From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:52:24 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-420.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeed.lhr.globix.net!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6266 I have a friend whom I've known for a very long time, someone who has long been attuned and practicing in one of the Canadian Takata lineages. We don't see each other too often but when we do we catch up personally and philosophically. She put the question to me (a mere 35-month attunee) 'why, after years of spiritual practice and Reiki self healing and so on, do we not feel filled with spirit all the time? Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a lot of the time?' I told her that my way of looking at it was simply my own, and that (this is just a paraphrase) I felt it was so we could work with the precepts and develop some personal strength to go along with our tendency to rely on spirit (whether we term spirit "Reiki," "God or Goddess," "Higher Self," or whatever). I post this because I'm sure each of you has asked this question of yourself and I'm curious about how you think of it or how you would express it to someone in candid conversation. Namaskar, montane ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:55 +0100 (BST) Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053791744 1929772 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6418 (montane) wrote: > I post this because I'm sure each of you has asked this question of > yourself and I'm curious about how you think of it or how you would > express it to someone in candid conversation. Interesting question ... and I think the clue is in the title ... Someone recently (I think it was Judy) said "Life is Reiki" ... And yes, for me personally (for that is all that it can be) is the situation .. First it was "Me", then it was Reiki, then it was living Reiki, then it was subsumed into living as a philosophy and a new perspective on the world and its happenings ... there is no real distinction apart from the actual practice ... The only thing which troubles my mind is that I can be compassionate and dispassionate at the same time ... The Spirit .. whatever you want to call it .. is there .. Reiki helped me recognise it ... although if you want to keep one foot in each camp (secular and gnostic), you have to compromise in that trials and tribulations will still occur, but it's part of the growth process which Reiki enables ... Like peeling the skins off an onion ... an unfoldment ... Stuart ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:14:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1053792859 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 24 May 2003 10:14:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:14:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!propagator2-SanJose!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6495 Hi Montane, I believe this question to be one of the major issues for human beings. It is also expressed like, "How come my prince/princess turned out to be a frog?", "How come my boss/partner/parents don't understand me?", "I spent years climbing the ladder and still can't get no satisfaction!" For a simple, short answer (which I believe rips us off) maybe we ARE always filled with the spirit and we have a flawed definition of what that is 'supposed' to look or 'feel' like. I have heard the phrase, 'How you do anything is how you do everything.' If we look into our lives and have the same question about other things that we have about Reiki, maybe that could be a clue that the question exposes another 'human condition' and not a specific problem. Maybe "To be human is to feel unfulfilled." Then we could inquire into all the reasons why this is so. A very important topic, montane, because it may take another cut at 'intention', 'expectations', etc.! Am presently exploring 'the dark side of life' as a necessary and powerful aid to healing. Does Reiki have one? If so, is NOT being filled with the spirit also very valuable? Rich montane wrote: > > > She put the question to me (a mere 35-month attunee) 'why, after years of > spiritual practice and Reiki self healing and so on, do we not feel filled > with spirit all the time? Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a > lot of the time?' > > I told her that my way of looking at it was simply my own, and that (this is > just a paraphrase) I felt it was so we could work with the precepts and > develop some personal strength to go along with our tendency to rely on > spirit (whether we term spirit "Reiki," "God or Goddess," "Higher Self," or > whatever). > > ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:45:28 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1053794747 25625 194.222.30.223 (24 May 2003 16:45:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:45:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6339 Stuart Vernon writes >Someone recently (I think it was Judy) said "Life is Reiki" ... > Yeah, it was me said more or less that. And I still agree with myself, which is gratifying ... ... as someone once said to me: "No-one said living with Reiki is easy" Equally, no-one ever led me to think that I would "feel filled with spirit all the time" which is great, because not having built up that expectation, I haven't been disappointed when it doesn't happen. Life's a cycle with joys, sorrows, highs, lows, fulfilment & whatever the opposite of them is. I guess the trick is to learn to embrace the whole lot with gratitude & shelve the judgements as to whether "this" is a better result than "that". "Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a lot of the time?" Because we've chosen to. Working with Reiki is an eye opener in the widest sense. I believe it has the effect of accelerating development by bringing areas of our existence to our attention that otherwise wouldn't have come to light. We have the option whether to address those areas or ignore them again ... but in my experience if we do ignore them, they have a habit of cropping up again and again if we don't put the ego aside and surrender with grace the first time ... -- Judy http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### Message-ID: <3ECFA239.45605B5F@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:47:53 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053794838 62.203.125.225 (24 May 2003 18:47:18 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 45 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6193 Stuart Vernon wrote: > (montane) wrote: > > > I post this because I'm sure each of you has asked this question of > > yourself and I'm curious about how you think of it or how you would > > express it to someone in candid conversation. > > The Spirit .. whatever you want to call it .. is there .. Reiki helped > me recognise it ... although if you want to keep one foot in each > camp (secular and gnostic), you have to compromise in that trials > and tribulations will still occur, but it's part of the growth process > which Reiki enables ... > > Like peeling the skins off an onion ... an unfoldment ... until you reach the deepest core .. and find nothing :-) I am jocking..(that is what Khrisnamourti said ) I think that one has really to become 100% reiki minded.. It takes probably time according how we are .. I noticed a lot of changes in me since I started Reiki it is not overnight as with a magic wand.. from the inside one has to spread outward after all we have a whole life Started 2nd reiki Book from Petter .. and he says that according old sytle Reiki some people spent all their life in level 1 or sometimes 2 each had a different way of approaching it so . doing 1 level per week end and sometimes 3 attunemnts in one and we expect miracles .. c'mon ladies and gentlements le'ts be a little bit dispassionate as Stuart positively says ! just my 2 etc etc as usual theo > > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ECFA5E7.D9263C8C@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:03:36 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053795780 62.203.125.225 (24 May 2003 19:03:00 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 50 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6233 Hi Montane montane wrote: > I have a friend whom I've known for a very long time, someone who has long > been attuned and practicing in one of the Canadian Takata lineages. We don't > see each other too often but when we do we catch up personally and > philosophically. > > She put the question to me (a mere 35-month attunee) 'why, after years of > spiritual practice and Reiki self healing and so on, do we not feel filled > with spirit all the time? Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a > lot of the time?' > Easy answer you can find il all Bibles or stories of holy men Doubt in what we are doing , for some was a temptation from Evil , all Charismatic peop, saints had a moment they douted . Even Jesus had it , and all others holy men .. some found in praying the force some other punished them physically, some other took a retreat and meditate as hermit to overtake that doubt some others risgned.. your friend is expecting to have found the Promised land..and adamantine faith in what she does.. she has to face some inner growth probably Some douted all their life and struggled like hell to find the truth following teh path tehy choosed each has its own way to answer to the quest Theo > > I told her that my way of looking at it was simply my own, and that (this is > just a paraphrase) I felt it was so we could work with the precepts and > develop some personal strength to go along with our tendency to rely on > spirit (whether we term spirit "Reiki," "God or Goddess," "Higher Self," or > whatever). > > I post this because I'm sure each of you has asked this question of yourself > and I'm curious about how you think of it or how you would express it to > someone in candid conversation. > > Namaskar, > > montane -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3ECFA5A4.EB03EC88@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:04:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1053795864 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 24 May 2003 11:04:24 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:04:24 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6499 Stuart Vernon wrote: > > > The only thing which troubles my mind is that I can be compassionate > and dispassionate at the same time ... > Aha! Caught in the act of being human! Rich ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:45 +0100 (BST) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3ECFA5A4.EB03EC88@shaw.ca> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053798309 1917180 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6417 (Rich) wrote: > Stuart Vernon wrote: > > > The only thing which troubles my mind is that I can be compassionate > > and dispassionate at the same time ... > > Aha! Caught in the act of being human! Sorry ... sackcloth and ashes for me for the next 5 years .. ;) Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:45 +0100 (BST) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3ECFA239.45605B5F@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053798310 1917180 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6427 (Theo) wrote: > until you reach the deepest core .. and find nothing :-) That's the idea ... > I am jocking..(that is what Khrisnamourti said ) Krishnamurti was a stand-up comedian? Stuart ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 17:59:56 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 63 Message-ID: <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-215.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6277 To explain my friend's situation, or the aspects I know of: she has two daughters (17 and 20, I believe), has been divorced twice and had other relationships of longer and shorter duration -- all in the past. Worked as a practical nurse in a hospital until the work injured her back, at which time she was also dealing with some chronic fatigue. She was in an auto accident a little under two years ago, and injured her hip. Formerly enjoyed gardening, but now finds it too physically demanding. She was driving her own car when the accident occurred, and I believe that the money she got from insurance was fairly limited. Plus social-welfare payments in our province have been reduced and made more restrictive. Among the positive factors, she has been attuned to Reiki for something like 15 or 18 years, is attuned to Level III, and previously had some experience in studying the Western metaphysical traditions, a little meditation practice, had visted Findhorn in Scotland, etc, etc. I'm enjoying the thread. Please add more. montane On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:14:19 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hi Montane, >I believe this question to be one of the major issues for human beings. >It is also >expressed like, "How come my prince/princess turned out to be a frog?", >"How come my boss/partner/parents don't understand me?", "I spent years >climbing the ladder and >still can't get no satisfaction!" >For a simple, short answer (which I believe rips us off) maybe we ARE >always filled with the spirit and we have a flawed definition of what >that is 'supposed' to look or 'feel' like. >I have heard the phrase, 'How you do anything is how you do everything.' >If we look into our lives and have the same question about other things >that we have about Reiki, maybe that could be a clue that the >question exposes another 'human condition' and not a specific problem. >Maybe "To be human is to feel unfulfilled." Then we could inquire into >all the reasons why this is so. >A very important topic, montane, because it may take another cut at >'intention', 'expectations', etc.! >Am presently exploring 'the dark side of life' as a necessary and >powerful aid to healing. Does Reiki have one? If so, is NOT being filled >with the spirit also very valuable? >Rich > >montane wrote: >> >> >> She put the question to me (a mere 35-month attunee) 'why, after years of >> spiritual practice and Reiki self healing and so on, do we not feel filled >> with spirit all the time? Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a >> lot of the time?' >> >> I told her that my way of looking at it was simply my own, and that (this is >> just a paraphrase) I felt it was so we could work with the precepts and >> develop some personal strength to go along with our tendency to rely on >> spirit (whether we term spirit "Reiki," "God or Goddess," "Higher Self," or >> whatever). >> >> ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3ECFB949.312A1C8@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFA5A4.EB03EC88@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:28:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1053800892 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 24 May 2003 12:28:12 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:28:12 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.21.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!east.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6477 For us students of human nature, you continually provide much stuff on which to muse. Your depth has become commonplace to you so we have to be careful not to skip over your words......(pause..to allow Stuart to get through his "Who me? Aw, shucks, tweren't nothin'!") You see, there is a lot of humanness in 'owning' the dispassionate side and not trying to be 'dispassionate/covering it up'. I once attended a lecture by a gentleman who introduced himself as an arrogant SOB and wanted us to be clear about that so we wouldn't have to spend time pondering whether he was or wasn't. Well, he definitely was! However, we saw it as a part of us all....and having resolved that issue, we could concentrate on his topic. Extremely arrogant, effective speaker! Now, I suppose there are those who would say, "Well, if he handled the arrogance, he would be MORE effective." Maybe. Maybe not. And I doubt it. Can dispassionateness make a difference on the planet? You bet! Rich Stuart Vernon wrote: > > (Rich) wrote: > > > Stuart Vernon wrote: > > > > > The only thing which troubles my mind is that I can be compassionate > > > and dispassionate at the same time ... > > > > Aha! Caught in the act of being human! > > Sorry ... sackcloth and ashes for me for the next 5 years .. ;) > > Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:50 +0100 (BST) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053802239 2096789 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6423 (Judy Rigby) wrote: > ... as someone once said to me: "No-one said living with Reiki is easy" That is a truism ... and it would seem that if one half of a couple has done Reiki and the other hasn't, the gap widens to destruction .. Stuart ###### Message-ID: <3ECFC77D.81DF25DA@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:26:53 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFA5A4.EB03EC88@shaw.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7BE97A2A58AD57B26A9BC0D4" NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053804377 62.203.125.225 (24 May 2003 21:26:17 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 63 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6248 --------------7BE97A2A58AD57B26A9BC0D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Rich) wrote: > > > Stuart Vernon wrote: > > > > > The only thing which troubles my mind is that I can be compassionate > > > and dispassionate at the same time ... > > > > Aha! Caught in the act of being human! > > Sorry ... sackcloth and ashes for me for the next 5 years .. ;) does it worth? change instead if you think you are wrong .. Theo > > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ --------------7BE97A2A58AD57B26A9BC0D4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

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> Stuart Vernon wrote:
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> Aha! Caught in the act of being human! <g>

Sorry ... sackcloth and ashes for me for the next 5 years .. ;)

 does it worth? change instead if you think you are wrong ..
Theo
 

Stuart

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How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me?
