlightenment? Of course, in Western style Reiki we seem to have lost a lot, if not almost all, of that aspect, being almost entirely focused on the healing of others aspect. And we may pay lip service to the 5 Precepts, but do we truly understand what they mean and do we truly understand why we should (or should not?) put them into practice in our daily lives, and how to do so? And, of course, there's the whole issue of taking the system out of context--what do most of us know about Japanese culture and the various subcultures that Usui was immersed in, and how does this affect how we interpret what we've been handed? Instead of using Reiki as a tool to help awaken the dreamer, we may be using it as a tool to help keep us unconscious. Healer, heal thyself! Of course, YMMV. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6e27ec.526394@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 50 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:43:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064184189 207.69.1.55 (Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:43:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:43:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8933 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:48:26 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >"Nadie Niemand" wrote in message >news:3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net... >> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: >> >> >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for >> >"the highest good" not an ineffective way >> >due to its unfocused nature? > >Your reply requires a longer response, but somehow >I feel that I am not getting answers to my original >question of effectivness. So let me ask it differently. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't the right answer. Or maybe it's that you're asking the wrong question? :-) >If I send Reiki to two people who are in a relationship >will each one get one "unit" of Reiki or will they only >get half a "unit"? Supply of Reiki is unlimited. AFAIK only the Reiki Alliance claims to be able to break Reiki up into units, and used that measure to determine that 3rd degree training costs $10,000 on the basis of one dollar for one unit of Reiki. ;-) >What if I have a million people in mind? And if each >one gets a full unit anyway, why don't I just send reiki >into the universe? Okay, I'm game. Why not? We might be surprised that we've overlooked the obvious for so long. :-) >But if that is the case, why do many, with distant >healing, focus on the recipient even if they only >have a name? Why wait until someone asks for reiki >and then write ROTW and send it? Why not just send >it out in a preventative manner and reply "sent it >yesterday already"? Because there is no past or future, there is only one big NOW? :-) Which explains why sending Reiki to the past or to the future works, namely because all time is now. So whenever you send it, it is always sent now. Whenever it is received, it is always received now. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:19:34 +0200 Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-167.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 22 Sep 2003 05:52:13 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-167.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-167.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8936 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... > Am having another one of those 'pondering' > Sundays. Hey, talk about brouhahas...read on!! Regarding 'results, etc.' > We could have a discussion about who these 'others' are that we try to > heal. > Is there any difference in healing ourselves and healing others? > Aren't we them? Aren't we ALL one? Yes and No. > Then we could have a discussion about our relationship with this > Universe, God, etc. Isn't that us? Yes and No. >We have been 'taught' to be humble, > submissive, > self-chastising > creatures of our God and only this God can heal. (Actually we are taught > that we are > 'sons and daughters of God' but only if that means we don't let it go to > our heads) > Our Westernized or religionized culture? > We could also have a discussion about the origin of Reiki in the Eastern > culture and > how we have attempted to alter it to fit our West-like minds. As you > noted, is it possible to > even understand the culture that created Reiki? Probably not, as a > Westerner. You just wrote about being taught to be humble, submissive, self-chastising. Here is the result. I do not share your pessimism. > Then we could have a discussion about the enlightenment thingy. > Aren't we already enlightened, saying we are not because of our > assessment of what 'enlightenment' really should be? "Jeepers, I don't > FEEL enlightened!" :-) > Then we could have a discussion about 'We are born and we die..... > everything in between we make up.' Well, maybe we should discuss this > one further! > Notice the commonality in it all? 'Discussion'. That's it. We just love > to discuss things to death! That certainly helps keep us unconscious. We do, it does. That is why newsgroup are so terrible :) or maybe :( > Somehow I think Reiki is like a ladder. It is getting us > to some higher place in our spiritual evolution as humans. (What is a > human being, really?) There you almost got it. > But when we get to where it is > taking us we need to let go of the ladder and move on to what is next. There you lost it. > (A new kind of ladder?) > We can't keep dragging the old ladder behind us. It has done its job and > we honor it. > Of course, it is understood that some are still looking for the ladder. > What will replace this ladder? I can't wait to find out!! Look around you. There are many who have found out in the past. They have even told us, it is ...... nothing. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F6E64FB.23DA3CA0@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6e2b9e.1472412@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:58:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1064199481 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:58:01 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:58:01 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8944 Gee, I dunno, Garry. Seems like, "When you're hot, you're hot! And when you're not, you're not!" :-) Rich Nadie Niemand wrote: > > P.S. Instead of speculating, why not try it? Set up an experiment with > appropriate controls where in some cases you send for "The Highest > Good" and in other cases you focus on specific outcomes. Have an > appropriate standard measure for the results and then compare. Since > your question is results oriented, this seems the most logical way to > proceed so that you can measure your results and determine which > method is most efficacious. No? > > Garry > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:33:04 +0200 Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-167.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f6e71ee.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 22 Sep 2003 05:52:14 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-167.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-167.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8937 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:52 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal > >conversations > >about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all > >the 'incorrect' > >things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, > >etc...... > >and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? And we've been > >around and around > >with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it > >complicated' I always say! > > Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or > "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that > it's not *us* that's making things happen here, it's Source, God, The > Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for > several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as > individuals didn't cause the results. :-) I am begining to see where the confusion comes in. You assume that being focused or being effective automatically means being attached to a result. Furthermore, you seem to imply that such attributes also mean that it is "us" who is causing something to happen. I do not make either assumption. It is possible to be focused without result attachment and seeing myself as the causative agent. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:51:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1064206300 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:51:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:51:40 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8942 pr wrote: > > "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... > > > Am having another one of those 'pondering' > > Sundays. > > >We have been 'taught' to be humble, > > submissive, > > self-chastising > > creatures of our God and only this God can heal. (Actually we are taught > > that we are > > 'sons and daughters of God' but only if that means we don't let it go to > > our heads) > > Our Westernized or religionized culture? > > We could also have a discussion about the origin of Reiki in the Eastern > > culture and > > how we have attempted to alter it to fit our West-like minds. As you > > noted, is it possible to > > even understand the culture that created Reiki? Probably not, as a > > Westerner. > > You just wrote about being taught to be humble, submissive, > self-chastising. Here is the result. I do not share your > pessimism. I don't quite understand your response. 'Result?' Oh well, let's jump in anyway! Whoa! What pessimism? In my world, God isn't humble, submissive or self-chastising. Either should the children of God be taught to be...they are after all, as Gods. Objecting to what has been pounded into our heads may be 'questioning' but certainly not pessimistic! Or are you referring to the last part of the paragraph..about the West/East culture thing? Once again, there is no pessimism there. If we assume we can see through the eyes of another culture, we could be totally missing what is really available to share between us. There are many things we are 'taught' that I disagree with...like you are doing with my posting from what you were taught. But hey, what else is there to do on a blustry Sunday eve? :-) Cheers! Rich ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6ecb36.832353@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e71ee.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:27:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064226463 207.69.0.233 (Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:27:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:27:43 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8940 On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:33:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > >I am begining to see where the confusion comes in. You >assume that being focused or being effective automatically >means being attached to a result. Furthermore, you seem >to imply that such attributes also mean that it is "us" who >is causing something to happen. Uh, no. I just said that we are *not* the cause of the results. So why do you think I mean that it is "us" who is causing something to happen? You are right that being focused or being effective does not automatically mean being attached to a result (people who don't really understand detachment will have problems understanding that statement, though). However, I *do* think that being focused on left brain reasoning decreases our ability to stay in touch with whatever it is we access when we do Reiki. Thinking on, Reiki off; thinking off, Reiki on. This is not from any dogma that I've been taught, but from my personal experience. YMMV of course. Also, do we really know what is best for the person? To focus on fixing something specific, that means we need specific information to focus on the cause, and specific training as to how to rectify the situation, no? If not, then you're saying that anything we can imagine we can bring into existence without knowing the whys and wherefores, or in other words, we (our egos) can perform miracles by simply wishing for whatever we specifically want, details be hanged. Does your experience bear this out? Does your experience show that, even if you don't get exactly what you wished for, that your results are better than they would be if you simply sent Reiki for the "highest good"? Love and Light, Garry ###### From: vinny@angelreiki.nu (Vinny) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: 22 Sep 2003 07:14:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 36 Message-ID: <50648ce8.0309220614.2a195c4c@posting.google.com> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e71ee.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.63.195.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064240064 32718 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2003 14:14:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2003 14:14:24 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8941 Greetings Peter; Gassho and Bow. you shared: > I am begining to see where the confusion comes in. You > assume that being focused or being effective automatically > means being attached to a result. :) Only when one focuses on the result, hahahaha What is that old Zen Maxim, "great effort, no goal"? There is great focus when doing reiki, on doing reiki :) When doing reiki, do reiki....... you shared >Furthermore, you seem > to imply that such attributes also mean that it is "us" who > is causing something to happen. > I do not make either assumption. It is possible to be focused > without result attachment and seeing myself as the causative > agent. yes :) What is that old joke.... "I am sure there is cause and effect, I am just never sure which is which...." Take gentle care; Vinny ###### Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:53:52 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.90.231 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.90.231 Message-ID: <3f6f0a17$1_5@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1064241687 62.202.90.231 (22 Sep 2003 16:41:27 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 33 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8939 Rich wrote: > pr wrote: >>"Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... >>>Am having another one of those 'pondering' >>>Sundays. >>>We have been 'taught' to be humble, I hate being humble... it is always the others that must learn to be humble.. Being humble is being hypocrite because in fact the humble-looking person is playing a role, when a person is humble has a normal attitude , does not show it ,it is by its acts that others can realize he is humble The humble attitude is in my opinon the attitude of someone that is in self admiration and showing condiscenddence for that bouch of troll that are not enlightened as he is .. being humble is gibberish IMHO who is humble does not need to be humble >>>submissive, SM maybe >>>self-chastising what a program! enjoy life it will be over quicker than you think ! Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <0405e3ec231d34779d315393b1009f83@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:23:18 GMT Lines: 72 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e71ee.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8943 "pr" wrote in message news:3f6e71ee.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net... > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:52 GMT, Rich wrote: > > > > >Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal > > >conversations > > >about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all > > >the 'incorrect' > > >things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, > > >etc...... > > >and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? And we've been > > >around and around > > >with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it > > >complicated' I always say! > > > > Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or > > "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that > > it's not *us* that's making things happen here, it's Source, God, The > > Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for > > several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as > > individuals didn't cause the results. :-) > I am begining to see where the confusion comes in. You > assume that being focused or being effective automatically > means being attached to a result. Ironically, to be unattached to a result, one must believe the universe has our " highest good " in mind. Such a belief takes a trust in life not commonly found. All healing falls under a larger canopy of self love. > Furthermore, you seem > to imply that such attributes also mean that it is "us" who > is causing something to happen. In our own sphere, it is "us" who causes something to happen. Even if the cause is simply getting ourselves out of the way for intended things to manifest. If we can "cause" things not to happen by being attached, then, we do our part as cause to make our commands and letting it go. > I do not make either assumption. It is possible to be focused > without result attachment and seeing myself as the causative > agent. Your question: "Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for "the highest good" not an ineffective way due to its unfocused nature?", would point to the fact that you do make that assumption to one degree or another. > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <5defaf05d9dda8727b746fa51508cf69@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:08:38 GMT Lines: 42 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f6f0a17$1_5@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8935 "Theo" wrote in message news:3f6f0a17$1_5@news.bluewin.ch... > Rich wrote: > > > > pr wrote: > >>"Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... > >>>Am having another one of those 'pondering' > >>>Sundays. > >>>We have been 'taught' to be humble, > I hate being humble... > it is always the others that must learn to be humble.. > Being humble is being hypocrite because in fact the humble-looking > person is playing a role, when a person is humble has a normal > attitude , does not show it ,it is by its acts that others can realize > he is humble > The humble attitude is in my opinon the attitude of someone that is in > self admiration and showing condiscenddence for that bouch of troll > that are not enlightened as he is .. > > being humble is gibberish IMHO > who is humble does not need to be humble Being humble is a *quiet* knowing. >submissive, > SM maybe > >>>self-chastising > > what a program! > > > enjoy life it will be over quicker