Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Reiji-Ho. Lines: 28 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:32:09 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones.force9.net 1054225268 212.56.115.1 (Thu, 29 May 2003 17:21:08 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:21:08 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!lon1-news.nildram.net!landlord!stones.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6757 H all, In my attunement, I was introduced to the Reiji-Ho meditation. This involves "pumping" the Hui Yin 9 times to start the 'microcosmic orbit' going. 2 questions- 1) is the "standard" Reiki? 2) If the power to be used is universal, why does one need to do what is basically a Chi Kung (type) technique to get internal energy moving? Daoist healing talks about energy enteringthe healer through a 'spiritual gap' at the base of the skull (ref Barefoot Doctor- just about all his books!)- which to me seems consistant with a 'universal power'. So in Reiki, why are we 'pumping' our own internal energy when receiving 'universal' energy? I'll probably start a bit of a punch up with that one, but Ive been wanting to ask it for a while! Cheers, Jon. ###### Message-ID: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:55:07 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.179.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.179.127 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054234452 62.203.179.127 (29 May 2003 20:54:12 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 51 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6549 Hi yeah "squeezing":-) and meditating .. I No I never heard about the linking of the microsmic orbit and reiki, Just sow yesterday in a summary for 3d degree where the microcosmic orbit was mentioned in the menu..( french site) Today reading about Breathing in a book , Petter was mentioning something that could go in the same sense you pump the energy from *under* and stock into hara than do a hand energy work on the recipient as soon as hands feel buzzing I was doing similar breathings with Pranayama taking Prana from above under ,squeezing ,rention of breathing ,and so on Most of these Masters browsed around touched to Hindism buddhism shamanism and God knows what and it is normal that something is spilling on something else I was Reding Mantak Chia book about the macro and microcosmic orbit and people was having with him really shocks when approched to open the circulation .. a sort of attunement . Theo Jonathan wrote: > H all, > > In my attunement, I was introduced to the Reiji-Ho meditation. > > This involves "pumping" the Hui Yin 9 times to start the 'microcosmic orbit' > going. > > 2 questions- > > 1) is the "standard" Reiki? > > 2) If the power to be used is universal, why does one need to do what is > basically a Chi Kung (type) technique to get internal energy moving? > Daoist healing talks about energy enteringthe healer through a 'spiritual > gap' at the base of the skull (ref Barefoot Doctor- just about all his > books!)- which to me seems consistant with a 'universal power'. > So in Reiki, why are we 'pumping' our own internal energy when receiving > 'universal' energy? > > I'll probably start a bit of a punch up with that one, but Ive been wanting > to ask it for a while! > > Cheers, Jon. -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:28:52 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1054237333 01 18053 repbVVaESpAwJY 030529 19:42:13 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: V128fQZGweVhbpPnBVaQRpdZfrsIjodXLKXiBGh3hVQOSpbCrxLQkT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6676 Reiji Ho is not the meditative summoning of Ki, but a manner of becoming aware of where treatment is necessary. Developing an aptitude for Reiji belongs to Level one within the Trad. Jap Reiki system. It is a more subtle method than scanning (Byo-sen). The summoning of Ki within Reiki is called Hatsurei-ho and does not use the same methods as the cosmic orbits, though of course as with anything Reiki related it all stems from the same background, namely projected Q'iGong. Why can't people just leave methods as they are? It doesn't matter what you cook, as long as you stick to basic principles such as entree or dessert. Why on earth put ketchup on vanilla icecream? ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:32:16 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1054237458 06 12461 GgpbVtTbS-A1Yd 030529 19:44:18 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: S3p+laZAweXBjKHlnSg5ihTX+iBqNBNBbIDyNroTqku3ocyv5KEpwO X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!lnewspeer01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6672 Rei-ji The method of allowing energy to guide you. A technique of relaxation and allowing the energy to guide your hands like magnets to places in the body in need of treatment. By doing Reiji you will become more aware of subtle energy and the fact that we are conduits through which energy flows. Intuition will heighten and you will begin trusting it to guide you - during treatments and in all aspects of your life. A literal translation of 'Reiji' is 'sign from spirit (energy)' Rei means, 'energy, spirit or soul' and Ji means 'show, indicate, point out, express, display'. This is technique which can be done on yourself or others. The technique: 1. Sit or stand comfortably next to the recipient. 2. Gassho, calm the mind and focus your attention on the Tanden. After a moment, say silently "I begin Reiji now". 3. Feel your body completely relaxing, releasing all tensions and anxieties. Tell your client to completely relax and release all tensions. Ask that you and/or your client be completely filled with "Light" energy, healing all levels of your being. Enjoy this feeling for a while (and/or give your client a few moments to enjoy it) and when you are ready begin step 4. 4. Move your hands (still in Gassho) up to your third eye (forehead) and ask the energy to guide your hands to the places in need. Your hands will be guided or drawn like a magnet to areas of imbalance in the body. When the part is balanced, your hands will be guided to the next spot. This process will continue until all parts in need of energy are balanced. The energy automatically tells you what to treat and for how long. 5. When all parts of the body in need of energy are balanced or there is no need of energy at this time, your hands will be naturally guided to your knees when sitting or the sides of your body if standing. 6. When complete, Gassho and give thanks. ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:45:19 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3ed66178.10847977@news.netidea.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-978.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6617 On Thu, 29 May 2003 17:32:09 +0100, "Jonathan" wrote: > >2 questions- > >1) is the "standard" Reiki? > >2) If the power to be used is universal, why does one need to do what is >basically a Chi Kung (type) technique to get internal energy moving? >Daoist healing talks about energy enteringthe healer through a 'spiritual >gap' at the base of the skull (ref Barefoot Doctor- just about all his >books!)- which to me seems consistant with a 'universal power'. >So in Reiki, why are we 'pumping' our own internal energy when receiving >'universal' energy? > Jon, I was attuned about three years ago. At that time, there were people with a qi-gong background who were learning Reiki in Europe and the Americas, plus Hiroshi Doi, coming from Japan, had made a bit of a tour in the West. Doi-sensei had first been attuned in the Western Reiki tradition (stemming from Takata), but then had sought out the individuals in Japan who had been associated with various Japanese lineages. So when he taught and wrote a book for Westerners, he included some of the q-gong-type exercises that the Japanese Reiki practitioners were using. So, for me, there has never been any foreign-ness in the joining of the two. Doi and certain other teachers emphasize that attunements, even the Level 3 or Level 4 "master" attunement is really only a beginning. Virtually all of us have to develop ourselves. Maybe it's a little like solar energy -- which in a sense is "universal" (at least on a well-lit planet like Earth), so you can view solar energy as analogous to Reiki. A skilled individual can set up a system to utilize this energy for electricity, or for room-temperature conditioning. The skilled individual is the parallel to a Reiki master. But generally the efficiency of the system can be improved in various ways, which is the parallel to our growth as "channels" for Reiki. That's *one* way I look at it, although others can, I'm sure, come up with analogies just as good or better. montane ###### Message-ID: <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:59:28 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.179.