From: "Cyrek" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Attunements Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:42:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.84.126.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1054791729 12.84.126.159 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:42:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 05:42:09 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!206.252.192.28.MISMATCH!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6892 I have a thought that I need other opinions on. So I decided to come to you all here at ahr. If a person can be attuned to the Reiki ray or current of energy, can a person be attuned to other, unknown currents or rays? Say, elemental rays, creativity rays, etc.? Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Love, Light and Life, Glenn ###### Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 08:02:20 +0200 From: "stephane.jurado" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; fr; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 40233220f349312eda3820033e62221653e33a21d4e1e237b34938023eded9bc NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:48:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1054792124.8896.0@despina.uk.clara.net> Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!despina.uk.clara.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6905 Cyrek a écrit: > I have a thought that I need other opinions on. So I decided to come to you > all here at ahr. > > If a person can be attuned to the Reiki ray or current of energy, can a > person be attuned to other, unknown currents or rays? Say, elemental rays, > creativity rays, etc.? > > Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Love, Light and Life, > Glenn > > Hi Glenn, Namaste & welcome; Do you believe that a wrung stick can draw a perfect right line ? stephane, ###### From: "Reiki Evolution" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:20:25 +0100 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-234-246.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3edeef3a_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 5 Jun 2003 08:20:26 +0100, dial-62-64-234-246.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-lond.gip.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-234-246.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6886 Dear Cyrek, This probably isn't answering your question, but I don't see Reiki attunements as connecting you to a particular 'ray', but connecting you to the source... not in a limited or partial way but in a complete way. It's all in there! Best wishes, Taggart King www.reiki-evolution.co.uk "Cyrek" wrote in message news:RKADa.110995$cO3.8065512@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I have a thought that I need other opinions on. So I decided to come to you > all here at ahr. > > If a person can be attuned to the Reiki ray or current of energy, can a > person be attuned to other, unknown currents or rays? Say, elemental rays, > creativity rays, etc.? > > Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Love, Light and Life, > Glenn > > ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Attunements Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:01:11 EDT Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 05:41:51 -0700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6908 All of the rays or energy as another response says, is in the Reiki. For something specific, all you need do is get quiet, ask for it, and if it is in the highest good for yourself or another, believe that you have it. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Cyrek" wrote in message news:RKADa.110995$cO3.8065512@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I have a thought that I need other opinions on. So I decided to come to you > all here at ahr. > > If a person can be attuned to the Reiki ray or current of energy, can a > person be attuned to other, unknown currents or rays? Say, elemental rays, > creativity rays, etc.? > > Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Love, Light and Life, > Glenn > > ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:55:50 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1054828633 03 1901 1NhVVtdS9a3sa 030605 15:57:13 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: XLEasmZAZemnU1Y16DJ1RwuuFrisIbG+LcNCySwuOocg17yrpIR2Q2 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6899 Hi Cyrek, each person sees this in a slightly different way of course. I think your question has to be answered in two ways. 1.) Yes, anyone can be attuned to anything. One asks for the blessing of the particular powers that be. And the blessing if asked and given in a proper way will result in much heart-light. :-) 2.) No, you can't be attuned to anything by a person. We do not wield the attunements like esoteric hammer and nails. The person does not choose the ray, but the Ray chooses the person. And you don't get much say in it, if a ray decides it's time for you to wake up. Normally you cannot be attuned to something and then expect to "have" it. Everything needs practice. If you want to paint, you must learn the techniques. If you want to do Reiki, you must learn what to do and what not to do. You can be a good painter and you can be a good reiki practitioner. You can also be in your own way... A painter who spills