 Theo
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  --------------7BE97A2A58AD57B26A9BC0D4-- ###### Message-ID: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:27:32 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFA239.45605B5F@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053804415 62.203.125.225 (24 May 2003 21:26:55 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 27 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6245 Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Theo) wrote: > > > until you reach the deepest core .. and find nothing :-) > > That's the idea ... > > > I am jocking..(that is what Khrisnamourti said ) > > Krishnamurti was a stand-up comedian? nope a genious! Theo > > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ECFCC5D.F71DBDBD@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:47:42 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053805626 62.203.125.225 (24 May 2003 21:47:06 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 75 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6262 well she is amking a balance of her life and is disstisfied In the Bible Lot was told not to look back otherwise would have become of salt ! Life is lived foreward but understood backckwards.. I am sorry for her but shehas to learn by her previuos experiences.. Theo montane wrote: > To explain my friend's situation, or the aspects I know of: she has two > daughters (17 and 20, I believe), has been divorced twice and had other > relationships of longer and shorter duration -- all in the past. Worked as a > practical nurse in a hospital until the work injured her back, at which time > she was also dealing with some chronic fatigue. She was in an auto accident > a little under two years ago, and injured her hip. Formerly enjoyed > gardening, but now finds it too physically demanding. She was driving her > own car when the accident occurred, and I believe that the money she got from > insurance was fairly limited. Plus social-welfare payments in our province > have been reduced and made more restrictive. > > Among the positive factors, she has been attuned to Reiki for something like > 15 or 18 years, is attuned to Level III, and previously had some experience > in studying the Western metaphysical traditions, a little meditation > practice, had visted Findhorn in Scotland, etc, etc. > > I'm enjoying the thread. Please add more. > > montane > > On Sat, 24 May 2003 16:14:19 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Hi Montane, > >I believe this question to be one of the major issues for human beings. > >It is also > >expressed like, "How come my prince/princess turned out to be a frog?", > >"How come my boss/partner/parents don't understand me?", "I spent years > >climbing the ladder and > >still can't get no satisfaction!" > >For a simple, short answer (which I believe rips us off) maybe we ARE > >always filled with the spirit and we have a flawed definition of what > >that is 'supposed' to look or 'feel' like. > >I have heard the phrase, 'How you do anything is how you do everything.' > >If we look into our lives and have the same question about other things > >that we have about Reiki, maybe that could be a clue that the > >question exposes another 'human condition' and not a specific problem. > >Maybe "To be human is to feel unfulfilled." Then we could inquire into > >all the reasons why this is so. > >A very important topic, montane, because it may take another cut at > >'intention', 'expectations', etc.! > >Am presently exploring 'the dark side of life' as a necessary and > >powerful aid to healing. Does Reiki have one? If so, is NOT being filled > >with the spirit also very valuable? > >Rich > > > >montane wrote: > >> > >> > >> She put the question to me (a mere 35-month attunee) 'why, after years of > >> spiritual practice and Reiki self healing and so on, do we not feel filled > >> with spirit all the time? Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a > >> lot of the time?' > >> > >> I told her that my way of looking at it was simply my own, and that (this is > >> just a paraphrase) I felt it was so we could work with the precepts and > >> develop some personal strength to go along with our tendency to rely on > >> spirit (whether we term spirit "Reiki," "God or Goddess," "Higher Self," or > >> whatever). > >> > >> -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:48:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1053805701 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 24 May 2003 13:48:21 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:48:21 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6493 Very difficult to speak of some particular person without their presence. Only they can speak for themself authentically. Our assessment of the situation could be a bit off course. The best we can do is speak of us humans in general, knowing she is one of us. To be blunt, sounds like this gal needs a personal life coach. If she is not coachable, well......... Oh, and finding a coach with whom you mostly agree should raise the suspicion that the 'new strategies' are probably what you've already been using. Rich montane wrote: > > To explain my friend's situation, > ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3ECFCC91.72CFBF01@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:50:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1053805829 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 24 May 2003 13:50:29 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:50:29 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6498 Do I detect a bit of sadness there? Stuart Vernon wrote: > > (Judy Rigby) wrote: > > > ... as someone once said to me: "No-one said living with Reiki is easy" > > That is a truism ... and it would seem that if one half of a couple has > done Reiki and the other hasn't, the gap widens to destruction .. > > Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:25 +0100 (BST) Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3ECFB949.312A1C8@shaw.ca> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053807919 2165754 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6415 (Rich) wrote: > For us students of human nature, you continually provide much stuff on > which to muse. > Your depth has become commonplace to you so we have to be careful not to > skip over your words......(pause..to allow Stuart to get through his > "Who me? Aw, shucks, tweren't nothin'!") Who? Me? No sweat, but thanks for the testimonial ... > You see, there is a lot of humanness in 'owning' the dispassionate side > and not trying to be 'dispassionate/covering it up'. Algeria earthquake .. 1700 dead .. how does one one outside the area view? > Can dispassionateness make a difference on the planet? You bet! Practical. Stuart ###### Message-ID: <3ECFD7B5.FC605C21@ch.inter.net> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:36:05 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFB949.312A1C8@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.125.225 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053808528 62.203.125.225 (24 May 2003 22:35:28 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 33 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6221 1700? My God ! I do not follow the news I hate news! Theo Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Rich) wrote: > > > For us students of human nature, you continually provide much stuff on > > which to muse. > > Your depth has become commonplace to you so we have to be careful not to > > skip over your words......(pause..to allow Stuart to get through his > > "Who me? Aw, shucks, tweren't nothin'!") > > Who? Me? No sweat, but thanks for the testimonial ... > > > You see, there is a lot of humanness in 'owning' the dispassionate side > > and not trying to be 'dispassionate/covering it up'. > > Algeria earthquake .. 1700 dead .. how does one one outside the area view? > > > Can dispassionateness make a difference on the planet? You bet! > > Practical. > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:52 +0100 (BST) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3ECFCC91.72CFBF01@shaw.ca> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053809550 1746170 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6426 (Rich) wrote: > Do I detect a bit of sadness there? Yes, but not here ... I know quite a few R friends whose relationships have blown apart ... Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:52 +0100 (BST) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053809550 1746170 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6429 (Theo) wrote: > > Krishnamurti was a stand-up comedian? > > nope a genious! Puns are lost on you mate ... never mind, you're just as lovely as you are .... ;) Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:12 +0100 (BST) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3ECFC77D.81DF25DA@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053810733 2077817 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6419 Theo) wrote: > > > Aha! Caught in the act of being human! > > > > Sorry ... sackcloth and ashes for me for the next 5 years .. ;) > > does it worth? change instead if you think you are wrong .. That I am not human? .... OK .. Nanu Nanu .. Mork calling .. ;) Stuart ###### From: "Daemon Werird" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:13:36 +0200 Organization: IskonInternet d.d. Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <3ECFB949.312A1C8@shaw.ca> <3ECFD7B5.FC605C21@ch.inter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: zg05-193.dialin.iskon.hr X-Trace: sunce.iskon.hr 1053810827 23006 213.191.138.194 (24 May 2003 21:13:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iskon.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2003 21:13:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-feed1.de1.concert.net!fu-berlin.de!Iskon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6263 well, i do not allso, but if you do really have sense of the world arround you, you can exists out of the mutual conscesness, and allso can feel the world outside, because if you do separate from the world arround you, how can you do react when the reaction is needed. what is the mechanism of beeing compassion when you need to reach uncompassionated stage to reach enlightment. where do you put your compassion when you do see poor men digging in the trashcan for leftovers of yours yesterdays supper..:-). is it possible to understand your trully self, when you do shut off the cry of your own soul and do not react when you do see unjustice. do you speak thruth allways. is there situations when you avoid thruth when you push on your ego in front of you. me myself and i do think about a lot theese few months... so maybe that was the reason ..... hi, i`m back LLE :-) your life away "Theo" wrote in message news:3ECFD7B5.FC605C21@ch.inter.net... > 1700? My God ! > I do not follow the news I hate news! > Theo > > Stuart Vernon wrote: > > > (Rich) wrote: > > > > > For us students of human nature, you continually provide much stuff on > > > which to muse. > > > Your depth has become commonplace to you so we have to be careful not to > > > skip over your words......(pause..to allow Stuart to get through his > > > "Who me? Aw, shucks, tweren't nothin'!") > > > > Who? Me? No sweat, but thanks for the testimonial ... > > > > > You see, there is a lot of humanness in 'owning' the dispassionate side > > > and not trying to be 'dispassionate/covering it up'. > > > > Algeria earthquake .. 1700 dead .. how does one one outside the area view? > > > > > Can dispassionateness make a difference on the planet? You bet! > > > > Practical. > > > > Stuart > > -- > How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? > Theo > http://www.byjoke.com/ > > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:26 +0100 (BST) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053811614 2160797 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6432 (Daemon Werird) wrote: > hi, i`m back Yo! mate ... ;) Stuart PS .. your reply name has been misspelt ... ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed04770.2672022@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC77D.81DF25DA@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 04:25:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.158.240 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053836756 165.247.158.240 (Sat, 24 May 2003 21:25:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:25:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6283 On Sat, 24 May 2003 22:12 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >That I am not human? .... OK .. Nanu Nanu .. Mork calling .. ;) Hmmm, I pictured you more as the Alf type, myself.... ;-) Garry ###### Message-ID: <3ED06D91.97143F86@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:15:30 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFCC91.72CFBF01@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.39.111 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.39.111 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053846895 213.3.39.111 (25 May 2003 09:14:55 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 26 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6166 But this is life most of marriages/ unions knows problems many split many others find a compromise love changes with time and is different from the teens' passion when you'll be 40 or 50 .. either you adapt or you split ! Theo Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Rich) wrote: > > > Do I detect a bit of sadness there? > > Yes, but not here ... I know quite a few R friends > whose relationships have blown apart ... > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:08 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.39.111 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.39.111 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053847113 213.3.39.111 (25 May 2003 09:18:33 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 28 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6153 I am sure I am loosing a lot of intellectual stimulation with you Stuart I appreciate your efforts and I am sad you are getting frustrated with my rought sense of humour But I appreciate you a lot even if I cannot always follow your lovely jokes it is cultural :-) Theo Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Theo) wrote: > > > > Krishnamurti was a stand-up comedian? > > > > nope a genious! > > Puns are lost on you mate ... never mind, you're > just as lovely as you are .... ;) > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED06F0F.81ED4BAC@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:21:52 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC77D.81DF25DA@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.39.111 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.39.111 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053847277 213.3.39.111 (25 May 2003 09:21:17 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 28 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6235 Stuart Vernon wrote: > Theo) wrote: > > > > > Aha! Caught in the act of being human! > > > > > > Sorry ... sackcloth and ashes for me for the next 5 years .. ;) > > > > does it worth? change instead if you think you are wrong .. > > That I am not human? .... OK .. Nanu Nanu .. Mork calling .. ;) No attempt to find an appropriate answer .. too hard for me LOL! Theo > > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED093CD.96692745@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 11:58:37 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFB949.312A1C8@shaw.ca> <3ECFD7B5.FC605C21@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053856682 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 11:58:02 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 67 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6170 Good to "read you here" Theo Daemon Werird wrote: > well, i do not allso, but if you do really have sense of the world arround > you, you can exists out of the mutual conscesness, and allso can feel the > world outside, because if you do separate from the world arround you, how > can you do react when the reaction is needed. what is the mechanism of > beeing compassion when you need to reach uncompassionated stage to reach > enlightment. where do you put your compassion when you do see poor men > digging in the trashcan for leftovers of yours yesterdays supper..:-). is it > possible to understand your trully self, when you do shut off the cry of > your own soul and do not react when you do see unjustice. do you speak > thruth allways. is there situations when you avoid thruth when you push on > your ego in front of you. me myself and i do think about a lot theese few > months... so maybe that was the reason ..... > hi, i`m back > > LLE > :-) your life away > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:3ECFD7B5.FC605C21@ch.inter.net... > > 1700? My God ! > > I do not follow the news I hate news! > > Theo > > > > Stuart Vernon wrote: > > > > > (Rich) wrote: > > > > > > > For us students of human nature, you continually provide much stuff on > > > > which to muse. > > > > Your depth has become commonplace to you so we have to be careful not > to > > > > skip over your words......(pause..to allow Stuart to get through his > > > > "Who me? Aw, shucks, tweren't nothin'!") > > > > > > Who? Me? No sweat, but thanks for the testimonial ... > > > > > > > You see, there is a lot of humanness in 'owning' the dispassionate > side > > > > and not trying to be 'dispassionate/covering it up'. > > > > > > Algeria earthquake .. 1700 dead .. how does one one outside the area > view? > > > > > > > Can dispassionateness make a difference on the planet? You bet! > > > > > > Practical. > > > > > > Stuart > > > > -- > > How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? > > Theo > > http://www.byjoke.com/ > > > > -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED096A9.F6BABB38@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:10:49 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC77D.81DF25DA@ch.inter.net> <3ed04770.2672022@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053857413 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 12:10:13 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 24 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6226 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2003 22:12 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) > wrote: > > >That I am not human? .... OK .. Nanu Nanu .. Mork calling .. ;) > > Hmmm, I pictured you more as the Alf type, myself.... ;-) Tha's it !!same kind.. but a little bit more charming indeed Theo > > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:26 +0100 (BST) Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3ed04770.2672022@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053861981 2504710 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6440 (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > Hmmm, I pictured you more as the Alf type, myself.... ;-) Or the Jolly Green Giant .. ;) Stuart ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 11:39:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053862769 165.247.162.201 (Sun, 25 May 2003 04:39:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 04:39:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6314 On Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:08 +0200, Theo wrote: >I am sure I am loosing a lot of intellectual stimulation with you Stuart That, you are--"loosing" would mean "releasing"! And you probably typed that on purpose instead of "losing", which is a very clever witticism. This is why we love melded broken chocolate! ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### Message-ID: <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 14:21:55 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053865279 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 14:21:19 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 28 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6181 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:08 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >I am sure I am loosing a lot of intellectual stimulation with you Stuart > > That, you are--"loosing" would mean "releasing"! And you probably > typed that on purpose instead of "losing", which is a very clever > witticism. This is why we love melded broken chocolate! ;-) It was losing .. I learned that exist Loosing also... right now.. very stimulating indeed ! Theo > > > Love and Light, > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 15:18:52 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-820.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6275 On Sat, 24 May 2003 19:48:21 GMT, Rich wrote: >Very difficult to speak of some particular person without their >presence. Only they can >speak for themself authentically. Our assessment of the situation could >be a bit off course. I agree, Rich. >The best we can do is speak of us humans in general, >knowing she is one of us. Yes, this is the case. I only brought up the conversation and my friend's situation to introduce the topic, which is universal. And to ask: what do you say to people? I mean, here we are, attuned to Reiki, practicing it and maybe other methods of working with spirit, and yet we each have to deal with challenges, problems, dilemmas -- and we don't always feel to be in a state of grace, surrounded by love and full of confidence. >To be blunt, sounds like this gal needs a personal life coach. >If she is not coachable, well......... Again -- obviously you are right. Yes, a life coach might be good, if the person will listen. Some people find a wise and mature individual, a friend, to be their confidant and mentor. Nevertheless, in many instances one simply has to "tough it out" in life, no? >Oh, and finding a coach with whom you mostly agree should raise the >suspicion that the 'new strategies' >are probably what you've already been using. > Like I say, I raised the question with something quite universal in mind. We have been blessed to discover Reiki and get attuned. Yet there is the philosophical issue of suffering and what to do about it. As I alluded to in my original post on this thread. We accept that "everything is as it should be," yet still we deal with very difficult stuff sometimes. And I told my friend that my way of looking at it was: these situations give us the opportunity to work with the precepts and develop some personal strength to go along with our willingness to rely on spirit. montane ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:19:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053879571 165.247.136.61 (Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6323 On Sun, 25 May 2003 14:21:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:08 +0200, Theo wrote: >> >> >I am sure I am loosing a lot of intellectual stimulation with you Stuart >> >> That, you are--"loosing" would mean "releasing"! And you probably >> typed that on purpose instead of "losing", which is a very clever >> witticism. This is why we love melded broken chocolate! ;-) > > It was losing .. I learned that exist Loosing also... right now.. very >stimulating indeed ! Happy coincidence, then? Hah! Those 6 Sulawesi crested macaques have got nothing on you! Just fyi, they are pronounced almost exactly the same, too. The only difference is that the 's' in 'losing' is voiced, and in 'loosing' it's unvoiced. Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0f0df.2120597@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:31:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053880289 165.247.136.61 (Sun, 25 May 2003 09:31:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:31:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6324 On Sun, 25 May 2003 16:19:31 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >Happy coincidence, then? Hah! Those 6 Sulawesi crested macaques have >got nothing on you! > > Just fyi, they are pronounced almost exactly the same, too. The only >difference is that the 's' in 'losing' is voiced, and in 'loosing' >it's unvoiced. Oh, yeah! 's' was the favorite letter of those Sulawesi crested macaques, too! Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0f19c.2309041@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:38:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053880724 165.247.136.61 (Sun, 25 May 2003 09:38:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:38:44 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6306 On Sun, 25 May 2003 15:18:52 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote: >Like I say, I raised the question with something quite universal in mind. We >have been blessed to discover Reiki and get attuned. Yet there is the >philosophical issue of suffering and what to do about it. As I alluded to in >my original post on this thread. We accept that "everything is as it should >be," yet still we deal with very difficult stuff sometimes. And I told my >friend that my way of looking at it was: these situations give us the >opportunity to work with the precepts and develop some personal strength to >go along with our willingness to rely on spirit. This may not be what you wanted to ask about, but what you wrote above, made me recall that each of us can only ever heal our ownself. So the best we can do for someone else's suffering is be kind and supportive (for instance by giving comfort, shelter, Reiki, by sharing our own experiences, etc) and if they heal themselves, great, but if they don't, we can't blame ourselves. But we can be kind to others. And probably one of the best kindnesses we can do them is to work on ourselves to get rid of the anger, worry etc so that we have more time to work on being compassionate. Just a spontaneous thought. YMMV, of course. namaskar, Garry ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3ED0F2F8.CD927F25@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:46:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1053881198 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 25 May 2003 10:46:38 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:46:38 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!206.252.192.28.MISMATCH!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6490 Hi Montane, Yep, I hear where you're coming from. And I actually got your compassion and caring for this person. I have had experiences where strangers 'benefit' from a session the way I wanted friends to. Hey, let ME be god for a week and let's see how much good/damage I do! montane wrote: > > I mean, here we are, attuned to Reiki, practicing it and maybe other methods > of working with spirit, and yet we each have to deal with challenges, > problems, dilemmas -- and we don't always feel to be in a state of grace, > surrounded by love and full of confidence. Is this why we spend our lives looking for the 'real answer'? > Nevertheless, in many instances one simply > has to "tough it out" in life, no? Hence the popularity of all those weekend courses in 'coping strategies'? > Like I say, I raised the question with something quite universal in mind. Exactly. How to deal with individual cases isn't as easy as speaking in general, right? Tougher yet if it's a friend. I heard this story that you may appreciate... This lady had been in therapy for several months, working on her fears of someone being under her bed. She was in the butcher shop one day, talking to her neighbor. Her neighbor asked her how the therapy was going. "Fine. Fine. The therapist says we are making progress. Will take some time, though." The butcher overheard the conversation and said, "Lady, you gotta fear of someone under your bed? Cut the legs offa your bed. No more problem!" in dealing with each other, sometimes we need to set the esoteric aside and 'cut the damned legs off the bed'! Rich ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:05:52 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:04:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.167.13 X-Trace: sv3-wIS2wT7gm6FCTPcFhurryHA8rabLykMIIw7K/ko3iPPn29M+Gxdk7LLD3MY5ssiQEaLIn8JwIXNm7e/!PSfznHtjyvZm8HMxex29jNp5oOlY+/23pP7I4QzC2q+4mvPNMcTAgcbCUM1MUXd+PIdN0LK4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!east.