Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: oobe's - astral travel Lines: 12 Organization: www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.126.169.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1035518518 ST000 66.126.169.178 (Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:01:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:01:58 EDT X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OHVCRVPY]RJD]_\@VR]^@B@MCPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:01:58 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:875 Garry, I was wondering if you've looked into OOBE's (out of body experiences) any further? If I remember correctly it was you who posted something about it a few weeks back (may have been someone else, and I couldn't find it through my reader). For anyone and everyone who has experienced OOBE I'm curious to know how Reiki has affected that experience. -- Steven Buck, CMT ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3db92d81.860464@news.earthlink.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:50:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.156.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1035546620 165.247.156.244 (Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:50:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:50:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn11feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:903 On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:01:58 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote: >Garry, I was wondering if you've looked into OOBE's (out of body >experiences) any further? If I remember correctly it was you who posted >something about it a few weeks back (may have been someone else, and I >couldn't find it through my reader). > >For anyone and everyone who has experienced OOBE I'm curious to know how >Reiki has affected that experience. Steven, if memory serves (and it usually only serves to confuse me), I had posted something I came across in a news article and asked a few questions. But I haven't had time to look into much of anything of late due to too much work at the office. I keep having to remind myself that other people are getting laid off and would be happy to have any kind of a job, instead of thinking "woe is me!" for working 12 hour days and weekends to boot. I hope that doesn't come across as gloating or complaining! Just trying to state the facts. If you can suggest a website that I can bookmark for later, or maybe even a book on the subject, I would be interested to learn more. And a post or two on the subject from you would be even better--a bird in the hand and all that. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: "Stephan & Leanne" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3db92d81.860464@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:45:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.6.174.105 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1035553517 207.6.174.105 (Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:45:17 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:45:17 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:935 I have several books on the subject, the one I would recommend to read whether you have had these experiences for a while or just want to learn about are books written by Robert A. Monroe. Has a series of 3 books detailing the beginning of his experiences to near his death, the books are titled: - Journeys out of the body -Far Journeys -The Ultimate Journey What makes his book so interesting is that he actually have a lab where he monitors and induced different state of consciousness. There is a web site on his work and his institute unfortunately I don't have it handy but you can try a web search on the Monroe Institute, you will surely get there. I will go through my favorites and post the links later on today. I would really like to hear about some of you out there that had OBEs and like Steven said, what Reiki brought to these experiences. Stephan narsus@telus.net SCUBI_DOO@Yahoo.com http://ca.geocities.com/scubi_doo2001/photo.html "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message news:3db92d81.860464@news.earthlink.net... > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:01:58 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > wrote: > > >Garry, I was wondering if you've looked into OOBE's (out of body > >experiences) any further? If I remember correctly it was you who posted > >something about it a few weeks back (may have been someone else, and I > >couldn't find it through my reader). > > > >For anyone and everyone who has experienced OOBE I'm curious to know how > >Reiki has affected that experience. > > Steven, if memory serves (and it usually only serves to confuse me), I > had posted something I came across in a news article and asked a few > questions. But I haven't had time to look into much of anything of > late due to too much work at the office. I keep having to remind > myself that other people are getting laid off and would be happy to > have any kind of a job, instead of thinking "woe is me!" for working > 12 hour days and weekends to boot. I hope that doesn't come across as > gloating or complaining! Just trying to state the facts. > > If you can suggest a website that I can bookmark for later, or maybe > even a book on the subject, I would be interested to learn more. And a > post or two on the subject from you would be even better--a bird in > the hand and all that. > > Love and Light, > > Garry > > ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3db92d81.860464@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Lines: 120 Organization: www.metareiki.org X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.168.27.