From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:33:44 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-416.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1415 Hi, One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. I recently read an excerpt from a lab experiment in which energy healers were asked to pass energy from their hands into water, and some analysis at a molecular level was then done. It appeared that there was some difference in molecular bahaviour that followed. The healers were holding the water container for up to 75 minutes. Some people on this n.g. have reported using a practice where they hold a glass of water for maybe five minutes. My question is this: If one carried a container (canteen of water or juice, tube of antiseptic ointment, capsules of some medicine, whatever) in contact with one's body, so that the contact could be easily maintained for an hour or longer, might this be a good practice? In this case, I'm assuming the substance could pick up the influence from one's general aura, rather than the hands. Should special intent be given at the start to pass Reiki into the container, or would this be unnecessary? I'll find anyone's thoughts and opinions worth hearing. Blessings, Joel ###### From: "jan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:45:56 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip503cee5c.speed.planet.nl X-Trace: reader14.wxs.nl 1038084358 28990 80.60.238.92 (23 Nov 2002 20:45:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Nov 2002 20:45:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!amsnews01.chello.com!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1409 Never take candy from strangers! :o) Joel schreef in berichtnieuws 3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com... > Hi, > > One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > > I recently read an excerpt from a lab experiment in which energy > healers were asked to pass energy from their hands into water, and > some analysis at a molecular level was then done. It appeared that > there was some difference in molecular bahaviour that followed. The > healers were holding the water container for up to 75 minutes. > > Some people on this n.g. have reported using a practice where they > hold a glass of water for maybe five minutes. > > My question is this: If one carried a container (canteen of water or > juice, tube of antiseptic ointment, capsules of some medicine, > whatever) in contact with one's body, so that the contact could be > easily maintained for an hour or longer, might this be a good > practice? In this case, I'm assuming the substance could pick up the > influence from one's general aura, rather than the hands. Should > special intent be given at the start to pass Reiki into the container, > or would this be unnecessary? > > I'll find anyone's thoughts and opinions worth hearing. > > Blessings, > > Joel > > ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:02:58 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3ddfec6c.21917220@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-430.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!opentransit.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1423 On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:45:56 +0100, "jan" wrote: >Never take candy from strangers! :o) > Now there's a snappy (if well-used) metaphor. Wonderful maxim for living, too. Care to explain how you see it's relevance to my question (I'm a little dense)? Bad auras can influence proffered candy? Joel >Joel schreef in berichtnieuws >3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com... >> Hi, >> >> One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or >> just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to >> enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, >> water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. >> >> I recently read an excerpt from a lab experiment in which energy >> healers were asked to pass energy from their hands into water, and >> some analysis at a molecular level was then done. It appeared that >> there was some difference in molecular bahaviour that followed. The >> healers were holding the water container for up to 75 minutes. >> >> Some people on this n.g. have reported using a practice where they >> hold a glass of water for maybe five minutes. >> >> My question is this: If one carried a container (canteen of water or >> juice, tube of antiseptic ointment, capsules of some medicine, >> whatever) in contact with one's body, so that the contact could be >> easily maintained for an hour or longer, might this be a good >> practice? In this case, I'm assuming the substance could pick up the >> influence from one's general aura, rather than the hands. Should >> special intent be given at the start to pass Reiki into the container, >> or would this be unnecessary? >> >> I'll find anyone's thoughts and opinions worth hearing. >> >> Blessings, >> >> Joel >> >> > > ###### Message-ID: <3DDFF4CD.96814FBC@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3ddfec6c.21917220@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:37:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.60.245 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1038087443 142.59.60.245 (Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:37:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:37:23 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1413 I was wondering the same thing myself, Joel, in a slightly different scenario...with donating blood. I have donated over 300 pints of blood, plasma, and platelets so far. Besides there being a bunch of folks who have an unexplained urge for perogies and cabbage rolls, is there any energy effect on them? I know it may take time, and I sometimes think about trying to conquer the planet, one donation at a time! Peace, Rich Joel wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:45:56 +0100, "jan" wrote: > > >Never take candy from strangers! :o) > > > > Now there's a snappy (if well-used) metaphor. Wonderful maxim for > living, too. > > Care to explain how you see it's relevance to my question (I'm a > little dense)? Bad auras can influence proffered candy? > > Joel > > >Joel schreef in berichtnieuws > >3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com... > >> Hi, > >> > >> One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > >> just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > >> enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > >> water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:52:00 -0800 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-143.imbris.com (216.18.141.143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038091980 21616654 216.18.141.143 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-143.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1441 Joel wrote: > > Hi, > > One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > > I recently read an excerpt from a lab experiment in which energy > healers were asked to pass energy from their hands into water, and > some analysis at a molecular level was then done. It appeared that > there was some difference in molecular bahaviour that followed. The > healers were holding the water container for up to 75 minutes. > > Some people on this n.g. have reported using a practice where they > hold a glass of water for maybe five minutes. > > My question is this: If one carried a container (canteen of water or > juice, tube of antiseptic ointment, capsules of some medicine, > whatever) in contact with one's body, so that the contact could be > easily maintained for an hour or longer, might this be a good > practice? In this case, I'm assuming the substance could pick up the > influence from one's general aura, rather than the hands. Should > special intent be given at the start to pass Reiki into the container, > or would this be unnecessary? > > I'll find anyone's thoughts and opinions worth hearing. I don't see why it wouldn't be effective. Possibly the intent needs to be used; I beleive that's how it `works' anyway. When I finish a massage session, I do a brief five or so minutes of reiki on my client with the intention that it keep flowing as long as the person needs it beyond that timeframe. namaste, sue ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 23 Nov 2002 15:19:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038093574 24512 127.0.0.1 (23 Nov 2002 23:19:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Nov 2002 23:19:34 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1436 Hi, Joel! I "see" Reiki as what Yoga calls Prana. It seems to come from the heart area and out through the palms. I don't really sense it as coming through the crown as Reiki theory sort of has it-- just that it originates in the heart. I can sense it on all levels and trace it as it goes out my palms. I learned this as Reiki but have done other Yogic practices since to allow the free flow of this creative energy through me. The palms seem to be able to carry a lot of what is going through the Heart which I guess for now I call prana. I see it as reddish-gold, and like a haze when it extends beyond the physical body. When there is a really strong surge in me, it also seems to discharge out the soles of my feet and the front of my knees. I direct it mostly with my hands, if I apply it externally, since the hands seem to be suggestible to running energy out of the heart. They are also pretty close to it. I've read other places that the palm chakras are secondary chakras linked to the heart. For me, it carries beyond the boundaries of my physical body but I can direct it most efficiently through the palms if I want to. As I say, I do other practices (meditation, asana, pranayama) more now because I can feel it within the body better than I could when I started doing Reiki. ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:34:14 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-367.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!199.106.71.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1417 On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:52:00 -0800, suzee wrote: > >I don't see why it wouldn't be effective. Possibly the intent needs to >be used; I beleive that's how it `works' anyway. When I finish a massage >session, I do a brief five or so minutes of reiki on my client with the >intention that it keep flowing as long as the person needs it beyond >that timeframe. > >namaste, sue Thanks, Sue. If the lab experiements suggest that the process of influencing a substance takes quite a while -- longer than the usual hour session given to most Reiki clients -- then, I was thinking, maybe there is another way. Put the bottle in a backpack, put the pack on your back, and give it some intention so that while it sits there it "cooks" with Reiki. OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia says is also felt from the feet and even knees. One theorist I've read, writing about what is known about energy healing, says that the palms and soles of the feet are parts of the body where the cells are rapdily replaced and that this has something to do with why qi radiates in such abundance from them. So maybe there is no really good substitute for holding the water container? Namaste, Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:36:50 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3de10dbe.24636240@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-398.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!199.106.71.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1418 Hi, Alicia Good to see one of your posts here again! I made some reference to what you've said here in my reply post to Sue. Namaste, Joel On 23 Nov 2002 15:19:34 -0800, digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) wrote: >Hi, Joel! > >I "see" Reiki as what Yoga calls Prana. It seems to come from the >heart area and out through the palms. I don't really sense it as >coming through the crown as Reiki theory sort of has it-- just that it >originates in the heart. I can sense it on all levels and trace it as >it goes out my palms. I learned this as Reiki but have done other >Yogic practices since to allow the free flow of this creative energy >through me. > >The palms seem to be able to carry a lot of what is going through the >Heart which I guess for now I call prana. I see it as reddish-gold, >and like a haze when it extends beyond the physical body. > >When there is a really strong surge in me, it also seems to discharge >out the soles of my feet and the front of my knees. > >I direct it mostly with my hands, if I apply it externally, since the >hands seem to be suggestible to running energy out of the heart. They >are also pretty close to it. I've read other places that the palm >chakras are secondary chakras linked to the heart. > >For me, it carries beyond the boundaries of my physical body but I can >direct it most efficiently through the palms if I want to. As I say, I >do other practices (meditation, asana, pranayama) more now because I >can feel it within the body better than I could when I started doing >Reiki. ###### From: "jan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:45:52 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3ddfec6c.21917220@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip503cee5c.speed.planet.nl X-Trace: reader14.wxs.nl 1038167151 9091 80.60.238.92 (24 Nov 2002 19:45:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Nov 2002 19:45:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!amsnews01.chello.com!