From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:06:39 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 84 Message-ID: <3e7f102f.39831698@news.netidea.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-709.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4160 Hi, Peter Interesting post. There is always much in Reiki to stimulate thought. Many mysteries, perhaps, things difficult to grasp. Speculation is fun. Please relate some of your Reiki experiences that point beyond the common sense or the common experience of time. I, for one, would find your experiences interesting to hear about. Blessings from the north, Joel On 24 Mar 2003 04:44:10 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >Energy as physicists use the word is bound into the usual constraints >of time and space. I am trying to understand the nature of Reiki >"energy" in terms of the physical world. Doctors and physicists can >just start to measure some of the effects of Reiki (and other energy >healing modalities), but neither the models nor the techniques are up >to the task yet. > >If I light a candle (rather than cursing the darkness), the light >energy is bound by time (it cannot light the room before it has been >lit itself, nor for any significant length of time after it is blown >out), and by space (inverse square law for intensity), and by the >combination of the two (finite, tho large, speed). A channel for this >energy is - e.g., a fibre-optic cable, but all rules apply, and the >channel does not amplify the energy, just directs it. > >We are creatures of energy, movement, healing, cell processes all use >measurable energy. There is some thought that what healers do is >synchronize with the magnetic field of the earth, and by constructive >interference having more electromagnetic energy available to them. >(See for example, http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Healing/bunnell.htm >). Increased electromagnetic fields have been measured from the hands >of Reiki practitioners when they were giving Reiki. Providing this >focused, increased energy to the subject helps them heal. This >electromagnetic energy behaves as physicists understand it should. > >This can make sense as a model for close-distance or touch Reiki. >(Whether correct or not, the model does not require me to violate the >laws of physics as we currently think of them.) > >The notions of sending Reiki to another time violate physical laws of >this sort *if* we think of it as energy that arrives at some past or >future point in space-time. The candle can only light the room after >it is turned off until the last light from it has traveled to the >furthest reach of the room. To send Reiki to the future is fine as a >model to say that I face the future event in the best possible way. >That is, I am giving myself Reiki with the future event as a focus. >That way, when the event takes place, I have predisposed myself in the >best possible way, and may even remember to enter into a ki state. >(Post-hypnotic suggestion model.) Likewise, sending Reiki to a past >event will not change the event, but may heal me or a subject who is >involved with trying to heal whatever happened then. (I cannot make >Joan-of-Arc's final moments any easier, though I can make myself feel >easier about them.) Again, we can use a conventional notion of energy. > >Now for the tricky part: Distance Healing. > >If we are using - or channeling - "conventional" energy, then the >effect of distance Reiki should reduce over greater distance. (It >should also take some time to "get there", but we can't measure any of >this, let alone the speed of energy...) And the amount of power >required to go any distance would be pretty awesome. (If you stood a >few feet in front of a functioning RADAR dish at an airport or large >radio station antenna you would be cooked, literally.) >Furthermore, we are often asked to send Reiki to someone whose >location is unknown to us. If I had to light up an unknown location, I >would have to send light everywhere. That is, conventional energy is >directional. > >The only thing that I can postulate here is that we project our >intention to be local to the subject. (When I give distance Reiki it >is as if I were at the subject's location, wherever that is.) But how? > >hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com ###### Message-ID: <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:05:15 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no-spam-byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,it,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.224.96 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.224.96 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048521640 195.186.224.96 (24 Mar 2003 17:00:40 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 71 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4151 Hi Peterz Peterz wrote: > EThe notions of sending Reiki to another time violate physical laws of > this sort *if* we think of it as energy that arrives at some past or > future point in space-time. not so sure some particles travel in time and get forth and back .. > The candle can only light the room after > it is turned off until the last light from it has traveled to the > furthest reach of the room. it is another form of energy much more * crude* > To send Reiki to the future is fine as a > model to say that I face the future event in the best possible way. > That is, I am giving myself Reiki with the future event as a focus. so do I everyday to feel fine and to past > > That way, when the event takes place, I have predisposed myself in the > best possible way, and may even remember to enter into a ki state. > (Post-hypnotic suggestion model.) Likewise, sending Reiki to a past > event will not change the event, but may heal me or a subject who is > involved with trying to heal whatever happened then. (I cannot make > Joan-of-Arc's final moments any easier, though I can make myself feel > easier about them.) Again, we can use a conventional notion of energy. also sand to past for my sooth Karma to heal healing .. I do not believe much in Karma but if it exists it might help anyway > > Now for the tricky part: Distance Healing. > > If we are using - or channeling - "conventional" energy, then the > effect of distance Reiki should reduce over greater distance. (It > should also take some time to "get there", but we can't measure any of > this, let alone the speed of energy...) And the amount of power > required to go any distance would be pretty awesome. (If you stood a > few feet in front of a functioning RADAR dish at an airport or large > radio station antenna you would be cooked, literally.) > Furthermore, we are often asked to send Reiki to someone whose > location is unknown to us. If I had to light up an unknown location, I > would have to send light everywhere. That is, conventional energy is > directional. > > The only thing that I can postulate here is that we project our > intention to be local to the subject. (When I give distance Reiki it > is as if I were at the subject's location, wherever that is.) But how? > think not in materialist way of distances, think all is NOW and yesterday at the same I exist in yesterday and in now and in tomorrow if I chnage teh consciousness I can be yesterday now and tomorrow. I think just now that within 10 days I think that I had this thought right now.. within 10 days I think what I thought right now and create a link but teh link has been created already now for the future > > hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. > > Peterz > > www.onreiki.com ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048533526 77664465 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4165 (Peterz) wrote: > The only thing that I can postulate here is that we project our > intention to be local to the subject. (When I give distance Reiki it > is as if I were at the subject's location, wherever that is.) But how? The Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky Paradox ... aka Bell's Theorem ... http://members.aol.com/rick3in1/nature/lore.htm "If you could observe a photon particle near Pluto, you could know the behaviour of its partner (progeny) photon on Earth. According to quantum theory, everything in the universe is connected energy. All behaviours and all thoughts have some effect, somewhere. Life is not always what it appears to be." - Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky paradox Stuart ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 24 Mar 2003 13:05:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303241305.15120feb@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7f102f.39831698@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048539946 20470 127.0.0.1 (24 Mar 2003 21:05:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2003 21:05:46 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4161 The Great White North, eh? (I am in Ottawa. How North are you?) Anyway, I do not have any that point beyond the normal idea of time. The time I can conceive as healing now what happened then, or eliminating bad ideas about something yet to happen. (That is, the "time" is inside the person.) I have had some success with distance Reiki, and that messes up my ideas about space/energy more than time. That's that one that I would love to get a handle on... Peter ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 24 Mar 2003 13:09:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048540172 20612 127.0.0.1 (24 Mar 2003 21:09:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2003 21:09:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4162 [snip] > think not in materialist way of distances, think all is NOW and yesterday at the > same > I exist in yesterday and in now and in tomorrow if I chnage teh consciousness I can > be yesterday now and tomorrow. > I think just now that within 10 days I think that I had this thought right now.. > within 10 days I think what I thought right now and create a link but teh link has > been created already now for the future > > > Theo: This is not distance though. It is time, and that one is ok. Because in me things from yesterday I can heal today. It does not change what happened yesterday, only makes it good now. But position - how can I help you if I don't know if you are in Italy or South America? Is everywhere the same place? (mmmmmmmm) Peter ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:12 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048540363 77614981 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!seven.news.surf.net!surfnet.nl!