From: wolf@reiki.net (ShadowWolf) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: A Rose by any name is still a Rose Date: 21 Feb 2003 10:17:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 58 Message-ID: <7e8900b5.0302211017.76a16dfb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.164.49.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1045851452 8137 127.0.0.1 (21 Feb 2003 18:17:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Feb 2003 18:17:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3192 Reiki is Reiki no matter how many changes are added into it. Reiki remains Simple and effective. Attempting to complicate it or to make it more than it is serves no valuable position. How many variations need be introduced before the message becomes clear that they do not increase the effects of a Reiki treatment, they do not make you a bettr channel? When will you learn that the true power of using the system of Reiki lies not in symbols but in your hearts and willingness to share Love and compassion? Perhaps it is time to remember that not one of the so called original documents claimed to have been found have ever been seen by anyone and in fact I have yet to find any information regarding the location of these so called original documents. Not those claimed to be Usui's or those claimed to be Hayashi's. Perhaps it is time you remember or at least consider the fact that not one of these claims was made until after Takata passed over. Perhaps it is time to look past the pretty new age words and demand proof? Yes it is true that Creative visualization is an effective tool, just as hynotheraphy is and Acupressure, All forms of Breat Work, Affirmations etc. But the true value of these modalities lies in the practitioner being properly trained in them and certainly not in adding bits and pieces of them within a Reiki workshop. A practice which can cause harm to the receiver. Is Reiki a business or is it a effective and easy to use healing modality that truly resides within all beings? Teaching anything is, or can be,a business. What one charges for their time and efforts in preparing and presenting their work is no one's affair except theirs'. Reiki has always been taught as a modality that does not contain any dogma, doctrine or religious beliefs. How than does it become better if you begin to practice from a position other than that which you currently believe in? Does a christian do better reiki if he/she uses Buddist beliefs? Follows Japanese traditions? If that were true than you may well ask where are those that do Reiki from that standpoint and where are the results of their healing sessions which are supposed to be better and more effective? One answer I have heard is that they lead toward a more spiritual connection. To that I say HogWash! How can using one tradition ( which differs from your own) be more effective if in fact there is any truth in the basic teaching regarding Reiki being equally available to all mankind regardless of their personal beliefs? ###### Message-ID: <3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:39:10 +0100 From: Theo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,fr-FR MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A Rose by any name is still a Rose References: <7e8900b5.0302211017.76a16dfb@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.89.46 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.89.46 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1045852745 62.203.89.46 (21 Feb 2003 19:39:05 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 46 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3187 HI ShadowWolf wrote: > Reiki is Reiki no matter how many changes are added into it. > Reiki remains Simple and effective. > Attempting to complicate it or to make it more than it is serves no > valuable position.  SNIP and agreed ! > But the true value of these modalities lies in the practitioner being > properly trained in them and certainly not in adding bits and pieces > of them within a Reiki workshop. A practice which can cause harm to > the receiver.  Can cause harm to the receiver ? what do you mean by that?  that Reiki  or tecnics to transfer or  give it can be harmful ? >   >   > > How than does it become better if you begin to practice from a > position other than that which you currently believe in? > Does a christian do better reiki if he/she uses Buddist beliefs? > Follows Japanese traditions? > If that were true than you may well ask where are those that do Reiki > from that standpoint and where are the results of their healing > sessions which are supposed to be better and more effective? > > One answer I have heard is that they lead toward a more spiritual > connection. > To that I say HogWash! > How can using one tradition ( which differs from your own) be more > effective if in fact there is any truth in the basic teaching > regarding Reiki being equally available to all mankind regardless of > their personal beliefs?  I   think Reiki is the  same and its effectiveness does not change if you are Japanese Muslim or Christian..   but I also think that  the deep belief  or connection with its own religious roots can be helpful but not that one belief can be better than another one  I have none :-) so I embrace all Reiki :-)  Theo ###### From: wolf@reiki.net (ShadowWolf) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A Rose by any name is still a Rose Date: 23 Feb 2003 17:07:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 76 Message-ID: <7e8900b5.0302231707.6adc7f9a@posting.google.com> References: <7e8900b5.0302211017.76a16dfb@posting.google.com> <3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.164.49.