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6308 For me, Reiki is a "DO" - a "way". We follow a path, and just like anyone who does, there is wandering, and there are course corrections. We can trip when we are tired, even when we are on the path. The important thing is that we intend to get back up and continue following the path. Sometimes two paths converge - for me, Aikido and Reiki did that. But then they diverged, and I had to choose one. Why do we struggle? I do not know, but I do know that the nature of the struggles changes for me as I move along the path. They are different today from a year ago. Perhaps that is the answer - the challenges will never go away, but they will change. Just plodding along, Peter www.onreiki.com "montane" wrote in message news:3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com... > I have a friend whom I've known for a very long time, someone who has long > been attuned and practicing in one of the Canadian Takata lineages. We don't > see each other too often but when we do we catch up personally and > philosophically. > > She put the question to me (a mere 35-month attunee) 'why, after years of > spiritual practice and Reiki self healing and so on, do we not feel filled > with spirit all the time? Why do we still struggle with things in our lives a > lot of the time?' > > I told her that my way of looking at it was simply my own, and that (this is > just a paraphrase) I felt it was so we could work with the precepts and > develop some personal strength to go along with our tendency to rely on > spirit (whether we term spirit "Reiki," "God or Goddess," "Higher Self," or > whatever). > > I post this because I'm sure each of you has asked this question of yourself > and I'm curious about how you think of it or how you would express it to > someone in candid conversation. > > Namaskar, > > montane > ###### Message-ID: <3ED0F8AD.57F7BD76@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:09:01 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053882505 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 19:08:25 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 42 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6236 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 14:21:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:08 +0200, Theo wrote: > >> > >> >I am sure I am loosing a lot of intellectual stimulation with you Stuart > >> > >> That, you are--"loosing" would mean "releasing"! And you probably > >> typed that on purpose instead of "losing", which is a very clever > >> witticism. This is why we love melded broken chocolate! ;-) > > > > It was losing .. I learned that exist Loosing also... right now.. very > >stimulating indeed ! > > Happy coincidence, then? Hah! Those 6 Sulawesi crested macaques have > got nothing on you! ???????????? > > > Just fyi, they are pronounced almost exactly the same, too. The only > difference is that the 's' in 'losing' is voiced, and in 'loosing' > it's unvoiced. > I guessed so ! Theo -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0fb0f.4729106@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F8AD.57F7BD76@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:12:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053882760 165.247.136.61 (Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6325 On Sun, 25 May 2003 19:09:01 +0200, Theo wrote: > >> Happy coincidence, then? Hah! Those 6 Sulawesi crested macaques have >> got nothing on you! > > ???????????? That was a reference to the article that Stuart posted about the experiment with the monkeys to see if they would type up any literature. Obviously you were way more talented. It was a compliment. No, really! It was! Garry ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:42 -0700 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-167.imbris.com (216.18.141.167) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053882813 2768203 216.18.141.167 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-167.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6146 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sun, 25 May 2003 14:21:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 25 May 2003 09:19:08 +0200, Theo wrote: > >> > >> >I am sure I am loosing a lot of intellectual stimulation with you Stuart > >> > >> That, you are--"loosing" would mean "releasing"! And you probably > >> typed that on purpose instead of "losing", which is a very clever > >> witticism. This is why we love melded broken chocolate! ;-) > > > > It was losing .. I learned that exist Loosing also... right now.. very > >stimulating indeed ! > > Happy coincidence, then? Hah! Those 6 Sulawesi crested macaques have > got nothing on you! > > Just fyi, they are pronounced almost exactly the same, too. The only > difference is that the 's' in 'losing' is voiced, and in 'loosing' > it's unvoiced. > Not when I say them! Must be your southern accent. But the S in losing is harder, more like a Z than the S in loosing; that ones more of a C sound. (or the sound of S in... sound) namaste, sue ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0fbab.4884621@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:15:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053882940 165.247.136.61 (Sun, 25 May 2003 10:15:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:15:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6333 On Sun, 25 May 2003 13:04:05 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: >Sometimes two paths converge - for me, Aikido and Reiki did that. But then >they diverged, and I had to choose one. If you don't mind my asking, could you elaborate a little on that? I would be interested to hear how they converged and then diverged for you. I seem to be on a convergent path right now with taiji and Reiki, hence the interest in your experience. Garry ###### Message-ID: <3ED0FEAC.7AFC9F46@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:34:36 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> <3ed0f19c.2309041@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053884039 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 19:33:59 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 44 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6257 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 15:18:52 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) > wrote: > > >Like I say, I raised the question with something quite universal in mind. We > >have been blessed to discover Reiki and get attuned. Yet there is the > >philosophical issue of suffering and what to do about it. As I alluded to in > >my original post on this thread. We accept that "everything is as it should > >be," yet still we deal with very difficult stuff sometimes. And I told my > >friend that my way of looking at it was: these situations give us the > >opportunity to work with the precepts and develop some personal strength to > >go along with our willingness to rely on spirit. > > This may not be what you wanted to ask about, but what you wrote > above, made me recall that each of us can only ever heal our ownself. > So the best we can do for someone else's suffering is be kind and > supportive (for instance by giving comfort, shelter, Reiki, by sharing > our own experiences, etc) and if they heal themselves, great, but if > they don't, we can't blame ourselves. But we can be kind to others. > And probably one of the best kindnesses we can do them is to work on > ourselves to get rid of the anger, worry etc so that we have more time > to work on being compassionate. > > Just a spontaneous thought. YMMV, of course. Not bad at all Garry not bad ! Namaste Theo > > > namaskar, > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:34:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053884097 165.247.136.61 (Sun, 25 May 2003 10:34:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:34:57 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!east.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6316 On Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:42 -0700, suzee wrote: >Not when I say them! Must be your southern accent. But the S in >losing is harder, more like a Z than the S in loosing; that ones more of >a C sound. (or the sound of S in... sound) You say tomato, I say tomahto. Well, not really You just said the same thing I said, but with different words. I was just speaking in a more linguistically technical way. :-) The letters 'z' and 's' represent the "voiced" ('z' in zebra) and "unvoiced" ('s' in sound) variants of this sound respectively. So 'losing' = 'lu-zing' (voiced) and 'loosing' = 'lu-sing' (unvoiced). Except that most native English speakers would put the 'z' or 's' with the 'lu' and the 'ing' would be in the next syllable. I just divided them that way to make the value of the 's' clearer when I wrote 'lu-sing'. namaste, Garry ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 11:33:28 -0700 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3ED10C78.C34A4B53@nidlink.com> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-128.imbris.com (216.18.141.128) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053887660 2864073 216.18.141.128 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-128.