From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Question to Taggart Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:13:34 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-757.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5788 Hi, This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, have practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a matter of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. Over the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's has noticeably decreased, too. But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) Thanks. montane ###### Message-ID: <3EC10AF2.2C915795@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:10:43 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.229.136 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.229.136 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1052838233 195.186.229.136 (13 May 2003 17:03:53 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5768 Hi Montane I agree with everything you said but I heal quckly also scratches or cuts ( always has been so with wounds and burns ( I always controlled 'em since ever ) but I noticed a change in skin smoother and less wrinlkly for my 60 as well as hairs keeping stationary few threads of while 2 years ago I started taking some DHA? and I started loosing hairs like an old dog.. now all of them are back and if I twist them to make a rope I feel they has doubled in volume .. But beside of these few things there is another one it is itching me and I wanted to ask since longtime rading the Petter's book he explains some use of the symbols some of their use .. Nobody ever explained me how to use them for instance if one need to send healing to someone has to say aloud or trace physically or mentally the distant healing symbol 3 times take the Energy symbol or Emotional one 3 times again and say the recipient name 3 times and think connect ( this a possibility following Taggart's point of view any other will be good too as far as one feel comfortable with )...... er .. maybe it answers my own question or are others posibilities that are a *must* or... sometimes I feel lost too I wish I could get some more exaustive answer on this topic Thanks Theo montane wrote: > Hi, > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > -snip- > > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > Thanks. > > montane ###### From: "Taggart King" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:46:59 +0100 Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-209-187.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 13 May 2003 19:48:23 +0100, dial-62-64-209-187.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-209-187.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5766 Hi Montane, What did you pick on me for?!! :-) The simple answer is that I do not know the answer to your question. I have experienced, like you, the reduction in colds and 'flu - in fact I have gone without a cold for maybe 5 1/2 years, the last cold being shortly after Reiki1. I have only had a half-cold since then. People's anecdotes suggest that Reiki speeds up the healing process, but as to why it does not seem to with you I do not know. I can't see that using a particular method will alter the results, other than focusing energy on your damaged finger. Best wishes, Taggart "montane" wrote in message news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... > Hi, > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, have > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a matter > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. Over > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's has > noticeably decreased, too. > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > Thanks. > > montane > > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:28 +0100 (BST) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1052854128 23465645 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5802 (Taggart King) wrote: > What did you pick on me for?!! :-) Because he knew you'd answer ... ;) As for colds and stuff, I believe that they're stress-related [depressed immune system] as many people succumb during a long weekend break (from [conventional] work) ... Stuart ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:04:11 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1052859929 20668 194.222.30.223 (13 May 2003 21:05:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:05:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5794 montane writes >But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it >gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty >fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger >seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and >uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better >apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this >sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) Well ... as we age, the healing takes longer. So if post-Reiki it's taking the same amount of time as it did 3 years ago ... then don't knock it ! You're winning ... ;) -- Judy http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:42:04 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 89 Message-ID: <3ec17312.189826473@news.netidea.com> References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-183.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5821 On 13 May 2003 15:00:18 -0700, gaotanma@india.com (Garry) wrote: >Maybe it's just that Montane, living out in the country with fresh >air, fresh water, sunshine and fresh food from the garden, already >experiences optimal healing time, so there was nothing for Reiki to >work on in that area? Whereas the rest of us, with poor diets, >polluted air and water, need all the help we can get, so Reiki has >something to work with? :-) > Gosh, I read these posts. Few of you out there in Reiki cyberland seem to be living *that* badly. ;-) Honking horns and urban smog notwithstanding. Hopefully, few of you are objects of anybody's gridlock road rage. > OTOH, if I get a cut or burn, a >little Reiki takes the sting out of it right away and it heals up so >fast that by the time I think to check on it again, it's already >healed. Plus I just don't seem to get cut or burned as often as I used >to--maybe Reiki made me smarter in that respect? ;-) > Gee, the personal differences in how Reiki develops and acts in our mind-body systems boggle the comprehension! Now if *I* too got smarter, maybe I wouldn't be boggled. montane (trying to cope with a Canadian-forest stinkbug attack -- a "healthy" one, of course) > > >"Taggart King" wrote in message news:<3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>... >> Hi Montane, >> >> What did you pick on me for?!! :-) >> >> The simple answer is that I do not know the answer to your question. I have >> experienced, like you, the reduction in colds and 'flu - in fact I have gone >> without a cold for maybe 5 1/2 years, the last cold being shortly after >> Reiki1. I have only had a half-cold since then. >> >> People's anecdotes suggest that Reiki speeds up the healing process, but as >> to why it does not seem to with you I do not know. >> >> I can't see that using a particular method will alter the results, other >> than focusing energy on your damaged finger. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> Taggart >> >> >> >> "montane" wrote in message >> news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... >> > Hi, >> > >> > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. >> > >> > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and >> > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, >> have >> > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. >> > >> > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a >> matter >> > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more >> > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. >> Over >> > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's >> has >> > noticeably decreased, too. >> > >> > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and >> it >> > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty >> > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger >> > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises >> and >> > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better >> > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of >> this >> > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > montane >> > >> > ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Lines: 58 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.166.23.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1052866375 ST000 64.166.23.16 (Tue, 13 May 2003 18:52:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:52:55 EDT X-UserInfo1: Q[OQBZCESZR_BFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRJWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:52:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!rip!news.webusenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5807 You've posed a very good question. Human beings were "spiritual" in ages past, yet archeology reveals they were plagued with very uncomfortable disease and it should be obvious they aged and died as our next few generations shall. How would religion/spirituality have evolved today if human beings did not age? (on the side comment) Many enlightened souls died very painful, physical deaths. Siddhartha (Buddha) died of food poisoning, Shunryo Suzuki Roshi suffered and died with an extremely painful cancer. They had a very powerful connection with the divine, and suffered extreme physical pain... so why didn't their enlightenment/spiritual connection heal their bodies??? -- Steven Buck, CMT - San Francisco, CA "montane" wrote in message news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... > Hi, > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, have > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a matter > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. Over > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's has > noticeably decreased, too. > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > Thanks. > > montane > > ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 05:34:34 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ec1d4bd.194306584@news.netidea.com> References: <3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-815.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5826 On Tue, 13 May 2003 20:28 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(Taggart King) wrote: > >> What did you pick on me for?!! :-) > >Because he knew you'd answer ... ;) > > >Stuart > Accurate insight, Stu. I knew if I had posted the question to you, I'd have gotten a joke. Very possibly a good joke, though. ;-) Best wishes, montane ###### Message-ID: <3EC1E899.521928E9@bluewin.ch> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:56:25 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <3ec17312.189826473@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.195.89 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.195.89 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1052894973 195.186.195.89 (14 May 2003 08:49:33 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 19 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5811 montane wrote: > On 13 May 2003 15:00:18 -0700, gaotanma@india.com (Garry) wrote: > > Gosh, I read these posts. Few of you out there in Reiki cyberland seem to be > living *that* badly. ;-) Honking horns and urban smog notwithstanding. > Hopefully, few of you are objects of anybody's gridlock road rage. Weeds are very adaptable to all sort of environments:-) Love and light to all urban weeds Theo > ###### Message-ID: <3EC1EA6E.CCACDD84@bluewin.ch> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:04:14 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.195.89 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.195.89 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1052895442 195.186.195.89 (14 May 2003 08:57:22 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 80 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5819 "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: > You've posed a very good question. > > Human beings were "spiritual" in ages past, yet archeology reveals they were > plagued with very uncomfortable disease and it should be obvious they aged > and died as our next few generations shall. fear af unknows of what is beyond the Death Portal a way to find a logic issue to " who are we , where are we coming from, where are we going to ? " eternal question > > > How would religion/spirituality have evolved today if human beings did not > age? > > (on the side comment) > Many enlightened souls died very painful, physical deaths. Siddhartha > (Buddha) died of food poisoning, Shunryo Suzuki Roshi suffered and died with > an extremely painful cancer. They had a very powerful connection with the > divine, and suffered extreme physical pain... so why didn't their > enlightenment/spiritual connection heal their bodies??? Christian religion says in these cass that *God tested their faith by the sufference" Padre Pio suffered all his life physically and Morally because of Clergy I never sow a fat plumpy holy man all of them( the holy ones ) were quite in the limit of life viability and I think that being in a such precary health condition released their powers or maybe they were worn out by their powers Theo > > > -- > Steven Buck, CMT > - San Francisco, CA > > "montane" wrote in message > news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... > > Hi, > > > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, > have > > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a > matter > > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. > Over > > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's > has > > noticeably decreased, too. > > > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and > it > > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises > and > > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of > this > > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > > > Thanks. > > > > montane > > > > ###### From: "Taggart King" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <3ec13df7_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> <3ec16b07.189058276@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:53:13 +0100 Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-142-28.