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4163 (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > http://members.aol.com/rick3in1/nature/ I took time out to explore this site ... excellent ... :) Stuart ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 25 Mar 2003 00:01:07 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6uwuio4bf0.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7f102f.39831698@news.netidea.com> <4ef40597.0303241305.15120feb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1048546867 2414 10.0.3.2 (24 Mar 2003 23:01:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2003 23:01:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4167 peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) writes: > I have had some success with distance Reiki, and that messes up my > ideas about space/energy more than time. That's that one that I would > love to get a handle on... Regard the ideas as what they are: Approximations that hold in most normal cases. That has a long tradition in science. Newtons physics is known to be "wrong" (in the sense that it mispredicts under near-relativity conditions), but it is still approximate enough (and correct enough) under normal conditions (such as in engineering (exept space flight)). And then quantum effects were found and Newton and relativity are both "wrong". Even worse, quantum was also "instantly wrong" as it does not predict relativity. At present there actually exists no theory that can predict relativity and quantum stuff, and so no theory that fully describes the world, even just as far as it is observed by science! And even if we have such a theory, it may be any day killed by yet annother previously unknown effect. Who knows, perhaps Reiki is that effect, waiting in the wings :-). OTOH perhaps once quantum is understood at a higher level than single elementary particles interacting, as side effect Reiki may also be. So just learn to regard all signal over distance propagation science as an approximation that works for electronics, but fails at Reiki. If it is just curiosity you have, where a few speculations will suffice, you could also do an search for material on spiritism, such as the Seth stuff, or try the Robert A Monroe "Journeys" series. Both describe an similar view of matter as something that is controlled by spirit/soul/mind. Sort of with the "normal" behaviour of matter being regarded as its "on autopilot" behaviour, with willpower being able to "take over" and change it into anything, if the willing person can get themselves to believe in it being possible. This goes because mind is regarded as more fundamental than matter, i.e. predates it and even created it. Such theories are strage to people who have grown up assuming matter to pre-exist and mind to "run" as "software" on the brain "computer". But they seem to be consistant, and do not collide with any known observation. But also have only weak predictive ability, as anything is possible in them. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:29 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <6uwuio4bf0.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048548551 79950082 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4180 (Neil Franklin) wrote: > This goes because mind is regarded as > more fundamental than matter, i.e. predates it and even created it. Nice post, Neil ... I posted this in the group back in 1997 .. "The Master Key" by Charles F. Haanel first published in 1916 which is remarkable in that it describes the quantum nature of what we refer to as Reiki "energy" Some extracts from the book ... comments in [..] are mine .. "Life is an unfoldment, not accretion. What comes to us in the world without is what we already possess in the world within" "We live in a fathomless sea of plastic mind substance. This substance is ever alive and active. It is sensitive to the highest degree. It takes form according to the mental demand. Thought forms the mould or matrix from which the substance expresses." "All agree that there is but one Principle or Consciousness pervading the entire Universe, occupying all space, and essentially the same in kind at every point of its presence. It is all powerful, all wisdom and always present. All thoughts and things are in Itself. It is all in all." "The whole range then of the theory and practice of any system of metaphysics consists in knowing the Truth concerning yourself and the world in which you live; in knowing that to express harmony you must think harmony; in order to express health you must think health; and in order to express abundance you must think abundance; to do this you must reverse the evidence of the senses." "When you come to know that every form of disease, sickness, lack and limitation are simply the result of wrong thinking, you will have come to know "the Truth which shall make you free". You will see how mountains may be removed. If these mountains consist only of doubt, fear, distrust or other forms of discouragement, they are none the less real, and they need not only to be removed but to be "cast into the sea"." "If you desire to help someone, to destroy some form of lack, limitation or error, the correct method is not to think of the person whom you wish to help; the intention to help him is entirely sufficient, as this puts you in mental touch with the person [and not a distant healing symbol in sight]. Then drive out of your mind any belief of lack, limitation, disease, danger, difficulty or whatever the trouble might be. As soon as you have succeeded in doing this the result will have been accomplished, and the person will be free." [The above paragraph, as it reads, implies the formation of intent of the helper-personality, but I believe his words to mean the *real* you, as below] "If you see only the incomplete, the imperfect, the relative, the limited, these conditions will manifest in your life; but if you train your mind to see and realise the spiritual ego, the "I" which is for ever perfect and complete, then harmonious, wholesome and healthful conditions only will be manifested." Stuart ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 113 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 03:29:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.135.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048562951 165.247.135.5 (Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:29:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:29:11 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.uncensored-news.com!propagator-sanjose!news-in-sanjose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4177 Peter, everyone else already said all the good stuff, except this: What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. Or so we believe. :-) As far as physics go, it just seemed to me that if you don't have any problem with time, then you don't have any problem with distance, and vice versa. After all, at least in special and general relativity, we speak of space-time since you can't really separate the two (although we certainly prefer to when doing our Newtonian physics). I think the "real" basis of Reiki is that "we" are all just temporarily manifesting facets of the One. But now I'm drifting away from physics and into metaphysics.... If reiki is, at least in part, electromagnetic in nature (of which I'm not yet convinced, but anyways...), as you have speculated, there is no problem with reiki reaching around the world in an instant, since it doesn't take radio or tv any longer than that to do the same. And speaking of which, perhaps that is a better analogy than a beam of light. If reiki *is* electromagnetic in nature, if we are attuning ourselves with the earth's magnetic and electric fields and using that in some way, the frequency is very, very low, (earth resonance frequency, more or less in the same range as the brain's alpha, theta and delta waves) which means the wavelength is very, very long, which means hills and valleys and being halfway around the world are less of an obstacle, no? And if you're broadcasting in all directions, all it would take to reach the person you intended it for is a receiver tuned to the station, ie, someone intending