From: james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: 13 Apr 2003 06:31:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1050240664 31608 127.0.0.1 (13 Apr 2003 13:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2003 13:31:04 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4817 Greetings all, I have just updated the Reiki History page at All Energy-Therapies Web [ www.geocities.com/fascin8or/reiki_history.html ] - expanding on the 'Timeline' of Reiki-related events (1865 - 1931) based on currently available info from Japanese Sources... hope you find it interesting 'shikin haramitsu dai ko myo' James ###### Message-ID: <3E9978CC.AA5EADBE@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:48:44 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.43.232 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.43.232 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050245310 213.3.43.232 (13 Apr 2003 16:48:30 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 32 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4812 HI James very interesting it ment a lot of research.. I also loved at the very end the Star war character (Yoda?)telling many truths:-) Namaste Theo James AETW wrote: > Greetings all, > > I have just updated the Reiki History page at All Energy-Therapies Web > > [ www.geocities.com/fascin8or/reiki_history.html ] > > - expanding on the 'Timeline' of Reiki-related events (1865 - 1931) > based on currently available info from Japanese Sources... > > hope you find it interesting > > 'shikin haramitsu dai ko myo' > > James -- There is something beyond Death , and you'll have the eternity to find it out http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:57:39 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-425.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4813 Thanks for the new Web stuff, James. On a just slightly different topic, are you not a person who could put Garry in touch with Reiki circles in Japan? I'm thinking of people like Mr. Petter. montane On 13 Apr 2003 06:31:03 -0700, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) wrote: >Greetings all, > >I have just updated the Reiki History page at All Energy-Therapies Web > >[ www.geocities.com/fascin8or/reiki_history.html ] > >- expanding on the 'Timeline' of Reiki-related events (1865 - 1931) >based on currently available info from Japanese Sources... > >hope you find it interesting > >'shikin haramitsu dai ko myo' > >James ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 38 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:56:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.158.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1050289010 165.247.158.148 (Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:56:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:56:50 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4837 On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:57:39 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote: > >Thanks for the new Web stuff, James. Thanks from me, too, James! >On a just slightly different topic, are you not a person who could put Garry >in touch with Reiki circles in Japan? I'm thinking of people like Mr. >Petter. Thanks Montane. Petter's e-mail address is on his website www.dharmareiki.com, and I just now sent him an e-mail. Hopefully, he will respond. I also put the question on the URRI list. I would still appreciate any other leads anyone might care to share. It seems like a simple enough question--how widespread and how well accepted is Reiki in Japan. OTOH, if someone were to ask me that question about the US, I wouldn't be able to answer either. If someone were to back me up against a wall and threaten my life if I didn't come up with some kind of answer, I would guess maybe .001% of the population practice Reiki, at least for the city where I live. But I could be wrong, by orders of magnitude, in either direction. And if most people are unaware of it, you can't very well claim public acceptance or rejection. The vast majority of people outside of the circle of Reiki practioners in my area have never heard of it, or at least that's true of the people I know. But again, I have no figures, no hard data, no surveys to fall back on. So I understand if others are in a similar position. But I would appreciate any information at all, even if it's just personal impressions or experience. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e9a259d.9059860@news.earthlink.net> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:06:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.158.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1050289573 165.247.158.148 (Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:06:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:06:13 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!propagator2-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4839 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:56:50 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >would guess maybe .001% of the population practice Reiki, at least for Holy, moly! Misplaced decimal! That should have been 1.0%. (and I think it's much lower in non-urban environments) Obviously it's way past my bedtime and it's time for me to say "Good night all!" Good night, all! Garry ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:46:13 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3e9a2e10.30399859@news.netidea.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3e9a259d.9059860@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-418.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!jpix!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4832 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:06:13 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >Holy, moly! Misplaced decimal! That should have been 1.0%. (and I >think it's much lower in non-urban environments) Obviously it's way >past my bedtime and it's time for me to say "Good night all!" > Yeah, but even 1% of urban-U.S. population is impressive to me. That (on the napkin calculation) might be over 2 million people. Wow! montane ###### Message-ID: <3E9A4CFF.D08C7312@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:07 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3e9a259d.9059860@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.91.74 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.91.74 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050299631 62.203.91.74 (14 Apr 2003 07:53:51 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 45 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4827 HI I think that there are a lot of people that knows about and will be willing to use it for their problems when needed there are many also that already experienced its benefits but there is also in my opinion a great reticence( blockages) to try to learn and even less for using it.. so probably 1% or more knows about Reiki but 0.01 % dare practicing or learning it Most of people I met it was after a while that dared to admit that they used parallel medecine or went to see one of some * gurus* for their health problems My "guru" doctor that I discovered trought my son in law as welded my doughter's for 3 broken ribs in 24 hours with acupuncture( X rays made at the hospital the very day of the accident witness them were broken ) and my son for a lunar scaffoid bone problem at the wrist ( given by trad medecine as incurable) does Reiki as well and he told me he did Reiki when I talk with him about as I was interested.. moreover going at his "office" I met plenty of people I knew( I had a shop in town for 25 years )and some some are VIP in the city and use his services since years .. so what we see is the point of the iceberg but most are unease to talk about Namaste Theo Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:56:50 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie > Niemand) wrote: > > >would guess maybe .001% of the population practice Reiki, at least for > > Holy, moly! Misplaced decimal! That should have been 1.0%. (and I > think it's much lower in non-urban environments) Obviously it's way > past my bedtime and it's time for me to say "Good night all!" > > Good night, all! > > Garry -- There is something beyond Death , and you'll have the eternity to find it out http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: "Taggart King" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:14:01 +0100 Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-218-83.