From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Dousing the flame Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:03 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1054888211 02 7373 GYwVV1zSSOa3my 030606 08:30:10 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: GhBsiuZa8eapnAwFX+kv4BdI9XnpQ4Im05iWxyS322sV6G0uJs+m6K X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6934 Fun :-) Now I'm getting private answers as well. I don't mind that, it keeps me busy. Only please someone, please tell me, where I attacked Steven's page? This upsets me more than you think and it needs to be gotten rid of. We used to have flame wars, that wasn't good at all. Still in the end we got along. This thing here wasn't (meant to be) a flame against ANYBODY. Just a simple question. It obviously touched a nerve. Maybe that's good, maybe it isn't. A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the spiritual approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern expressions to "feel" spiritual again? For myself this is true in a way. I 'restarted' my road being very, very indian in dressing, living, praying etc. I was quite militant at that. Would you believe I very nearly became a Hare Krishna person :-) It wouldn't have been the worst of states, but thing developed differently when I met Yogananda people, who incidently say namaste a lot. Sweet souls all of them. I am very happy for those two long periods of my life. Downside is that I learned to cook indian food in the temple. My waist has never been the same since :( Anyway, in those days I would have ripped anyone's head off, who would have questioned my indian ways. Silly when I think of it now, but it wasn't silly then. I hear many of you being on the Q'iGong and Yoga roads. That would make a lot of difference to your approach of using namaste. When we had the thread 2 or 3 times before, it was different. I am living in the past, aren't I? wondering where time went..... Gabes ###### From: Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:19:26 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-360.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7024 On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:03 +0200, "Gabriel" wrote: >Have we lost the spiritual >approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern >expressions to "feel" spiritual again? I think your question is a very good one. People get so caught up in day-to-day living that they forget about spirituality. Then when they realize what they are missing, they grasp onto the first "spiritual" thing they see. At least that's my perception, from what I've seen of the world. I know that I will revert back to what I learned as a child when seeking a spiritual "foothold." Chewy doesn't have that same type of anchor I have, so he tends to do more searching. At one point in his life, he studied Zen Buddhism. Over the years, he has come closer to having an anchoring faith. Through what he has told me of his experiences and what I have observed in others, that lack of an achor has much to do with your question. Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= True evangelical faith cannot lie dormant. It clothes the naked, feeds the hungry, comforts the sorrowful, shelters the destitute. And serves those who harm it. -- Menno Simons, 1539 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: "dsb" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.218.69.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mchsi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1055077615 12.218.69.32 (Sun, 08 Jun 2003 13:06:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 13:06:55 GMT Organization: MediaCom High Speed Internet Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 13:06:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!206.252.192.28.MISMATCH!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.6.MISMATCH!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7020 "Gabriel" wrote in message news:bbpjei$76d$02$1@news.t-online.com... > A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the spiritual > approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern > expressions to "feel" spiritual again? Eastern expressions? Ya mean like building a religion around and worshipping a carpenter born in the MIDDLE EAST (I'm not referring to middle east america or britain as many ethnocentrics may imagine )many moons ago??? :))))) xxxooo ukdena ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:05:57 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1055081213 01 9600 KffGVZ-TScA-Iy 030608 14:06:53 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: GlDbLkZ6weye6DWW7y4FTDNAQQyag01TY++tTV0avwANRtFVwmG4sd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7008 < Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 16:06:39 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.41.146 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.41.146 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055081191 62.202.41.146 (8 Jun 2003 16:06:31 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 28 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7003 5 years ago seenig all people preaching in TV I thought that I should have made "the Radiant energy * church.. Well Now I am served :-)! Theo dsb wrote: > "Gabriel" wrote in message > news:bbpjei$76d$02$1@news.t-online.com... > > > A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the > spiritual > > approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern > > expressions to "feel" spiritual again? > > Eastern expressions? Ya mean like building a religion around and > worshipping a carpenter born in the MIDDLE EAST (I'm not referring to middle > east america or britain as many ethnocentrics may imagine )many moons > ago??? :))))) > > xxxooo > ukdena -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: "ShadowWolf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:03:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.33.138.