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I still wonder about the fashion of writing "namaskar" among reiki
practitioners. I don't mind, I just wonder. Namaskar is Hindi (or actually
Sanskrit) and hasn't really got anything to do with Japanese culture. Also
the gesture is different. When greeting someone in Japan you do not lay the
palms of the hands together, the Japanese find that quite amusing, as it is
used for praying to deities only. In Japan you bow quietly in various
degrees depending on social context. If you treat a client e.g. with shiatsu
or reiki you may perform the gassho (laying together of palms) but that is a
special situation and usually the well-mannered client will say "o-negai
shimasu" beforehand, welcoming you to "enter" his/her personal space.

Namaskar does not in any way mean anything so profound as "the Buddha in me
greets the Buddha in you" or other such translations. It simply means "glory
thus be unto you". It used to be a greeting for gods, then teachers and then
mankind (audience or whoever) and was performed above the head, before the
forehead and then before the heart. Modern Hindi uses it as Namaste or
Namaskar the same way we would say "hello" and is used only before the
heart.

But why use it in a Japanese context such as Reiki?

Please consider that any exaggerated form of greeting or obeisance will
cause embarrasment and is considered bad manners in Japan.

######

From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane)
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:43:46 +0200, "Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de> wrote:

>I still wonder about the fashion of writing "namaskar" among reiki
>practitioners. I don't mind, I just wonder. Namaskar is Hindi (or actually
<snip>
>
>But why use it in a Japanese context such as Reiki?
>
>Please consider that any exaggerated form of greeting or obeisance will
>cause embarrasment and is considered bad manners in Japan.
>

There are many things about which to wonder on AHR. <g>

Do you feel this is a specifically Japanese context that we have here in our
cyberspace?

Many discussions have revolved around the whole question of identifying Reiki
with Japan, or with Buddhism, or Shinto, or indeed, East Asia at all.  Is
there any relevance to China or Tibet -- some would say yes, some no, some
"I'm not sure" -- and yet all do Reiki.

We know that historically, Buddhism developed in India (where they put the
hands together), then spread to China, Tibet, Korea, Japan and so forth.
Usui was a Buddhist, but what is the relevance of Japan, China, Tibet, or
India to me or you?  We might each view this differently.

Personally, I practiced yoga meditation as tutored by two main teachers --
for about 20 years of my life.  I don't mind using Namaskar or Namaste in a
post, but don't care whether anyone else does it.  To be truthful, Reiki
*feels* more Daoist to me than Vedantic.  If somebody else wants to connect
Reiki energy with Jesus or with some Tibetan Tulku or with Native-American
traditions, fine with me.  :-)

Many now think that Takata limited or altered or adapted Reiki concepts and
practices for Westerners.  This may well be the case.  Certainly Westerners
have found limitless ways to adapt and embellish what Takata taught.  To the
point where some practitioners would have no idea what you meant if you
mentioned 5-element theory, or qi gong.

The AHR group, on the whole, is broad-minded.  So it's harmonious indeed that
you "don't mind, just wonder."  Could be frustrating otherwise.  ;-))))

Thanks for the reminder -- I will mind my manners in Japan.  ;-)

montane

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Does linguistic evolution or deconstructionism exist within Japan?

Maybe the element of deconstructionism (interpreting what you hear as your
own and in your own way, creating your own definition of it even if that
definition is completely different and unrelated to the original
meaning/context) applies to "Namaskar"?  If that's the case, if enough
people are using the word in that context, it's meaning will evolve.