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.179.127 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054238368 62.203.179.127 (29 May 2003 21:59:28 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 11 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6566 You mentioned the practice exactly as I have in my manual but you must accept that unfortunately since Takata each master wanted to leave its inprint .. so some put ketchup with Vanilla :-) and maybe for some it is enlightment! Theo ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:22:43 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:20:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-iW1vPwcs5iM+p3hISwSi1NKzjS8warbfDf4envys+oev38kCpeKHBjNObRu+DD7XAYt00T1JluAtBd7!62kPR/jejCUAt2oF+B9pS7J64yOGdlrlI+OoSvMHiWXeyWaVQFvBnqD5yI8kQmMuIEnjPUcwBuzy X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!206.252.192.28.MISMATCH!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.156.MISMATCH!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6658 Hi Jon Per my experience you are mixing two systems that do not mix - the practices you describe are CMA/Qigong, as is the terminology. Perhaps your teacher has that in his/her background and is using these concepts to communicate something, but I have only done these in Taiji/Qigong, not in any Japanese version of Ki practices. See Taggart's site http://www.reiki-evolution.co.uk/ or Reiki Plain and Simple. Regards, Peterz www.onreiki.com "Jonathan" wrote in message news:UrqBa.31261$xd5.1419314@stones.force9.net... > H all, > > In my attunement, I was introduced to the Reiji-Ho meditation. > > This involves "pumping" the Hui Yin 9 times to start the 'microcosmic orbit' > going. > > 2 questions- > > 1) is the "standard" Reiki? > > 2) If the power to be used is universal, why does one need to do what is > basically a Chi Kung (type) technique to get internal energy moving? > Daoist healing talks about energy enteringthe healer through a 'spiritual > gap' at the base of the skull (ref Barefoot Doctor- just about all his > books!)- which to me seems consistant with a 'universal power'. > So in Reiki, why are we 'pumping' our own internal energy when receiving > 'universal' energy? > > I'll probably start a bit of a punch up with that one, but Ive been wanting > to ask it for a while! > > Cheers, Jon. > > > > > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:28:31 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ed66178.10847977@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. 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I just posted the opposite understanding. Ah well. Perhaps "anything goes" is the best way. The thing that concerns me is that the Chinese Qi model is very different - Qi is stored, and saved up, as opposed to passed through in limitless quantity. Just don't use "your own" energy. (Reportedly, some folks forgot to use energy from the outside in a MA class showing them Kiatsu - a Ki therapy - and ended up passed out. This was from the teacher, someone I trust and respect...) Peterz www.onreiki.com "montane" wrote in message news:3ed66178.10847977@news.netidea.com... > On Thu, 29 May 2003 17:32:09 +0100, "Jonathan" wrote: > > > >2 questions- > > > >1) is the "standard" Reiki? > > > >2) If the power to be used is universal, why does one need to do what is > >basically a Chi Kung (type) technique to get internal energy moving? > >Daoist healing talks about energy enteringthe healer through a 'spiritual > >gap' at the base of the skull (ref Barefoot Doctor- just about all his > >books!)- which to me seems consistant with a 'universal power'. > >So in Reiki, why are we 'pumping' our own internal energy when receiving > >'universal' energy? > > > > Jon, > > I was attuned about three years ago. At that time, there were people with a > qi-gong background who were learning Reiki in Europe and the Americas, plus > Hiroshi Doi, coming from Japan, had made a bit of a tour in the West. > Doi-sensei had first been attuned in the Western Reiki tradition (stemming > from Takata), but then had sought out the individuals in Japan who had been > associated with various Japanese lineages. So when he taught and wrote a > book for Westerners, he included some of the q-gong-type exercises that the > Japanese Reiki practitioners were using. > > So, for me, there has never been any foreign-ness in the joining of the two. > Doi and certain other teachers emphasize that attunements, even the Level 3 > or Level 4 "master" attunement is really only a beginning. Virtually all of > us have to develop ourselves. > > Maybe it's a little like solar energy -- which in a sense is "universal" (at > least on a well-lit planet like Earth), so you can view solar energy as > analogous to Reiki. A skilled individual can set up a system to utilize this > energy for electricity, or for room-temperature conditioning. The skilled > individual is the parallel to a Reiki master. But generally the efficiency > of the system can be improved in various ways, which is the parallel to our > growth as "channels" for Reiki. That's *one* way I look at it, although > others can, I'm sure, come up with analogies just as good or better. > > montane ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:49:36 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1054242109 02 23875 woBbVbNVSBA2X 030529 21:01:49 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: TlX2eoZToe0PsRydP54OIxIDKXlBt6hKmJDFqtXRwtg2dC-k46x1U5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6674 for what it's worth: You CAN put ketchup on vanilla if you so desire, only it is silly to call it by the wrong name. The Japanese language tends to be very precise in some things. The method which the original posting alludes to is NOT Reiji but rather the more commonly (among the Reiki Crowd) known Hui Yin exercise. If I remember correctly it was in the days of Diane Stein and the appearance of William Rand that it became popular among the Reiki Practitioners of the western styles. Much todo was made about it and then everybody thought s/he had to do it and consequently the wildest variations appeared, because many didn't know, what was what. We used to have a name for these people: Busybody Additive Reiki Floaters, also known as BARF-people. hee hee hee :) But seriously, many things are useful in practising Reiki. One should just try to learn things as originally as possible and not go around collecting esoteric flotsam. The truth is out there...... best of thoughts, "the old one" PS. Where are the other oldies? All gone? ###### Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ed66178.10847977@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Lines: 40 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:18:40 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards.force9.net 1054246412 212.56.115.1 (Thu, 29 May 2003 23:13:32 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:13:32 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!landlord!wards.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6726 > > The thing that concerns me is that the Chinese Qi model is very different - > Qi is stored, and saved up, as opposed to passed through in limitless > quantity. Just don't use "your own" energy. That is exactly my issue with this- the 'scientist' in me says Reiki== channeling energy from the universe (quite in step with Zero Point theory- in a round about sort of way!). Chi Kung== using your energy that you can sort of build up from your immediate envirnement (go hug a tree, as it has energy, and swap a bit, hopefully coming out on top!!!). If you are using a micro-orbit to rank up your internal Chi, then you are NOT (to my way of thinking) using universal energy/ energy from source- or wherever it may be depending on the linguistic/ cultural / pseudo religeous bent in operation at the time. Chi Kung is great - but more limited than Reiki (IMHO). Reiki is another level 'on top of' the Chi Kung, with some outside influence that I am not qualified to describe- I can certainly feel when Chi transference 'swaps out' to Reiki- see previous post (me being Anal etc). This somewhat tenuous link where Reiki is using basic Chi Kung as a sort of 'bootstrap loader' to get energy moving to call down Reiki is, well, problematic. It also (dare I say it) causes a negative physical reaction in me very much in keeping with my basic understanding of Chinease medicine )the 5 elements)- overheating the lower burner- pecisely what would be expected of pumping that particular area without then "dissipating" the energy produced. But heck, who am I to know? Where has Taggart gone? ;-) ###### Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Lines: 29 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:22:15 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards.force9.net 1054246627 212.56.115.1 (Thu, 29 May 2003 23:17:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:17:07 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer2.news.opaltelecom.net!zen.net.uk!landlord!wards.