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3e9a9850_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 14 Apr 2003 12:15:28 +0100, dial-62-64-218-83.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-218-83.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4843 Dear James, What an excellent piece of work. Very interesting to see the Reiki events blended in with historical milestones in Japan's history. I have put a link to your timeline from my site. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk "James AETW" wrote in message news:7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com... > Greetings all, > > I have just updated the Reiki History page at All Energy-Therapies Web > > [ www.geocities.com/fascin8or/reiki_history.html ] > > - expanding on the 'Timeline' of Reiki-related events (1865 - 1931) > based on currently available info from Japanese Sources... > > hope you find it interesting > > 'shikin haramitsu dai ko myo' > > James ###### From: orbrit Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:42:35 -0400 Organization: NetVision InterNetNews site Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl199-203-190-163.bb.netvision.net.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news2.netvision.net.il 1050381768 2143 199.203.190.163 (15 Apr 2003 04:42:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 04:42:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news2.euro.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!news2.netvision.net.il!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4868 Arjava Petter left Japan and now lives in Germany. Contact: Frank Arjava Petter Am Seestern 12 40547 Düsseldorf Phone: +49-211 50 73 810 Email: Arjava@ReikiDharma.com Homepage: http://www.ReikiDharma.com Nadie Niemand wrote: > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:57:39 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) > wrote: > > >>Thanks for the new Web stuff, James. > > > Thanks from me, too, James! > > >>On a just slightly different topic, are you not a person who could put Garry >>in touch with Reiki circles in Japan? I'm thinking of people like Mr. >>Petter. > > > Thanks Montane. > > Petter's e-mail address is on his website www.dharmareiki.com, and I > just now sent him an e-mail. Hopefully, he will respond. I also put > the question on the URRI list. I would still appreciate any other > leads anyone might care to share. It seems like a simple enough > question--how widespread and how well accepted is Reiki in Japan. > OTOH, if someone were to ask me that question about the US, I wouldn't > be able to answer either. If someone were to back me up against a wall > and threaten my life if I didn't come up with some kind of answer, I > would guess maybe .001% of the population practice Reiki, at least for > the city where I live. But I could be wrong, by orders of magnitude, > in either direction. And if most people are unaware of it, you can't > very well claim public acceptance or rejection. The vast majority of > people outside of the circle of Reiki practioners in my area have > never heard of it, or at least that's true of the people I know. But > again, I have no figures, no hard data, no surveys to fall back on. So > I understand if others are in a similar position. But I would > appreciate any information at all, even if it's just personal > impressions or experience. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > ###### Message-ID: <3E9BE5A9.F0013AB6@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:57:45 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.228.124 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.228.124 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050403932 195.186.228.124 (15 Apr 2003 12:52:12 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 59 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4849 2000 euro = 2000 $ for a seminar must worth that much.. I forgot some food( lunch) is supplied also namaste Theo orbrit wrote: > Arjava Petter left Japan and now lives in Germany. > > Contact: Frank Arjava Petter > Am Seestern 12 > 40547 Düsseldorf > Phone: +49-211 50 73 810 > Email: Arjava@ReikiDharma.com > Homepage: http://www.ReikiDharma.com > > Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:57:39 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) > > wrote: > > > > > >>Thanks for the new Web stuff, James. > > > > > > Thanks from me, too, James! > > > > > >>On a just slightly different topic, are you not a person who could put Garry > >>in touch with Reiki circles in Japan? I'm thinking of people like Mr. > >>Petter. > > > > > > Thanks Montane. > > > > Petter's e-mail address is on his website www.dharmareiki.com, and I > > just now sent him an e-mail. Hopefully, he will respond. I also put > > the question on the URRI list. I would still appreciate any other > > leads anyone might care to share. It seems like a simple enough > > question--how widespread and how well accepted is Reiki in Japan. > > OTOH, if someone were to ask me that question about the US, I wouldn't > > be able to answer either. If someone were to back me up against a wall > > and threaten my life if I didn't come up with some kind of answer, I > > would guess maybe .001% of the population practice Reiki, at least for > > the city where I live. But I could be wrong, by orders of magnitude, > > in either direction. And if most people are unaware of it, you can't > > very well claim public acceptance or rejection. The vast majority of > > people outside of the circle of Reiki practioners in my area have > > never heard of it, or at least that's true of the people I know. But > > again, I have no figures, no hard data, no surveys to fall back on. So > > I understand if others are in a similar position. But I would > > appreciate any information at all, even if it's just personal > > impressions or experience. > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > > > > ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:49:54 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 62 Message-ID: <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-505.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4962 On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:42:35 -0400, orbrit wrote: >Arjava Petter left Japan and now lives in Germany. > What happened to Chetna Koyabashi? In a bried visit to Arjava Petter's site, I found no mention of her. montane >Contact: Frank Arjava Petter >Am Seestern 12 >40547 Düsseldorf >Phone: +49-211 50 73 810 >Email: Arjava@ReikiDharma.com >Homepage: http://www.ReikiDharma.com > >Nadie Niemand wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:57:39 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) >> wrote: >> >> >>>Thanks for the new Web stuff, James. >> >> >> Thanks from me, too, James! >> >> >>>On a just slightly different topic, are you not a person who could put Garry >>>in touch with Reiki circles in Japan? I'm thinking of people like Mr. >>>Petter. >> >> >> Thanks Montane. >> >> Petter's e-mail address is on his website www.dharmareiki.com, and I >> just now sent him an e-mail. Hopefully, he will respond. I also put >> the question on the URRI list. I would still appreciate any other >> leads anyone might care to share. It seems like a simple enough >> question--how widespread and how well accepted is Reiki in Japan. >> OTOH, if someone were to ask me that question about the US, I wouldn't >> be able to answer either. If someone were to back me up against a wall >> and threaten my life if I didn't come up with some kind of answer, I >> would guess maybe .001% of the population practice Reiki, at least for >> the city where I live. But I could be wrong, by orders of magnitude, >> in either direction. And if most people are unaware of it, you can't >> very well claim public acceptance or rejection. The vast majority of >> people outside of the circle of Reiki practioners in my area have >> never heard of it, or at least that's true of the people I know. But >> again, I have no figures, no hard data, no surveys to fall back on. So >> I understand if others are in a similar position. But I would >> appreciate any information at all, even if it's just personal >> impressions or experience. >> >> Love and Light, >> >> Garry >> >> > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1050662636 165.247.162.9 (Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:43:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:43:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4965 On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:49:54 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote: >On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:42:35 -0400, orbrit wrote: > >>Arjava Petter left Japan and now lives in Germany. >> > >What happened to Chetna Koyabashi? In a bried visit to Arjava Petter's site, >I found no mention of her. They split up. According to what I read a while back, it was a friendly split, but if she's been removed entirely from the website, that seems curiously contrary as far as "friendly" goes. namaste, Mr. Gossip ###### From: james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: 18 Apr 2003 08:35:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1050680141 20979 127.0.0.1 (18 Apr 2003 15:35:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2003 15:35:41 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4986 nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote in message news:<3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net>... > They split up. According to what I read a while back, it was a > friendly split, but if she's been removed entirely from the website, > that seems curiously contrary as far as "friendly" goes. > > namaste, > > Mr. Gossip Ah, but was it a case of 'removed from the site', or more one of 'wanted nothing further to do with it'? First there was the Richard Blackwell/Medicine Buddha 'issue' then Frank leaves Japan and returns to Germany Hiroshi Doi is apparently scaling down his involvement with teaching Gendai Reiki and I believe Chris Marsh is no longer teaching the Usui-Teate courses is there something they're not telling us? Mr Gossip (senior) ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:28:57 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3ea034e4.103313148@news.netidea.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-044.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4963 On 18 Apr 2003 08:35:41 -0700, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) wrote: >First there was the Richard Blackwell/Medicine Buddha 'issue' > All I really know about is my own attunements to Reiki and my own Reiki practice and what I learn on this board. I have no idea what any of the rest of this means. For instance, what was/is the "Medicine Buddha issue"? >then Frank leaves Japan and returns to Germany > >Hiroshi Doi is apparently scaling down his involvement with teaching >Gendai Reiki > This sounds surprising. But what do I know? I've read Doi-sensei's book and a bit over a year ago I spent a day visiting with Richard (Rick) Rivard, who is a friend of Mr. Doi (also a friend of Mr. Petter) -- but I heard none of all this stuff. >and I believe Chris Marsh is no longer teaching the Usui-Teate courses > But meaning what? montane ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:12:37 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1050700303 28551 194.222.30.223 (18 Apr 2003 21:11:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:11:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4968 James AETW writes > >is there something they're not telling us? Probably. There usually is. Interesting though. I've been wondering for some time whether the Reiki bubble (so to speak) has burst. Maybe less interest around generally than, say 2-3 years ago ? Fewer people interested in taking up the practice ? I don't know. For the older hands, a case of once you've had the attunements, taken the courses, integrated whatever elements of the practice into your life ... what else is there left to say ? I do get the distinct impression of far fewer passionate debates in this forum than hitherto ... -- Judy http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:24 +0100 (BST) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1050701093 3595035 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4974 (Judy Rigby) wrote: > I've been wondering for some time whether the Reiki > bubble (so to speak) has burst. I don't think so ... just that it's now becoming mainstream and getting sort of off-the-cuff references in health and ladies' mags as a "normal" state of affairs ... therefore less controversy is attached .. Stuart PS I didn't see James' original post, so I'm reading between the lines here as to what was said .. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 101 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:35:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1050784501 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:35:01 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:35:01 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5016 I suppose sufficient debate may have already occurred regarding Reiki. However, let me just relate what has been my 'observation' in exploring the big picture. You can interchange 'observation' with 'stirring the pot' but what the heck, how else to kick-start debate? Might even consider it blasphemy? A few years ago I was invited to install a 'state-of-the-art' water filtration system for purifying my drinking water. Since that time, new systems have appeared that ionize, magnetize, hydrolyze, osmosize, oxidize, homogenize, baptize, etc. etc. your water. Each person is left to decide whether HIS system impacted his health or not. Here is what I notice about Reiki, if I were to become an outside observer for a moment. It is 'hands on' as is prayer, Therapeutic Touch, and several other 'energy transfer' methods of healing. More coming all the time. We can call it channeling, balancing, or whatever and it is sometimes hard to figure out exactly what that means.(for any of them) Then we say that: --Reiki is something we already have as part of being human. --You don't need to be physically present to be attuned --You can be attuned by 'intention' and no 'ritual' is needed --After attunement you need to do other stuff like 'horse posture' --You and the client have no expectations when doing a treatment --To charge for lessons is morally debatable --You should meditate for increased 'power' --Reiki is about 'intention' but it works without it --You should use stones, crystals, your 'state-of-the-art' water filter, etc. to improve 'chi/ki'. --Reiki is a tool and you use it along with other techniques --Reiki is love but you need permission to use it --There are eleven 'brands' of Reiki and more being 'discovered' (Stay tuned) --Reiki is....(fill in your own blanks) It's getting very difficult to distinguish Reiki from anything 'Hands on'. From a scientific point of view they will discover that Reiki works about the same as Therapeutic Touch, or prayer, or plain intention. So what's the deal? I think Dr. Usui had a revelation on the mountain all right. It was that if we did ANYTHING it would promote healing. He probably knew that it would get to where it is today and it doesn't matter. He was changing the 'mindset' of the planet to a 'healing' mode and Reiki was a good 'seed'. The rest is all bugwah!! (wink) Could it be that we are experiencing more of a 'dilution'? This has happened on many fronts (religious, political, etc.) in the past and the solution was usually to have a purge. I believe this has already occurred. So now what? Hold on, Theo! Take it with a grain of salt! Jeepers, creepers! My computer screen is starting to melt already! Peace and Good Humor to all! Rich ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki From: rgrasso@ozemail.com.au Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 116 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:28:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.60.220.80 X-Trace: nnrp1.ozemail.com.au 1050794921 63.60.220.80 (Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:28:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:28:41 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!nnrp1.ozemail.com.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5010 As with everything in life it's up to the individual to sort the hype from what's real and actually useful. What's real tends to persist and the fads fall by the wayside. From my observation this newsgproup is just as well read as it was some years ago but with different personalities. I see people perhaps at more ease, just as willing to share but with no need to express their ego through debate. robert. In article <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca>, Rich wrote: >I suppose sufficient debate may have already occurred regarding Reiki. >However, let me >just relate what has been my 'observation' in exploring the big picture. >You can interchange 'observation' with 'stirring the pot' but what the >heck, >how else to kick-start debate? Might even consider it blasphemy? >A few years ago I >was invited to install a 'state-of-the-art' water filtration system for >purifying my >drinking water. Since that time, new systems have appeared that ionize, >magnetize, hydrolyze, >osmosize, oxidize, homogenize, baptize, etc. etc. your water. >Each person is left to decide whether HIS system impacted his health or >not. > >Here is what I notice about Reiki, if I were to become an outside >observer for a moment. >It is 'hands on' as is prayer, Therapeutic Touch, and several other >'energy transfer' >methods of healing. More coming all the time. >We can call it channeling, balancing, or whatever and it is sometimes >hard >to figure out exactly what that means.