"Everything Changes."
 - Shunryo Suzuki Roshi, founder San Francisco Zen Center

--- 
Steven Buck, CMT


"Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de> wrote in message
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> I still wonder about the fashion of writing "namaskar" among reiki
> practitioners. I don't mind, I just wonder. Namaskar is Hindi (or actually
> Sanskrit) and hasn't really got anything to do with Japanese culture. Also
> the gesture is different. When greeting someone in Japan you do not lay
the
> palms of the hands together, the Japanese find that quite amusing, as it
is
> used for praying to deities only. In Japan you bow quietly in various
> degrees depending on social context. If you treat a client e.g. with
shiatsu
> or reiki you may perform the gassho (laying together of palms) but that is
a
> special situation and usually the well-mannered client will say "o-negai
> shimasu" beforehand, welcoming you to "enter" his/her personal space.
>
> Namaskar does not in any way mean anything so profound as "the Buddha in
me
> greets the Buddha in you" or other such translations. It simply means
"glory
> thus be unto you". It used to be a greeting for gods, then teachers and
then
> mankind (audience or whoever) and was performed above the head, before the
> forehead and then before the heart. Modern Hindi uses it as Namaste or
> Namaskar the same way we would say "hello" and is used only before the
> heart.
>
> But why use it in a Japanese context such as Reiki?
>
> Please consider that any exaggerated form of greeting or obeisance will
> cause embarrasment and is considered bad manners in Japan.

######

Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:58:48 +0200
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Vey well said;

> Personally, I practiced yoga meditation as tutored by two main teachers --
> for about 20 years of my life.  I don't mind using Namaskar or Namaste in a
> post, but don't care whether anyone else does it.  To be truthful, Reiki
> *feels* more Daoist to me than Vedantic.  If somebody else wants to connect
> Reiki energy with Jesus or with some Tibetan Tulku or with Native-American
> traditions, fine with me.  :-)

me too,
Words are only clothes for our feelings...
Namaste, shine on your path, sois béni, mektoub...
stéphane,

######

From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane)
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 07:58:48 +0200, "stephane.jurado"
<stephane.jurado@laposte.net> wrote:

>Vey well said;
>
>> Personally, I practiced yoga meditation as tutored by two main teachers --
>> for about 20 years of my life.  I don't mind using Namaskar or Namaste in a
>> post, but don't care whether anyone else does it.  To be truthful, Reiki
>> *feels* more Daoist to me than Vedantic.  If somebody else wants to connect
>> Reiki energy with Jesus or with some Tibetan Tulku or with Native-American
>> traditions, fine with me.  :-)
>
>me too,
>Words are only clothes for our feelings...
>Namaste, shine on your path, sois béni, mektoub...
>stéphane,
>
Thanks, Stephanie.

montane

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er. Montane ... Stépane is a lad
 Stéphanie is a lad-y
 Theo

montane wrote:

>
> >Namaste, shine on your path, sois béni, mektoub...
> >stéphane,
> >
> Thanks, Stephanie.
>
> montane

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On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:18:02 +0200, Theo <Byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote:

>er. Montane ... Stépane is a lad
> Stéphanie is a lad-y
> Theo
>

Oops!  Thanks, Theo.  ;-)

I'm sorry, Stephane.  English is my native language, and I can easily make
mistakes in attempting to write even names in other languages.

montane


>montane wrote:
>
>>
>> >Namaste, shine on your path, sois béni, mektoub...
>> >stéphane,
>> >
>> Thanks, Stephanie.
>>
>> montane
>

######

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Hmmm, who would have thought that one could make a thread out of this!

Just a quicky:

Anyone can namaskar all he likes, lol, why not? I just wonder why, that's
all. If we were among ayurvedics or theravadas I wouldn't even think about
it. (you see I am an opld man and old men are weird)

And yes, Reiki as far as it is a name and a method is destinctly Japanese in
origin. India doesn't come in at this stage. Of course, if you want to go as
far as to consider the origin of the symbols for level two you do arrive in
India with a hint of Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism.

Japan and India have two cultures quite destinct from one another and I like
to honour that, even though I live in both of them. I was trained as a
temple dancer (bharatanatyam) and lived in that context for a long and happy
time, till winds and roads led me to other meadows :-) Now I spend half the
day working with Shiatsu and learning Tea Ceremony. My daytime work sees me
in a Waldorf School among anthroposophists.

So you really don't have to me about broadmindedness ;-), especially as far
as Reiki is concerned. It is amusing how one can be seen as a newbie just by
not attending AHR for a year, double lol.

I used to have the reiki site www.reiki-ryoho.de which I closed down because
too many people were doing strange things with the info therein. I never got
around to changing the layout etc. so now there are a few obsolete things in
there that have to be erased. Reiki has developed in many different ways,
some flowers so very beautifully! I will try to get the pages back online
bit by bit.