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1055102631 65.33.138.52 (Sun, 08 Jun 2003 16:03:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 16:03:51 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Central Florida Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7041 ShadowWolf smiles: From what I have seen and heard over these past 65 years just about all religious groups are based solely on the imagination of some individual or group and often only after a claim of so called enlightenment. I think the very best examples of what it is really about ( this life) can be better seen just by watching Nature at work. Whatever fits within your sense of things is what will work best for you. Just because one person loves one idea doesn't mean it will fit for you. Learn to think for the Self instead of just following someone else. Namaste' ShadowWolf -- ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com http://www.reiki.net "dsb" wrote in message news:PxGEa.89461$DV.103942@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > > "Gabriel" wrote in message > news:bbpjei$76d$02$1@news.t-online.com... > > > A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the > spiritual > > approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern > > expressions to "feel" spiritual again? > > Eastern expressions? Ya mean like building a religion around and > worshipping a carpenter born in the MIDDLE EAST (I'm not referring to middle > east america or britain as many ethnocentrics may imagine )many moons > ago??? :))))) > > xxxooo > ukdena > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EE3A9CF.1A77F14C@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:28:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1055107685 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:28:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:28:05 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7045 Yep. And since it is man's 'nature' to evolve up the ladder of consciousness, maybe the religious stage is a stop along the way, since it appears every human society has religion in its make-up. Experiencing one's religion is a step up from the purely 'animal' and it prepares humans for the next step? (I am not speaking here about any religion that is stuck at the animal stage.) Somewhere along the way, we transcend 'religion' and move into the truly spiritual levels? This step is enhanced by things like the various types of meditation, energies, mysticism, etc. Reiki? I envy those who have spent the time at developing a good meditative practice. Is it possible that when we 'follow someone else', the 'someone else' should be someone who has/have evolved beyond our present level of development? I believe we are always following someone else anyway, and trying to come across like we are 'doing our own thing'. We don't live in a vacuum or in a cave. The main thing is, we need to honor those who are at a different stage of their journey. Some have gone through it and others are still struggling. We are all in it together. So it's like this......pick any other person on the planet. OK? Now, I assert that if we were to have been exposed to the same upbringing, societal/cultural influences, etc. we would be living our lives in exactly the same way as they are. This includes the things we don't like about the way THEY are living! This might be a good starting point in how we relate to them. On the other hand, I could be totally full of shit! :) Peace Rich ShadowWolf wrote: > > ShadowWolf smiles: > From what I have seen and heard over these past 65 years just about all > religious groups are based solely on the imagination of some individual or > group and often only after a claim of so called enlightenment. > Learn to think for the Self instead of just following someone else. > > Namaste' > ShadowWolf > ###### Message-ID: <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:16:11 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.52.88 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.52.88 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055146561 62.203.52.88 (9 Jun 2003 10:16:01 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 59 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7047 when one of us finds its path get " enlightened* but but the way we got it is not a standard applicable to everybody so preaching the True and only way to enlightment is "hogwsh" Namaste Theo ( itself) ShadowWolf wrote: > ShadowWolf smiles: > > From what I have seen and heard over these past 65 years just about all > religious groups are based solely on the imagination of some individual or > group and often