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6714 > Hi Jon > > Per my experience you are mixing two systems that do not mix - the practices > you describe are CMA/Qigong, as is the terminology. Perhaps your teacher has > that in his/her background and is using these concepts to communicate > something, but I have only done these in Taiji/Qigong, not in any Japanese > version of Ki practices. > > See Taggart's site http://www.reiki-evolution.co.uk/ or Reiki Plain and > Simple. > Giggle- see my pervious post- I just sort of lead straight into that! Interesting synchronicity I think! I even asked what Taggart would make of this! You know, I keep on, time after time coming back to the same question... I remember a Buddhist tale of a student that asked his teacher every day for 20 years (or something!) the same basic question- from memory "What Is Enlightenment?"? It seems to me that the same applies here every day- "What Is Reiki?"? Cheers, J. ###### Lines: 36 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: seichim@aol.comnospam (Patrick Zeigler) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 29 May 2003 22:22:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Message-ID: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.belwue.de!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6637 Sometimes it can be very difficult to know what was at the core of a teaching or method, because as the method is passes down form one student to he next, someone always seems to find an aspect that seems to work better for them. For many the use of breath is a very effective way to connect with universal energy, for others the aspect of sound, for another silence, some just pure Love. When one beings their journey with energy healing it may be a good idea to stick to some of the basics at first and not begin mixing up several different traditions. In other words keep it simple, find what works best for you on a basic level first. What has happens to Reiki is that that ever since Usui passed on Reiki each teacher has added what they felt works best. Some focused on the Symbols or attunement procedure, others more of a lifestyle change. This is one reason why there are now several distinct lineages that have formed. More than likely Usui also experimented through the years and added what he felt work best through his eyes. One thing we know for sure was that the Reiki system has gone through many stages of growth and evolution. There is much debate as to whether many of the additions are true Gems or just BARF. We also know the original system was not embossed on gold tablets and made sacred never to be tampered with by human hands. All Love, Patrick SKHM Classes in the UK - London June 30 July 1: Cornwall 3-4 www.SKHM.org ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:12:36 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 71 Message-ID: <3ed6917f.11879435@news.netidea.com> References: <3ed66178.10847977@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-988.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6623 On Thu, 29 May 2003 23:18:40 +0100, "Jonathan" wrote: >> >> The thing that concerns me is that the Chinese Qi model is very >different - >> Qi is stored, and saved up, as opposed to passed through in limitless >> quantity. Just don't use "your own" energy. > I will give you my understanding, with the caveat that it is a provisional understanding and may be flawed! Yes, universal energy can "pass through" and it does when we treat someone. When we treat ourselves, via an internal art like hatsureiho, it does us internal good -- plus we can store some in the dantien (also spelled tantien, or -- more according to the Japanese pronunciation -- tanden). >That is exactly my issue with this- the 'scientist' in me says Reiki== >channeling energy from the universe (quite in step with Zero Point theory- >in a round about sort of way!). >Chi Kung== using your energy that you can sort of build up from your >immediate envirnement (go hug a tree, as it has energy, and swap a bit, >hopefully coming out on top!!!). > Okay. But remember that in addition to attunements of some sort, it is also said that Usui gave almost daily boosts (reiju) to the disciples he was working with. >If you are using a micro-orbit to rank up your internal Chi, then you are >NOT (to my way of thinking) using universal energy/ energy from source- or >wherever it may be depending on the linguistic/ cultural / pseudo religeous >bent in operation at the time. > >Chi Kung is great - but more limited than Reiki (IMHO). >Reiki is another level 'on top of' the Chi Kung, with some outside influence >that I am not qualified to describe- Yes, it has seemed this way to me, too. But I can tell you my experience. When I was originally attuned (I had an "all in one" attunement first (that is, all three levels), and this had strong psychological healing effects on the emotional/mental levels. But I found my ability to channel Reiki for directed healing of my own body, or that of a dog or plant, or another person seemed very limited. After living with this a while, and doing daily self-healing, I then went to another RM and again got levels two and three individually. Somewhere between my first couple of attunments, one of the people on this newsgroup e-mailed me the instructions for hatsureiho; I found it easy to do, because I had a couple of decades of experience with yoga meditation. Then I got a copy of Doi's book and read it, and realized that (according to him) Usui and his immediate successors observed that one's quality as a channel for Reiki improved over time, often over years -- very different from the instant-success we were expeecting in the modern West. Also, according to Doi, it is common for Reiki practitioners in Japan to do qi gong type exercises for personal health benefits and to build their abilities with Reiki. But I have learned not to overdo it with hatsureiho. At first, I benefitted from 15 or 20 minutes of it. Now, if I do that, I have negative reactions on parts of my body for a day or two, so I just do maybe five minutes. > >But heck, who am I to know? > I don't know. Probably you should go by your own experience as much as anything. Reiki instruction is not highly uniform, nor highly formalized in certain ways. But truly, who am *I* to know? :o) montane ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 31 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.134.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054256237 165.247.134.88 (Thu, 29 May 2003 17:57:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:57:17 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6719 On 29 May 2003 22:22:20 GMT, seichim@aol.comnospam (Patrick Zeigler) wrote: >What has happens to Reiki is that that ever since >Usui passed on Reiki each teacher has added what they >felt works best. Some focused on the Symbols or attunement >procedure, others more of a lifestyle change. This is >one reason why there are now several distinct lineages >that have formed. More than likely Usui also experimented >through the years and added what he felt work best through >his eyes. One thing we know for sure was that the Reiki >system has gone through many stages of growth and >evolution. There is much debate as to whether many >of the additions are true Gems or just BARF. We also know >the original system was not embossed on gold tablets >and made sacred never to be tampered with by human hands. Patrick, it seems to me a very human thing to do. People make changes to their use of language, clothing and other things to personalize them and set themselves apart from others. Perhaps it's part of our instinctive behavior to try to differentiate ourselves from the crowd to have a better chance of attracting a mate? Just a thought, not a serious theory. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 01:38:35 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com> References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-957.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6638 On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:17 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >Patrick, it seems to me a very human thing to do. People make changes >to their use of language, clothing and other things to personalize >them and set themselves apart from others. Perhaps it's part of our >instinctive behavior to try to differentiate ourselves from the crowd >to have a better chance of attracting a mate? > Hi, Garry. Re: "Perhaps it's part of our instinctive behavior to try to differentiate ourselves from the crowd to have a better chance of attracting a mate?" -- or, OTOH, as one high-caste yogic snob put it one time: "We're all one, and I've never really liked the fact." Quizzically, montane ###### Message-ID: <3ED6ED8F.501F160B@ch.inter.