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1407 It was merely a pun. Objects CAN absorb energies from its owner. Not all materials do it equally well. I don't know if that includes candy. One can get tired very quickly in a shopping centre because of countless thoughts that left a trace of them in the walls. You can get a headache from the energy an artist put in a sculpture. There are meditations to remove such energies. You can even "program" crystals with these meditations to do the neutralizations for you. This idea is not new. There is a company (possibly more than one) that sells energy neutralizing products made by programming sea salt (= cheap crystals). They also have a product to strengthen the aura (reiki energy?) http://www.wholisme.nl/international/index.htm Joel schreef in berichtnieuws 3ddfec6c.21917220@news.netidea.com... > On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:45:56 +0100, "jan" wrote: > > >Never take candy from strangers! :o) > > > > Now there's a snappy (if well-used) metaphor. Wonderful maxim for > living, too. > > Care to explain how you see it's relevance to my question (I'm a > little dense)? Bad auras can influence proffered candy? > > Joel > > > >Joel schreef in berichtnieuws > >3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com... > >> Hi, > >> > >> One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > >> just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > >> enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > >> water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > >> > >> I recently read an excerpt from a lab experiment in which energy > >> healers were asked to pass energy from their hands into water, and > >> some analysis at a molecular level was then done. It appeared that > >> there was some difference in molecular bahaviour that followed. The > >> healers were holding the water container for up to 75 minutes. > >> > >> Some people on this n.g. have reported using a practice where they > >> hold a glass of water for maybe five minutes. > >> > >> My question is this: If one carried a container (canteen of water or > >> juice, tube of antiseptic ointment, capsules of some medicine, > >> whatever) in contact with one's body, so that the contact could be > >> easily maintained for an hour or longer, might this be a good > >> practice? In this case, I'm assuming the substance could pick up the > >> influence from one's general aura, rather than the hands. Should > >> special intent be given at the start to pass Reiki into the container, > >> or would this be unnecessary? > >> > >> I'll find anyone's thoughts and opinions worth hearing. > >> > >> Blessings, > >> > >> Joel > >> > >> > > > > > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 55 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:31:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.162.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038169915 165.247.162.232 (Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:31:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:31:55 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1420 Joel, do you think distance Reiki is different than hands-on Reiki? Is distance Reiki necessarily generated from the palms? Cannot Reiki be issued from any part of the body? (Alicia, have you ever observed anyone trying to issue Reiki from other parts of their body or doing distance Reiki?) If it comes from Source, would it be limited in some way by our physical form? If distance Reiki does not require physical nearness and is activated with intention, would that not be sufficient for your hypothetical canteen? Why would it be necessary to carry it around with you all day unless distance Reiki is not effective? As for the lab experiments, did they specifically say that tests were done on samples that were held for shorter amounts of time and no effect was found, but those held for 75 minutes always showed results? I don't know the answers, but thought these might be good questions... namaste, Garry On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:34:14 GMT, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:52:00 -0800, suzee wrote: > >> >>I don't see why it wouldn't be effective. Possibly the intent needs to >>be used; I beleive that's how it `works' anyway. When I finish a massage >>session, I do a brief five or so minutes of reiki on my client with the >>intention that it keep flowing as long as the person needs it beyond >>that timeframe. >> >>namaste, sue > >Thanks, Sue. > >If the lab experiements suggest that the process of influencing a >substance takes quite a while -- longer than the usual hour session >given to most Reiki clients -- then, I was thinking, maybe there is >another way. Put the bottle in a backpack, put the pack on your back, >and give it some intention so that while it sits there it "cooks" with >Reiki. > >OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or >prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia >says is also felt from the feet and even knees. One theorist I've >read, writing about what is known about energy healing, says that the >palms and soles of the feet are parts of the body where the cells are >rapdily replaced and that this has something to do with why qi >radiates in such abundance from them. So maybe there is no really >good substitute for holding the water container? > >Namaste, > >Joel ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3ddfec6c.21917220@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 17 Organization: http://www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.168.25.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1038170286 ST000 64.168.25.16 (Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:38:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:38:06 EST X-UserInfo1: FKPO@MC@OHVCRVPY]RJD]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXHZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:38:06 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1404 Hi Jan. How is it possible to tell the difference between a thought-form someone else has placed in an item, versus a thought-form you have projected and believe it's from someone else? -- Steven Buck, CMT "jan" wrote in message news:arra9f$8s3$1@reader14.wxs.nl... > It was merely a pun. Objects CAN absorb energies from its owner. Not all > materials do it equally well. I don't know if that includes candy. > One can get tired very quickly in a shopping centre because of countless > thoughts that left a trace of them in the walls. You can get a headache from > the energy an artist put in a sculpture. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de180ca.962406@news.earthlink.net> References: <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 37 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:46:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.157.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038188776 165.247.157.95 (Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:46:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:46:16 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.hostname.nl!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1453 On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:19 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >> Joel, > >Ay Garry ... I know you asked Joel, but I'm a sucker for quiz shows being >of above-average intelligence ... ROFLOL!! Excellent! You've made it to the Double Jeopardy round! >> do you think distance Reiki is different than hands-on Reiki? > >Yes What is the difference? In detail, if you please? :-) >> Is distance Reiki necessarily generated from the palms? > >No ... what is there to "generate"? And Reiki is the form, no? And not the "energy" (or whatever it is that flows when we "do" Reiki? >> Cannot Reiki be issued from any part of the body? > >Again .. what is there to be "issued"? And Reiki is the form, no? Ki....or not to ki. That is the question! For you, is there no "ki" in "Reiki"? > backatchya! Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 61 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:02:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.157.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038189776 165.247.157.95 (Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:02:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:02:56 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.online.be!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1454 On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:40:34 GMT, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:31:55 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie >Niemand) wrote: > >Hi, Garry -- your thoughts are always welcome. ditto! >The answers we get to these questions, more often than not, turn out >to be based on hearsay, it seems. By which I mean not second-hand, >but 100th-hand. You're telling me! >Yes, of course. Your question here is very good. But let me ask this >in return. Why do so many of the very famous and validated energy >healers (Olga Worrall, Usui, Jison Sensei) persist in using their >hands (either touching or *near* their patients)? The usual anecdotes in the Reiki community (100th hand hearsay again; can any of our diligent researchers confirm?) say that Usui loved doing distance Reiki, so much so that he would often do it when he was only in the next room, rather than get up and go do a hands on. Is this a true anecdote, or another one of those embellishments passed on by Takata or someone later? >There is a difference in effect between water pumped at pressure >through a firehose and the same H2-O drizzling as rain from the sky, >no? Excellent thought. Do you believe that distance Reiki must always be like rain from the sky rather than the fire hose effect? I've had distance attunements that felt every bit as powerful and "energetic" as in person attunements. But maybe it's just all in my head. Is ki real and tangible, or something we imagine? >Also a good question. I don't have the original research paper, but >one could probably get it if one were willing to go to some trouble. Do you have the name of the researchers, at least? >They are good questions. The systematic teaching/learning of a system >like Reiki in the West is young enough that we do not have to get >stuck in old and limiting ruts, n'est pas? I wouldn't go for getting stuck in old and limiting ruts even if Reiki in the West were millenia old! >I've said this before, but clearly information and feedback *are* good >when one pursues other paths, like becoming a concert musician, a >certified carpenter, a driver of public vehicles, a school teacher, a >sign painter, an architect, on and on. It is even taken for granted >in "more nebulous" pursuits like yoga meditation. Amen, brother! Let's not take no for an answer! Love and Light, Garry ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:29:02 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3ddfec6c.21917220@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.28.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 25 Nov 2002 02:29:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn11feed!wn12feed!wn13feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1462 On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:38:06 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: >Hi Jan. How is it possible to tell the difference between a thought-form >someone else has placed in an item, versus a thought-form you have projected >and believe it's from someone else? Steven! Since this is all an illusion they all have to be your thought forms! :) :) If it was someone else's thought form, after you've interpreted it, it's now yours. And maybe more seriously, it's not a thought form that I stumble on. It's emotional residue. Now the only way I can evaluate something I sense is to compare it with something I've already sensed. So, what what I interpret may not quite be the same as what was left. Kinda like the thought that the color we both call red is sensed differently by each of us. Has to be since we're not exact copies of each other. Much more and this'll be a dissertation :) :) :) Lova and Light Merv ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 24 Nov 2002 18:34:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038191686 21068 127.0.0.1 (25 Nov 2002 02:34:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Nov 2002 02:34:46 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1456 Hold it between your feet? 8) > > OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or > prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia > says is also felt from the feet and even knees. One theorist I've > read, writing about what is known about energy healing, says that the > palms and soles of the feet are parts of the body where the cells are > rapdily replaced and that this has something to do with why qi > radiates in such abundance from them. So maybe there is no really > good substitute for holding the water container? > > Namaste, > > Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:42:51 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-987.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1451 On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:02:56 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >>There is a difference in effect between water pumped at pressure >>through a firehose and the same H2-O drizzling as rain from the sky, >>no? > >Excellent thought. Do you believe that distance Reiki must always be >like rain from the sky rather than the fire hose effect? I've had >distance attunements that felt every bit as powerful and "energetic" >as in person attunements. But maybe it's just all in my head. Is ki >real and tangible, or something we imagine? > The analogy was only meant to say that both the firehose stream and the rain have the same source: the Earth biosphere. I don't pretend to know the answer to your question about the attunement. I had a very powerful distant attunement too. Astoundingly so. Remember though that the attunement experience is on the more ethereal end of the spectrum (mental-emotional sort of thing, at least for me). So this *may* be a little different than intending corrective effects at the physical level. Pure conjecture (and just for the sake of this discussion). >>Also a good question. I don't have the original research paper, but >>one could probably get it if one were willing to go to some trouble. > >Do you have the name of the researchers, at least? > I will try to find it again and will post it when I do. You lucky dog!.... I'll bet you can get the original paper (once I identify it) at the Duke U library. J. ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:55:57 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 54 Message-ID: <9o23uu08fgigt90hc4d10valp8lrngjctp@4ax.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.28.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 25 Nov 2002 02:56:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.online.be!