In some aspects these sites have become unnecessary of course. In "my" day,
there were few if any "good" books on the subject. There was however a great
deal of solala literature <sigh>. Luckily now that is different. If anyone
really wants to learn about Reiki and related branches and techniques there
is so much to be found. That is the main reason why I never felt motivated
to go on writing.

The basics and more can be found in print at reasonable prices, useful if
you had a proper basic training. Otherwise there are always workshops to
further your understanding, if you had the tough luck of running into one of
the solala teachers.

At one point however you want to say so very much as a teacher and you
become quite silent. It happens. The only way (for me at least) is to resort
to symbolic language, jokes, little poems and annoying questions. I try to
say something this way, but I do not not have an evangelistic complex, so if
you hear me, fine, if not, fine too. Life is so full of wonderful people.
Let's enjoy each other.

I am also very bitchy and have been bitchy since Reiki was finally something
we could talk about in public. Bear with me.

Hmm, this wasn't really a quickie was it?
--
______________________________________________
"Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."

######

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Hey Stéphane, mon vieux!

Good to (almost) see you again :-))

amitiés,
Gabriel

--
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"Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."

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Jesus Christ that was insulting.  Are you still upset by the original
version of the metareiki.org website???  If I was going to insult & demean
you I'd do so directly, not hide it with eloquent words and close with
positive and motivating comments.

Steven


"Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de> wrote in message
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> Hmmm, who would have thought that one could make a thread out of this!
>
> Just a quicky:
>
> Anyone can namaskar all he likes, lol, why not? I just wonder why, that's
> all. If we were among ayurvedics or theravadas I wouldn't even think about
> it. (you see I am an opld man and old men are weird)
>
> And yes, Reiki as far as it is a name and a method is destinctly Japanese
in
> origin. India doesn't come in at this stage. Of course, if you want to go
as
> far as to consider the origin of the symbols for level two you do arrive
in
> India with a hint of Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism.
>
> Japan and India have two cultures quite destinct from one another and I
like
> to honour that, even though I live in both of them. I was trained as a
> temple dancer (bharatanatyam) and lived in that context for a long and
happy
> time, till winds and roads led me to other meadows :-) Now I spend half
the
> day working with Shiatsu and learning Tea Ceremony. My daytime work sees
me
> in a Waldorf School among anthroposophists.
>
> So you really don't have to me about broadmindedness ;-), especially as
far
> as Reiki is concerned. It is amusing how one can be seen as a newbie just
by
> not attending AHR for a year, double lol.
>
> I used to have the reiki site www.reiki-ryoho.de which I closed down
because
> too many people were doing strange things with the info therein. I never
got
> around to changing the layout etc. so now there are a few obsolete things
in
> there that have to be erased. Reiki has developed in many different ways,
> some flowers so very beautifully! I will try to get the pages back online
> bit by bit.
>
> In some aspects these sites have become unnecessary of course. In "my"
day,
> there were few if any "good" books on the subject. There was however a
great
> deal of solala literature <sigh>. Luckily now that is different. If anyone
> really wants to learn about Reiki and related branches and techniques
there
> is so much to be found. That is the main reason why I never felt motivated
> to go on writing.
>
> The basics and more can be found in print at reasonable prices, useful if
> you had a proper basic training. Otherwise there are always workshops to
> further your understanding, if you had the tough luck of running into one
of
> the solala teachers.
>
> At one point however you want to say so very much as a teacher and you
> become quite silent. It happens. The only way (for me at least) is to
resort
> to symbolic language, jokes, little poems and annoying questions. I try to
> say something this way, but I do not not have an evangelistic complex, so
if
> you hear me, fine, if not, fine too. Life is so full of wonderful people.
> Let's enjoy each other.
>
> I am also very bitchy and have been bitchy since Reiki was finally
something
> we could talk about in public. Bear with me.
>
> Hmm, this wasn't really a quickie was it?
> --
> ______________________________________________
> "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."
>
>

######

From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane)
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:28:16 +0200, "Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de> wrote:

>Anyone can namaskar all he likes, lol, why not? I just wonder why, that's
>all. If we were among ayurvedics or theravadas I wouldn't even think about
>it. (you see I am an opld man and old men are weird)
>
>And yes, Reiki as far as it is a name and a method is destinctly Japanese in
>origin. India doesn't come in at this stage. Of course, if you want to go as
>far as to consider the origin of the symbols for level two you do arrive in
>India with a hint of Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism.
>
>Japan and India have two cultures quite destinct from one another and I like
>to honour that, even though I live in both of them. 