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:35:12 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054272911 62.203.51.7 (30 May 2003 07:35:11 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 63 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6579 Gabriel wrote: > for what it's worth: > > You CAN put ketchup on vanilla if you so desire, only it is silly to call it > by the wrong name. The Japanese language tends to be very precise in some > things. > > The method which the original posting alludes to is NOT Reiji but rather the > more commonly (among the Reiki Crowd) known Hui Yin exercise. HI I was talking Reiji in my answer Huy yin is acupuncure point as is part of a totally different system you learn this in Qi Gong the breathing well we breath with the nose or the mouth ( plus the skin) and there are not 20 different orifices it goes from outside to the inside and an the way to lungs and out again you can make some different exercises ..it is normal that all these discipline cross the exercises there are not en endless variety of them as all these systems are connected as stemming from the basic Energy or Philsophy of Energy it is normal that some people added them to their teachings if it can helps their comprehension and each teacher has its own methods.. I agree it looks a mess sometimes also knowledge of some internal organs and their fonction as well as bone and related muscles is useful IMO for practicing Usui Teate it is asked in any Reiki manual but it is part of personal learning as you noticed few people that do Reiki also do Qi Gong or oters energy system it means that either there is a reason or an inconscious need >If I remember correctly it was in the days of Diane Stein and the appearance > of William Rand that it became popular among the Reiki Practitioners of the > western styles. Much todo was made about it and then everybody thought s/he > had to do it and consequently the wildest variations appeared, because many > didn't know, what was what. We used to have a name for these people: > Busybody Additive Reiki Floaters, also known as BARF-people. > > hee hee hee > :) > > But seriously, many things are useful in practising Reiki. One should just > try to learn things as originally as possible and not go around collecting > esoteric flotsam. The truth is out there...... > > best of thoughts, > "the old one" Dinos died .. read Reiki evolution by TK hehe! Theo > > > PS. > Where are the other oldies? All gone? -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: "Gabriel" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:03:24 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> <3ED6ED8F.501F160B@ch.inter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1054279341 01 14945 fuDbVhRbSpAvtp 030530 07:22:21 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: bikzwgZcZe+MOdY0jynPw83NWFhcrfgjv2R-TL7slvItKrUvSITYrp X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6652 Theo wrote: < Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:03:52 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> <3ED6ED8F.501F160B@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054289030 62.203.51.7 (30 May 2003 12:03:50 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 36 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6602 Hi Dino Gabriel I started ahr maybe 7 months ago so cannot remember you :-) blessings Theo Gabriel wrote: > Theo wrote: > < > LOL, to make a point clear: > > Most of you don't remember me. I came out with the first postings on > Japanese Technique and Trad. Jap Reiki and I do NOT object to additions. > > I only object to calling things by the wrong name and I object to faulty > techniques. If you teach something, teach it right. > > < > In the original posting the term Reiji-ho was used but referred to a > completely different thing. I was talking about the original posting and not > the answers. Please note, that I wrote "Hui Yin exercise". This is the term > Reiki Practioners used when it was introduced to the general Reiki world. > And then there was the problem of where males should put Diane's crystal > egg, but I assume you're all to young to know what that means, hee hee..... > > loving laughter, > The Dinosaur -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed7353e.921897@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> <3ED6ED8F.501F160B@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:37:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054291049 165.247.136.53 (Fri, 30 May 2003 03:37:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 03:37:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6677 On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:03:24 +0200, "Gabriel" wrote: >And then there was the problem of where males should put Diane's crystal >egg, but I assume you're all to young to know what that means, hee hee..... Oh, no! Not the fabled crystal egg thread! Even those that are too young to know can invoke a little Google Reiki.... ;-) Garry ###### Message-ID: <3ED73E9E.EBB8B64B@ch.inter.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:21:02 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> <3ED6ED8F.501F160B@ch.inter.net> <3ed7353e.921897@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054293660 62.203.51.7 (30 May 2003 13:21:00 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 27 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6603 Young generations( ladies) used harmonic chinese stailess steel spheres it seems it makes such a armonic vibe while walking ... How are you doing Garry? too much informations these lat days.. I feel switched off.. cannot even post as before LOL! Love and light Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:03:24 +0200, "Gabriel" > wrote: > > >And then there was the problem of where males should put Diane's crystal > >egg, but I assume you're all to young to know what that means, hee hee..... > > Oh, no! Not the fabled crystal egg thread! Even those that are too > young to know can invoke a little Google Reiki.... ;-) > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED7411C.BDDAE27@ch.inter.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:31:40 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> <3ED6ED8F.501F160B@ch.inter.net> <3ed7353e.921897@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054294298 62.203.51.7 (30 May 2003 13:31:38 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 31 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6558 You know Garry after reading all these stressing things about depression, different energetic system,all these people disperately groping in all sorts of workshops, meetings ,the harassing bombing of informations books web sites all these people that self decide that *they need* to be healed in all levels I am wondering if there is not a bug somewhere , the Aquarious era is not spreading communication is spreading glitches .. I feel like either hybernate or go on holidays and make a break.. Will think about! Namaste Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:03:24 +0200, "Gabriel" > wrote: > > >And then there was the problem of where males should put Diane's crystal > >egg, but I assume you're all to young to know what that means, hee hee..... > > Oh, no! Not the fabled crystal egg thread! Even those that are too > young to know can invoke a little Google Reiki.... ;-) > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:06:59 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> <3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:02:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-tVv9MYaDbRisA9KzsX9xkrNOQ4srxEa6QfvGf2J9zUcJUo9/sV4Qih7h4nUObkWSjA4ZxakoNY1AS2o!ATCdN0AAS0+HwEQPLlPB8Bidofh2BdvVi4CKDobQY2oF6193HgK2DKeMzEtcGYPPfcivJXBN0L4T X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6634 ROTFL. Nice quote. ( "We're > all one, and I've never really liked the fact.") Observation: No two of my Master's students do Reiki quite the same - and they all feel very different to me when I receive from them. And they were all taught Reiki by her. Every one has had different "other" teachings - yoga, qigong, aboriginal healing, other Reiki masters... and their perceptions and ways of expressing themselves reflect their backgrounds. I don't think that they do it purposely, we just express things the way that we each understand them. One of the things I personally like about the Reiki Plain and Simple - it provides a "vanilla" base for discussion. Whether that base is acceptable to all is another thing, I guess. A problem in trying to promote Reiki in a medical environment is that there is no real consistency amongst practitioners. Reminds me of a discussion that Two Bears and I were having about Associations trying to qualify therapists. Not only is there no way to determine how good they are at the energy flow stuff, but everyone does things differently, even with the same teaching. But I digress. I think that adding stuff is fine, but we need to keep an eye on what we added and what is "Reiki". If you do qigong to warm up for Reiki, great. Or yoga. Or (your activity name here). Or you got a new symbol. Or whatever. But I think that if we teach that whatever we added is "Reiki", we confuse people, to its eventual detriment. Peterz www.onreiki.com "montane" wrote in message news:3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com... > On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:17 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) > wrote: > > > >Patrick, it seems to me a very human thing to do. People make changes > >to their use of language, clothing and other things to personalize > >them and set themselves apart from others. Perhaps it's part of our > >instinctive behavior to try to differentiate ourselves from the crowd > >to have a better chance of attracting a mate? > > > > Hi, Garry. Re: "Perhaps it's part of our instinctive behavior to try to > differentiate ourselves from the crowd to have a better chance of attracting > a mate?" -- or, OTOH, as one high-caste yogic snob put it one time: "We're > all one, and I've never really liked the fact." > > Quizzically, > > montane ###### Message-ID: <3ED74E11.A7CC7FD8@ch.inter.