paint all over the floor is a much a nuisance as a Reiki Practioner with wonderfully cleaned channels who doesn't know how to practice this without driving the client up a wall. So teaching is as important as attuning. In a way, Reiki isn't really an attunement to a ray, but rather a blessing, a prayer, an official act and above all a clearing away of emotional, an etherical debris, to enable you to be beneficial for others, providing you work with yourself as well. This working with yourself can mean many things and is a subject of its own. Reiki as such is the life energy present in the most minute thing, it is that without which nothing would exist. This is the way it was defined in China using the calligrapgic symbols that we use today about 3000 odd years ago. The word wasn't "Rei-Ki" then. I would have to ask a chinese scholar, what the mandarin word would be. For us today, Reiki is also a method as designed by Usui to use this force in a beneficial way, without having to learn a lot of complicated techniques first. Reiki is also a way of life, or better, an attitude to approach life in a very worthwhile way. This is the way Usui defined Reiki-Method in the Principles using a poemof the Meiji Emperor. Many esoteric connections talk of Rays and such, where is ray is attributed to certain aspects of divine effulgence. Often one uses the name of an Archangelic Being, an Risen Master or simply a colour. Sometimes there are outward ceremonies to make it a "that's that" fact, when someone connects to that particular road. For Reiki such a ceremony would for instance be a Goma/Fire ceremony. There are other possibilities too. That would be a "Reiki Ray" of sorts. -- ______________________________________________ "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad." ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:45:47 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 120 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-5QHzFVvvvtaO1ss2S8tnCfGMmPzjXvdtcUcSp2UHBWXwXJbQUNo+gvtypNE1sOscny8A7oQg09EU+53!x+RqdeJMyjdm97w2v7SImcX4uikkht7W+E+ze6sbBFasewxuKFvjzAPlatUo5oGhCkjzF7miHkTu X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6901 Hi Gabriel I have often wondered about the attunements. My 13-yr-old daughter, who had a couple of years of Ki training, used to give me "Reiki" when she thought that I needed it *before she got her attunement*. She was - to me - actually doing it. The relaxation response and "hot hands" were almost immediate. She was using the Ki training that she had previously from Aikido. You may not know that there is a healing methodology based on Ki that grew out of Aikido called Kiatsu, or Shinki-Ryoho. I have studied it - Ki is sent into the healee using thumb or index finger rather than hand. No chakras or meridians are considered. My experience is that the Ki/Qi from the Aikido, Qigong, and Taiji are very much the same as that for Reiki. That is how I came to Reiki - my Reiki Master attended a Ki seminar, and she was having trouble with an exercise. I asked her to try to do "whatever you do when you give Reiki", and bingo, she did the exercise. The "Ki" state for Aikido and Reiki seem to me compatible, in that the practice exercises can be done using either model. The intent of the application - of course - differs. But there is probably a reason that the "Ki" word is used for both. Is there "more" that Reiki attunements give that the traditional Qi learning (do this exercise a million times...) or the Aikido Ki training does not give? Since I have trained in a bunch of systems, I am "tainted", so useless as a test subject. Most people I have met who only have trained in one contend that they are quite different (theirs invariably better than the rest); the few I have met who have "cross-trained" say that the energy that they use is the same in all cases, just the application is different. So.... what is with the attunements? How is drawing symbols and blowing over someone's head for a couple of minutes supposed to give them the equivalent of 20 years of Qigong or Aikido? (Asked by an Aikido teacher... I had no answer.) Anyway, I would love to get any insight that is floating about. (Or just lying there for that matter.) Warm best to all, Peterz www.onreiki.com "Gabriel" wrote in message news:bbnp8p$1rd$03$1@news.t-online.com... > Hi Cyrek, > > each person sees this in a slightly different way of course. > > I think your question has to be answered in two ways. > > 1.) Yes, anyone can be attuned to anything. One asks for the blessing of the > particular powers that be. And the blessing if asked and given in a proper > way will result in much heart-light. :-) > > 2.) No, you can't be attuned to anything by a person. We do not wield the > attunements like esoteric hammer and nails. The person does not choose the > ray, but the Ray chooses the person. And you don't get much say in it, if a > ray decides it's time for you to wake up. > > Normally you cannot be attuned to something and then expect to "have" it. > Everything needs practice. If you want to paint, you must learn the > techniques. If you want to do Reiki, you must learn what to do and what not > to do. You can be a good painter and you can be a good reiki practitioner. > You can also be in your own way... > > A painter who spills paint all over the floor is a much a nuisance as a > Reiki Practioner with wonderfully cleaned channels who