Message-ID: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 03:04:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.61.46 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1036206287 142.59.61.46 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:04:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:04:47 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1092 Hi everyone, Have just completed this book and would like to hear from anyone who is familiar with Wei Chi Tibetan Reiki, from a practical viewpoint. I am particularly interested in the 'interview' with the client. 'The practitioner will determine if the client takes full responsibility for his/her condition. The client must also actively participate in the healing process. If not, then no Reiki session.' If someone has some real-life experiences with Wei Chi Reiki, and this hasn't been covered in past postings, could you please share? Thanks. Peace Rich http://www.weboflight.com/weichireiki.htm ###### From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Organization: www.metareiki.org Reply-To: metareiki@hotmail.com Message-ID: <4lk6sugeb188e0chouo3meemsth93oh74d@4ax.com> References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.168.24.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1036211311 ST000 64.168.24.247 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:28:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:28:31 EST X-UserInfo1: [[PGW^GDTRWUCUH]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHPHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 04:28:31 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1118 On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 03:04:47 GMT, Rich wrote: >Hi everyone, >Have just completed this book and would like to hear from anyone who is >familiar with Wei Chi Tibetan Reiki, from a practical viewpoint. I am >particularly interested in the 'interview' with the client. 'The >practitioner will determine if the client takes full responsibility for >his/her condition. The client must also actively participate in the >healing process. If not, then no Reiki session.' If someone has some >real-life experiences with Wei Chi Reiki, and this hasn't been covered >in past postings, could you please share? Thanks. >Peace >Rich >http://www.weboflight.com/weichireiki.htm That's a very interesting site. It reminds me of a book I read years ago: "You can Heal your Life," by Louise Hay. If I remember correctly from that book, the author suggests that you have an illness because you want to have it. So, if you are diagnosed with terminal cancer, it's because you wanted it. Perhaps others know (or remember more) about it than myself. This is the first time I've heard of Wei Chi Reiki and unfortunately can make no comments other than what it reminds me of. Steven Buck, CMT ###### From: "Taggart King" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:05:19 -0000 Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-62-64-161-180.access.uk.tiscali.com Message-ID: <3dc389f3_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> X-Trace: 2 Nov 2002 08:16:51 GMT, dial-62-64-161-180.access.uk.tiscali.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!dial-62-64-161-180.access.uk.tiscali.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1126 Wei Chi is a channelled system as far as I know. As I understand it, the 'Tibetan' connection with Reiki is tenuous. Appareently, Buddhism had been established in Japan for several centuries before it even got to Tibet, so Buddhism didn't move from India > Tibet > China > Japan. Best wishes, Taggart www.reiki-evolution.co.uk "Rich" wrote in message news:3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net... > Hi everyone, > Have just completed this book and would like to hear from anyone who is > familiar with Wei Chi Tibetan Reiki, from a practical viewpoint. I am > particularly interested in the 'interview' with the client. 'The > practitioner will determine if the client takes full responsibility for > his/her condition. The client must also actively participate in the > healing process. If not, then no Reiki session.' If someone has some > real-life experiences with Wei Chi Reiki, and this hasn't been covered > in past postings, could you please share? Thanks. > Peace > Rich > http://www.weboflight.com/weichireiki.htm ###### From: "Wombat" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <3dc389f3_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:20:20 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3dc3c338$2$24167$fb624cd1@news1.zeelandnet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.238.3.93 X-Trace: 1036239673 news1.zeelandnet.nl 24167 62.238.3.93 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!news1b.kpn.net!news1.zeelandnet.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1110 That's correct Taggart. I still have a copy of the document, from the days of yore, when things were still shared, with no price tags, and people thought it was sufficient to just mention their names with honour. The document I refer to is: The Lost Steps Of Reiki The channelled Teachings of Wei Chi Rev. Thomas A. Hensel and Rev. Kevin Ross Emery kindest regards, Wombat:) "Taggart King" schreef in bericht news:3dc389f3_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com... > Wei Chi is a channelled system as far as I know. > > As I understand it, the 'Tibetan' connection with Reiki is tenuous. > Appareently, Buddhism had been established in Japan for several centuries > before it even got to Tibet, so Buddhism didn't move from India > Tibet > > China > Japan. > > Best wishes, > > > Taggart > www.reiki-evolution.co.uk > > "Rich" wrote in message > news:3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net... > > Hi everyone, > > Have just completed this book and would like to hear from anyone who is > > familiar with Wei Chi Tibetan Reiki, from a practical viewpoint. I am > > particularly interested in the 'interview' with the client. 