Here in cyberspace, I feel these are small matters -- maybe a little more
important in the physical-social worlds of Japan or India.  I'll mention that
both the Eiheiji Soto Zen tradition and the Yoshenji Rinzai Zen tradition,
each of which I took some training in and which are quite Japanese, use a
palms-together gassho, something which has survived more than 1600 years
since Buddhism was introduced into China and thence Japan.  They do not *say*
namaste or namaskar, of course.

>I was trained as a
>temple dancer (bharatanatyam) and lived in that context for a long and happy
>time, till winds and roads led me to other meadows :-) Now I spend half the
>day working with Shiatsu and learning Tea Ceremony. My daytime work sees me
>in a Waldorf School among anthroposophists.
>
Interesting. :-)  I did most of my meditation (dhyana) practice under
teachers in the Jyotir-math Saraswaiti tradition and the Uttar Pradesh
Hanuman-bhakti sadhu tradition.

>So you really don't have to me about broadmindedness ;-), especially as far
>as Reiki is concerned. It is amusing how one can be seen as a newbie just by
>not attending AHR for a year, double lol.
>
I hope you did not misunderstand my meaning.  Your verb is missing in the
sentence above, but I am supposing you meant to write something like  "So you
really don't have to [tell] me about broadmindedness."  Yes, I realize that.
I was on this newsgroup three years ago, when I got attuned, and I remember
you Gabriel.  No worries, I *do* think of you as broadminded.  :-) 

>
>In some aspects these sites have become unnecessary of course. In "my" day,
>there were few if any "good" books on the subject. There was however a great
>deal of solala literature <sigh>. Luckily now that is different. If anyone
>really wants to learn about Reiki and related branches and techniques there
>is so much to be found. That is the main reason why I never felt motivated
>to go on writing.
>
Just curious.........  Which do you feel are the best Reiki books available
now in English?

>
>I am also very bitchy and have been bitchy since Reiki was finally something
>we could talk about in public. Bear with me.
>
Will do.  :-)

montane

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Namaste
I honor the place within you in which the entire universe dwells.
I honor the place within you which is of love,
of truth, of light and of peace.
When you are in that place in you, and i am in that place in me,
We are one.

I first read that in the back of a reiki book by Penelope Jewel.

Maybe this topic is old news by now, but I just wanted to offer my
two cents. I don't know about any of the cultural implications or how
things get all mixed up. As far as I know cultures blend all the time
(heres a bad example. . . french fries have become decidely
american, haven't they?)


I never used "namaskar", but I learned the term "namaste" from my
yoga teachers and then was reintroduced to it by my Reiki masters.
When each of these 4 people use it they do it in such a heartfelt and
inspired way that is truly beautiful.  When they bow to me with their
palms together over their heart and then look into my eyes i feel
recognized. One day  I was thinking about it while driving in my car
and I actually started to cry over the beauty of it. I thought I should
greet every person I meet that way but I decided that if I went around
saying it to everyone they would laugh at me, so instead I use it
 when I know people will understand where I am coming from. That
only gives me a few options. One place I feel confident people will
understand it is here.


To me "Namaste" is a word that embodies so much and it reminds
me to be in that place of light and to honor others. It's so easy to
forget that we are not divided. I forget more often than I remember
and that is why I need to say and to hear "Namaste." I don't think of
it as a fashion and I dont care much for the semantics of it all. I
know what it means to me, not as someone involved with Reiki, but
as a person who wants to love and be loved. When I say it i mean it
and when I hear it (or read it) I take it with sincerity and I feel
honored. What is important to me is the intention. that said. . .

Namaste to each of you who shares a part of yourself here.