only after a claim of so called enlightenment. > > I think the very best examples of what it is really about ( this life) can > be better seen just by watching Nature at work. > > Whatever fits within your sense of things is what will work best for you. > Just because one person loves one idea doesn't mean it will fit for you. > > Learn to think for the Self instead of just following someone else. > > Namaste' > ShadowWolf > > -- > ShadowWolf > http://www.mysticreiki.com > http://www.reiki.net > "dsb" wrote in message > news:PxGEa.89461$DV.103942@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > > > > "Gabriel" wrote in message > > news:bbpjei$76d$02$1@news.t-online.com... > > > > > A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the > > spiritual > > > approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern > > > expressions to "feel" spiritual again? > > > > Eastern expressions? Ya mean like building a religion around and > > worshipping a carpenter born in the MIDDLE EAST (I'm not referring to > middle > > east america or britain as many ethnocentrics may imagine )many > moons > > ago??? :))))) > > > > xxxooo > > ukdena > > > > > > -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3EE442E4.F7753FA2@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:18:44 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE3A9CF.1A77F14C@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.52.88 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.52.88 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055146713 62.203.52.88 (9 Jun 2003 10:18:33 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 59 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7053 I forgot one thing on my previous Hogwash posting BUT a person that got enlightment can spread his High vibes onto a disciple and in this way open the possibility to the person to find HIS way.. that will be different from the Master's one Theo Rich wrote: > Yep. And since it is man's 'nature' to evolve up the ladder of > consciousness, maybe the religious > stage is a stop along the way, since it appears every human society has > religion in its make-up. > Experiencing one's religion is a step up from the purely 'animal' > and it prepares humans for the next step? (I am not speaking here about > any religion that is stuck at the animal stage.) Somewhere along the > way, we transcend 'religion' and move into the > truly spiritual levels? This step is enhanced by things like the various > types of meditation, energies, mysticism, etc. Reiki? > I envy those who have spent the time at developing a good meditative > practice. > Is it possible that when we 'follow someone else', the 'someone else' > should be someone who has/have evolved > beyond our present level of development? I believe we are always > following someone else anyway, and trying to come across like we are > 'doing our own thing'. We don't live in a vacuum or in a cave. > The main thing is, we need to honor those who are at a different stage > of their journey. Some have gone through it and others are still > struggling. We are all in it together. So it's like this......pick any > other > person on the planet. OK? Now, I assert that if we were to have been > exposed to the same upbringing, societal/cultural influences, etc. we > would be living our lives in exactly the same way as they are. This > includes the things we don't like about the way THEY are living! This > might be a good starting point in how we relate to them. On the other > hand, I could be totally full of shit! :) > Peace > Rich > > ShadowWolf wrote: > > > > ShadowWolf smiles: > > > From what I have seen and heard over these past 65 years just about all > > religious groups are based solely on the imagination of some individual or > > group and often only after a claim of so called enlightenment. > > > > Learn to think for the Self instead of just following someone else. > > > > Namaste' > > ShadowWolf > > -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:05:42 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 89 Message-ID: <3ee48bd9.13059865@news.netidea.com> References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-668.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7056 On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:03 +0200, "Gabriel" wrote: > >Now I'm getting private answers as well. I don't mind that, it keeps me >busy. > >We used to have flame wars, that wasn't good at all. Still in the end we got >along. This thing here wasn't (meant to be) a flame against ANYBODY. Just a >simple question. It obviously touched a nerve. Maybe that's good, maybe it >isn't. > >A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the spiritual >approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern >expressions to "feel" spiritual again? Hi, Gabriel Personally, I don't see the topic or the threads as much of a flame war (and maybe you are acknowledging this fact, since you make reference to flame wars of the past). I don't think any of this is a "big deal" in any sense. Like I said about the 'namaste question': "Here in cyberspace, I feel these are small matters." I'll say these things about myself and Eastern paths: My parents were not regular church-goers, though they each believed in God and though my mother had pronounced spiritual interests and