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6144 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:42 -0700, suzee wrote: > > >Not when I say them! Must be your southern accent. But the S in > >losing is harder, more like a Z than the S in loosing; that ones more of > >a C sound. (or the sound of S in... sound) > > You say tomato, I say tomahto. Well, not really > > You just said the same thing I said, but with different words. I was > just speaking in a more linguistically technical way. :-) The > letters 'z' and 's' represent the "voiced" ('z' in zebra) and > "unvoiced" ('s' in sound) variants of this sound respectively. So > 'losing' = 'lu-zing' (voiced) and 'loosing' = 'lu-sing' (unvoiced). > Except that most native English speakers would put the 'z' or 's' with > the 'lu' and the 'ing' would be in the next syllable. I just divided > them that way to make the value of the 's' clearer when I wrote > 'lu-sing'. > > namaste, > > Garry OK. What you said.... I was just typing it out how it sounds to me when I same them.... Thanks. namaste, sue ###### Message-ID: <3ED10E2A.E8684BD2@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:40:43 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F8AD.57F7BD76@ch.inter.net> <3ed0fb0f.4729106@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053888005 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 20:40:05 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 26 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6206 Grrrrrrrrrrrrazie ( Thanks ) I take your word! ; -) Garry :-) Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 19:09:01 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > >> Happy coincidence, then? Hah! Those 6 Sulawesi crested macaques have > >> got nothing on you! > > > > ???????????? > > That was a reference to the article that Stuart posted about the > experiment with the monkeys to see if they would type up any > literature. Obviously you were way more talented. It was a compliment. > No, really! It was! > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED10E90.70A76E1C@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:42:25 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ed0fbab.4884621@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053888107 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 20:41:47 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 25 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6185 sometimes you are led to something that will be the step- link for something else dissolve et coagula Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 13:04:05 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > >Sometimes two paths converge - for me, Aikido and Reiki did that. But then > >they diverged, and I had to choose one. > > If you don't mind my asking, could you elaborate a little on that? I > would be interested to hear how they converged and then diverged for > you. I seem to be on a convergent path right now with taiji and Reiki, > hence the interest in your experience. > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 21:00:01 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053889163 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 20:59:23 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 36 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6189 In fact I realized that Americans have the habit to say things few times with in between * I mean " this means that you do not understand each others a matter of accent maybe? theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:42 -0700, suzee wrote: > > >Not when I say them! Must be your southern accent. But the S in > >losing is harder, more like a Z than the S in loosing; that ones more of > >a C sound. (or the sound of S in... sound) > > You say tomato, I say tomahto. Well, not really > > You just said the same thing I said, but with different words. I was > just speaking in a more linguistically technical way. :-) The > letters 'z' and 's' represent the "voiced" ('z' in zebra) and > "unvoiced" ('s' in sound) variants of this sound respectively. So > 'losing' = 'lu-zing' (voiced) and 'loosing' = 'lu-sing' (unvoiced). > Except that most native English speakers would put the 'z' or 's' with > the 'lu' and the 'ing' would be in the next syllable. I just divided > them that way to make the value of the 's' clearer when I wrote > 'lu-sing'. > > namaste, > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed11b01.12908107@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 56 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:32:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.160.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053891156 165.247.160.174 (Sun, 25 May 2003 12:32:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:32:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6302 On Sun, 25 May 2003 21:00:01 +0200, Theo wrote: >In fact I realized that Americans have the habit to say things few times >with in between * I mean " > this means that you do not understand each others > a matter of accent maybe? If I understand your reference correctly, it's more just a filler to take up time and hold the speaker's place in the conversation while frantically trying to think of something (hopefully) intelligent to say. Sounds only slightly better than "...ummmm...." or "...uhhhhh...". Example: I just wanted to...um...tell you...I mean...like...well...that I think you're kinda...you know...neat! Or were you referring to a different usage of the phrase? Garry > theo > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:42 -0700, suzee wrote: >> >> >Not when I say them! Must be your southern accent. But the S in >> >losing is harder, more like a Z than the S in loosing; that ones more of >> >a C sound. (or the sound of S in... sound) >> >> You say tomato, I say tomahto. Well, not really >> >> You just said the same thing I said, but with different words. I was >> just speaking in a more linguistically technical way. :-) The >> letters 'z' and 's' represent the "voiced" ('z' in zebra) and >> "unvoiced" ('s' in sound) variants of this sound respectively. So >> 'losing' = 'lu-zing' (voiced) and 'loosing' = 'lu-sing' (unvoiced). >> Except that most native English speakers would put the 'z' or 's' with >> the 'lu' and the 'ing' would be in the next syllable. I just divided >> them that way to make the value of the 's' clearer when I wrote >> 'lu-sing'. >> >> namaste, >> >> Garry > >-- >How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? > Theo >http://www.byjoke.com/ > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed11c6b.13270107@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> <3ed0f19c.2309041@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0FEAC.7AFC9F46@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:33:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.160.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053891229 165.247.160.174 (Sun, 25 May 2003 12:33:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:33:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6319 On Sun, 25 May 2003 19:34:36 +0200, Theo wrote: >Not bad at all Garry not bad ! Does this mean I'm not evil? namaste, Garry ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 14:51:03 -0500 From: "Peterz" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ed0fbab.4884621@news.earthlink.net> <3ED10E90.70A76E1C@ch.inter.net> Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 15:47:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2f6dnaAm84c6g0yjXTWcqQ@magma.ca> Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.167.13 X-Trace: sv3-Yb6BbGS8tugZnMj7lntzXFo44m8VdtvFm5Am14fqxbYVaPRr/e7jAXm37Z/D6Wme+CKng/fRd1DDrt+!Fo48feYxYeDtW6ynj7N/o3Da+MfBgOU/vC7iVV87cgyo+QgD1EkP2+h1b3Rbljbx8QV789GV X-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@magma.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.magma.ca!news.magma.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6268 Weird: My post and Gary's are missing, but I see this one... I actually ended up posting why in Jonathan's thread about Qigong class and Reiki. Enjoy them while they are together, but unless you know that the teacher is open to it in a way that I have not seen, use what you know but say nothing about similarities beween them. Peterz www.onreiki.com "Theo" wrote in message news:3ED10E90.70A76E1C@ch.inter.net... > sometimes you are led to something that will be the step- link for > something else > dissolve et coagula > Theo > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > On Sun, 25 May 2003 13:04:05 -0400, "Peterz" wrote: > > > > >Sometimes two paths converge - for me, Aikido and Reiki did that. But then > > >they diverged, and I had to choose one. > > > > If you don't mind my asking, could you elaborate a little on that? I > > would be interested to hear how they converged and then diverged for > > you. I seem to be on a convergent path right now with taiji and Reiki, > > hence the interest in your experience. > > > > Garry > > -- > How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? > Theo > http://www.byjoke.com/ > > ###### Message-ID: <3ED122C8.1589DB61@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 22:08:40 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> <3ed11b01.12908107@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053893283 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 22:08:03 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 71 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6171 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 21:00:01 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >In fact I realized that Americans have