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1461 Hi Joel >Hi, > >One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or >just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to >enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, >water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. Try it with a control group Joel. It's pretty impressive. Use beans, they're pretty fast growing. Keep them all pretty close together to avoid influence from ley lines. >I recently read an excerpt from a lab experiment in which energy >healers were asked to pass energy from their hands into water, and >some analysis at a molecular level was then done. It appeared that >there was some difference in molecular bahaviour that followed. The >healers were holding the water container for up to 75 minutes. What were they measuring? I don't know that ki energy would make atoms spin faster. Any change I can imagine being able to measure with normal lab instruments would be spin off and not the main effect. Therefore much smaller in amplitude. >Some people on this n.g. have reported using a practice where they >hold a glass of water for maybe five minutes. Works a lot faster than that :) :) >My question is this: If one carried a container (canteen of water or >juice, tube of antiseptic ointment, capsules of some medicine, >whatever) in contact with one's body, so that the contact could be >easily maintained for an hour or longer, might this be a good >practice? In this case, I'm assuming the substance could pick up the >influence from one's general aura, rather than the hands. Should >special intent be given at the start to pass Reiki into the container, >or would this be unnecessary? Welp, Joel, first, you'll need an instrument that can measure any change. The best I know of is a pendulum. (Actually any dowsing method will work) Charge the water, etc. by intending to. However you'd wish to hold your hands, or mouth :) will be appropriate. Then using the pendulum appropriately, ask if what you've charged is now better for you. I don't use the pendulum so much any more, but I do try and remember to 'charge' things. I'd been forgetting. Thanks for reminding me Joel :) Love and Light Merv ###### Message-ID: <3DE1B6C3.9C535DC4@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <9o23uu08fgigt90hc4d10valp8lrngjctp@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:37:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.60.245 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1038202638 142.59.60.245 (Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:37:18 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:37:18 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1447 Merv wrote: > > Hi Joel > > >Hi, > > > >One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > >just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > >enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > >water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > > Try it with a control group Joel. It's pretty impressive. Use beans, > they're pretty fast growing. Keep them all pretty close together to > avoid influence from ley lines. In his book, 'Reinventing Medicine', Larry Dossey M.D., mentions this type of research. Cheers Rich ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:50:41 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3de1c802.35923382@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-091.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.hostname.nl!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1448 On 24 Nov 2002 18:34:46 -0800, digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) wrote: >Hold it between your feet? > >8) > Yeah, and then walk standing on your hands for the next hour or so. J. >> >> OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or >> prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia >> says is also felt from the feet and even knees. One theorist I've >> read, writing about what is known about energy healing, says that the >> palms and soles of the feet are parts of the body where the cells are >> rapdily replaced and that this has something to do with why qi >> radiates in such abundance from them. So maybe there is no really >> good substitute for holding the water container? >> >> Namaste, >> >> Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:52:01 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3de1c4aa.35067377@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-109.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1452 On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:42:51 GMT, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:02:56 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie >Niemand) wrote: > > >>>Also a good question. I don't have the original research paper, but >>>one could probably get it if one were willing to go to some trouble. >> >>Do you have the name of the researchers, at least? >> > >I will try to find it again and will post it when I do. You lucky >dog!.... I'll bet you can get the original paper (once I identify it) >at the Duke U library. > >J. The refrerence was in a chapter of Operations of Increasing Order, by John Curtis Gowan (privately published by the author) -- he was a Harvard & UCLA-trained PhD in education, who taught and studied gifted children. He got into writing about these sorts of "paranormal" things after his retirement. Gowan's reference was to material in a book edited by G.W. Meek, titled Healers (Theosophical Publishing House, 1977). The text notes changes in the stability of the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen atoms in water molecules. To further clarify (may already be plain): in my hose water vs rain water analogy, the biosphere as the source of water in both cases is analogous to the Source of creation and life (& thus Reiki) in the larger sense. J. ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:28:39 EST Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:15:00 -0800 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c02.atl3!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1460 Joel I hold my hand on the end of the faucet while filling something with water and expect the water to be filled with Reiki whenever I drink it. If you think it takes a specific amount of time to send Reiki, then it will. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Joel" wrote in message news:3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com... > On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:52:00 -0800, suzee wrote: > > > > >I don't see why it wouldn't be effective. Possibly the intent needs to > >be used; I beleive that's how it `works' anyway. When I finish a massage > >session, I do a brief five or so minutes of reiki on my client with the > >intention that it keep flowing as long as the person needs it beyond > >that timeframe. > > > >namaste, sue > > Thanks, Sue. > > If the lab experiements suggest that the process of influencing a > substance takes quite a while -- longer than the usual hour session > given to most Reiki clients -- then, I was thinking, maybe there is > another way. Put the bottle in a backpack, put the pack on your back, > and give it some intention so that while it sits there it "cooks" with > Reiki. > > OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or > prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia > says is also felt from the feet and even knees. One theorist I've > read, writing about what is known about energy healing, says that the > palms and soles of the feet are parts of the body where the cells are > rapdily replaced and that this has something to do with why qi > radiates in such abundance from them. So maybe there is no really > good substitute for holding the water container? > > Namaste, > > Joel ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:46:59 EST Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:33:15 -0800 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-hub.siol.net!feed.cgocable.net!c02.atl3!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1459 Hi guys I think the reason for 75 minutes, has to do with the belief, that it takes time to do a complete treatment. (the practitioners, and, or, the scientists. I have sent Reiki with my eyes many times. It works just fine. Remember, your intention is all that is needed to send Reiki. Your beliefs, will either limit you or free you. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net... > Joel, do you think distance Reiki is different than hands-on Reiki? Is > distance Reiki necessarily generated from the palms? Cannot Reiki be > issued from any part of the body? (Alicia, have you ever observed > anyone trying to issue Reiki from other parts of their body or doing > distance Reiki?) If it comes from Source, would it be limited in some > way by our physical form? If distance Reiki does not require physical > nearness and is activated with intention, would that not be sufficient > for your hypothetical canteen? Why would it be necessary to carry it > around with you all day unless distance Reiki is not effective? > > As for the lab experiments, did they specifically say that tests were > done on samples that were held for shorter amounts of time and no > effect was found, but those held for 75 minutes always showed results? > > I don't know the answers, but thought these might be good questions... > > namaste, > > Garry > > On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:34:14 GMT, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: > > >On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:52:00 -0800, suzee wrote: > > > >> > >>I don't see why it wouldn't be effective. Possibly the intent needs to > >>be used; I beleive that's how it `works' anyway. When I finish a massage > >>session, I do a brief five or so minutes of reiki on my client with the > >>intention that it keep flowing as long as the person needs it beyond > >>that timeframe. > >> > >>namaste, sue > > > >Thanks, Sue. > > > >If the lab experiements suggest that the process of influencing a > >substance takes quite a while -- longer than the usual hour session > >given to most Reiki clients -- then, I was thinking, maybe there is > >another way. Put the bottle in a backpack, put the pack on your back, > >and give it some intention so that while it sits there it "cooks" with > >Reiki. > > > >OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or > >prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia > >says is also felt from the feet and even knees. One theorist I've > >read, writing about what is known about energy healing, says that the > >palms and soles of the feet are parts of the body where the cells are > >rapdily replaced and that this has something to do with why qi > >radiates in such abundance from them. So maybe there is no really > >good substitute for holding the water container? > > > >Namaste, > > > >Joel > ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:02:20 EST Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:48:32 -0800 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!c02.atl3!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1458 Taking this a step further. How relieved are the firefighters when they have been struggling with the hose to put out the fire, and the rain comes directly from source and puts out the fire in its gentleness? We begin practicing Reiki as we are told to, by following all the rules as to how to do it. Soon we learn to get out of the way and allow it to flow. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Joel" wrote in message news:3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com... > The analogy was only meant to say that both the firehose stream and > the rain have the same source: the Earth biosphere. > ###### From: "michael" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <35sE9.13178$hg1.32788@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.81.72 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1038241215 144.132.81.72 (Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:20:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:20:15 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1464 What a wonderful way to describe the flow! Michael "THE OWL" wrote in message news:0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01... > Taking this a step further. How relieved are the firefighters when they have > been struggling with the hose to put out the fire, and the rain comes > directly from source and puts out the fire in its gentleness? > > We begin practicing Reiki as we are told to, by following all the rules as > to how to do it. Soon we learn to get out of the way and allow it to flow. > > -- > Good Blessings > "THE OWL" > "Joel" wrote in message > news:3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com... > > The analogy was only meant to say that both the firehose stream and > > the rain have the same source: the Earth biosphere. > > > > > > ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:50:35 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-031.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1449 On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:48:32 -0800, "THE OWL" wrote: Always good to hear from you, Owl. You were here sharing your wisdom when I first visited the ahr group, before I was attuned. Welcome to the discussion. >Taking this a step further. How relieved are the firefighters when they have >been struggling with the hose to put out the fire, and the rain comes >directly from source and puts out the fire in its gentleness? > Hmmm. I've been involved in fighting three actual fires: one barn, one small farmstead outbuilding, one urban house. Rain would not have done the job in any of these cases, it was clear. We needed directable water in sufficient quantity. >We begin practicing Reiki as we are told to, by following all the rules as >to how to do it. Soon we learn to get out of the way and allow it to flow. > Even having said what I said above (and thereby extending the analogy), I still also believe that in some sense you are right "to get out of the way and allow it to flow". I mean, if we are too much involved, it probably won't flow at all. Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:07:16 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3de2578e.37491957@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-286.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1450 On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:33:15 -0800, "THE OWL" wrote: >Hi guys >I think the reason for 75 minutes, has to do with the belief, that it takes >time to do a complete treatment. (the practitioners, and, or, the >scientists. > >I have sent Reiki with my eyes many times. It works just fine. > >Remember, your intention is all that is needed to send Reiki. Your beliefs, >will either limit you or free you. > Thanks, Owl. I'm sure there is fundamental truth in what you say here. Actually, though, perhaps I've been coming at this from another angle. It's that energy healing in the hands of some people becomes demonstrable. And secondly, that in some case where people have investigated these effective healers, some sorts of chemical level changes in things have been detectable. The fact that healing has become demonstrable in the energy work of some people leads to those healers having confidence in themselves and others feeling confidence in seeking healing from them. Namaste, Joel ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de2d851.685299@news.earthlink.net> References: <3de180ca.962406@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 02:08:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.154.