(for any of them) > >Then we say that: --Reiki is something we already have as part of being >human. > --You don't need to be physically present to be >attuned > --You can be attuned by 'intention' and no 'ritual' is >needed > --After attunement you need to do other stuff like >'horse posture' > --You and the client have no expectations when doing a >treatment > --To charge for lessons is morally debatable > --You should meditate for increased 'power' > --Reiki is about 'intention' but it works without it > --You should use stones, crystals, your >'state-of-the-art' water filter, etc. > to improve 'chi/ki'. > --Reiki is a tool and you use it along with other >techniques > --Reiki is love but you need permission to use it > --There are eleven 'brands' of Reiki and more being >'discovered' (Stay tuned) > --Reiki is....(fill in your own blanks) > >It's getting very difficult to distinguish Reiki from anything 'Hands >on'. > >From a scientific point of view they will discover that Reiki works >about the same as Therapeutic >Touch, or prayer, or plain intention. >So what's the deal? >I think Dr. Usui had a revelation on the mountain all right. It was that >if we did ANYTHING it would >promote healing. He probably knew that it would get to where it is today >and it doesn't matter. >He was changing the 'mindset' of the planet to a 'healing' mode and >Reiki was a good 'seed'. >The rest is all bugwah!! (wink) > >Could it be that we are experiencing more of a 'dilution'? This has >happened on many fronts (religious, political, etc.) in the past and the >solution was usually to have a purge. >I believe this has already occurred. So now what? > >Hold on, Theo! Take it with a grain of salt! Jeepers, creepers! >My computer screen is starting to melt already! > >Peace and Good Humor to all! > >Rich > > > > > > > > >Judy Rigby wrote: >> >> James AETW writes >> > >> >is there something they're not telling us? >> >> Probably. There usually is. >> >> Interesting though. I've been wondering for some time whether the Reiki >> bubble (so to speak) has burst. Maybe less interest around generally >> than, say 2-3 years ago ? Fewer people interested in taking up the >> practice ? I don't know. For the older hands, a case of once you've had >> the attunements, taken the courses, integrated whatever elements of the >> practice into your life ... what else is there left to say ? I do get >> the distinct impression of far fewer passionate debates in this forum >> than hitherto ... >> -- >> Judy >> http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html >> http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:48:27 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ea1d1b5.14165903@news.netidea.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-949.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5002 On 18 Apr 2003 08:35:41 -0700, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) wrote: So what does this mean, James: >Hiroshi Doi is apparently scaling down his involvement with teaching >Gendai Reiki > I realize that if there is a buzz of speculation around this, nothing may be pinned down. But why did you write it? What *might* it mean?? montane ###### Message-ID: <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:00:56 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.40.204 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.40.204 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050822042 62.202.40.204 (20 Apr 2003 09:00:42 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 111 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4999 HI Rich Happy Easter you got me in a moment of grace I just did my Hatasurei -ho 6.30 am so I am still in between the two worlds I clip most of what you said as is in my humble opinion IS right & it opens an interesting debate Many years ago Khrisnamourti said in a book" Freedom from the Known" (one of the very few books I read and that enchanted me at 90%), He said that with religious systems we go as with water purifiers you just so well said We go window shopping ,one or another system will do for our needs of the moment .. which one will be better next ? If many people go *belief fishing" is because main religions failed and humanity ( Gods knows why) needs spirituality maybe is by-product of intelligence, or maybe spirituality has been frustrated by imposed structured systems Reiki is not different from the others systems ,like flowers fecondate will produce seeds that will have some different/but still similar characteristics from the mother tree ( I do Bonsai's as well) so if you need a copy of the main plant you need to make an air layering ( but will produce different ramifications anyway :-) this is the way life goes . In Reiki it is hard to know which is the real truth as each master added something , what is important is the main idea about energy I was reading on Paula Horan's book , that chapter I read yesterday talked about Atlanteans and their use of Crystals .. my nose twisted ; but few of the things she said about crystal ( also Vogel Crystals) are really new age but there must be something valid , at least in the way they can help someone focusing their energy ,will, intention .. you can use mumbo jumbo also if you wish to reach your target . and that recipient accept the technique you use . so I try to find out about what is behind her words .. She was also talking about these famous 21 days cleansing and Kundalini harsh awakening in some cases ,due to the blockages that some individuals have, this is why attunements have different reactions according the individual, she talked about " spirit invaders " that are in fact our own problems, fears, blockages, that are given by ourselves so much *body * that we transform them in "elemental* entities that becomes existing on another plane and that " bother " us so we can with healing and will get rid of them ..without shrinks :-) we are all nuts sometimes anyway .. Some people can even see them and cannot be defined Parnoiacs/skizo ( here my nose squirmed !) But I understood at the same what Healing meant there are so many stains in the human soul -mind-body that healing covers them all I am getting after few things I read and seen , more in this kind of healing, all ways are good ways , I think it is worth to explore it in deeper as each of us feels to following its sensibility interests.. but cannot say one way is the better than another but we can say one is more suitable for me than for you and vice versa .. What I am really deeply convinced is that the FAITH in the system we use or depend from is fundamental .. A Muslim healer has the same gift as a Wicca Christian Buddhist Shaman they use the same energy form the same * reservoir* but drawn from a different tap or purifying system ! about the fact that we all have energies but only few can use them consciously , l it is the fact that our Cartesianism cut us from the spontaneous contact of our intuition and beliefs into immaterial , our *religions* did the rest making of the spontaneous free instinctive mind we had a chained mind , prisoner between some parameters out of them the person( free instinctive thinker ) was either satanic or insane or both and the system to cure this insanity was the stack or the asylum.. so many people shut up and most of humanity lost these gifts I am amazed since I am in the Internet maze how many people trough it, can freely express what they feel and think )90 % would not tell these things to their close friends relatives or colleagues) and among the weirdo's some trust must be the World is changing or maybe waking up again after dark ages due by imposed logic and spirituality Have a lovely day Namaste Theo > > > Hold on, Theo! Take it with a grain of salt! Jeepers, creepers! > My computer screen is starting to melt already! > > Peace and Good Humor to all! > > Rich > > > > Judy Rigby wrote: > > > > James AETW writes > > > > > >is there something they're not telling us? > > > > Probably. There usually is. > > > > Interesting though. I've been wondering for some time whether