doesn't know how to > practice this without driving the client up a wall. > > So teaching is as important as attuning. > > In a way, Reiki isn't really an attunement to a ray, but rather a blessing, > a prayer, an official act and above all a clearing away of emotional, an > etherical debris, to enable you to be beneficial for others, providing you > work with yourself as well. This working with yourself can mean many things > and is a subject of its own. > > Reiki as such is the life energy present in the most minute thing, it is > that without which nothing would exist. This is the way it was defined in > China using the calligrapgic symbols that we use today about 3000 odd years > ago. The word wasn't "Rei-Ki" then. I would have to ask a chinese scholar, > what the mandarin word would be. > > For us today, Reiki is also a method as designed by Usui to use this force > in a beneficial way, without having to learn a lot of complicated techniques > first. > > Reiki is also a way of life, or better, an attitude to approach life in a > very worthwhile way. This is the way Usui defined Reiki-Method in the > Principles using a poemof the Meiji Emperor. > > Many esoteric connections talk of Rays and such, where is ray is attributed > to certain aspects of divine effulgence. Often one uses the name of an > Archangelic Being, an Risen Master or simply a colour. > > Sometimes there are outward ceremonies to make it a "that's that" fact, when > someone connects to that particular road. For Reiki such a ceremony would > for instance be a Goma/Fire ceremony. There are other possibilities too. > That would be a "Reiki Ray" of sorts. > > -- > ______________________________________________ > "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad." > > ###### Message-ID: <3EDF96AA.CB140988@ch.inter.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:14:51 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.41.85 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.41.85 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054840459 213.3.41.85 (5 Jun 2003 21:14:19 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 12 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6889 The energy is one and human stubborness continue to see it coming from different sources Theo Peterz wrote: -- Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Attunements Lines: 81 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2tPDa.35022$xd5.1616136@stones.force9.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:38:20 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones.force9.net 1054852030 212.56.115.1 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:27:10 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:27:10 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!landlord!stones.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6951 Nice post Gabriel. Lots to think about in there! Much more 'on the plot' than your Namaste post! ;-) "Gabriel" wrote in message news:bbnp8p$1rd$03$1@news.t-online.com... > Hi Cyrek, > > each person sees this in a slightly different way of course. > > I think your question has to be answered in two ways. > > 1.) Yes, anyone can be attuned to anything. One asks for the blessing of the > particular powers that be. And the blessing if asked and given in a proper > way will result in much heart-light. :-) > > 2.) No, you can't be attuned to anything by a person. We do not wield the > attunements like esoteric hammer and nails. The person does not choose the > ray, but the Ray chooses the person. And you don't get much say in it, if a > ray decides it's time for you to wake up. > > Normally you cannot be attuned to something and then expect to "have" it. > Everything needs practice. If you want to paint, you must learn the > techniques. If you want to do Reiki, you must learn what to do and what not > to do. You can be a good painter and you can be a good reiki practitioner. > You can also be in your own way... > > A painter who spills paint all over the floor is a much a nuisance as a > Reiki Practioner with wonderfully cleaned channels who doesn't know how to > practice this without driving the client up a wall. > > So teaching is as important as attuning. > > In a way, Reiki isn't really an attunement to a ray, but rather a blessing, > a prayer, an official act and above all a clearing away of emotional, an > etherical debris, to enable you to be beneficial for others, providing you > work with yourself as well. This working with yourself can mean many things > and is a subject of its own. > > Reiki as such is the life energy present in the most minute thing, it is > that without which nothing would exist. This is the way it was defined in > China using the calligrapgic symbols that we use today about 3000 odd years > ago. The word wasn't "Rei-Ki" then. I would have to ask a chinese scholar, > what the mandarin word would be. > > For us today, Reiki is also a method as designed by Usui to use this force > in a beneficial way, without having to learn a lot of complicated techniques > first. > > Reiki is also a way of life, or better, an attitude to approach life in a > very worthwhile way. This is the way Usui defined Reiki-Method in the > Principles using a poemof the Meiji Emperor. > > Many esoteric connections talk of Rays and such, where is ray is attributed > to certain aspects of divine effulgence. Often