to receive what you are sending. Now, how intent lines up with getting the body's various electrical, and magnetic, blood, nerve, magnetite, liquid crystal, bone, etc receivers ready to pick up the right signal, I have no idea. I'm already way out of my league. :-) Way past my bedtime; I'll have to give up for now. But good dream fodder! I'll sleep on it and hope for the best... namaste, Garry On 24 Mar 2003 04:44:10 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >Energy as physicists use the word is bound into the usual constraints >of time and space. I am trying to understand the nature of Reiki >"energy" in terms of the physical world. Doctors and physicists can >just start to measure some of the effects of Reiki (and other energy >healing modalities), but neither the models nor the techniques are up >to the task yet. > >If I light a candle (rather than cursing the darkness), the light >energy is bound by time (it cannot light the room before it has been >lit itself, nor for any significant length of time after it is blown >out), and by space (inverse square law for intensity), and by the >combination of the two (finite, tho large, speed). A channel for this >energy is - e.g., a fibre-optic cable, but all rules apply, and the >channel does not amplify the energy, just directs it. > >We are creatures of energy, movement, healing, cell processes all use >measurable energy. There is some thought that what healers do is >synchronize with the magnetic field of the earth, and by constructive >interference having more electromagnetic energy available to them. >(See for example, http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Healing/bunnell.htm >). Increased electromagnetic fields have been measured from the hands >of Reiki practitioners when they were giving Reiki. Providing this >focused, increased energy to the subject helps them heal. This >electromagnetic energy behaves as physicists understand it should. > >This can make sense as a model for close-distance or touch Reiki. >(Whether correct or not, the model does not require me to violate the >laws of physics as we currently think of them.) > >The notions of sending Reiki to another time violate physical laws of >this sort *if* we think of it as energy that arrives at some past or >future point in space-time. The candle can only light the room after >it is turned off until the last light from it has traveled to the >furthest reach of the room. To send Reiki to the future is fine as a >model to say that I face the future event in the best possible way. >That is, I am giving myself Reiki with the future event as a focus. >That way, when the event takes place, I have predisposed myself in the >best possible way, and may even remember to enter into a ki state. >(Post-hypnotic suggestion model.) Likewise, sending Reiki to a past >event will not change the event, but may heal me or a subject who is >involved with trying to heal whatever happened then. (I cannot make >Joan-of-Arc's final moments any easier, though I can make myself feel >easier about them.) Again, we can use a conventional notion of energy. > >Now for the tricky part: Distance Healing. > >If we are using - or channeling - "conventional" energy, then the >effect of distance Reiki should reduce over greater distance. (It >should also take some time to "get there", but we can't measure any of >this, let alone the speed of energy...) And the amount of power >required to go any distance would be pretty awesome. (If you stood a >few feet in front of a functioning RADAR dish at an airport or large >radio station antenna you would be cooked, literally.) >Furthermore, we are often asked to send Reiki to someone whose >location is unknown to us. If I had to light up an unknown location, I >would have to send light everywhere. That is, conventional energy is >directional. > >The only thing that I can postulate here is that we project our >intention to be local to the subject. (When I give distance Reiki it >is as if I were at the subject's location, wherever that is.) But how? > >hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. > >Peterz > >www.onreiki.com ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:08:46 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3e7fd4ff.50858836@news.netidea.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7f102f.39831698@news.netidea.com> <4ef40597.0303241305.15120feb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-195.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4176 On 24 Mar 2003 13:05:46 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >The Great White North, eh? (I am in Ottawa. How North are you?) > Hah! I guess I can't be "northi-er than thou" -- I'm in the BC mountains, just above parallel 49. But still, Great White North in this way: we really do have beaver, muskrat, coyotes, eagles, geese, loons, bear, elk, and mountain lions around here. For wildlife, I guess you have politicians! Nammy, Joel ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 25 Mar 2003 23:22:22 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 142 Message-ID: <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1048630942 438 10.0.3.2 (25 Mar 2003 22:22:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2003 22:22:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4184 nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) writes: > What is mind? No matter. > What is matter? Never mind. Nice one that. > vice versa. After all, at least in special and general relativity, we > speak of space-time since you can't really separate the two (although > we certainly prefer to when doing our Newtonian physics). And there we run into one of the big problems today. Most people still think in pre-relativity physics. Let allone thinking in pre-quantum physics. And then get such problems with stuff travelling in time. > manifesting facets of the One. But now I'm drifting away from physics > and into metaphysics.... Metaphysics, which may very well by physics, if we just managed to understand the full consequences of relativity, and in particular of quantum, or even the combination of both, if we even had such an combined theory. > If reiki is, at least in part, electromagnetic in nature (of which I'm > not yet convinced, but anyways...), Of which I am less and less convinced. I was once a die-hard "all this parapsychology stuff in nonsense" skeptic. Then I once had an insight (while cross country skiing, which is quite meditative), that quite a bit of parapsychology could be the result of biological radio (nerves are electrical, they are pulsed so they radiate radio waves, and we may be able to pick up and filter the wave patterns and derive information from them). But in the mean time I have given up radio. Radio is distance dependant, massively! Its signal strengh drops to 1/4 at ever 2 times distance. And every reciever has an minimal input needed. And nerves have an maximal amount they can radiate. A entire human body at rest heats up about 100-150W of energy (mostly the nerves). Doing hard physical work it goes up to 200-300W (addition being mostly the muscles). As a comparison a large VHF radio station to be heard a few 100km has about 10'000W power output! Even if we assume 10W transmission from an human (very unlikely), we are at 1/1000 the power and so 1/30 distance of the VHF transmitter. So a few km. When did you do your last distance healing way above that? That electric theory was good enough to break the skepticism, and to start taking reports serious (if not the explanations), to find out what is happening. And one done that, it was obvious that some explaining will be needed. This can't be ignored. Of course in the mean time I had learned of quantum physics. And of effects of linked particles behaving synchronous at large distances. So if anything in current physics, I suspect parapsychology stuff to be somewhere in quantum. At least I know no reason that makes this impossible, yet. OTOH I have also read enough about ki/spirit, and about spirit->matter theories. So today the entire physics based approaches above mainly serve me to remind that we really know hardly anything! And that we can easily jump to premature conclusions. We are really still investigating the properties of "dead" matter. Wenn it comes to life we sort of comprehend body formation and running. But anything in conciousness or parapsychology or Reiki is simply way outside explaned, or presently explainable. > as you have speculated, there is > no problem with reiki reaching around the world in an instant, since > it doesn't take radio or tv any longer than that to do the same. But there is a problem: distance. That one is a killer. You can not pick up such weak transmitters at any distance. Electricity is off the board for being an explanation. Quantum perhaps. Ki/spirit looks quite good. May be even an fourth I have never heard of, or even a fifth no one has ever suggested. > speaking of which, perhaps that is a better analogy than a beam of > light. Light is electromagnetic :-) Radio waves and light are the same thing, just different frequencies/colours. A Radio transmitter is really just a large lamp! Radio tuning is just a adjustable colour filter. Think of the distance problem as the same effect you have when aiming an torch at further and further remote objects. You see less and less. Now think of blinking the torch to do morse code. At some distance someone looking at the light spot will see too little light to "read" the flash pattern. The "unreliable seeing" just at the maximal usable distance is what you on a radio get as crackling bad reception. > in some way, the frequency is very, very low, (earth resonance > frequency, more or less in the same range as the brain's alpha, theta > and delta waves) which means the wavelength is very, very long, which > means hills and valleys and being halfway around the world are less of > an obstacle, no? Yes and no. VLF (very low frequency) radio has the advantage that it can penetrate stuff well (sending signals underground or to submarines). Schielding it is impossible. So hills are no problem. But distance kills it just the same. > And if you're broadcasting in all directions, all it > would take to reach the person you intended it for is a receiver tuned > to the station, If they can even detect your flashes. > receivers ready to pick up the right signal, I have no idea. I'm > already way out of my league. :-) I have the advantage of being an trained electrical/computer engineer. If you have any questions to details of electricity, radio, electrons, photons, signals, information encoding, recievers, etc, ... just ask. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 25 Mar 2003 15:48:39 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303251548.225e2792@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7f102f.39831698@news.netidea.com> <4ef40597.0303241305.15120feb@posting.google.com> <6uwuio4bf0.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048636119 5985 127.0.0.1 (25 Mar 2003 23:48:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2003 23:48:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4210 Neil: Just curious, partly from training. Spent 25 years as an EE designing computer systems. I can deal with concepts being reworked. Hate the physics "It doesn't behave like the theory says, so add another (flavour, colour, particle)" approach. Was kind of looking for the Einstein thought-experiments, rather than the spirit-linked answers. Approximations that need refinement (Newtonian mechanics can be back-derived from quantum stuff) are cool. But somehow I am stuck on a sense that distance healing without location seems to break the rules (rather than being unexplained by them). Maybe I just need a new rule. Peter ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 25 Mar 2003 15:52:29 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303251552.5da9629d@posting.google.com> References: <6uwuio4bf0.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048636349 6132 127.0.0.1 (25 Mar 2003 23:52:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2003 23:52:29 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4214 S: [snip] "All agree that there is but one Principle or Consciousness pervading the entire Universe, occupying all space, and essentially the same in kind at every point of its presence. ..." Meaning: We share the consciousness so that distance is a figment in re: mind connection? p ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 25 Mar 2003 15:58:33 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303251558.5b3b10da@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <3E7F85C3.FAC57340@ch.inter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048636713 6491 127.0.0.1 (25 Mar 2003 23:58:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2003 23:58:33 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4215 If I imagine myself to be in my kitchen, where am I? What you are saying (I think) is that in some way, though my body is here in the office, I am in the kitchen. I do not have to know where that is (direction) from where I am. hmmmmmmm Think I will take that Reiki now. P ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 25 Mar 2003 16:05:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 55 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048637155 6771 127.0.0.1 (26 Mar 2003 00:05:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2003 00:05:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4211 Puts me in mind of two thoughts: Time is nature's way to keep everything from happening at once. Einstein was trying to explain Radio to someone. Using telegraph over wires as an example, he said that it was like having a giant cat. You pull the tail of the cat in New York, and it meows in San Francisco. Radio, he explained, worked exactly the same way bit without the cat. I have seen the thought about all time being "now" before. I have just been unable to use it for practical purposes (to affect something in a different part of "now".) As for the cable, the instantaneous (or nearly) part is ok. It is having a "cable" that has one end at me and another end at a completely unknown location and it still gets to you part that has me thinking. (See Theo's post though...) Peter (I am starting to give myself one of those headaches that you get when you watch a sci-fi movie and they muck about with the past, which affects the future enought that it doesn;t happen...) "D/A Fischer" wrote in message news:<%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > For me, time exists simply to give us a reference > point (this being a linear dimension and all). But > in reality, I know time does not exist so my birth > life and death all occur at the same "moment". Very > hard to explain, but it is the only way things make > sense to me...............so I have no problem intending > Reiki past, present or future, since to me they are > all simultaneous. I just *know* it to be so. As far > as place, it is not like you are sending it through a > cable.............once you intend, it is there, instantly. > > Love and Light, Gyps > > > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com... > > [snip] > > > This is not distance though. It is time, and that one is ok. Because > > in me things from yesterday I can heal today. It does not change what > > happened yesterday, only makes it good now. > > > > But position - how can I help you if I don't know if you are in Italy > > or South America? Is everywhere the same place? (mmmmmmmm) > > > > Peter > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 43 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:50:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048650648 165.247.162.197 (Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:50:48 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:50:48 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4203 On 25 Mar 2003 23:22:22 +0100, Neil Franklin wrote: >I have the advantage of being an trained electrical/computer engineer. > >If you have any questions to details of electricity, radio, electrons, >photons, signals, information encoding, recievers, etc, ... just ask. We-l-l-l then, Neil! (sound of Pandora's box opening up) What are scalar waves and vector potentials (something to do with Aharonov-Bohm effect) in layman's terms? Let me quote a few paragraphs from _Energy Medicine, The Scientific Basis_. I didn't really understand this, so maybe you could be so kind as to explain it, and then maybe give your views on why they may or may not fill the bill for us? "Scalar waves appear to interact with atomic nuclei, rather than with electrons. Such interactions are described by quantum chromodynamics (Yndurain 1983). The waves are not blocked by Faraday cages or other kinds of shielding, they are probably emitted by living systems, and they appear to be intimately involved in healing (see e.g. Jacobs 1997, Rein 1998)." "The scalar potential has a peculiarity: it propagates instantaneously everywhere in space, undiminished by distance. In contrast, the vector potential has a finite velocity (jackson 1975). In the real world, scalar waves encounter environmental fields, and complex interactions take place that prevent them from extending indefinitely into space. Mathematical physics justifies the instantaneous propagation of scalar waves, but this is often dismissed as 'obviously unphysical behavior' (e.g. Jackson 1975)." If you need me to quote more prior or after to make context clearer, let me know. Thanks, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e81260d.512050@news.earthlink.net> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 38 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 04:13:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048652021 165.247.162.197 (Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:13:41 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:13:41 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4202 On 25 Mar 2003 16:05:55 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >(I am starting to give myself one of those headaches that you get when >you watch a sci-fi movie and they muck about with the past, which >affects the future enought that it doesn;t happen...) Hah! You think that gives you a headache? I was reading some stuff on time travel a while back, sorry, don't remember which book or author, maybe it will come to me later, but they talked about this really great "causal loop" idea. Background: if you have a wormhole that you can somehow send spacecraft through and get it back in one piece, and you can drag one end of it near a black hole and the other end some place more convenient, then you get time dilation effects from traversing the worm hole. Given the above, we build this computerized, robotized factory for building robot spaceships and stock it full of raw materials. We don't know the location of the above mentioned wormhole, we don't know exactly how to design the spaceship, or how much fuel it will need, but it doesn't matter. All we have to do is build the factory and then step back and get out of the way. The next thing that will happen is that a very, very old, beat up rocketship will land next to the factory. It will download the plans for making the spaceship and the location of the wormhole into the factory's computer. Once that is done, we can cart it off and put it into a museum. In the meantime, the factory gets humming, builds a spaceship (it's the same one, only younger!) and launches it off in the direction of the wormhole. We've got this nice causal loop thing going where we see the old, travel worn ship before we see it in its brand spankin' new youth. And we get free information out of it, namely the location of the wormhole that we can use for time travel. Wheee!!! If that doesn't make your head spin, nothing will. Garry ###### Message-ID: <3E814A17.D90A3486@ch.inter.