'The > > practitioner will determine if the client takes full responsibility for > > his/her condition. The client must also actively participate in the > > healing process. If not, then no Reiki session.' If someone has some > > real-life experiences with Wei Chi Reiki, and this hasn't been covered > > in past postings, could you please share? Thanks. > > Peace > > Rich > > http://www.weboflight.com/weichireiki.htm > > ###### From: reikiwatford@aol.com (Chris Moon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: 2 Nov 2002 08:47:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <3dc389f3_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.93.32.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036255649 24526 127.0.0.1 (2 Nov 2002 16:47:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2002 16:47:29 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1116 This is interesting. I came across W.C. Reiki a few years ago when the book was published on another site. Whatever the source, the two men who published the channelled inform., had some interesting insights into what maybe the way "reiki" or whatever it was called in China was practised, and i must say that the attitude portrayed by the source in giving their attitude to clients resonated with me. I was at the time and still am very precise in telling prospective clients, what I feel are their responsibilities to the healing procecure. If they feel that they are not able to comply with my recommended,life altering recommendations. Then there is not point in me treating them. I would refuse to treat a client who wouldn't follow my recommendations. BUT I have, and have had clients with chest conditions and who smoke, and I have told them that they must drastically cut down or stop for me to continue to treat them. BUT I would not initially refuse to treat them, as my intention in the 1st or 2nd session would be for their need to stop smoking to work, but after that if they continued, then I would/will stop treating them. ###### Message-ID: <3DC40ACA.82D2A289@telusplanet.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <3dc389f3_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:26:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.61.46 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1036258017 142.59.61.46 (Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:26:57 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:26:57 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1094 Chris Moon wrote: > > This is interesting. I came across W.C. Reiki a few years ago when the > book was published on another site. > I was at the time and still am very precise in telling prospective > clients, what I feel are their responsibilities to the healing > procecure. If they feel that they are not able to comply with my > recommended,life altering recommendations. Then there is not point in > me treating them. I would refuse to treat a client who wouldn't follow > my recommendations. > Hi Chris, I can relate to what you say. When I work with someone (and I am still learning) I try to have it be that 'they are using me' and are ultimately doing their own healing. I have never refused anyone who wasn't sure of the 'responsibility' distinction. I am a very basic practitioner. Assume the positions, go with the flow. It has been mentioned on this ng (or associated websites) that the healing begins on the spiritual level. Could this help the client to drop whatever resistance to healing exists? Just a thought. If this is the case, maybe just continue to offer Reiki? Peace Rich ###### From: "jan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:50:10 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <4lk6sugeb188e0chouo3meemsth93oh74d@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip503cee5c.speed.planet.nl X-Trace: reader12.wxs.nl 1037231513 5276 80.60.238.92 (13 Nov 2002 23:51:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2002 23:51:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.multikabel.nl!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1276 Steven Buck, CMT schreef in berichtnieuws 4lk6sugeb188e0chouo3meemsth93oh74d@4ax.com... > On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 03:04:47 GMT, Rich > wrote: > If I remember correctly from that book, the author > suggests that you have an illness because you want to have it. So, if > you are diagnosed with terminal cancer, it's because you wanted it. > Perhaps others know (or remember more) about it than myself. > Cancer is a root chakra desease. It develops when there is so much root chakra karma that it disrupts the dna. Root chakra karma can be transformed (neutralized ) by visualizing a white rose on the affected area/problem. ###### Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: chamundi@aol.com (CHAMUNDI) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 27 Nov 2002 07:05:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-dh) Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Message-ID: <20021127020530.16142.00001895@mb-dh.