one uses the name of an > Archangelic Being, an Risen Master or simply a colour. > > Sometimes there are outward ceremonies to make it a "that's that" fact, when > someone connects to that particular road. For Reiki such a ceremony would > for instance be a Goma/Fire ceremony. There are other possibilities too. > That would be a "Reiki Ray" of sorts. > > -- > ______________________________________________ > "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad." > > ###### Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Attunements Lines: 44 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:49:19 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones.force9.net 1054852688 212.56.115.1 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:38:08 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:38:08 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!zen.net.uk!landlord!stones.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6952 > > If a person can be attuned to the Reiki ray or current of energy, can a > person be attuned to other, unknown currents or rays? Say, elemental rays, > creativity rays, etc.? Yes. The lady whot does Reiki on me is mind numbingly impressive (in a clear channel sort of way)- but chastises me as she has moved on from Reiki to her 'new' ray, which is a ray of consiousness becoming available to mankind. I wouldn't mind, but as just about the only 'clear channel' I have ever met, I have to take her seriously! (Which I would love to not do- see "Nutty Lady" postings!). Your question is very relevant, as I am always harking on about 'what is Reiki'- as I really don't think I know (after all this time!). And I think that on this group we manage to disagree on quite a lot considering! I get the impression now that it would be good to be 'attuned' to pure(est!) Reiki, and then afterwords specialise - where lead- to Rays/ colours/ divinities/ arch-angels etc. Good greif, a year ago I would have had myself locked up in the looney bin for even writing that! Namaste*, Jon (Computer Scientist!) *- I write Namaste here to reflect its crudest translation in "I respect the devine in you", as I think it is a sweet comment understood by all of us. The socio-political implications of this greeting when transposed from a Indo cultural context to a Japeanese cultural concept don't interest me really in the slightest- and are about as relevant as calling the jeans on the majority of our buts "Nimes" as they come from "Jean du Nimes" and a socio political conversation on the origin of blue strides. A pair of jeans is a pair of jeans by any onther name- and showing respect to the divine spark in all of us knows no cultural boundaries. ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:56:01 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3edfc953.48342957@news.netidea.com> References: <3EDFAE5F.8020203@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-148.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6928 On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:55:58 GMT, skygreen wrote: > >I use frequency as my generic term but yes you can be attuned to almost >any of an almost infinite array of energy frequencies there are many >different systems which do attunement for elemental frequencies and >there are creativity energies in Huna, Drisana and a number of other >formal systems .Sometimes it seems like I can call in and run almost >anything as an energy frequency and I know many others who also can do >this. >I teach a Crystal Deva energy system and a Companion Angel Empowerment >system which include attunements to a variety of frequencies and functions > >Peggy Jentoft > Peggy Jentoft, Welcome back! I've referred to your posts and wisdom a number of times on this board -- also in private e-mails with different people. You may or may not remember me. I came here about three years ago, around the time that I broke my leg in a forest accident -- and then got attuned, gratefully and eventfully. I posted under the name Joel, but stopped doing so a while back when a troll came on this board, after which he (or they -- sometimes claimed to be a *group* of students) posted many, many times.... using the name Joel (plus last name). Long story, and you may not remember *me* anyway. But glad to see your post! :-) montane ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3edfd11e.1319401@news.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 34 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:27:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.129.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054855630 165.247.129.42 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:27:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:27:10 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6947 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >So.... what is with the attunements? How is drawing symbols and blowing over >someone's head for a couple of minutes supposed to give them the equivalent >of 20 years of Qigong or Aikido? (Asked by an Aikido teacher... I had no >answer.) Whuff! Peter, since I'm probably one of the most junior in this group, experience-wise, you may wish to take this with a *huge* rock of salt, but it seems obvious to me that since all attunements work, it's not the blowing or the symbol drawing or any other ritualistic element that makes it work. Intent