the Reiki > > bubble (so to speak) has burst. Maybe less interest around generally > > than, say 2-3 years ago ? Fewer people interested in taking up the > > practice ? I don't know. For the older hands, a case of once you've had > > the attunements, taken the courses, integrated whatever elements of the > > practice into your life ... what else is there left to say ? I do get > > the distinct impression of far fewer passionate debates in this forum > > than hitherto ... > > -- > > Judy > > http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html > > http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk -- There is something beyond Death , and you'll have the eternity to find it out http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:41 +0100 (BST) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1050831725 4428201 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5011 Robert (rgrasso) wrote: > As with everything in life it's up to the individual to sort > the hype from what's real and actually useful. What's > real tends to persist and the fads fall by the wayside. True ... and as Rich said in the reply post "Could it be that we are experiencing more of a 'dilution'?" The answer to that is "Yes" ... but more in a shedding-off of false practices bolted on ... the "KISS" principle applies ... "Keep It Simple, Stupid" ... ;) Stuart ###### From: james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: 20 Apr 2003 03:07:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7d74cd4e.0304200207.163f5a46@posting.google.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3ea1d1b5.14165903@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1050833243 8611 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2003 10:07:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2003 10:07:23 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5015 As with all else belonging to the realms of the great 'mystical' tradition that is: 'Gossip'(especially Reiki-related Gossip), it means precicely whatever you choose to infer from it ;-) 'shiken haramitsu dai ko myo' James montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote in message news:<3ea1d1b5.14165903@news.netidea.com>... > On 18 Apr 2003 08:35:41 -0700, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) > wrote: > > So what does this mean, James: > > >Hiroshi Doi is apparently scaling down his involvement with teaching > >Gendai Reiki > > > I realize that if there is a buzz of speculation around this, nothing may be > pinned down. But why did you write it? What *might* it mean?? > > montane ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: 20 Apr 2003 22:43:50 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6u4r4syk55.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1050871432 513 10.0.3.2 (20 Apr 2003 20:43:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2003 20:43:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5017 Theo writes: > I am amazed since I am in the Internet maze how many people trough it, can > freely express what they feel and think )90 % would not tell these things to > their close friends relatives or colleagues) Lack of fear. Your relatives or colleagues may drop you, which hurts, as you are to some extent dependant on them. With people on the net you have no dependency, so nothing to fear, appart from perhaps some skeptic flaming you, or filling your mailbox. > the World is changing or maybe waking up again after dark ages due by > imposed logic and spirituality Some part of the world is waking up. No hiding from fear leads to more exchange, more accepting that one is not nuts. That is the largest good the net is doing. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### Message-ID: <3EA30E39.75EDA26A@ch.inter.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:16:42 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <6u4r4syk55.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.40.204 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.40.204 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050873384 62.202.40.204 (20 Apr 2003 23:16:24 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 39 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5018 Agreed ! Theo Neil Franklin wrote: > Theo writes: > > > I am amazed since I am in the Internet maze how many people trough it, can > > freely express what they feel and think )90 % would not tell these things to > > their close friends relatives or colleagues) > > Lack of fear. > > Your relatives or colleagues may drop you, which hurts, as you are to > some extent dependant on them. > > With people on the net you have no dependency, so nothing to fear, > appart from perhaps some skeptic flaming you, or filling your mailbox. > > > the World is changing or maybe waking up again after dark ages due by > > imposed logic and spirituality > > Some part of the world is waking up. No hiding from fear leads to > more exchange, more accepting that one is not nuts. > > That is the largest good the net is doing. > > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith > - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware > code generates the software, have you coded today? -- How can You trust me if I do not trust in me ? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ea3539d.435315@news.earthlink.net> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:10:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.153.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1050891045 165.247.153.160 (Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:10:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:10:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5034 On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:24:32 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote: >I believe Garry also wrote that about 1% of the American urban population had >probably been attuned to Reiki. That is still a pretty small figure, but in >many smaller towns and in the countryside, the percentage may even be less. I could easily be wrong, you know. My sample is pretty small compared to the overall population. And I may be overestimating the number of folks in my city? Who knows? Maybe it's closer to 0.1%? Wonder if anyone has done any kind of survey. Hmmmm, maybe the Rand folks would be the ones to ask.... namaste, Garry ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:45:36 -0700 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3EA36960.569C9425@nidlink.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3ea3539d.435315@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-60.imbris.com (216.18.141.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1050896768 4946794 216.18.141.60 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-60.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5022 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:24:32 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) > wrote: > > >I believe Garry also wrote that about 1% of the American urban population had > >probably been attuned to Reiki. That is still a pretty small figure, but in > >many smaller towns and in the countryside, the percentage may even be less. > > I could easily be wrong, you know. My sample is pretty small compared > to the overall population. And I may be overestimating the number of > folks in my city? Who knows? Maybe it's closer to 0.1%? Wonder if > anyone has done any kind of survey. Hmmmm, maybe the Rand folks would > be the ones to ask.... Let's see. There's around 5,000-7,000 people in my small town, and I'm pretty sure there must be at least 30 attuned to reiki; very likely more like 50. So that makes it about .05 to 1% of the population. This is only an estimate; I know there's around 30 massage therapists in town and nearly all do reiki. Then there's a few others besides. Hard to tell unless we all held a meeting. namaste, sue ###### From: "pr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3ea1d1b5.14165903@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:32:31 +0200 Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-27-37.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3ea396ac.