From: "Mariana Nicety" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Reiki, Healing and Intention Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:13:32 +1100 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-206-20-146.dial.froggy.com.au Message-ID: <3dca4a6b.0@mercury.planet.net.au> X-Trace: 7 Nov 2002 11:11:39 GMT, 203-206-20-146.dial.froggy.com.au Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.syd.ausbone.net!news.mel.ausbone.net!mercury.planet.net.au!203-206-20-146.dial.froggy.com.au Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1199 Hi, I was taught that the most important thing in using reiki is intention. Also to ask for help from my guides/helpers/angels with every healing given and to ask that the recepient receive whatever kind of help s/he needs; which to me makes a lot of sense since they are closer to the source than we are and better able to communicate to a persons higher self. Also, in an earlier post I read something about sending energy to the earth and whoever need it receive it. I've totally lost my point but it went somewhere along the lines of: Why do we need symbols and one on one sessions when all that is needed is a thought / the intention to help someone and everything else is taken care of ? And than again, why even bother with directing energy to a ceretain person when all they have to do is ask and the energy is readily available to help them ? It seems that our angels can do everything on their own - all we have to do is ask - wether or not we are attuned to the energy. Does any of this make any sense? Love and light, Mariana. :) ###### Lines: 46 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 24 Nov 2002 13:28:54 GMT References: <3dca4a6b.0@mercury.planet.net.au> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Reiki, Healing and Intention Message-ID: <20021124082854.24515.00000257@mb-ch.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1432 >Subject: Reiki, Healing and Intention >From: "Mariana Nicety" nicety88@hotmail.com Hi Mariana, In your post you make some very valid points. >I was taught that the most important thing in using reiki is intention.< From my perspective "Intention" is always present in every action taken by every living thing. "Intention" is based on a controled thought process. A "thought process" may be controled by either our conscious mind or by our personal "Ego". Our conscious mind depends on a combination of that which we have been instructed in and those areas of instruction we choose to accept as valid. Our "Ego" is another story. It may or may not be in control of our actions and that depends on how well we understand ourselves and of course what we are attempting to do. {Are we attempting to allow the Spiritual Energy Life Force to assist the receiver in acheiving more Balace in their being or are we attempting to be the Healer ourselves by using our own personal "Energy"?} It is our conscious mind that must decide. >Also to ask for help from my guides/helpers/angels with every healing - This of course is helpful in accepting that the "Power" is not you but truly comes from "Source". >to ask that the recepient receive whatever kind of help s/he needs; Exactly! This allows us to step out of our personal "Ego" and places the healing where it belongs, between the receivers and"Source". "No Expectations equals No disapointments" >Why do we need symbols and one on one sessions when all that is needed is a thought / the intention to help someone and everything else is taken care of ? The Simple Truth is that we do not require symbols if our original "Intention" is to be a "Clean Bone?Clear Channel". ###### From: "jan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, Healing and Intention Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:57:40 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <3dca4a6b.0@mercury.planet.net.au> <20021124082854.24515.00000257@mb-ch.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip503cee5c.speed.planet.nl X-Trace: reader14.wxs.nl 1038167858 9501 80.60.238.92 (24 Nov 2002 19:57:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Nov 2002 19:57:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!amsnews01.chello.com!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1408 A little eye opener for me! Thank you! ShadowWolf schreef in berichtnieuws 20021124082854.24515.00000257@mb-ch.news.cs.com... > > >Subject: Reiki, Healing and Intention > >From: "Mariana Nicety" nicety88@hotmail.com > > Hi Mariana, > > In your post you make some very valid points. > > >I was taught that the most important thing in using reiki is intention.< > > From my perspective "Intention" is always present in every action taken by > every living thing. > "Intention" is based on a controled thought process. > A "thought process" may be controled by either our conscious mind or by our > personal "Ego". > > Our conscious mind depends on a combination of that which we have been > instructed in and those areas of instruction we choose to accept as valid. > > Our "Ego" is another story. It may or may not be in control of our actions and > that depends on how well we understand ourselves and of course what we are > attempting to do. > {Are we attempting to allow the Spiritual Energy Life Force to assist the > receiver in acheiving more Balace in their being or are we attempting to be the > Healer ourselves by using our own personal "Energy"?} > > It is our conscious mind that must decide. > > >Also to ask for help from my guides/helpers/angels with every healing - > > This of course is helpful in accepting that the "Power" is not you but truly > comes from "Source". > > >to ask that the recepient receive whatever kind of help s/he needs; > > Exactly! This allows us to step out of our personal "Ego" and places the > healing where it belongs, between the receivers and"Source". > "No Expectations equals No disapointments" > > >Why do we need symbols and one on one sessions when all that is needed is a > thought / the intention to help someone and everything else is taken care of ? > > The Simple Truth is that we do not require symbols if our original "Intention" > is to be a "Clean Bone?Clear Channel". > > ###### Message-ID: <3DE157B9.5A5A20AB@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, Healing and Intention References: <3dca4a6b.0@mercury.planet.net.au> <20021124082854.24515.00000257@mb-ch.