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038276489 165.247.154.50 (Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:08:09 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:08:09 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1475 Oh, quit trying to weasel out of answering the question by deflecting us with your marvelous sense of humor! You'll not get out of it that easily! ;-) Seriously, what do you consider to be the difference between hands-on Reiki and distance Reiki, besides the relative proximity of the participants? namaste, Garry ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 25 Nov 2002 18:31:38 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> <3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038277898 8185 127.0.0.1 (26 Nov 2002 02:31:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Nov 2002 02:31:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.sovam.com!mtu.ru!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1488 Maybe you ARE the flow.... > Even having said what I said above (and thereby extending the > analogy), I still also believe that in some sense you are right "to > get out of the way and allow it to flow". I mean, if we are too much > involved, it probably won't flow at all. > > Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:29:54 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3de2e9ed.43425858@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> <3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-275.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1473 On 25 Nov 2002 18:31:38 -0800, digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) wrote: >Maybe you ARE the flow.... > > > Yes. But it gets into what we mean by "you" or "I" -- the small self which is subject to pride and stubbornness, doubts, fears, or the larger self to which finer qualities can be ascribed. This larger self where it connects with universal Spirit (which is not the self that wishes to be put on a pedestal) *is* the flow, I would say. Namaste, Joel ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:55:17 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <9o23uu08fgigt90hc4d10valp8lrngjctp@4ax.com> <3DE1B6C3.9C535DC4@telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.51.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 26 Nov 2002 03:55:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-xfer.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn11feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1489 On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:37:18 GMT, Rich wrote: > > >Merv wrote: >> >> Hi Joel >> >> >Hi, >> > >> >One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or >> >just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to >> >enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, >> >water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. >> >> Try it with a control group Joel. It's pretty impressive. Use beans, >> they're pretty fast growing. Keep them all pretty close together to >> avoid influence from ley lines. > > >In his book, 'Reinventing Medicine', Larry Dossey M.D., mentions this >type of research. >Cheers >Rich Also Earth Energy: A Dowsers Investigation of Ley Lines by J. Havelock ASIN: 0809570696 Great read!!! Love and Light Merv ###### Message-ID: <3DE30799.29F100E0@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <9o23uu08fgigt90hc4d10valp8lrngjctp@4ax.com> <3DE1B6C3.9C535DC4@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:34:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.173.192.243 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1038288869 142.173.192.243 (Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:34:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:34:29 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1470 Several years ago a Qigong Master named Effie Poy Yew Chow, Ph.D., passed through my city on her way to Vancouver, Canada. She did some pretty impressive demos with 'emitted qi'. Her book is called Qigong - Miracle Healing From China, co-authored with Charles T. McGee, M.D.. Includes some astounding accounts of research of qi in China. Cheers Rich > >Merv wrote: > >> > >> Hi Joel > >> > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > >> >just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > >> >enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > >> >water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > >> > > > > > > >In his book, 'Reinventing Medicine', Larry Dossey M.D., mentions this > >type of research. > >Cheers > >Rich > > Also > > Earth Energy: A Dowsers Investigation of Ley Lines by J. Havelock > ASIN: 0809570696 > > Great read!!! > > Love and Light > Merv ###### From: "Soul Purpose" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3de180ca.962406@news.earthlink.net> <3de2d851.685299@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:22:32 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.40.193.131 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1038295148 203.40.193.131 (Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:19:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:19:08 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!news-x2.support.nl!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1485 "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3de2d851.685299@news.earthlink.net... > Oh, quit trying to weasel out of answering the question by deflecting > us with your marvelous sense of humor! You'll not get out of it that > easily! ;-) > > Seriously, what do you consider to be the difference between hands-on > Reiki and distance Reiki, besides the relative proximity of the > participants? Well Garry, I thought I'd just add my little insight in here! IMO with hands-on Reiki you put your hands-on the receiver, whereas with distance Reiki, you use a substitute and the receiver can be anywhere in the world!!! (tee hee). Love and Light, Danni. ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de376e5.2778425@news.earthlink.net> References: <3de180ca.962406@news.earthlink.net> <3de2d851.685299@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:23:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.148.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038317007 165.247.148.15 (Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:23:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:23:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1478 On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:22:32 +1000, "Soul Purpose" wrote: >Well Garry, > >I thought I'd just add my little insight in here! IMO with hands-on Reiki >you put your hands-on the receiver, whereas with distance Reiki, you use a >substitute and the receiver can be anywhere in the world!!! (tee hee). > >Love and Light, Danni. Clowns! I'm surrounded by clowns! This is my payback for a lifetime of being unserious, right? :-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "THE OWL" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> <3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:04:40 EST Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:41:40 -0800 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c02.atl3!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1487 By using the hose analogy, we are forcing, manipulating, and co-ercing the energy with a specific intent of healing the situation to our own desire. What we believe the outcome should be. I do believe we should do everything we can in any situation. When the fire is out, we have perhaps saved a part of someone's experience. But in the hose was also the gentle rain. We usually see how it worked in the situation through hind sight. (yes, looking through my ass to see what has happened behind me.) In time the people who lost their house may have a better one or have moved and created a whole new experience. With your remark about it not flowing if we are to involved. We have all experienced this when sending to family or friends, or, when the situation appears to be an emergency. We tend to have a specific outcome in mind. The gentle energy sees a much bigger picture, and is designed to heal the whole picture. -- Good Blessings "THE OWL" "Joel" wrote in message news:3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com... > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:48:32 -0800, "THE OWL" > wrote: > > Always good to hear from you, Owl. You were here sharing your wisdom > when I first visited the ahr group, before I was attuned. Welcome to > the discussion. > > >Taking this a step further. How relieved are the firefighters when they have > >been struggling with the hose to put out the fire, and the rain comes > >directly from source and puts out the fire in its gentleness? > > > > Hmmm. I've been involved in fighting three actual fires: one barn, > one small farmstead outbuilding, one urban house. Rain would not have > done the job in any of these cases, it was clear. We needed > directable water in sufficient quantity. > > >We begin practicing Reiki as we are told to, by following all the rules as > >to how to do it. Soon we learn to get out of the way and allow it to flow. > > > Even having said what I said above (and thereby extending the > analogy), I still also believe that in some sense you are right "to > get out of the way and allow it to flow". I mean, if we are too much > involved, it probably won't flow at all. > > Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:09:52 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3de39945.46818265@news.netidea.com> References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> <3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-563.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1471 On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:41:40 -0800, "THE OWL" wrote: >By using the hose analogy, we are forcing, manipulating, and co-ercing the >energy with a specific intent of healing the situation to our own desire. >What we believe the outcome should be. Hmm. This desire may also be the desire of the person having the ailment. Among energy healers in Asia and some elsewhere too, this is considered legit. Meaning that if someone has a tumour, it is considered okay for them to be concerned about the tumour and okay to desire that it shrink and disappear. Please realize, though, that I am not saying this aim should dominate our minds as we do our Reiki healing process with the person. If Reiki is, as you seem to feel, a way that addresses the big pictures (generalities?) of the situation, then maybe some other approach to energy healing needs to be applied for the specific ailment. Since we have records of modern healing adepts, Asian and Western, who have been able to address specifics, then maybe some of us also need to learn *their* approaches to energy healing. However, I'm not sure that it's necessary to put Reiki in the "gentle-rain-only" category. Our good friend and AHR contributor Taggart King has expressed that after giving someone a general Reiki treatment (as usual), we can then use our intent to guide energy to where it is most specifically needed for an ailment of concern. And where it is most specifically needed, of course, may not be the exact site where the ache, swelling, or lump is -- but intent should be able to find it and place the energy there (if I follow Taggart's thinking correctly on this point). So the specific can be addressed by Reiki, too, according to this way of thinking. > >-- >Good Blessings > "THE OWL" > These are merely my humble thougts, Owl. I certainly appreciate you contributing yours here. Blessings, Joel ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3de2d851.685299@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.44) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038345835 23507235 80.2.124.44 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1498 (Nadie Niemand) wrote: See that little terrier ... the one with the bone? That's Garry, that is. And he's stolen my poor Xena's bone ... ;) In a word, psychology ... While we're stuck with our ego-perceptions of separateness I consider the hands-on to be a psychological confirmation of a pre-arranged pact in that given there is no time (other than in our own ego-consciousness), the mere arrangement of a Reiki session or attunement renders the act (as we see it) instantiated immediately. Say I were to tell you that I will distance attune you at 5:00pm on Sunday 1st Dec, and that you should quietly prepare, at that moment of saying, you are attuned. Were I to be hospitalised without your knowledge at 4:00pm Sunday 1st Dec and thereby be unable to perform (distantly) whatever processes you imagine to be occurring at my end, you (ego) would still feel sensation and consider yourself attuned. You then find out from a mutual acquaintance of my temporary and involuntary state of inaction. Do you still consider that the deed was done, or is there some small doubt in your mind? Be assured that it was done at the time of agreeing the "transaction" .. or, indeed prior to that simply by making the decision .. Whatever sensations you felt were your (ego) perception's acknowledgement of the "transaction" ... Now can I have my dog's bone back? ... ;) Stuart > Oh, quit trying to weasel out of answering the question by deflecting > us with your marvelous sense of humor! You'll not get out of it that > easily! ;-) > > Seriously, what do you consider to be the difference between hands-on > Reiki and distance Reiki, besides the relative proximity of the > participants? > > namaste, > > Garry > > ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:08:11 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3de3fe02.51526218@news.netidea.com> References: <3de2d851.685299@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-920.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1495 On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >While we're stuck with our ego-perceptions of separateness I consider >the hands-on to be a psychological confirmation of a pre-arranged pact >in that given there is no time (other than in our own ego-consciousness), >the mere arrangement of a Reiki session or attunement renders the act >(as we see it) instantiated immediately. > >Say I were to tell you that I will distance attune you at 5:00pm on Sunday >1st Dec, and that you should quietly prepare, at that moment of saying, you >are attuned. Were I to be hospitalised without your knowledge at 4:00pm >Sunday 1st Dec and thereby be unable to perform (distantly) whatever >processes you imagine to be occurring at my end, you (ego) would still feel >sensation and consider yourself attuned. You then find out from a mutual >acquaintance of my temporary and involuntary state of inaction. Do you >still consider that the deed was done, or is there some small doubt in your >mind? > Well, you've got a nice little hypothesis here, based on some fascinating theories about time. How have you proven your hypothesis to yourself, Stuart? You seem pretty convinced. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do wonder how you decided this is the way it is. Namaste, Joel ###### Message-ID: <3DE3FFC0.32C822C9@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <9o23uu08fgigt90hc4d10valp8lrngjctp@4ax.com> <3DE1B6C3.9C535DC4@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:13:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.63.1 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1038352412 142.59.63.1 (Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:13:32 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:13:32 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!borium.box.nl!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!newsfeed.hostname.nl!rip!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1494 In the spirit of doing 'Quality over Quantity' (he waits for the applause to die down...) a friend directed me to a Google search of 'miraculous messages from water'. Wow! Rich Merv wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:37:18 GMT, Rich > wrote: > > > > > > >Merv wrote: > >> > >> Hi Joel > >> > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or > >> >just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to > >> >enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, > >> >water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > >> > >> Try it with a control group Joel. It's pretty impressive. Use beans, > >> they're pretty fast growing. Keep them all pretty close together to > >> avoid influence from ley lines. > > > > > >In his book, 'Reinventing Medicine', Larry Dossey M.D., mentions this > >type of research. > >Cheers > >Rich > > Also > > Earth Energy: A Dowsers Investigation of Ley Lines by J. Havelock > ASIN: 0809570696 > > Great read!!! > > Love and Light > Merv ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 26 Nov 2002 20:47:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <3DE00690.20BC@nidlink.com> <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> <3de13672.773653@news.earthlink.net> <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <3de1838d.1669517@news.earthlink.net> <3de18c5b.33947102@news.netidea.com> <0YqE9.5451$EY.2560@fe01> <3de253a7.36492306@news.netidea.com> <3de2e9ed.43425858@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038372425 8075 127.0.0.1 (27 Nov 2002 04:47:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2002 04:47:05 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1528 The latter. By really noticing what drops away and what is left (in meditation; coming to knowledge intuitively) it starts to appear ever more clearly that this is so. xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote in message news:<3de2e9ed.43425858@news.netidea.com>... > On 25 Nov 2002 18:31:38 -0800, digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) > wrote: > > >Maybe you ARE the flow.... > > > Yes. But it gets into what we mean by "you" or "I" -- the small self > which is subject to pride and stubbornness, doubts, fears, or the > larger self to which finer qualities can be ascribed. This larger > self where it connects with universal Spirit (which is not the self > that wishes to be put on a pedestal) *is* the flow, I would say. > > Namaste, > > Joel ###### Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 27 Nov 2002 07:05:40 GMT References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-dh) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1506 In article <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com>, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) writes: >Yes, of course. Your question here is very good. But let me ask this >in return. Why do so many of the very famous and validated energy >healers (Olga Worrall, Usui, Jison Sensei) persist in using their >hands (either touching or *near* their patients)? It is reported that Usui passed Reiki not only with his hands but also his feet, eyes and breath, but as I wasn't there I cannot vouch for this. However I find the eyes are as good if not better for passing Reiki than the hands except when it is necessary to perform a manipulation. In fact I suspect very few people pass Reiki exclusively through one part of the body but rather they pass it throughout their bodies but are more aware of the movement in some areas than others. BB, bH Chamundi ###### Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 27 Nov 2002 07:05:40 GMT References: <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-dh) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021127020540.16142.00001909@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1508 In article <3de10bdb.24153012@news.netidea.com>, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) writes: >OTOH, as Alicia wrote in, many people have the sense that Reiki (or >prana or qi, at least) mainly issues from the palms, and as Alicia >says is also felt from the feet and even knees. Perhaps if people were less inclined to believe that they are their bodies or indeed that there are bodies their Reiki might flow freely from every part. I believe it was Frank Fool's Crow who described the healer as a hollow tube full of holes for the spirit to flow in and out. The flow of Reiki/Spirit is only limited by our beliefs. BB, bH Chamundi ###### Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 27 Nov 2002 07:05:41 GMT References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-dh) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021127020541.16142.00001910@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1502 In article <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com>, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) writes: >One of the first amazing ideas one is exposed in preparation for or >just after attunement is the idea that Reiki can be drawn on to >enhance the value or effectiveness of things like a glass of water, >water in the houseplant watering can, or medicines. > I keep my water jug on a magnetic coaster because it definately improves the flavour and I gather the same is true of wine. If magnetism and gross energies like microwaves can have an effect it is reasonable that more subtle energies might also have an effect. BB, bH Chamundi ###### From: "dsb" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.215.218.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mchsi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1038419217 12.215.218.158 (Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:46:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:46:57 GMT Organization: MediaCom High Speed Internet Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:46:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1529 Joel asks: > > Why do so many of the very famous and validated energy > >healers (Olga Worrall, Usui, Jison Sensei) persist in using their > >hands (either touching or *near* their patients)? Chamundi replies: > It is reported that Usui passed Reiki not only with his hands but also his > feet, eyes and breath, but as I wasn't there I cannot vouch for this. However I > find the eyes are as good if not better for passing Reiki than the hands except > when it is necessary to perform a manipulation. In fact I suspect very few > people pass Reiki exclusively through one part of the body but rather they pass > it throughout their bodies but are more aware of the movement in some areas > than others. ukdena jumps in brushes herself off and says: I found the hands to be one of the most beautiful parts of a body..... Using the hands for healing on oneself, or another, is comforting and invokes a sense of compassion (in both beings involved) and connectedness. On the other hand I too suspect that 'very few people pass Reiki exclusively through one part of the body...". My experience with Reiki is that Reiki is energy of the spirit (literal translation) and is comprised of energy and Light. Being a channel, conduit or whatever else we label it, enables the reiki to pass through me via my hands, skin, breath, eyes, feet (although in some cultures the showing of the feet is taboo) etc. Chamundi made mention in another post about the *healer*(loosely speaking* is like a "hollow tube full of holes for the spirit to flow in and out". That is very much my perception as well. XXXXOOOOO ukdena ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de5260b.2417169@news.earthlink.net> References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:05:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.133.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038427512 165.247.133.64 (Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:05:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:05:12 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.astraweb.com!news-small.astraweb.com!prodigy.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.7!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1534 On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:46:57 GMT, "dsb" wrote: >On the other hand I too suspect that 'very >few people pass Reiki exclusively through one part of the body...". My Please don't "egg" her on, anybody! ;-) ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 27 Nov 2002 19:43:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038455020 23141 127.0.0.1 (28 Nov 2002 03:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2002 03:43:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1537 The hands and soles of the feet were the first place I could feel energy. Gradually the sense expanded beyond there. I always feel it in my Heart area; the hands; the feet and knees, and many other areas now. With awareness and openness you can feel energy within the body and "outside" it, and gradually it starts being the energy you identify with as "you". It moves the physical body. chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) wrote in message news:<20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com>... touching or *near* their patients)? > > It is reported that Usui passed Reiki not only with his hands but also his > feet, eyes and breath, but as I wasn't there I cannot vouch for this. However I > find the eyes are as good if not better for passing Reiki than the hands except > when it is necessary to perform a manipulation. In fact I suspect very few > people pass Reiki exclusively through one part of the body but rather they pass > it throughout their bodies but are more aware of the movement in some areas > than others. > > BB, bH > > Chamundi ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 28 Nov 2002 01:32:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038475925 17482 127.0.0.1 (28 Nov 2002 09:32:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2002 09:32:05 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1538 In short, you can probably start to feel energy in areas where you weren't aware of it (because you didn't think it was you). And you can gradually feel this to finer and finer levels. I feel it in a way that I associate with an indescribable overall feeling of expansiveness and jubilation. It's a total charge. Most of the time I see it when it radiates beyond as a golden-yellow; sort of metallic; sort of a haze. It;s my sense that energy can flow in you and beyond you very easily if you put your focus there. Your thoughts when they are confined to an idea of a purely material world are probably what we would call "the mind," which constantly gets thwarted because it wants to believe the world can be rationally understood, yet its own energy body extends beyond that as a matter of nature. WHen "thought" is refocused to an overall sense of life force; of creative life energy (which is why I am probably seeing things and mixing senses of touch/sight/feeling together) and are yoked to a powerful sense of things beyond form-- well, that's what I am starting to see as the real mind.So I sense this "mind"'s thoughts have power, etc. Not in the sense that a rational thought confined to the material sense of things can "make" things happen-- can make an illness stop, etc. More like these thoughts operate in sync with larger things, and therefore just operate for the "highest good" anyway, because they ARE the highest good. They are the feeling of Life, and Love, pulsing through you. And this feeling, ultimately, is what you are. digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) wrote in message news:... > The hands and soles of the feet were the first place I could feel > energy. Gradually the sense expanded beyond there. > > I always feel it in my Heart area; the hands; the feet and knees, and > many other areas now. With awareness and openness you can feel energy > within the body and "outside" it, and gradually it starts being the > energy you identify with as "you". It moves the physical body. ###### From: "dsb" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.215.218.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mchsi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1038504394 12.215.218.158 (Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:26:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:26:34 GMT Organization: MediaCom High Speed Internet Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:26:34 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1540 Hello my sweet friend... as an artist I am ummm ... a *visual* type person. I am aware, on many levels, of the interconnectedness of ALL. Daily I recite a ki-ko (Qi-Gung) phrase to begin my daily rituals and meditations. The prase is: "I am in the universe, the universe is in me. The universe and I are one." However, I still prefer to have a visual to fully feel it. Thanks for all your splendid, thoughtful posts Miz Judy. Love to ALL (I picture you as conduits.....heehee) ukdena "Judy Rigby writes: > Yes, there's Light. And there's Focus and Wisdom and Connection and > Compassion and Peace and Harmony and Love. That which simply *is*, > eternal, unchanging, Life itself, the Life which is already within all > of us. It is awareness of this which comes into force through the act of > healing. Channels, conduits, hollow tubes, catalysts, call us what we > will, though personally I favour the catalyst concept above the others > because (forgive me) I have great difficulty with the idea of things > passing "through" and "into". There is no difference between what's > inside and what's outside. > ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:32:36 +0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1038508371 6242 194.222.30.223 (28 Nov 2002 18:32:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:32:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1536 dsb writes >Hello my sweet friend... as an artist I am ummm ... a *visual* type person. >I am aware, on many levels, of the interconnectedness of ALL. Daily I >recite a ki-ko (Qi-Gung) phrase to begin my daily rituals and meditations. >The prase is: "I am in the universe, the universe is in me. The universe and >I are one." However, I still prefer to have a visual to fully feel it. Hello to you, too :) I'm more of an artisan. Crafting as opposed to creating. I'm happy that way, beginning activities with a heartfelt mutter "God help me, I don't know what I'm doing" ;) Mind you, isn't it a good thing our ability to "do", "be", "channel", "funnel", "conduit", "transmit" or otherwise Reiki isn't in any way affected by our ability (or lack of) to articulate the process ? Gawd knows what sort of a pickle we'd fetch up in if we *really* had to explain the thing ... ;) -- Judy http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 29 Nov 2002 09:55:31 GMT References: <3de3fe02.51526218@news.netidea.