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:26:57 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> <3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054297615 62.203.51.7 (30 May 2003 14:26:55 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 81 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6593 Peterz wrote: > ROTFL. > > > yoga, qigong, aboriginal healing, other Reiki masters... and their > perceptions and ways of expressing themselves reflect their backgrounds. I > don't think that they do it purposely, we just express things the way that > we each understand them. exactly and it is amazing how people reception what is said ! > > A problem in trying to promote Reiki in a medical environment is that there > is no real consistency amongst practitioners. Reminds me of a discussion > that Two Bears and I were having about Associations trying to qualify > therapists. Not only is there no way to determine how good they are at the > energy flow stuff, but everyone does things differently, even with the same > teaching. I did not intrude... but a lot of people could also use a Reiki diploma to sneak into para medecine for illegal attitudes as after all as you said theh energy is not *detectable" trought en exam > > > -snip- > whatever. But I think that if we teach that whatever we added is "Reiki", we > confuse people, to its eventual detriment. Some teachers should be fair play and say * this is not part of the Basic Reiki * but I find it useful *for me* and I add in the workshop.. free the student to use it or not later on All the ways lead to Nirvana .. but by the number of students that after years are piling up the number of diplomas like pancakes nobody did find the real and TRUEe WAY ! ( rats, my bitchy side bursted out ) another bloody thought , how many hours can a normal person( that has a normal job and a family or girlfriend or wants also live a little and have others activities than Reiki and his work and internet) devote to study and practice ? it was just an anquishing feeling ... Theo > > > Peterz > www.onreiki.com > > "montane" wrote in message > news:3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com... > > On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:17 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) > > wrote: > > > > > > >Patrick, it seems to me a very human thing to do. People make changes > > >to their use of language, clothing and other things to personalize > > >them and set themselves apart from others. Perhaps it's part of our > > >instinctive behavior to try to differentiate ourselves from the crowd > > >to have a better chance of attracting a mate? > > > > > > > Hi, Garry. Re: "Perhaps it's part of our instinctive behavior to try to > > differentiate ourselves from the crowd to have a better chance of > attracting > > a mate?" -- or, OTOH, as one high-caste yogic snob put it one time: "We're > > all one, and I've never really liked the fact." > > > > Quizzically, > > > > montane -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ED6578B.7A1D0F@ch.inter.net> <3ED666A0.66A3868C@ch.inter.net> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <%5JBa.3677$vZ2.943@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:34:51 EDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:41:07 -0700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6764 YOU, I have missed terribly. It is so good to here from you. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Gabriel" wrote in message news:bb5sfs$na3$02$1@news.t-online.com... > for what it's worth: > > You CAN put ketchup on vanilla if you so desire, only it is silly to call it > by the wrong name. The Japanese language tends to be very precise in some > things. > > The method which the original posting alludes to is NOT Reiji but rather the > more commonly (among the Reiki Crowd) known Hui Yin exercise. > > If I remember correctly it was in the days of Diane Stein and the appearance > of William Rand that it became popular among the Reiki Practitioners of the > western styles. Much todo was made about it and then everybody thought s/he > had to do it and consequently the wildest variations appeared, because many > didn't know, what was what. We used to have a name for these people: > Busybody Additive Reiki Floaters, also known as BARF-people. > > hee hee hee > :) > > But seriously, many things are useful in practising Reiki. One should just > try to learn things as originally as possible and not go around collecting > esoteric flotsam. The truth is out there...... > > best of thoughts, > "the old one" > > PS. > Where are the other oldies? All gone? > > ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:07:52 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> <3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com> <3ED74E11.A7CC7FD8@ch.inter.net> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:06:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-TOek2oVgoPlwNPq790HtD/DK3AlbXc9+sQ7Mol7K8WZ7pVoFqxecql1ZSV+FGoZUk900KJ7/YrfUyiO!EY/HwvSvh25gg49GivbxHmr7QQT4/J2M0OTzAMqzuPZInc1yG9z6YHfamoSkN5+XSizPVKqEDpt5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6679 Theo: "Theo" wrote in message news:3ED74E11.A7CC7FD8@ch.inter.net... [snip] > > A problem in trying to promote Reiki in a medical environment is that there > > is no real consistency amongst practitioners. Reminds me of a discussion > > that Two Bears and I were having about Associations trying to qualify > > therapists. Not only is there no way to determine how good they are at the > > energy flow stuff, but everyone does things differently, even with the same > > teaching. > > I did not intrude... but a lot of people could also use a Reiki diploma to > sneak into para medecine > for illegal attitudes as after all as you said theh energy is not > *detectable" trought en exam > You will never stop charlatans in anything. Registrations and such are only barriers for people who are legitimate - the others will fake it anyway. > > > > -snip- > > whatever. But I think that if we teach that whatever we added is "Reiki", we > > confuse people, to its eventual detriment. > > Some teachers should be fair play and say * this is not part of the Basic > Reiki * but I find it useful *for me* and I add in the workshop.. free the > student to use it or not later on [snip] That's what I do. I get into trouble with the very orthodox because I think that a lot of things from outside the system are useful and relevant. But when I present the material, I make sure that it is clear what is within the system, and what is not. Peter www.onreiki.com ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:20:03 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3ed76767.18132290@news.netidea.com> References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> <3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com> <3ED74E11.A7CC7FD8@ch.inter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-217.