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1511 In article , "jan" writes: >Cancer is a root chakra desease. It develops when there is so much root >chakra karma that it disrupts the dna. > Ho hum. Still we're all entitled to our opinions and to express them. BB, bH Chamundi ###### Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 29 Nov 2002 01:51:15 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Message-ID: <20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1561 >From: "jan" rproost@planet.nl >Cancer is a root chakra desease. It develops when there is so much root >chakra karma that it disrupts the dna. > >Root chakra karma can be transformed (neutralized ) by visualizing a white >rose on the affected area/problem.< Ok, So who needs to do the visualizing? The person with the cnce or the practitioner? Has anyone actually done this successfully? Curious ol wolf ###### From: "jan" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:58:37 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip503cee5c.speed.planet.nl X-Trace: reader11.wxs.nl 1038700727 12031 80.60.238.92 (30 Nov 2002 23:58:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2002 23:58:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newsfeed.wxs.nl!textnews.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1657 Dear curious ol wolf, (pardon my engrish) It is preferable that the patient does it him/herself. That way the patient makes him/herself independent when it comes to healing. It also raises the person's consciousness, wich is a key factor in getting well. You can assist however. I got this information from one the many books written by Sonia. Sonia dedicated her life to bringing the aquarian mysticism to the world. She does this by channeling the source of life directly, without any helper spirits. Unfortunately, all but 2 of her books are written in Dutch. The small english part of her website: http://www.en.soniabos.nl/root/599/doc.stm?rootid=599 As to did anyone try it? Sorry, I only know 1 person with cancer. I didn't have the guts to step to him and do it. So I cowardly send him a little white rose from my heart, while laying in bed. He seems to be doing well, but there's no way I can check if my little meditation had something to do with it. I did however transform a lot of my own karma using the white rose (and other) symbols, and I definitely can feel the difference! Symbols for the individual life (hope I translated them right): 1 The white rose. 2 The crystalline diamond 3 The white (chalice) lilly. 4 The ark ( a boat) Symbols for the protection of life itself 5 The grail 6 The crystalline crown 7 The crystalline lotus 8 The white swan Symbols for the realization of life 9 The golden sun (no flames) 10 The white iris 11 The double star (a five pointed star into a seven pointed star) 12 The golden sun containing a white iris 13 The blazing golden sun (with moving rays)<----wow! 14 The golden crown (activates your cosmic plan) Oh, oops! bedtime! ShadowWolf schreef in berichtnieuws 20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com... > >From: "jan" rproost@planet.nl > > >Cancer is a root chakra desease. It develops when there is so much root > >chakra karma that it disrupts the dna. > > > >Root chakra karma can be transformed (neutralized ) by visualizing a white > >rose on the affected area/problem.< > > Ok, So who needs to do the visualizing? > The person with the cnce or the practitioner? > > Has anyone actually done this successfully? > > Curious ol wolf > > ###### From: "Krishnacarya" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:19:02 +0100 Organization: http://www.yahweh.com/ Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: <20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54bc1a8.olympus.planet.nl X-Trace: reader11.wxs.nl 1038758748 97 213.75.193.168 (1 Dec 2002 16:05:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 2002 16:05:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2.euro.net!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!newsfeed.wxs.nl!textnews.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1654 "jan" wrote in message news:asbjbn$bnv$1@reader11.wxs.nl... Nice piece, jan. I'll be sure to check it out, and you are right about sending stuff from the heart, positive phi-lingua, the language of light and energy. I heard even DNA works on the Phi ratio, maybe in the near future we will be able to cure genetic defects, endless possibilities. > Dear curious ol wolf, > (pardon my engrish) > It is preferable that the patient does it him/herself. That way the patient > makes him/herself independent when it comes to healing. It also raises the > person's consciousness, wich is a key factor in getting well. You can assist > however. > > I got this information from one the many books written by Sonia. Sonia > dedicated her life to bringing the aquarian mysticism to the world. She does > this by channeling the source of life directly, without any helper spirits. > Unfortunately, all but 2 of her books are written in Dutch. > > The small english part of her website: > http://www.en.soniabos.nl/root/599/doc.stm?rootid=599 > > > As to did anyone try it? > Sorry, I only know 1 person with cancer. I didn't have the guts to step to > him and do it. So I cowardly send him a little white rose from my heart, > while laying in bed. He seems to be doing well, but there's no way I can > check if my little meditation had something to do with it. > > I did however transform a lot of my own karma using the white rose (and > other) symbols, and I definitely can feel the difference! > > Symbols for the individual life (hope I translated them right): > 1 The white rose. > 2 The crystalline diamond > 3 The white (chalice) lilly. > 4 The ark ( a boat) > > Symbols for the protection of life itself > 5 The grail > 6 The crystalline crown > 7 The crystalline lotus > 8 The white swan > > Symbols for the realization of life > 9 The golden sun (no flames) > 10 The white iris > 11 The double star (a five pointed star into a seven pointed star) > 12 The golden sun containing a white iris > 13 The blazing golden sun (with moving rays)<----wow! > > 14 The golden crown (activates your cosmic plan) > > Oh, oops! bedtime! > > > ShadowWolf schreef in berichtnieuws > 20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com... > > >From: "jan" rproost@planet.nl > > > > >Cancer is a root chakra desease. It develops when there is so much root > > >chakra karma that it disrupts the dna. > > > > > >Root chakra karma can be transformed (neutralized ) by visualizing a > white > > >rose on the affected area/problem.