seems to be the main ingredient, that of both the attuner and the attunee, with that of the attunee probably being the only one that really matters. :-) That, and the fact that we are sort of daisy-chained back, student to teacher, all the way back to Usui, who, I'm guessing, was spreading around some of his hard-earned merit with this reiju/attunement stuff. Of course, even all that may be irrelevant--maybe we're all just born this way, but only some of us are foolish enough to realize it. And having some "Reiki Master" doing something formal, so that we can blame it on them instead of ourselves, somehow makes it easier to believe in ourselves. IE, if you can believe one impossible thing before breakfast, the rest of the day will be a snap! YMMV Love and Light, Garry ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:21:31 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-844.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6936 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >Hi Gabriel > >I have often wondered about the attunements. > >My 13-yr-old daughter, who had a couple of years of Ki training, used to >give me "Reiki" when she thought that I needed it *before she got her >attunement*. She was - to me - actually doing it. The relaxation response >and "hot hands" were almost immediate. She was using the Ki training that >she had previously from Aikido. > > >Is there "more" that Reiki attunements give that the traditional Qi learning >(do this exercise a million times...) or the Aikido Ki training does not >give? Since I have trained in a bunch of systems, I am "tainted", so useless >as a test subject. Most people I have met who only have trained in one >contend that they are quite different (theirs invariably better than the >rest); the few I have met who have "cross-trained" say that the energy that >they use is the same in all cases, just the application is different. > There is always much to consider in this fascinating conundrum! It is interesting that in their books on Reiki, both Diane Stein and Hiroshi Doi express a watershed point between their *earlier* hand or energy healing experience and what they felt after their first Reiki attunement. And Doi had experience with (I counted, from his personal story in his book, one time) *several* kinds of qi gong, several kinds of traditional and new-age healing, and several kinds of meditation -- it added up to something like a dozen other methods or paths that he had previously explored. For myself, I had previously received diksha (vedantic yoga intitations) three times prior to my first Reiki attunement, and had done the meditation practices associated with these intitiations for a lot of years. Reiki attunement and "Reiki energy" was *different*. Of course, they (the attunements and the yoga-meditation practice) were not actually intended to result in precisely the same thing, either. Both are supposed to be involved with the fundamentals of life, but each path describes its aims and outcomes somewhat differently. I offer the above for what it may be worth................... montane ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:21:10 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:15:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-NjhFG1+mpkGTG5krtEhh1kBBiQZvM6S16mOigALwkqxbbctm50u+tNOTWwKZJU3rNBddtlomLB0OMaB!gk+rCeCe244O+Vt8tOtl9xyHsh2VvwBzr3Pwyrc+lxoHEKCp1flxQ+P6RkIS0Rp7Z9S/tM4J7rko X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6944 Hi all (Thought that would start something. ) I agree that what I am doing now is different from what it was a year ago (subjective sensation of Ki), and very different from 6 years ago. However, I have moved along the path in that time through various Taiji, Qigong,..., and it could be that the "Ki" in Reiki is different, or just that I have developed since those other activities and it would be different no matter what I was doing at this time. (Hope that makes sense... point is that I cannot compare to time ago *and* other activity because the Ki subjective experience would be changing over time even if it were the same activity. It has changed over the last few months just with Reiki, no new attunements, no new symbols, systems, or anything - just lots of practice.) So, the follow-up: If the attunement gives us access to the Universal Energy, then one attunement should do the trick. My ability to channel can be improved (and perhaps that is what is happening), but once I can plug into "the source", then all the work is on how to best channel the energy. (You now have access to the infinite. Go do something useful with it.) If that is the case, then what are all the extra attunements and systems for? Have a Zen day, Peterz www.onreiki.com "montane" wrote in message news:3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com... > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >Hi Gabriel > > > >I have often wondered about the attunements. > > > >My 13-yr-old daughter, who had a couple of years of Ki training, used to > >give me "Reiki" when she thought that I needed it *before she got her > >attunement*. She was - to me - actually doing it. The relaxation response > >and "hot hands" were almost immediate. She was using the Ki training that > >she had previously from Aikido. > > > > > > >Is there "more" that Reiki attunements give that the traditional Qi learning > >(do this exercise a million