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6615 On Fri, 30 May 2003 10:06:04 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >> I did not intrude... but a lot of people could also use a Reiki diploma >to >> sneak into para medecine >> for illegal attitudes as after all as you said theh energy is not >> *detectable" trought en exam >> > >You will never stop charlatans in anything. Registrations and such are only >barriers for people who are legitimate - the others will fake it anyway. > > Peter, I think what will get Reiki and other forms of energy or spiritual healing recognized will be results. Sometimes in this news group, it seems as though "results" is a word people shy away from ("the ' r ' word"), because in practicing Reiki in any individual session we are wisely advised not to interfere by expecting or thinking about positive results. Nevertheless, if Reiki is thought of or referred to as a healing system, then it seems to me it is legit to expect to see some healing now and again. I'm confident the medical community will have to make a place for energy healing if results become undenaible. In any case, Peter, I'm not sure if you were dropping in on the AHR when I posted the following, several months back. I'm just pasting it in here because I believe it is relevant to where this current thread has gone: A book called *Secrets of the Soil* (by Peter Tomkins and Christopher Bird) has an epilog with considerable discussion of Alla Kudryashova, an energy healer who used mainly a hands-on approach such as we are familiar with through Reiki training. She is/was a natural, in the sense that she did not receive training to discover her healing ability; it was discovered by a family member. She was amiably and supportively studied during the Soviet years by the "Department of Theoretical Problems," an open-minded think tank of scientists attached to the U.S.S.R. Academy of Sciences. She came to the attention of the DTP due to her pronounced abilites. For the gardener or farmer, something of interest is Alla's demonstrated ability to increase the yield of beets (about a 70% increase in the field where she treated the seed, versus untreated-seed fields). Before she got deliberately involved with plants, she had demonstrated an ability to cure hatchling chikens that were ailing with a usually fatal digestive-tract disease, and also to increase the percentage of chicken egg hatching. Other ag-related experiments are also described. Another interesting thing: Alla learned through her own experience (in other words, not taught by a teacher or master) that she needed to avoid dark moods and all sorts of pettiness if the healing power she channelled were to work at its full potential. I believe this tends to support the value of the Reiki precepts recommended by Usui and other Reiki teachers. montane ###### Message-ID: <3ED77872.ADDA4D45@ch.inter.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:27:46 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <20030529182220.27444.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com> <3ed6ad5a.3333598@news.earthlink.net> <3ed6b5b1.14252811@news.netidea.com> <3ED74E11.A7CC7FD8@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.51.7 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054308463 62.203.51.7 (30 May 2003 17:27:43 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 47 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6585 HI Peter Peterz wrote: > -snip- > > > That's what I do. I get into trouble with the very orthodox because I think > that a lot of things from outside the system are useful and relevant. But > when I present the material, I make sure that it is clear what is within the > system, and what is not. > well you cannot satisfy everybody and there are far too many opinons and people in the world .. I read quite few things around either the net either books. I love what TK says ( I said it so many times that I have the suspicion he thinks I am having joke of him) it makes sense to me Some people here yelled almost *scandal* does their practice will be better or inferior to those ones that follow a more *modern* approach ? I do not think so I think that Reiki exists as a natural gift we approach it in our own ways to get rid of the barrier that impeach us to use it , each of us finds his way some use crystals othehr pendulum others just intuitions and hands what's the importance of the ritual followed if the Symbol has been said 3 times or one or whatever ? Following a scheme we fall again in a groove and if we do not follow the ritual we do not trust what we d,kids are spontaneous act as they feel I think kids are a good example for our adult crystallized minds Namaste Theo > > Peter > www.onreiki.com -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:03:55 -0700 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ED8C45B.1CE6@nidlink.com> References: <3ed66178.10847977@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-228.imbris.com (216.18.141.228) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1054393493 7788708 216.18.141.228 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-228.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6536 Jonathan wrote: > If you are using a micro-orbit to rank up your internal Chi, then you are > NOT (to my way of thinking) using universal energy/ energy from source- or > wherever it may be depending on the linguistic/ cultural / pseudo religeous > bent in operation at the time. I had always thought the micro and macrocosmic orbits was to circulate chi throughout the body, no matter where it came from. Using breathing exercises and focusing can be similar to using reiki to tap into universal chi. namaste, sue ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:07:46 -0700 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-228.imbris.com (216.18.141.228) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1054393723 7788708 216.18.141.228 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-228.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6535 Peterz wrote: > > Hi Jon > > Per my experience you are mixing two systems that do not mix - the practices > you describe are CMA/Qigong, as is the terminology. Perhaps your teacher has > that in his/her background and is using these concepts to communicate > something, but I have only done these in Taiji/Qigong, not in any Japanese > version of Ki practices. In much of the information on Usui's practices, it's said that they're based on the Japanese style of qi gong called ki ko. I would think hatsureiho has similarities to qi gong practices. So I don't think one can really separate the two. namaste, sue ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:43:51 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3ed8cc25.25731112@news.netidea.com> References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-004.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!crtntx1-snf1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6640 On Sat, 31 May 2003 08:07:46 -0700, suzee wrote: > >In much of the information on Usui's practices, it's said that they're >based on the Japanese style of qi gong called ki ko. I would think >hatsureiho has similarities to qi gong practices. So I don't think one >can really separate the two. > >namaste, sue Yeah. Two people with years of qi-gong experience have flat-out told me that hatsureiho -- not the name, but the practice itself -- is qi gong. By virtue of its intent and its effects. "A rose by any other name..." One of these people explained that *gong* (or gung, as in "gung ho") means "work." Qi=ki=ch'i= prana. A farmer "works" the soil to yield a crop, a con artist "works an angle," or a golf pro coaches an amateur to "work" on his/her swing, and in the same way people practice qi gong, meaning they do "qi work." So can one do this after being attuned to Reiki? I would so. montane ###### Message-ID: <3ED8EA8E.D8C741B2@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:46:54 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> <3ed8cc25.25731112@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.57.158 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.57.158 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054403206 62.203.57.158 (31 May 2003 19:46:46 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 68 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6594 HI Montane montane wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2003 08:07:46 -0700, suzee wrote: > >In much of the information on Usui's practices, it's said that they're > >based on the Japanese style of qi gong called ki ko. I would think > >hatsureiho has similarities to qi gong practices. So I don't think one > >can really separate the two. "gong" itself ,means work excercise ,routine,practice Qi we know the two words means working with energy , "How to i control the flow and distribution of qi to improve health and harmony of mind and body ( Cohen) I have a Book from Requena another Dr Yang,JwingMing : The root of chinese Qui Gong and another from Alston plus Cohen : The way of Qi gong Plus Matak Chia Never have seen a practice like Hatsurei ho most of exercises are done standing in the Horse Stance the massage is before starting exercises and also after it is a rubbing of many zones of the head ( eyes lips upper and under ears, pavillion of ears front side of thr nose back of the nape and top of the skull from nape to front each rubbing at least 15 times than you have the body ( torso ) than arms , kidneys, belly and legs a lots of different breathings and plenty of mouvements Cohen lives at