From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] Date: 6 Apr 2003 18:06:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1049677580 11634 127.0.0.1 (7 Apr 2003 01:06:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2003 01:06:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4628 Background: I met my Reiki master at a Ki seminar given by my Aikido Sensei some years back. She (Reiki master) was having trouble with an excercise. I asked her "where she went" (i.e., what her state was) when she did Reiki. She said "It's like this" and did the excercise in exactly the way that we were doing it coming from the other direction (learning Ki for Aikido). (The excercise, for those interested is this: get a partner, both standing. Put your hand on the back of your partner's head and pull it toward you. ANY tension, force, malicious intent,... will make your partner's neck tighten up immediately. Don't pull hard enough to hurt, just to test this fact. Now BRING partner's head toward you with love/Ki/hand just like you use in Reiki/as if you are bringing an infant's head to your chest. If it is done right, partner WILL come, whether they want to or no. You are using Ki - "blended Ki" - to move partner.) How this relates: Aikido is in a sense the art of using Ki on someone who doesn't yet know that they want it (;^)). If you intend to harm, you are not using Ki. The "Ki State" for Aikido and that for Reiki seems to me the same. The intention has to be as "pure" for the martial art as for the healing, i.e. loving, or you are using force, not Ki. But patently the recipient did not start out wanting to be helped in this way. ("Helped" in the sense of helped to regain harmony with the correct functioning of the universe, with which (s)he had momentarily lost touch...) Anyway, the thread about intent and did the recipient *want* to be healed and all got me thinking about the other uses of Ki. I don't think that anything said about having the greatest good or the partner is being violated here, though obviously an attacker is not being consulted at the outset. (Interestingly, when an excercise like the one above is done with Ki, partner can't seem to form the "will" to resist or impede the technique. This does NOT apply to the control techniques - they want to leave but can't.) Peter Warning: If you attack, I WILL heal you. hmmmmmmm ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] Lines: 58 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.165.199.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com 1049678065 ST000 64.165.199.26 (Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:14:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:14:25 EDT X-UserInfo1: [[PGW^GDTRWUCUH]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHDK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 01:14:25 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!rip!news.webusenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4636 I don't understand the connection you are trying to explain. In order for me to "bring" my partners head toward me, I have to have proper physical alignment... yes? Does improper physical alignment impair the transmission of Reiki? -- Steven Buck, CMT - San Francisco, CA "Peterz" wrote in message news:4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com... > Background: > > I met my Reiki master at a Ki seminar given by my Aikido Sensei some > years back. She (Reiki master) was having trouble with an excercise. I > asked her "where she went" (i.e., what her state was) when she did > Reiki. She said "It's like this" and did the excercise in exactly the > way that we were doing it coming from the other direction (learning Ki > for Aikido). > > (The excercise, for those interested is this: get a partner, both > standing. Put your hand on the back of your partner's head and pull it > toward you. ANY tension, force, malicious intent,... will make your > partner's neck tighten up immediately. Don't pull hard enough to hurt, > just to test this fact. Now BRING partner's head toward you with > love/Ki/hand just like you use in Reiki/as if you are bringing an > infant's head to your chest. If it is done right, partner WILL come, > whether they want to or no. You are using Ki - "blended Ki" - to move > partner.) > > How this relates: > > Aikido is in a sense the art of using Ki on someone who doesn't yet > know that they want it (;^)). If you intend to harm, you are not using > Ki. The "Ki State" for Aikido and that for Reiki seems to me the same. > The intention has to be as "pure" for the martial art as for the > healing, i.e. loving, or you are using force, not Ki. But patently the > recipient did not start out wanting to be helped in this way. > ("Helped" in the sense of helped to regain harmony with the correct > functioning of the universe, with which (s)he had momentarily lost > touch...) > > Anyway, the thread about intent and did the recipient *want* to be > healed and all got me thinking about the other uses of Ki. I don't > think that anything said about having the greatest good or the partner > is being violated here, though obviously an attacker is not being > consulted at the outset. (Interestingly, when an excercise like the > one above is done with Ki, partner can't seem to form the "will" to > resist or impede the technique. This does NOT apply to the control > techniques - they want to leave but can't.) > > Peter > > Warning: If you attack, I WILL heal you. > > hmmmmmmm ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] Date: 7 Apr 2003 06:52:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1049723521 4375 127.0.0.1 (7 Apr 2003 13:52:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2003 13:52:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4644 Steven: I presume that we are discussing the exercise: If you try to pull your partner toward you, they will resist. (Neck tightens up pretty quiclky - there is a defensive reaction...) If you then stand there and give Reiki to the person in the same place, you will be able to move them (so long as you keep giving Reiki). Don't focus on the "physical alignment" (although you can get into positions that make you start to "pull"). Geez this is easy to show, almost impossible to explain. Sorry if it's still not clear. We'll keep trying... P "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:... > I don't understand the connection you are trying to explain. In order for > me to "bring" my partners head toward me, I have to have proper physical > alignment... yes? Does improper physical alignment impair the transmission > of Reiki? > > -- > Steven Buck, CMT > - San Francisco, CA > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com... > > Background: [snip] > > (The excercise, for those interested is this: get a partner, both > > standing. Put your hand on the back of your partner's head and pull it > > toward you. ANY tension, force, malicious intent,... will make your > > partner's neck tighten up immediately. Don't pull hard enough to hurt, > > just to test this fact. Now BRING partner's head toward you with > > love/Ki/hand just like you use in Reiki/as if you are bringing an > > infant's head to your chest. If it is done right, partner WILL come, > > whether they want to or no. You are using Ki - "blended Ki" - to move > > partner.) > > >[snip] ###### From: "Vanessa" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> <4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: <1cqka.5326$zc.165619@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:09:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.138.