sensitivity. Christianity seemed to me to be quite fractured in a sectarian sense, and "the miraculous" which is alluded to in that tradition did not seem to be in evidence in the life of the churches in every little town. It seemed distant. There was also a "paganic" streak in my personality which had me building bird feeders as a young boy, and planting acorns and praying over the planted seeds. Nobody taught me these things, they were what I wanted to do. At the age of about 14, I came across a copy of *Autobiography of a Yogi* by Yogananda in a store and bought it and read it and was deeply impressed. A year or so later, I started taking a Tae Kwon Do (martial art) class and soon after bought a copy of Alan Watts's book *The Way of Zen*. Y's book was largely concerned with 'supernature' while W's book was more about being at home in nature. Neither of the authors emphasized 'sin' in the sense that this seemed to have dominated much of church Christianity. During college and university, studying in courses centred around psychology and social science, I took initiation into meditation. That happened after a spontaneous inner experience I had which I might have related to the "christian" mysticism of Meister Eckhardt (had I known about it at the time), but which seemed to me, at the time. as related to the paths of yoga and Zen. I'll leave out the rest of the story, which anyway I have told here in short form in the past. If this is a lack of 'spiritual approach to my own culture', as you ask about, then maybe it is because I had no easy approach to it as a youth. But, of course, we all live in a globalizing, more comopolitan age, and I suppose it is all natural to be more widely interested. I guess we have each wound up on AHR by a unique path -- but I dunno, there may be some common stories, and maybe my own is similar to some other people's. Blessings, montane For myself this is true in a way. I >'restarted' my road being very, very indian in dressing, living, praying >etc. I was quite militant at that. Would you believe I very nearly became a >Hare Krishna person :-) It wouldn't have been the worst of states, but thing >developed differently when I met Yogananda people, who incidently say >namaste a lot. Sweet souls all of them. I am very happy for those two long >periods of my life. Downside is that I learned to cook indian food in the >temple. My waist has never been the same since :( > >Anyway, in those days I would have ripped anyone's head off, who would have >questioned my indian ways. Silly when I think of it now, but it wasn't silly >then. > >I hear many of you being on the Q'iGong and Yoga roads. That would make a >lot of difference to your approach of using namaste. When we had the thread >2 or 3 times before, it was different. I am living in the past, aren't I? > >wondering where time went..... >Gabes > > > > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EE49B72.94495EAC@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:39:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1055169545 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:39:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:39:05 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7065 What??? But I was promised enlightenment! I spent good money for the carpet and water pipe!! When the room spins around, isn't that enlightenment? Theo wrote: > > when one of us finds its path get " enlightened* but but the way we got it > is not a standard applicable to everybody so preaching the True and only > way to enlightment is "hogwsh" > Namaste > Theo ( itself) > ###### Message-ID: <3EE4E163.5BFF64E@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:35:00 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE49B72.94495EAC@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.126.48 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.126.48 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055187287 81.62.126.48 (9 Jun 2003 21:34:47 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 48 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7049 Rich wrote: > What??? But I was promised enlightenment! I spent good money for the > carpet and water pipe!! > When the room spins around, isn't that enlightenment Try a Habana puff a cloud trip on it :-) I tried once some pot and yoga meditation with pranayma at the same all together. I was 24 , it was home grown american seeds, I was working for UN narcotic board , it was my 2nd join I had 6 hours trip !!! Wonderful & frightening!! I discovered that exactly in this following squence to be to be is to be is to be to be is to be conscious to be is to be conscious to be ended the trip packed my 2 mariuhana plants 3 ft tall each flushed trought the toilet and ended smoking for good but many immages are still in my mind it changed my perception of things though Love and light Theo > > > Theo wrote: > > > > when one of us finds its path get " enlightened* but but the way we got it > > is not a standard applicable to everybody so preaching the True and only > > way to enlightment is "hogwsh" > > Namaste > > Theo ( itself) > > -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:51:20 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.126.48 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.126.48 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055191868 