From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Enough already Date: 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1047901405 2871 127.0.0.1 (17 Mar 2003 11:43:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2003 11:43:25 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3885 Hi Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting stuff on this group? We are supposed to be a group interested in healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. At which some folks have spent a great deal of energy. In my opinion, those who are sincerely interested in trading useful information in a reasonable fashion are not being well-served by this list. It is absurd that we have to filter out this much garbage on a list where people are ostensibly here to help one another. If someone knows of an active *moderated* Reiki list, please let me know. I know of the following: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReikiMedResearch/messages is a moderated list dedicated to Reiki research. It is not very active. For members of the Canadian Reiki Association, there is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Reiki-Canada/messages - again, not very active. While these lists are not as active as I would like, if some of us transfer some energy to these groups - or another moderated group - we would have a forum for Reiki (information) exchange. I think that it is unfortunate. Some people on this forum are here to discuss/share Reiki; some have a *lot* of experience and contribute to my understanding; most are worth listening to or having discussions with; best of all, occasionally someone asks a question or has a problem that we can help with. I would like to be part of a group that was focussed on these things, and dealt with disagreements in a reasonable fashion. I thought that this was one. Peter www.onreiki.com ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Enough already Lines: 68 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.165.199.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1047906600 ST000 64.165.199.19 (Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:10:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:10:00 EST X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@FS@QBRLYHZOHOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RWICYFWUQBKZQLYJX\_ITFD_KFVLUN[DOM_A_NSYNWPFWNS[XV\I]PZ@BQ[@CDQDPCL^FKCBIPC@KLGEZEFNMDYMKHRL_YYYGDSSODXYN@[\BK[LVTWI@AXGQCOA_SAH@TPD^\AL\RLGRFWEARBM Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:10:00 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!rip!news.webusenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3894 Hi Peter. In spite of my previous posts on the matter, I am in agreement with you. Please don't be too discouraged by the trolls intervention here. All things considered, it was much worse back in 1996 when this newsgroup formed and it was "us" directing all of the hatred and negative energy that you now see from the trolls, at each other. Things have changed, and overall this is a very positive, healing, and supportive environment. This time is the first time I've actually put a couple e-mail addresses into the "blocked senders" file. Considering my past (the "other" reiki site of mine) the posts here are even too much for me... and I've learned my old skin just doesn't fit too well any longer. I feel bad for individuals who access the newsgroup through browsers - they may not be able to filter out the unnecessary garbage. ----- This month I have been attending Volunteer orientation training for Hospice care. Once the training completes next Saturday I will begin volunteering as a Family Support Volunteer (simply offering companionship to hospice patients). It's rewarding work as I'm sure you know. :-) -- Steven Buck, CMT - San Francisco, CA "Peterz" wrote in message news:4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com... > Hi > > Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting > stuff on this group? We are supposed to be a group interested in > healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. At which some folks have > spent a great deal of energy. > > In my opinion, those who are sincerely interested in trading useful > information in a reasonable fashion are not being well-served by this > list. It is absurd that we have to filter out this much garbage on a > list where people are ostensibly here to help one another. > > If someone knows of an active *moderated* Reiki list, please let me > know. I know of the following: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReikiMedResearch/messages is a moderated > list dedicated to Reiki research. It is not very active. > > For members of the Canadian Reiki Association, there is > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Reiki-Canada/messages - again, not very > active. > > While these lists are not as active as I would like, if some of us > transfer some energy to these groups - or another moderated group - we > would have a forum for Reiki (information) exchange. > > I think that it is unfortunate. Some people on this forum are here to > discuss/share Reiki; some have a *lot* of experience and contribute to > my understanding; most are worth listening to or having discussions > with; best of all, occasionally someone asks a question or has a > problem that we can help with. I would like to be part of a group that > was focussed on these things, and dealt with disagreements in a > reasonable fashion. I thought that this was one. > > Peter > > www.onreiki.com ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:39:12 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-938.