< > > > > Ok, So who needs to do the visualizing? > > The person with the cnce or the practitioner? > > > > Has anyone actually done this successfully? > > > > Curious ol wolf > > > > > > ###### Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 05 Dec 2002 12:02:39 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Message-ID: <20021205070239.02836.00000049@mb-cg.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1675 ShadowWolf replies: >From: "jan" rproost@planet.nl >Dear curious ol wolf, >(pardon my engrish) >It is preferable that the patient does it him/herself. That way the patient >makes him/herself independent when it comes to healing. It also raises the >person's consciousness, wich is a key factor in getting well. You can assist >however. Now that is very well said. Using Creative visualization has proven itself in the healing world and in studies done with cancer patients the success rate was quite good. However as in all "systems" it did not succeed for all participents. The power of the mind is limited only by the creative ability of the self and it can be assisted with scripts that the individual finds appealing. Thank you for a explaining so well. Namaste' ShadowWolf ###### From: "gw" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:37:40 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1734 I don't know about the type of reiki you discuss, but I do believe that it's true that the client must accept full responsibility for his own healing. I won't deny anyone a chance at a reiki session, but I won't redo one I feel the client is not helping with. This does not include those sessions where the client simply may not be aware of the block, I would have this client return for a second session, at no charge, but I wouldn't repeat the second session if still no energy is taken by the client. gw "Rich" wrote in message news:3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net... > Hi everyone, > Have just completed this book and would like to hear from anyone who is > familiar with Wei Chi Tibetan Reiki, from a practical viewpoint. I am > particularly interested in the 'interview' with the client. 'The > practitioner will determine if the client takes full responsibility for > his/her condition. The client must also actively participate in the > healing process. If not, then no Reiki session.' If someone has some > real-life experiences with Wei Chi Reiki, and this hasn't been covered > in past postings, could you please share? Thanks. > Peace > Rich > http://www.weboflight.com/weichireiki.htm ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:55:32 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-256.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1728 On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:37:40 -0600, "gw" wrote: >I don't know about the type of reiki you discuss, but I do believe that it's >true that the client must accept full responsibility for his own healing. >I won't deny anyone a chance at a reiki session, but I won't redo one I feel >the client is not helping with. >This does not include those sessions where the client simply may not be >aware of the block, I would have this client return for a second session, at >no charge, but I wouldn't repeat the second session if still no energy is >taken by the client. >gw > I have no trouble identifying with where you are coming from on this. I believe the client must work with the Reiki-ist, at least by fully relaxing and dispelling any overt attitude of skepticism (at least for the duration of the session). Also, you are generous to re-do a session where a block seems apparent. Trouble is, I'm not sure any of us is aware of one of our blocks until: a) it is gone ("gee, I was blocked there -- didn't realize it at all") or, b) we are right up against it and it is finally obvious. There have been a few discussions of this sort of thing in the past. Questions like "are blocks always so completely unconscious that people cannot get a mental handle on them in order to 'do their part' in the healing process?", and "what, if any, is the value of positive thinking as an assist to Reiki, in physical healing?" It would be nice if there were simple answers. Sigh. Blessings, Joel ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3df88bad.566975@news.earthlink.net> References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 25 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:13:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.131.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1039698782 165.247.131.203 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:13:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:13:02 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.6.MISMATCH!