From: Brian Link Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:02:06 -0500 Organization: Discant Systems LLC Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2003 22:02:14 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: 9cba5e92.newsreader.visi.com X-Trace: DXC=<@\]4]ELmH]lS:HG__WE=UOG;lf4n<5gZhD3OXm`l_bX?Qg]Kk8OmV_dW\Ih;P]7ZSRa]`bVbIkb^ X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!petbe.visi.com!phobos.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-1.mpls.visi.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6824 I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like voodoo. Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational level. Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a non-practitioner. Thanks for any info. BLink Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? 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Other resources may be found through: www.skeptic.com www.cfiwest.org Please visit alt.healing.reiki for regular and objective yet supportive discussions on Reiki. Why are you interested in Reiki? -- Steven Buck, CMT (former Twin Cities, Minnesota resident 1967-1985). "Brian Link" wrote in message news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > voodoo. > > Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > level. > > Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > non-practitioner. > > Thanks for any info. > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### Message-ID: <3ED9BABA.CE2CAB9E@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:35:06 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054456495 62.203.115.54 (1 Jun 2003 10:34:55 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 61 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6608 Hi Steve I was at a dinner with my uncle 78 and a friend 84 they are a long date friends My uncle is a Professor in Pediatry his wife is genetician the other doctor is a generalist specialized in Homepatic He cured himself from a bone cancer 10 years ago and he is still alive he was a very keen person in his field Well my uncle is against homeopatic as he says is bullshit no way to make his mind change though he has a superior degree of studies and is quite clever.. You cannot change opinions of people that VOLUNTARELY do not accept that might exist others possibilities .. a waste of time and energy have a bright day Theo "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > If you want comments from a non-practitioner, please visit > www.quackwatch.com and enter a search keyword of "reiki." > > Other resources may be found through: > www.skeptic.com > www.cfiwest.org > > Please visit alt.healing.reiki for regular and objective yet supportive > discussions on Reiki. > > Why are you interested in Reiki? > > -- > Steven Buck, CMT > (former Twin Cities, Minnesota resident 1967-1985). > > "Brian Link" wrote in message > news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > > I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > > voodoo. > > > > Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > > like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > > Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > > level. > > > > Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > > somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > > nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > > non-practitioner. > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > BLink > > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:35:11 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:33:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-91GfHaiGYJ8Vvu+nDKV63WQ7f/di63Z91bgJoubf7RRixw0V2Jp0keCll+GPEksLBPxA6GMb68KLX4r!tNaBcSX2v/YMrlN6vXbzvz8iJKu9CTm2TXFdFNDA7Q/UB/FBeB3iFEkRoTj1Wets6rRKw5IuVIeV X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6686 Brian: If you are looking for information on effectiveness or speculation on how it works, you could try some of the links from my site (www.onreiki.com ). I collect articles and objective research (e.g., western double-blind studies at hospitals...) on Reiki. If you are looking to be convinced, I am with Theo. At some point, you either accept it or not. Warm best, Peterz www.onreiki.com ***If you tell a man that there are 10 billion stars he will believe you. If you tell him that the paint is wet, he will feel compelled to touch it to see... *** "Brian Link" wrote in message news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > voodoo. > > Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > level. > > Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > non-practitioner. > > Thanks for any info. > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Lines: 59 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.123.206.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.com 1054482661 ST000 66.123.206.29 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:51:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:51:01 EDT X-UserInfo1: O@YCR^_EFRWSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BD]\YIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:51:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6803 Hi Peter. Right off hand do you know of any of your resource links that discuss variations in the body's electrical energy before and after a Reiki treatment/attunement? (apologies, I haven't had time to research this myself so I'm only looking for an immediate and basic reponse here). -- Steven Buck, CMT "Peterz" wrote in message news:yuidnVcB84G9kkejXTWcpg@magma.ca... > Brian: > > If you are looking for information on effectiveness or speculation on how it > works, you could try some of the links from my site (www.onreiki.com ). I > collect articles and objective research (e.g., western double-blind studies > at hospitals...) on Reiki. > > If you are looking to be convinced, I am with Theo. At some point, you > either accept it or not. > > > Warm best, > > Peterz > www.onreiki.com > > ***If you tell a man that there are 10 billion stars he will believe you. If > you tell him that the paint is wet, he will feel compelled to touch it to > see... *** > > > "Brian Link" wrote in message > news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > > I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > > voodoo. > > > > Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > > like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > > Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > > level. > > > > Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > > somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > > nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > > non-practitioner. > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > BLink > > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota > > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:14:51 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:12:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 82 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-luwv9NDesyUaIjiU4PzTmKDu16EH7sjGvw9dUIm50Z7Wuw3nfWj1YSN/2+RD5sR+i6nW6kClouEyubM!4d+qCxtjzmtv6J8as4Mps/O37CEl3Jctzkfdf05s3bWt/b/Wu9VYxyJPqnLqn7C9Zafbw6/Ixa8F X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6704 OK - the physics approach. Try http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Healing/bunnell.htm for an overview and some speculation. Also, there is an interview of James L Oschman by W.L.Rand that you can look at http://www.spiritualone.com/Download/OschmanReprint2.pdf . These are only starting-points. Best to all... Peterz www.onreiki.com "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:FhpCa.413$942.237@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com... > Hi Peter. > > Right off hand do you know of any of your resource links that discuss > variations in the body's electrical energy before and after a Reiki > treatment/attunement? (apologies, I haven't had time to research this > myself so I'm only looking for an immediate and basic reponse here). > > -- > Steven Buck, CMT > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:yuidnVcB84G9kkejXTWcpg@magma.ca... > > Brian: > > > > If you are looking for information on effectiveness or speculation on how > it > > works, you could try some of the links from my site (www.onreiki.com ). I > > collect articles and objective research (e.g., western double-blind > studies > > at hospitals...) on Reiki. > > > > If you are looking to be convinced, I am with Theo. At some point, you > > either accept it or not. > > > > > > Warm best, > > > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com > > > > ***If you tell a man that there are 10 billion stars he will believe you. > If > > you tell him that the paint is wet, he will feel compelled to touch it to > > see... *** > > > > > > "Brian Link" wrote in message > > news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > > > I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > > > voodoo. > > > > > > Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > > > like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > > > Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > > > level. > > > > > > Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > > > somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > > > nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > > > non-practitioner. > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > BLink > > > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > > > ###### From: Brian Link Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:58:27 -0500 Organization: Discant Systems LLC Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Jun 2003 20:58:25 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: d9dbcf05.newsreader.visi.com X-Trace: DXC=`7g[;_@GYDK=5M5FIgRoNKOG;lf4n<5gJhD3OXm`l_bHX3kjM1ak8NJdW\Ih;P]7ZCS\\U^gEh5YG X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!phobos.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-1.mpls.visi.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6847 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:33:24 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >Brian: > >If you are looking for information on effectiveness or speculation on how it >works, you could try some of the links from my site (www.onreiki.com ). I >collect articles and objective research (e.g., western double-blind studies >at hospitals...) on Reiki. > >If you are looking to be convinced, I am with Theo. At some point, you >either accept it or not. > > >Warm best, > >Peterz >www.onreiki.com > >***If you tell a man that there are 10 billion stars he will believe you. If >you tell him that the paint is wet, he will feel compelled to touch it to >see... *** > > >"Brian Link" wrote in message >news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... >> I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like >> voodoo. >> >> Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed >> like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) >> Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational >> level. >> >> Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed >> somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be >> nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a >> non-practitioner. >> >> Thanks for any info. >> >> BLink >> Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota Thanks Peterz. No, I