times...) or the Aikido Ki training does not > >give? Since I have trained in a bunch of systems, I am "tainted", so useless > >as a test subject. Most people I have met who only have trained in one > >contend that they are quite different (theirs invariably better than the > >rest); the few I have met who have "cross-trained" say that the energy that > >they use is the same in all cases, just the application is different. > > > There is always much to consider in this fascinating conundrum! > > It is interesting that in their books on Reiki, both Diane Stein and Hiroshi > Doi express a watershed point between their *earlier* hand or energy healing > experience and what they felt after their first Reiki attunement. And Doi > had experience with (I counted, from his personal story in his book, one > time) *several* kinds of qi gong, several kinds of traditional and new-age > healing, and several kinds of meditation -- it added up to something like a > dozen other methods or paths that he had previously explored. > > For myself, I had previously received diksha (vedantic yoga intitations) > three times prior to my first Reiki attunement, and had done the meditation > practices associated with these intitiations for a lot of years. Reiki > attunement and "Reiki energy" was *different*. Of course, they (the > attunements and the yoga-meditation practice) were not actually intended to > result in precisely the same thing, either. Both are supposed to be involved > with the fundamentals of life, but each path describes its aims and outcomes > somewhat differently. > > I offer the above for what it may be worth................... > > montane ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3edfd11e.1319401@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Attunements Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:18:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.182.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1054862296 162.84.182.221 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:18:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:18:16 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6958 "YMMV" Your Milage May Vary? "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3edfd11e.1319401@news.earthlink.net... > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >So.... what is with the attunements? How is drawing symbols and blowing over > >someone's head for a couple of minutes supposed to give them the equivalent > >of 20 years of Qigong or Aikido? (Asked by an Aikido teacher... I had no > >answer.) > > Whuff! > > > Peter, since I'm probably one of the most junior in this group, > experience-wise, you may wish to take this with a *huge* rock of salt, > but it seems obvious to me that since all attunements work, it's not > the blowing or the symbol drawing or any other ritualistic element > that makes it work. Intent seems to be the main ingredient, that of > both the attuner and the attunee, with that of the attunee probably > being the only one that really matters. :-) That, and the fact that > we are sort of daisy-chained back, student to teacher, all the way > back to Usui, who, I'm guessing, was spreading around some of his > hard-earned merit with this reiju/attunement stuff. Of course, even > all that may be irrelevant--maybe we're all just born this way, but > only some of us are foolish enough to realize it. And having some > "Reiki Master" doing something formal, so that we can blame it on them > instead of ourselves, somehow makes it easier to believe in ourselves. > IE, if you can believe one impossible thing before breakfast, the rest > of the day will be a snap! > > YMMV > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3edff15e.638602@news.earthlink.net> References: <3edfd11e.1319401@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:35:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.134.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054863340 165.247.134.77 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:35:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:35:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6945 On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:18:16 GMT, "gingerobyn" wrote: >"YMMV" Your Milage May Vary? Bingo! ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:38:53 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3edfeda3.52879241@news.netidea.com> References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-904.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!borium.box.nl!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6938 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:15:19 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >Hi all > >(Thought that would start something. ) > >I agree that what I am doing now is different from what it was a year ago >(subjective sensation of Ki), and very different from 6 years ago. However, >I have moved along the path in that time through various Taiji, Qigong,..., >and it could be that the "Ki" in Reiki is different, or just that I have >developed since those other activities and it would be different no matter >what I was doing at this time. >(Hope that makes sense... point is that I cannot compare to time ago *and* >other activity because the Ki subjective experience would be changing over >time even if it were the same activity. It has changed over the