From: "Henry S C" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Query for a colleague... Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 7 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Henry S C" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-93-205.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1058218109 19950 217.34.93.205 (14 Jul 2003 21:28:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:28:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.netkonect.net!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7937 ... who doesn't have NG access. He's beginning his journey with reiki and is anxious in case his Qi Gong training conflicts. Is there a received view on whether there are any issues between reiki and Qi Gong? Many thanks. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:07:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.149.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1058220452 165.247.149.106 (Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:07:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:07:32 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7934 On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:28:29 +0000 (UTC), "Henry S C" wrote: >... who doesn't have NG access. He's beginning his journey with reiki and >is anxious in case his Qi Gong training conflicts. Is there a received view >on whether there are any issues between reiki and Qi Gong? > >Many thanks. When in reiki class, do reiki, when in qigong class, do qigong. Or at least, that's what I've been doing the past few years. OTOH, I know that one of my reiki teachers is descended from a line of teachers that uses a certain qigong practice in part of their attunement ritual. In qigong, oftentimes one leads the qi with intent. In reiki, you step aside and let it find its path without your interference. Hope that helps. Garry P.S. Advice from those who have been doing this longer than I have gladly accepted. :-) ###### From: "Henry S C" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Henry S C" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-93-205.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1058222564 22958 217.34.93.205 (14 Jul 2003 22:42:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:42:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7936 > >... who doesn't have NG access. He's beginning his journey with reiki and > >is anxious in case his Qi Gong training conflicts. Is there a received view > >on whether there are any issues between reiki and Qi Gong? > > > >Many thanks. > > When in reiki class, do reiki, when in qigong class, do qigong. Or at > least, that's what I've been doing the past few years. OTOH, I know > that one of my reiki teachers is descended from a line of teachers > that uses a certain qigong practice in part of their attunement > ritual. > > In qigong, oftentimes one leads the qi with intent. In reiki, you step > aside and let it find its path without your interference. > > Hope that helps. > > Garry > > P.S. Advice from those who have been doing this longer than I have > gladly accepted. :-) Many thanks for your thoughtful input. I will pass this on to my colleague. ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:06 +0100 (BST) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1058223967 9930506 80.2.124.91 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7941 (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > In qigong, oftentimes one leads the qi with intent. In reiki, you step > aside and let it find its path without your interference. I know diddly-squat about Qi-Gong, but I consider that Reiki too is intent-based ... not in the sense that X intends to do Y to Z .. but that the practitioner's intent is to allow whatever is to occur occur .. > P.S. Advice from those who have been doing this longer than I have > gladly accepted. :-) Don't put yourself down, Garry ... ;) Stuart ###### From: "Vanessa" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <3BHQa.1319$ym.331927@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:04:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.110.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1058227647 216.209.110.154 (Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:07:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:07:27 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!cyclone.bc.net!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7938 Wasn't Two Bears pretty knowledgeable in Qi-Gong?? "Stuart Vernon" wrote in message news:memo.20030715000606.336B@stuv.compulink.co.uk... ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki,alt.meditation.qigong Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f1380b2.514366@news.earthlink.net> References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> <3BHQa.1319$ym.331927@news20.bellglobal.