Hmm I thought I was done, but I guess I also have a question--does
Reiki really have to be decidedly Japanese? My understanding is
that Usui "rediscovered" it, not that he invented it. I guess the Usui
tradition is Japanese but Reiki is for everyone in every culture.  I'm
not worried about "exaggerated greetings" or "bad manners"--I dont
practice Reiki in Japan.

              `(*                        *)'                 `(*
*)'
  *)'   namaste *)'           namaste *)'             namaste  *)
*)'
        `(*             namaste      *)'      namaste *)'           namaste
*)'              `(*             `(*                   *)'
*)'

(picture me skipping through a field of dandelions "namaste-ing")

                                                                   -Ginger


"Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de> wrote in message
news:bbmhqf$pga$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> I still wonder about the fashion of writing "namaskar" among reiki
> practitioners. I don't mind, I just wonder. Namaskar is Hindi (or actually
> Sanskrit) and hasn't really got anything to do with Japanese culture. Also
> the gesture is different. When greeting someone in Japan you do not lay
the
> palms of the hands together, the Japanese find that quite amusing, as it
is
> used for praying to deities only. In Japan you bow quietly in various
> degrees depending on social context. If you treat a client e.g. with
shiatsu
> or reiki you may perform the gassho (laying together of palms) but that is
a
> special situation and usually the well-mannered client will say "o-negai
> shimasu" beforehand, welcoming you to "enter" his/her personal space.
>
> Namaskar does not in any way mean anything so profound as "the Buddha in
me
> greets the Buddha in you" or other such translations. It simply means
"glory
> thus be unto you". It used to be a greeting for gods, then teachers and th
en
> mankind (audience or whoever) and was performed above the head, before the
> forehead and then before the heart. Modern Hindi uses it as Namaste or
> Namaskar the same way we would say "hello" and is used only before the
> heart.
>
> But why use it in a Japanese context such as Reiki?
>
> Please consider that any exaggerated form of greeting or obeisance will
> cause embarrasment and is considered bad manners in Japan.
>
>

######

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doh. i should have read these other responses thoroughly before adding my
two cents.
"gingerobyn" <gingerobyn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6_SDa.48514$fT5.26208@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Namaste
> I honor the place within you in which the entire universe dwells.
> I honor the place within you which is of love,
> of truth, of light and of peace.
> When you are in that place in you, and i am in that place in me,
> We are one.
>
> I first read that in the back of a reiki book by Penelope Jewel.
>
> Maybe this topic is old news by now, but I just wanted to offer my
> two cents. I don't know about any of the cultural implications or how
> things get all mixed up. As far as I know cultures blend all the time
> (heres a bad example. . . french fries have become decidely
> american, haven't they?)
>
>
> I never used "namaskar", but I learned the term "namaste" from my
> yoga teachers and then was reintroduced to it by my Reiki masters.
> When each of these 4 people use it they do it in such a heartfelt and
> inspired way that is truly beautiful.  When they bow to me with their
> palms together over their heart and then look into my eyes i feel
> recognized. One day  I was thinking about it while driving in my car
> and I actually started to cry over the beauty of it. I thought I should
> greet every person I meet that way but I decided that if I went around
> saying it to everyone they would laugh at me, so instead I use it
>  when I know people will understand where I am coming from. That
> only gives me a few options. One place I feel confident people will
> understand it is here.
>
>
> To me "Namaste" is a word that embodies so much and it reminds
> me to be in that place of light and to honor others. It's so easy to
> forget that we are not divided. I forget more often than I remember
> and that is why I need to say and to hear "Namaste." I don't think of
> it as a fashion and I dont care much for the semantics of it all. I
> know what it means to me, not as someone involved with Reiki, but
> as a person who wants to love and be loved. When I say it i mean it
> and when I hear it (or read it) I take it with sincerity and I feel
> honored. What is important to me is the intention. that said. . .
>
> Namaste to each of you who shares a part of yourself here.
>
> Hmm I thought I was done, but I guess I also have a question--does
> Reiki really have to be decidedly Japanese? My understanding is
> that Usui "rediscovered" it, not that he invented it. I guess the Usui
> tradition is Japanese but Reiki is for everyone in every culture.  I'm
> not worried about "exaggerated greetings" or "bad manners"--I dont
> practice Reiki in Japan.
>
>               `(*                        *)'                 `(*
> *)'
>   *)'   namaste *)'           namaste *)'             namaste  *)
> *)'
>         `(*             namaste      *)'      namaste *)'
namaste
> *)'              `(*             `(*                   *)'
> *)'
>
> (picture me skipping through a field of dandelions "namaste-ing")
>
>                                                                    -Ginger
>
>
> "Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de> wrote in message
> news:bbmhqf$pga$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> > I still wonder about the fashion of writing "namaskar" among reiki
> > practitioners. I don't mind, I just wonder. Namaskar is Hindi (or
actually
> > Sanskrit) and hasn't really got anything to do with Japanese culture.
Also
> > the gesture is different. When greeting someone in Japan you do not lay
> the
> > palms of the hands together, the Japanese find that quite amusing, as it
> is
> > used for praying to deities only. In Japan you bow quietly in various
> > degrees depending on social context. If you treat a client e.g. with
> shiatsu
> > or reiki you may perform the gassho (laying together of palms) but that
is
> a
> > special situation and usually the well-mannered client will say "o-negai
> > shimasu" beforehand, welcoming you to "enter" his/her personal space.
> >
> > Namaskar does not in any way mean anything so profound as "the Buddha in
> me
> > greets the Buddha in you" or other such translations. It simply means
> "glory
> > thus be unto you". It used to be a greeting for gods, then teachers and
th
> en
> > mankind (audience or whoever) and was performed above the head, before
the
> > forehead and then before the heart. Modern Hindi uses it as Namaste or
> > Namaskar the same way we would say "hello" and is used only before the
> > heart.
> >
> > But why use it in a Japanese context such as Reiki?
> >
> > Please consider that any exaggerated form of greeting or obeisance will
> > cause embarrasment and is considered bad manners in Japan.
> >
> >
>
>