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3871 On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >Hi > >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting >stuff on this group? We are supposed to be a group interested in >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. At which some folks have >spent a great deal of energy. Just filter the tr*ll. Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:15:00 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3e76024e.5190483@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-554.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3868 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:10:00 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: >Considering my past (the "other" reiki site of >mine) the posts here are even too much for me... and I've learned my old >skin just doesn't fit too well any longer. My husband has learned the same lesson. It's sometimes too easy to slip back into old habits, isn't it? But this time around, you're quicker to realize what you're doing. Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: 17 Mar 2003 10:04:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303171004.3bb8e26b@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1047924245 779 127.0.0.1 (17 Mar 2003 18:04:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2003 18:04:05 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3888 Steven: I do access this group through my browser, and I have to filter it myself. Unpleasant at best, because even threads that start out on topic can end up in the ditch. (I am still here right now because it does not seem right to post something like I did then not return to see it through. Someone might say something compelling and I will be convinced to ignore the trolls...) Good luck with your training for the hospice care. I am interested in anything that your training might tell you about Reiki and palliative care. Warm best, Peter ###### From: Theo Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:04:09 +0100 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3E760E19.339E5744@ch.inter.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e76024e.5190483@news.moment.net> Reply-To: mail.ch.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1047924229 7853 212.59.174.6 (17 Mar 2003 18:03:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3859 Hey kids I see I am the only one that did not get that mad at Joel I have been a little bit harsh with him ok but that's all let's forget this situation is doing a lot of bad to everybody Namaste Theo Reiju day today :-) anyway Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:10:00 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > > >Considering my past (the "other" reiki site of > >mine) the posts here are even too much for me... and I've learned my old > >skin just doesn't fit too well any longer. > > My husband has learned the same lesson. It's sometimes too easy to > slip back into old habits, isn't it? But this time around, you're > quicker to realize what you're doing. > > Kitten > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle > or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life > hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. > -- Ty Murray > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <4ef40597.0303171004.3bb8e26b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Enough already Lines: 33 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.126.169.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1047927697 ST000 66.126.169.52 (Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:01:37 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:01:37 EST X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OHVCRVPY]RJD]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHZUSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:01:37 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!cox.net!rip!news.webusenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3898 Are you looking for specific information? I've been to your website but am unsure of what type of information I could provide that would be useful to you. In the Hospice manual one Volunteer Job Description reads: POSITION: Reiki/Bodywork Volunteer POSITION SUMMARY: Provides reiki or bodywork to patients as requested to enhance relaxation or help with management of discomfort. As a member of the interdisciplinary team, the volunteer supports the patient and/or family or significant other by means of social interation or practical assistance with the intent improving quality of life. QUALIFICATIONS: (single excerpt) - Certified in Reiki or other bodywork program with six months recent experience. -- Steven Buck, CMT - San Francisco, CA "Peterz" wrote in message (snip) > > Good luck with your training for the hospice care. I am interested in > anything that your training might tell you about Reiki and palliative > care. > > Warm best, > Peter ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: 17 Mar 2003 21:10:48 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 60 Message-ID: <6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1047931848 472 10.0.3.2 (17 Mar 2003 20:10:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2003 20:10:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3899 kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) writes: > On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: > > >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting > >stuff on this group? No. I am also, and I suspect a lot of others. > >We are supposed to be a group interested in > >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. That is because "we" (I assume you mean