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:12:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1058242351 165.247.136.55 (Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:12:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:12:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7930 On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:04:15 -0500, "Vanessa" wrote: >Wasn't Two Bears pretty knowledgeable in Qi-Gong?? Why do you speak of him in the past tense? He is still very much alive and still in possession of his faculties. :-) Also, he's still here in the newsgroups. He's been posting a lot lately on alt.meditation.qigong Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3f138134.645346@news.earthlink.net> References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:16:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1058242616 165.247.136.55 (Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:16:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:16:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7929 On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:06 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >Don't put yourself down, Garry ... ;) Who said I was putting myself down? I'm neither the most nor the least experienced and was simply acknowledging reality and requesting that those with more experience than I share a bit. :-) Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:26:42 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:23:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.167.159 X-Trace: sv3-kvhUK6vp5K+EqujkVwQBQKAdBKtfYmTalcMq8zmVN2+XcRykwhf+YkCXkJN2zFwGO2XGn8/iR73Xr47!BPDIGp5/M8SJbaxcRtxF6qqv5ShCF2kKsm/jI5spWI8Y9OyHA2rHi94KzHfUP44ogNW2bBXrcw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7933 I agree with Gary - re: dancing with the one that you are with. If you can't keep your eye off the other one, you will get into trouble... I find that paths sometimes merge for a while. Though for me they have usually eventually diverged. (When you come to a fork in the road, take it.) There are some things to watch for (Caution: everything that follows is what I was taught; I am neither Sifu nor Sensei. Your/his teacher's input may vary.) In Qiqiong/Taiji, qi follows yi - that is intent leads the Qi. So far, there is no conflict with Reiki - just intend the qi flow. However: There are some differences in how Qi/Ki is modelled. Chinese Qi "cosmology" deals with Qi as a stored stuff, and I remember being cautioned by a teacher not to express (send) Qi because it had not yet developed enough. The model is like a battery: we have some that we are born with, some that we "make" out of food/air; some that we "make" with Qiqong. So if you are healing with this model, you use your Qi. You can be said to have a lot of Qi. There is "hard Qi" and "soft Qi"... The Japanese Ki model is that we are a pipe... my favourite analogy for Reiki is "artificial respiration", I breathe in air the pass it along. (The 2 stage process is a limitation of my body, and does not apply to Reiki.) However, the Ki is not "my Ki" any more than the air is mine when I breathe it in. So we are looking at a clear pipe, and the more practice that you have sending Ki (without getting in its way), the better. Your friend will have to allow these contradictions to coexist in his mind until and unless he selects one or the other path. (Asking one teacher about the other model is not always a good idea - been there, done it.) Peterz "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net... > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:28:29 +0000 (UTC), "Henry S C" > wrote: > > >... who doesn't have NG access. He's beginning his journey with reiki and > >is anxious in case his Qi Gong training conflicts. Is there a received view > >on whether there are any issues between reiki and Qi Gong? > > > >Many thanks. > > When in reiki class, do reiki, when in qigong class, do qigong. Or at > least, that's what I've been doing the past few years. OTOH, I know > that one of my reiki teachers is descended from a line of teachers > that uses a certain qigong practice in part of their attunement > ritual. > > In qigong, oftentimes one leads the qi with intent. In reiki, you step > aside and let it find its path without your interference. > > Hope that helps. > > Garry > > P.S. Advice from those who have been doing this longer than I have > gladly accepted. :-) > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:43 +0100 (BST) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3f138134.645346@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1058298230 10651777 80.2.124.91 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7960 Well OK, if you insist ... although there's a lot of light hiding under the bushel ... ;) Stuart (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >Don't put yourself down, Garry ... ;) > > Who said I was putting myself down? I'm neither the most nor the least > experienced and was simply acknowledging reality and requesting that > those with more experience than I share a bit. :-) ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:42:23 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3f1473c4.1774276@news.netidea.com> References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-287.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7945 On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:23:44 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > >In Qiqiong/Taiji, qi follows yi - that is intent leads the Qi. So far, there >is no conflict with Reiki - just intend the qi flow. However: There are some >differences in how Qi/Ki is modelled. > >Chinese Qi "cosmology" deals with Qi as a stored stuff, and I remember being >cautioned by a teacher not to express (send) Qi because it had not yet >developed enough. The model is like a battery: we have some that we are born >with, some that we "make" out of food/air; some that we "make" with Qiqong. >So if you are healing with this model, you use your Qi. You can be said to >have a lot of Qi. There is "hard Qi" and "soft Qi"... > >The Japanese Ki model is that we are a pipe... my favourite analogy for >Reiki is "artificial