don't expect to be convinced by reading something. As I said, I've read convincing debunks of various praxes that I've nonetheless personally experienced as useful. Just trying to get some wide background so I can add Reiki to my "to be investigated" file. My son has a serious medical condition (not life-threatening) for which the MDs have recommended a risky surgery, with no guarantee of success, as their only option. In fact, I'm finding plenty of options that have possibilities, mixed in amongst the snake oil. For this condition, it seems that individual successes vary widely, and therefore I'm trying to tailor a treatment regimen for my son based on my understanding of his condition and the available options. The bodywork therapist that I most admire, whom I trust greatly, is also a reiki practitioner. So I have a bias toward accepting it as useful. Nonetheless, I wanted to get an honest, objective feel for the technique before I follow up on it - I don't want to overwhelm my son or myself.. Thanks for the reply. BLink Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? 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I'm sorry to hear of the reasons for which you are researching Reiki. May I ask how old is your son and what is the medical condition he has? -- Steven Buck, CMT "Brian Link" wrote in message news:jdbldvkuocp46pd9jbb7guo831ianbeard@4ax.com... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:33:24 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >Brian: > > > >If you are looking for information on effectiveness or speculation on how it > >works, you could try some of the links from my site (www.onreiki.com ). I > >collect articles and objective research (e.g., western double-blind studies > >at hospitals...) on Reiki. > > > >If you are looking to be convinced, I am with Theo. At some point, you > >either accept it or not. > > > > > >Warm best, > > > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com > > > >***If you tell a man that there are 10 billion stars he will believe you. If > >you tell him that the paint is wet, he will feel compelled to touch it to > >see... *** > > > > > >"Brian Link" wrote in message > >news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > >> I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > >> voodoo. > >> > >> Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > >> like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > >> Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > >> level. > >> > >> Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > >> somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > >> nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > >> non-practitioner. > >> > >> Thanks for any info. > >> > >> BLink > >> Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota > > Thanks Peterz. No, I don't expect to be convinced by reading > something. As I said, I've read convincing debunks of various praxes > that I've nonetheless personally experienced as useful. > > Just trying to get some wide background so I can add Reiki to my "to > be investigated" file. My son has a serious medical condition (not > life-threatening) for which the MDs have recommended a risky surgery, > with no guarantee of success, as their only option. > > In fact, I'm finding plenty of options that have possibilities, mixed > in amongst the snake oil. For this condition, it seems that individual > successes vary widely, and therefore I'm trying to tailor a treatment > regimen for my son based on my understanding of his condition and the > available options. > > The bodywork therapist that I most admire, whom I trust greatly, is > also a reiki practitioner. So I have a bias toward accepting it as > useful. Nonetheless, I wanted to get an honest, objective feel for the > technique before I follow up on it - I don't want to overwhelm my son > or myself.. > > Thanks for the reply. > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### Message-ID: <3EDAF0A9.C5800C0C@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:37:29 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.46.199 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.46.199 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054535834 213.3.46.199 (2 Jun 2003 08:37:14 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 41 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6829 HI I do not know which sort of problem your son is facing.. there are often different techniques in different fields that "might" work I say might , as what works with a person sometimes does not work with another one to cure the same ailment .. so you do not have to discourage nor reject the whole branch but switch and try different solutions until you will run in the one suitable to your son.. I am talking in this case about Homepathic for personal experience and I apply this judgement to all sort of "medecine " herbalist, energy , acupuncture or classic medecine Good luck for your son and some Reiki if you accept it for Him Theo Brian Link wrote: -snip- > > > In fact, I'm finding plenty of options that have possibilities, mixed > in amongst the snake oil. For this condition, it seems that individual > successes vary widely, and therefore I'm trying to tailor a treatment > regimen for my son based on my understanding of his condition and the > available options. > > The bodywork therapist that I most admire, whom I trust greatly, is > also a reiki practitioner. So I have a bias toward accepting it as > useful. Nonetheless, I wanted to get an honest, objective feel for the > technique before I follow up on it - I don't want to overwhelm my son > or myself.. > > Thanks for the reply. > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:18:33 