81.62.126.48 (9 Jun 2003 22:51:08 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7075 Rich wrote: > We should distinguish between 'enlightenment' and a 'peak experience'. > Anyone, at any time, can have a peak experience. When the experience > passes, so you think that enlightmente is a steady experience when one has experienced that all his life will run accordingly..? I do not think that Jesus or Buddha after enlightment lived as books say they did Buddha changed ways many times until he found thereal one.. but was not all the same time on the *cloud" I am sure he lived like many normal person.. like sharing a beer with some friends if it occurred the opportunity it was the only plumpy Holy man in all histoy so someone that loved good food. and good thinking too . he died for some pork he ate :-) > > life could go back to same old same old. I definitely would not use this > person > as a Teacher, but as an interesting commentator. you have eye blinds like horses you imagine that what you are looking for should look as the image you taylored in your mind.. so like most of us run after an illusion .. Maya is called think like an alien :-) & see like an alien maybe you already met your guru man and discarded him! Theo > > Cheers > Rich > > Theo wrote: > > > > when one of us finds its path get " enlightened* but but the way we got it > > is not a standard applicable to everybody so preaching the True and only > > way to enlightment is "hogwsh" > > Namaste > > Theo ( itself) > > -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:33:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1055194400 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:33:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:33:20 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7097 Actually, all I said was that a peak experience is different than enlightenment, Theo. All the rest is what you said I said.............and I didn't! However, what you said is very 'enlightening'! And maybe YOU are my guru? I certainly find your comments thoughtworthy. No, I certainly do not think you get frozen at the enlightenment level. It is very much a NOW phenomenon. Off/On. Peace! Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > > We should distinguish between 'enlightenment' and a 'peak experience'. > > Anyone, at any time, can have a peak experience. When the experience > > passes, > > so you think that enlightmente is a steady experience when one > has experienced that all his life will run accordingly..? > I do not think that Jesus or Buddha after enlightment lived as books say they > did > Buddha changed ways many times until he found thereal one.. but was not all > the same time on the *cloud" I am sure he lived like many normal person.. like > sharing a beer with some friends if it occurred the opportunity it was the only > plumpy Holy man in all histoy so someone that loved good food. and good thinking > too . he died for some pork he ate :-) > > > > > life could go back to same old same old. I definitely would not use this > > person > > as a Teacher, but as an interesting commentator. > > you have eye blinds like horses you imagine that what you are looking for > should look as the image you taylored in your mind.. so like most of us run after > an illusion .. Maya is called > think like an alien :-) & see like an alien maybe you already met your guru man > and discarded him! > Theo > > > > > Cheers > > Rich > > > > Theo wrote: > > > > > > when one of us finds its path get " enlightened* but but the way we got it > > > is not a standard applicable to everybody so preaching the True and only > > > way to enlightment is "hogwsh" > > > Namaste > > > Theo ( itself) > > > > > -- > Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet > Theo > http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:09:38 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3ee48bd9.13059865@news.netidea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1055203834 06 20380 tD9GVc+ESYAfUM 030610 00:10:34 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: Gbg35+ZUZeC-OlBsW5MbwYEDOkLYrjBpQUmmTiAJVxZkWc2DqkO6cn X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7083 Hi Montane thanks for the story! Somehow our paths find us don't they? I just remembered two other things that were really important. My father was a minister but I wasn't raised christian at all. Sounds weird but that is the way it was. Years later I converted to catholisism. Long story, LOL. And then came the long journey through some of the many homes of God-Spirit-whatever name you like. And now? Now there is just me, happy all over the place, never quite at home, but happy anyway. My favourite church (as a building) are old walls of monasteries or temples with no roof and just the sky as a ceiling, old trees nearby, or even just a clearing in the forest or wide fields of grass with the wind whispering. I can't stand being locked in, when I "hook up". But when the energy is right, friends are near, or some stranger just says the right thing or smiles from the heart, I come a little bit closer to "home" whereever I am. It's good to be alive, though sometimes it ain't easy :-) -- ______________________________________________ "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad." ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:29:32 -0700 Lines: 77 Message-ID: <3EE5266C.3EF9@nidlink.com> References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3ee48bd9.13059865@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-224.imbris.com (216.18.141.224) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1055205037 15773498 216.18.141.224 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-224.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7070 montane wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:26:03 +0200, "Gabriel" wrote: > > > > >Now I'm getting private answers as well. I don't mind that, it keeps me > >busy. > > > >We used to have flame wars, that wasn't good at all. Still in the end we got > >along. This thing here wasn't (meant to be) a flame against ANYBODY. Just a > >simple question. It obviously touched a nerve. Maybe that's good, maybe it > >isn't. > > > >A new (at least for me) thought just popped up. Have we lost the spiritual > >approach to our individual cultures, that we so often resort to eastern > >expressions to "feel" spiritual again? > > Hi, Gabriel > > Personally, I don't see the topic or the threads as much of a flame war (and > maybe you are acknowledging this fact, since you make reference to flame wars > of the past). I don't think any of this is a "big deal" in any sense. Like > I said about the 'namaste question': "Here in cyberspace, I feel these are > small matters." > > I'll say these things about myself and Eastern paths: My parents were not > regular church-goers, though they each believed in God and though my mother > had pronounced spiritual interests and sensitivity. Christianity seemed to > me to be quite fractured in a sectarian sense, and "the miraculous" which is > alluded to in that tradition did not seem to be in evidence in the life of > the churches in every little town. It seemed distant. > > There was also a "paganic" streak in my personality which had me building > bird feeders as a young boy, and planting acorns and praying over the planted > seeds. Nobody taught me these things, they were what I wanted to do. > > At the age of about 14, I came across a copy of *Autobiography of a Yogi* by > Yogananda in a store and bought it and read it and was deeply impressed. A > year or so later, I started taking a Tae Kwon Do (martial art) class and soon > after bought a copy of Alan Watts's book *The Way of Zen*. Y's book was > largely concerned with 'supernature' while W's book was more about being at > home in nature. Neither of the authors emphasized 'sin' in the sense that > this seemed to have dominated much of church Christianity. > > During college and university, studying in courses centred around psychology > and social science, I took initiation into meditation. That happened after a > spontaneous inner experience I had which I might have related to the > "christian" mysticism of Meister Eckhardt (had I known about it at the time), > but which seemed to me, at the time. as related to the paths of yoga and Zen. > > I'll leave out the rest of the story, which anyway I have told here in short > form in the past. If this is a lack of 'spiritual approach to my own > culture', as you ask about, then maybe it is because I had no easy approach > to it as a youth. But, of course, we all live in a globalizing, more > comopolitan age, and I suppose it is all natural to be more widely > interested. > > I guess we have each wound up on AHR by a unique path -- but I dunno, there > may be some common stories, and maybe my own is similar to some other > people's. > > Blessings, > > montane My spiritual life didn't exist when I was younger. I was raised catholic, but never `bought' into it; it just didn't seem the right way for me. When I was in my 40s I began reading about eastern and pagan religions to see what they were about, as well as beginning yoga classes. The religious philosophies were interesting, but not one to make me a convert. When I began learning tai chi and qigong, I got very attracted to daoism and feel that it expresses a lot of how I feel. Zen is also appealing to me too. So I agree, Joel, there does seem to be a similar path we've all followed. namaste, sue ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:19:10 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3ee53128.4728850@news.netidea.com> References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3ee48bd9.13059865@news.netidea.com> <3EE5266C.3EF9@nidlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-454.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7077 On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:29:32 -0700, suzee wrote: >> >> I guess we have each wound up on AHR by a unique path -- but I dunno, there >> may be some common stories, and maybe my own is similar to some other >> people's. >> >> Blessings, >> >> montane > >is also appealing to me too. So I agree, Joel, there does seem to be a >similar path we've all followed. > >namaste, >sue I remember that Judy Rigby (currently on holidays, so far as I know) told me that she got interested in Reiki because she was a massage or shiatsu practitioner, and people were always talking about energy flow or qi. So she thought she should explore it, and got into Reiki. Not that I'm the right person to tell Judy's story. Maybe she will notice this thread and do her own story justice. LOL montane ###### Message-ID: <3EE56B71.B0853F38@ch.inter.