about 6k feet where Qi is better so as you can see.. nothing to do with our Ki Qi gong ios at the base a martial art athat found its extreme in Shaolin Mnastery as tehy were MonK warriors that by their tecknique could improuve tehir hardness.. In Musckle and Tendon changing and Marrow /brain washing Qi gong you can see how use stone on hanging male parts :-) to strengthen them and ho you need beating your ribs and otehrs parts for resistence.. so this has nothing to do with REIKI the "embracing the tree" stance or horse stance is working with repelnishing the 3 cauldrons hara heart and 3 rd eye and is done standing again Petter use his standing position while practicing , holding the legs slightly bent and the basin slightly tilted foreward to keep the back bone straight like in qui gong exercises for a better flow of the energy Namaste Theo > > > > >namaste, sue > > Yeah. Two people with years of qi-gong experience have flat-out told me that > hatsureiho -- not the name, but the practice itself -- is qi gong. By virtue > of its intent and its effects. "A rose by any other name..." > > One of these people explained that *gong* (or gung, as in "gung ho") means > "work." Qi=ki=ch'i= prana. A farmer "works" the soil to yield a crop, a con > artist "works an angle," or a golf pro coaches an amateur to "work" on > his/her swing, and in the same way people practice qi gong, meaning they do > "qi work." > > So can one do this after being attuned to Reiki? I would so. > > montane -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:38 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:25:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-nLrwcrSGze7UOPaQzSdUUrZ5hbcRY6Musn3w8PpvGcVheEEa6fPunbHmZUsZO5Vih4vEIv87GurPboz!g4deBxjOVbOyHI1fdgS0zaKnhATGd4bTWmkwo26eebR7kzCL445hz8FpA6WCsHxXAuj2uXl9SEb1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6683 Hi I agree that qigong and hatsureiho are pretty much the same. I also think that the energies are the same, but the models as I was taught them differ. I have never heard of (for instance) qi storage, microcosmic orbits, or birth Qi in the context of the Japanese model (though I am as ever open to correction). Likewise, the Chinese teachings that I had differentiated Martial Qi from Qi for Healing and included the idea that you had to develop them differently. I *personally* think that there is only one energy type that we are working with, and that differences in the models are historical/cultural. But I also believe that if we start talking about microcosmic orbits as if they part of Reiki training, then we are adding something. I don't have a quarrel with teaching everything that you know to students, no matter the source - I do it myself. But we need to be clear that not everything that we taught is from one system, and what falls outside it. (I am an inveterate mixer, so this is a strange line of argument for me to take ;^). I certainly got into my share of trouble with teachers for suggesting that there were similarities/things that could be used from other systems. Maybe I was right all along, or maybe this is my comeuppance from the powers that be...) Warm best, Peterz www.onreiki.com "suzee" wrote in message news:3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com... > Peterz wrote: > > > > Hi Jon > > > > Per my experience you are mixing two systems that do not mix - the practices > > you describe are CMA/Qigong, as is the terminology. Perhaps your teacher has > > that in his/her background and is using these concepts to communicate > > something, but I have only done these in Taiji/Qigong, not in any Japanese > > version of Ki practices. > > In much of the information on Usui's practices, it's said that they're > based on the Japanese style of qi gong called ki ko. I would think > hatsureiho has similarities to qi gong practices. So I don't think one > can really separate the two. > > namaste, sue ###### Message-ID: <3ED9B3F9.E9615291@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:06:17 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054454766 62.203.115.54 (1 Jun 2003 10:06:06 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 26 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6569 Peterz wrote: > Hi > > I agree that qigong and hatsureiho are pretty much the same. HI Peter I do not understand how you find tehym similar Qi Gong is a generic name of different /slightly similar routines Hatsurei Ho is a sort of meditation and there is one hatsurei -ho way of doing it it as far as i Know http://www.sharereiki.org/japan/hatsureiho.htm Thanks Namaste Theo -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed9ddcc.4518392@news.earthlink.net> References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> <3ED9B3F9.E9615291@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:05:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.148.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054465528 165.247.148.164 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:05:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:05:28 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!newsfeed1.fi.sn.net!fi.sn.net!newsfeed2.fi.sn.net!newsfeed1!bredband!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6727 On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:06:17 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >Peterz wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I agree that qigong and hatsureiho are pretty much the same. > >HI Peter > I do not understand how you find tehym similar > Qi Gong is a generic name of different /slightly similar routines >Hatsurei Ho is a sort of meditation and there is one hatsurei -ho way of doing >it it as far as i Know Theo, there are many types of qigong, and not all of them involve physical movement. Some, indeed are very much like hatsureiho, which, as you mention, is very much like a guided imagery meditation. But the qigong and the hatsureiho are working with qi/ki, and in that respect are diffferent from meditation, but like one another. It's the intent to specifically work with qi or ki that makes them qigong or kiko. >http://www.sharereiki.org/japan/hatsureiho.htm namaste, Garry ###### Message-ID: <3ED9F3B1.CF8150B6@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:38:09 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> <3ED9B3F9.E9615291@ch.inter.net> <3ed9ddcc.4518392@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B3C9D507BCB6C1F935CB92A6" NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054471078 62.203.115.54 (1 Jun 2003 14:37:58 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 152 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6580 --------------B3C9D507BCB6C1F935CB92A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nadie Niemand wrote: Ok I am wrong > Theo, there are many types of qigong, and not all of them involve > physical movement. I did not know ...all I have seen involve routines and movements otherwise is meditation as I call it sitting exercises that involve energy work like for small and big circulation but it is different from sitting for hatsurei-ho are we playing with words or angles of perception ? > Some, indeed are very much like hatsureiho, which, > as you mention, is very much like a guided imagery meditation. But the > qigong and the hatsureiho are working with qi/ki, and in that respect > are diffferent from meditation, but like one another. It's the intent > to specifically work with qi or ki that makes them qigong or kiko. here what is said in little in teh page I sent just before Gasho """ Just a comment here: I have a lot of experiences with Kriya Yoga, which is basically a breathing technique. In years of Kriya practice I have learned that breathing exercises are very powerful and effective. But they tend to be a bit "sharp". Our lungs, blood system and especially brain are simply not used to fresh blood inflow. So, I suggest you to take it slow and to breath normally and take step 2 once and then breath normally some more and only then do it again. Repeat this a few times to fill your body with energy. Then again breathe normally for some time and after a while use step 3. If you get headaches then know you are overdoing this breathing technique. """" So all breathing teckniques deal in one way or another with Qi ,Prana or KI and in all you direct the flow wher you want under this aspect yes all are a sort of Hatsurei- ho and Hatsurei -ho is a sort of Qi Gong or Pranayama or whatever one wants to call it .. right or... Am I blind to this point ? I am really feeling lost Thanks for the feed back Namaste Theo > > > >http://www.sharereiki.org/japan/hatsureiho.htm > > namaste, > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ --------------B3C9D507BCB6C1F935CB92A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Nadie Niemand wrote:
 Ok  I am wrong

Theo, there are many types of qigong, and not all of them involve
physical movement.