than you think ! > Theo > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F6F378F.AD3DC22A@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f6f0a17$1_5@news.bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:56:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064253389 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:56:29 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:56:29 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8945 Exactly, Theo! "Everything to excess! Humility is for monks!" :-) Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > > pr wrote: > >>"Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... > >>>Am having another one of those 'pondering' > >>>Sundays. > >>>We have been 'taught' to be humble, > I hate being humble... > it is always the others that must learn to be humble.. > Being humble is being hypocrite because in fact the humble-looking > person is playing a role, when a person is humble has a normal > attitude , does not show it ,it is by its acts that others can realize > he is humble > The humble attitude is in my opinon the attitude of someone that is in > self admiration and showing condiscenddence for that bouch of troll > that are not enlightened as he is .. > > being humble is gibberish IMHO > who is humble does not need to be humble > > >>>submissive, > SM maybe > >>>self-chastising > > what a program! > > enjoy life it will be over quicker than you think ! > Theo ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F6F38CE.DF38EAEF@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f6f0a17$1_5@news.bluewin.ch> <5defaf05d9dda8727b746fa51508cf69@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:01:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064253708 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:01:48 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:01:48 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8946 > Being humble is a *quiet* knowing. Exactly! And that's what I think Theo said also! Rich arthealer wrote: > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:3f6f0a17$1_5@news.bluewin.ch... > > Rich wrote: > > > > > > I hate being humble... > > it is always the others that must learn to be humble.. > > Being humble is being hypocrite because in fact the humble-looking > > person is playing a role, when a person is humble has a normal > > attitude , does not show it ,it is by its acts that others can realize > > he is humble > > The humble attitude is in my opinon the attitude of someone that is in > > self admiration and showing condiscenddence for that bouch of troll > > that are not enlightened as he is .. > > > > being humble is gibberish IMHO > > who is humble does not need to be humble > > ###### From: "JC" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Lines: 87 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.236.207.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1064276976 12.236.207.18 (Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:29:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:29:36 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:29:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8948 Peterz I don't normally respond (do to being new and shy) but this hit home to me. I find myself often humming a note during my sessions. It is a note that just pops into my head - but resonates with the energy that I am feeling in my hands. I have tried to change the note, just to see what happens and I notice that it is like singing a C# against a C or a D, and it actually starts to hurt. More and more - I am learning to be the bottle and just let the hum be what it needs to be. One note - the tone seems to change instantly when the urge/prompt to move to the next location happens ... mmmmmm wonder if that is like putting water in the bottle and the tone changes ????? Thanks for showing me I am not the only one who has a 'musical' connection to this energy. ReikiCheb - "Peterz" wrote in message news:ivadnS0JAefr4vKiU-KYgw@magma.ca... > Peter and all: > > Often I think of Reiki as my resonating with the energy that is around us - > like a bottle or instrument resonates at a certain frequency when air is > blown across it. The "sound" can help heal. I am the bottle; I participate > in the process by being that bottle. But the bottle is not "doing" > anything - just being the conduit and resonance chamber. The energy is > other-sourced. Trying to "change" the note will corrupt my shape and > resonance -do not do that. As long as I allow myself to resonate - open the > top of the bottle and leave it empty - the sound will be produced and come > out and it will be heard by whoever listens, with whatever result. How may > people hear it?? I do not know. There is no humility here - just resonance. > > Similes often fall apart during analysis, but I like this one. > > Warm best to all, > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com > > > > "pr" wrote in message > news:3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > news:3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net... > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > > > >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > > >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > > > >due to its unfocused nature? > > > > Your reply requires a longer response, but somehow > > I feel that I am not getting answers to my original > > question of effectivness. So let me ask it differently. > > > > If I send Reiki to two people who are in a relationship > > will each one get one "unit" of Reiki or will they only > > get half a "unit"? > > What if I have a million people in mind? And if each > > one gets a full unit anyway, why don't I just send reiki > > into the universe? > > But if that is the case, why do many, with distant > > healing, focus on the recipient even if they only > > have a name? Why wait until someone asks for reiki > > and then write ROTW and send it? Why not just send > > it out in a preventative manner and reply "sent it > > yesterday already"? > > > > -- > > Namu Amida Butsu > > Peter Reber > > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f6fa109.537756@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:22:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064280132 207.69.14.112 (Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:22:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:22:12 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8947 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:29:36 GMT, "JC" wrote: >Thanks for showing me I am not the only one who has a 'musical' connection >to this energy. > >ReikiCheb - Whether electromagnetic waves (light et al) or sound, it's all vibration when you get down to it. Vibrating packets of energy, sometimes vibrating in harmony and sometimes out. Keep on hummin'! Love and Light, Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:47:28 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 120 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.3 X-Trace: sv3-GyFzHV7UIMuKQ7IWDuYATsriqZ0qc1fHyYDSzdpMXa99GXKmezi0ARekfVjlUTlWmyyhW1j7kx+XSjO!5RlVt/0bYCcIaHR9pLqjXJ/YrSAKt/OAlwlDWN1smNYzc38yCXwULAbz16NH9lZsVLn/hxGkww== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8953 Hi No need to be shy with this group :) I have a note that sometimes I feel the need to intone - generally the same, very low (but that may just be my range...). I do not do it when doing Reiki to others (just to self), not because of any restriction but just because it does not come to me then. I certainly notice a change in the feeling - resonance?? - when it is time to move. I like your analogy about the water, or perhaps you and the client are now resonating together. (For a detailed look at the physics, check out James Oschman's book about energy medicine and science. WL Rand interviewed him, and this article talks about a lot of it: http://www.spiritualone.com/Download/OschmanReprint2.pdf ) Warm best to all, Peterz www.onreiki.com "JC" wrote in message news:QtMbb.315730$2x.93239@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > Peterz > > I don't normally respond (do to being new and shy) but this hit home to me. > I find myself often humming a note during my sessions. It is a note that > just pops into my head - but resonates with the energy that I am feeling in > my hands. I have tried to change the note, just to see what happens and I > notice that it is like singing a C# against a C or a D, and it actually > starts to hurt. > More and more - I am learning to be the bottle and just let the hum be what > it needs to be. > One note - the tone seems to change instantly when the urge/prompt to move > to the next location happens ... mmmmmm wonder if that is like putting water > in the bottle and the tone changes ????? > > Thanks for showing me I am not the only one who has a 'musical' connection > to this energy. > > ReikiCheb - > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:ivadnS0JAefr4vKiU-KYgw@magma.ca... > > Peter and all: > > > > Often I think of Reiki as my resonating with the energy that is around > us - > > like a bottle or instrument resonates at a certain frequency when air is > > blown across it. The "sound" can help heal. I am the bottle; I participate > > in the process by being that bottle. But the bottle is not "doing" > > anything - just being the conduit and resonance chamber. The energy is > > other-sourced. Trying to "change" the note will corrupt my shape and > > resonance -do not do that. As long as I allow myself to resonate - open > the > > top of the bottle and leave it empty - the sound will be produced and > come > > out and it will be heard by whoever listens, with whatever result. How may > > people hear it?? I do not know. There is no humility here - just > resonance. > > > > Similes often fall apart during analysis, but I like this one. > > > > Warm best to all, > > > > Peterz > > > > www.onreiki.com > > > > > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:3f6e0f3c.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > > news:3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net... > > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > > > > > > > >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > > > >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > > > > >due to its unfocused nature? > > > > > > Your reply requires a longer response, but somehow > > > I feel that I am not getting answers to my original > > > question of effectivness. So let me ask it differently. > > > > > > If I send Reiki to two people who are in a relationship > > > will each one get one "unit" of Reiki or will they only > > > get half a "unit"? > > > What if I have a million people in mind? And if each > > > one gets a full unit anyway, why don't I just send reiki > > > into the universe? > > > But if that is the case, why do many, with distant > > > healing, focus on the recipient even if they only > > > have a name? Why wait until someone asks for reiki > > > and then write ROTW and send it? Why not just send > > > it out in a preventative manner and reply "sent it > > > yesterday already"? > > > > > > -- > > > Namu Amida Butsu > > > Peter Reber > > > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <38b5d582caca7529a1d70b5ab312611f@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:30:26 GMT Lines: 40 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8951 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:10:56 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >However, that the Universe knows its needs, does not make > >grilled chicken fly into your mouth every day. > > The Universe must know I would get bored pretty quickly with grilled > chicken.... > > >The ignorant have free will, the enlightened do not. > >Somehing similar could be said about self. > >Free will and self is another topic on its own. Do we > >really want to start that? > > Ok, without getting into that topic, let's think about this: > > You do not have to consciously think about how to make a scratch heal > or make your immune system beat an infection. You can influence these > things by taking conscious action, but your body is quite capable of > doing these things without your meddling. One might assume that the > body knows how to utilize healing ki without anyone's conscious > planning. >Ergo, it is sufficient to send it. If the body knows how to utilize it without anyone's conscious energy then why is is nessesary to "send" it? I would think that part of utilization would be acquisition, no?:) Of course, I haven't > proved anything, just expressed a pet theory with no data to back it. > What are your thoughts? > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <5adfe6322f2702e1e90e2f2a76eded27@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:08:13 GMT Lines: 24 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8952 "pr" wrote in message news:3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > The ignorant have free will, the enlightened do not. Is this hearsay? > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <93d82b4a90ae694386b38ed80661553c@news.teranews.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:54:07 GMT Lines: 85 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8955 "pr" wrote in message news:3f631e4b.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > "Deb" wrote in message > news:bjru2g$mt83e$1@ID-120246.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > "pr" wrote in message > > news:3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > > > > > To me, "the highest good" sounds vague > > > and nebolous. It is probably similar to love, > > > everybody talks about it, pretends to know > > > what it is, but if asked what they exactly > > > mean by it have great difficulty to explain > > > it. > > > > For myself, I believe that the best I can specificly imagine (or > > visualize) is my 'good'. My 'highest good' would be beyond that. > > Beyond my imagination, ...better than my wildest dreams. > > If you can't visualize or conceptualize it it is > meaningless. > > > > Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > > > "the highest good" not an ineffective way > > > due to its unfocused nature? > > > No, and mostly because, "Life knows its needs" > > I think it is a cop out. It is hiding our wishes, desires, > feelings, emotions behind a nice sounding phrase. > It is abdicating our responsibility because "something > else" will take care of it. > I suggest that when this phrase is used we know > *exactly* what we would like to see happen, but > somehow, in false modesty, we are reluctant to > declare it. We are indoctrinated by new age > thinking that to declare what we see as the desired > outcome in spiritual and maybe even physical terms > is not cool. It is also unsafe, because if I don't > succeed repeatedly it may affect my (self)-esteem > as a healer. > Mahatma Gandhi said this with regards to action and > results, which he calls the "fruit", as quoted in > Robert May's "Physicians of the Soul": > "This is the unmistakable teaching of the Gita. He who > gives up action falls. He who gives up only the reward > rises. But renunciation of fruit in no way means > indifference to the result. In regard to every action one > must know the result that is expected to follow, the > means thereto, and the capacity for it. He who, being > thus equipped, is without desire for the result, and yet > is wholly engrossed in due fulfillment of the task before > him, is said to have renounced the fruits of action." To me, this speaks more about healing as a way of life instead of some action that might enable one to get on with life. It also tells how to be unattached to an outcome. . . the means becomes more important than the one intended outcome. . . *because it is* > Life indeed knows its needs, but do you? Or I? By > just leaving it to this vague, incomprehensible highest > good we also miss an opportunity to learn something > when the specific condition does not manifest. > Also, to not specify the aim of our actions in no way > means that we have renounced the fruit. We are > still attached to "doing good". > > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:13:05 GMT Lines: 23 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8950 "Theo" wrote in message news:bjvnud$f36$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > > Do not worry just by sending it is a love attitude .. Reiki knows > what to do .. beautifully said! > namaste > Theo > > > Namu Amida Butsu > > Peter Reber > > "Life knows its needs" > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f723527.356913@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net> <38b5d582caca7529a1d70b5ab312611f@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:20:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.32.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064449227 207.69.32.3 (Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:20:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:20:27 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8961 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:30:26 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >> You do not have to consciously think about how to make a scratch heal >> or make your immune system beat an infection. You can influence these >> things by taking conscious action, but your body is quite capable of >> doing these things without your meddling. One might assume that the >> body knows how to utilize healing ki without anyone's conscious >> planning. >>Ergo, it is sufficient to send it. > >If the body knows how to utilize it without anyone's conscious energy then >why is is nessesary to "send" it? I would think that part of utilization >would be acquisition, no?:) Your body knows how to use water without being told, too, but it still has to be "sent" to you, no? But that's just thinking on the physical level. On an energetic level, it's just a matter of consciousness making an intention, since the ki is already everywhere. "Send" in that case is just a convenient nickname that we use instead of "we're setting our intention for you to absorb and utilize healing ki". Or how do you see it? Love and Light, Garry > Of course, I haven't >> proved anything, just expressed a pet theory with no data to back it. >> What are your thoughts? >> >> Love and Light, >> >> Garry >> > > ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:20:07 +0200 Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-202-46.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 25 Sep 2003 05:40:46 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-202-46.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-202-46.