the groups regulars with that) and the trolls are 2 different groups. The trolls are out for hurting others, that makes them feel great. That is their hobby. > >At which some folks have > >spent a great deal of energy. Yes. And not just the trolls are waisting, all the regulars who are spending their time answering them are also. > Just filter the tr*ll. Useless 'out of the schoolbook' style advice. Most likely given without considering (or understanding) the impossibility of doing so, for many users. So here an introduction to the problem: Bacause getting rid of this intrusions it is not just a case of killing the trolls posts, it is also a case of killing the answers to them by the regulars, WITHOUT at the same time killing all the other desirable posts from the regulars. Lots of average news software does not know how to do that type of selective filtering. And then there are people whose better software has an 'auto delete all followups to posts by xxx' feature, but whose "helpfull" ISP is killing all the trolls posts, so making it impossible for the software to register the message IDs needed to do its magic. The old problem of "helpers" makign the situation worse, by their ineptness. So a call to the regulars: Please stop responding to the trolls. *YOU* have become the bigger problem than they are. And killfiling all of you is sort of self defeating. One can just as good go and toss the entire newsgroup. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1047934048 72500771 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3919 (Neil Franklin) wrote: On the whole, good advice and yes, threading is important, but I like sometimes to examine motives which I think needs some sort of dialogue ... I never killfile anyone .. all are capable of some redemption (I'm beginning to sound evangelistic here ) as a human being able to communicate coherently and with purpose .. Had I killfiled the Blessed Roger in those turbulent days, I would have missed the one or two absolute gems he posted ... so, in the words of Walt Whitman, "You shall listen to all sides, and filter them from yourself." ... > have you coded today? Yes ... and probably created a dozen bugs at the least ... :) Stuart ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already From: macgirlie108@yahoo.com (Ingrid) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1frzlai.1oyxnmk9uzycsN%macgirlie108@yahoo.com> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (unregistered for 120 days) Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2003 22:37:45 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.238.230.3 X-Trace: 1047937065 news.xs4all.nl 49106 dsasoftw/62.238.230.3:4934 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3910 Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: > On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: > > >Hi > > > >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting > >stuff on this group? We are supposed to be a group interested in > >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. At which some folks have > >spent a great deal of energy. > > > Just filter the tr*ll. > > > Kitten I completely agree. Although sometimes it will be very hard, don't answer his posts1 It will only feed his sick desire to go on and on.... We all understand he is trying to get the blood from under our nails but as long we keep on feeding him, he will go on and on like some sort of vampire. No person I like to deal with... this is AHR. He is trying to sabotage this group... don't let him succeed.... Ingrid the Netherlands ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1047934048 72500771 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3938 (Neil Franklin) wrote: On the whole, good advice and yes, threading is important, but I like sometimes to examine motives which I think needs some sort of dialogue ... I never killfile anyone .. all are capable of some redemption (I'm beginning to sound evangelistic here ) as a human being able to communicate coherently and with purpose .. Had I killfiled the Blessed Roger in those turbulent days, I would have missed the one or two absolute gems he posted ... so, in the words of Walt Whitman, "You shall listen to all sides, and filter them from yourself." ... > have you coded today? Yes ... and probably created a dozen bugs at the least ... :) Stuart ###### Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already From: macgirlie108@yahoo.com (Ingrid) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1frzlai.1oyxnmk9uzycsN%macgirlie108@yahoo.com> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (unregistered for 120 days) Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2003 22:37:45 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.238.230.3 X-Trace: 1047937065 news.xs4all.nl 49106 dsasoftw/62.238.230.3:4934 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3929 Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: > On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: > > >Hi > > > >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting > >stuff on this group? We are supposed to be a group interested in > >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. At which some folks have > >spent a great deal of energy. > > > Just filter the tr*ll. > > > Kitten I completely agree. Although sometimes it will be very hard, don't answer his posts1 It will only feed his sick desire to go on and on.... We all understand he is trying to get the blood from under our nails but as long we keep on feeding him, he will go on and on like some sort of vampire. No person I like to deal with... this is AHR. He is trying to sabotage this group... don't let him succeed.... Ingrid the Netherlands ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:17:56 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3e768188.37695853@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e76024e.5190483@news.moment.net> <3E760E19.339E5744@ch.inter.net> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-214.