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046048854 1264 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2003 01:07:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2003 01:07:34 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3282 Theo wrote in message news:<3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam>... ShadowWolf wrote > > But the true value of these modalities lies in the practitioner being > > properly trained in them and certainly not in adding bits and pieces > > of them within a Reiki workshop. A practice which can cause harm to > > the receiver. > Theo asks, >  Can cause harm to the receiver ? what do you mean by that? >  that Reiki  or tecnics to transfer or  give it can be harmful ? Hi Theo, The energy received by the use of the Reiki system of healing is never harmful. I am sorry if you or anyone were in question as to the meaning of the above statement. I will try to be a little clearer. The use of bits and pieces of other modalities without proper training in those modalities can be harmful and may cause additional damage to the receiver. Although it is true that Reiki enhances other modalities it does not make any practitioner capable of performing other modalities. It has always been understood that other modalities do not change or alter the Energy accessed when added into a treatment. It should be understood that this does not imply in any manner that any other modality is lacking in its ability to be effective when properly used by a compedent practitioner of said modality. Namaste' ShadowWolf > > >   > >   > > > > How than does it become better if you begin to practice from a > > position other than that which you currently believe in? > > Does a christian do better reiki if he/she uses Buddist beliefs? > > Follows Japanese traditions? > > If that were true than you may well ask where are those that do Reiki > > from that standpoint and where are the results of their healing > > sessions which are supposed to be better and more effective? > > > > One answer I have heard is that they lead toward a more spiritual > > connection. > > To that I say HogWash! > > How can using one tradition ( which differs from your own) be more > > effective if in fact there is any truth in the basic teaching > > regarding Reiki being equally available to all mankind regardless of > > their personal beliefs? > >  I   think Reiki is the  same and its effectiveness does not change if you > are Japanese Muslim or Christian.. >   but I also think that  the deep belief  or connection with its own > religious roots can be helpful but not that one belief can be better than > another one >  I have none :-) so I embrace all Reiki :-) >  Theo ###### From: wolf@reiki.net (ShadowWolf) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A Rose by any name is still a Rose Date: 23 Feb 2003 17:22:59 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7e8900b5.0302231722.65241c77@posting.google.com> References: <7e8900b5.0302211017.76a16dfb@posting.google.com> <3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.164.49.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046049779 2538 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2003 01:22:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2003 01:22:59 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3275 Theo wrote in message news:<3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam>... > >  I   think Reiki is the  same and its effectiveness does not change if you > are Japanese Muslim or Christian.. Agreed, no matter what religious belief one holds they are able to access Universal or Spiritual energy equally. Even if they hold to no religious beliefs. >   but I also think that  the deep belief  or connection with its own > religious roots can be helpful but not that one belief can be better than > another one >  I have none :-) so I embrace all Reiki :-) >  Theo What is most interesting is that the effects of a reiki treatment are not contingent on the receiver having any belief in it or in anything. When you {as the receiver of the treatment}add the power of your personal belief it stands to reason that your natural healing ability may increase, I suggest this is akin to adding some personal responcibility into the healing session which is a positive and non invasive addition. If the practitioner, on the other hand, adds his own or attempts to infer to the receiver that he/she needs to believe in something other than their own beliefs it then becomes an invasive treatment. ###### Message-ID: <3E59C421.71896E46@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:05:05 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: mail.ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A Rose by any name is still a Rose References: <7e8900b5.0302211017.76a16dfb@posting.google.com> <3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam> <7e8900b5.0302231707.6adc7f9a@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.56 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.56 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1046070294 62.202.32.56 (24 Feb 2003 08:04:54 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 94 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3262 HI ShadowWolf Yes I understand what you mean .. Normally Reiki is the energy used * with encompassed love * the same energy ( as the energy is the same in the whole universe but can show off in different manifestations ) If this Reiki energy is used with greed or hate will have the same effect but in negative and as Good energy ( Reiki) cure the receiver and the sender if evil will do the same.. send evil and retrive evil Electricity ( to make en example ) is the same if on High voltage wires or in a home cables or in