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:24:01 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.182.103 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.182.103 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055222629 81.62.182.103 (10 Jun 2003 07:23:49 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 81 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7074 Hi Rich Good Morning Rich wrote: > Actually, all I said was that a peak experience is different than > enlightenment, Theo. > All the rest is what you said I said.............and I didn't! > However, what you said is very 'enlightening'! And maybe YOU are my > guru? I certainly > find your comments thoughtworthy. No, I certainly do not think you get > frozen at > the enlightenment level. It is very much a NOW phenomenon. Off/On. Thanks for what you said No I do not think that one should get frozen into a enlightenment level stagnation is teh contrary than evolution,, truth is a multi facetted jewel the Enlightmente IMHO changes all the time as evolution does and each time let's say a *sparkle * casts light in yourconception of things like in a puzzle you progress a little bit when the puzzle is completed it is time to go :-) Much love and happiness and LIGHT Theo > > Peace! > Rich > > Theo wrote: > > > > Rich wrote: > > > > > We should distinguish between 'enlightenment' and a 'peak experience'. > > > Anyone, at any time, can have a peak experience. When the experience > > > passes, > > > > so you think that enlightmente is a steady experience when one > > has experienced that all his life will run accordingly..? > > I do not think that Jesus or Buddha after enlightment lived as books say they > > did > > Buddha changed ways many times until he found thereal one.. but was not all > > the same time on the *cloud" I am sure he lived like many normal person.. like > > sharing a beer with some friends if it occurred the opportunity it was the only > > plumpy Holy man in all histoy so someone that loved good food. and good thinking > > too . he died for some pork he ate :-) > > > > > > > > life could go back to same old same old. I definitely would not use this > > > person > > > as a Teacher, but as an interesting commentator. > > > > you have eye blinds like horses you imagine that what you are looking for > > should look as the image you taylored in your mind.. so like most of us run after > > an illusion .. Maya is called > > think like an alien :-) & see like an alien maybe you already met your guru man > > and discarded him! > > Theo > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Rich > > > > > > Theo wrote: > > > > > > > > when one of us finds its path get " enlightened* but but the way we got it > > > > is not a standard applicable to everybody so preaching the True and only > > > > way to enlightment is "hogwsh" > > > > Namaste > > > > Theo ( itself) > > > > > > > > -- > > Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet > > Theo > > http://www.byjoke.com/ -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EE5F978.E2F17DAF@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> <3EE56B71.B0853F38@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:32:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1055259154 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:32:34 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:32:34 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7117 Hi Theo, Yes! And we never know where (or from whom) the next piece of the puzzle will appear. It could come from a brief conversation, a workshop, a book, an argument, a joke, a song, even from someone we don't like much. We must always be open to receive. Or for sure we may 'miss our guru'! A few years ago I did a week-long 'personal development' workshop in the U.S. that was led by a gentleman who was at one time a monasteried Buddhist monk. He said his job with us was mainly to 'cut through the bullshit in our lives.' Yikes! I thought we had that stuff well-hidden. Apparently not! Peace Rich Theo wrote: > > Hi Rich Good Morning > > Thanks for what you said No I do not think that one should get frozen into a > enlightenment level stagnation is teh contrary than evolution,, truth is a multi > facetted jewel > the Enlightmente IMHO changes all the time as evolution does and each time let's say a > *sparkle * > casts light in yourconception of things like in a puzzle you progress a little bit > when the puzzle is completed it is time to go :-) > Much love and happiness and LIGHT > Theo > > > > > Peace! > > Rich ###### Message-ID: <3EE5FCB4.5F2928FF@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:43:49 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> <3EE56B71.B0853F38@ch.inter.net> <3EE5F978.E2F17DAF@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.68.124 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.68.124 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055259345 81.62.68.124 (10 Jun 2003 17:35:45 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 22 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7102 Rich wrote: > Hi Theo, > Yes! And we never know where (or from whom) the next piece of the puzzle > will appear. It could > come from a brief conversation, a workshop, a book, an argument, a