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3957 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:04:09 +0100, Theo wrote: >Hey kids > I see I am the only one that did not get that mad at Joel I have been a >little bit harsh with him ok but that's all > let's forget this situation is doing a lot of bad to everybody I'm not mad at him. Nor am I mad at anyone who's impatient with him. If someone dislikes seeing his posts, the way to deal with them is simple. To each his own, n'est pas? Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:19:54 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3e768206.37821995@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-253.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3955 On 17 Mar 2003 21:10:48 +0100, Neil Franklin wrote: >kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) writes: > >> Just filter the tr*ll. > >Useless 'out of the schoolbook' style advice. Most likely given without >considering (or understanding) the impossibility of doing so, for many >users. So here an introduction to the problem: > You obviously weren't around the first couple of years I was on the group, thus don't know what I did for a living during that time. :-) Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:22:58 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3e768286.37949828@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-310.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3958 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:12:40 -0500, "Joel M. Eichen" wrote: >Why filter? > If there is a poster whom someone wishes not to read, that someone can filter (manually [my preference, BTW] or via their browser) said poster's contributions. 'Tis simple enough. Manual filtering = [del], [Next], or simply scrolling past. Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:25:23 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3e768317.38094496@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <1frzlai.1oyxnmk9uzycsN%macgirlie108@yahoo.com> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-347.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3956 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:37:48 +0100, macgirlie108@yahoo.com (Ingrid) wrote: >Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: > >> On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: >> >> >Hi >> > >> >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting >> >stuff on this group? We are supposed to be a group interested in >> >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. At which some folks have >> >spent a great deal of energy. >> >> >> Just filter the tr*ll. >> > >I completely agree. Although sometimes it will be very hard, don't >answer his posts1 It will only feed his sick desire to go on and on.... >We all understand he is trying to get the blood from under our nails but >as long we keep on feeding him, he will go on and on like some sort of >vampire. No person I like to deal with... this is AHR. He is trying to >sabotage this group... don't let him succeed.... > Actually, that's not really the way to spread love and light. It's simply an option for those who prefer to skip the contributions of the tr*ll. AHR has dealt with far worse. The way it was *SUCCESSFULLY* dealt with was to respond with love, light, and laughter. It was to *not* become angry nor to lose patience. Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: 17 Mar 2003 18:56:57 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4ef40597.0303171856.42b1b75a@posting.google.com> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <1frzlai.1oyxnmk9uzycsN%macgirlie108@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.26.147.241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1047956218 22184 127.0.0.1 (18 Mar 2003 02:56:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Mar 2003 02:56:58 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!triton.net!smallfeed.triton.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3971 Ingrid, Kitten, and others: I agree that we are undermining ourselves by engaging with the taunts. I am not taking sides in the mud slinging - I think that the "awards" are no better than whatever they were awarded for. Neither behaviour is in keeping with the principles that we should be trying to live by if we would "live Reiki" - Reiki-do as Vincent Amador put it. Among other things, I studied Aikido for four years before turning all my Ki energy work to Reiki. Aikido is the way of harmonizing with Ki in the face of conflict. According to its precepts (as I understand them) if we meet a person who is not in tune with the universe (i.e. is attacking us) with compassion and a desire only to help them and keep them from hurting us or themselves, we can do it with Ki, with love, and retain that energy. The intent is NOT to hurt or disable, only to control and not allow the disruption to continue. The moment that we "engage", and start to *fight* back, we lose our Ki state, and are as out of touch as the aggressor. (In my experience, the "Ki state" for Aikido is not unlike that for Reiki - not surprising... based on the name.) Our options are to ignore completely and continue as if there was no interruption, try to control the situation, or to be somewhere else. I think that the question is how long do we spend all of our time