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:35:03 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no, spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.222.188 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.222.188 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048660481 195.186.222.188 (26 Mar 2003 07:34:41 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 103 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4188 Neil Franklin wrote: > HI Neil > > > Of course in the mean time I had learned of quantum physics. And of > effects of linked particles behaving synchronous at large distances. > So if anything in current physics, I suspect parapsychology stuff to > be somewhere in quantum. At least I know no reason that makes this > impossible, yet. > maybe what we call parapsycology or & magic is a manifestation of Quantum or working according his laws.. maybe there is other behind Quantum is I do not mean that the Newtonian Laws can be twisted in the Macro world but but energies can be concentrate and act you cannot kill a virus or germ but you can help the energy defenses > > OTOH I have also read enough about ki/spirit, and about spirit->matter > theories. So today the entire physics based approaches above mainly > serve me to remind that we really know hardly anything! And that we > can easily jump to premature conclusions. > I agree 100 % > > We are really still investigating the properties of "dead" matter. > Wenn it comes to life we sort of comprehend body formation and > running. But anything in conciousness or parapsychology or Reiki is > simply way outside explaned, or presently explainable. > > > as you have speculated, there is > > no problem with reiki reaching around the world in an instant, since > > it doesn't take radio or tv any longer than that to do the same. > > But there is a problem: distance. That one is a killer. You can not > pick up such weak transmitters at any distance. > > Electricity is off the board for being an explanation. Quantum > perhaps. Ki/spirit looks quite good. May be even an fourth I have > never heard of, or even a fifth no one has ever suggested. Electricity is the closest way to give an image of it IMHO but it is hard to explain something that cannot be physically measured Namaste Theo > > > > speaking of which, perhaps that is a better analogy than a beam of > > light. > > Light is electromagnetic :-) Radio waves and light are the same thing, > just different frequencies/colours. A Radio transmitter is really > just a large lamp! Radio tuning is just a adjustable colour filter. > > Think of the distance problem as the same effect you have when aiming > an torch at further and further remote objects. You see less and less. > Now think of blinking the torch to do morse code. At some distance > someone looking at the light spot will see too little light to "read" > the flash pattern. The "unreliable seeing" just at the maximal usable > distance is what you on a radio get as crackling bad reception. > > > in some way, the frequency is very, very low, (earth resonance > > frequency, more or less in the same range as the brain's alpha, theta > > and delta waves) which means the wavelength is very, very long, which > > means hills and valleys and being halfway around the world are less of > > an obstacle, no? > > Yes and no. VLF (very low frequency) radio has the advantage that it > can penetrate stuff well (sending signals underground or to submarines). > Schielding it is impossible. So hills are no problem. > > But distance kills it just the same. > > > And if you're broadcasting in all directions, all it > > would take to reach the person you intended it for is a receiver tuned > > to the station, > > If they can even detect your flashes. > > > receivers ready to pick up the right signal, I have no idea. I'm > > already way out of my league. :-) > > I have the advantage of being an trained electrical/computer engineer. > > If you have any questions to details of electricity, radio, electrons, > photons, signals, information encoding, recievers, etc, ... just ask. > > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith > - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware > code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### Message-ID: <3E814D79.A2D02E35@ch.inter.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:49:29 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no, spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <3E7F85C3.FAC57340@ch.inter.net> <4ef40597.0303251558.5b3b10da@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.222.188 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.222.188 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048661347 195.186.222.188 (26 Mar 2003 07:49:07 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 35 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4190 You are in the kitcheen but across the wall you are in another place but air /smells are passing from one into another IN the material world we need time to move from one place to another but apparently in my way of seing it all points of the * others worlds* are in contanct so if you cross the *mebrane* you reach the otehsr place with energy .. Many years ago I woke up for the loo and I was sitting in there half asleep when suddenly I had the feeling , the awareness ,that aside of me but into another *dimension* another myself was existing and in that instant the barriers were down and we could get in touch for few seconds.. It woke me up completely and it was a very unpleasant experience ( no drugs involved) so since then I think that one point here in our world is shoulder to shoulder with all others existing points in the world /universe.. hard to explain impossible to show graphically :-) to move from one point to the other physically we have to pass throught the distance with mind is immediate Namaste Theo Peterz wrote: > If I imagine myself to be in my kitchen, where am I? > > What you are saying (I think) is that in some way, though my body is > here in the office, I am in the kitchen. I do not have to know where > that is (direction) from where I am. > > hmmmmmmm > > Think I will take that Reiki now. > > P ###### Message-ID: <3E814ED5.105F9A1C@ch.inter.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:55:17 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no, spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.222.188 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.222.188 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048661694 195.186.222.188 (26 Mar 2003 07:54:54 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 63 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4191 We are conditioned to think according the barrier we have in our material world our perception of reality is different than the way a bird sees it,if he wants to go on a branch he goes .. we cannot do the same way and as easy as .. a microb probably have a totally different *perception* of the environment than us so we are like the blinds that are describing an elephant by the touch,each of the blinds have a different impression according if he is touching the trumpet, tail or leg. Namaste Theo Peterz wrote: > Puts me in mind of two thoughts: > > Time is nature's way to keep everything from happening at once. > > Einstein was trying to explain Radio to someone. Using telegraph over > wires as an example, he said that it was like having a giant cat. You > pull the tail of the cat in New York, and it meows in San Francisco. > Radio, he explained, worked exactly the same way bit without the cat. > > I have seen the thought about all time being "now" before. I have just > been unable to use it for practical purposes (to affect something in a > different part of "now".) > > As for the cable, the instantaneous (or nearly) part is ok. It is > having a "cable" that has one end at me and another end at a > completely unknown location and it still gets to you part that has me > thinking. (See Theo's post though...) > > Peter > > (I am starting to give myself one of those headaches that you get when > you watch a sci-fi movie and they muck about with the past, which > affects the future enought that it doesn;t happen...) > > "D/A Fischer" wrote in message news:<%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > > For me, time exists simply to give us a reference > > point (this being a linear dimension and all). But > > in reality, I know time does not exist so my birth > > life and death all occur at the same "moment". Very > > hard to explain, but it is the only way things make > > sense to me...............so I have no problem intending > > Reiki past, present or future, since to me they are > > all simultaneous. I just *know* it to be so. As far > > as place, it is not like you are sending it through a > > cable.............once you intend, it is there, instantly. > > > > Love and Light, Gyps > > > > > > "Peterz" wrote in message > > news:4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com... > > > [snip] > > > > > This is not distance though. It is time, and that one is ok. Because > > > in me things from yesterday I can heal today. It does not change what > > > happened yesterday, only makes it good now. > > > > > > But position - how can I help you if I don't know if you are in Italy > > > or South America? Is everywhere the same place? (mmmmmmmm) > > > > > > Peter > > > ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 26 Mar 2003 04:39:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303260439.9749cab@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048682367 10225 127.0.0.1 (26 Mar 2003 12:39:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2003 12:39:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4212 I am gonna have to find this book to make any sense of it... Peter nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote in message news:<3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net>... > On 25 Mar 2003 23:22:22 +0100, Neil Franklin > wrote: > > > > >I have the advantage of being an trained electrical/computer engineer. > > > >If you have any questions to details of electricity, radio, electrons, > >photons, signals, information encoding, recievers, etc, ... just ask. > > We-l-l-l then, Neil! (sound of Pandora's box > opening up) > > What are scalar waves and vector potentials (something to do with > Aharonov-Bohm effect) in layman's terms? Let me quote a few paragraphs > from _Energy Medicine, The Scientific Basis_. I didn't really > understand this, so maybe you could be so kind as to explain it, and > then maybe give your views on why they may or may not fill the bill > for us? > > "Scalar waves appear to interact with atomic nuclei, rather than with > electrons. Such interactions are described by quantum chromodynamics > (Yndurain 1983). The waves are not blocked by Faraday cages or other > kinds of shielding, they are probably emitted by living systems, and > they appear to be intimately involved in healing (see e.g. Jacobs > 1997, Rein 1998)." > > "The scalar potential has a peculiarity: it propagates instantaneously > everywhere in space, undiminished by distance. In contrast, the vector > potential has a finite velocity (jackson 1975). In the real world, > scalar waves encounter environmental fields, and complex interactions > take place that prevent them from extending indefinitely into space. > Mathematical physics justifies the instantaneous propagation of scalar > waves, but this is often dismissed as 'obviously unphysical behavior' > (e.g. Jackson 1975)." > > If you need me to quote more prior or after to make context clearer, > let me know. > > Thanks, > > Garry ###### From: "D/A Fischer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:22:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.50.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048688531 209.179.50.238 (Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:22:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:22:11 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4198 Physics, metaphysics, relativity, quantum..........isn't it possible that they are all just stepping stones to put things in a frame of reference which we under- stand at the time, but as with all things, a possibility to change and grow and be redefined as our under- standing of our consciousness grows? As long as we only allow ourselves to see these properties as "written in stone", or "the only way things work", then we are not allowing that change brings growth, and that means *all* things change. Just my .02 cents. Love and Light, Gyps "Neil Franklin" wrote in message news:6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch... > nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) writes: > > > What is mind? No matter. > > What is matter? Never mind. > > Nice one that. > > > > vice versa. After all, at least in special and general relativity, we > > speak of space-time since you can't really separate the two (although > > we certainly prefer to when doing our Newtonian physics). > > And there we run into one of the big problems today. Most people still > think in pre-relativity physics. Let allone thinking in pre-quantum > physics. And then get such problems with stuff travelling in time. > > > > manifesting facets of the One. But now I'm drifting away from physics > > and into metaphysics.... > > Metaphysics, which may very well by physics, if we just managed to > understand the full consequences of relativity, and in particular > of quantum, or even the combination of both, if we even had such an > combined theory. > ###### From: "D/A Fischer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:36:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.50.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048689404 209.179.50.238 (Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:36:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:36:44 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.21.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4197 "Peterz" wrote in message news:4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com... > I have seen the thought about all time being "now" before. I have just > been unable to use it for practical purposes (to affect something in a > different part of "now".) > > As for the cable, the instantaneous (or nearly) part is ok. It is > having a "cable" that has one end at me and another end at a > completely unknown location and it still gets to you part that has me > thinking. (See Theo's post though...) > > Peter > > (I am starting to give myself one of those headaches that you get when > you watch a sci-fi movie and they muck about with the past, which > affects the future enought that it doesn;t happen...) At first I also had to have concrete/mentally tangible ways to grasp things. The only way things made sense is if I could /see/ them take place, go through the whole mental picture. But then, for me, it actually became a fight. I think my mind knew that I did not need it, but I still kept trying to use this method. It was extremely frustrating. Instead of just trusting that my conscious mind knew what it was doing, I was so caught up in how I was used to processing things. I ended up being my own worst source of frustration by trying to keep my status quo. Maybe just let your mind wander and see where it goes. Love and Light, Gyps ###### Message-ID: <3E81ED57.6C9DC50C@ch.inter.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:11:36 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no, spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.60.169 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.60.169 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048702296 62.203.60.169 (26 Mar 2003 19:11:36 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 41 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4193 I say Faith is teh Key word , but not the h sort of rolling eyes to the Heavens, Faith that , when I use Reiki, I do somethging real not playing with imagination nor living in a sweet madness nor a supersticion acting with Reiki like breathing of thinking... spontraneously Theo D/A Fischer wrote: > "Peterz" wrote in message > news:4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com... > > > > I have seen the thought about all time being "now" before. I have just > > been unable to use it for practical purposes (to affect something in a > > different part of "now".) > > > > As for the cable, the instantaneous (or nearly) part is ok. It is > > having a "cable" that has one end at me and another end at a > > completely unknown location and it still gets to you part that has me > > thinking. (See Theo's post though...) > > > > Peter > > > > (I am starting to give myself one of those headaches that you get when > > you watch a sci-fi movie and they muck about with the past, which > > affects the future enought that it doesn;t happen...) > > At first I also had to have concrete/mentally tangible ways to > grasp things. The only way things made sense is if I could > /see/ them take place, go through the whole mental picture. > But then, for me, it actually became a fight. I think my mind > knew that I did not need it, but I still kept trying to use this > method. It was extremely frustrating. Instead of just trusting > that my conscious mind knew what it was doing, I was so > caught up in how I was used to processing things. I ended > up being my own worst source of frustration by trying to > keep my status quo. Maybe just let your mind wander and > see where it goes. > > Love and Light, Gyps ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 26 Mar 2003 11:11:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 