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3ec1f793_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 14 May 2003 09:00:19 +0100, dial-62-64-142-28.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-142-28.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5838 I nearly blushed!... Taggart "montane" wrote in message news:3ec16b07.189058276@news.netidea.com... > On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:46:59 +0100, "Taggart King" > wrote: > > >Hi Montane, > > > >What did you pick on me for?!! :-) > > > Perhaps it's one of the "liabilities" of being a known Reiki master in the > English-speaking world, one who keeps an intelligent, stimulating, > informative and well-maintained Web site. Full of essays from self-same RM > and other knowledgeable folks. > > Just kidding. ;-) > > montane ###### From: "Taggart King" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:55:25 +0100 Lines: 80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-142-28.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3ec1f794_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 14 May 2003 09:00:20 +0100, dial-62-64-142-28.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-142-28.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5839 Hi Steven, Have you read 'Crooked Cucumber', a biography of Shunryu Suzuki? I expect you have. A wonderful book, not just because it is so informative about Buddhism and about Japanese life and history, partly in Usui's time. Uplifting and inspiring. Taggart "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:bHewa.223$BS2.28886229@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > You've posed a very good question. > > Human beings were "spiritual" in ages past, yet archeology reveals they were > plagued with very uncomfortable disease and it should be obvious they aged > and died as our next few generations shall. > > How would religion/spirituality have evolved today if human beings did not > age? > > (on the side comment) > Many enlightened souls died very painful, physical deaths. Siddhartha > (Buddha) died of food poisoning, Shunryo Suzuki Roshi suffered and died with > an extremely painful cancer. They had a very powerful connection with the > divine, and suffered extreme physical pain... so why didn't their > enlightenment/spiritual connection heal their bodies??? > > -- > Steven Buck, CMT > - San Francisco, CA > > "montane" wrote in message > news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... > > Hi, > > > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, > have > > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a > matter > > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. > Over > > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's > has > > noticeably decreased, too. > > > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and > it > > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises > and > > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of > this > > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > > > Thanks. > > > > montane > > > > > > ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: 14 May 2003 09:15:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0305140815.35708ad3@posting.google.com> References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.170.193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052928904 24292 127.0.0.1 (14 May 2003 16:15:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2003 16:15:04 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5831 Hi Montane: Two thoughts occur to me: 1) It may be that there is a difference between the pre-Reiki and post-Reiki states exists, but it is not large enough for you to notice. (e.g., if the wounds healed in 11 days rather than 2 weeks on average, would you notice?) 2) I have found that the things that we want to fix are not always the ones to "get Reiki". Example (real) Someone came to me asking for relief of tendonitis in both wrists. Scanning and intuition during treatment made me concentrate on her stomach, though I did not know why. Afterwards, she observed that I had picked up on the Crohn's disease - a serious, chronic complaint she had had for 20 years. When I inquired a few days later as to the state of her health, I was told that the treatments did not really help the tendonitis, so she was not going to return. But, oh, by the way, the Crohn's symptoms were very much improved. IMO, her body had used the energy for her highest good, which did not correspond to what she had in mind. Likewise, your self-treatments may be otherwise directed by your own higher - however inscrutible - wisdom. Warm best, Peter montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote in message news:<3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com>... > Hi, > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, have > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a matter > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. Over > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's has > noticeably decreased, too. > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > Thanks. > > montane ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <3ec1f794_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Lines: 101 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.168.25.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com 1052930542 ST000 64.168.25.206 (Wed, 14 May 2003 12:42:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:42:22 EDT X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJSCTS@QBRLYHZOHOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\BQUBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:42:22 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5836 Actually, no I have not... I read "Beginners Mind," by Suzuki Roshi, then on to several by Robert Aitken (largely because he would eat lunch and dinner with us when he visited the San Francisco Zen Center.) -- Steven Buck, CMT - San Francisco, CA "Taggart King" wrote in message news:3ec1f794_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com... > Hi Steven, > > Have you read 'Crooked Cucumber', a biography of Shunryu Suzuki? I expect > you have. A wonderful book, not just because it is so informative about > Buddhism and about Japanese life and history, partly in Usui's time. > > Uplifting and inspiring. > > > > Taggart > > "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message > news:bHewa.223$BS2.28886229@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > You've posed a very good question. > > > > Human beings were "spiritual" in ages