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1730 On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:55:32 GMT, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >Trouble is, I'm not sure any of us is aware of one of our blocks >until: a) it is gone ("gee, I was blocked there -- didn't realize it >at all") or, b) we are right up against it and it is finally obvious. > >There have been a few discussions of this sort of thing in the past. >Questions like "are blocks always so completely unconscious that >people cannot get a mental handle on them in order to 'do their part' >in the healing process?", and "what, if any, is the value of positive >thinking as an assist to Reiki, in physical healing?" Joel, a good Reiki session can be instrumental in bringing awareness of the block to the person in the first place. I always try to go into a session without expectations of what the session is about and where it should lead. Just do Reiki and the rest takes care of itself. That may sound like a devil-may-care or even irresponsible attitude, but in my experience, it's just the opposite. namaste, Garry ###### Lines: 65 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Date: 12 Dec 2002 13:16:53 GMT References: <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Message-ID: <20021212081653.22348.00000002@mb-md.news.cs.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1732 >>I don't know about the type of reiki you discuss, but I do believe that it's >>true that the client must accept full responsibility for his own healing. The very first step in any healing is to accept that healing is needed. The second step is to participate in "some" means to begin the process. The beauty of Reiki is that it is non judgemental and that it effects "All" levels of the person simutanously. Healing can and does occur on some level in every case. It is not required that the receiver "believe" or that they do anything other than be available for the session which may be one minute or several hours of treatments. >>I won't deny anyone a chance at a reiki session, but I won't redo one I feel >>the client is not helping with. I am curious as to what it is you personally think a client is supposed to do in order for you to "Make a judgement" as to their worthness to receive additional treatment? >>This does not include those sessions where the client simply may not be >>aware of the block, I would have this client return for a second session, at >>no charge, but I wouldn't repeat the second session if still no energy is >>taken by the client. This is interesting also, are you saying that you can determine the amount of energy that the client receives? Are you saying that one session done by you should always produce a specific result, or a feeling within yourself? What I am trying to point out regarding "responcibility in healing" is that it is two fold, it lies within the receiver as well as the giver. There is no specific time frame for any individual to produce visual results from any healing session. It is "Ego" pure and simple that demands a visual result (visual result as in any form of seeing, sencing etc) . Your responcibility is to take that moment to share Spiritual Energy Life Force {S.E.L.F.} with another and to allow that energy to provide what is "Most Needed" in that moment. You may of course be utilizing other modalities at the same time as you are doing Reiki in which case you would be looking for a various other signs of both results and co-operation from the client. If that were the case than you should seperate the sessions before you make judgements on the client where reiki is concerned. The problem has been around a long time. The problem being that Reiki does enhance all other modalites and that has made it possible for certain people to attempt to change what Reiki is or make it appear to be part of something else. Reiki works because when we take a moment to reach out to touch another from a position of love and compassion we are not being judgemental. That is what seperates it from other simular modalities. It is Simple, let go and reiki, step out of the picture. No expectations equals no disapointments. Namaste' ShadowWolf http://www.mysticreiki.com ###### From: "margaret gamez" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> <3df88bad.566975@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <9rwK9.241242$gB.44848508@twister.nyc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:11:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.90.224.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1039831877 24.90.224.250 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:11:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:11:17 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1767 Nadie Niemand wrote in message news:3df88bad.566975@news.earthlink.net... > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:55:32 GMT, xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: > >There have been a few discussions of this sort of thing in the past. > >Questions like "are blocks always so completely unconscious that > >people cannot get a mental handle on them in order to 'do their part' > >in the healing process?", and "what, if any, is the value of positive > >thinking as an assist to Reiki, in physical healing?" In my own personal experience, which is, of course, my own personal experience, as I develop, as I grow, I become aware of things that are standing in my way, i.e. "blocks". Then I work towards dissolving the blocks, one way or another. There are different ways to getting to this point. As has been mentioned, Reiki can do it. If one does self-Reiki daily, eventually, these things "bubble up" and then, ideally, clear. If one has Reiki sessions with another Reiki practitioner, eventually these things "bubble up", and then, ideally, clear. On occasion, one works with a practitioner who tells one that one has a block here or there. This is one of the most difficult things, because, if one is not open, or if one is working subconsciously with that block, one