50 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303261111.38015046@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048705897 32535 127.0.0.1 (26 Mar 2003 19:11:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2003 19:11:37 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4208 Hi I do not need a concrete model to have it work for me. I practised Aikido with a lot of practical Ki work (physcial use of Ki) that has no explanation other than "use Ki". And the teacher was an engineer (as I was) and he had 35 years experience with Ki Aikido. If our models of mechanics could be used to explain things, we would have done so. That said, it is not my nature to stop wondering. I will send distance Reiki - and have no problem believeing that it DOES work because there is evidence to support it - regardless of whether or not my current understanding of the universe is up to it. (However, 100 years ago, I would have been hung for a witch if I showed someone any instance of the technology that we use to access this board. Their models were not up to it.) I still think it is useful to think critically before we believe things, especially those that do not appear to make sense. I have seen too much of what happens when people don't... =:^P Peter "Just because it's all in my mind, doesn't make it make it wrong." Joni Elbourn (my Reiki Master" "D/A Fischer" wrote in message news:<0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > > > At first I also had to have concrete/mentally tangible ways to > grasp things. The only way things made sense is if I could > /see/ them take place, go through the whole mental picture. > But then, for me, it actually became a fight. I think my mind > knew that I did not need it, but I still kept trying to use this > method. It was extremely frustrating. Instead of just trusting > that my conscious mind knew what it was doing, I was so > caught up in how I was used to processing things. I ended > up being my own worst source of frustration by trying to > keep my status quo. Maybe just let your mind wander and > see where it goes. > > Love and Light, Gyps ###### Message-ID: <3E820776.92477F9F@ch.inter.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:03:02 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no, spam_byjoke@ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303261111.38015046@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.60.169 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.60.169 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048708982 62.203.60.169 (26 Mar 2003 21:03:02 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 49 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4189 Peterz wrote: > _- snip & Agreed_ > > (However, 100 years ago, I would have been hung for a witch if I > showed someone any instance of the technology that we use to access > this board. Their models were not up to it.) hahaha I love that ...... me too .. > I still think it is useful to think critically before we believe > things, especially those that do not appear to make sense. I have seen > too much of what happens when people don't... me too .. I see and compare and think and make my conclusions .. that are not carved into stone :-) Namaste Theo > > > =:^P > > Peter > > "Just because it's all in my mind, doesn't make it make it wrong." > Joni Elbourn (my Reiki Master" > > "D/A Fischer" wrote in message news:<0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > > > > > > At first I also had to have concrete/mentally tangible ways to > > grasp things. The only way things made sense is if I could > > /see/ them take place, go through the whole mental picture. > > But then, for me, it actually became a fight. I think my mind > > knew that I did not need it, but I still kept trying to use this > > method. It was extremely frustrating. Instead of just trusting > > that my conscious mind knew what it was doing, I was so > > caught up in how I was used to processing things. I ended > > up being my own worst source of frustration by trying to > > keep my status quo. Maybe just let your mind wander and > > see where it goes. > > > > Love and Light, Gyps ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 26 Mar 2003 22:32:03 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6ubrzx24rw.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7f102f.39831698@news.netidea.com> <4ef40597.0303241305.15120feb@posting.google.com> <6uwuio4bf0.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <4ef40597.0303251548.225e2792@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1048714323 341 10.0.3.2 (26 Mar 2003 21:32:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2003 21:32:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4216 peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) writes: > Just curious, partly from training. Spent 25 years as an EE designing > computer systems. Can easily understand that. Here a bit less time (got EE about half that time ago), and they went over to software. > I can deal with concepts being reworked. Ok. > back-derived from quantum stuff) are cool. But somehow I am stuck on a > sense that distance healing without location seems to break the rules > (rather than being unexplained by them). Ok, that one is a problem. How to they target this stuff. A can only assume that messages leaving a person (not just spoken, but also written, or even sent in bits) carry some link to the person with them, no matter what their external form is. And that somehow the reciever picks up this link and can send along it. Sounds like some really nice data structures going on here :-). > Maybe I just need a new rule. Yes. Massively improved ability to percieve is very high on my wish list. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 26 Mar 2003 22:54:07 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 63 Message-ID: <6u8yv123r4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303261111.38015046@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1048715647 403 10.0.3.2 (26 Mar 2003 21:54:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2003 21:54:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4217 peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) writes: > Aikido with a lot of practical Ki work (physcial use of Ki) that has Oh, someone with experience in that? I am just starting (read: one week-end course, second in 2 weeks). Any tips or good URLs for an beginner? > no explanation other than "use Ki". Yes. I wouldn't even try to describe that in todays physics. I suppose seeing an demo of it about 1 year ago was the last step to open me up for taking even very strange stuff serious. > And the teacher was an engineer > (as I was) and he had 35 years experience with Ki Aikido. If our Oh, so I can scratch plans at that :-). Actually I am surprises how many engineers I find in Aikido/Ki/Reiki stuff. Seems to be the mode that fits their thinking/perception method. > models of mechanics could be used to explain things, we would have > done so. Hey, it is a massively "strange" phenomen. That is strange compared to anything most people have seen and regard as "normal". > (However, 100 years ago, I would have been hung for a witch if I > showed someone any instance of the technology that we use to access > this board. Their models were not up to it.) Hmmm, replace that 100 with 400, then yes. 300 maybe. 200 no, you would have been a curiosity. 100, you would have had lots of eager people wanting to learn what it is. Morse telegrapy is after all over 150 years old, 1840s IIRC. And even teletypes are over 100. And Babbage designed the first computer in the 1880s (even if he failled to manufacture it). How difficult is a MOSFET to explain with the science of those days. :-) Any date for the first vacuum tubes? > I still think it is useful to think critically before we believe > things, especially those that do not appear to make sense. I have seen > too much of what happens when people don't... I today split beliefs into 2 categories: - beliefs in the existance of an phenomen, for that a demo is enough - beliefs in explanations of phenomena, for then there never is safety -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: 26 Mar 2003 23:12:23 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6u65q522wo.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1048716743 610 10.0.3.2 (26 Mar 2003 22:12:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2003 22:12:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4218 nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) writes: > On 25 Mar 2003 23:22:22 +0100, Neil Franklin > wrote: > > >I have the advantage of being an trained electrical/computer engineer. > > > >If you have any questions to details of electricity, radio, electrons, > >photons, signals, information encoding, recievers, etc, ... just ask. Note: I did not put either quantum physics on the list, nor maths :-). I am an enginerer, not a scientist :-). > What are scalar waves and vector potentials (something to do with > Aharonov-Bohm effect) in layman's terms? I looked at the maths of scalar waves, and gave up. Damnit, the page I have in my bookmarks (Scalar waves FAQ) is gone, so I can not even point you to it. Try googling if it has resurfaced on an different URL. > electrons. Such interactions are described by quantum chromodynamics QCD? Urgh. That is deep into quantum stuff. QED (Quantum Electro Dynamics) I would have taken an stab at explaining (thanks to have read the wonderfull QED book by Richard Feynman), but not QCD. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:30 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <6ubrzx24rw.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048717857 80793160 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4238 Leaving aside quantum stuff for the moment, how about the concept of a tokenised thought process ... the "six degrees of separation" would ensure that the eventual addresses reached would be reached without significant signal deterioration as these would act as instantaneous relays as they have already been known to each other and therefore would have achieved some degree of mental symbiosis .. Just a thought ... ;) Stuart (Neil Franklin) wrote: > Ok, that one is a problem. How to they target this stuff. > > A can only assume that messages leaving a person (not just spoken, > but also written, or even sent in bits) carry some link to the person > with them, no matter what their external form is. And that somehow the > reciever picks up this link and can send along it. > > Sounds like some really nice data structures going on here :-). ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e825653.1235917@news.earthlink.net> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303260439.9749cab@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:38:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.151.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048729087 165.247.151.183 (Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:38:07 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:38:07 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4227 You can find it at Amazon and peruse a few pages, and you should be able to find it locally, as well, if you have good bookstores. ISBN 0-443-06261-7, author James L. Oschman, copyright Harcourt Publishers 2000. Reprinted in 2001. There's a followup book I'm planning on laying my hands on one of these days. Garry On 26 Mar 2003 04:39:26 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >I am gonna have to find this book to make any sense of it... > >Peter > > >nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote in message news:<3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net>... >> On 25 Mar 2003 23:22:22 +0100, Neil Franklin >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >I have the advantage of being an trained electrical/computer engineer. >> > >> >If you have any questions to details of electricity, radio, electrons, >> >photons, signals, information encoding, recievers, etc, ... just ask. >> >> We-l-l-l then, Neil! (sound of Pandora's box >> opening up) >> >> What are scalar waves and vector potentials (something to do with >> Aharonov-Bohm effect) in layman's terms? Let me quote a few paragraphs >> from _Energy Medicine, The Scientific Basis_. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e8257d7.1623470@news.earthlink.net> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3e80f214.1673318@news.earthlink.net> <6u65q522wo.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 21 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:41:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.151.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048729281 165.247.151.183 (Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:41:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:41:21 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4230 On 26 Mar 2003 23:12:23 +0100, Neil Franklin wrote: >Note: I did not put either quantum physics on the list, nor maths :-). >I am an enginerer, not a scientist :-). So noted. :-) >I looked at the maths of scalar waves, and gave up. > >Damnit, the page I have in my bookmarks (Scalar waves FAQ) is gone, so >I can not even point you to it. Try googling if it has resurfaced on >an different URL. Thanks, I'll give it a shot this weekend! namaste, Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e82588f.1807295@news.earthlink.net> References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:47:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.151.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048729646 165.247.151.183 (Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:47:26 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:47:26 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4232 On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:22:11 GMT, "D/A Fischer" wrote: >Physics, metaphysics, relativity, quantum..........isn't >it possible that they are all just stepping stones to >put things in a frame of reference which we under- >stand at the time, but as with all things, a possibility >to change and grow and be redefined as our under- >standing of our consciousness grows? As long as >we only allow ourselves to see these properties as >"written in stone", or "the only way things work", >then we are not allowing that change brings growth, >and that means *all* things change. Just my .02 cents. Sure, Gyps! But I didn't get the sense that anyone in this thread was laboring under the "written in stone" delusion. Some of us just have the kind of mind that likes to try to solve puzzles and we have to indulge it every now and then or we'll go bonkers. Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back. ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "D/A Fischer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3E81ED57.6C9DC50C@ch.inter.net> Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <76Ega.21912$pK4.1943975@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:43:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.140.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048776195 209.179.140.7 (Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:43:15 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:43:15 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!216.65.3.53.MISMATCH!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4223 I absolutely agree. For me it was a leap of faith to trust my mind..........without jumping in to control every aspect. Love and Light, Gyps "Theo" wrote in message news:3E81ED57.6C9DC50C@ch.inter.net... > I say Faith is teh Key word , but not the h sort of rolling eyes to the > Heavens, Faith that , when I use Reiki, I do somethging real not > playing with imagination nor living in a sweet madness nor a supersticion > acting with Reiki like breathing of thinking... spontraneously > Theo > > ###### Message-ID: <3E83231F.54B7CCE@bluewin.ch> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:13:20 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: no_spam_byjoke@bluewin.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3E7F2CBA.69711650@bluewin.ch> <4ef40597.0303241309.6db891e8@posting.google.com> <%KLfa.18152$jA2.1611653@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4ef40597.0303251605.5aa748f@posting.google.com> <0Wiga.20235$pK4.1814412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3E81ED57.6C9DC50C@ch.inter.net> <76Ega.21912$pK4.1943975@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.69.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.69.67 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048781319 62.203.69.67 (27 Mar 2003 17:08:39 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 26 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4219 HI Gyps good morning you have to know that you cannot control everything and one of the charms in life is that some events are unpredictable.. like meeting the right person:-) Namaste Theo D/A Fischer wrote: > I absolutely agree. For me it was a leap of faith to trust > my mind..........without jumping in to control every aspect. > > Love and Light, Gyps > > "Theo" wrote in message > news:3E81ED57.6C9DC50C@ch.inter.net... > > I say Faith is teh Key word , but not the h sort of rolling eyes to > the > > Heavens, Faith that , when I use Reiki, I do somethging real not > > playing with imagination nor living in a sweet madness nor a supersticion > > acting with Reiki like breathing of thinking... spontraneously > > Theo > > > > ###### From: "D/A Fischer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303240444.2e98bef@posting.google.com> <3e7fc836.2259262@news.earthlink.net> <6u4r5r9jdt.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3e82588f.1807295@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Time, space, & energy Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:40:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.223.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1048822857 209.179.223.238 (Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:40:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:40:57 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:4251 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3e82588f.1807295@news.earthlink.net... > > Sure, Gyps! But I didn't get the sense that anyone in this thread was > laboring under the "written in stone" delusion. Some of us just have > the kind of mind that likes to try to solve puzzles and we have to > indulge it every now and then or we'll go bonkers. Curiosity killed > the cat, but satisfaction brought him back. ;-) Gotcha. I think I prefer tamer puzzles, but yes, I like to keep the mind busy just for fun, at times. Love and Light, Gyps