past, yet archeology reveals they > were > > plagued with very uncomfortable disease and it should be obvious they aged > > and died as our next few generations shall. > > > > How would religion/spirituality have evolved today if human beings did not > > age? > > > > (on the side comment) > > Many enlightened souls died very painful, physical deaths. Siddhartha > > (Buddha) died of food poisoning, Shunryo Suzuki Roshi suffered and died > with > > an extremely painful cancer. They had a very powerful connection with the > > divine, and suffered extreme physical pain... so why didn't their > > enlightenment/spiritual connection heal their bodies??? > > > > -- > > Steven Buck, CMT > > - San Francisco, CA > > > > "montane" wrote in message > > news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... > > > Hi, > > > > > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > > > > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > > > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, > > have > > > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > > > > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a > > matter > > > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > > > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. > > Over > > > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's > > has > > > noticeably decreased, too. > > > > > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something > and > > it > > > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of > dirty > > > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the > finger > > > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with > bruises > > and > > > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > > > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of > > this > > > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > montane > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "Taggart King" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <4ef40597.0305140815.35708ad3@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:44:23 +0100 Lines: 77 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-210-223.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3ec272c8_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 14 May 2003 17:46:00 +0100, dial-62-64-210-223.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-210-223.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5837 Yes, Reiki gives you what you need, not necessarily what you want. Taggart "Peterz" wrote in message news:4ef40597.0305140815.35708ad3@posting.google.com... > Hi Montane: > > Two thoughts occur to me: > > 1) It may be that there is a difference between the pre-Reiki and > post-Reiki states exists, but it is not large enough for you to > notice. (e.g., if the wounds healed in 11 days rather than 2 weeks on > average, would you notice?) > > 2) I have found that the things that we want to fix are not always the > ones to "get Reiki". Example (real) Someone came to me asking for > relief of tendonitis in both wrists. Scanning and intuition during > treatment made me concentrate on her stomach, though I did not know > why. Afterwards, she observed that I had picked up on the Crohn's > disease - a serious, chronic complaint she had had for 20 years. When > I inquired a few days later as to the state of her health, I was told > that the treatments did not really help the tendonitis, so she was not > going to return. But, oh, by the way, the Crohn's symptoms were very > much improved. IMO, her body had used the energy for her highest good, > which did not correspond to what she had in mind. Likewise, your > self-treatments may be otherwise directed by your own higher - however > inscrutible - wisdom. > > > Warm best, > > Peter > > > > > > montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote in message news:<3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com>... > > Hi, > > > > This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. > > > > After my first attunement, I began practicing self-healing daily and > > practiced on others as occasion presented. I got all three attunements, have > > practiced hatsurieho almost daily, and taken reiju whenever available. > > > > I have found that some physical problems in my body have cleared as a matter > > of course, and whether due specifically to self-healing or to some more > > automatic outcome of attunements and/or hatsureiho, I can't really say. Over > > the last nearly 34 months, my susceptibility to ordinary colds and flu's has > > noticeably decreased, too. > > > > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it > > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and > > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this > > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > > > > Thanks. > > > > montane ###### Reply-To: "Jonathan" From: "Jonathan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Lines: 32 Organization: chez me X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:12:56 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.115.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards.force9.net 1052946473 212.56.115.1 (Wed, 14 May 2003 22:07:53 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:07:53 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!landlord!wards.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5864 > But here is the question: I find that if I cut my finger or something and it > gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty > fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger > seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises and > uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better > apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of this > sort? (I am not speaking about a *major* infection of the body here.) > But.... methinks.... Cuts & scrapes & bruises when you are out in nature are a way of connecting- connecting your physicality with nature, and a reminder that we are all flesh and blood- and in the natural world it is a nice illustration of our mortal relationship with mother earth. So why seek "healing" from this? Surely we should sit back and observe the quiet lesson? I am always nicking myself in the garden- and my dog usually manages a nick or two just about every week. I would never seek healing for this- I simply look down & smile! And smiling at my grazes, and understanding the wonderfull link with nature that they have given me- they usually go very quickly? Love, J. ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:25:09 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3ec3d92f.8762217@news.netidea.com> References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-490.