might reject out of hand the suggestion. If one has other blocks, which work against whatever the practitioner is saying, one might reject the suggestion. "How dare he!" "Who does she think she is!" Essentially, blocks are there, and, at first, we may be unaware of them. As we progress, live, develop, we may become aware of them. Becoming aware of them allows us to progress along our path. There are many ways of becoming aware of them. Sometimes it happens spontaneously (I was at the kitchen table at 5am, enjoying a protein shake, when I suddenly realized X, which was making me behave in Y manner.) Sometimes we are doing some spiritual work and the issue comes up. Sometimes we are having some energy treatment, and the issue comes up. Then, sometimes, it is probably like a pimple and it is time for it to burst, and the it comes up. Once we become aware of the blockages, we can choose the manner in which we wish to work on them. Our choices are myriad. If we have learned Reiki, that is an excellent place to start, doing self-Reiki daily, simply as a general healing procedure. What needs to be healed will be (sooner or later) Blessings Margaret You must be the change you wish to see in the world. ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:36:16 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3dfa979b.4264379@news.netidea.com> References: <3DC340B7.A8503F0D@telusplanet.net> <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> <3df88bad.566975@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-435.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1758 On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:13:02 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: > >Joel, a good Reiki session can be instrumental in bringing awareness >of the block to the person in the first place. I always try to go into >a session without expectations of what the session is about and where >it should lead. Just do Reiki and the rest takes care of itself. That >may sound like a devil-may-care or even irresponsible attitude, but in >my experience, it's just the opposite. > No, I don't think it sounds devil-may-care or irresponsible. I do, though, feel that in the mind of the recipient/client, there is sometimes complete openness about what the session is about and sometimes a more goal-oriented attitude. If the blockage is more on the physical side, or if the recipient is talking to you as you give Reiki, then you may have more of a tendency to sense the blockage, even if the client has come into the session with a goal-oriented frame of mind. And sometimes, too, if you know the client pretty well as a person, you may have a strong intuitive sense about a blockage or "dark area" of the emotional self. Sometimes you get a flash of such intuition even if you hardly know him or her. Just some thoughts. :o) Blessings, Joel ###### From: xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:50:51 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3dfa997d.4746350@news.netidea.com> References: <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> <20021212081653.22348.00000002@mb-md.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-705.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1757 On 12 Dec 2002 13:16:53 GMT, shad940@cs.com (ShadowWolf ) wrote: Hi, Shadow Wolf I hope gw comes back to answer some of your points about her original post on this thread. But I did want to dialogue about something here. > >There is no specific time frame for any individual to produce visual results >from any healing session. >It is "Ego" pure and simple that demands a visual result (visual result as in >any form of seeing, sencing etc) . > Ego (our sense of self, our sense of self-esteem, etc) has a function and has both good and unfortunate manifestations. If a person wants to be "a great healer" (name in etheric neon), I feel that is probably an attempt to compensate for feeling worthless in some other area of the person's life -- which tends to produce unfortunate results. >Your responcibility is to take that moment to share Spiritual Energy Life Force >{S.E.L.F.} with another and to allow that energy to provide what is "Most >Needed" in that moment. > Yes, I agree. But I feel it is important to the development of a Reiki-ist to notice results -- not strain to look for them, but to notice them over time. This leads, in my opinion, to greater understanding and confidence as a Reiki person. To me, this is an innocent thing, not a bad thing. >You may of course be utilizing other modalities at the same time as you are >doing Reiki in which case you would be looking for a various other signs of >both results and co-operation from the client. RMs like Hiroshi Doi advise one to "be mindful" and one outcome of that is to notice what goes on in a session, I think. > >It is Simple, let go and reiki, step out of the picture. >No expectations equals no disapointments. > I think you are right -- you have to be absolutely right about how to perform a session. Otherwise, a person truly is in his/her own way. But noticing, learning, and becoming reasonably confident about the practice occur over time. I've met people who were attuned 15 or 20 years ago and basically gave up practicing Reiki because they did not see enough outcome -- maybe they just gave up too soon, because the pattern of results may take longer to really see. Namaste, Joel ###### From: marty1609@bolt.com (Marty) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Date: 16 Dec 2002 05:15:59 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 48 Message-ID: <485f8c37.0212160515.50104076@posting.google.com> References: <3df7eadb.84034194@news.netidea.com> <20021212081653.22348.00000002@mb-md.news.cs.com> <3dfa997d.4746350@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.15.10.185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1040044559 5443 127.0.0.1 (16 Dec 2002 13:15:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2002 13:15:59 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1791 Hallo Joel.... I've been wanting to mention for awhile the following 2 books: Rosalyn Bruyere/s "Wheels of Light" and David Frawley's "Ayurvedic Healing: A Comprehensive Guide" because they have a lot of information about the types of questions you are asking here recently. Rosalyn Bruyere has excellent information throughout about her own experientially-gained knowledge of energy healing. It would be cool to hear your reaction to her book. David Frawley's book is just as excellent. I always remember the translated sections of M. Usui's journals where he talks about all methods of healing being essentially gifts from the Healing or Medicine Buddha: massage; meditation; herbs etc. Reiki is not privileged in his discussion: all these thigns are honored by him. Here is a section from D. Frawley (p. 345) on some of the issues of helping a person heal her/himself. If you get really focused on the specifics of Reiki maybe it helps to step back and consider this (below). Well, hope this helps. peace-marty Frawley p. 345:(njote Frawley comes from an Ayurvedic tradition): "The healer's prana should awaken the prana of the patient and direct it towards healing. The rapport between the healer and the patient transmits prana and connects the patient with the will of the therapist. This is the power of counseling. A doctor with an awakened or spiritually energized prana can heal by touch alone. Sometimes the very presence of such a doctor is healing and soothing to the mind and prana of the patient and can work miracles." He talks a lot too about states of low energy causing disease or hindering healing. Also he talks about the Yogic concept of Ojas, or vitality, and also talks about factors that produce energy through the mind, including sensory perception. It is really a most excellent book. I feel both of the above would help with some of your questions about healing. xwoodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote in message > But noticing, learning, and becoming reasonably confident about the > practice occur over time. I've met people who were attuned 15 or 20 > years ago and basically gave up practicing Reiki because they did not > see enough outcome -- maybe they just gave up too soon, because the > pattern of results may take longer to really see. > > Namaste, > > Joel ###### From: "antonella1975fi" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: "Lost Steps of Reiki" Lines: 81 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 04:31:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.37.73.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net24.it X-Trace: twister1.libero.it 1042000286 151.37.73.115 (Wed, 08 Jan 2003 05:31:26 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 05:31:26 MET Organization: [Infostrada] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!twister1.libero.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:2303 Please what are the titles of Sonia's bos books in english? thanks Antonella "jan" ha scritto nel messaggio news:asbjbn$bnv$1@reader11.wxs.nl... > Dear curious ol wolf, > (pardon my engrish) > It is preferable that the patient does it him/herself. That way the patient > makes him/herself independent when it comes to healing. It also raises the > person's consciousness, wich is a key factor in getting well. You can assist > however. > > I got this information from one the many books written by Sonia. Sonia > dedicated her life to bringing the aquarian mysticism to the world. She does > this by channeling the source of life directly, without any helper spirits. > Unfortunately, all but 2 of her books are written in Dutch. > > The small english part of her website: > http://www.en.soniabos.nl/root/599/doc.stm?rootid=599 > > > As to did anyone try it? > Sorry, I only know 1 person with cancer. I didn't have the guts to step to > him and do it. So I cowardly send him a little white rose from my heart, > while laying in bed. He seems to be doing well, but there's no way I can > check if my little meditation had something to do with it. > > I did however transform a lot of my own karma using the white rose (and > other) symbols, and I definitely can feel the difference! > > Symbols for the individual life (hope I translated them right): > 1 The white rose. > 2 The crystalline diamond > 3 The white (chalice) lilly. > 4 The ark ( a boat) > > Symbols for the protection of life itself > 5 The grail > 6 The crystalline crown > 7 The crystalline lotus > 8 The white swan > > Symbols for the realization of life > 9 The golden sun (no flames) > 10 The white iris > 11 The double star (a five pointed star into a seven pointed star) > 12 The golden sun containing a white iris > 13 The blazing golden sun (with moving rays)<----wow! > > 14 The golden crown (activates your cosmic plan) > > Oh, oops! bedtime! > > > ShadowWolf schreef in berichtnieuws > 20021128205115.26094.00000323@mb-fi.news.cs.com... > > >From: "jan" rproost@planet.nl > > > > >Cancer is a root chakra desease. It develops when there is so much root > > >chakra karma that it disrupts the dna. > > > > > >Root chakra karma can be transformed (neutralized ) by visualizing a > white > > >rose on the affected area/problem.< > > > > Ok, So who needs to do the visualizing? > > The person with the cnce or the practitioner? > > > > Has anyone actually done this successfully? > > > > Curious ol wolf > > > > > > >