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:16:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-yFrAMU0h8uKD5jnUKfjNe/zQrD6omwjqgwAtJLBs/5uh0uTZsfwhCZdCUouCOxJPUZ/oFdA1QNKI7UQ!b8ViZMXAKXzwIf6NlYdYUkYMcVuHfAkUluerdzJDZf/49Xo4bozwMQKesbwWKj66Gyj4C/IKKThU X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6837 Hi Brian I am familiar with the research that I point to, so I would be happy to save you some trouble. If you let me know what your son's condition is (by email if you prefer), I could tell you whether I have seen any material relating to it and send you links. Warm best to you and your son, Peterz www.onreiki.com [snip] > > Just trying to get some wide background so I can add Reiki to my "to > be investigated" file. My son has a serious medical condition (not > life-threatening) for which the MDs have recommended a risky surgery, > with no guarantee of success, as their only option. > > In fact, I'm finding plenty of options that have possibilities, mixed > in amongst the snake oil. For this condition, it seems that individual > successes vary widely, and therefore I'm trying to tailor a treatment > regimen for my son based on my understanding of his condition and the > available options. > > The bodywork therapist that I most admire, whom I trust greatly, is > also a reiki practitioner. So I have a bias toward accepting it as > useful. Nonetheless, I wanted to get an honest, objective feel for the > technique before I follow up on it - I don't want to overwhelm my son > or myself.. > > Thanks for the reply. > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3edb5a6e.731899@news.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:03:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.129.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054562629 165.247.129.160 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:03:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:03:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!fi.sn.net!newsfeed2.fi.sn.net!newsfeed1!bredband!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6838 On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:53:41 -0400, "Joel M. Eichen" wrote: > >"Brian Link" wrote in message news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... >> I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like >> voodoo. > >Why would you say that? There aren't any little dolls are there? LOL Not required, but there can be! Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "dsb" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8CMCa.22625$DV.27527@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.218.69.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mchsi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1054578180 12.218.69.32 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:23:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:23:00 GMT Organization: MediaCom High Speed Internet Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:23:00 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6844 "Joel M. Eichen" wrote in message news:bbfhmh$8qn35$1@ID-166202.news.dfncis.de... > > variations in the body's electrical energy before and after a Reiki > > treatment/attunement? > > ****************** > > Then it could work in place of root canal, right? > > Well, in my case, anything would work better than a root canal. My face hurt for YEARS and nothing ever showed up on x-rays. Finally I could bear it no longer and I had several teeth extracted--against my dentist's financially-motivated advice. During the dental surgery several encased infection pockets were found. They were in the hollow above the teeth I had root canals years before. Apparently, tissue formed around the infections (the dental surgeon's words not mine) and made the messes invisible on x-rays. Hmmmm. With minimum pain medication (2 pills) I healed rapidly and owe my recovery to Reiki. I used hand placements on my face and adrenal glands. Several other friends also came over daily for a couple of days and also put their hot, little Reiki hands on me. Shalom, ukdena ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Lines: 101 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 03:00:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.143.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1054609258 162.84.143.158 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:00:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:00:58 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6862 Brian, I am sorry to hear of your son's illness and wish him well. I respect the approach that you are taking to research modalities to help him and I appreciate that you do not want to overwhelm your son or yourself. You have alot of choices to make I am sure. I don't have the type of information you are asking for, but would like to offer you some thoughts if you don't mind. You can secure in knowing that Reiki is non-intrusive and non-threatening. I think that a practitioner whom you trust and respect is as good a resource as any. I hope you find what you are looking for and would warn against any practitioner who claims an ability to cure or ability to predict the outcome of their services. If you choose to have your son to receive Reiki I would suggest you do so with an open mind and without any expectations for the outcome. It may not "heal" or "cure" the condition but it might offer him some comfort or relief while he undergoes other more recognized treatments. You may also want to first have a session yourself to experience the energy. If you feel comfortable with the experience and your son is old enough to understand, perhaps you can explain it to him and give him a choice as to whether or not he wants to try it. I wish you and your son well. Good Luck. Sincerely, Ginger Craig "Brian Link" wrote in message news:jdbldvkuocp46pd9jbb7guo831ianbeard@4ax.com... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:33:24 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >Brian: > > > >If you are looking for information on effectiveness or speculation on how it > >works, you could try some of the links from my site (www.onreiki.com ). I > >collect articles and objective research (e.g., western double-blind studies > >at hospitals...) on Reiki. > > > >If you are looking to be convinced, I am with Theo. At some point, you > >either accept it or not. > > > > > >Warm best, > > > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com > > > >***If you tell a man that there are 10 billion stars he will believe you. If > >you tell him that the paint is wet, he will feel compelled to touch it to > >see... *** > > > > > >"Brian Link" wrote in message > >news:isqidvk636tcq6qejvm6uonh7tk32ikstc@4ax.com... > >> I'm open minded, but from the outside Reiki looks a little like > >> voodoo. > >> > >> Nonetheless, I've been the beneficiary of a few therapies that seemed > >> like hocus-pocus until I discovered they were quite effective. =) > >> Reiki makes sense to me on an intuitive level, but not on a rational > >> level. > >> > >> Could someone recommend a nice objective discussion on reiki en-webbed > >> somewhere? I've read plenty of pages by practitioners, but it'd be > >> nice to find either some scientific commentary or comments from a > >> non-practitioner. > >> > >> Thanks for any info. > >> > >> BLink > >> Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota > > Thanks Peterz. No, I don't expect to be convinced by reading > something. As I said, I've read convincing debunks of various praxes > that I've nonetheless personally experienced as useful. > > Just trying to get some wide background so I can add Reiki to my "to > be investigated" file. My son has a serious medical condition (not > life-threatening) for which the MDs have recommended a risky surgery, > with no guarantee of success, as their only option. > > In fact, I'm finding plenty of options that have possibilities, mixed > in amongst the snake oil. For this condition, it seems that individual > successes vary widely, and therefore I'm trying to tailor a treatment > regimen for my son based on my understanding of his condition and the > available options. > > The bodywork therapist that I most admire, whom I trust greatly, is > also a reiki practitioner. So I have a bias toward accepting it as > useful. Nonetheless, I wanted to get an honest, objective feel for the > technique before I follow up on it - I don't want to overwhelm my son > or myself.. > > Thanks for the reply. > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### From: Brian Link Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:16:02 -0500 Organization: Discant Systems LLC Message-ID: <0aaodv0n6nb4446o62or85vv3ske35cfsr@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Date: 03 Jun 2003 00:16:38 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: 7d1cdb0e.newsreader.visi.com X-Trace: DXC=EalVhD3OXm`l_bX=CU8KkJV]JT9h=Be43TCfQm8RjZV2:l^\ X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!phobos.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-2.mpls.visi.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6864 On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:00:11 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: >Hello Brian. I'm sorry to hear of the reasons for which you are researching >Reiki. May I ask how old is your son and what is the medical condition he >has? He's 14, with a severe scoliotic S-curve (40/70). He's in no pain, and there is apparently no imminent danger of internal organ involvement. Cosmetically, it's difficult to even spot it. The orthopedist recommended a spinal fusion, hooks and rods compassing virtually his entire back. Everything I've seen suggests we'd get the same prescription from any allopathic (or even osteopathic) practitioner. With alternate therapies, I can discard things that don't work. Once his spine is one giant bone though, that's it, there's no going back. The surgery is painful, debilitating, and carries the risk of infection, paralysis, additional surgeries, early arthritis, and death. Even a successful surgery will freeze his back till he dies. What's more, there's a growing suspicion that except in life-threatening cases it's more dangerous than leaving things be. There are several things I'm investigating, which are motivated by the discoveries I've made (googling, and consulting trusted therapists of various stripes) about the possible causes and concurrent conditions that accompany scoliosis. For instance, this group of facts culled from different sources: 1. often low bone density accompanies spinal curvature. 2. Scoliotics are known to have magnesium deficits. 3. Calcium is found in higher than normal concentrations in scoliotics' muscle tissue. 