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 21 Apr 2003 08:58:52 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-27-37.mweb.co.za Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-27-37.mweb.co.za Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5029 "montane" wrote in message news:3ea1d1b5.14165903@news.netidea.com... > On 18 Apr 2003 08:35:41 -0700, james@fascin8or.freeserve.co.uk (James AETW) > wrote: > > So what does this mean, James: > > >Hiroshi Doi is apparently scaling down his involvement with teaching > >Gendai Reiki > > > I realize that if there is a buzz of speculation around this, nothing may be > pinned down. But why did you write it? What *might* it mean?? It *might* mean that he moved on to other things. Impermanence, the most fundamental principle in Buddhism. You can turn this into suffering by saying to yourself it should not be. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EA37F1B.AB88B55A@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:19:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1050902344 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:19:04 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:19:04 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5039 Hi Stuart, You betcha, and sometimes to make a point, I will personally insist on being a bit extreme! Having done a lot of training of others, I find it works. I have the utmost respect for everything I 'listed' and often direct my inquiring friends to the Web sites for Reiki info. Then I have to distinguish for them, what is and what isn't part of 'original Reiki'. Getting so that I don't know the answer to that one. Part of what I did before I retired was the writing of chemical industry training manuals. In checking the written procedures with actual operational practices, I would find stuff like, "You gotta whack those pump check-valves or they plug up with crystals." "You gotta inject a blast of water into the process before adding chemicals or you get erosion at the nozzles." Etc. These are little idiosyncracies, unique to the individual 'style' of those technicians, and they thought that a properly written manual should include them. Was it 'proven' that they were right or wrong? Nope. It was more important that they ran a good operation and those things were just part of it. They definitely could have been valid. Was wondering if this is the same with Reiki...in spite of my 'blasphemies' it should be remembered that everything that practitioners do is 'valid'. Heck, I have my own crystals, meditations, etc. I use a lot of music in what I do, and I tell anyone who asks that it's NOT part of Reiki. On second thought, how about piano or guitar lessons added to Second Degree? I am looking for the 'KISS-oriented' Reiki web sites so it'll be easier for me to direct folks who want more info. Here's my latest 'ponder'....if a Reiki practitioner got a measurable result everytime he/she did a Reiki session, just by 'hands on' (or distance), how simple would Reiki be? Do we add extras because we feel 'basic' Reiki isn't sufficient? Is it sufficient? That's my homework for next week! Peace Rich Stuart Vernon wrote: > > Robert (rgrasso) wrote: > > > As with everything in life it's up to the individual to sort > > the hype from what's real and actually useful. What's > > real tends to persist and the fads fall by the wayside. > > True ... and as Rich said in the reply post "Could it be that > we are experiencing more of a 'dilution'?" > > The answer to that is "Yes" ... but more in a shedding-off of > false practices bolted on ... the "KISS" principle applies ... > > "Keep It Simple, Stupid" ... ;) > > Stuart ###### Message-ID: <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:02:57 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.20.244 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.20.244 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050908558 213.3.20.244 (21 Apr 2003 09:02:38 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 81 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5027 Good morning montane wrote: > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:00:56 +0200, Theo wrote: > > >*religions* did the rest making of the spontaneous free instinctive mind > >we had a chained mind , prisoner between some parameters out of them the > >person( free instinctive thinker ) was either satanic or insane or both and > >the system to cure this insanity was the stack or the asylum.. so many > >people shut up and most of humanity lost these gifts > > I am amazed since I am in the Internet maze how many people trough it, can > >freely express what they feel and think )90 % would not tell these things to > >their close friends relatives or colleagues) Well astrologically we are moving into Aquarius and the symbol of it are two waves Gary is right I have the same problem at home with my family but the y accept more or less the same thing when done by an *official * practicing Guru so there is a proverb * nobody is a prophet in its home" maybe it is the fact of familiarity maybe it is our attitude m personally I am shy to perform that with my wife Incidentally she fell on the floor yesterday with a dish in her hands we went at the hospital, 3 stitches for the wound , I had to be very quick in acting as we had people at home the blood stop almost immediately but I could not perform my practice unless when at home shy to be frank and open.. we will see how the speed she will heal I always thought ( I do not know how to get it) that we all should have maybe some *charisma* in this way people would feel more intimidate and accept instead of contesting or thinking we are out of the box ( just a little bit I mean ) The conditioning against charlatans or whatever is out of the classic medicine is frightening and justified. In my family I have almost 5 MD in different branches and 2 quite VIP they are trad fanatic even Homeopathic is evil so we use homeopathic since 25 years in silence with 95 % of success ! > > > A while back, Garry said that his family thinks he is crazy due to his > beliefs and practices. Well, I know what that is like. I have learned not > to discuss these things with my family, and I also refrain from discussing > them with a lot of other people. So the newsgroups is good. Yes it is excellent but does not solve the problem of *coming out* and this is making most of us acting like a conspiracy.. I have found few people working with Reiki all but one are physiotherapist so Reiki becomes a branch of it and more plausible the last one is an hairdresser but stinks by its attitude the con man miles away :-) In old times as I previously posted *the secret* was something passed form one person to another in the same family so it was in a sort a Gift that family possessed , moreover peel were living in insulated places especially in winter time ( as they explained in the TV ) so when someone needed an help the *local* healer was the first person at hand Having a open bald open attitude might work and anyway whatever one might do will always be someone to criticize . . Love and light to everybody Theo > > > I believe Garry also wrote that about 1% of the American urban population had > probably been attuned to Reiki. That is still a pretty small figure, but in > many smaller towns and in the countryside, the percentage may even be less. > > >and among the weirdo's some trust must be > > the World is changing or maybe waking up again after dark ages due by > >imposed logic and spirituality > > > > I believe things are slowly changing. ROTW for an age of enlightenment. > > montane -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: montanevine@netidea.com (montane) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:07:40 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-189.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5033 On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:02:57 +0200, Theo wrote: >montane wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:00:56 +0200, Theo wrote: > >Well astrologically we are moving into Aquarius and the symbol of it are two waves This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, The age of Aquarius, Aquarius, Aquarius. Harmony and understanding, Sympathy and trust abounding. No more falsehoods or derisions, Golden living dreams of visions, Mystic crystals revelations, And the minds true liberation... Aquarius, Aquarius..... montane, planning to dance under the stars tonight. ###### Message-ID: <3EA414D9.8E84D2A8@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:57:13 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.38.15 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.38.15 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1050940612 62.202.38.15 (21 Apr 2003 17:56:52 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 20 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5025 montane wrote: > where and at what time ? Namaste Theo > > > montane, planning to dance under the stars tonight. -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ea4839f.539569@news.earthlink.net> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:48:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.137.