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8957 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca... > > > pr wrote: > > > > "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... > > > > > Am having another one of those 'pondering' > > > Sundays. > > > > >We have been 'taught' to be humble, > > > submissive, > > > self-chastising > > > creatures of our God and only this God can heal. (Actually we are taught > > > that we are > > > 'sons and daughters of God' but only if that means we don't let it go to > > > our heads) > > > Our Westernized or religionized culture? > > > We could also have a discussion about the origin of Reiki in the Eastern > > > culture and > > > how we have attempted to alter it to fit our West-like minds. As you > > > noted, is it possible to > > > even understand the culture that created Reiki? Probably not, as a > > > Westerner. > > > > You just wrote about being taught to be humble, submissive, > > self-chastising. Here is the result. I do not share your > > pessimism. > > I don't quite understand your response. 'Result?' Oh well, let's jump in > anyway! > Whoa! What pessimism? Your pessimism that Westerners are probably not (never?) able to understand "the culture that created reiki". This is the result of applied humbleness, submissiveness and self-chastising as taught to us. > Objecting > to what has been pounded into our heads may be 'questioning' but > certainly not pessimistic! Questioning is not, but your answer which includes "probably not", is. > Or are you referring to the last part of the paragraph..about the > West/East culture thing? > Once again, there is no pessimism there. If we assume we can see through > the eyes of another culture, > we could be totally missing what is really available to share between > us. You think too much. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 97 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:25:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1064467501 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:25:01 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:25:01 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8963 pr wrote: > > > Whoa! What pessimism? > > Your pessimism that Westerners are probably not (never?) able > to understand "the culture that created reiki". This is the > result of applied humbleness, submissiveness and self-chastising > as taught to us. Hmm. I'm starting to see what could be happening here, maybe. (Gotta say 'maybe'. Am now gun shy!) Had a friend once who appeared to be very exacting in his languaging. If I said, "It sure is hot!", he'd say, "Well, actually it may be quite warm, but certainly not hot. Hot would be something like 45deg C and it's only 30deg." Okay. Let's try to be a bit more meticulous, then. I must take back everything I have said, Peter, since it can possibly be taken apart with microscopic language surgery, maybe. Correcting myself..."It could be an issue to assume that the traditions, principles, etc. of a culture are unaltered by the devastation of world war, and the losses of great numbers of the people who may have been the base of the 'Reiki initiated'?" Do you know that's not the case? I don't so I feel it safer to suggest we may not know and maybe cannot know, rather than assume otherwise and head off in some confused other direction. What right do I have to be involved in any of this assuming anyway? None! I was passing by, saw this game going on and jumped in to play! Rats! NOW you tell me there are specific rules to follow! Of course, there could be individuals who could be very astute, having spent many years studying and living in those other cultures. These people could have a better grasp of the life of that culture, especially if they lived there years ago, before the influence of other cultures was impressed on those cultures. Maybe. What I meant to say was that if we do not do the work of studying others, (if indeed they can be studied in the context they existed years ago) we could come up with some unfortunate assumptions, maybe. Of course, this study has to be more than reading or listening to theories about. Of course, another way to have looked at what I had said would have been to listen like this. "Reiki came out of another culture, maybe very different from what it is today. Let's really make sure we understand that." As an example...having worked with a consulting team in Russia a few years ago, in examining the distinctions in our languages, we discovered that the word 'responsible' could mean something very different to those who lived under Communism. > > > Objecting > > to what has been pounded into our heads may be 'questioning' but > > certainly not pessimistic! > > Questioning is not, but your answer which includes "probably not", is. By golly, you got me again! However, most of the people I know do not understand Reiki, universal energy, the North American culture, the Eastern culture, etc. so I just went way out on a limb and concluded that they wouldn't understand the pre-war culture of Japan, since they have no interest in learning about it. So I have earned 'a good whuppin' upside the head!' ;-\ > > Or are you referring to the last part of the paragraph..about the > > West/East culture thing? > > Once again, there is no pessimism there. If we assume we can see through > > the eyes of another culture, > > we could be totally missing what is really available to share between > > us. > > You think too much. I'll admit that I have gotten myself into some real pickles by questioning/thinking and that's the gift I was allocated this time around! I feel very fortunate and love to play the cards I was dealt! But let's not take things too seriously! Way back, I introduced myself as one who would not be too serious, would even be contrary, irreverent, irrelevant, maybe step on a few toes, and much more. I am in 'continuous learning mode' and have an extremely exciting and rewarding life to show for it. So what can I say, Peter? Don't be too hard on yourself, my friend. I enjoy your posts. It's just that I don't really take you too seriously either. So get out there and be outrageous! It feels good!! Cheers and much Peace Rich > -- > Namu Amida Butsu > Peter Reber > "Life knows its needs" ###### Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:16:22 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.131.158 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.131.158 Message-ID: <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1064574231 62.203.131.158 (26 Sep 2003 13:03:51 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 126 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8964 Hi Rich I think this discussinon is going nowhere can a foregner living in the states afer 30 years be considered 100% american? and be able to react as an american born kid with american born parents ? I do not think so . Ssome people can just get into the mould some cannot..it is a matter of nature .. so if it is so hard for a white to fit into another's white mentality imagine my friends what could be difficult four on occidental to get into the mould of 4000 years of buddhism shaped mentality .. it is not possible the mobility the oriental showed to change from a middle age mentality into a futurist one in 50 years shows how plastic they mentally are in and how sclerotic we are in our western culture they can live in different worlds and feel absolutely comfortable we cannot ! I hope this will give another issue to the discussion..about understanding Reiki Namaste Theo Rich wrote: > > pr wrote: > > > >>>Whoa! What pessimism? >> >>Your pessimism that Westerners are probably not (never?) able >>to understand "the culture that created reiki". This is the >>result of applied humbleness, submissiveness and self-chastising >>as taught to us. > > > Hmm. I'm starting to see what could be happening here, maybe. (Gotta say > 'maybe'. Am now gun shy!) Had a friend once who appeared to be very > exacting in > his languaging. If I said, "It sure is hot!", he'd say, "Well, actually > it may be quite warm, but certainly not hot. Hot would be something like > 45deg C and it's only 30deg." Okay. Let's try to be a bit more > meticulous, then. > I must take back everything I have said, Peter, since it can possibly be > taken apart with microscopic language surgery, maybe. > Correcting myself..."It could be an issue to assume that the traditions, > principles, etc. of a culture are unaltered by the devastation of world > war, and the losses of great numbers of the people who may have been the > base of the 'Reiki initiated'?" Do you know that's not the case? I don't > so I feel it safer to suggest we may not know and maybe cannot know, > rather than assume otherwise and head off in some confused other > direction. What right do I have to be involved in any of this assuming > anyway? None! I was passing by, saw this game going on and jumped in to > play! Rats! NOW you tell me there are specific rules to follow! > Of course, there could be individuals who could be very astute, having > spent many years studying and living in those other cultures. These > people could have a better grasp of the life of that culture, especially > if they lived there years ago, before the influence of other cultures > was impressed on those cultures. Maybe. > What I meant to say was that if we do not do the work of studying > others, (if indeed they can be studied in the context they existed years > ago) we could come up with some unfortunate assumptions, maybe. Of > course, this study has to be more than reading or listening to theories > about. > Of course, another way to have looked at what I had said would have been > to listen like this. "Reiki came out of another culture, maybe very > different from what it is today. Let's really make sure we understand > that." > As an example...having worked with a consulting team in Russia a few > years ago, in examining the distinctions in our languages, we discovered > that the word 'responsible' could mean something very different to those > who lived under Communism. > > >>>Objecting >>>to what has been pounded into our heads may be 'questioning' but >>>certainly not pessimistic! >> >>Questioning is not, but your answer which includes "probably not", is. > > > By golly, you got me again! However, most of the people I know do > not understand > Reiki, universal energy, the North American culture, the Eastern > culture, etc. so I just went way out on a limb and concluded that they > wouldn't understand the pre-war culture of Japan, since they have no > interest in learning about it. So I have earned 'a good whuppin' upside > the head!' ;-\ > > >>>Or are you referring to the last part of the paragraph..about the >>>West/East culture thing? >>>Once again, there is no pessimism there. If we assume we can see through >>>the eyes of another culture, >>>we could be totally missing what is really available to share between >>>us. >> >>You think too much. > > > I'll admit that I have gotten myself into some real pickles by > questioning/thinking > and that's the gift I was allocated this time around! I feel very > fortunate and love to > play the cards I was dealt! > But let's not take things too seriously! > Way back, I introduced myself as one who would not be too serious, would > even be contrary, > irreverent, irrelevant, maybe step on a few toes, and much more. > I am in 'continuous learning mode' and > have an extremely exciting and rewarding life to show for it. So what > can I say, Peter? > Don't be too hard on yourself, my friend. I enjoy your posts. It's just > that I don't really take you too seriously either. So get out there and > be outrageous! It feels good!! > Cheers and much Peace > Rich > > > >>-- >>Namu Amida Butsu >>Peter Reber >>"Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F7454F6.6FC7CB3B@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:03:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1064588606 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:03:26 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:03:26 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8970 Hi Theo, I hear what you say, and sometimes there is more value in a conversation than appears on the surface. There definitely is something to be said for being careful of one's languaging and we need to be reminded of that from time to time. As a committed student of 'human being' I find myself drawn to interact in situations that allow for this 'uncovering' of what it means to be human. As an example, what humans do in their interactions is 'generalize'. So, when I generalize and it is pointed out, it's more valuable to look at it like, "Oops! Caught in the act of being human!" than to be upset about it. And we can have more of a relationship across cultures if we are light-hearted about recognizing our differences as we go. Unfortunately, many conversations aren't about the topic in play, but about other things that humans do. These include defending, avoiding domination, evaluating, and stuff like that. We all do it (if your thoughts went, "Not me!", then you just did it!). When I interact with my older Aunts and Uncles I must keep in mind that they were treated very shabbily when they first came to this country and this is reflected in their communications. They have a wonderful, powerful contribution to make to my life and the joy in interacting comes from discovering the 'gold' in the interaction...different for each of us! So, Theo, I am complete with the topic of my posting and the value of it has come from a different direction than the topic offered. Make sense? Cheers Rich Theo wrote: > > Hi Rich I think this discussinon is going nowhere > can a foregner living in the states afer 30 years be considered > 100% american? and be able to react as an american born kid with > american born parents ? > I do not think so . > Ssome people can just get into the mould some cannot..it is a matter > of nature .. ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:29:58 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F7454F6.6FC7CB3B@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1064665793 1358 212.59.174.157 (27 Sep 2003 12:29:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3F7454F6.6FC7CB3B@shaw.ca> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8981 Rich wrote: > Hi Theo, > I hear what you say, and sometimes there is more value in a conversation > than appears on the surface. snip > These include defending, avoiding domination, evaluating, and stuff like > that. We all do it (if your thoughts went, "Not me!", then you just did > it!). life is struggle of all sort:-):-) In my actual mood I would say so : it is struggling against human idiocy mainly > When I interact with my older Aunts and Uncles I must keep in mind > that they were treated very shabbily when they first came to this > country and this is reflected in their communications. They have a > wonderful, powerful contribution to make to my life and the joy in > interacting comes from discovering the 'gold' in the > interaction...different for each of us! True > So, Theo, I am complete with the topic of my posting and the value of it > has come from a different direction than the topic offered. Make sense? it does . the point is : are you happy now :-)? Namaste Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:13:39 GMT Lines: 71 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9000 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:48:04 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >Now I ask myself, is sending energy, for > >"the highest good" not an ineffective way > >due to its unfocused nature? > > Peter, I've been reading The Field by Lynne McTaggart and found an > interesting passage about this. On pg 193 (2002 paperback edition) she > says, referring to a healing study, "In fact, in Elisabeth's study, it > didn't seem to matter what method you used, so long as you held an > intention for a patient to heal." She goes on to list several examples > of the widely varying techniques used by the healers in the study. > Then she says, "But what they all seemed to have in common was an > ability to get out of the way. > It seemed to Elisabeth that most of > them claimed to have put out their intention and then stepped back and > surrendered to some other kind of healing force, as thought they were > opening a door and allowing something greater in. Yes, yes, yes, . .. . good post!! This discribes getting out of the way very well. One of the main reasons to make your commands and release them is so there are not counter intentions present. Because thoughts are things, "checking up on it" is counter productive because it demonstrates doubt that is it being handled on a higher level. Turning around a distructive cycle of energy takes steadfast belief in the power of intention. Old unbenificial energy cycles have much *momentum* behind them as they are fuled by doubts, failure, and thoughts of anything but the most beneficial ones. Once the command is made with intention it is liken to a freight train barreling down the track full speed . The more belief that is loaded into the train initially and the more times one validates this new positive energy cycle, the more momentum the train has. It gets to the point that there is so much momentum behind the healing intention that one can't afford to stand in the way of this force with even a single negetive thought without suffering the consequence of being "run over" so to speak. This act of "being run over" hurts physically and can be considered a setback in healing. A few times of being run over good teaches you rather quickly *why* it is important to stay the heck out of the way!!!! >Many of the more > effective ones had asked for help from the spirit world or from the > collective consciousness, or even from a religious figure such as > Jesus. It was not an egoistic healing on their part, more like a > request: 'please may this person be healed.' Much of their imagery had > to do with relaxing, releasing or allowing the spirit, light or love > in. The actual being, whether it was Jesus or Spider Woman, appeared > irrelevant." > > Sounds to me like these successful healers were just "sending for The > Highest Good." It's very much like what I was taught by my teachers, > and close to my own practice, as well. I just establish the intention > of healing for the "Highest Good" and then let 'er rip without > expectation of what form the healing should take. It seems to me that > if one is very, very specific, it's basically like trying to control > the world with magic, to remake it into what you want, instead of > simply accepting what is. This means that you're not living in the > present moment, which means you are busily creating your own > suffering. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <40bdc040928d6596089b51d133a578b9@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:26:02 GMT Lines: 56 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8999 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca... > Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal > conversations > about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all > the 'incorrect' > things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, > etc...... > and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? Hey Rich! If you were healing yourself. . ..your own body with this method. . . you would come to realize *very* quickly that doubts, can totally negate your intention to heal. If you can think of a thought as something real. . .something with weight and momentum. . . it becomes clear very quickly how important it is to add weight to the right intention. Ea. time you entertain a thought, make certain it is something that benifits you to participate in. Thoughts are as real as the keyboard you are sitting at and intentions set their course. love is. . >And we've been > around and around > with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it > complicated' I always say! > Rich > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > > > > > Since what you should be doing is just being there doing Reiki until > > you feel the flow subside or your intuition tells you it is time to > > move on, and *then* moving on, that's not really your decision > > (assuming you can keep your thinking mind out of it), you're really > > letting Source by whatever name you know it decide. You're just > > following "instructions", no? So I don't see this technique as being > > conflicting with what LM reports Elisabeth Targ said. Of course, > > sometimes we just don't have time to stay in a position that needs it > > for an extended length of time and have to make decisions based on > > practical considerations. However, while we *are* at that position, we > > can still just place our hands and 'step out of the way' for the > > length of time we do have. > > > > Does that make sense? > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:36:05 GMT Lines: 78 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9001 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:13:52 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal > >conversations > >about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all > >the 'incorrect' > >things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, > >etc...... > >and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? And we've been > >around and around > >with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it > >complicated' I always say! > >Rich > > Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or > "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that > it's not *us* that's making things happen here, it *is* us that makes things happen here. we are not pawns. our thoughts words and actions are not without consequence. . .be it benificial or otherwise. our power to change a thing is part of out inherent nature. > it's Source, God, The > Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for > several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as > individuals didn't cause the results. :-) Rather it is just the opposite!!! because our attachment leads to doubt in letting it be handled and thereby misguiding the original intent:) Taking ownership of > something that we aren't responsible for is going to cause us some > emotional grief sooner or later. Again Gary it is just exactly the opposite! NOT taking responsibility for something we are responsible for will cause you more than just emotional grief! By doing so we're just creating our > own suffering. > Amen, but it is not as a non-participant that causes it!!! > Which leads us to another aspect of Reiki that may stimulate some > brouhahas--is Reiki's main purpose to heal others, or is it to heal > our own relationship with Source? Or put another way, was the original > intention of Reiki to help lead one to enlightenment? Of course, in > Western style Reiki we seem to have lost a lot, if not almost all, of > that aspect, being almost entirely focused on the healing of others > aspect. And we may pay lip service to the 5 Precepts, but do we truly > understand what they mean and do we truly understand why we should (or > should not?) put them into practice in our daily lives, and how to do > so? And, of course, there's the whole issue of taking the system out > of context--what do most of us know about Japanese culture and the > various subcultures that Usui was immersed in, and how does this > affect how we interpret what we've been handed? Instead of using Reiki > as a tool to help awaken the dreamer, we may be using it as a tool to > help keep us unconscious. Healer, heal thyself! > > Of course, YMMV. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <0cdd90ae16511321f8a3751cd30b04ab@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:40:05 GMT Lines: 96 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8972 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca... > Hi Garry, > Am having another one of those 'pondering' > Sundays. Hey, talk about brouhahas...read on!! Regarding 'results, etc.' > We could have a discussion about who these 'others' are that we try to > heal. > Is there any difference in healing ourselves and healing others? Absolutely!!!. . . . and. . . . Not a damn bit of difference!!!:) > Aren't we them? Aren't we ALL one? > Then we could have a discussion about our relationship with this > Universe, God, etc. Isn't that us? We have been 'taught' to be humble, > submissive, > self-chastising > creatures of our God and only this God can heal. (Actually we are taught > that we are > 'sons and daughters of God' but only if that means we don't let it go to > our heads) > Our Westernized or religionized culture? > We could also have a discussion about the origin of Reiki in the Eastern > culture and > how we have attempted to alter it to fit our West-like minds. As you > noted, is it possible to > even understand the culture that created Reiki? Probably not, as a > Westerner. > Then we could have a discussion about the enlightenment thingy. > Aren't we already enlightened, saying we are not because of our > assessment of what 'enlightenment' really should be? "Jeepers, I don't > FEEL enlightened!" :-) > Then we could have a discussion about 'We are born and we die..... > everything in between we make up.' Well, maybe we should discuss this > one further! > Notice the commonality in it all? 'Discussion'. That's it. We just love > to discuss things to death! That certainly helps keep us unconscious. > Somehow I think Reiki is like a ladder. It is getting us > to some higher place in our spiritual evolution as humans. (What is a > human being, really?) > But when we get to where it is > taking us we need to let go of the ladder and move on to what is next. > (A new kind of ladder?) > We can't keep dragging the old ladder behind us. It has done its job and > we honor it. > Of course, it is understood that some are still looking for the ladder. > What will replace this ladder? I can't wait to find out!! > Hey, I hope your Sunday is going well!! > Cheers > Rich > > > > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > > > Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or > > "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that > > it's not *us* that's making things happen here, it's Source, God, The > > Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for > > several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as > > individuals didn't cause the results. :-) Taking ownership of > > something that we aren't responsible for is going to cause us some > > emotional grief sooner or later. By doing so we're just creating our > > own suffering. > > > > Which leads us to another aspect of Reiki that may stimulate some > > brouhahas--is Reiki's main purpose to heal others, or is it to heal > > our own relationship with Source? Or put another way, was the original > > intention of Reiki to help lead one to enlightenment? Of course, in > > Western style Reiki we seem to have lost a lot, if not almost all, of > > that aspect, being almost entirely focused on the healing of others > > aspect. And we may pay lip service to the 5 Precepts, but do we truly > > understand what they mean and do we truly understand why we should (or > > should not?) put them into practice in our daily lives, and how to do > > so? And, of course, there's the whole issue of taking the system out > > of context--what do most of us know about Japanese culture and the > > various subcultures that Usui was immersed in, and how does this > > affect how we interpret what we've been handed? Instead of using Reiki > > as a tool to help awaken the dreamer, we may be using it as a tool to > > help keep us unconscious. Healer, heal thyself! > > > > Of course, YMMV. > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F75A8E3.9F5F1E81@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F7454F6.6FC7CB3B@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:13:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1064675629 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:13:49 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:13:49 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8996 Theo wrote: > > life is struggle of all sort:-):-) I have started training for running a 10k race and then a marathon. My children and grandchildren are amused! In the mornings I learn new distinctions of 'struggle'!! :-) Thank heavens I also started Hatha Yoga! > In my actual mood I would say so : it is struggling against human > idiocy mainly Which includes us all, right? > > So, Theo, I am complete with the topic of my posting and the value of it > > has come from a different direction than the topic offered. Make sense? > it does . > the point is : are you happy now :-)? > Namaste > Theo My immediate answer is 'Yes, I am happy.' Had coffee with an old friend that I hadn't seen in years. He said the thought that went through his mind was, "Wonder if Rich is still always smiling?" However, my guru friend, your question is much deeper than it may seem! ;-) What does it really mean 'to be happy'? Do you notice in the literature that it is called ' a struggle to be happy'? Interesting. Cheers Rich ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:36:45 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <40bdc040928d6596089b51d133a578b9@news.teranews.com> Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1064677000 4831 212.59.174.238 (27 Sep 2003 15:36:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <40bdc040928d6596089b51d133a578b9@news.teranews.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8983 arthealer wrote: > "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca... > >>Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal >>conversations >>about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all >>the 'incorrect' >>things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, >>etc...... >>and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? > Hey Rich! > If you were healing yourself. . ..your own body with this method. . . you > would come to realize *very* quickly that doubts, can totally negate your > intention to heal. sorry to intrude .. I always said that FAITH is important not faith in Jesus that exist or will heal or Mary or Kadombé .. or his power and so on Faith IN what you DO might it be Reiki or Magic, Will Intention and Faith in what you do will move enrgy ..In your deep you are too materialistic-bound so you expect a quick result or maybe you just think you are ridiculuis doing that and that's an handicap .. Most of people feels nothing when attuned many feels something some have almost an orgasm.. everyone finds what expects When I send energy I center and rely ro whyt I think it might be tehenergy think a spyral Galaxy or the void around ou us is in fact filled with the energy like the air we breath and is in the air we breath too , just think you plug with you mind where the energy is and throught your bod and your mind you linkit , focus it ,to where you need Reiki to be sent .. You did it .. if it works at once or slowly it is none of your business... as is said curiosity kills the cat...in this case teh cat is your ability to send! bye Theo If you can think of a thought as something real. . > .something with weight and momentum. . . it becomes clear very quickly how > important it is to add weight to the right intention. Ea. time you entertain > a thought, make certain it is something that benifits you to participate in. > Thoughts are as real as the keyboard you are sitting at and intentions set > their course. > > love is. . > > > > >>And we've been >>around and around >>with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it >>complicated' I always say! >>Rich >> >>Nadie Niemand wrote: >> >>>Since what you should be doing is just being there doing Reiki until >>>you feel the flow subside or your intuition tells you it is time to >>>move on, and *then* moving on, that's not really your decision >>>(assuming you can keep your thinking mind out of it), you're really >>>letting Source by whatever name you know it decide. You're just >>>following "instructions", no? So I don't see this technique as being >>>conflicting with what LM reports Elisabeth Targ said. Of course, >>>sometimes we just don't have time to stay in a position that needs it >>>for an extended length of time and have to make decisions based on >>>practical considerations. However, while we *are* at that position, we >>>can still just place our hands and 'step out of the way' for the >>>length of time we do have. >>> >>>Does that make sense? >>> >>>Love and Light, >>> >>>Garry >>> > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F75AF91.AA2E3524@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:42:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064677339 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:42:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:42:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8994 arthealer wrote: > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net... > > Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or > > "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that > > it's not *us* that's making things happen here, > > it *is* us that makes things happen here. we are not pawns. our thoughts > words and actions are not without consequence. . .be it benificial or > otherwise. our power to change a thing is part of out inherent nature. The way I look at it all is like this, and I may be diverging from the topic a bit ....what you say is valid. In a 'philosophical round table' we could come up with some interesting ideas and conclusions. However, on the playing field of life we may have to put that stuff aside. I had a friend who asked me for coaching in her relationship. I never give advice and asked her to just talk about her relationship. Underneath a lot of stuff was buried her fundamental statement about relationships....."it is the individual's responsibility for his/her own happiness." While you can't argue with the 'logic or philosophy' of it, it only allows for a particular type of relationship to exist. So, in my opinion, even though there is a basic 'truthness' to life, we have to decide if we want that or something more fun, outrageous, passionate, mischievious, etc. I prefer to live like, "Yep, it's up to me to make her happy and what a wild ride it'll be!" Like the guy who went to his doctor and said, "I didn't come here to be told I'm burning the candle at both ends. I came here for more wax!" :-) Cheers! Rich > > > it's Source, God, The > > Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for > > several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as > > individuals didn't cause the results. :-) > ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:50:35 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3F7454F6.6FC7CB3B@shaw.ca> <3F75A8E3.9F5F1E81@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1064677829 5755 212.59.174.226 (27 Sep 2003 15:50:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3F75A8E3.9F5F1E81@shaw.ca> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8982 HI Rich Rich wrote: > I have started training for running a 10k race and then a marathon. My > children and > grandchildren are amused! In the mornings I learn new distinctions of > 'struggle'!! :-) > Thank heavens I also started Hatha Yoga! excellent >> In my actual mood I would say so : it is struggling against human >>idiocy mainly > Which includes us all, right? we always act silly sometimes .. and sometimes even worse ,we just have to accept what we are just humans and with time we learn we have made mistakes in past , but it won't avoid we will make new ones in future.. > My immediate answer is 'Yes, I am happy.' good ... Had coffee with an old friend > that I hadn't seen in years. excellent > 'to be happy'? Do you notice in the literature that it is called ' a > struggle to be happy'? Interesting. to be happy is a moment wheny oyu are happy is NOW and is absolute when you are unhappy it is NOW and is absolute again it is something that does not last in time like touching evaluating a cloth and say today is thicker than yesterday and today is less than yesterday Struggling to be happy sounds like cropping and harvesting to pile up your happiness for the rainy days.. hoghawash... happiness is like orgasm is now and than is over .. you can think about later on ,but won't feel the same shake.. just a warm souvenir of the moment you lived ! bye Theo > Cheers > Rich ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F75B507.A3FB74ED@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <40bdc040928d6596089b51d133a578b9@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:05:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1064678737 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:05:37 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:05:37 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8997 I really wish it was as simple as "There are rules that work all the time.' Intention? Man, that concept is so elusive! A few years ago I had experienced a torn retina. Had a cryo procedure to cauterize the tear. Several months later my other retina went..only the symptoms were more severe. It was a holiday weekend and my eye specialist was out of town for four days. His office told me to stay down until he got back, and go to the hospital Emergency dept. if I needed. I gave myself Reiki for hours during those four days and the symptoms lessened. I had all those 'incorrect' thoughts going through my head the whole time, yet when the specialist finally checked my eye he said he could find no torn retina. He said my symptoms could ONLY indicate a torn retina. So, did the Reiki 'fix' the retina? I say 'Yes' and I have no evidence. Could have been the extra vitamin C I took. But as a student of human being, I am thoroughly amused at the varied 'explanations' of others! Cheers Rich arthealer wrote: > > > and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? > > Hey Rich! > If you were healing yourself. . ..your own body with this method. . . you > would come to realize *very* quickly that doubts, can totally negate your > intention to heal. If you can think of a thought as something real. . > .something with weight and momentum. . . it becomes clear very quickly how > important it is to add weight to the right intention. Ea. time you entertain > a thought, make certain it is something that benifits you to participate in. > Thoughts are as real as the keyboard you are sitting at and intentions set > their course. > > love is. . ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <8bf319ac3ffd7947a3c0e2efa8c76288@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:20:51 GMT Lines: 85 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F75AF91.AA2E3524@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8976 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F75AF91.AA2E3524@shaw.ca... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > > news:3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net... > > > > Rich, many people want to make it "better" or "more effective" or > > > "more powerful", but the problem with that sort of thinking is that > > > it's not *us* that's making things happen here, > > > > it *is* us that makes things happen here. we are not pawns. our thoughts > > words and actions are not without consequence. . .be it benificial or > > otherwise. our power to change a thing is part of out inherent nature. > > The way I look at it all is like this, and I may be diverging from the > topic a bit > ....what you say is valid. i can tell you're not biting:) and i don't think you really do believe it. >In a 'philosophical > round table' we could come up with some interesting ideas and > conclusions. > However, on the playing field of life we may have to put that stuff > aside. LOL. . .."that stuff"?? "That stuff" causes illness Rich. We do it. It also heals. . we also do it. > I had a friend who asked me for coaching in her relationship. I never > give > advice and asked her to just talk about her relationship. Underneath a > lot of stuff > was buried her fundamental statement about relationships....."it is the > individual's > responsibility for his/her own happiness." While you can't argue with > the 'logic or philosophy' > of it, it only allows for a particular type of relationship to exist. Sorry, i don't understand what you mean. . .you mean the kind where it is senseless to "blame" another for how you feel?? > So, in my opinion, even though there is a basic 'truthness' to life, we > have to decide > if we want that or something more fun, outrageous, passionate, > mischievious, etc. > I prefer to live like, "Yep, it's up to me to make her happy and what a > wild ride it'll be!" LOL. .:) and conversely, it is up to her to make and keep you happy? . . . no pressure of course:) > Like the guy who went to his doctor and said, "I didn't come here to be > told I'm burning the candle at both ends. I came here for more wax!" :-) > Cheers! > Rich > lol. . .or the guy that went to the shrink and said," Someone told me I have a problem concerning sex" so the Dr. picks up some cards and says, " ok, tell me what you see". . .the guy says, :" sex doc". ... "ok" the Dr says holding up another card,"now what do you see?". . . . "'well, . . .sex doc". . .. frustrated, the Dr. holds up yet another card, "now what do you see?" the guy replies, " sex doc". The Dr then slams the cards down explaining , "yes, it's true. .. .you do have a problem concerning sex". the guy jumps out of his chair exclaiming, "You're the one showing me the dirty pictures!!!!" > > > > it's Source, God, The > > > Universe or whatever. We're not supposed to be attached to results for > > > several reasons, not least of which is the fact that *we* as > > > individuals didn't cause the results. :-) > > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <3e8cb2cafa2191b8ec466c1e969eee38@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:23:38 GMT Lines: 108 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <40bdc040928d6596089b51d133a578b9@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!central.cox.net!east.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8977 "Theo" wrote in message news:bl4aq7$4mv$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > "Rich" wrote in message news:3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca... > > > >>Okay. I think 'getting out of the way' of all my own internal > >>conversations > >>about it all is the best thing. :) I have noticed that I have had all > >>the 'incorrect' > >>things going on in my head....doubts, confusion, attempts at control, > >>etc...... > >>and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? > > > Hey Rich! > > If you were healing yourself. . ..your own body with this method. . . you > > would come to realize *very* quickly that doubts, can totally negate your > > intention to heal. > sorry to intrude .. no intrussion at all! > I always said that FAITH is important not faith in Jesus that exist or > will heal or Mary or Kadombé .. or his power and so on > Faith IN what you DO might it be Reiki or Magic, Will Intention and > Faith in what you do will move enrgy ..In your deep you are too > materialistic-bound so you expect a quick result or maybe you just > think you are ridiculuis doing that and that's an handicap .. i agree:) > Most of people feels nothing when attuned many feels something some have > almost an orgasm.. everyone finds what expects yes > When I send energy I center and rely ro whyt I think it might be > tehenergy > think a spyral Galaxy or the void around ou us is in fact filled > with the energy like the air we breath and is in the air we breath too > , just think you plug with you mind where the energy is and throught > your bod and your mind you linkit , focus it ,to where you need Reiki > to be sent .. > You did it .. if it works at once or slowly it is none of your > business... as is said curiosity kills the cat...in this case teh cat > is your ability to send! thank!! > bye > Theo > > If you can think of a thought as something real. . > > .something with weight and momentum. . . it becomes clear very quickly how > > important it is to add weight to the right intention. Ea. time you entertain > > a thought, make certain it is something that benifits you to participate in. > > Thoughts are as real as the keyboard you are sitting at and intentions set > > their course. > > > > love is. . > > > > > > > > > >>And we've been > >>around and around > >>with this discussion before! Funny how we humans do that! 'Keep it > >>complicated' I always say! > >>Rich > >> > >>Nadie Niemand wrote: > >> > >>>Since what you should be doing is just being there doing Reiki until > >>>you feel the flow subside or your intuition tells you it is time to > >>>move on, and *then* moving on, that's not really your decision > >>>(assuming you can keep your thinking mind out of it), you're really > >>>letting Source by whatever name you know it decide. You're just > >>>following "instructions", no? So I don't see this technique as being > >>>conflicting with what LM reports Elisabeth Targ said. Of course, > >>>sometimes we just don't have time to stay in a position that needs it > >>>for an extended length of time and have to make decisions based on > >>>practical considerations. However, while we *are* at that position, we > >>>can still just place our hands and 'step out of the way' for the > >>>length of time we do have. > >>> > >>>Does that make sense? > >>> > >>>Love and Light, > >>> > >>>Garry > >>> > > > > > > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:34:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064680459 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:34:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:34:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8995 arthealer wrote: > > Yes, yes, yes, . .. . good post!! > This discribes getting out of the way very well. One of the main reasons to > make your commands and release them is so there are not counter intentions > present. Because thoughts are things, "checking up on it" is counter > productive because it demonstrates doubt that is it being handled on a > higher level. Just a point of view....When a person says one hundred "I am a good person." thingies during the day he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a good person." A good person has no need to say those things. Only a person whose underlying premise is that he is not good has to 'convince' himself he is good. 'Thoughts are things' and affirmationy stuff is not thoughts but merely 'rote'. IMHO The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative thinking. Just 'be' with whatever is there. It is like the weather, is soon gone, and means little. Is this the truth? Not that I am aware of, and I have friends who have been reading affirmations for years, continually speak of their intentions and nothing much has changed for them over the years. It seems, for a lot of folks, that intention arises out of crises. and maybe it becomes something different then.......like 'random action searching for results'? I also notice that some people talk of their intention as, "I did it because of my intention." I have even heard, "I got a different result, so I must have unconsciously had a different intention, because i am satisfied with what I did." Anyway, I just got my music software upgrade so I gotta go make music!! Cheers! Rich Turning around a distructive cycle of energy takes steadfast > belief in the power of intention. Old unbenificial energy cycles have much > *momentum* behind them as they are fuled by doubts, failure, and thoughts of > anything but the most beneficial ones. Once the command is made with > intention it is liken to a freight train barreling down the track full speed > . The more belief that is loaded into the train initially and the more times > one validates this new positive energy cycle, the more momentum the train > has. It gets to the point that there is so much momentum behind the healing > intention that one can't afford to stand in the way of this force with even > a single negetive thought without suffering the consequence of being "run > over" so to speak. This act of "being run over" hurts physically and can be > considered a setback in healing. A few times of being run over good teaches > you rather quickly *why* it is important to stay the heck out of the way!!!! > > >Many of the more > ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:57:30 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1064696244 10656 212.59.174.136 (27 Sep 2003 20:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it In-Reply-To: <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9013 Rich wrote: HI > Just a point of view....When a person says one hundred "I am a good > person." thingies during the day > he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a > good person." amusing, I surprise myself tight teeth and clanched fists while walking and I realized I was very tense so when I get in that mood I repeat several times I am relax I am relax.. and I noticed that after 2-5 times i get relaxed ( I just put intention in what i say not repeating mindlessly a mantar ) I explained that to m help at home and she told me it works for het too .. so in this case repeating few times I ma relaxed it works I play theh lottery and I wish and desperately need to win .. but I do not .. do you think that mayby I do not wish strong enought for winning ,and for opposite as I do not care i wish strong enought for relaxing so it works ? > A good person has no need to say those things. Only a person whose > underlying premise is that he is not good has to 'convince' himself he > is good. 'Thoughts are things' and affirmationy stuff we all know that sometimes we should behave another way and that we are not good persons every instant of the day... we already discussed about the flash of committing a crime...when someone bothers on the car traffic and we forget right after .. or we do let leave someone overtake us.. we always have something to change in our behaviour .... > is not thoughts but merely 'rote'. IMHO > The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative > thinking. Just 'be' with > whatever is there. It is like the weather, is soon gone, and means > little. > Is this the truth? Not that I am aware of, and I have friends who have > been reading affirmations > for years, continually speak of their intentions and nothing much has > changed > for them over the years. It seems, for a lot of folks, that intention > arises out of crises. > and maybe it becomes something different then.......like 'random action > searching for results'? > I also notice that some people talk of their intention as, "I did it > because of my intention." > I have even heard, "I got a different result, so I must have > unconsciously had a different intention, > because i am satisfied with what I did." > Anyway, I just got my music software upgrade so I gotta go make music!! > Cheers! > Rich Rich I think you are a tormented person I had this feeling the first time 38 years ago , when I smoked my first joint .. I knew it might have a bad effect .. so I was panicking as alone in teh apt and decided that I should close the balcony windows because I might have had the impulsion to walk out of the balcony.. and than I thought that maybe I was already walking outside the balcony BUT THINKING that I might close the door to avoid that, BUT in reality I was laready there.. so I closed teh balcony , took a taxy went to see some friends, waited for the effect to be over trashed all the herb I had and it was over since then until today. you are acting like someone watching himself between two mirrors reflections , and both ways you look the images are endless cover one mirror and you'll se just your image .. you have a brain use it properly ,like your music upgrade software , do not abuse of usong it just because you have it ! Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <524b9bc66d4bf880a2dd45f5ce1b482e@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:01:01 GMT Lines: 53 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <40bdc040928d6596089b51d133a578b9@news.teranews.com> <3F75B507.A3FB74ED@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9006 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F75B507.A3FB74ED@shaw.ca... > I really wish it was as simple as "There are rules that work all the > time.' lol. . yes. . .the catch is you must believe it, otherwise it doesn't work all the time . .lol > Intention? Man, that concept is so elusive! A few years ago I had > experienced a torn retina. > Had a cryo procedure to cauterize the tear. Several months later my > other retina went..only the symptoms were more severe. It was a holiday > weekend and my eye specialist was out of town for four days. > His office told me to stay down until he got back, and go to the > hospital Emergency dept. if I needed. I gave myself Reiki for hours > during those four days and the symptoms lessened. I had all those > 'incorrect' thoughts going through my head the whole time, yet when the > specialist finally checked my eye he said he could find no torn retina. > He said my symptoms could ONLY indicate a torn retina. > So, did the Reiki 'fix' the retina? I say 'Yes' and I have no evidence. > Could have been the extra vitamin C I took. But as a student of human > being, I am thoroughly amused at the varied 'explanations' of others! > Cheers > Rich > >This is such a great story!!! thanks for the gift! arthealer wrote: > > > > > > and still had feedback of good 'results' so who knows? > > > > Hey Rich! > > If you were healing yourself. . ..your own body with this method. . . you > > would come to realize *very* quickly that doubts, can totally negate your > > intention to heal. If you can think of a thought as something real. . > > .something with weight and momentum. . . it becomes clear very quickly how > > important it is to add weight to the right intention. Ea. time you entertain > > a thought, make certain it is something that benifits you to participate in. > > Thoughts are as real as the keyboard you are sitting at and intentions set > > their course. > > > > love is. . ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <75137950e81edfe03be2d7a348d79300@news.teranews.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:57:47 GMT Lines: 138 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9024 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > > > Yes, yes, yes, . .. . good post!! > > This discribes getting out of the way very well. One of the main reasons to > > make your commands and release them is so there are not counter intentions > > present. Because thoughts are things, "checking up on it" is counter > > productive because it demonstrates doubt that is it being handled on a > > higher level. > > Just a point of view that may be all we have here rich:) ....When a person says one hundred "I am a good > person." thingies thingies?:) it really isn't difficult to type affirmation thingies:) >during the day > he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a > good person." it is in my experience rich that reinforcing a change in thought is a clumsy task in the beginning. Things (thoughts) that need be changed are stubborn, but certainly as you begin, the things that you really do not believe about yourself come to the forefront of your consciousness. Slowely you begin to realize just how often you truely do reinforce neg. thoughts about yourself. > A good person has no need to say those things. A "good" person may or may not believe they are a "good" person. it isn't whether or not a person is a "good" person. What is important however, is whether a person believes he/she is . . .whatever that means to them.("good" was your example) >Only a person whose > underlying premise is that he is not good has to 'convince' himself he > is good. yes, he must and in doing so he begins to see in how many ways he is self defamatory(is that a word?) 