a battery but only in differenet proportions.. and all can kill or be used to make our life easier.. there not one electricity specific for cars or for heating or for TV.. The Sun that gives light shows one manifestation of the energy .. behind this light and heat there are thousand of others manifestions of the same outburst from its core and surface that we do not perceive and taht have good or bad effects Some sun make you tan and be appealing some more burns and in some people developes allergy or cancer Ultraviolet for example so dangerous and helpful at the same. others of these manifestations have influence also on earth magnetism and electric wires and human appliances and human feelings but all come from the same source.. Again it is the* intention* we apply to the energy that makes the use of it of corse our "wires" must be trained to carry it.. the training is cultivation with meditation and tapping in our cultural background ( religion) in this case it is faith that is acting with the energy I hope I was less chocolate than usual Namaste Theo ShadowWolf wrote: > Theo wrote in message news:<3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam>... > ShadowWolf wrote > > > But the true value of these modalities lies in the practitioner being > > > properly trained in them and certainly not in adding bits and pieces > > > of them within a Reiki workshop. A practice which can cause harm to > > > the receiver. > > > Theo asks, > > Can cause harm to the receiver ? what do you mean by that? > > that Reiki or tecnics to transfer or give it can be harmful ? > > Hi Theo, > The energy received by the use of the Reiki system of healing is never > harmful. > > I am sorry if you or anyone were in question as to the meaning of the > above statement. > I will try to be a little clearer. > > The use of bits and pieces of other modalities without proper training > in those modalities can be harmful and may cause additional damage to > the receiver. > Although it is true that Reiki enhances other modalities it does not > make any practitioner capable of performing other modalities. > It has always been understood that other modalities do not change or > alter the Energy accessed when added into a treatment. > > It should be understood that this does not imply in any manner that > any other modality is lacking in its ability to be effective when > properly used by a compedent practitioner of said modality. > > Namaste' > ShadowWolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How than does it become better if you begin to practice from a > > > position other than that which you currently believe in? > > > Does a christian do better reiki if he/she uses Buddist beliefs? > > > Follows Japanese traditions? > > > If that were true than you may well ask where are those that do Reiki > > > from that standpoint and where are the results of their healing > > > sessions which are supposed to be better and more effective? > > > > > > One answer I have heard is that they lead toward a more spiritual > > > connection. > > > To that I say HogWash! > > > How can using one tradition ( which differs from your own) be more > > > effective if in fact there is any truth in the basic teaching > > > regarding Reiki being equally available to all mankind regardless of > > > their personal beliefs? > > > > I think Reiki is the same and its effectiveness does not change if you > > are Japanese Muslim or Christian.. > > but I also think that the deep belief or connection with its own > > religious roots can be helpful but not that one belief can be better than > > another one > > I have none :-) so I embrace all Reiki :-) > > Theo ###### Message-ID: <3E59C470.8BDD38F7@ch.inter.net> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:06:24 +0100 From: Theo Reply-To: mail.ch.inter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,it MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: A Rose by any name is still a Rose References: <7e8900b5.0302211017.76a16dfb@posting.google.com> <3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam> <7e8900b5.0302231722.65241c77@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.56 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.202.32.56 X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1046070372 62.202.32.56 (24 Feb 2003 08:06:12 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 33 Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:3263 I agree 100 % ( said that my way in the previous posting ) Theo ShadowWolf wrote: > Theo wrote in message news:<3E56724E.6CB83551@ch.inter.net.nospam>... > > > > I think Reiki is the same and its effectiveness does not change if you > > are Japanese Muslim or Christian.. > > Agreed, no matter what religious belief one holds they are able to > access Universal or Spiritual energy equally. Even if they hold to no > religious beliefs. > > > but I also think that the deep belief or connection with its own > > religious roots can be helpful but not that one belief can be better than > > another one > > I have none :-) so I embrace all Reiki :-) > > Theo > > What is most interesting is that the effects of a reiki treatment are > not contingent on the receiver having any belief in it or in anything. > > When you {as the receiver of the treatment}add the power of your > personal belief it stands to reason that your natural healing ability > may increase, I suggest this is akin to adding some personal > responcibility into the healing session which is a positive and non > invasive addition. > > If the practitioner, on the other hand, adds his own or attempts to > infer to the receiver that he/she needs to believe in something other > than their own beliefs it then becomes an invasive treatment.