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5886 On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:52:55 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: >You've posed a very good question. > I suppose what you have spelled out below are implications of my question, Steven (with both your and my original comments snipped a bit for brevity), but I had not thought it out or really wondered about it quite to the dimension you bring in here. Really, at this point I am the Reiki Level-3 attunee who views himself as still very much the learner. I learn in part through my remaining questions and my limitations with "the art of Reiki," as distinct from the unlimited reality of Reiki. In part, also, I learn from what I *have* experienced to date from Reiki. I still wonder sometimes if the way I routinely apply Reiki to a specific malady is a less-than-ideal way, you see. So it was a humble question. montane >Human beings were "spiritual" in ages past, yet archeology reveals they were >plagued with very uncomfortable disease and it should be obvious they aged >and died as our next few generations shall. > > They had a very powerful connection with the >divine, and suffered extreme physical pain... so why didn't their >enlightenment/spiritual connection heal their bodies??? >-- >Steven Buck, CMT > >"montane" wrote in message >news:3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com... >> Hi, >> >> This is a question that has puzzled me for at least a year. >> >>I find that if I cut my finger or something and >it >> gets infected (I am a gardener, explaining much as to the origin of dirty >> fingers), even with self-healing the process of the healing of the finger >> seems to require as much time as in my pre-Reiki days. Same with bruises >and >> uninfected scrapes, etc. Any idea as to why? Any way that I can better >> apply Reiki for the specific purpose of healing a particular malady of >this >> sort? >> >> montane >> >> ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:48:52 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3EC44384.9383C87C@nidlink.com> References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <3ec3d92f.8762217@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-207.imbris.com (216.18.141.207) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1053049781 25388378 216.18.141.207 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-207.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5897 montane wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:52:55 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > > >You've posed a very good question. > > > I suppose what you have spelled out below are implications of my question, > Steven (with both your and my original comments snipped a bit for brevity), > but I had not thought it out or really wondered about it quite to the > dimension you bring in here. > > Really, at this point I am the Reiki Level-3 attunee who views himself as > still very much the learner. I learn in part through my remaining questions > and my limitations with "the art of Reiki," as distinct from the unlimited > reality of Reiki. In part, also, I learn from what I *have* experienced to > date from Reiki. > > I still wonder sometimes if the way I routinely apply Reiki to a specific > malady is a less-than-ideal way, you see. So it was a humble question. Is there really an `ideal' way to apply reiki? I mean, you've got an owie, you put your hand/s on it. Isn't it supposed to be that simple? As to your original question, it seems that I'm not sick with a cold/flu as long as I used to be before reiki, even though I don't consciously use it then. I remember when I got a small burn on my hand from the woodstove. While holding it under the cold water, looked out the window at the snow covered mountains, got inspired and consciously thought `ice-blue cold' at the burn for the rest of the day. It seemed that it healed up faster and with less blistering.... Mostly I just forget to use it specifically on minor cuts and scrapes, and since I usually do `hands-on' just before I go to sleep, I guess that would take care of just about anything. namaste, sue ###### Message-ID: <3EC47D53.2120BEE7@ch.inter.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:55:31 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question to Taggart References: <3ec0fa4f.182396545@news.netidea.com> <3ec3d92f.8762217@news.netidea.com> <3EC44384.9383C87C@nidlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.35.157 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.35.157 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053064530 62.202.35.157 (16 May 2003 07:55:30 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 66 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5899 HI suzee wrote: > montane wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:52:55 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > > wrote: > > > > >You've posed a very good question. > > > > > I suppose what you have spelled out below are implications of my question, > > Steven (with both your and my original comments snipped a bit for brevity), > > but I had not thought it out or really wondered about it quite to the > > dimension you bring in here. > > > > Really, at this point I am the Reiki Level-3 attunee who views himself as > > still very much the learner. I learn in part through my remaining questions > > and my limitations with "the art of Reiki," as distinct from the unlimited > > reality of Reiki. In part, also, I learn from what I *have* experienced to > > date from Reiki. > > > > I still wonder sometimes if the way I routinely apply Reiki to a specific > > malady is a less-than-ideal way, you see. So it was a humble question. > > Is there really an `ideal' way to apply reiki? I mean, you've got an > owie, you put your hand/s on it. Isn't it supposed to be that simple? > > > As to your original question, it seems that I'm not sick with a cold/flu > as long as I used to be before reiki, even though I don't consciously > use it then. I remember when I got a small burn on my hand from the > woodstove. While holding it under the cold water, looked out the window > at the snow covered mountains, got inspired and consciously thought > `ice-blue cold' at the burn for the rest of the day. It seemed that it > healed up faster and with less blistering.... Mostly I just forget to > use it specifically on minor cuts and scrapes, and since I usually do > `hands-on' just before I go to sleep, I guess that would take care of > just about anything. > I sow in TV doing that from people that has power and that are asked in hospitals sometimes when meds cannot cope with the gravity of burns .I sow that 25 years ago .. the lady did at distance passed her hand on an electric plug or switch and than closed the eyes and closed the fist with the thumb in between the index and major finger as the hanging brazilian charm called "figa" that in middle age was the feminine insult ( you c***! as sticking out the middle finger today for f*** u! so than she turned that fist 3 times in circle and made a cross few times.. I did since them and it always worked the burns often does not make a blistedr and teh skin dries and renew or all is just gone without no effects she was using a sort of Reiki energy probably CKR Theo > > namaste, sue -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/