From: "Frederes" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:52:30 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ca-bordeaux-18-120.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: news-reader10.wanadoo.fr 1040046569 1885 80.8.90.120 (16 Dec 2002 13:49:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2002 13:49:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1790 Hi, I discovered Reiki 6 month ago but i didn't really pratice it. Now i want to heal myself and others. Do i really need to be attuned to heal myself ? someone told me that i could be bad practicing Reiki without attunement.. Thanks for your opinion. Regards, Fred PS : i'm looking good website on Reiki, with pratice.. ###### From: "Mariana Nicety" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:49:51 +1100 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-206-19-122.dial.froggy.com.au Message-ID: <3dfe8294.0@mercury.planet.net.au> X-Trace: 17 Dec 2002 01:49:08 GMT, 203-206-19-122.dial.froggy.com.au Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.multikabel.nl!news2.euro.net!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.syd.ausbone.net!news.mel.ausbone.net!mercury.planet.net.au!203-206-19-122.dial.froggy.com.au Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1808 I was wondering pretty much the same thing, although might have a little twist..... When a master/teacher attunes a person they bring down the symbols and than into the persons heart - am I right ? Is this the way they are activated ? Why cant we just do that ourselves ? Couldn't we ask to be given these symbols from the source rather than have a master do it for us ? I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just trying to understand how this all works. Thanks. Mariana ###### From: "margaret gamez" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:54:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.90.224.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1040385253 24.90.224.250 (Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:54:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:54:13 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1858 Richard Jones > The attunement connects you to the Source of the Reiki energy. If you are > not attuned to Reiki then the energy that you are channelling may well work > but it will not be Reiki energy. The different attunement levels connect > you to the different levels of the energy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Jones > The attunement connects you to the Source of the Reiki energy. If you are > not attuned to Reiki then the energy that you are channelling may well work > but it will not be Reiki energy. The different attunement levels connect > you to the different levels of the energy. As I was taught, the Reiki energy is available to all. On the other hand, the Reiki attunements dramatically increase the ability of the individual to channel this energy (My RM suggested that the increase might be compared with the strength of energy channeled by someone who had been practicing healing daily for 100 years) In my own experience, this bears out. I had practiced healing for a number of years before I had the opportunity to receive my Reiki attunements. Although I had previously never noticed any "difficulty* in channeling healing, and had always felt that it was an easy and pleasant thing to do, once I had received the Reiki attunements, I noticed how *easy*, *effortless*, and *pleasant* channeling healing really was, i.e., I experienced a marked difference in the *experience* of the work. As I understand it, the Reiki attunements widen and strengthen the central (energy) channel of the individual, allowing it to receive and channel the energy "in greater amounts". Spiritual work, such as meditation, as well as healing, also open, expand, and strengthen this channel. Your mileage may vary. Blessings Margaret You must be the change you wish to see in the world. ###### Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 20 Dec 2002 23:34:51 GMT References: <3dfe8294.0@mercury.planet.net.au> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-fj) Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Message-ID: <20021220183451.29168.00000199@mb-fj.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1877 In article <3dfe8294.0@mercury.planet.net.au>, "Mariana Nicety" writes: >When a master/teacher attunes a person they bring down the symbols and than >into the persons heart - am I right ? >Is this the way they are activated ? >Why cant we just do that ourselves ? Couldn't we ask to be given these >symbols from the source rather than have a master do it for us ? Usui was not attuned in the sense of having someone confer an attunement on him, the symbols presented themselves to him after a period of fasting and meditation. I personally began healing others after a period of intense prayer and retreat and many other healers have similar experiences. Healing is a gift latent in each of us and its awakening differs according to the nature of a person and the circumstances in which they find themselves. Reiki attunements are a tried and tested way of awakening the healing power and are readily available but if you want to put yourself through fasting and serious disciplines to accomplish what is readily and easily available elsewhere feel free to do so. However it should be born in mind that the use of these practices to achieve powers is a waste of energy. BB, bH Chamundi ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3e03bda1.1432239@news.earthlink.net> References: <3dfe8294.0@mercury.planet.net.au> <20021220183451.29168.00000199@mb-fj.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:59:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.160.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1040432395 165.247.160.173 (Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:59:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:59:55 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1883 On 20 Dec 2002 23:34:51 GMT, chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) wrote: >In article <3dfe8294.0@mercury.planet.net.au>, "Mariana Nicety" > writes: > >>When a master/teacher attunes a person they bring down the symbols and than >>into the persons heart - am I right ? >>Is this the way they are activated ? >>Why cant we just do that ourselves ? Couldn't we ask to be given these >>symbols from the source rather than have a master do it for us ? > >Usui was not attuned in the sense of having someone confer an attunement on >him, the symbols presented themselves to him after a period of fasting and >meditation. Chamundi, not to take away from your excellent point, but what is your take on the claim that Usui didn't even use symbols at first and only invented them near the last for those that needed the "training wheels" because they were struggling with learning what was his "usual way"? We got the fasting/meditation/blinding revelation story from Takata, but is it true? Not that it's relevant to your point, of course, but just in the interests of an accurate historical perspective. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: 22 Dec 2002 16:43:48 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3e03bda1.1432239@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1040575428 4466784 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1924 Garry wrote: > Chamundi, not to take away from your excellent point, but what is your > take on the claim that Usui didn't even use symbols at first and only > invented them near the last for those that needed the "training > wheels" because they were struggling with learning what was his "usual > way"? We got the fasting/meditation/blinding revelation story from > Takata, but is it true? Not that it's relevant to your point, of > course, but just in the interests of an accurate historical > perspective. I am rapidly coming to the "logical" conclusion that a "historical perspective" along with the rest of it is a chimera ... it just doesn't matter ... Stuart ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: 22 Dec 2002 16:55:35 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1040576135 4555532 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed.news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1928 ... still can't think of the word ... :| Mrs Malaprop ###### Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 22 Dec 2002 16:59:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-mu) Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Message-ID: <20021222115935.06984.00000579@mb-mu.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1908 In article , "Richard Jones" writes: > If you are >not attuned to Reiki then the energy that you are channelling may well work >but it will not be Reiki energy. Reiki is a system by which we use the energy. The energy is universal, the energy is One but differently manifested according to circumstances. BB, bH Chamundi ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:02:05 +0000 Lines: 10 Sender: Judy Rigby Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1040576534 2200 194.222.30.223 (22 Dec 2002 17:02:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:02:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1914 Stuart Vernon writes > >... still can't think of the word ... :| What word's that, then ? ;) -- Judy http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: 22 Dec 2002 17:12:54 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1040577174 4602148 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed.news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1926 judy.rigbyNODAMNSPAM@rigbys.demon.co.uk (Judy Rigby) wrote: > Stuart Vernon writes > > > >... still can't think of the word ... :| > > What word's that, then ? ;) "perspective" www.phinnweb.com/chart/trainspotters.html www.fl-ag.com/xmastree/ www.rabbit.org/ www.dine-online.co.uk/bread.htm Stuart ###### From: "D/A Fischer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3e03bda1.1432239@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <5MGN9.2358$ka5.291684@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:23:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.226.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1040660609 209.179.226.252 (Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:23:29 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:23:29 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1898 > I am rapidly coming to the "logical" conclusion that a "historical > perspective" along with the rest of it is a chimera ... it just doesn't > matter ... > > Stuart I think it matters in reference to understanding the progression of things, for those who need some background. But I think we do ourselves a great injustice by getting locked into a a specific way of believing..............like this is the *only* way it works. We have all seen, over the years, how differently some people come into their healing abilities. I think this speaks most wonderfully for a world full of different people. I, personally, needed the attunements and symbols, to help form a tangible base for understanding, for where I was in my life at the time. But I also fully believe anyone can receive this ability, without all the bells and whistles, when they are ready and willing to, regardless of rituals. Love and Light, Gyps ###### From: "D/A Fischer" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20021222115935.06984.00000579@mb-mu.aol.com> Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%RGN9.2369$ka5.292578@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:29:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.226.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1040660987 209.179.226.252 (Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:29:47 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:29:47 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1896 > Reiki is a system by which we use the energy. The energy is universal, the > energy is One but differently manifested according to circumstances. Beautiful point, (and one which I have come to understand the hard way over the last two years). Thanks for putting it so succinctly. Love and Light, Gyps ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Is attunement really necessary ? Date: 23 Dec 2002 16:47:41 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <5MGN9.2358$ka5.291684@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.49) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1040662061 5196342 80.2.124.49 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust49.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1925 This is true, but when it all boils down to it, it's indicative of an individual's fight against political and societal conditioning .. Were "The Powers That Be" be so-minded, such would not be necessary .. Remember Roger's "La Luna Reiki"? http://www.cix.co.uk/~stuv/roger/E11011.htm Stuart