'Thoughts are things' and affirmationy stuff > is not thoughts name just one "thing' rich that is not a thought to you besides that "affiermationy stuff":) >but merely 'rote'. IMHO why do you think public school systems use this effective tecnique "rote" to get thoughts into kids heads? > The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative > thinking. hmmmmmmmmm. . . .what might reinforce positive thinking then, or is that simply an impossibility? Or perhaps reinforcing neg thoughts will work??:) > Just 'be' with > whatever is there. It is like the weather, is soon gone, and means > little. > Is this the truth? Not that I am aware of, and I have friends who have > been reading affirmations > for years, continually speak of their intentions and noth ing much has > changed > for them over the years. true. . intention hasn't much power without action, and belief. It seems, for a lot of folks, that intention > arises out of crises. That certainly is true that intention can arise out of crises. . .so can insight. i can't argue your experience with your friends. i can tell you of my own though. > and maybe it becomes something different then.......like 'random action > searching for results'? > I also notice that some people talk of their intention as, "I did it > because of my intention." > I have even heard, "I got a different result, so I must have > unconsciously had a different intention, > because i am satisfied with what I did." seems very sparatic, no? and it is interesting the different interpretations people come up with. for me, i choose to believe that thought are things and that they have power and those beliefs empower me to change the things in my life that i couldn't otherwise. thanks for the response rich. . .enjoy!!! Anyway, I just got my music software upgrade so I gotta go make music!! > Cheers! > Rich > > > Turning around a distructive cycle of energy takes steadfast > > belief in the power of intention. Old unbenificial energy cycles have much > > *momentum* behind them as they are fuled by doubts, failure, and thoughts of > > anything but the most beneficial ones. Once the command is made with > > intention it is liken to a freight train barreling down the track full speed > > . The more belief that is loaded into the train initially and the more times > > one validates this new positive energy cycle, the more momentum the train > > has. It gets to the point that there is so much momentum behind the healing > > intention that one can't afford to stand in the way of this force with even > > a single negetive thought without suffering the consequence of being "run > > over" so to speak. This act of "being run over" hurts physically and can be > > considered a setback in healing. A few times of being run over good teaches > > you rather quickly *why* it is important to stay the heck out of the way!!!! > > > > >Many of the more > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f764967.4553898@news.east.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <75137950e81edfe03be2d7a348d79300@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:36:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.14.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064716596 207.69.14.109 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:36:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:36:36 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9016 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:57:47 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >> The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative >> thinking. > > hmmmmmmmmm. . . .what might reinforce positive thinking then, or is that >simply an impossibility? Or perhaps reinforcing neg thoughts will work??:) Oh my stars and garters! Reminds me of a troubled time in my youth when everything seemed to go wrong. It seemed the more I focused on thinking positive, the more often things went wrong. So I started expecting the worst so as not to "jinx" things, and was always pleasantly surprised and secretly smug when they turned out good, or brazenly smug when they turned out bad so I could say, "I told you so". Lose-Win-Win situation. =:o Good thing I eventually let go of all those mind games! Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:39:36 GMT Lines: 145 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9005 "Theo" wrote in message news:3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch... > Hi Rich I think this discussinon is going nowhere > can a foregner living in the states afer 30 years be considered > 100% american? and be able to react as an american born kid with > american born parents ? > I do not think so . > Ssome people can just get into the mould some cannot..it is a matter > of nature .. > so if it is so hard for a white to fit into another's white > mentality imagine my friends what could be difficult four on > occidental to get into the mould of 4000 years of buddhism shaped > mentality .. it is not possible I believe people believe that they are a lot closer in thought to there peers even than what they really are let alone as you say a very old spiritual practice. but the point i am trying to make is that it really doesn't matter because we *do* all think differently as much as a group of people would tell you differently. No two peoples "brand" of reiki was ever the same . .. whether four thousand years ago or today. The discipine itself may remain the same but in practice it varies with the individual and always has:) > the mobility the oriental showed to change from a middle age > mentality into a futurist one in 50 years shows how plastic they > mentally are in and how sclerotic we are in our western culture > they can live in different worlds and feel absolutely comfortable we > cannot ! > I hope this will give another issue to the discussion..about > understanding Reiki > Namaste > Theo > > > Rich wrote: > > > > > pr wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Whoa! What pessimism? > >> > >>Your pessimism that Westerners are probably not (never?) able > >>to understand "the culture that created reiki". This is the > >>result of applied humbleness, submissiveness and self-chastising > >>as taught to us. > > > > > > Hmm. I'm starting to see what could be happening here, maybe. (Gotta say > > 'maybe'. Am now gun shy!) Had a friend once who appeared to be very > > exacting in > > his languaging. If I said, "It sure is hot!", he'd say, "Well, actually > > it may be quite warm, but certainly not hot. Hot would be something like > > 45deg C and it's only 30deg." Okay. Let's try to be a bit more > > meticulous, then. > > I must take back everything I have said, Peter, since it can possibly be > > taken apart with microscopic language surgery, maybe. > > Correcting myself..."It could be an issue to assume that the traditions, > > principles, etc. of a culture are unaltered by the devastation of world > > war, and the losses of great numbers of the people who may have been the > > base of the 'Reiki initiated'?" Do you know that's not the case? I don't > > so I feel it safer to suggest we may not know and maybe cannot know, > > rather than assume otherwise and head off in some confused other > > direction. What right do I have to be involved in any of this assuming > > anyway? None! I was passing by, saw this game going on and jumped in to > > play! Rats! NOW you tell me there are specific rules to follow! > > Of course, there could be individuals who could be very astute, having > > spent many years studying and living in those other cultures. These > > people could have a better grasp of the life of that culture, especially > > if they lived there years ago, before the influence of other cultures > > was impressed on those cultures. Maybe. > > What I meant to say was that if we do not do the work of studying > > others, (if indeed they can be studied in the context they existed years > > ago) we could come up with some unfortunate assumptions, maybe. Of > > course, this study has to be more than reading or listening to theories > > about. > > Of course, another way to have looked at what I had said would have been > > to listen like this. "Reiki came out of another culture, maybe very > > different from what it is today. Let's really make sure we understand > > that." > > As an example...having worked with a consulting team in Russia a few > > years ago, in examining the distinctions in our languages, we discovered > > that the word 'responsible' could mean something very different to those > > who lived under Communism. > > > > > >>>Objecting > >>>to what has been pounded into our heads may be 'questioning' but > >>>certainly not pessimistic! > >> > >>Questioning is not, but your answer which includes "probably not", is. > > > > > > By golly, you got me again! However, most of the people I know do > > not understand > > Reiki, universal energy, the North American culture, the Eastern > > culture, etc. so I just went way out on a limb and concluded that they > > wouldn't understand the pre-war culture of Japan, since they have no > > interest in learning about it. So I have earned 'a good whuppin' upside > > the head!' ;-\ > > > > > >>>Or are you referring to the last part of the paragraph..about the > >>>West/East culture thing? > >>>Once again, there is no pessimism there. If we assume we can see through > >>>the eyes of another culture, > >>>we could be totally missing what is really available to share between > >>>us. > >> > >>You think too much. > > > > > > I'll admit that I have gotten myself into some real pickles by > > questioning/thinking > > and that's the gift I was allocated this time around! I feel very > > fortunate and love to > > play the cards I was dealt! > > But let's not take things too seriously! > > Way back, I introduced myself as one who would not be too serious, would > > even be contrary, > > irreverent, irrelevant, maybe step on a few toes, and much more. > > I am in 'continuous learning mode' and > > have an extremely exciting and rewarding life to show for it. So what > > can I say, Peter? > > Don't be too hard on yourself, my friend. I enjoy your posts. It's just > > that I don't really take you too seriously either. So get out there and > > be outrageous! It feels good!! > > Cheers and much Peace > > Rich > > > > > > > >>-- > >>Namu Amida Butsu > >>Peter Reber > >>"Life knows its needs" > ###### Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:44:58 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@bluewin.ch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.187.159 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.187.159 Message-ID: <3f7701ef_3@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1064763887 81.62.187.159 (28 Sep 2003 17:44:47 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 20 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9011 arthealer wrote: > > > I believe people believe that they are a lot closer in thought to there > peers even than what they really are let alone as you say a very old > spiritual practice. but the point i am trying to make is that it really > doesn't matter because we *do* all think differently as much as a group of > people would tell you differently. No two peoples "brand" of reiki was ever > the same . .. whether four thousand years ago or today. The discipine itself > may remain the same but in practice it varies with the individual and always > has:) > I agree , suffice to see how each of us makes drawing or describe the same item Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <8939260672404a698c224086f710b9ff@news.teranews.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:31:21 GMT Lines: 33 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6D38E8.CCC32330@shaw.ca> <3f6d8165.291624@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6DF833.48BC7614@shaw.ca> <3f6dfec8.1645204@news.east.earthlink.net> <3F6E0E37.F24840B6@shaw.ca> <3f6e71ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F6E7F9E.412BE658@shaw.ca> <3f7263be.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3F727BE8.76B039FE@shaw.ca> <3f741d17_1@news.bluewin.ch> <3f7701ef_3@news.bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!63.218.45.10.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9021 "Theo" wrote in message news:3f7701ef_3@news.bluewin.ch... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > > > > > I believe people believe that they are a lot closer in thought to there > > peers even than what they really are let alone as you say a very old > > spiritual practice. but the point i am trying to make is that it really > > doesn't matter because we *do* all think differently as much as a group of > > people would tell you differently. No two peoples "brand" of reiki was ever > > the same . .. whether four thousand years ago or today. The discipine itself > > may remain the same but in practice it varies with the individual and always > > has:) > > > I agree , suffice to see how each of us makes drawing or describe > the same item > Theo > > precisely!!! everyone's path is his/her own even if they subscribe to be part of a group that perpetuates an "in crowd" and an "out crowd" :) and it is this very perceptual difference that makes us all unique in what beliefs we display and perpetuate. thanks Theo! ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <0b16e6d47a83c5073b96e93131d5bb3a@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:04:14 GMT Lines: 30 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f615cb8.2017811@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f62b560.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f62f884.2637259@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f6325ed.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f63a464.3573984@news.east.earthlink.net> <3f63f6bc.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f64463c.619259@news.east.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9047 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f64463c.619259@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:59:50 +0200, "pr" wrote: > > >I don't dispute your statement but my original > >question was about the effectiveness of the two > >basic ways of sending reiki, focused vs unfocused, > >dis-ease specific or for the highest good in general. > > So how effective is your cellular reproduction when you intervene with > focused, conscious attention? > it normalizes with the correct intention. > >Will be away for a week. > > May your week pass safely and pleasantly! > > Garry > > > Garry > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F78711E.85B089F0@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <75137950e81edfe03be2d7a348d79300@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:52:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064857965 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:52:45 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:52:45 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9042 In winding up my thoughts on this whole topic, I'll just give a brief history of where I'm coming from. About twenty years ago I was interested in this whole idea of the power of positive and negative thoughts. I was in a bad relationship, unhappy with my work, concerned about my future, etc. I became part of a group of 'positive thinkers'. We read positive thinking books and even started a 'positive book of the month' discussion session. Then it became the 'positive book of the week' session. The group published a list of affirmations that were 'miracle workers' and we critiqued each others speech. It got worse and worse. We started avoiding anyone whom we considered negative, in case some of the negativity got on us. Some even started avoiding family members who were considered negative. I remember cancelling a golf game one day because the forecast was for thunder storms. "How negative!" was the response. Another lady gave her daughter hell because she wasn't able to get a stain out of her blouse. "Not enough intention! Think positive!" I could go on, and suffice to say this was all done in the hopes of being healthy, successful, uplifting members of society. What happened was we learned to talk the positive stuff, be right, put the 'neggies' down and constantly be 'on guard' in case someone slipped some negative vibes into our space! The history of our group was no different than the rest of society. Marriage break-ups, business failure, health problems were about the same as if we hadn't loaded hundreds of 'positive thinking' books onto our shelves. Then I bumped into Alan Watts, Krishnamurti, other eastern authors and relaxed. Having said that, if you feel you are on your path, enjoy! In truth, one can reach enlightenment by reading the Sears-Roebuck catalogue or the Greyhound bus schedule. Cheers Rich arthealer wrote: > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F78725F.D8E078F@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:58:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1064858286 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:58:06 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:58:06 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9041 Maybe we look at affirmations differently. Relaxing by using a few helpful phrases is something different in my opinion. It is a letting go. Affirmations usually try to 'push' or 'force' some kind of belief into our consciousness. Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > HI > > Just a point of view....When a person says one hundred "I am a good > > person." thingies during the day > > he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a > > good person." > amusing, I surprise myself tight teeth and clanched fists while walking > and I realized I was very tense > so when I get in that mood I repeat several times I am relax I am > relax.. > > and I noticed that after 2-5 times i get relaxed ( I just put > intention in what i say not repeating mindlessly a mantar ) > > I explained that to m help at home and she told me it works for het > too .. > so in this case repeating few times I ma relaxed it works > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F78736E.96FDD575@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:02:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064858557 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:02:37 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:02:37 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9044 Theo wrote: > > Rich I think you are a tormented person Theo, if you heard my music I think you would call me the tormentor!! :) > Theo ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <92049cb71aa2d609aa2afea059cccb01@news.teranews.