last few >months just with Reiki, no new attunements, no new symbols, systems, or >anything - just lots of practice.) > I can relate to what you are saying, even though far more of my experience comes from sitting-meditation practice, and not dynamic-energy qi gong types of practice. In Asian-style meditation (whether from India, Tibet, China, or other places), there is often an emphasis on consciousness-in-itself -- consciousness devoid of thoughts, sensations, or mental pictures. Various terms for this "silence" are used, among them chit, and samadhi. One of my yoga teachers (a man from India) said that over time, "the quality of silence changes." I have found this to be true, and I believe that it parallels what you are talking about, Peter, with changes in ki. In fact it may be the mental-subjective aspect of ki that one experiences in meditation, though there are certainly those teachers who will tell you that true consciousness is when you have subjectively transcended even an experience of ki or prana. That there is a connection between consciousness (as experienced in and through meditation) and vital energy (qi, chi, prana, elan vital, orgone, whatever) I have no doubt. Fully experiencing the relationship is the work of a lifetime. This has been said by many masters (and I emphatically do not view myself as among their number). But on the basis of my own experience, I do feel this is true. The theoretical side of all this is interesting, and it is fun to talk about it among ourselves here. But there is great difference between the theory and practice, or rather between the theory and a soul's ability to make use of this reality in an earthly life, in everyday life. The potential is unlimited, and we AHR folks are in the early stages of experiencing that. montane ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3edff226.838447@news.earthlink.net> References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:40:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.134.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054863640 165.247.134.77 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:40:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:40:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6940 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:15:19 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > If >that is the case, then what are all the extra attunements and systems for? Some people have trouble believing a whole impossible thing before breakfast, so they have to break it up into smaller pieces. :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### Message-ID: <3EE06698.B329FE80@bluewin.ch> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:02:01 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements References: <3EDF96AA.CB140988@ch.inter.net> <3EDFB9EE.7040001@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054893245 213.3.93.141 (6 Jun 2003 11:54:05 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 25 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6917 skygreen wrote: > Theo wrote: > > The energy is one and human stubborness continue to see it coming from > > different sources > > Theo > > > > Peterz wrote: > > > > -- > > Think like an Alien and visit your own Planet > > Theo > > http://www.byjoke.com/ > > > > > > one universal energie but many manfestations and ways of working with it Hi i do not think as * many manifestion* just different ways of using it .. Theo ###### Message-ID: <3EE06988.969FA31@bluewin.ch> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:14:33 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054893998 213.3.93.141 (6 Jun 2003 12:06:38 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 98 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6911 Peterz wrote: > Hi all > > (Thought that would start something. ) > > > > So, the follow-up: If the attunement gives us access to the Universal > Energy, then one attunement should do the trick. My ability to channel can > be improved (and perhaps that is what is happening), but once I can plug > into "the source", then all the work is on how to best channel the energy. > (You now have access to the infinite. Go do something useful with it.) If > that is the case, then what are all the extra attunements and systems for? Exactly ? I guess that the person still find to get into something more powerful.. so in the fact one does not trust what has learned I had that image of a person with a gun: with 1 gun he is a powerful person if he gets 3 guns 3 grenades and a gun machine is VERY powerful.. but just can use one at the time and the weight of the others might unpeach of using just one properly ,hence yes he is more powerful but in fact is less keen and operational .. Thanks for the Zen I am Zen Zen and Reiki To you too Theo > > > Have a Zen day, > Peterz > www.onreiki.com > > "montane" wrote in message > news:3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com... > > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:39 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > > > >Hi Gabriel > > > > > >I have often wondered about the attunements. > > > > > >My 13-yr-old daughter, who had a couple of years of Ki training, used to > > >give me "Reiki" when she thought that I needed it *before she got her > > >attunement*. She was - to me - actually doing it. The relaxation response > > >and "hot hands" were almost immediate. She was using the Ki training that > > >she had previously from Aikido. > > > > > > > > > > >Is there "more" that Reiki attunements give that the traditional Qi > learning > > >(do this exercise a million times...) or the Aikido Ki training does not > > >give? Since I have trained in a bunch of systems, I am "tainted", so > useless > > >as a test subject. Most people I have met who only have trained in one > > >contend that they are quite different (theirs invariably better than the > > >rest); the few I have met who have "cross-trained" say that the energy > that > > >they use is the same in all cases, just the application is different. > > > > > There is always much to consider in this fascinating conundrum! > > > > It is interesting that in their books on Reiki, both Diane Stein and > Hiroshi > > Doi express a watershed point between their *earlier* hand or energy > healing > > experience and what they felt after their first Reiki attunement. And Doi > > had experience with (I counted, from his personal story in his book, one > > time) *several* kinds of qi gong, several kinds of traditional and new-age > > healing, and several kinds of meditation -- it added up to something like > a > > dozen other methods or paths that he had previously explored. > > > > For myself, I had previously received diksha (vedantic yoga intitations) > > three times prior to my first Reiki attunement, and had done the > meditation > > practices associated with these intitiations for a lot of years. Reiki > > attunement and "Reiki energy" was *different*. Of course, they (the > > attunements and the yoga-meditation practice) were not actually intended > to > > result in precisely the same thing, either. Both are supposed to be > involved > > with the fundamentals of life, but each path describes its aims and > outcomes > > somewhat differently. > > > > I offer the above for what it may be worth................... > > > > montane ###### Message-ID: <3EE06ADA.D748A2E2@bluewin.ch> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:20:10 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> <3edff226.838447@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054894335 213.3.93.141 (6 Jun 2003 12:12:15 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 25 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6920 HI Garry how are you? we have become all very serious lately and VIP's come in and now there is a lot of discussions and voices are rising ..and still the same confusion on opinions well add the number of partecipants will rise the number or discussions:-) and still = 0 solutions( malicious :-) I am happy and you ? Namaste Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:15:19 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > > If > >that is the case, then what are all the extra attunements and systems for? > > Some people have trouble believing a whole impossible thing before > breakfast, so they have to break it up into smaller pieces. :-) > > Love and Light, > > Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ee07606.4664225@news.earthlink.net> References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> <3edff226.838447@news.earthlink.net> <3EE06ADA.D748A2E2@bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:08:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054897694 165.247.136.3 (Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:08:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:08:14 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6935 Hi, Theo! On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:20:10 +0200, Theo wrote: >HI Garry > how are you? we have become all very serious lately and VIP's >come in and now there is a lot of discussions and voices are rising ..and >still the same confusion on opinions > well add the number of partecipants will rise the number or discussions:-) >and still = 0 solutions( malicious :-) LOL Keen observation! But I don't think one should expect to find the big answers to the big questions in a Usenet discussion, although one *should* expect to find a wealth of opinions. Sharing them broadens our horizons, I think. :-) > I am happy and you ? Happy as a lark, thanks! Lots of good discussion going on! Love and Light, Garry ###### Message-ID: <3EE07B7F.FD4B0B3@bluewin.ch> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:31:11 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Attunements References: <3edfdbf2.50475515@news.netidea.com> <3edff226.838447@news.earthlink.net> <3EE06ADA.D748A2E2@bluewin.ch> <3ee07606.4664225@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.93.141 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054898596 213.3.93.141 (6 Jun 2003 13:23:16 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 26 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6913 Gidday Garry Nadie Niemand wrote: > LOL Keen observation! But I don't think one should expect to find the > big answers to the big questions in a Usenet discussion, although one > *should* expect to find a wealth of opinions. Sharing them broadens > our horizons, I think. :-) exactly ...truth is beyond ..this world > Happy as a lark, thanks! Lots of good discussion going on! lark? beware hunter's mirrors... yeah a lot of discussion in the navy and a lot of *deja' lu* Q&A (already read ) TGIF Namaste Theo > > > Love and Light, > > Garry