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1050968908 165.247.137.235 (Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:48:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:48:28 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5043 On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:07:40 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) wrote: >This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, >The age of Aquarius, >Aquarius, >Aquarius. > >Harmony and understanding, >Sympathy and trust abounding. >No more falsehoods or derisions, >Golden living dreams of visions, >Mystic crystals revelations, >And the minds true liberation... > >Aquarius, >Aquarius..... > > >montane, planning to dance under the stars tonight. Oh, my. That does take one back. Or, in the tradition of Mr. Peabody, Wayback. Thanks a bunch-now I can't get that tune out of my head! =:o Maybe I can cancel it out with another: What goes up, must come down. Spinnin' wheel, got to go round... Garry, all keyed up and nowhere to sing ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:07:00 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3EA4A3C3.AAD24D0C@nidlink.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> <3ea4839f.539569@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-120.imbris.com (216.18.141.120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1050977255 5772683 216.18.141.120 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-120.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5040 Nadie Niemand wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:07:40 GMT, montanevine@netidea.com (montane) > wrote: > > >This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, > >The age of Aquarius, > >Aquarius, > >Aquarius. > > > >Harmony and understanding, > >Sympathy and trust abounding. > >No more falsehoods or derisions, > >Golden living dreams of visions, > >Mystic crystals revelations, > >And the minds true liberation... > > > >Aquarius, > >Aquarius..... > > > > > >montane, planning to dance under the stars tonight. > > Oh, my. That does take one back. Or, in the tradition of Mr. Peabody, > Wayback. Thanks a bunch-now I can't get that tune out of my head! > =:o > > Maybe I can cancel it out with another: > > What goes up, must come down. > Spinnin' wheel, got to go round... > > Garry, all keyed up and nowhere to sing Grab Sherman and hijack the Wayback Machine! namaste, sue ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ea51f24.1239190@news.earthlink.net> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> <3ea4839f.539569@news.earthlink.net> <3EA4A3C3.AAD24D0C@nidlink.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:50:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.132.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1051008642 165.247.132.28 (Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:50:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:50:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5044 On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:07:00 -0700, suzee wrote: >Grab Sherman and hijack the Wayback Machine! And Natasha, don't forget moose and squirrel! Boris ###### From: "michael" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> <3ea4839f.539569@news.earthlink.net> <3EA4A3C3.AAD24D0C@nidlink.com> <3ea51f24.1239190@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:12:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.80.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1051017125 144.132.80.91 (Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:12:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:12:05 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5054 Can you half IMAGINE what it means to people who have been away to come back to a converstaion like this??? Love all Michael "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3ea51f24.1239190@news.earthlink.net... > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:07:00 -0700, suzee wrote: > > >Grab Sherman and hijack the Wayback Machine! > > And Natasha, don't forget moose and squirrel! > > Boris > ###### Message-ID: <3EA5474E.9E5D6A3A@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:44:47 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> <3ea4839f.539569@news.earthlink.net> <3EA4A3C3.AAD24D0C@nidlink.com> <3ea51f24.1239190@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.195.239 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.195.239 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1051018736 195.186.195.239 (22 Apr 2003 15:38:56 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 22 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5047 Thank you Michael I did not understand a peanut either and was feeling silly.. Theo michael wrote: > Can you half IMAGINE what it means to people who have been away to come back > to a converstaion like this??? > > Love all > > Michael > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3ea51f24.1239190@news.earthlink.net... > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:07:00 -0700, suzee wrote: > > > > >Grab Sherman and hijack the Wayback Machine! > > > > And Natasha, don't forget moose and squirrel! > > > > Boris > > ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:07:15 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3EA54C93.54B56BA0@nidlink.com> References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EA397A1.ADBA09BC@ch.inter.net> <3ea3f9f9.26756106@news.netidea.com> <3ea4839f.539569@news.earthlink.net> <3EA4A3C3.AAD24D0C@nidlink.com> <3ea51f24.1239190@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-168.imbris.com (216.18.141.168) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1051020468 6182090 216.18.141.168 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-168.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5049 michael wrote: > > Can you half IMAGINE what it means to people who have been away to come back > to a converstaion like this??? > > Love all > > Michael Especially if you didn't grow up watching American cartoons! ;) namaste, sue ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EAD6FEC.2193E795@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:17:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1051553832 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:17:12 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:17:12 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5300 montane wrote: > > A while back, Garry said that his family thinks he is crazy due to his > beliefs and practices. Well, I know what that is like. I have learned not > to discuss these things with my family, and I also refrain from discussing > them with a lot of other people. So the newsgroup is good. A couple of years ago, when I was still working, there was a chap who had been receiving chiropractic for a back injury. He said the Doc had also done 'some weird stuff like passing his hands through the air over the injury.' I said that maybe he was doing Reiki. They went, "Huh?" I said a few things about it and said I had taken some training. Later, one of the other guys who heard me, took me aside and said his wife was a Reiki practitioner. He told me of another fellow-worker whose wife was also a practitioner. So, within that day we discovered three practitioners where we each thought there was only one. > > I believe Garry also wrote that about 1% of the American urban population had > probably been attuned to Reiki. That is still a pretty small figure, but in > many smaller towns and in the countryside, the percentage may even be less. Are there 'hotbeds' of Reiki? Maybe the question has been answered. I forget. There used to be hotbeds of the 'human potential movement'. Sausalito, Calif. comes to mind. Lots of energy activity around Sedona, Arizona. Any such places for Reiki practitioners? On a slightly different track, I read that for all the healings happening at Lourdes, very few locals have ever been healed. > I believe things are slowly changing. ROTW for an age of enlightenment. Amen! Rich ###### Message-ID: <3EAD7535.223B073@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:38:46 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <3ea31535.18947646@news.netidea.com> <3EAD6FEC.2193E795@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1051555104 213.3.38.131 (28 Apr 2003 20:38:24 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 39 