######

From: suzee <suzeeq@nidlink.com>
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gingerobyn wrote:
> 
> Namaste
> I honor the place within you in which the entire universe dwells.
> I honor the place within you which is of love,
> of truth, of light and of peace.
> When you are in that place in you, and i am in that place in me,
> We are one.
> 
> I first read that in the back of a reiki book by Penelope Jewel.
>
<snipping>

> I never used "namaskar", but I learned the term "namaste" from my
> yoga teachers and then was reintroduced to it by my Reiki masters.

I picked up `namaste' first from a yoga teacher, then from an advanced
level massage student who was my coach in massage school. Reiki came
after that. So it has more of an Indian origin for me, but I think the
meaning is universal.

namaste, sue

######

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montane a écrit:
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:18:02 +0200, Theo <Byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> 
> 
>>er. Montane ... Stépane is a lad
>>Stéphanie is a lad-y
>>Theo
>>
> 
> 
> Oops!  Thanks, Theo.  ;-)
> 
> I'm sorry, Stephane.  English is my native language, and I can easily make
> mistakes in attempting to write even names in other languages.
> 
> montane

No matter Montane ;-)
stephane,

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Gabriel a écrit:
> Hey Stéphane, mon vieux!
> 
> Good to (almost) see you again :-))
> 
> amitiés,
> Gabriel
> 
> --
> ______________________________________________
> "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."
> 
> 
Bonjour Gabriel, mon ami :-)))
Me too I'am very happy to see you again in AHR, is good to heard from 
you again.

amitiés,
stephane

######

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Oh dear, this has gone way wrong. If you look into the archive we have had
several threads or namaste, when people asked what it means and I translated
it. No flames, no insults. No one felt the need to defend it and it was a
simple discussion.

This time it went haywire. I apoligise for any hurt I have caused you. Let's
please just drop the thread.