controlling/ignoring, before we go elsewhere. (Kitten: I cannot "filter" this stuff. It is on Google on a browser. And intelligent sounding threads keep degenerating... I would not mind filtering and taking a chance that I miss the acorn that some blind pig has found - it is just not a realistic option. Also, as above, it may not be clear who-all should be filtered.) I am willing to try the ignore/"that's nice" option for a bit. That is what I have been doing up until now, and things have gotten worse. How long do we give it? Like W's ultimatum to Saddam and the kids? 48 hours - killfile yourself or we invade (leave the group)? Nuts. Perhaps a more "love and light" type of approach: "If anyone finds that they cannot interact with the group (severally or collectively) without personal insults, saying mean things, baiting people, or trying to be disagreeable in some way, then we kindly ask you to leave this group until you feel that you can." I would be happy with this. But I am afraid that the various players all feel justified in their approach, and that it is the other party that is in violation. *sigh* Peter www.onreiki.com ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:58:11 -0800 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3E768B43.1856@nidlink.com> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <3e768286.37949828@news.moment.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-30.imbris.com (216.18.141.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1047956349 72351011 216.18.141.30 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-30.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3978 Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:12:40 -0500, "Joel M. Eichen" > wrote: > > >Why filter? > > > > If there is a poster whom someone wishes not to read, that someone can > filter (manually [my preference, BTW] or via their browser) said > poster's contributions. 'Tis simple enough. > > Manual filtering = [del], [Next], or simply scrolling past. Or deleting certain posters without reading them, then reading all the rest. Or whole threads, though you could lose out on good comments and insights. Hiya, Kitten. Good to see you back! namaste, sue ###### From: kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:50:38 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3e769731.43241107@news.moment.net> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <3e768286.37949828@news.moment.net> <3E768B43.1856@nidlink.com> Reply-To: kitten@whitepine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-117.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3953 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:58:11 -0800, suzee wrote: >Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: >> >> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:12:40 -0500, "Joel M. Eichen" >> wrote: >> >> >Why filter? >> > >> >> If there is a poster whom someone wishes not to read, that someone can >> filter (manually [my preference, BTW] or via their browser) said >> poster's contributions. 'Tis simple enough. >> >> Manual filtering = [del], [Next], or simply scrolling past. > >Or deleting certain posters without reading them, then reading all the >rest. Or whole threads, though you could lose out on good comments and >insights. I love all those unexpected insights. :-) > >Hiya, Kitten. Good to see you back! > Thanks. Good to be back, although intermittently. Our homeschool organization is on a 4 week "spring break." That means that I get a little bit of time to read/post to the NGs. What have you been up to lately? Kitten =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You can always tell a Texan, but you can't tell him much. - Chris Wall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix. It doesn't come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline. From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. -- Ty Murray =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: Enough already Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:59:47 EST Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:07:06 -0800 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3966 I will also ask that we do not respond to the Dentist, it really makes it difficult to ignore him. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Neil Franklin" wrote in message news:6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch... > kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) writes: > > > On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: > > > > >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting > > >stuff on this group? > > No. I am also, and I suspect a lot of others. > > > > >We are supposed to be a group interested in > > >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. > > That is because "we" (I assume you mean the groups regulars with that) > and the trolls are 2 different groups. The trolls are out for hurting > others, that makes them feel great. That is their hobby. > > > > >At which some folks have > > >spent a great deal of energy. > > Yes. And not just the trolls are waisting, all the regulars who are > spending their time answering them are also. > > > > Just filter the tr*ll. > > Useless 'out of the schoolbook' style advice. Most likely given without > considering (or understanding) the impossibility of doing so, for many > users. So here an introduction to the problem: > > > Bacause getting rid of this intrusions it is not just a case of killing > the trolls posts, it is also a case of killing the answers to them by > the regulars, WITHOUT at the same time killing all the other desirable > posts from the regulars. > > Lots of average news software does not know how