respiration", I breathe in air the pass it along. (The >2 stage process is a limitation of my body, and does not apply to Reiki.) >However, the Ki is not "my Ki" any more than the air is mine when I breathe >it in. So we are looking at a clear pipe, and the more practice that you >have sending Ki (without getting in its way), the better. > Hi, Peter. Thanks for posting all this. In the paragraph just above, does the Japanese model you're describing apply to ki-ko (which words represent the Japanese way of pronouncing qi gong)? i.e., are you describing a Japanese qi gong method for externalizing universal ki? Or is what you are describing more like jo rei? Or do both work from the same model? montane ###### Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Lines: 42 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:50:42 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones.force9.net 1058344696 212.56.115.1 (Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:38:16 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:38:16 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!landlord!stones.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7957 > ... who doesn't have NG access. He's beginning his journey with reiki and > is anxious in case his Qi Gong training conflicts. Is there a received view > on whether there are any issues between reiki and Qi Gong? > > Many thanks. > Quite frankly, I find that the two are pulling directly on the same source(s). I found in my Reiki attunement that nowt happened when I did my first practice on another student (in Reiki mode). I then sort of sank into the basic position of Qi Gong (sort of horse stance), relaxed out elbows/ shoulders/ knees, elbows slightly out and WHAMMO, boy did something start moving (and the 'patient' sure noticed something as well!). Conversely, in Qi Gong energy classes, doing chi moving/ sharing exercises at the end of the class, I find that I get that Reiki 'hands flowing' thing coing in big style. I don't actually think one should get too hung up in this one- QiGong was a standard thing deeply embedded in the Asiatic culture of the time, and is sort of taken for granted. My Reiki manual clearly refers to what I have always understood as Qi Gong as a Reiki basic technique. I think the subtlety is that Reiki is zapping energy down from outside you- it is a universal flow of energy- and Qi Gong is more internal- internal as in having harvested from a combination of yourself and your immediate environement (hopefull a nice tree, a waterfall, the ground you are standing on... but more often a school canteen!). The proviso is if you do Qi Gong without that Reiki thang, then you are quickly going to end up a tired puppy (as you will be depleting your own energies!)- where Reiki should flow all day and all night actually making you feel better. But I do actually beleive that the two go together and enhance each other. But what do I know! Cheers, J. ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:14 +0100 (BST) Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust91.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.91) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1058735649 14253009 80.2.124.91 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust91.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8072 (Two_Bears) wrote: > The news of my demise has not reached me yet; URMarkTwainAICM5USD ... ;) Stuart ###### From: "Vanessa" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki,alt.meditation.qigong References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> <3BHQa.1319$ym.331927@news20.bellglobal.com> <3f1380b2.514366@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:53:53 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.110.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1058734627 216.209.110.165 (Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:57:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:57:07 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!surfnet.nl!newsfeed.wxs.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8068 Hi Two Bears > The news of my demise has not reached me yet; and you would think I wound be > the first to know if I expired. ;-) > > I have just been busy with other subjects . Which was why I posted in past tense, not intending it to mean your demise but others took it to be, I merely said "was" as maybe my error, but more cause I wasn't sure and because I hadn't seen you posting much..... Nice to see your words..... Blessings, Vanessa ###### From: "Vanessa" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki,alt.meditation.qigong References: <3f132acc.1078915@news.earthlink.net> <3BHQa.1319$ym.331927@news20.bellglobal.com> <3f1380b2.514366@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Query for a colleague... Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:02:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.110.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1058760414 216.209.110.143 (Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:06:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:06:54 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:8069 "sorry maybe I should elaborate... I wasn't sure if you (Two Bears) had posted in the past about Qigong... "> Which was why I posted in past tense, not intending it to mean your demise > but others took it to be, I merely said "was" as maybe my error, but more > cause I wasn't sure and because I hadn't seen you posting much..... > Blessings, Vanessa