the habit to say things few times > >with in between * I mean " > > this means that you do not understand each others > > a matter of accent maybe? > > If I understand your reference correctly, it's more just a filler to > take up time and hold the speaker's place in the conversation while > frantically trying to think of something (hopefully) intelligent to > say. Sounds only slightly better than "...ummmm...." or > "...uhhhhh...". Example: > > I just wanted to...um...tell you...I mean...like...well...that I think > you're kinda...you know...neat! maybe .. but I thought that proobably wanted to explain another way to make the listener understand what they ment a maz ing Theo > > > Or were you referring to a different usage of the phrase? > > Garry > > > theo > > > >Nadie Niemand wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 25 May 2003 10:12:42 -0700, suzee wrote: > >> > >> >Not when I say them! Must be your southern accent. But the S in > >> >losing is harder, more like a Z than the S in loosing; that ones more of > >> >a C sound. (or the sound of S in... sound) > >> > >> You say tomato, I say tomahto. Well, not really > >> > >> You just said the same thing I said, but with different words. I was > >> just speaking in a more linguistically technical way. :-) The > >> letters 'z' and 's' represent the "voiced" ('z' in zebra) and > >> "unvoiced" ('s' in sound) variants of this sound respectively. So > >> 'losing' = 'lu-zing' (voiced) and 'loosing' = 'lu-sing' (unvoiced). > >> Except that most native English speakers would put the 'z' or 's' with > >> the 'lu' and the 'ing' would be in the next syllable. I just divided > >> them that way to make the value of the 's' clearer when I wrote > >> 'lu-sing'. > >> > >> namaste, > >> > >> Garry > > > >-- > >How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? > > Theo > >http://www.byjoke.com/ > > > > -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3ED122FE.A1ABCB64@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 22:09:34 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> <3ed0f19c.2309041@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0FEAC.7AFC9F46@ch.inter.net> <3ed11c6b.13270107@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.165 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053893336 62.202.32.165 (25 May 2003 22:08:56 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 25 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6224 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 19:34:36 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >Not bad at all Garry not bad ! > > Does this mean I'm not evil? I am sure you have one in your pants ! Theo > > > namaste, > > Garry -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed1694e.400095@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> <3ed11b01.12908107@news.earthlink.net> <3ED122C8.1589DB61@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 01:06:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.129.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053911181 165.247.129.175 (Sun, 25 May 2003 18:06:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:06:21 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6284 On Sun, 25 May 2003 22:08:40 +0200, Theo wrote: > maybe .. but I thought that proobably wanted to explain another way to make >the listener understand what they ment > a maz ing Oh, so what you meant was "No, no, that's not what I meant at all! What I mean is...", which means "what I intended for you to understand". Is that what you mean? :-) Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed16a12.595695@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> <3ed0f19c.2309041@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0FEAC.7AFC9F46@ch.inter.net> <3ed11c6b.13270107@news.earthlink.net> <3ED122FE.A1ABCB64@ch.inter.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 01:10:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.129.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053911409 165.247.129.175 (Sun, 25 May 2003 18:10:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:10:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6286 On Sun, 25 May 2003 22:09:34 +0200, Theo wrote: > > I am sure you have one in your pants ! Don't we all? };-> Garry, "el cuerno" LOL ###### Message-ID: <3ED1FF27.496809BD@bluewin.ch> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:48:55 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> <3ed11b01.12908107@news.earthlink.net> <3ED122C8.1589DB61@ch.inter.net> <3ed1694e.400095@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.134.118 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.134.118 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053949290 81.62.134.118 (26 May 2003 13:41:30 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 27 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6128 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 22:08:40 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > maybe .. but I thought that proobably wanted to explain another way to make > >the listener understand what they ment > > a maz ing > > Oh, so what you meant was "No, no, that's not what I meant at all! > What I mean is...", which means "what I intended for you to > understand". > > Is that what you mean? :-) That the speakes is not sure that the recipient will understand exactly what he ment so explain 2 -3 times changing words and construction right? wrong ? Namaste theo > > > Garry > ###### Message-ID: <3ED1FFAD.6398CC56@bluewin.ch> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:51:09 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ecf8681.17891957@news.netidea.com> <3ECF99E7.E7A993B1@shaw.ca> <3ecfb108.19399074@news.netidea.com> <3ECFCC11.8E703D6D@shaw.ca> <3ed0dc93.24762650@news.netidea.com> <3ed0f19c.2309041@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0FEAC.7AFC9F46@ch.inter.net> <3ed11c6b.13270107@news.earthlink.net> <3ED122FE.A1ABCB64@ch.inter.net> <3ed16a12.595695@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.134.118 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.134.118 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053949424 81.62.134.118 (26 May 2003 13:43:44 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 17 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6132 Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2003 22:09:34 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > > > I am sure you have one in your pants ! > > Don't we all? };-> > > Garry, "el cuerno" LOL a hunting horn .. yeah need to be blown to be activate Theo ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ed2004e.1342374@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> <3ed11b01.12908107@news.earthlink.net> <3ED122C8.1589DB61@ch.inter.net> <3ed1694e.400095@news.earthlink.net> <3ED1FF27.496809BD@bluewin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:51:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.148.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053949902 165.247.148.185 (Mon, 26 May 2003 04:51:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 04:51:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!east.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6289 On Mon, 26 May 2003 13:48:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > That the speakes is not sure that the recipient will understand exactly what he >ment so explain 2 -3 times changing words and construction > right? wrong ? Right, except that by the time the speaker is using the phrase, he or she is already convinced that the listener did not understand them on the first attempt, hence the need to re-explain. You wouldn't use the phrase on the first attempt, except possibly as "filler" as mentioned in my first reply. Namaste, Garry ###### Message-ID: <3ED20213.E41F9E33@bluewin.ch> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:01:23 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A friend's question about Reiki & life References: <3ECFC7A3.A6DB85F3@ch.inter.net> <3ED06E6B.29144050@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ac97.1998530@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0B563.B979812D@ch.inter.net> <3ed0ed9c.1285011@news.earthlink.net> <3ED0F98A.91B41F43@nidlink.com> <3ed0fe61.5578896@news.earthlink.net> <3ED112B0.2CB9F3A3@ch.inter.net> <3ed11b01.12908107@news.earthlink.net> <3ED122C8.1589DB61@ch.inter.net> <3ed1694e.400095@news.earthlink.net> <3ED1FF27.496809BD@bluewin.ch> <3ed2004e.1342374@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.134.118 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.62.134.118 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053950038 81.62.134.118 (26 May 2003 13:53:58 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 21 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:6122 The Babel tour as I said ! Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Mon, 26 May 2003 13:48:55 +0200, Theo wrote: > > > That the speakes is not sure that the recipient will understand exactly what he > >ment so explain 2 -3 times changing words and construction > > right? wrong ? > > Right, except that by the time the speaker is using the phrase, he or > she is already convinced that the listener did not understand them on > the first attempt, hence the need to re-explain. You wouldn't use the > phrase on the first attempt, except possibly as "filler" as mentioned > in my first reply. > > Namaste, > > Garry