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-cj) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021129045531.03526.00001233@mb-cj.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1555 In article <3de3fe02.51526218@news.netidea.com>, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) writes: >Well, you've got a nice little hypothesis here, based on some >fascinating theories about time. How have you proven your hypothesis >to yourself, Stuart? You seem pretty convinced. It has happened to me (and others) that I have forgotten to send Reiki at an appointed hour and yet the recipient still perceived the effect and thanked me accordingly. All in the mind? Who knows? Certainly not me, however I then sent Reiki back to her at the time when I said I would. Is this possible? I believe so because Spirit exists outwith (as well as within) the space/time continuum. BB, bH Chamundi ###### From: "Lorna Dighton" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:40:23 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.192.116.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk 1038602417 80.192.116.202 (Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:40:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:40:17 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1570 The substance carried about your person would be subject to all the influences of your aura.....can you guarentee the every living thought or emotion is good and healthy.....would you consider passing part of you good and bad to someone else or would it be better to channel healing enegy directly to the substance? Better I think to channel the enegy to whoever needs it...if that cannot be done give to the spirit world to use on your behalf.. Paul ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on substances Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3de8c7f0.138176@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.44) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038667034 27089384 80.2.124.44 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1604 (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > > >(CHAMUNDI) wrote: > > > >> however I then sent > >> Reiki back to her at the time when I said I would. > > > >And thereby expunging the "debt" and bringing back into > >balance ... > > (Stu, hope I haven't misunderstood your meaning! If I have, give me a > slap and a correction. I can't think what other meaning it could have ... is your interpretation a naughty one? ... 8-) > I hereby submit that even if he hadn't, the balance would have been > there just the same, not hanging out there waiting for Chamundi to > keep his end of the bargain. If Reiki is universal, I doubt it would > hang on the whims of humans as to whether or not the books get > balanced. Agree ... the balance of the Whole is there and "just so" ... Disagree ... the "transaction" is still outstanding ... Chamundi seeks to avoid karmic repercussions ... if I read him rightly ... Stuart BTW, I changed the subject title ... got fed up uf mu speilckicken barfing .. ;) ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on substances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de8f772.981165@news.earthlink.net> References: <3de8c7f0.138176@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 65 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:45:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038678327 165.247.136.214 (Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:45:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:45:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1582 On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >> (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >> >> >(CHAMUNDI) wrote: >> > >> >> however I then sent >> >> Reiki back to her at the time when I said I would. >> > >> >And thereby expunging the "debt" and bringing back into >> >balance ... >> >> (Stu, hope I haven't misunderstood your meaning! If I have, give me a >> slap and a correction. > >I can't think what other meaning it could have ... is your interpretation >a naughty one? ... 8-) I tried really hard to come up with one, but failed. How 'bout you? ;-) >> I hereby submit that even if he hadn't, the balance would have been >> there just the same, not hanging out there waiting for Chamundi to >> keep his end of the bargain. If Reiki is universal, I doubt it would >> hang on the whims of humans as to whether or not the books get >> balanced. > >Agree ... the balance of the Whole is there and "just so" ... > >Disagree ... the "transaction" is still outstanding ... Chamundi seeks >to avoid karmic repercussions ... if I read him rightly ... If I understand correctly the meaning of the word karma, as explained over and over by various people here, it basically just means the consequences of an action, yes? And if so, what would be the consequences of failing to "complete the transaction"? Maybe it was enough for Chamundi to have had the intent and the transaction was completed at that moment? Or maybe it's kind of like those scenarios in the book "Time Machines" by Paul J. Nahin where if you think of time in terms of a straight line, you'll get in trouble, but if you allow it to double back on itself now and then and create closed loops, something paradoxical becomes perfectly logical and both the chicken and the egg came into existence at the same time as part of a closed system, albeit at differing points of time. So in Chamundi's case, the recipient would not have received the Reiki unless it were already determined (outside the flow of time, as it were) that Chamundi was going to make up for not sending at the designated time by doing it later. Hmmm, clear as mud, right? E-mail me privately if you want me to attempt to explain the scenario of the rocketship that pretty much invents itself. namaste, Garry gdwillspam@spam.earthlink.spam.net P.S. spamless works better :-) ###### From: digital_alish@hotmail.com (Alicia) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 29 Nov 2002 18:30:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3de3fe02.51526218@news.netidea.com> <20021129045531.03526.00001233@mb-cj.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038623455 16053 127.0.0.1 (30 Nov 2002 02:30:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2002 02:30:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1606 You put it really beautifully, Chamundi (the last sentence in particular)... My growing sense is that whenever you focus on the connection between things, rather than what we take to be forms and separate people/places/things, you are flooded with the Lifeforce/Reiki/prana: whatever you personally call it. Instantly. WHen I've given Reiki in the past, the important thing was: I plugged into that and it was immediately healing for me, because it plugged me into the "power source." You immediately operate on that level, which opens you to be flooded with it. To be it. In that moment of laying hands on, for me, the connection between myself and the other person immediately adjusted my focus. It wasn't about "curing," or "giving" to them, etc. I plugged into the thing that underlies all; defined myself in that way. In doing so I became that force or energy, which is all-powerful, and which I name the creative force of Life. The force of what some call God. We're all connected. WHen you sit in a room and are open and are flooded with feeling for the beautiful plant across the room, you are focusing on your connection to it. WHether you put your hands on it or not, your appreciation of it changes it. We talk about energy being "blocked" in someone's elbow, or foot, etc. We "apply" Reiki. But I see it more as: we are all absolutely connected. Maybe that person over there is the "elbow" of the entire organism, which is blocked. How can I feel distance from anyone or anything? Everything I see glows with that sense of the pulse of life. All I sense myself doing is carrying myself forth with that recognition. My thoughts, or my hands (I kind of "see" things out the backs of the hands too, not just the palms) can carry that power equally. To me it's that focus on connection; on the unseen force and web between all things, where "illness" or "other" becomes irrelevant, that allows this. To me, this is where Reiki's power and seemingly illogic paths of tapping into this lie. Just in recognizing this when you gaze upon something or are moved by your relation to all gives you an immense power, because you become that connection. You don't have to touch anything --- if you do, to me it is just like plugging into the socket. The power of your connectin to everything is latent. If you put your focus on it, or even more literally your hands, that's your testament to it. > It has happened to me (and others) that I have forgotten to send Reiki at an > appointed hour and yet the recipient still perceived the effect and thanked me > accordingly. All in the mind? Who knows? Certainly not me, however I then sent > Reiki back to her at the time when I said I would. Is this possible? I believe > so because Spirit exists outwith (as well as within) the space/time continuum. > > BB, bH > > Chamundi ###### Lines: 42 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 30 Nov 2002 13:51:52 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1591 How many tools do you really need and what power or purpose do you attach to these tools that you do choose to use? If we accept that Life Force by any name applied to it is present everywhere than what would be the purpose of attempting to put it into an object that already contains it? Why store what is freely available? Why, if you have the tiniest believe that you are able to share energy with others both distantly and in person would you wish to rely on an inanimate object to perform a task that requires an "action" on the part of the inanimate object? In magical practices, which have been in exhistance for much longer than reiki or other associated "forms" of energy work, the concept of empowering objects relys on the knowledge of the person receiving the object. A thought process is put into effect by suggestion which can create a placebo type effect and cause a change in the persona of the receiver thereby enabling, empowering or even causing harm to them. Sending Distant Reiki for healing or sending Distant Attunements relys on the receiver being aware they are receiving. If the person that is to receives is open to receiving they will receive even if you forget to send because they are in effect opening to the Life Force at the very moment they agree to receive. The concept of sending Reiki to the past is often misunderstood. It is a process of working on past issues that heals old wounds. It is done in the present not the past. Where it at all possible to heal issues in the past (rathr than as I described above) than it would be possible to change the past and we could send reiki to people who for whatever reasons were so hurt that they caused great harm to others and the harm would not have taken place, hence we would be able to change the past. Obviously we can not do that. We can assist in healing past hurts. The above is of course my own opinions, you are as always free to "think" for yourselves. Naamaste' ShadowWolf ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3de8c7f0.138176@news.earthlink.net> References: <20021129045531.03526.00001233@mb-cj.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:08:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.159.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038665305 165.247.159.131 (Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:08:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:08:25 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1584 On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:45 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: >(CHAMUNDI) wrote: > >> however I then sent >> Reiki back to her at the time when I said I would. > >And thereby expunging the "debt" and bringing back into >balance ... (Stu, hope I haven't misunderstood your meaning! If I have, give me a slap and a correction. In the meantime...) I hereby submit that even if he hadn't, the balance would have been there just the same, not hanging out there waiting for Chamundi to keep his end of the bargain. If Reiki is universal, I doubt it would hang on the whims of humans as to whether or not the books get balanced. Love and Light, Garry >Stuart > ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:16:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-157.