joke, > a song, even from someone we don't like much. We must always be open to > receive. Or for sure we may 'miss our guru'! That's right mate ! > t > monk. He said his job with us was mainly to 'cut through the bullshit in > our lives.' Yikes! I thought we had that stuff well-hidden. Apparently > not! oh my this was enligthtment on our self condition !LOL! peace Theo ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EE628E3.4279218E@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> <3EE56B71.B0853F38@ch.inter.net> <3EE5F978.E2F17DAF@shaw.ca> <3EE5FCB4.5F2928FF@bluewin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:54:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1055271294 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:54:54 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:54:54 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!feed.newsfeeds.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7115 One thing I should have added. This Buddhist monk was the funniest person I have ever known! He took nothing seriously. Before long we all started to see the humor in how we so 'carefully' put our lives together. If ever I wondered what it would be like to meet 'enlightenment personified', this was it! I believe the gentleman is now doing business consulting. Cheers Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > > Hi Theo, > > Yes! And we never know where (or from whom) the next piece of the puzzle > > will appear. It could > > come from a brief conversation, a workshop, a book, an argument, a joke, > > a song, even from someone we don't like much. We must always be open to > > receive. Or for sure we may 'miss our guru'! > > That's right mate ! > > > t > > monk. He said his job with us was mainly to 'cut through the bullshit in > > our lives.' Yikes! I thought we had that stuff well-hidden. Apparently > > not! > > oh my this was enligthtment on our self condition !LOL! > peace > Theo ###### Message-ID: <3EE63994.9418DE01@ch.inter.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:03:32 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: byjoke@ch.inter.netNOSP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> <3EE56B71.B0853F38@ch.inter.net> <3EE5F978.E2F17DAF@shaw.ca> <3EE5FCB4.5F2928FF@bluewin.ch> <3EE628E3.4279218E@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.115.49 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.115.49 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1055275397 81.62.115.49 (10 Jun 2003 22:03:17 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7104 Rich wrote: > One thing I should have added. This Buddhist monk was the funniest > person I have ever known! He took nothing seriously. Before long we all > started to see the humor in how we so 'carefully' put our lives > together. If ever I wondered what it would be like to meet > 'enlightenment personified', this was it! I believe the gentleman is now > doing business consulting. business consulting ?= he changed direction ! amazing the neigbours grass was greener for him too and what happened with your tuitions ? Namaste Theo > > Cheers > Rich > > Theo wrote: > > > > Rich wrote: > > > > > Hi Theo, > > > Yes! And we never know where (or from whom) the next piece of the puzzle > > > will appear. It could > > > come from a brief conversation, a workshop, a book, an argument, a joke, > > > a song, even from someone we don't like much. We must always be open to > > > receive. Or for sure we may 'miss our guru'! > > > > That's right mate ! > > > > > t > > > monk. He said his job with us was mainly to 'cut through the bullshit in > > > our lives.' Yikes! I thought we had that stuff well-hidden. Apparently > > > not! > > > > oh my this was enligthtment on our self condition !LOL! > > peace > > Theo -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EE64969.F2FCB4C1@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Dousing the flame References: <6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> <3EE00928.C540F825@nidlink.com> <3EE4424B.629C1F5@ch.inter.net> <3EE4EBB0.2383C27D@shaw.ca> <3EE4F348.DAC37FF7@ch.inter.net> <3EE4FC87.5D4F9FE2@shaw.ca> <3EE56B71.B0853F38@ch.inter.net> <3EE5F978.E2F17DAF@shaw.ca> <3EE5FCB4.5F2928FF@bluewin.ch> <3EE628E3.4279218E@shaw.ca> <3EE63994.9418DE01@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:13:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1055279620 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:13:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:13:40 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:7116 Not greener grass. He was probably looking at his next step in bringing transformation to the planet. I'm getting lost in this thread, Theo. Enough said in here? a topic for a new thread? Rich Theo wrote: > > Rich wrote: > > > One thing I should have added. This Buddhist monk was the funniest > > person I have ever known! He took nothing seriously. Before long we all > > started to see the humor in how we so 'carefully' put our lives > > together. If ever I wondered what it would be like to meet > > 'enlightenment personified', this was it! I believe the gentleman is now > > doing business consulting. > > business consulting ?= he changed direction ! amazing the neigbours grass > was greener for him too > and what happened with your tuitions ? > Namaste > Theo > > > >