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 128 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:51:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.60.245 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1038178312 142.59.60.245 (Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:51:52 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:51:52 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1442 Hi all, My 'intention' as a lurker/participator in this group has always been to learn. You could also say that is my commitment. Sometimes my intention has been to poke fun at others. My intention in life is to 'lighten up' and be self-expressive, to be irreverent, opposing, creative, controversial, deep, committed, supportive, compassionate, fun, honest, and on and on. Does it get me in trouble? Yes. Would I prefer the alternative? No. There is intentionality in everything as ShadowWolf says. Can you see the problem in trying to discover what someone's 'intentions' are?? So my intention here is 'clarity' of the concepts in this posting and maybe to see if I can get away with 'stirring up further deep thought'! I also hope to ask the same questions that may be on the minds of some of the lurkers. Sometimes you have to take a stick and poke at some of our most cherished truths! (Speaking of my own here!) My comments aren't my 'truth' but only 'yeah, buts'. Great post, ShadowWolf, and...... ShadowWolf wrote: > > >Subject: Reiki, Healing and Intention > >From: "Mariana Nicety" nicety88@hotmail.com > > From my perspective "Intention" is always present in every action taken by > every living thing. Yep, and if I may, I add that intention is an ongoing NOW phenomenon, therefore always changing. "What is my intention NOW, at this moment? What about NOW?" Lots of room for mischief in our thinking here because our NOW intention doesn't always align with our ongoing 'commitments', and we think it should. My commitment may be to lose weight and although I think that is also my intention, at this NOW moment I just intend to enjoy this piece of pie! When I finish, I will re-examine my 'intentions'. So, maybe we are 'in' and 'out' of intention ongoingly. Not 'maybe'. We are! > "Intention" is based on a controled thought process. > A "thought process" may be controled by either our conscious mind or by our > personal "Ego". Is this another way of saying that 'intention' is more of a 'declaration' than not? Most of us humans, if we really examined the concept closely, don't have controlled thought processes. We 'react, react, react!' Nothing original in that! Our lives turn out the way they do because we don't tell ourselves the truth about this, so we don't ever alter the habit. As one learned person said, "We think that we are thinking when mostly all we are doing is re-arranging our prejudices." There is a certain 'power' in being able to spot this 'drive' in our lives. So, Reiki-ego, Reiki-no-ego, comes and goes, yes? Does that make it more or less effective? > > Our conscious mind depends on a combination of that which we have been > instructed in and those areas of instruction we choose to accept as valid. The world is filled with folks trying to 'instruct' us. We do not allow ourselves to be trained to this degree, and would go nuts if we did try. We basically function in life due to the 'distinctions' we have. A distinction is a particular way we have of 'seeing' the world. Or more exactly put, the world 'occurs' for us a result of the distinctions through which we operate. We accept or reject instruction based on these distinctions. In other words, we mainly look for 'agreement' with what we already hold to be our truths and say we are being open-minded. When I participated in the Reiki courses, you can bet we ALL brought our own backgrounds to the Reiki training and fitted 'their' stuff in with 'our' stuff and ended up with something entirely new. > > Our "Ego" is another story. It may or may not be in control of our actions and > that depends on how well we understand ourselves and of course what we are > attempting to do. > {Are we attempting to allow the Spiritual Energy Life Force to assist the > receiver in acheiving more Balace in their being or are we attempting to be the > Healer ourselves by using our own personal "Energy"?} > > It is our conscious mind that must decide. Let's see if I can get my head around this whole concept. Are you suggesting that if I think the healing is coming FROM me then that is Ego in action? Okay, if Ego is used to define something as a 'less than desirable trait' in our humanity. I'm not sure it is, in my own definition/opinion. Would you say that those moments when you are 'doing' Reiki, any 'effort' is Ego? Effort comes from oneself, no? Could you please speak a little bit more about 'the conscious mind deciding'. Would this possibly be like an affirmation? A declaration? Could you 'come from' that healing is a combination of channeling (Reiki), personal, universal, etc. energy and just let fly? If healing occurs and we decide it isn't Reiki, then we better discover what the heck it was, because I want to do more of that other stuff! Ego be damned! > > >Also to ask for help from my guides/helpers/angels with every healing - > > This of course is helpful in accepting that the "Power" is not you but truly > comes from "Source". > > >to ask that the recepient receive whatever kind of help s/he needs; > > Exactly! This allows us to step out of our personal "Ego" and places the > healing where it belongs, between the receivers and"Source". > "No Expectations equals No disapointments" Okay, ShadowWolf, now I gotta directly challenge this statement. Firstly, I don't think this is what you meant to say. Unless of course, maybe it is. Is the purpose of 'No expectations' to be about disappointments? Who is it that is disappointed if not your definition of Ego? Is what you meant to say something like, 'you can only have expectations if you know what the Higher Source is up to'? The tough part about writing out our thoughts is that once we press the 'Send' button they are gone! All we can say is "Oh S--t! That's not what I meant!" > > >Why do we need symbols and one on one sessions when all that is needed is a > thought / the intention to help someone and everything else is taken care of ? > > The Simple Truth is that we do not require symbols if our original "Intention" > is to be a "Clean Bone?Clear Channel". On this thought I love to get creative. Humans love ritual. We also love contact with other humans. Yipes, have you counted how many of us there are, lately? So, why not have fun with this part? If I were to create something like the human race that thrived on closeness and touch, etc. I would definitely have things like healing be filled with touch, closeness, love, etc. What if 'fun, joy, etc.' were missing ingredients in this whole conversation about healing? Actually I think they are. Humans are too damned heavy and significant! Those are my thoughts, team! Now get out there and Heal!! Peace, Rich ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Reiki, Healing and Intention Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3DE157B9.5A5A20AB@telusplanet.net> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.44) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1038179188 22398063 80.2.124.44 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1444 (Rich) wrote: > My 'intention' as a lurker/participator in this group has always been to > learn. You could also say that is my commitment. Sometimes my intention > has been to poke fun at others. My intention in life is to 'lighten up' > and be self-expressive, to be irreverent, opposing, creative, > controversial, deep, committed, supportive, compassionate, fun, honest, > and on and on. Does it get me in trouble? Yes. Would I prefer the > alternative? No. Absolutely .... well said ... :) Stuart