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1581 On 30 Nov 2002 13:51:52 GMT, shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) wrote: >How many tools do you really need and what power or purpose do you attach to >these tools that you do choose to use? > A good question, Wolf. The reason I brought the topic up is simply that so many people have found the "Reiki water" (or Reiki-charged medicine) idea interesting, and I'd suppose of value to them. Otherwise, why would it be repeated so frequently? >If we accept that Life Force by any name applied to it is present everywhere >than what would be the purpose of attempting to put it into an object that >already contains it? Could be analogous to solar energy used for space heating or for the generation of electricity. The solar energy is always there (during the daytime, and to a greater or lesse degree), but humans have found ways to collect and concentrate it, to convert it for useful purposes. >Why store what is freely available? Same analogy as above. But I'll bring it more into the healing realm. For instance, I just went through a bout of food poisoning. Of course, I started doing self-healing as soon as I could, the common hands-on stuff. If drinking "Reiki water" would help additionally, I assure you a person with food poisoning would welcome it. >Why, if you have the tiniest believe that you are able to share energy with >others both distantly and in person would you wish to rely on an inanimate >object to perform a task that requires an "action" on the part of the inanimate >object? > I've never been certain or convinced that I wanted "to rely on an inanimate object to perform a task that requires an 'action'," as you put it. I brought up the topic to further my Reiki education. You've been in the Reiki world a lot longer than myself, so I would imagine you have encountered many more people than I who use this "enhanced water" or "enhanced medicine" technique. Blessings, Joel ###### From: marty1609@bolt.com (Marty) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 2 Dec 2002 00:35:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038818118 4282 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2002 08:35:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 08:35:18 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1629 So did you charge water and take it? Most of what I've found out about Reiki (and other stuff)I found out experientially. Theory being.... theory.And people being.... different. (and the true teacher being within, which is what Reiki kind of opened me up to). :) peace on- marty tools that you do choose to use? > > > > A good question, Wolf. The reason I brought the topic up is simply > that so many people have found the "Reiki water" (or Reiki-charged > medicine) idea interesting, and I'd suppose of value to them. > Otherwise, why would it be repeated so frequently? > ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:41:37 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3deb99b2.107690523@news.netidea.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-468.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newsfeed.sovam.com!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1614 On 2 Dec 2002 00:35:18 -0800, marty1609@bolt.com (Marty) wrote: >So did you charge water and take it? > No, I didn't really go to the trouble. You can see how much confusion there is in the Reiki world about this. I would not have knowen whether to hold and intend for a moment, a minute, five minutes, or an hour -- each of which (and everything in between) seems to have been recommended at some time. >Most of what I've found out about Reiki (and other stuff)I found out >experientially. Theory being.... theory.And people being.... >different. I agree about experience, in general. I think some things are easier to establish through one's own experience than others. Hands-on applications of Reiki seem easier to follow in terms of results, although some instances of distance Reiki seem pretty amenable to assessment. Reiki-charged water or medicine seems harder to assess. >(and the true teacher being within, which is what Reiki kind of opened >me up to). > Well, you're right about this in the long term. I mean, even a concert pianist or jazz instrumentalist has to find "the teacher within," but after receiving a great deal of good instruction at the beginning. I agree with you. I'm also glad we have the newsgroup here to "compare notes" on. >:) >peace on- >marty > Thanks, marty. Blessings, Joel ###### From: Judy Rigby Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:25:30 +0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> <3deb99b2.107690523@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigbys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1038853545 28326 194.222.30.223 (2 Dec 2002 18:25:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:25:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newsfeed.sovam.com!news-zero.demos.su!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rigbys.demon.co.uk!judy.rigby Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1623 Joel writes >Reiki-charged water or medicine seems harder to assess. Maybe so, maybe not. Have you looked at the work of Dr Masaru Emoto ? "Messages from Water". Photographs of the changes to the molecular structure of frozen water crystals following the water being prayed over, or having particular words taped to its container, or being exposed to different types of music. Most extraordinary & beautiful results. I don't have a particular URL to recommend, but if you search on the name, you'll get addresses of many sites with the photographs. Would be lovely if someone could persuade him to photograph the result of a DKM being pasted to a container ... -- Judy http://members.lycos.co.uk/bluelotusrising/index.html http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:56:42 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3debba06.110343265@news.netidea.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> <3deb99b2.107690523@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-193.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1616 On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:25:30 +0000, Judy Rigby wrote: >Joel writes > >>Reiki-charged water or medicine seems harder to assess. > >Maybe so, maybe not. Have you looked at the work of Dr Masaru Emoto ? Hi, Judy. Nice to hear from you. :o) I just meant it seems harder to assess from personal experience. I maintain no lab. Which was maybe why I asked about it in the first place. >"Messages from Water". Photographs of the changes to the molecular >structure of frozen water crystals following the water being prayed >over, or having particular words taped to its container, or being >exposed to different types of music. Most extraordinary & beautiful >results. I don't have a particular URL to recommend, but if you search >on the name, you'll get addresses of many sites with the photographs. >Would be lovely if someone could persuade him to photograph the result >of a DKM being pasted to a container ... >-- >Judy Thanks for the reference. Will pursue. Blessings, Joel ###### Reply-To: "Christina" From: "Christina" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> <3deb99b2.107690523@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:19:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.67.63.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsb.telia.net 1038860344 213.67.63.176 (Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:19:04 CET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:19:04 CET Organization: Telia Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-stob.telia.net!telia.net!194.22.194.4.MISMATCH!masternews.telia.net.!newsb.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1617 There is a web page on = http://www.wellnessgoods.com/art_wat_messages.html, with examples and = pictures. It doesn=B4t seem to be available at the moment, but I watched = it just a couple of days ago, it=B4s interresting. Love, Christina ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----=20 Fr=E5n: "Judy Rigby" Diskussionsgrupper: alt.healing.reiki Skickat: den 2 december 2002 19:25 =C4mne: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances > Maybe so, maybe not. Have you looked at the work of Dr Masaru Emoto ? > "Messages from Water". Photographs of the changes to the molecular > structure of frozen water crystals following the water being prayed > over, or having particular words taped to its container, or being > exposed to different types of music. Most extraordinary & beautiful > results. I don't have a particular URL to recommend, but if you = search > http://www.rigbys.demon.co.uk ###### From: marty1609@bolt.com (Marty) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: 2 Dec 2002 19:53:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <485f8c37.0212021953.790693dd@posting.google.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> <3deb99b2.107690523@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038887621 1469 127.0.0.1 (3 Dec 2002 03:53:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 2002 03:53:41 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1650 Cool!!! And I guess I am saying too that if you kinda felt like charging the water, and could feel when the Reiki charge might have taken, just through instinct, then maybe you would have gone ahead and done it. I used to charge things this way and I would feel the heat peak in my hands at a certain point, or just get a kind of indescribable sense of when to stop. Just like in Reiki you get a sense of where to put your hands, or your attention, etc. If you use symbols, there's no precise recipe for that, either. Just do what you feel.... Feedback helps I know but then there's that whole thing too about "results," which is you can never go back to a situation, and every other variable being the same, change just one. ANd healing might not mean physical "healing,"or perfect health in some way. All the more reason to just go it with your instinct-- which Reiki, again, really opened up in me. peace- marty ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 05:37:28 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3dec40f0.122404505@news.netidea.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <3dea4f4e.97599144@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212020035.4a5e2f7@posting.google.com> <3deb99b2.107690523@news.netidea.com> <485f8c37.0212021953.790693dd@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-319.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1643 On 2 Dec 2002 19:53:40 -0800, marty1609@bolt.com (Marty) wrote: > >Just do what you feel.... Feedback helps I know but then there's that >whole thing too about "results," which is you can never go back to a >situation, and every other variable being the same, change just one. >ANd healing might not mean physical "healing,"or perfect health in >some way. >All the more reason to just go it with your instinct-- which Reiki, >again, really opened up in me. >peace- marty Thanks, again, marty. Going with instinct is one of the things we want to do in Reiki, definitely. The "results" thing is tricky. Both traditional Asian and conventional-Western learning rely on observed results to complete a loop in the learning process. The conscious mind achieves closure through this (which in turn influences certain layers of the subconscious), and confidence is gained. OTOH, there is also the principle of "letting things be" to an appropriate degree. The analogy often used is that a gardener doesn't plant seeds in the soil only to dig them up every day looking for the sprout! A balance must be found. I don't believe Reiki is meant to be a totally nebulous thing. We're supposed to learn and grow. :o) Namaste, Joel ###### Lines: 36 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 03 Dec 2002 10:47:26 GMT References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-mc) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021203054726.02260.00000252@mb-mc.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!c02.atl3!news.webusenet.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1642 In article <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com>, shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) writes: >Where it at all possible to heal issues in the past (rathr than as I >described >above) than it would be possible to change the past and we could send reiki >to >people who for whatever reasons were so hurt that they caused great harm to >others and the harm would not have taken place, hence we would be able to >change the past. >Obviously we can not do that. That time is a linear process is a convenient fiction that humans use to make their lives orderly. In fact as there can only ever be now and now contains all that is whenever it is, then when we send to what we perceive as the past in a linear sense we are sending to the present. My tradition shares with the shamanic traditions the experience that Spirit exists outwith ordinary time and the rules of chronology do not apply, terms like "past" and "future" are only useful as a way of describing these matters in terms that can be understood to one who listens in ordinary time. Can we change time? The fact is not that we cannot change time but that if we were to be able to do so our whole experience would be transformed to accommodate the change thus we would not have any memory of changing time because the apparently continuous memory since the event changed could not consistently contain the memory of the act of aking the change. In short we cannot answer the question because every change of the past would recreate the present to accommodate it. BB, bH Chamundi BB, bH Chamundi ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 07:22:23 -0800 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3DECCC2F.854@nidlink.com> References: <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com> <20021203054726.02260.00000252@mb-mc.aol.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-15.imbris.com (216.18.141.15) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038929011 28468025 216.18.141.15 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-15.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1652 CHAMUNDI wrote: > > In article <20021130085152.19943.00000409@mb-dh.news.cs.com>, shad940@cs.com > (ShadowWolf ) writes: > > >Where it at all possible to heal issues in the past (rathr than as I > >described > >above) than it would be possible to change the past and we could send reiki > >to > >people who for whatever reasons were so hurt that they caused great harm to > >others and the harm would not have taken place, hence we would be able to > >change the past. > >Obviously we can not do that. > > That time is a linear process is a convenient fiction that humans use to make > their lives orderly. In fact as there can only ever be now and now contains all > that is whenever it is, then when we send to what we perceive as the past in a > linear sense we are sending to the present. My tradition shares with the > shamanic traditions the experience that Spirit exists outwith ordinary time and > the rules of chronology do not apply, terms like "past" and "future" are only > useful as a way of describing these matters in terms that can be understood to > one who listens in ordinary time. > > Can we change time? The fact is not that we cannot change time but that if we > were to be able to do so our whole experience would be transformed to > accommodate the change thus we would not have any memory of changing time > because the apparently continuous memory since the event changed could not > consistently contain the memory of the act of aking the change. In short we > cannot answer the question because every change of the past would recreate the > present to accommodate it. I feel that when we send healing to `past' events, it doesn't change them and make them not happen, it can't possibly. But it can change how we view those events, mentally and emotionally. And that's where the healing takes place. namaste, sue ###### From: "jan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:22:02 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip503cee5c.speed.planet.nl X-Trace: reader10.wxs.nl 1038853336 17284 80.60.238.92 (2 Dec 2002 18:22:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2002 18:22:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!newsfeed.wxs.nl!textnews.