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5287 Rich wrote: > montane wrote: > > > > Very intersting and lovely indeed you have been lucky to find 2 close peoplr that do Reiki > > On a slightly different track, I read that for all the healings > happening > at Lourdes, very few locals have ever been healed. AHHHHHH horror ! cannot do Reiki at Lourdes thay will kill you At Lourdes the forst one to be miraculates are French and after spanish and Italians the last ones.. I followed a TV inquiry quite intersting .. espcially the open horrid jelousy and negativity of most MD intervieved > > I believe things are slowly changing. ROTW for an age of enlightenment. Sicut voluntas Tua Namste Theo > > > Amen! > Rich -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:07 +0100 (BST) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3EAD7535.223B073@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1051556835 11377152 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5295 (Theo) wrote: > At Lourdes the forst one to be miraculates are French and after > spanish and Italians the last ones This true? You mean there's a pecking order? Stuart ###### Message-ID: <3EAD8D0A.94D280EC@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:20:27 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <3EAD7535.223B073@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1051561205 213.3.38.131 (28 Apr 2003 22:20:05 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 44 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5311 There is a great athmosphere that makes a lot of people feel in their very deep I have seen a witness of an old french guy that recovered from Marrow sclerosis an end stage he had plenty of certificates from doctors that cured him about his desease, he went in his hotel after the mass and felt a horrid cold and went in bed.. a little later he needed to look for something and without thinking mouved as any oherr normal person would have done out of his bed .. The doctor interwiewed said.." Nobody can recover form such illness if he is fine now he will fall back again .. That doctor was real evil ! there is always something *very cold* when these things happens I remember when kid in the catholic church I was sensing people coming back from having taken the communion as I felt they had * a cold halo* it lasted very short after Namaste Theo Judy Rigby wrote: > Stuart Vernon writes > >(Theo) wrote: > > > >> At Lourdes the forst one to be miraculates are French and after > >> spanish and Italians the last ones > > > >This true? You mean there's a pecking order? > > I think he's talking success rates. I've a client with severe > rheumatoid arthritis who goes to Lourdes every year ... loves it. Comes > back ... not cured, but definitely even more at peace than she is before > she goes, so can't knock it. > > -- > Judy > http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html > http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### Message-ID: <3EAD8DE4.CC58A626@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:24:04 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1051561422 213.3.38.131 (28 Apr 2003 22:23:42 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 24 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5313 Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Judy Rigby) wrote: > > > I think he's talking success rates > > I still think he's talking about preferences .. > > We need to know what "miraculates" means ... ;) > > Stuart Easy example : to delivery AHR members from Joel Echem Namaste Theo -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:27 +0100 (BST) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3EAD8B18.51E4E52F@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1051561621 10830137 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5338 (Theo) wrote: > yes a cue .. Frenchies are the first at the Grace distribution ... > the french paradoxe maybe Ha! ... I am vindicated ... ;) > BTW Brigitte Bardot ( for talking about a frenchie) and Sophia Loren > italian are Libras also ... You're showing your age ... and so am I in stating that the prime Frenchwoman is Catherine Deneuve (gorgeous) ... or even Edith Cresson (who thinks I'm a quarter homosexual) ... ;) Stuart ###### Message-ID: <3EAD92A4.A9803EF8@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:44:20 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <3EAD8B18.51E4E52F@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1051562638 213.3.38.131 (28 Apr 2003 22:43:58 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 39 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5310 Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Theo) wrote: > > > yes a cue .. Frenchies are the first at the Grace distribution ... > > the french paradoxe maybe > > Ha! ... I am vindicated ... ;) > > > > > BTW Brigitte Bardot ( for talking about a frenchie) and Sophia Loren > > italian are Libras also ... > > You're showing your age ... and so am I in stating that the prime > Frenchwoman is Catherine Deneuve (gorgeous) ... or even Edith Cresson > (who thinks I'm a quarter homosexual) ... ;) I never hided my age Catherine is a glacial beauty a quarter homosexual .. a quarter, 1/3 11/25 ½ what does it mean ? Theo Theo > > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:54 +0100 (BST) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3EAD92A4.A9803EF8@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1051563298 11146097 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5344 (Theo) wrote: > Catherine is a glacial beauty Yes ... a precious ice sculpture ... > a quarter homosexual .. a quarter, 1/3 11/25 ½ what does it > mean ? Edith once remarked (in the usual pro-France manner - latterly seen within the UN discussions pre-Iraq) that a quarter of Englishmen are homosexual ... Stuart ###### Message-ID: <3EAD96D2.4F0218A8@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:02:11 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <3EAD92A4.A9803EF8@ch.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.38.131 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1051563709 213.3.38.131 (28 Apr 2003 23:01:49 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 31 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5305 Stuart Vernon wrote: > (Theo) wrote: > > Catherine is a glacial beauty > Yes ... a precious ice sculpture ... > > a quarter homosexual .. a quarter, 1/3 11/25 ½ what does it > > mean ? > > Edith once remarked (in the usual pro-France manner - latterly > seen within the UN discussions pre-Iraq) that a quarter of > Englishmen are homosexual ... hehehheheh ! the Hospital that is teasing the Charity we say .. or she should first broom before her door .. Gay-- homosexual all humans have a little bit of ,that ranges from a lil'l percent to a 100 % and and even beyond ( transexual ) but who cares .. Theo > > > Stuart -- How can You put trust in me if I do not trust in Me? Theo http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:09 +0100 (BST) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3EAD96D2.4F0218A8@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1051564157 11480494 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5342 (Theo) wrote: > Gay-- homosexual all humans have a little bit of ,that ranges from > a lil'l percent to a 100 % and and even beyond ( transexual ) Of course we do ... > but who cares .. Who cares? Stuart ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.144.1.130 Message-ID: <3EADA9EA.F7673FFD@shaw.ca> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki History 'Timeline' References: <7d74cd4e.0304130531.651e8846@posting.google.com> <3e997a84.18030450@news.netidea.com> <3e9a21b2.8056811@news.earthlink.net> <3E9B8DBB.3040202@netvision.net.il> <3e9f75a4.98544763@news.netidea.com> <3e9fd732.1978776@news.earthlink.net> <7d74cd4e.0304180735.684a3aa2@posting.google.com> <3EA1B2CC.9283551B@shaw.ca> <3EA245A7.DCCE809E@ch.inter.net> <6u4r4syk55.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:24:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1051568679 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:24:39 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:24:39 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:5357 Neil Franklin wrote: > > With people on the net you have no dependency, so nothing to fear, > appart from perhaps some skeptic flaming you, or filling your mailbox. Do you suppose video technology on the Net would change flaming to mooning? > > > the World is changing or maybe waking up again after dark ages due by > > imposed logic and spirituality >