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1035565495 ST000 64.168.27.19 (Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:04:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:04:55 EDT X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_A\S@QBRLYHZOHOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:04:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:939 What's that Garry? You have to work for a living??? Ah, you poor thing! Monroe Institute: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ I think I read his book Journey's Out of the Body when I was a kid (not that I've grown up much). I don't remember it but it sounds familiar. When I tried to do Astral Travel or experience the OOBE (out of body experience - since Astral Travel seems to be a term now out dated) it was difficult for me to determine if the experience was real, or simply a very vivid/detailed lucid dream. One attempt failed and gave me a completely new experience altogether. My intent was to "check up" on a high school friend of mine to see what he was doing on our day off school. I relaxed, visualized my body of light extend above my physical body remaining attached by a silver cord, and then floated off to his house. He was outside working in the yard and that's when things instantly changed - all visual and physical stimuli disappeared and it seemed as if we completely merged completely sharing all life experiences, instantly. I didn't know what to make of it, and that didn't happen again until much later when I moved to San Francisco. One time in Los Angeles I had met someone over a BBS (Bulletin Board System) who lived in San Francisco. We had exchanged a few e-mails, chatted a few times, and decided I would try to see if I could astral project to his home. I did, and described it in relative accurate detail. That was a valid experience only because I described some place I had never been, and someone was actually able to verify the accuracy. For one reason or another I lost interest in it shortly after that experience. Looking back with hindsight it's probably because my healing gifts were stronger and I chose to focus on that aspect rather than something that was only a mild trait and required a lot of effort. Sometimes I wonder if, during a Reiki Treatment, I'm not experiencing some level of OOBE. During one treatment everything around me seemed to disappear and I was in a house, just floating on the upper level where there was a hallway that lead to a stairs. Along the hallway was a very young girl of about 3 or 4 years old riding a tricycle... directly to the stairs. Down the stairs she went, and then I was back in my body completely aware of the treatment, and moved my hands to the next position on the lady being treated. I shared my experience with her after the treatment, and she said that incident happened to her. And now I must "pull a Garry" and go to work (sigh). -- Steven Buck, CMT "Stephan & Leanne" wrote in message news:NVbu9.40220$Sk6.3792649@news1.telusplanet.net... > I have several books on the subject, the one I would recommend to read > whether you have had these experiences for a while or just want to learn > about are books written by Robert A. Monroe. Has a series of 3 books > detailing the beginning of his experiences to near his death, the books are > titled: > > - Journeys out of the body > -Far Journeys > -The Ultimate Journey > > What makes his book so interesting is that he actually have a lab where he > monitors and induced different state of consciousness. There is a web site > on his work and his institute unfortunately I don't have it handy but you > can try a web search on the Monroe Institute, you will surely get there. I > will go through my favorites and post the links later on today. > > I would really like to hear about some of you out there that had OBEs and > like Steven said, what Reiki brought to these experiences. > > > Stephan > > > narsus@telus.net > SCUBI_DOO@Yahoo.com > http://ca.geocities.com/scubi_doo2001/photo.html > "Nadie Niemand" wrote in message > news:3db92d81.860464@news.earthlink.net... > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:01:58 GMT, "Steven Buck, CMT" > > wrote: > > > > >Garry, I was wondering if you've looked into OOBE's (out of body > > >experiences) any further? If I remember correctly it was you who posted > > >something about it a few weeks back (may have been someone else, and I > > >couldn't find it through my reader). > > > > > >For anyone and everyone who has experienced OOBE I'm curious to know how > > >Reiki has affected that experience. > > > > Steven, if memory serves (and it usually only serves to confuse me), I > > had posted something I came across in a news article and asked a few > > questions. But I haven't had time to look into much of anything of > > late due to too much work at the office. I keep having to remind > > myself that other people are getting laid off and would be happy to > > have any kind of a job, instead of thinking "woe is me!" for working > > 12 hour days and weekends to boot. I hope that doesn't come across as > > gloating or complaining! Just trying to state the facts. > > > > If you can suggest a website that I can bookmark for later, or maybe > > even a book on the subject, I would be interested to learn more. And a > > post or two on the subject from you would be even better--a bird in > > the hand and all that. > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Garry > > > > > > ###### Reply-To: "Vanessa" From: "Vanessa" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:41:53 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.138.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1035690201 216.209.138.121 (Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:43:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:43:21 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:999 I read a book a couple of years ago called A farther shore by a Canadian. It has true experiences, advice and investigations into OOBE, NDEs, Kundalini. Blessed Be, Vanessa "Steven Buck, CMT" wrote in message news:Wm3u9.750$Ol4.44833988@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > Garry, I was wondering if you've looked into OOBE's (out of body > experiences) any further? If I remember correctly it was you who posted > something about it a few weeks back (may have been someone else, and I > couldn't find it through my reader). > > For anyone and everyone who has experienced OOBE I'm curious to know how > Reiki has affected that experience. > > -- > Steven Buck, CMT > > ###### From: "omega monk" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <5env9.3758$Oy3.204@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.157.198.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr19.news.prodigy.com 1035862017 ST000 64.157.198.201 (Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:26:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:26:57 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: OPZIR\[ETZWMBTH]^ROZOTPARBZZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:26:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!afa4ec09!