 I did not know ...all I have seen involve routines and movements
 otherwise is meditation  as I call it
 sitting exercises  that involve energy work  like for  small and  big circulation but it is different from  sitting for hatsurei-ho
 are we playing with   words or angles of perception ?
Some, indeed are very much like hatsureiho, which,
as you mention, is very much like a guided imagery meditation. But the
qigong and the hatsureiho are working with qi/ki, and in that respect
are diffferent from meditation, but like one another. It's the intent
to specifically work with qi or ki that makes them qigong or kiko.


 here  what is said in little in teh page I sent just before Gasho
"""
               Just a comment here:
               I have a lot of experiences with Kriya Yoga, which is basically a breathing technique.
               In years of Kriya practice I have learned that breathing exercises are very powerful and
               effective. But they tend to be a bit "sharp". Our lungs, blood system and especially brain
                are simply not used     to fresh blood inflow.
               So, I suggest you to take it slow and to breath normally and take step 2 once and then breath normally
               some more
               and only then do it again. Repeat this a few times to fill your body with energy.
               Then again breathe normally for some time and after a while use step 3.
               If you get headaches then know you are overdoing this breathing technique. """"

 So all breathing teckniques  deal in one way or another with Qi  ,Prana  or KI  and in all you direct  the flow  wher you want

 under this aspect  yes  all are  a sort of Hatsurei- ho and  Hatsurei -ho is a sort of  Qi Gong or Pranayama or  whatever one wants to call it ..
 right or...

 Am I blind to this point ? I am really feeling lost
 Thanks for the feed back
 Namaste
 Theo
 

 

>http://www.sharereiki.org/japan/hatsureiho.htm

namaste,

Garry

--
How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me?
 Theo
http://www.byjoke.com/
  --------------B3C9D507BCB6C1F935CB92A6-- ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:23:31 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> <3ED9B3F9.E9615291@ch.inter.net> <3ed9ddcc.4518392@news.earthlink.net> <3ED9F3B1.CF8150B6@ch.inter.net> Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:21:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.217.123.253 X-Trace: sv3-Yrx7w6zryZNFyCvXJPOjpCvRqPTSbBdNGve8irG5IjuVijtoSBHZVWWuPiEoZ1b4TE89X1joDkTxv8R!q3amR1AIGj5XuFHF5t/lFjyVjfO7ynzSyVeCpN6SUps9qgBTGI0xkQF0sE9pPyp0tL42ITg0yP4C X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6698 Theo: I think that this is kind of how we got here: someone used the term Reiji-ho to mean something different from what the rest of us understand it to mean. If I say standing post qigong, everyone who does that should know what I mean (plus or minus local variation). If you say hatsurei-ho, there should be agreement (plus or minus...) In addition, all we can do is type to one another. Language is very limited in this realm. If we could show each other what we are doing, much confusion would disappear. This is why an internal energy list that I used to be on ended almost every thread with "It has to be shown". Peterz www.onreiki.com "Theo" wrote in message news:3ED9F3B1.CF8150B6@ch.inter.net... Nadie Niemand wrote: Ok I am wrong Theo, there are many types of qigong, and not all of them involve physical movement. I did not know ...all I have seen involve routines and movements otherwise is meditation as I call it sitting exercises that involve energy work like for small and big circulation but it is different from sitting for hatsurei-ho are we playing with words or angles of perception ? Some, indeed are very much like hatsureiho, which, as you mention, is very much like a guided imagery meditation. But the qigong and the hatsureiho are working with qi/ki, and in that respect are diffferent from meditation, but like one another. It's the intent to specifically work with qi or ki that makes them qigong or kiko. here what is said in little in teh page I sent just before Gasho """ Just a comment here: I have a lot of experiences with Kriya Yoga, which is basically a breathing technique. In years of Kriya practice I have learned that breathing exercises are very powerful and effective. But they tend to be a bit "sharp". Our lungs, blood system and especially brain are simply not used to fresh blood inflow. So, I suggest you to take it slow and to breath normally and take step 2 once and then breath normally some more and only then do it again. Repeat this a few times to fill your body with energy. Then again breathe normally for some time and after a while use step 3. If you get headaches then know you are overdoing this breathing technique. """" So all breathing teckniques deal in one way or another with Qi ,Prana or KI and in all you direct the flow wher you want under this aspect yes all are a sort of Hatsurei- ho and Hatsurei -ho is a sort of Qi Gong or Pranayama or whatever one wants to call it .. right or... Am I blind to this point ? I am really feeling lost Thanks for the feed back Namaste Theo >http://www.sharereiki.org/japan/hatsureiho.htm namaste, Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3EDA1CB7.8F1BFF07@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:33:11 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiji-Ho. References: <0PmcnQRVWM2O8UujXTWcow@magma.ca> <3ED8C542.3CDA@nidlink.com> <3ED9B3F9.E9615291@ch.inter.net> <3ed9ddcc.4518392@news.earthlink.net> <3ED9F3B1.CF8150B6@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.115.54 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1054481578 62.203.115.54 (1 Jun 2003 17:32:58 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 10 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6600 OK I start from theh beginning of teh thread with Jo I see now what's the switching point Thanks and sorry :-) Your slave :-) Theo > T