to do that type of > selective filtering. > > And then there are people whose better software has an 'auto delete all > followups to posts by xxx' feature, but whose "helpfull" ISP is > killing all the trolls posts, so making it impossible for the software > to register the message IDs needed to do its magic. > > The old problem of "helpers" makign the situation worse, by their ineptness. > > > So a call to the regulars: > > Please stop responding to the trolls. *YOU* have become the bigger problem > than they are. And killfiling all of you is sort of self defeating. One > can just as good go and toss the entire newsgroup. > > > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith > - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware > code generates the software, have you coded today? > ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:20:54 -0800 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3E773956.5D4685FE@nidlink.com> References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <3e768286.37949828@news.moment.net> <3E768B43.1856@nidlink.com> <3e769731.43241107@news.moment.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-233.imbris.com (216.18.141.233) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048000913 74179083 216.18.141.233 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-233.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3942 Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote: > I love all those unexpected insights. :-) Yep. > > Thanks. Good to be back, although intermittently. Our homeschool > organization is on a 4 week "spring break." That means that I get a > little bit of time to read/post to the NGs. > > What have you been up to lately? Same old life. I've got a question for you which I'll get around to mailing you one of these days. Guess I'd better do it while you're on break if I expect an answer! namaste, sue ###### Message-ID: <3E774575.F17B9C51@bluewin.ch> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:12:38 +0100 From: Theo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already References: <4ef40597.0303170343.19c7728c@posting.google.com> <3e75fa1f.3095250@news.moment.net> <6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.132.176 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.132.176 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1048003702 195.186.132.176 (18 Mar 2003 17:08:22 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 81 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3940 Good morning to everybody whom are you talking about ? here are no dentist no JE , they never existed .. I find the silent after all the turmoil absolutely excellent have a bright day Namaste Theo THE OWL wrote: > I will also ask that we do not respond to the Dentist, it really makes it > difficult to ignore him. > > -- > Good Blessings > "THE OWL" > "Neil Franklin" wrote in message > news:6u1y1592k7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch... > > kitten@whitepine.com (Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe) writes: > > > > > On 17 Mar 2003 03:43:25 -0800, peterz@magma.ca (Peterz) wrote: > > > > > > >Am I the only one tired of reading inflammatory, rude, and insulting > > > >stuff on this group? > > > > No. I am also, and I suspect a lot of others. > > > > > > > >We are supposed to be a group interested in > > > >healing. I see a lot of attempts to hurt. > > > > That is because "we" (I assume you mean the groups regulars with that) > > and the trolls are 2 different groups. The trolls are out for hurting > > others, that makes them feel great. That is their hobby. > > > > > > > >At which some folks have > > > >spent a great deal of energy. > > > > Yes. And not just the trolls are waisting, all the regulars who are > > spending their time answering them are also. > > > > > > > Just filter the tr*ll. > > > > Useless 'out of the schoolbook' style advice. Most likely given without > > considering (or understanding) the impossibility of doing so, for many > > users. So here an introduction to the problem: > > > > > > Bacause getting rid of this intrusions it is not just a case of killing > > the trolls posts, it is also a case of killing the answers to them by > > the regulars, WITHOUT at the same time killing all the other desirable > > posts from the regulars. > > > > Lots of average news software does not know how to do that type of > > selective filtering. > > > > And then there are people whose better software has an 'auto delete all > > followups to posts by xxx' feature, but whose "helpfull" ISP is > > killing all the trolls posts, so making it impossible for the software > > to register the message IDs needed to do its magic. > > > > The old problem of "helpers" makign the situation worse, by their > ineptness. > > > > > > So a call to the regulars: > > > > Please stop responding to the trolls. *YOU* have become the bigger problem > > than they are. And killfiling all of you is sort of self defeating. One > > can just as good go and toss the entire newsgroup. > > > > > > -- > > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith > > - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware > > code generates the software, have you coded today? > > ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Enough already Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3E774575.F17B9C51@bluewin.ch> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048024794 74008531 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3969 The silence is deafening ... but welcome ... : Peaceful day done here .. Stuart (Theo) wrote: > I find the silent after all the turmoil absolutely excellent > have a bright day > Namaste > Theo