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1037 Another excellent book on the subject of oobe's is the book Astral Dynamics by Australian author, Robrt Bruce. He deals with the energetic aspects of projection and has very intriguing theories about the nature and different aspects or levels of projection. I started to practice the techniques with some positive results, but then was distracted by life. My most fruitful projection attempts came before any of my reiki training. As reiki is primarily used for healing, I don't think one could use reiki to "push" themselves oob, or what have you, but I think it is very possible that as one clears the blockages from their energy channels through the healing process that projection becomes easier. My guess is that experience in meditation is the strongest influence on projection ability, because it takes a lot of "letting go" ability, along with relaxation, to project. On the other hand, some people just aren't supposed to be able to at this time. I have never actually projected, only come extremely close to projecting; the feeling was as if there was an earthquake focused on my body, a change in my astral body's vibrational levels I suppose. Seriously, I've read quite a fair share of oobe books, including all of Monroe's, and Astral Dynamics is a very different book, with theories that I'd never heard of before but they felt so right. Anyway, Good Luck may the rei be with you, >mike ###### From: petri.filipczak@tietoenator.com (filipcza) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Date: 30 Oct 2002 05:17:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <18321916.0210300517.6956f253@posting.google.com> References: <5env9.3758$Oy3.204@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.197.79.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035983875 19400 127.0.0.1 (30 Oct 2002 13:17:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2002 13:17:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1055 You could say that I'm a fan of Robert. He really is a pioneer in the field of astral travel, because he takes a scientific approach to it. Even though he has done it all his life, he never seems to take anything for it's face value, insteadt he experiments and makes conclusions based on them. He has really different outlook on things paranormal than what most of us has read before. For instance his latest book is about psychic self defence, and I'm sure you have heard that "imagining a white light around you" or other similar techniques could protect you, but according to Robert they often don't. That's just one of the hard facts of life that Robert has come to understant as he has worked with demonic possession, and when he himself has been attacked by negative entities. Here's an example of what might repel an attached spirit(according to Robert): crossing running water. Running water seems to produce somekind of energy field which spirits have hard time to cross. So you could take a garden hose, make a loop of it and stand in the centre while water is running through it, or just jump over the hose, often leaving the spirit on the other side. -Pete ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: oobe's - astral travel Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3dc0805d.975474@news.earthlink.net> References: <5env9.3758$Oy3.204@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> <18321916.0210300517.6956f253@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 51 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:05:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.153.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1036026305 165.247.153.232 (Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:05:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:05:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:1069 Um, sounds good in theory, except, I don't think spirits, if there are such, are worried about little things like distance. Even if they had a material existance that was impeded by a garden hose, how hard would it be to slip around the end of the hose, or go over or under at a distance where the running water effect wears off, and then right back to business? What if it's intent that works? Then intending that the garden hose trick is the only thing that works is what will work for that individual, whereas intending that surrounding oneself with white light is what will work for another, while for yet a 3rd person, only hopping on one leg while simultaneously patting their head, rubbing their tummy and whistling "Pop Goes the Weasel" is the only thing that will work. All three could "scientifically" demonstrate that only their own method works, while all other methods are mere poppycock, as long as each of them is their only test subject. Of course, all of this speculation presumes that spirits exist and are capable of interacting with the material world and material beings. Just trying to think scientifically about it. :-) Love and Light, Garry On 30 Oct 2002 05:17:55 -0800, petri.filipczak@tietoenator.com (filipcza) wrote: >You could say that I'm a fan of Robert. He really is a pioneer in the >field of astral travel, because he takes a scientific approach to it. >Even though he has done it all his life, he never seems to take >anything for it's face value, insteadt he experiments and makes >conclusions based on them. He has really different outlook on things >paranormal than what most of us has read before. > >For instance his latest book is about psychic self defence, and I'm >sure you have heard that "imagining a white light around you" or other >similar techniques could protect you, but according to Robert they >often don't. That's just one of the hard facts of life that Robert has >come to understant as he has worked with demonic possession, and when >he himself has been attacked by negative entities. Here's an example >of what might repel an attached spirit(according to Robert): crossing >running water. Running water seems to produce somekind of energy field >which spirits have hard time to cross. So you could take a garden >hose, make a loop of it and stand in the centre while water is running >through it, or just jump over the hose, often leaving the spirit on >the other side. > >-Pete