NAMASTE
;-)

######

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salut Stéphane t'est ou en  France?
 Theo

"stephane.jurado" wrote:

> montane a écrit:
> > On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:18:02 +0200, Theo <Byjoke@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>er. Montane ... Stépane is a lad
> >>Stéphanie is a lad-y
> >>Theo
> >>
> >
> >
> > Oops!  Thanks, Theo.  ;-)
> >
> > I'm sorry, Stephane.  English is my native language, and I can easily make
> > mistakes in attempting to write even names in other languages.
> >
> > montane
>
> No matter Montane ;-)
> stephane,

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Theo a écrit:
> salut Stéphane t'est ou en  France?
>  Theo

Bonjour Theo, je suis à montpellier et toi ?
Connais tu http://www.gymratz.co.uk/moodsofreiki/gallery/ ? c'est le 
trombinoscope de AHR que Gabriel avait mis en place il y a quelques années.
Amitiés
Stephane

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someone i know is having a flag day party tomorrow. its really just an
excuse to party. she asked that everyone bring their favorite american
beverage or something or other. someone asked facetiously if they could
bring "freedom fries"  what is this all about?  incidentally i won't be
there. not in the mood for budweiser and blind patriotism.
"Stuart Vernon" <stuv@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
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> (gingerobyn) wrote:
>
> > (heres a bad example. . . french fries have become decidely
> > american, haven't they?)
>
> Well ... since they became renamed as "Victory Fries" ... still
> we haven't seen the last of it ... :|
>
> Stuart
>

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ginger wrote:
<incidentally i won't be
<<there. not in the mood for budweiser and blind patriotism.

hee hee, budweiser is czechoslovakian anyway, LOL

but do go party, parties are fun. thing to do is this: Say "oh let me bring
the chips and pretzels and all that stuff and save you bother of go to the
trouble and, dear, WOULD you make that LOVELY lasagne of yours?" oops that's
italian :)

.....after a minute of puzzlement:

Just what is a really US american food? I can't think of anything
specifically american right now. Weird! Everything comes from some foreign
homecountry. That party is in a LOT of trouble.......

hur hur hur


--
______________________________________________
"Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:57:57 +0200, "Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de>
wrote:

>Just what is a really US american food? I can't think of anything
>specifically american right now. Weird! Everything comes from some foreign
>homecountry. That party is in a LOT of trouble.......

I knew that was tongue in cheek, Gabes, but on the serious side, even
foreign born dishes that are made in the US are often turned into
something unrecognizable to the foreigners it came from. Ever had a
pizza made by a Californian? <eek!> And there're plenty of ingredients
that you Europeans use that came originally from the New World, like
tomatoes, potatoes, maize, chiles, vanilla, and chocolate! And
chocolate! Subtract those ingredients from your cuisines and they
would be the poorer for it.

Next time you're down my way I'll fix you up a mess of hush puppies
and Calabash style flounder (or seasonal seafood of your choice), with
maybe some pumpkin pie or my famous pecan pie for desert. Even though
some do say apple pie is the quintessential American dessert. Or maybe
you'd rather have a plate of  Smithfield ham with red-eye gravy, fried
eggs, grits and buttermilk biscuits? Yeah! They serve that all the
time in Germany, I'll bet. You probably get meatloaf every day, right?
Which leads me to the following question: How many hamburgers do they
sell in a typical day in Hamburg (Ich bin ein Hamburger? Couldn't be
any worse than what some US presidents have said)? Just curious as to
how *that* got started? Does Hamburg take credit for McDonald's? Or do
they want to fight with their kinfolk across the channel for the
privilege? Or shall we concede that nobody does mass marketed junk
food like the US? LOL Mmmm, Hersey's chocolate, malted milkshakes and
ice cream floats! Moon Pies and Pepsi-colas! Those were invented in
Europe, right? I don't think so! Do you people eat turkey? We do, and
you know what they say--you are what you eat. But seriously, if you do
ever make it over to this side of the pond, I insist on throwin' a pig
pickin' for you, and everyone is invited!

Love, Light, and all this talk of food is givin' me a powerful case of
the hungries,

Garry

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God, you're brilliant! THAT'S IT! (Round) Pizza (pie) is an american
invention from New York City. The italians only took it over.

The day is SAVED, hur hur hur

--
______________________________________________
"Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."

######

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>Next time you're down my way I'll fix you up a mess of hush >puppies and
>Calabash style flounder (or seasonal seafood of your choice), with >maybe
some pumpkin pie or my famous pecan pie for desert"

>"Smithfield ham with red-eye gravy, fried
> eggs, grits and buttermilk biscuits?"