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1656 Did you ever notice the HUGE amound of energy that seems to surround large trees in the spring/summer. Man, last summer I walked onto a dike and it felt like i walked into a wall when I passed this large oak tree. Really amazing. Maybe sitting under a tree could be healing already! Alicia schreef in berichtnieuws aa351163.0211280132.7190eebd@posting.google.com... > In short, you can probably start to feel energy in areas where you > weren't aware of it (because you didn't think it was you). And you can > gradually feel this to finer and finer levels. > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3ded740c.481914@news.earthlink.net> References: <3de14300.30119134@news.netidea.com> <20021127020540.16142.00001908@mb-dh.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:16:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.129.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1038971819 165.247.129.78 (Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:16:59 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:16:59 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1659 On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:22:02 +0100, "jan" wrote: >Did you ever notice the HUGE amound of energy that seems to surround large >trees in the spring/summer. Man, last summer I walked onto a dike and it >felt like i walked into a wall when I passed this large oak tree. Really >amazing. Maybe sitting under a tree could be healing already! It is for me in any case, because if I'm sitting under a large oak tree, it means I'm not at the office reminding myself over and over "Just for today let go of anger, let go of worry..." :-) Seriously, though, next time you feel a lot of energy from a tree like that, you might want to try just giving Reiki to the tree and accepting back whatever it returns. Just do Reiki, be Reiki for a while with the tree, feel your connection to it and to all life. Love and Light, Garry ###### Lines: 27 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 04 Dec 2002 12:09:15 GMT References: <3DECCC2F.854@nidlink.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-fa) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021204070915.22850.00000835@mb-fa.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!66.250.146.10.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!38.144.126.70.MISMATCH!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1658 In article <3DECCC2F.854@nidlink.com>, suzee writes: >I feel that when we send healing to `past' events, it doesn't change >them and make them not happen, it can't possibly. But if it could or if it has you would not know. To say, "it can't possibly" is a perfectly valid belief however it is also a denial of the existance of an omnipotent God which is also a perfectly valid belief if equally impossible to prove. > But it can change how >we view those events, mentally and emotionally. And that's where the >healing takes place. You can change your interpretation of events whenever you choose without any need to send healing to the events. Indeed if the healing has no impact on the events it would be ridiculous to send healing to them. To do so in order to change one's opinions would be a rather inefficient procedure when there are effective tools for this purpose like Time Line Therarapy and Thought Pattern Management. BB, bH Chamundi ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 06:14:10 -0800 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3DEE0DB2.1814@nidlink.com> References: <3DECCC2F.854@nidlink.com> <20021204070915.22850.00000835@mb-fa.aol.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-57.imbris.com (216.18.141.57) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1039011319 29037395 216.18.141.57 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-57.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1665 CHAMUNDI wrote: > But if it could or if it has you would not know. To say, "it can't possibly" is > a perfectly valid belief however it is also a denial of the existance of an > omnipotent God which is also a perfectly valid belief if equally impossible to > prove. Okay, I'll grant you `not possible' is an overstatement. > You can change your interpretation of events whenever you choose without any > need to send healing to the events. Indeed if the healing has no impact on the > events it would be ridiculous to send healing to them. To do so in order to > change one's opinions would be a rather inefficient procedure when there are > effective tools for this purpose like Time Line Therarapy and Thought Pattern > Management. This is very true, as well, but some people can't grasp this concept without a form to hang it on. Energy healing `works' to explain it in lieu of spending time with a psyciatrist ;). namaste, sue ###### Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 04 Dec 2002 21:12:16 GMT References: <3DECCC2F.854@nidlink.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021204161216.02839.00000046@mb-cu.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1667 >suzee suzeeq@nidlink.com >I feel that when we send healing to `past' events, it doesn't change >them and make them not happen, it can't possibly. But it can change how >we view those events, mentally and emotionally. And that's where the >healing takes place. > >namaste, sue Exactly Sue, Namaste' ShadowWolf ###### From: "peterr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3DECCC2F.854@nidlink.com> <20021204161216.02839.00000046@mb-cu.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:51:17 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3deecd4b$0$231@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.39.72.84 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1039060299 231 196.39.72.84 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.hostname.nl!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1671 > >suzee suzeeq@nidlink.com > > >I feel that when we send healing to `past' events, it doesn't change > >them and make them not happen, it can't possibly. But it can change how > >we view those events, mentally and emotionally. And that's where the > >healing takes place. And that is also the difference between curing and healing. Not everything can cured but everything (potentially) can be healed. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bix1@aol.com (Bix1) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 11 Dec 2002 15:01:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021211100122.03545.00000710@mb-ma.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1714 This is my first post to this group, though I have been lurking for a while. I just got attuned to Reiki I two weeks ago; however, I have always felt energies, especially in nature. I noticed something interesting when walking in a refuge near my home this week. There is a place where there seems to be an almost tropical breeze with a very warm, comforting scent-a beautiful sensation of being bathed by a sunny presence. During the other seasons, I thought it was because of a weird quirk of nature and nearby land formation. This could make sense in mild weather,but Sunday it was COLD outside. I had forgotten about the sensation until it happened this time. Could it be some kind of energy field do you think? Nancy >Did you ever notice the HUGE amound of energy that seems to surround large >trees in the spring/summer. Man, last summer I walked onto a dike and it >felt like i walked into a wall when I passed this large oak tree. Really >amazing. Maybe sitting under a tree could be healing already! ###### From: "Lindentree" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:27:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <20021127020541.16142.00001910@mb-dh.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1736 I've been experimenting with Reiki in cooking - and have not told the family I've been doing it. I get told that the Reiki enhanced food is better tasting and more satisfying, and it seems to have no relationship between what the food is and whether I've been particularly careful preparing it. Things that I've been really careful preparing are not as "good" as food I've just put together in my normal way with a Reiki boost. YMMV - this is just my subjective experience. Peace- -Adrian (Black Wolf) ###### Lines: 45 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bix1@aol.com (Bix1) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 12 Dec 2002 11:11:39 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Message-ID: <20021212061139.28183.00000002@mb-mo.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!64.154.60.99.MISMATCH!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1726 Interesting article with a lot of links. I suppose it is possible that this wildlife refuge could be a minor energy center. It was special enough for a US Senator to donate this land and conserve it. It is special and a 'happy' place. Thanks for the link! Nancy >Shal-om, > >Here is a good site which explains the correlations between the human body >and Earth - ley lines, vortexes and high energy source centers. > >http://www.naturalhealth.net.nz/healing/earth/healing/intro/about2.htm > >Yechidah >"Bix1" wrote in message >news:20021211100122.03545.00000710@mb-ma.aol.com... >> This is my first post to this group, though I have been lurking for a >while. I >> just got attuned to Reiki I two weeks ago; however, I have always felt >> energies, especially in nature. I noticed something interesting when >walking >> in a refuge near my home this week. There is a place where there seems to >be >> an almost tropical breeze with a very warm, comforting scent-a beautiful >> sensation of being bathed by a sunny presence. During the other seasons, >I >> thought it was because of a weird quirk of nature and nearby land >formation. >> This could make sense in mild weather,but Sunday it was COLD outside. I >had >> forgotten about the sensation until it happened this time. Could it be >some >> kind of energy field do you think? >> >> Nancy >> >> >> >> >Did you ever notice the HUGE amound of energy that seems to surround >large >> >trees in the spring/summer. Man, last summer I walked onto a dike and it >> >felt like i walked into a wall when I passed this large oak tree. Really >> >amazing. Maybe sitting under a tree could be healing already! ###### From: "TheHealingShelf" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:03:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20021212061139.28183.00000002@mb-mo.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 67 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1735 You're welcome :) Providence is surely taking special care of this place. You've been blessed in being able to appreciate and connect with its healing energy. Make use of your many gifts. Blessings, Yechidah "Bix1" wrote in message news:20021212061139.28183.00000002@mb-mo.aol.com... > Interesting article with a lot of links. I suppose it is possible that this > wildlife refuge could be a minor energy center. It was special enough for a US > Senator to donate this land and conserve it. It is special and a 'happy' > place. Thanks for the link! > > Nancy > > >Shal-om, > > > >Here is a good site which explains the correlations between the human body > >and Earth - ley lines, vortexes and high energy source centers. > > > >http://www.naturalhealth.net.nz/healing/earth/healing/intro/about2.htm > > > >Yechidah > >"Bix1" wrote in message > >news:20021211100122.03545.00000710@mb-ma.aol.com... > >> This is my first post to this group, though I have been lurking for a > >while. I > >> just got attuned to Reiki I two weeks ago; however, I have always felt > >> energies, especially in nature. I noticed something interesting when > >walking > >> in a refuge near my home this week. There is a place where there seems to > >be > >> an almost tropical breeze with a very warm, comforting scent-a beautiful > >> sensation of being bathed by a sunny presence. During the other seasons, > >I > >> thought it was because of a weird quirk of nature and nearby land > >formation. > >> This could make sense in mild weather,but Sunday it was COLD outside. I > >had > >> forgotten about the sensation until it happened this time. Could it be > >some > >> kind of energy field do you think? > >> > >> Nancy > >> > >> > >> > >> >Did you ever notice the HUGE amound of energy that seems to surround > >large > >> >trees in the spring/summer. Man, last summer I walked onto a dike and it > >> >felt like i walked into a wall when I passed this large oak tree. Real ly > >> >amazing. Maybe sitting under a tree could be healing already! > ###### From: "Vanessa" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3ddfc739.19380366@news.netidea.com> <20021127020541.16142.00001910@mb-dh.aol.com> Subject: Re: Question on Reiki influence on subtances Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:32:44 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.189.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1039930380 209.226.189.95 (Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:33:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:33:00 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1781 Or maybe ppl have had some 'inner' healing where then actually say what they have neglected to appreciate in the past :) Just a thought... "Lindentree" wrote in message news:uvgeiqjst0a933@corp.supernews.com... > I've been experimenting with Reiki in cooking - and have not told the family > I've been doing it. I get told that the Reiki enhanced food is better > tasting and more satisfying, and it seems to have no relationship between > what the food is and whether I've been particularly careful preparing it. > Things that I've been really careful preparing are not as "good" as food > I've just put together in my normal way with a Reiki boost. > YMMV - this is just my subjective experience. > > Peace- > -Adrian (Black Wolf) > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 07/12/2002