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1049767805 216.209.138.119 (Mon, 07 Apr 2003 22:10:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 22:10:05 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4671 If I take what you were saying correctly, you were trying to say that if you approach someone with love, they will respond. Any malicious intent and they will reject? Blessed Be, Vanessa "Peterz" wrote in message news:4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com... > Steven: > > I presume that we are discussing the exercise: If you try to pull your > partner toward you, they will resist. (Neck tightens up pretty quiclky > - there is a defensive reaction...) If you then stand there and give > Reiki to the person in the same place, you will be able to move them > (so long as you keep giving Reiki). Don't focus on the "physical > alignment" (although you can get into positions that make you start to > "pull"). Geez this is easy to show, almost impossible to explain. > > Sorry if it's still not clear. We'll keep trying... > P --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003 ###### Message-ID: <3E92659B.3501D740@ch.inter.net> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:01:00 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] References: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> <4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com> <1cqka.5326$zc.165619@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.41.222 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.41.222 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1049781638 62.202.41.222 (8 Apr 2003 08:00:38 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 41 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4655 I think is like to pull someone to you with kindness.. if the person abandon to the draw it is ok if instead *feels* your gesture as something malicious the person stiffens ..it is a position that is far too close and each person invades the other's person space Namaste Theo Vanessa wrote: > If I take what you were saying correctly, you were trying to say that if you > approach someone with love, they will respond. Any malicious intent and > they will reject? > > Blessed Be, > Vanessa > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com... > > Steven: > > > > I presume that we are discussing the exercise: If you try to pull your > > partner toward you, they will resist. (Neck tightens up pretty quiclky > > - there is a defensive reaction...) If you then stand there and give > > Reiki to the person in the same place, you will be able to move them > > (so long as you keep giving Reiki). Don't focus on the "physical > > alignment" (although you can get into positions that make you start to > > "pull"). Geez this is easy to show, almost impossible to explain. > > > > Sorry if it's still not clear. We'll keep trying... > > P > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003 -- There is something beyond Death , and you'll have the eternity to find it out http://www.byjoke.com/ ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] Date: 8 Apr 2003 06:17:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0304080517.4b83bfcf@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> <4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com> <1cqka.5326$zc.165619@news20.bellglobal.com> <3E92659B.3501D740@ch.inter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1049807853 21806 127.0.0.1 (8 Apr 2003 13:17:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2003 13:17:33 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4681 You both have the right idea. If I touch you with kindness and love - a Reiki touch - you can move a person physically whether they wanted to go or not. ANY tension/intent to hurt or manipulate or anything and they will stop you. Steven: Just use this idea - the physical movement can be anything (hug, move head, throw, joint control,...). It may help. Anyway, the point is that as long as the right intent is maintained, I can send you Ki even though you did not want it... The moment that I change the intent (to hurt, some ego thing, ...) I am no longer sending Ki. And you will notice it right away and stop accepting whatever I was trying to do. Do it with love, Peter Theo wrote in message news:<3E92659B.3501D740@ch.inter.net>... > I think is like to pull someone to you with kindness.. if the person > abandon to the draw it is ok if instead *feels* your gesture as something > malicious the person stiffens ..it is a position that is far too close and > each person invades the other's person space > Namaste > Theo > > Vanessa wrote: > > > If I take what you were saying correctly, you were trying to say that if you > > approach someone with love, they will respond. Any malicious intent and > > they will reject? > > > > Blessed Be, > > Vanessa > > ###### Message-ID: <3E92E365.56D055D@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:57:42 +0200 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Sending unasked-for Ki [was unasked-for Reiki and Karma] References: <4ef40597.0304061706.49beec0f@posting.google.com> <4ef40597.0304070552.3708a536@posting.google.com> <1cqka.5326$zc.165619@news20.bellglobal.com> <3E92659B.3501D740@ch.inter.net> <4ef40597.0304080517.4b83bfcf@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.85.134 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.3.85.134 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1049813548 213.3.85.134 (8 Apr 2003 16:52:28 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news2.ip-plus.net,newsfeed2-zh.ip-plus.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4652 I think that is a basic problem related to the sexual barriers also if the person facing you is not * accepted by your subconscious* as a possible partner ""you are not under his charm" you feel a reject reponse at once of course the context has a great importance... you can accept from a doctor in his aseptical context a gesture that might put you in alert mode if coming from someone else .. Namaste Theo Just Peterz wrote: > You both have the right idea. If I touch you with kindness and love - > a Reiki touch - you can move a person physically whether they wanted > to go or not. ANY tension/intent to hurt or manipulate or anything and > they will stop you. > > Steven: Just use this idea - the physical movement can be anything > (hug, move head, throw, joint control,...). It may help. > > Anyway, the point is that as long as the right intent is maintained, I > can send you Ki even though you did not want it... The moment that I > change the intent (to hurt, some ego thing, ...) I am no longer > sending Ki. And you will notice it right away and stop accepting > whatever I was trying to do. > > Do it with love, > > Peter > > Theo wrote in message news:<3E92659B.3501D740@ch.inter.net>... > > I think is like to pull someone to you with kindness.. if the person > > abandon to the draw it is ok if instead *feels* your gesture as something > > malicious the person stiffens ..it is a position that is far too close and > > each person invades the other's person space > > Namaste > > Theo > > > > Vanessa wrote: > > > > > If I take what you were saying correctly, you were trying to say that if you > > > approach someone with love, they will respond. Any malicious intent and > > > they will reject? > > > > > > Blessed Be, > > > Vanessa > > >