*I'm coming to your house for dinner!!!*

"Nadie Niemand" <nobody@nowhere.org.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:57:57 +0200, "Gabriel" <charosethNOSPAM@web.de>
> wrote:
>
> >Just what is a really US american food? I can't think of anything
> >specifically american right now. Weird! Everything comes from some
foreign
> >homecountry. That party is in a LOT of trouble.......
>
> I knew that was tongue in cheek, Gabes, but on the serious side, even
> foreign born dishes that are made in the US are often turned into
> something unrecognizable to the foreigners it came from. Ever had a
> pizza made by a Californian? <eek!> And there're plenty of ingredients
> that you Europeans use that came originally from the New World, like
> tomatoes, potatoes, maize, chiles, vanilla, and chocolate! And
> chocolate! Subtract those ingredients from your cuisines and they
> would be the poorer for it.
>
> Next time you're down my way I'll fix you up a mess of hush puppies
> and Calabash style flounder (or seasonal seafood of your choice), with
> maybe some pumpkin pie or my famous pecan pie for desert. Even though
> some do say apple pie is the quintessential American dessert. Or maybe
> you'd rather have a plate of  Smithfield ham with red-eye gravy, fried
> eggs, grits and buttermilk biscuits? Yeah! They serve that all the
> time in Germany, I'll bet. You probably get meatloaf every day, right?
> Which leads me to the following question: How many hamburgers do they
> sell in a typical day in Hamburg (Ich bin ein Hamburger? Couldn't be
> any worse than what some US presidents have said)? Just curious as to
> how *that* got started? Does Hamburg take credit for McDonald's? Or do
> they want to fight with their kinfolk across the channel for the
> privilege? Or shall we concede that nobody does mass marketed junk
> food like the US? LOL Mmmm, Hersey's chocolate, malted milkshakes and
> ice cream floats! Moon Pies and Pepsi-colas! Those were invented in
> Europe, right? I don't think so! Do you people eat turkey? We do, and
> you know what they say--you are what you eat. But seriously, if you do
> ever make it over to this side of the pond, I insist on throwin' a pig
> pickin' for you, and everyone is invited!
>
> Love, Light, and all this talk of food is givin' me a powerful case of
> the hungries,
>
> Garry
>
>

######

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:11:32 GMT, "gingerobyn" <gingerobyn@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>*I'm coming to your house for dinner!!!*

Just be forewarned--there are no low fat, low cal choices on the menu
when I cook!   ;-)

Garry

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neither do I
I swallowed a tape worm so I can eas as much as I wish  :-(>
 Theo

Nadie Niemand wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:11:32 GMT, "gingerobyn" <gingerobyn@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >*I'm coming to your house for dinner!!!*
>
> Just be forewarned--there are no low fat, low cal choices on the menu
> when I cook!   ;-)
>
> Garry

--
Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet
 Theo
http://www.byjoke.com/

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more fat is exactly what my diet needs. i weigh 100 lbs. maybe if i tell you
that you'll send some of that food my way!
"Nadie Niemand" <nobody@nowhere.org.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:11:32 GMT, "gingerobyn" <gingerobyn@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >*I'm coming to your house for dinner!!!*
>
> Just be forewarned--there are no low fat, low cal choices on the menu
> when I cook!   ;-)
>
> Garry
>

######

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:18:46 GMT, "gingerobyn" <gingerobyn@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>more fat is exactly what my diet needs. i weigh 100 lbs. maybe if i tell you
>that you'll send some of that food my way!

<chuckle> Be careful what you ask for...  In another 5 or 10 years,
you may be repenting that thought!  :-)

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old wise said "we are what we eat" ... so watch out one day you'll wake up..
humburger !
 theo

Nadie Niemand wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:18:46 GMT, "gingerobyn" <gingerobyn@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >more fat is exactly what my diet needs. i weigh 100 lbs. maybe if i tell you
> >that you'll send some of that food my way!
>
> <chuckle> Be careful what you ask for...  In another 5 or 10 years,
> you may be repenting that thought!  :-)

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