4. There are herbalists who suggest formulating calcium supplements with magnesium, which vastly increases absorption. So out of this my hypothesis is that there's a metabolic inefficiency with calcium absorption - and we are therefore supplementing with a calcium-phosporous-zinc liquid supplement. More apropos reiki: Cranio-sacral therapists, chiropractors (Blair Method) and Alexander Technique teachers all point to the importance of the neck's alignment for proper spinal functioning. There seems to be a progression of sensation downward along the spine which causes dis-ease and some have even connected it directly to scoliosis. A twist starts in the neck and then (spinal fluid is blocked/nerve messages are blocked/compensating curves grow) the scoliosis follows. Intuitively, one could see the spine as a superhighway of energy (fluidic/neural/kinesthetic). It's then a short leap (again intuitivem not rational) that eddies and fluctuations in that energy might be discernible or malleable to an adept. So, to complement the more concrete therapies we're undertaking (Rolfing, Iyengar Yoga, Alexander Technique) perhaps an energy-balancing approach could be helpful. Not so much to 'cure' the scoliosis itself, but to energize the body to accept the changes which the manipulation and training are effecting. This is why I wanted more info on Reiki, a practice I've associated with either chi/chakra balancing or plain ol' faith healing. Sorry that this got so long-winded, but this whole situation is both terrifying for my family and fascinating to learn about and discuss. The overwhelming feeling one takes away is that it's a wonder anyone can stand up straight! Thanks for the links and information BLink Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### Message-ID: <3EDC430B.77F46CC3@ch.inter.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:41:16 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? References: <0aaodv0n6nb4446o62or85vv3ske35cfsr@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.120.198 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.120.198 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054622455 81.62.120.198 (3 Jun 2003 08:40:55 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6849 Brian Link wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:00:11 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > > >-SNIp_ > So, to complement the more concrete therapies we're undertaking > (Rolfing, Iyengar Yoga, Alexander Technique) Yoga is excellent but it takes time moreover your son is growing so he has to stabilize the changes that occur in his body The herbs solution is an excellent one you have to be lucky to run on the right person often surgeons are too quick to advice surgery It is a complex situation probably n due to his growth Teen age it might be that that provokes all this physical unbalance. you will find a solution , I have 2 (adults )kids and I know how one feels when they are ill! Friendly Theo > perhaps an > energy-balancing approach could be helpful. Not so much to 'cure' the > scoliosis itself, but to energize the body to accept the changes which > the manipulation and training are effecting. This is why I wanted more > info on Reiki, a practice I've associated with either chi/chakra > balancing or plain ol' faith healing. > > Sorry that this got so long-winded, but this whole situation is both > terrifying for my family and fascinating to learn about and discuss. > The overwhelming feeling one takes away is that it's a wonder anyone > can stand up straight! > > Thanks for the links and information > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:36:38 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <0aaodv0n6nb4446o62or85vv3ske35cfsr@4ax.com> Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? 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Starting there, I think you should be able to find out something about the effectiveness of various alternatives to the surgery. I could not find anything to link Reiki to magnesium levels. In your son's case, is it presumed that the scoliosis will progress? Otherwise, since there is no pain nor danger to the internal organs, it is hard to understand where you would go with treatments... Warm best to both of you, Peter "Brian Link" wrote in message news:0aaodv0n6nb4446o62or85vv3ske35cfsr@4ax.com... > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:00:11 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > > >Hello Brian. I'm sorry to hear of the reasons for which you are researching > >Reiki. May I ask how old is your son and what is the medical condition he > >has? > > He's 14, with a severe scoliotic S-curve (40/70). He's in no pain, and > there is apparently no imminent danger of internal organ involvement. > Cosmetically, it's difficult to even spot it. The orthopedist > recommended a spinal fusion, hooks and rods compassing virtually his > entire back. Everything I've seen suggests we'd get the same > prescription from any allopathic (or even osteopathic) practitioner. > > With alternate therapies, I can discard things that don't work. Once > his spine is one giant bone though, that's it, there's no going back. > > The surgery is painful, debilitating, and carries the risk of > infection, paralysis, additional surgeries, early arthritis, and > death. Even a successful surgery will freeze his back till he dies. > What's more, there's a growing suspicion that except in > life-threatening cases it's more dangerous than leaving things be. > > There are several things I'm investigating, which are motivated by the > discoveries I've made (googling, and consulting trusted therapists of > various stripes) about the possible causes and concurrent conditions > that accompany scoliosis. For instance, this group of facts culled > from different sources: > 1. often low bone density accompanies spinal curvature. > 2. Scoliotics are known to have magnesium deficits. > 3. Calcium is found in higher than normal concentrations in > scoliotics' muscle tissue. > 4. There are herbalists who suggest formulating calcium supplements > with magnesium, which vastly increases absorption. > > So out of this my hypothesis is that there's a metabolic inefficiency > with calcium absorption - and we are therefore supplementing with a > calcium-phosporous-zinc liquid supplement. > > More apropos reiki: Cranio-sacral therapists, chiropractors (Blair > Method) and Alexander Technique teachers all point to the importance > of the neck's alignment for proper spinal functioning. There seems to > be a progression of sensation downward along the spine which causes > dis-ease and some have even connected it directly to scoliosis. A > twist starts in the neck and then (spinal fluid is blocked/nerve > messages are blocked/compensating curves grow) the scoliosis follows. > > Intuitively, one could see the spine as a superhighway of energy > (fluidic/neural/kinesthetic). It's then a short leap (again intuitivem > not rational) that eddies and fluctuations in that energy might be > discernible or malleable to an adept. > > So, to complement the more concrete therapies we're undertaking > (Rolfing, Iyengar Yoga, Alexander Technique) perhaps an > energy-balancing approach could be helpful. Not so much to 'cure' the > scoliosis itself, but to energize the body to accept the changes which > the manipulation and training are effecting. This is why I wanted more > info on Reiki, a practice I've associated with either chi/chakra > balancing or plain ol' faith healing. > > Sorry that this got so long-winded, but this whole situation is both > terrifying for my family and fascinating to learn about and discuss. > The overwhelming feeling one takes away is that it's a wonder anyone > can stand up straight! > > Thanks for the links and information > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota ###### From: "gingerobyn" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <0aaodv0n6nb4446o62or85vv3ske35cfsr@4ax.com> Subject: Re: First question: nice reiki pro/con discussion? Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 04:04:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.83.221.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1054699499 162.83.221.235 (Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:04:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:04:59 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6882 Amazing! I applaud you for the extensive approach you are taking to ensure your son's well-being and wish you the best of luck!! Sincerely, Ginger "Brian Link" wrote in message news:0aaodv0n6nb4446o62or85vv3ske35cfsr@4ax.com... > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 06:00:11 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > > >Hello Brian. I'm sorry to hear of the reasons for which you are researching > >Reiki. May I ask how old is your son and what is the medical condition he > >has? > > He's 14, with a severe scoliotic S-curve (40/70). He's in no pain, and > there is apparently no imminent danger of internal organ involvement. > Cosmetically, it's difficult to even spot it. The orthopedist > recommended a spinal fusion, hooks and rods compassing virtually his > entire back. Everything I've seen suggests we'd get the same > prescription from any allopathic (or even osteopathic) practitioner. > > With alternate therapies, I can discard things that don't work. Once > his spine is one giant bone though, that's it, there's no going back. > > The surgery is painful, debilitating, and carries the risk of > infection, paralysis, additional surgeries, early arthritis, and > death. Even a successful surgery will freeze his back till he dies. > What's more, there's a growing suspicion that except in > life-threatening cases it's more dangerous than leaving things be. > > There are several things I'm investigating, which are motivated by the > discoveries I've made (googling, and consulting trusted therapists of > various stripes) about the possible causes and concurrent conditions > that accompany scoliosis. For instance, this group of facts culled > from different sources: > 1. often low bone density accompanies spinal curvature. > 2. Scoliotics are known to have magnesium deficits. > 3. Calcium is found in higher than normal concentrations in > scoliotics' muscle tissue. > 4. There are herbalists who suggest formulating calcium supplements > with magnesium, which vastly increases absorption. > > So out of this my hypothesis is that there's a metabolic inefficiency > with calcium absorption - and we are therefore supplementing with a > calcium-phosporous-zinc liquid supplement. > > More apropos reiki: Cranio-sacral therapists, chiropractors (Blair > Method) and Alexander Technique teachers all point to the importance > of the neck's alignment for proper spinal functioning. There seems to > be a progression of sensation downward along the spine which causes > dis-ease and some have even connected it directly to scoliosis. A > twist starts in the neck and then (spinal fluid is blocked/nerve > messages are blocked/compensating curves grow) the scoliosis follows. > > Intuitively, one could see the spine as a superhighway of energy > (fluidic/neural/kinesthetic). It's then a short leap (again intuitivem > not rational) that eddies and fluctuations in that energy might be > discernible or malleable to an adept. > > So, to complement the more concrete therapies we're undertaking > (Rolfing, Iyengar Yoga, Alexander Technique) perhaps an > energy-balancing approach could be helpful. Not so much to 'cure' the > scoliosis itself, but to energize the body to accept the changes which > the manipulation and training are effecting. This is why I wanted more > info on Reiki, a practice I've associated with either chi/chakra > balancing or plain ol' faith healing. > > Sorry that this got so long-winded, but this whole situation is both > terrifying for my family and fascinating to learn about and discuss. > The overwhelming feeling one takes away is that it's a wonder anyone > can stand up straight! > > Thanks for the links and information > > BLink > Brian Link in St. Paul, Minnesota