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:48:06 GMT Lines: 42 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <75137950e81edfe03be2d7a348d79300@news.teranews.com> <3F78711E.85B089F0@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9055 Well, i'd like to in summing up this topic, very, very briefly talk about my experience with changing my thoughts from those that are harmful to those that are supportive and self loving. . from enjoying the luxury of thinking, saying and acting any ol' way that suited me to being mindful of *ea*. and *every* thought word and action. From disliking my life, to loving every single part of it because it is mine! From fearing the future to being trustful of my ability to bring the highest to me. From thinking that having a "steady" job was security, to knowing that the greatest security i could posibly have is knowing the universe supports my abundance. Twenty five years ago i was counciled and told ways to live my life from a being without a body. ( i won't go into details) i kept the concepts in mind but did not practice them. It wasn't until i had degenerative lower back problems . . . . where my back would go out repeatedly and keep me in bed for days on end. It was not until i had pneumonia and empiema and landed in the hospital for a week and sent home with a tube in my chest for six months. It wasn't until i had skin cancer on my arms, and nose. . . It was not until i had strokes ea. and every time i got angry leaving my arms and legs, fingers and toes numb and barely functional.. . .that i decided to try things i had been told twenty years earlier. i began to corrilate my words and thoughts to pains in my body. ea. and every time i felt and spoke as if i was not suported by life, my back would go out. Damn,. .. it was true, and at first i hated knowing the truth because it meant i would have to change the way i think and speak. It was a blessing and a curse. Five years later, my back never goes out even though the doctors told me it would do nothing but get worse and talked of fusing it. i know when i even approach thinking i am not supported because my back weakens instantly. It is a guidepost for me to keep on track. three skin cancers have left my body after growing for four years. one on my nose and two on my arm. they are gone. i am now nearly altogether making my living doing art. it has always been a dream of mine and it is now posible. Expressing myself doing art helps me to heal by enjoying my life to the fullest. Healing is a way of life for me now. Loving my life is a way of life for me now. Counting my blessiings is a way of life for me now. It has taken much effort and pain, trial and error, to learn what works for me but i believe that thoughts, and words can heal as well as mame. i feel i was given this opertunity to heal and teach others to heal themselves. So when i hear testimonials to the contrary i can only feel sad that the belief in the power of a thought or word or action was not taken *literally*. ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <3c305e03042a54b09988778dd579fd03@news.teranews.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:48:08 GMT Lines: 43 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <75137950e81edfe03be2d7a348d79300@news.teranews.com> <3F78711E.85B089F0@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9066 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F78711E.85B089F0@shaw.ca... > In winding up my thoughts on this whole topic, I'll just give a brief > history of where I'm coming from. > About twenty years ago I was interested in this whole idea of the power > of positive and negative thoughts. > I was in a bad relationship, unhappy with my work, concerned about my > future, etc. I became part of a > group of 'positive thinkers'. We read positive thinking books and even > started a 'positive book of the month' > discussion session. Then it became the 'positive book of the week' > session. The group published a list > of affirmations that were 'miracle workers' and we critiqued each others > speech. It got worse and worse. We started avoiding anyone whom we > considered negative, in case some of the negativity got on us. Some even > started avoiding family members who were considered negative. I remember > cancelling a golf game one day because the forecast was for thunder > storms. "How negative!" was the response. Another lady gave her daughter > hell because she wasn't able to get a stain out of her blouse. "Not > enough intention! Think positive!" I could go on, and suffice to say > this was all done in the hopes of being healthy, successful, uplifting > members of society. What happened was we learned to talk the positive > stuff, be right, put the 'neggies' down and constantly be 'on guard' in > case someone slipped some negative vibes into our space! The history of > our group was no different than the rest of society. Marriage break-ups, > business failure, health problems were about the same as if we hadn't > loaded hundreds of 'positive thinking' books onto our shelves. Then I > bumped into Alan Watts, Krishnamurti, other eastern authors and relaxed. > Having said that, if you feel you are on your path, enjoy! In truth, one > can reach enlightenment by reading > the Sears-Roebuck catalogue or the Greyhound bus schedule. > Cheers > Rich > Good luck with the Sears-Roebuck!! I've heard it has other uses too:) > arthealer wrote: > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F78F2F1.D3AC98B@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <75137950e81edfe03be2d7a348d79300@news.teranews.com> <3F78711E.85B089F0@shaw.ca> <92049cb71aa2d609aa2afea059cccb01@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:06:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1064891202 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:06:42 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:06:42 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9064 Pretty awesome! Congratulations and thanks for sharing! Peace Rich arthealer wrote: > > Well, > i'd like to in summing up this topic, very, very briefly talk about my > experience with changing my thoughts from those that are harmful to those > that are supportive and self loving. . from enjoying the luxury of thinking, > saying and acting any ol' way that suited me to being mindful of *ea*. and > *every* thought word and action. From disliking my life, to loving every > single part of it because it is mine! From fearing the future to being > trustful of my ability to bring the highest to me. From thinking that having > a "steady" job was security, to knowing that the greatest security i could > posibly have is knowing the universe supports my abundance. > Twenty five years ago i was counciled and told ways to live my life from a > being without a body. ( i won't go into details) i kept the concepts in > mind but did not practice them. It wasn't until i had degenerative lower > back problems . . . . where my back would go out repeatedly and keep me in > bed for days on end. It was not until i had pneumonia and empiema and landed > in the hospital for a week and sent home with a tube in my chest for six > months. It wasn't until i had skin cancer on my arms, and nose. . . It was > not until i had strokes ea. and every time i got angry leaving my arms and > legs, fingers and toes numb and barely functional.. . .that i decided to try > things i had been told twenty years earlier. > i began to corrilate my words and thoughts to pains in my body. ea. and > every time i felt and spoke as if i was not suported by life, my back would > go out. Damn,. .. it was true, and at first i hated knowing the truth > because it meant i would have to change the way i think and speak. It was a > blessing and a curse. Five years later, my back never goes out even though > the doctors told me it would do nothing but get worse and talked of fusing > it. i know when i even approach thinking i am not supported because my back > weakens instantly. It is a guidepost for me to keep on track. > three skin cancers have left my body after growing for four years. one on my > nose and two on my arm. they are gone. > i am now nearly altogether making my living doing art. it has always been a > dream of mine and it is now posible. Expressing myself doing art helps me to > heal by enjoying my life to the fullest. > Healing is a way of life for me now. Loving my life is a way of life for me > now. Counting my blessiings is a way of life for me now. It has taken much > effort and pain, trial and error, to learn what works for me but i believe > that thoughts, and words can heal as well as mame. i feel i was given this > opertunity to heal and teach others to heal themselves. So when i hear > testimonials to the contrary i can only feel sad that the belief in the > power of a thought or word or action was not taken *literally*. ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:14:34 GMT Lines: 86 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9244 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > > > Yes, yes, yes, . .. . good post!! > > This discribes getting out of the way very well. One of the main reasons to > > make your commands and release them is so there are not counter intentions > > present. Because thoughts are things, "checking up on it" is counter > > productive because it demonstrates doubt that is it being handled on a > > higher level. > > Just a point of view....When a person says one hundred "I am a good > person." thingies during the day > he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a > good person." > A good person has no need to say those things. Only a person whose > underlying premise is that he is not good has to 'convince' himself he > is good. 'Thoughts are things' and affirmationy stuff > is not thoughts but merely 'rote'. IMHO > The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative > thinking. Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk (nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make an intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) love is. . . Just 'be' with > whatever is there. It is like the weather, is soon gone, and means > little. > Is this the truth? Not that I am aware of, and I have friends who have > been reading affirmations > for years, continually speak of their intentions and nothing much has > changed > for them over the years. It seems, for a lot of folks, that intention > arises out of crises. > and maybe it becomes something different then.......like 'random action > searching for results'? > I also notice that some people talk of their intention as, "I did it > because of my intention." > I have even heard, "I got a different result, so I must have > unconsciously had a different intention, > because i am satisfied with what I did." > Anyway, I just got my music software upgrade so I gotta go make music!! > Cheers! > Rich > > > Turning around a distructive cycle of energy takes steadfast > > belief in the power of intention. Old unbenificial energy cycles have much > > *momentum* behind them as they are fuled by doubts, failure, and thoughts of > > anything but the most beneficial ones. Once the command is made with > > intention it is liken to a freight train barreling down the track full speed > > . The more belief that is loaded into the train initially and the more times > > one validates this new positive energy cycle, the more momentum the train > > has. It gets to the point that there is so much momentum behind the healing > > intention that one can't afford to stand in the way of this force with even > > a single negetive thought without suffering the consequence of being "run > > over" so to speak. This act of "being run over" hurts physically and can be > > considered a setback in healing. A few times of being run over good teaches > > you rather quickly *why* it is important to stay the heck out of the way!!!! > > > > >Many of the more > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 45 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:27:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.1.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1065310027 207.69.1.200 (Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:27:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:27:07 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9246 On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:14:34 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca... >> >> >> arthealer wrote: >> > >> >> > Yes, yes, yes, . .. . good post!! >> > This discribes getting out of the way very well. One of the main reasons >to >> > make your commands and release them is so there are not counter >intentions >> > present. Because thoughts are things, "checking up on it" is counter >> > productive because it demonstrates doubt that is it being handled on a >> > higher level. >> >> Just a point of view....When a person says one hundred "I am a good >> person." thingies during the day >> he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a >> good person." >> A good person has no need to say those things. Only a person whose >> underlying premise is that he is not good has to 'convince' himself he >> is good. 'Thoughts are things' and affirmationy stuff >> is not thoughts but merely 'rote'. IMHO >> The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative >> thinking. > > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk >(nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make an >intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the >situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) > >love is. . . OTOH, maybe that's part of why some of us just do Reiki and accept whatever the outcome is rather than trying to focus on a specific result. Change is. It just may not be what we expect. :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F7F7CC0.E11DF37C@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:08:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1065319707 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:08:27 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:08:27 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.4.91.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9249 arthealer wrote: > > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk > (nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make an > intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the > situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) > > love is. . . I don't quite follow you. I subscribe to the power of real intentionality, and have problems with the rote repetition of words as having the same power. We could have a discussion about what intentionality really is, to distinguish it from wishful thinking, (my own terminology from the past experiences of my circle of friends) and affirmations as declarations that we then live into, to distinguish them from attempts to change something first. Not sure how Reiki fits into that discussion and I'll re-read my post to see if I'm tripping all over my words. Cheers Rich ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3F7F8631.EFC35907@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:48:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1065322125 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:48:45 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:48:45 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9250 arthealer wrote: > > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk > (nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . > love is. . . > Just to add to my last response.....we could talk about intention 'til the cows come home, and what you actually experienced in your life would be 'the proof of the pudding'. The work you accomplished is real. If you say it came from intention, positive thinking, affirmations, determination, prayer, energy focusing, hope, peer support, diet, life change, or whatever...can I argue? You altered the way your life was going and that is what is real. You may look into your innermost thoughts and attach 'cause' to some other power we don't yet fully understand. We are just working with words of convenience. Cheers Rich ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <187b0b8257811b5da03c4350955931c9@news.teranews.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:31:17 GMT Lines: 77 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9259 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net... > On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:14:34 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > > > >"Rich" wrote in message news:3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca... > >> > >> > >> arthealer wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > Yes, yes, yes, . .. . good post!! > >> > This discribes getting out of the way very well. One of the main reasons > >to > >> > make your commands and release them is so there are not counter > >intentions > >> > present. Because thoughts are things, "checking up on it" is counter > >> > productive because it demonstrates doubt that is it being handled on a > >> > higher level. > >> > >> Just a point of view....When a person says one hundred "I am a good > >> person." thingies during the day > >> he is not becoming a good person. He is merely re-inforcing "I am NOT a > >> good person." > >> A good person has no need to say those things. Only a person whose > >> underlying premise is that he is not good has to 'convince' himself he > >> is good. 'Thoughts are things' and affirmationy stuff > >> is not thoughts but merely 'rote'. IMHO > >> The same goes for 'positive thinking' which re-inforces negative > >> thinking. > > > > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk > >(nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make an > >intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the > >situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) > > > >love is. . . > > OTOH, maybe that's part of why Hmmmmmmmmmm. .. .. didn't know you bought that line of reasoning. >some of us just do Reiki and accept > whatever the outcome is rather than trying to focus on a specific > result. i believe it must be easier to accept any outcome ( and say,"reiki knows it's needs") when there is no specific intention involved concerning an outcome . . . .no failure. i believe there must be a belief amonst reiki practicioners that the "universe" has our best in mind whether we do or not. . .. and if this is the case, why send reiki? The point i am making my friend is that *of course there is an intention of rather specific outcomes*. >Change is. It just may not be what we expect. :-) expect?:) love is. . . . > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f8088dc.246646@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net> <187b0b8257811b5da03c4350955931c9@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:07:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.0.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1065388054 207.69.0.87 (Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:07:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:07:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9261 On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:31:17 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >>Change is. It just may not be what we expect. :-) > >expect?:) Or intend. :-) >love is. . . . ...but do you know where it comes from? ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: The Highest Good Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f808c9b.1205446@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net> <187b0b8257811b5da03c4350955931c9@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 91 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:03:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.4.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1065391381 207.69.4.116 (Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:03:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:03:01 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!chi1.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9262 Oops, snipped too much the first try. Let's have another go at it. :-) On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:31:17 GMT, "arthealer" wrote: >> > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a >walk >> >(nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make >an >> >intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the >> >situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) >> > >> >love is. . . >> >> OTOH, maybe that's part of why > > Hmmmmmmmmmm. .. .. didn't know you bought that line of reasoning. I don't. I said "maybe some of us" do. Just to be clear. Personally, I don't think that it's very practical to try to make changes in oneself or wherever, just by trying to "convince" oneself of something with a few hundred repetitions of the flavor of the day. But whatever floats your boat. But in my estimation, you're just trading one insanity for another. The only way to win is to stop playing the game. (Oh my gosh! I'm suddenly reminded of that old movie, 'War Games'. No! Good philosophy doesn't come from Hollywood! No! No! No!) Stop creating pain for yourself; stop thinking that the real you is the one that has these conversations about what works. Unless that's really what you want to do. We all have the right to go to hell in our own handbaskets, if we like. :-) >>some of us just do Reiki and accept >> whatever the outcome is rather than trying to focus on a specific >> result. > > i believe it must be easier to accept any outcome ( and say,"reiki knows >it's needs") when there is no specific intention involved concerning an >outcome . . . .no failure. i believe there must be a belief amonst reiki >practicioners >that the "universe" has our best in mind whether we do or not. . .. and if >this is the case, why send reiki? Does sound like either a cop out to avoid having to own up to failures, or else that there's no need to do anything, doesn't it? On the first point, if you have a situation where you *think* you know what the problem is, but it turns out you're all wrong, and in your bumbling around, you just screw things up worse, but Reiki gets you over it in spite of your fumbling, I would say that in that situation, "Reiki knows its needs". As a Reiki practitioner I have experienced that, so I don't have to take it on blind faith. That's one of the nice things about Reiki, even if you put your hands in the wrong postion or mis-identify a rash as a burn, you can't screw it up too badly. On the second point, now there is an interesting conundrum! Is The Universe basically inanimate and unintelligent and everything just spinning head long towards random heat death, and the best you can do is to try to stay out of Its way as long as you can in order to add a few more seconds of meaningless life? No there's something to live for! And by leaving things up to "The Universe" in this scenario, a Reiki practioner is just a fool shooting craps with the Universe, and the Universe is using loaded dice, right? Or is it true what the saints and sages and founders of religions and so on over the ages have told us in various ways? That there is an Intelligence behind it all, and that we can know that for ourselves, if we would just pay attention? And if this is so, why do we have to do anything? Why can't we just wait for the Universal Intelligence (by whatever name you care to call it) to do everything for us? Maybe somebody should ask It what Its plans are. ;-) But since experience seems to indicate that "God helps those that help themselves", perhaps we should get off our lazy butts and do something. So stop playing the game, stop arguing with "me! me! me!" (aka the voice in my head) and just do what needs to be done. Be still and let the movement come from within the stillness. Turn loose of all the scheming and attempting to wrestle the Universe into submission and just be present and observant and go with the flow of things. Trust me, no matter which version of the Universe you subscribe to, this will make you a lot less stressed out. ;-) >The point i am making my friend is that *of course there is an intention of >rather specific outcomes*. By whom? Using whose method? Love and Light, Garry ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <8a4b4fd4955086f77dea281f02075792@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:33:38 GMT Lines: 183 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net> <187b0b8257811b5da03c4350955931c9@news.teranews.com> <3f808c9b.1205446@news.west.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9268 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f808c9b.1205446@news.west.earthlink.net... > Oops, snipped too much the first try. Let's have another go at it. > :-) > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:31:17 GMT, "arthealer" > wrote: > > >> > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a > >walk > >> >(nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make > >an > >> >intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the > >> >situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) > >> > > >> >love is. . . > >> > >> OTOH, maybe that's part of why > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmm. .. .. didn't know you bought that line of reasoning. > > I don't. I said "maybe some of us" do. Just to be clear. Personally, > I don't think that it's very practical to try to make changes in > oneself or wherever, just by trying to "convince" oneself of something > with a few hundred repetitions of the flavor of the day. But whatever > floats your boat. But in my estimation, you're just trading one > insanity for another. LOL . ..letting your thoughts create illness is indeed insanity. It may not be a popular viewpoint that i carry around with me but i wouldn't be here now if it weren't for it:) > The only way to win is to stop playing the game. On some level Gary i think that what you are saying is wise indeed, but what exactly does not playing the game mean to you? > (Oh my gosh! I'm suddenly reminded of that old movie, 'War Games'. No! > Good philosophy doesn't come from Hollywood! No! No! No!) you mean . . .. ."the force". . . was just. . . . NO!!!!!! > Stop > creating pain for yourself; Yes, agreed.. . . but to do this i must watch ea. and every thought word and action. It only takes a concerted effort for a time. .. then it becomes more automatic. . . just as it was automatic to think, say and do harmfull things to and about myself. Now that i am on the path to self love it is much easier as the universe now supports my benifitial beliefs about myself and about life rather than destructive ones. i think we are talking about two different senarios. . ..mine is one of a choice of life or death, perhaps the things effected by reiki that you speak of are of a much lighter and more of a predictible" nature. But, i certainly wouldn't leave my fate in the hands of "prayer" alone or "intention" alone. Many a good intention never get set into motion by action here in the physical. Our beliefs are acted out here in the physical all the time. >stop thinking that the real you is the one > that has these conversations about what works. Reprogramming your thoughts and beliefs, given that thought are things and create illness, is not foolish. In my estimation, thinking that there is an easy way to change your life around after years and cycle upon cycle of perpetuating misconceptions *is* foolish. Take it from me, it takes a concerted effort, *a way of life* . . .and one that is better not left simply a fate "cast to the wind". >Unless that's really > what you want to do. We all have the right to go to hell in our own > handbaskets, if we like. :-) a men:) > >>some of us just do Reiki and accept > >> whatever the outcome is rather than trying to focus on a specific > >> result. > > > > i believe it must be easier to accept any outcome ( and say,"reiki knows > >it's needs") when there is no specific intention involved concerning an > >outcome . . . .no failure. i believe there must be a belief amonst reiki > >practicioners > >that the "universe" has our best in mind whether we do or not. . .. and if > >this is the case, why send reiki? > > Does sound like either a cop out to avoid having to own up to > failures, or else that there's no need to do anything, doesn't it? > > On the first point, if you have a situation where you *think* you know > what the problem is, but it turns out you're all wrong, and in your > bumbling around, you just screw things up worse, but Reiki gets you > over it in spite of your fumbling, I would say that in that situation, > "Reiki knows its needs". As a Reiki practitioner I have experienced > that, so I don't have to take it on blind faith. That's one of the > nice things about Reiki, even if you put your hands in the wrong > postion or mis-identify a rash as a burn, you can't screw it up too > badly. Nice to have a "user friendly" system:) On the second point, now there is an interesting conundrum! Is The > Universe basically inanimate and unintelligent and everything just > spinning head long towards random heat death, and the best you can do > is to try to stay out of Its way as long as you can in order to add a > few more seconds of meaningless life? No there's something to live > for! And by leaving things up to "The Universe" in this scenario, a > Reiki practioner is just a fool shooting craps with the Universe, and > the Universe is using loaded dice, right? > > Or is it true what the saints and sages and founders of religions and > so on over the ages have told us in various ways? That there is an > Intelligence behind it all, and that we can know that for ourselves, > if we would just pay attention? And if this is so, why do we have to > do anything? Why can't we just wait for the Universal Intelligence (by > whatever name you care to call it) to do everything for us? Maybe > somebody should ask It what Its plans are. ;-) But since experience > seems to indicate that "God helps those that help themselves", perhaps > we should get off our lazy butts and do something. a men again:) > So stop playing > the game, stop arguing with "me! me! me!" (aka the voice in my head) For sure!!!! argueing is futile and hopeless. > and just do what needs to be done. Be still and let the movement come > from within the stillness. Turn loose of all the scheming and > attempting to wrestle the Universe The Universe?. . lol . .the universe within is quite enough to put back in order:) >into submission and just be present > and observant and go with the flow of things. unfortunately, the "flow of things" are what you have set and kept in motion all these years:) It may or may not be what you want now. A simple intention won't undo that any more that a simple intention got you here. Every one looks for a pill, a cure, a religion to embrace, something to cut out, to remove, a spell. . . something easy. . .something that require no personal responsibility. Nobody wants to do the work it takes to change things within . . .the place that creates for us. The trade off for convienience is loss of control over your own life (not unlike what is happening in the U.S. right now with the gov. and it's policies). We elect (or not:) people to do a job for us thinking they have our best in mind(not that i think that but many people do) and come to find out they can't speak for me personally, or you. i'll speak for myself thanks and if i require healing who better than myself might understand how i got here and how to regain it. >Trust me, no matter > which version of the Universe you subscribe to, this will make you a > lot less stressed out. ;-) i heartily subscribe to the precept of yours, " just for today don't worry" i don't do stress any more. stress is chosen. . .i simple don't go there:) Stress demonstrates a lack of trust in the universe. . . . > >The point i am making my friend is that *of course there is an intention of > >rather specific outcomes*. > > By whom? Using whose method? As you have so kindly pointed out some subscribe and some don't:) Thanks > Love and Light, > > Garry > ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <173fc38fc5dabe89b4b88b5d38f5b1e9@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:03:45 GMT Lines: 57 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3F7F7CC0.E11DF37C@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.4.91.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9273 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F7F7CC0.E11DF37C@shaw.ca... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > > > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk > > (nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . Given your theory, any attempt to make an > > intention to change anything ie. reiki would then just reinforce the > > situation one is seeking to change. Sounds rather futile doesn't it.:) > > > > love is. . . > > I don't quite follow you. I subscribe to the power of real > intentionality, and have problems > with the rote repetition of words as having the same power. hmmmmmmmmm. . . .how many times have you written ROTW? Does it lose it's power with ea. time you repeat it ? Does the intention diminish? >We could > have a discussion about > what intentionality really is, to distinguish it from wishful thinking, > (my own terminology > from the past experiences of my circle of friends) > and affirmations as declarations that we then live into, to distinguish > them from attempts > to change something first. interestingly enough, The main "work" that need be done is making your "commands" loud and clear and releasing them, but in order to make a command you must first believe in your power to create what it is you want to manifest. . . .and in order to believe in your inherent power to create, you must first look at all the misconsceptions you perpetuate in your life that lead you to believe in your lack of power to change a thing. > Not sure how Reiki fits into that discussion from some of the posts i've read.. . it fits in quite well as there seems to be a lack of belief in just what reiki may and may not do in aiding a person. . . .but it is definately agreed upon. and I'll re-read my post to > see if I'm tripping all > over my words. > Cheers > Rich ###### X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <737a97de5a1a5efdce6eef17f4707f66@news.teranews.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:25:32 GMT Lines: 46 From: "arthealer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3F7F8631.EFC35907@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: The Highest Good X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9274 "Rich" wrote in message news:3F7F8631.EFC35907@shaw.ca... > > > arthealer wrote: > > > > > Hey Rich. . . this just popped into my head today when i was taking a walk > > (nice delayed reaction, no?:)... . > > love is. . . > > > > Just to add to my last response.....we could talk about intention 'til > the cows come home, > and what you actually experienced in your life would be 'the proof of > the pudding'. > The work you accomplished is real. If you say it came from intention, > positive thinking, > affirmations, determination, prayer, energy focusing, hope, peer > support, diet, life change, > or whatever...can I argue? Sorry i pulled the trump card on you (ie. my experience) but it happens. People try to suspend it as long as possible but when it comes right down to it, it wasn't anything i read in a book that drew these conclusions *for* me, it was my own exprience and trial and error. i have found a couple of things that parallel a few parts of what i believe in books(louise l hay for one) and i was thrilled to see a few of the concepts in print. Thank you rich for acknowledging my experience. It has come hard earned and i am not "finished" yet. . . rather just begun. i see through some misconsceptions about healing in general as a result of my own experience in understanding what that means for me.. . .not that everyone will have the same experience, but, i recognize some of the commonalities. i also value your experience rich with that "afirmationey stuff". i guess you are right to say that i attach "cause" to some things but . . . we all do. >You altered the way your life was going and > that is what is real. > You may look into your innermost thoughts and attach 'cause' to some > other power we don't > yet fully understand. We are just working with words of convenience. > Cheers > Rich ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f6143d8.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3f6d1fa5.2518231@news.east.earthlink.net> <41eb92356d74011b314a2ed3ea0c6209@news.teranews.com> <3F75BBC1.6092EA8A@shaw.ca> <32265d8ebd2b7022e6d7d5374483ac44@news.teranews.com> <3f7f588f.1341605@news.west.earthlink.net> <187b0b8257811b5da03c4350955931c9@news.teranews.com> <3f808c9b.1205446@news.west.earthlink.net> <8a4b4fd4955086f77dea281f02075792@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: The Highest Good Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:00:09 +0200 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-203-31.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3f82288d.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 7 Oct 2003 04:44:29 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-203-31.mweb.co.za Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!news-stoc.telia.net!news-stoa.telia.net!telia.net!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeed2.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-203-31.mweb.co.za Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:9290 "arthealer" wrote in message news:8a4b4fd4955086f77dea281f02075792@news.teranews.com... > > But, i certainly wouldn't leave my fate in > the hands of "prayer" alone or "intention" alone. Many a good intention > never get set into motion by action here in the physical. Our beliefs are > acted out here in the physical all the time. > > >stop thinking that the real you is the one > > that has these conversations about what works. All reiki practitioners might want to have a look at www.capacitar.org and find a few simple and apparently highly effective methods to add to your arsenal of physical interventions for yourself and your clients. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs"