From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:53:29 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-627.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:461 A while back, Garry wrote about > My 2nd degree teacher ("Traditional" Usui Shiki Ryoho) only used > one CKR for all situations and said that intent was what was > important and claimed that she visualized red light to burn out > the cancer, whereas green light would cause it to grow. Sounds > like she's borrowing techniques from some other modalities. I have since then reflected a bit about this red light. Then I thought of something Hiroshi Doi-sensei says about Usui in the book Modern Reiki Method for Healing. Doi is one of the people who has tried to put together an accurate picture of what Usui did -- how he searched, the nature of his satori experience, what healing and other methods Usui studied, what he taught his students. He's been in a pretty good position to do the research because he is Japanese and therefore understands the language and culture, and he has made a point of meeting numerous people who practice in the Japanese lineages that descend from Usui. Doi mentions that Usui studied "the art of curse." Which makes me wonder with the "red light" Garry refers to is a form of this art: a curse on the cancer cells and their growth. In which case, this approach may not be another modality, but may be part of what Usui himself did. I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? We put out some tentative answers to this, but I also wonder if there is a way to be more effective in using Reiki in relation to cancers or infections. Comments? Blessings, Joel ###### From: "peterr" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:31:20 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3da25e33$0$18845@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.39.73.93 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1034051123 18845 196.39.73.93 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.online.be!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:494 "Joel" wrote in message news:3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com... > > I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks > back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), > not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? It is because Reiki favours the more evolved organism, the one with the higher intelligence, the more complex organism, over the "lower" life forms. Don't most of us do the same? We have now problem eating plants, some have a reluctance towards eating animals, but with a few exceptions, we all steer clear from eating other humans. -- Namu Amida Butsu Peter Reber "Life knows its needs" ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 53 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 01:08:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.137.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1034039316 165.247.137.170 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:08:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:08:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:510 On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:53:29 GMT, woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks >back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), >not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? We put out some >tentative answers to this, but I also wonder if there is a way to be >more effective in using Reiki in relation to cancers or infections. Joel, you set me to pondering again, and I just had a thought based on a physical interpretation of Reiki (rather than a spiritual one). If Reiki and other energetic healing is just the electric and magnetic fields put out by the human body, maybe what's happening is that the fields we are generating are great for normal human cells, but inimical to disease organisms, just by virtue of the particular frequencies we generate. I've seen studies mentioned that suggest that the frequencies that our standard house current operates at actually encourages cancer cells to grow. Don't know that those studies were definitive, of course. But just like every organism has its preferred temperature range, maybe every organism also has its preferred electrical and magnetic frequency range. This is certainly true of human tissues, nerve cells for instance, growing faster at an entirely different frequency than the one that makes bone cells grow faster. But all of the frequencies that our various body tissues prefer are within the range of the overall background frequencies of the earth's magnetic and electric fields. Which seems only natural since we evolved within that environment. Of course, so did the bacteria and such, but *they* can't generate electromagnetic fields like we can (although I seem to recall one or two exceptions). So maybe we just make our own cells more effective with the Reiki, which allows them to do their job better, thus taking care of the invading organism, which either isn't sensitive to the energy, or else doesn't like our particular frequencies. Just speculation, of course, and it would be a much better speculation, I'm sure, if we could all be sitting around a table together down at the pub to discuss it over a few pitchers, but c'est la vie. Speaking of frequencies, Dean Evenson records the "Earth Resonance Frequency" in many of his works. Two that I particularly enjoy are "The Tao of Healing" and "The Tao of Peace" (Dean teamed up with Li Xiangting for these two). Don't know if there's anything to this earth resonance frequency thing, but I really seem to be able to relax and perform better while listening to this music for meditation, doing Reiki, or playing taiji than with most other music. Could be all in my head, but then, so could everything else. ;-) Love and Light, Garry ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:19:02 -0700 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-65.imbris.com (216.18.141.65) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034040061 18248784 216.18.141.65 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-65.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:526 Nadie Niemand wrote: > Joel, you set me to pondering again, and I just had a thought based on > a physical interpretation of Reiki (rather than a spiritual one). If > Reiki and other energetic healing is just the electric and magnetic > fields put out by the human body, maybe what's happening is that the > fields we are generating are great for normal human cells, but > inimical to disease organisms, just by virtue of the particular > frequencies we generate. I've seen studies mentioned that suggest that > the frequencies that our standard house current operates at actually > encourages cancer cells to grow. Don't know that those studies were > definitive, of course. But just like every organism has its preferred > temperature range, maybe every organism also has its preferred > electrical and magnetic frequency range. This is certainly true of > human tissues, nerve cells for instance, growing faster at an entirely > different frequency than the one that makes bone cells grow faster. > But all of the frequencies that our various body tissues prefer are > within the range of the overall background frequencies of the earth's > magnetic and electric fields. Which seems only natural since we > evolved within that environment. Of course, so did the bacteria and > such, but *they* can't generate electromagnetic fields like we can > (although I seem to recall one or two exceptions). So maybe we just > make our own cells more effective with the Reiki, which allows them to > do their job better, thus taking care of the invading organism, which > either isn't sensitive to the energy, or else doesn't like our > particular frequencies. > > Just speculation, of course, and it would be a much better > speculation, I'm sure, if we could all be sitting around a table > together down at the pub to discuss it over a few pitchers, but c'est > la vie. Not so much speculation.... Royal Raymond Rife hit upon this idea while experimenting with his electron microscope in the 1920s. He found that particular radio frequencies either encouraged growth in or killed various organisms - viruses, bacterias, healthy cells, cancer cells, etc. There are many people now who use his theory in building electro-magnetic frequency generators and are `curing' cancer and other diseases. (Shhh, don't tell the FDA, they'll come and shut down these practioners....) namaste, sue namaste, sue ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Lines: 7 Organization: www.metareiki.org & www.ripeboys.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.165.200.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1034046374 ST000 64.165.200.250 (Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:06:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:06:14 EDT X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDONTBTQBUD[HBCBNWX@RJ_XPDLMN@GZ_GYO^BVNDQUBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:06:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!207.115.63.138!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:488 On the use of frequency generators to cure cancer: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html -- Steven Buck, CMT ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:31:32 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3da24fd7.24640311@news.netidea.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-861.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:505 On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 01:08:36 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:53:29 GMT, woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: > > > >>I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks >>back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), >>not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? We put out some >>tentative answers to this, but I also wonder if there is a way to be >>more effective in using Reiki in relation to cancers or infections. > >Joel, you set me to pondering again, and I just had a thought based on >a physical interpretation of Reiki (rather than a spiritual one). If >Reiki and other energetic healing is just the electric and magnetic >fields put out by the human body, maybe what's happening is that the >fields we are generating are great for normal human cells, but >inimical to disease organisms, just by virtue of the particular >frequencies we generate. I've seen studies mentioned that suggest that >the frequencies that our standard house current operates at actually >encourages cancer cells to grow. Don't know that those studies were >definitive, of course. But just like every organism has its preferred >temperature range, maybe every organism also has its preferred >electrical and magnetic frequency range. Well, could be. So how do we explain that we are not just talking about the welfare of the human organism? Remember, some people have remarkable stories about their success with animals or plants. A horse is a different organism from a human, is different again from a rhododendrun. You could be healing your friend Ralph or Julie-Ann in the morning, and Ol' Dobbin in the afternoon. So (assuming people are not simply specialists in some particular sort of organism they can heal), it again must be a matter of intent. > >Just speculation, of course, and it would be a much better >speculation, I'm sure, if we could all be sitting around a table >together down at the pub to discuss it over a few pitchers, but c'est >la vie. > I know what you mean. J. >Speaking of frequencies, Dean Evenson records the "Earth Resonance >Frequency" in many of his works. Two that I particularly enjoy are >"The Tao of Healing" and "The Tao of Peace" (Dean teamed up with Li >Xiangting for these two). Don't know if there's anything to this earth >resonance frequency thing, but I really seem to be able to relax and >perform better while listening to this music for meditation, doing >Reiki, or playing taiji than with most other music. Could be all in my >head, but then, so could everything else. ;-) > >Love and Light, > >Garry > ###### From: Chacal Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:58:21 +0100 Organization: changelater Lines: 27 Sender: Ted Message-ID: References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.137.50.121 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1034063942 6602 62.137.50.121 (8 Oct 2002 07:59:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 2002 07:59:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!charted.freeserve.co.uk!ted Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:520 > > >I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks >back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), >not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? Joel, Maybe Reiki is selective and tends to heal "order" and not "disorder". If Reiki is universal energy, it seems to me that there is a tendency in the universe towards order rather than disorder IMO.. (Sorry if someone already mentioned this in your previous thread. I don't always have the chance to read all the posts.. :) Chacal >We put out some >tentative answers to this, but I also wonder if there is a way to be >more effective in using Reiki in relation to cancers or infections. > >Comments? > >Blessings, > >Joel > ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3da2b9b6.1255713@news.earthlink.net> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da25e33$0$18845@hades.is.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:55:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1034074549 165.247.136.58 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:55:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:55:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:512 On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:31:20 +0200, "peterr" wrote: >towards eating animals, but with a few exceptions, >we all steer clear from eating other humans. That's only because, generally speaking, they're either way too fatty, or else tough and stringy. It's hard to find quality, farm-raised humans at your local grocers. Oh, yeah, another thing. Humans tend to be more high maintainance and make too much trouble when confined, especially when they know they're going to wind up on the dinner table. There are other animals that are much more domesticable. Food for thought. Garry ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3da2bb26.1624185@news.earthlink.net> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3da24fd7.24640311@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:02:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.136.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1034074961 165.247.136.58 (Tue, 08 Oct 2002 04:02:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 04:02:41 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:511 On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:31:32 GMT, woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >Well, could be. So how do we explain that we are not just talking >about the welfare of the human organism? Remember, some people have >remarkable stories about their success with animals or plants. A >horse is a different organism from a human, is different again from a >rhododendrun. You could be healing your friend Ralph or Julie-Ann in >the morning, and Ol' Dobbin in the afternoon. So (assuming people are >not simply specialists in some particular sort of organism they can >heal), it again must be a matter of intent. Not necessarily. Ol' Dobbin has the same general blueprint as us two-legged folk, and I would extend that generally speaking at least to all mammals. Anyone tried Reiki on reptiles, fish, insects or arachnids? According to intent theory, it should work, but does it? And if it does, maybe that means they're close enough to our design to benefit from the same or similar frequencies. As for the rhodie, lawsie-me! that's a stumper. I'll give it another think. Bright Blessings, Garry ###### Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:18:17 +0200 From: Theo <"> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.186.217.159 Message-ID: <3da2ccc4$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1034079428 195.186.217.159 (8 Oct 2002 14:17:08 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Lines: 61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:500 Hi Joel Joel wrote: > A while back, Garry wrote about > SNIP< > Doi mentions that Usui studied "the art of curse." Which makes me > wonder with the "red light" Garry refers to is a form of this art: a > curse on the cancer cells and their growth. In which case, this > approach may not be another modality, but may be part of what Usui > himself did. I am trying also since longtime to find yout the colors and energies related red is for curing green is for calmess yellow is for energy and blue ..is the problem , I read if you cover with read cloth a part to heal it works faster , so well for sore throat for people with depleted energies should were green as night pijama and gold yellow during the day.. but blue.. I sow once in an hospital a strong blue light coming out from a window and inquired and I was was told it was sterilizing .. in another articlo I read that one should bath alternatively in red and after in blue liught to keep the body cells healthy ..In Germany they use actuall a laser pen that sends a choosen color on acupuncture points .. maybe teh whole answer is there but unfortunately colors qualities sometimes change from one culture into another > > > I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks > back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), > not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? This is what I was thinking also as it is not a killer energy .. it would help the ill person as well as his... illness if it is a virus or bacteria.. but Reiki is said to be * intelligent* probably will rise the body defenses to react at the invaders viruses as also respectful of life .. > We put out some > tentative answers to this, but I also wonder if there is a way to be > more effective in using Reiki in relation to cancers or infections. have a healthy life even after, good simple food a good inner feeling relativize the problem be trustful ,try to laugh as much as one can ... and be marry also easier to say than to apply but I guess it is also a part of the therapy.. > > > Comments? > well I think I gave some ..I hope can help Bright Blessings Theo ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:11:38 -0700 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3DA2E79A.2A8D@nidlink.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-209.imbris.com (216.18.141.209) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034086416 17739369 216.18.141.209 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-209.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:487 Steven Buck, CMT wrote: > > On the use of frequency generators to cure cancer: > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html Hulda Clark's device isn't quite what I meant by a frequency generator. And quackwatch is not a site for verifying the effectiveness of alternate therapies. Have you seen what he wrote about reiki? namaste, sue ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:21:14 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3da30255.30439596@news.netidea.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3da24fd7.24640311@news.netidea.com> <3da2bb26.1624185@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-425.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:502 On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:02:41 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:31:32 GMT, woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: > > >Not necessarily. Ol' Dobbin has the same general blueprint as us >two-legged folk, and I would extend that generally speaking at least >to all mammals. Anyone tried Reiki on reptiles, fish, insects or >arachnids? According to intent theory, it should work, but does it? >And if it does, maybe that means they're close enough to our design to >benefit from the same or similar frequencies. As for the rhodie, >lawsie-me! that's a stumper. I'll give it another think. > Well, some people report that Reiki has fixed their fridge or clothes drier! I dunno. I do know my houseplants look better than they did before I got attuned, and I generally don't do much for them except think nicely of them (which may carry some Reiki intent, y'know). This is where abundant reports of healins and fixins here on the ahr would be good. (I know we get some from time to time.) But what I think would be good about it would be what we'd learn that might be applicable to our individual practice of Reiki. Because we are each and all experimenting with Reiki, but knowing more of the collective experience would help us (I think) to direct our own experiments with it in certain ways -- faster learning, I feel. I mean, after 27 months, I'm still a neophyte really. Some people just go out and buy every Reiki book that gets published, but where I live you don't generally run across them. Some people feel it's all a matter of 'give the Reiki and forget about it' (which is viewed as a form of non-interference and non-attachment). Okay, I see the point. But OTOH, one cannot overstress how much most forms of learning benefit from feedback. Even forms as "intangible" as meditation. My humble thoughts. Joel ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:08:45 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-476.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:501 On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:58:21 +0100, Chacal wrote: >> >>I wonder, too, if it is all related to my question of a couple weeks >>back: why does Reiki favor the host organism (the person or animal), >>not the infecting agent (virus, bacterium, fungus)? > >Joel, Maybe Reiki is selective and tends to heal "order" and not >"disorder". If Reiki is universal energy, it seems to me that there is a >tendency in the universe towards order rather than disorder IMO. But there is definitely an order by which bacteria, fungi, yeasts, and viruses operate. And it is an order essential to them, and goes back millions of years in time. If they had found no host organisms to live, grow, and reproduce in (such as animals or other human beings), they would simply have died out and no longer exist. They require an environment in which they can live and reproduce and if they infect you or me, then they are using your or my body as that environment. If Reiki rids us of these infecting agents (or significantly reduces their numbers in our bodies), it would seem to be either by strengthening our body's recuperative powers, or by directly reducing the numbers of infection cells ("killing" them), or both. If and when it works in this way, Reiki must be choosing to strengthen us at the expense of the infective populations. Blessings, Joel . >(Sorry if someone already mentioned this in your previous thread. I >don't always have the chance to read all the posts.. :) > >Chacal > > >>We put out some >>tentative answers to this, but I also wonder if there is a way to be >>more effective in using Reiki in relation to cancers or infections. >> >>Comments? >> >>Blessings, >> >>Joel >> > ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:09:55 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3da31f3e.3560361@news.netidea.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> <3DA2E79A.2A8D@nidlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-523.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:503 On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:11:38 -0700, suzee wrote: >Steven Buck, CMT wrote: >> >> On the use of frequency generators to cure cancer: >> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html > >Hulda Clark's device isn't quite what I meant by a frequency generator. >And quackwatch is not a site for verifying the effectiveness of >alternate therapies. Have you seen what he wrote about reiki? > >namaste, sue What about what Doi-sensei calls "the art of curse"? ;-) Namaste, Joel ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:13 +0100 (BST) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.44) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034104397 18917772 80.2.124.44 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:516 (Joel) wrote: > If they had found no host organisms to > live, grow, and reproduce in (such as animals or other human beings), > they would simply have died out and no longer exist. They require an > environment in which they can live and reproduce and if they infect > you or me, then they are using your or my body as that environment. Don't forget the symbiotic relationship ... we need them as much as they need us ... http://www.ifr.bbsrc.ac.uk/public/FoodInfoSheets/EDPNisin.html Stuart SPMB (Society for the Protection of Maligned Bacterium) Don't know why ... I've got a streaming cold ... :| ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:55:10 -0700 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3DA3624E.4FFD@nidlink.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> <3DA2E79A.2A8D@nidlink.com> <3da31f3e.3560361@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-18.imbris.com (216.18.141.18) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034117830 18564961 216.18.141.18 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-18.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:529 Joel wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:11:38 -0700, suzee wrote: > > >Steven Buck, CMT wrote: > >> > >> On the use of frequency generators to cure cancer: > >> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html > > > >Hulda Clark's device isn't quite what I meant by a frequency generator. > >And quackwatch is not a site for verifying the effectiveness of > >alternate therapies. Have you seen what he wrote about reiki? > > > >namaste, sue > > What about what Doi-sensei calls "the art of curse"? ;-) I haven't read what he said about it... I know you mentioned in a post yesterday, but don't recall the context. namaste, sue ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:27:58 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3da3692b.4246757@news.netidea.com> References: <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-237.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:536 On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:13 +0100 (BST), stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) wrote: > (Joel) wrote: > >> If they had found no host organisms to >> live, grow, and reproduce in (such as animals or other human beings), >> they would simply have died out and no longer exist. They require an >> environment in which they can live and reproduce and if they infect >> you or me, then they are using your or my body as that environment. > >Don't forget the symbiotic relationship ... we need them as much as they >need us ... > >Stuart SPMB >(Society for the Protection of Maligned Bacterium) > >Don't know why ... I've got a streaming cold ... :| > LOL! Well, then you are a very tolerant man ("we need them as much as they need us ..."). Drip, drip. Too bad, right after the birthday and all. Indeed, with your stated wisdom, you're obviously a shining example of "Just for today, don't grieve." Joel ###### Reply-To: "Steven Buck, CMT" From: "Steven Buck, CMT" Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> <3DA2E79A.2A8D@nidlink.com> Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Lines: 21 Organization: www.metareiki.org & www.ripeboys.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.168.25.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com 1034139315 ST000 64.168.25.112 (Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:55:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:55:15 EDT X-UserInfo1: FKPO@MC@@S@QBRLYHZOHOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 04:55:15 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!207.115.63.138!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9eb22389!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:554 The site has a lot of references to Reiki, and seems to indicate that the claims of its practitioners are stronger than its actual results. -- Steven Buck, CMT "suzee" wrote in message news:3DA2E79A.2A8D@nidlink.com... > Steven Buck, CMT wrote: > > > > On the use of frequency generators to cure cancer: > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html > > Hulda Clark's device isn't quite what I meant by a frequency generator. > And quackwatch is not a site for verifying the effectiveness of > alternate therapies. Have you seen what he wrote about reiki? > > namaste, sue ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:53 +0100 (BST) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3da3692b.4246757@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.44) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034204002 19767103 80.2.124.44 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:590 (Joel) wrote: > >Don't forget the symbiotic relationship ... > > > >Don't know why ... I've got a streaming cold ... :| > > LOL! Well, then you are a very tolerant man No ... determined ... I will not let it happen .. certain medicaments and unguents and self-Reiki have transpired to make me bouncy from early this morning .. Do Self-Treats ... :) Stuart ###### From: suzee Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:32:16 -0700 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3DA4F4C0.3449@nidlink.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da22c6d.3054504@news.earthlink.net> <3DA23286.6CA9@nidlink.com> <3DA2E79A.2A8D@nidlink.com> Reply-To: qiuser@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sandpoint-142.imbris.com (216.18.141.142) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034220805 19756614 216.18.141.142 (16 [130985]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!sandpoint-142.imbris.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:598 Steven Buck, CMT wrote: > > The site has a lot of references to Reiki, and seems to indicate that the > claims of its practitioners are stronger than its actual results. Doesn't prove (or disprove) a thing. That can be said of a lot of healing techniques... ;) namaste, sue ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:34:08 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.09.f3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 10 Oct 2002 03:34:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!oleane.net!oleane!easynet-quince!easynet.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:584 >But there is definitely an order by which bacteria, fungi, yeasts, and >viruses operate. And it is an order essential to them, and goes back >millions of years in time. If they had found no host organisms to >live, grow, and reproduce in (such as animals or other human beings), >they would simply have died out and no longer exist. They require an >environment in which they can live and reproduce and if they infect >you or me, then they are using your or my body as that environment. > >If Reiki rids us of these infecting agents (or significantly reduces >their numbers in our bodies), it would seem to be either by >strengthening our body's recuperative powers, or by directly reducing >the numbers of infection cells ("killing" them), or both. > >If and when it works in this way, Reiki must be choosing to strengthen >us at the expense of the infective populations. > Or is it more like we as humans have more mass, more materials to work with and in a contest between the human body and bacteria, etc. the human usually wins. If the bacteria are strong enough, or replicate quickly enough to overmatch our immune system, we die, but if our immune system has (or can produce) more units to move into "action" it wins. Love and Light Merv ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:40 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-038.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:571 On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:34:08 -0700, Merv wrote: >> >>If Reiki rids us of these infecting agents (or significantly reduces >>their numbers in our bodies), it would seem to be either by >>strengthening our body's recuperative powers, or by directly reducing >>the numbers of infection cells ("killing" them), or both. >> >>If and when it works in this way, Reiki must be choosing to strengthen >>us at the expense of the infective populations. >> > >Or is it more like we as humans have more mass, more materials to work >with and in a contest between the human body and bacteria, etc. the >human usually wins. > >If the bacteria are strong enough, or replicate quickly enough to >overmatch our immune system, we die, but if our immune system has (or >can produce) more units to move into "action" it wins. > >Love and Light >Merv First of all, it's not that I think I am right on this. I'm just batting an idea around with everyone here -- it's ine of the ways I learn. In that spirit: Let's say you have an infection. Your body mass is much greater than that of all the bacteria involved combined -- much greater. Yet they are causing distressing symptoms in your body, because it is the power of bacterial infections (no matter how little mass the bacteria actually do have) to cause serious infection. Now Reiki is given (by self, or another). If its action (the action of lifeforce energy) were roughly equal on both your own body and on the bacterial population, it would seem the infection would remain at about the same level. But if your body gets well, then something has tipped the balance in favour of your body. Reiki? Blessings, Joel ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3da61b6c.596898@news.earthlink.net> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 46 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:31:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.149.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1034296269 165.247.149.125 (Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:31:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:31:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.86.7.162!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:622 On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:40 GMT, woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >First of all, it's not that I think I am right on this. I'm just >batting an idea around with everyone here -- it's ine of the ways I >learn. And we thank you for it, since it helps us learn, too! :-) >In that spirit: Let's say you have an infection. Your body mass is >much greater than that of all the bacteria involved combined -- much >greater. Yet they are causing distressing symptoms in your body, >because it is the power of bacterial infections (no matter how little >mass the bacteria actually do have) to cause serious infection. keep all that in mind... >Now Reiki is given (by self, or another). If its action (the action >of lifeforce energy) were roughly equal on both your own body and on >the bacterial population, it would seem the infection would remain at >about the same level. But if your body gets well, then something has >tipped the balance in favour of your body. Reiki? You seem to be thinking that no matter what, additional Reiki will always provide additional benefit. But doesn't Reiki just restore balance to an organism? If so, the bacteria, even without the Reiki, at the height of their infecting hayday, are already well in balance, doing what they do naturally. Reiki won't help them function any better because they're already doing their thing at maximal capacity. OTOH, the human organism in which they are residing is currently functioning at less than optimal capacity, thanks to the success of the infection. So, although the Reiki is being applied to both, it's really only going to help one of the organisms, at least on a physical level (maybe on a mental level it's helping the bacteria deal with their guilt over having to inflict so much discomfort on their host in order to survive ). Does that make sense? Love and Light, Garry >Blessings, > >Joel ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:04:45 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.28.99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 11 Oct 2002 01:05:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:640 On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:40 GMT, woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) wrote: >On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:34:08 -0700, Merv wrote: > >>> >>>If Reiki rids us of these infecting agents (or significantly reduces >>>their numbers in our bodies), it would seem to be either by >>>strengthening our body's recuperative powers, or by directly reducing >>>the numbers of infection cells ("killing" them), or both. >>> >>>If and when it works in this way, Reiki must be choosing to strengthen >>>us at the expense of the infective populations. >>> >> >>Or is it more like we as humans have more mass, more materials to work >>with and in a contest between the human body and bacteria, etc. the >>human usually wins. >> >>If the bacteria are strong enough, or replicate quickly enough to >>overmatch our immune system, we die, but if our immune system has (or >>can produce) more units to move into "action" it wins. >> >>Love and Light >>Merv > >First of all, it's not that I think I am right on this. I'm just >batting an idea around with everyone here -- it's ine of the ways I >learn. > >In that spirit: Let's say you have an infection. Your body mass is >much greater than that of all the bacteria involved combined -- much >greater. Yet they are causing distressing symptoms in your body, >because it is the power of bacterial infections (no matter how little >mass the bacteria actually do have) to cause serious infection. > >Now Reiki is given (by self, or another). If its action (the action >of lifeforce energy) were roughly equal on both your own body and on >the bacterial population, it would seem the infection would remain at >about the same level. But if your body gets well, then something has >tipped the balance in favour of your body. Reiki? > >Blessings, > >Joel I saw that too. It seemed though that in adding energy to both systems proportionally, that the expotentially larger would get expotentially more and eventually win over the bacteria. I don't see how I could be completely right in anything I say :) :) :) And I love batting things like this around. My background says "Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS)". So I tend to look for the simplist way for something to happen. and simple I believe in this case says to keep the amount of suggested intelligence down. If I could formulate as simple a system for this as water running down hill that would be great :) I can work with your idea and say that you wont heal unless you wish to heal and therefore make intent (the applicatoin of Reiki energy would be intentional) the deciding factor. That adds a factor of intelligence that I'd like to work out of the equation, but I still use Reiki :) :) :) Take Care Merv ###### From: woodvine@netidea.com (Joel) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:07:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3da70110.22369870@news.netidea.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-291.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:616 On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:04:45 -0700, Merv wrote: > >I can work with your idea and say that you wont heal unless you wish >to heal and therefore make intent (the applicatoin of Reiki energy >would be intentional) the deciding factor. That adds a factor of >intelligence that I'd like to work out of the equation, but I still >use Reiki :) :) :) > >Take Care >Merv I come back to intent as a form of participation. When I was attuned, it was emphasized that the energy I would be using for healing was not "my" energy. At the time, I felt we were told this to avoid the problems of ego aggrandisement. Later I felt it also had to do with not attempting to give another person one's stored energy (ch'i, ki) -- which practice was seen as one of the limitations of non-Reiki ki healing systems. So the intent was simply to be a conduit or channel for universal lifeforce energy. But there was also the consideration of not passing on Reiki energy to a person who had not given poermission, had not approved the idea that they would be receiving Reiki through you. So there was an acknowledgement of discretion, *choice* on the part of the healer. So again, intent would seem undeniably to be involved. I would say we know that intent plays a role. We could say (and I realize it is a construct of thinking) that universal energy, the organism to be healed (person, horse, tomato plant, etc), and the healer are all involved. So, if this is aceptable so far, the next question is to what extent can intent be involved in achieving the desired result -- healing? When one either meets or reads about or hears about an especially effective energy or spiritual healer, one may suspect that intent might play an extensive role in achieving dramatic healing. I can again trot out the example of a friend's mother who went to the Phillipines suffering from emphysema and got treatment from a spiritual healer, and came back cured (according to here physicians). I met the cured woman when I was in my twenties. Comments? Namaste, Joel ###### From: stuv@cix.co.uk (Stuart Vernon) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:28 +0100 (BST) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3da70110.22369870@news.netidea.com> Reply-To: stuv@cix.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.com (80.2.124.44) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1034360928 20820021 80.2.124.44 (16 [41161]) X-News-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http://www.ameol.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!public2-bolt3-3-cust44.oldh.broadband.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:636 (Joel) wrote: > I come back to intent as a form of participation. Eeee Joel ... your mention of tomato plants jogged my memory .. At my Reiki 1, we were told a story (may well be apocryphal) of a tomato in a sealed glass case at the entrance to a Reiki healing centre (maybe I should say center) .. Leaving aside for now that the case may be vacuum-sealed, each visitor to the center would treat the tomato to a few minutes of Reiki ... the tomato apparently remained (remains?) round and plump for years .. At the time we thought this was cool ... now many years on .. The tomato may well be screaming to be left to its own devices to shrivel and die to fulfil its purpose ... or at least end up in a pasta sauce .. Stuart Tomato-Consciousness Reiki (tm) ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:10:47 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> <3da70110.22369870@news.netidea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.08.8a Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 12 Oct 2002 02:11:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:638 >So, if this is aceptable so far, the next question is to what extent >can intent be involved in achieving the desired result -- healing? >When one either meets or reads about or hears about an especially >effective energy or spiritual healer, one may suspect that intent >might play an extensive role in achieving dramatic healing. Both the energy used and the *intent* are hard to quantify. For the energy, I try not to call it any form of electrical, magnetic, or gravitational energy for the simple reason that we have instruments that can sense any of these. And so far I've not seen a Reiki meter. Personally, I can feel something *flow* and I think I can sense a difference in the amount of *flow*. This could just be a differing chemical balance in me, caused by shifting metabolism, physical wellbeing or emotion. But I like to believe that it's a difference in this mysterous energy flow. That is intent in one of it's myriad forms. The more sharply I can focus that intent, the more flow I feel I can control, the more energy flows through me directed by another intent. The one that delivers the energy to my intended target. If I get a burst of adrenalin while focussing intent, the intent gets a boost too. Boosted I can move more energy. Moving more energy probably causes more miraculous healing. Ergo, if I'm scared shitless, I'm a healin' sonofagun! Sorry, that's now quite in topic, but... No expert here, just what I'm beginning to sense. Take Care Merv ###### From: nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.org.net Message-ID: <3da7f8d8.1900114@news.earthlink.net> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> <3da70110.22369870@news.netidea.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 55 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:08:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.161.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1034420911 165.247.161.241 (Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:08:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:08:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:625 On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:10:47 -0700, Merv wrote: >For the energy, I try not to call it any form of electrical, magnetic, >or gravitational energy for the simple reason that we have instruments >that can sense any of these. And so far I've not seen a Reiki meter. It may just be a matter of having instruments with sufficient sensitivity at a sufficiently cheap price available to those who are inclined to study such things. There are a few studies that detect electric and magnetic fields from healers, but they used expensive instrumentation. Dr. John Zimmerman did some studies on therapeutic touch in the 80's at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in Denver using a SQUID (Superconducting Quantum Interference Device) magnetometer (can't pick those up down at the local Wal-Mart or even Radio Shack) and a magnetically shielded chamber. The fields detected, while still several orders of magnitude stronger that those measured from non-healers, are nevertheless far weaker (in the sense of relative measurements, not in the sense of what they can accomplish) than what we customarily measure coming from our electrical devices. Also, fields measured from humans are in the frequency range of the earth's natural electric and magnetic fields, rather than the ranges of our power grid, microwave ovens, airport radar, radio and tv, x--ray machines, and so forth. Most measuring devices are designed to measure fields in the strengths and frequency ranges of the devices we wish to calibrate, instead of being designed to detect extremely faint fields in ranges that none of our day to day devices work in. Some studies have been done in Japan (Seto et al, 1992) with the result that "an extraordinarily large biomagnetic field emanates from the hands of practitioners of a variety of healing and martial arts techniques, including QiGong, yoga, meditation, Zen, etc. The fields were measured with a simple magnetometer consisting of two 80,000 turn coils and a sensitive amplifier. The fields had a strength of about 10(-3) gauss, which is about 1000 times stronger than the strongest human biomagnetic fields (from the heart) which are about 10(-6) gauss and about 1,000,000 times stronger than the fields produced by the brain." Quoted from _Energy Medicine, The Scientific Basis_ by James L. Oschman. I'm not saying that Reiki *is* a biological electric or magnetic field, but I *am* saying that you can't rule it out so casually just because you can't buy a Reiki meter at the Radio Shack. Not so very long ago you couldn't buy a global positioning device, either, but now they're everywhere. Before that, personal PC's were not within the reach of most people. Before that VCR's and before that TV's, etc. Supply matches demand, more or less. Thanks, Merv, for sharing your personal experiences and thoughts. Like Joel, I like to think that sharing information and experience will help us all to improve. Love and Light, Garry ###### From: marty1609@bolt.com (Marty) Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: 12 Oct 2002 15:46:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <485f8c37.0210121446.2340a15@posting.google.com> References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da2ccc4$1_2@news.bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.96.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1034462795 14472 127.0.0.1 (12 Oct 2002 22:46:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2002 22:46:35 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:666 The Medicine Buddha is blue.. > red is for curing green is for calmess yellow is for energy and blue > ..is the problem , I read ###### From: Merv Newsgroups: alt.healing.reiki Subject: Re: Back to some info Garry provided Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:34:08 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 126 Message-ID: References: <3da18e48.4360369@news.netidea.com> <3da31d34.3038291@news.netidea.com> <3da583a8.29332476@news.netidea.com> <3da70110.22369870@news.netidea.com> <3da7f8d8.1900114@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.bb.31.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 15 Oct 2002 03:34:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.healing.reiki:722 On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:08:31 GMT, nobody@nowhere.org.net (Nadie Niemand) wrote: >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:10:47 -0700, Merv wrote: > >>For the energy, I try not to call it any form of electrical, magnetic, >>or gravitational energy for the simple reason that we have instruments >>that can sense any of these. And so far I've not seen a Reiki meter. > >It may just be a matter of having instruments with sufficient >sensitivity at a sufficiently cheap price available to those who are >inclined to study such things. Good job again Garry! >There are a few studies that detect >electric and magnetic fields from healers, but they used expensive >instrumentation. 8<---- snipped some great SQUID stuff ------>8 Yeppers, I'd heard/read about this. And I think it's fantastic that someone is actually getting funding to try tests like this. Yes it could be that the human enaminations are enough weaker than what's normally measured that the run-of-the-mill instruments will not pick them up. A lot of the reason that I feel that healing energy, Reiki, Ki may be different is subjunctive, though I tend to quote "established fact" :) It's from working around fairly powerful radio and microwave equipment, including radio frequency burns from brushing against a guy wire holding a radiating antenna. The energy that I felt then is not at all the same thing. There's a difference between a powerful fixed magnet and a strong electrical current moving through a wire too:) The difference is in smell and almost taste as well as "touch" >Also, fields measured from humans are in the frequency range of the >earth's natural electric and magnetic fields, rather than the ranges >of our power grid, microwave ovens, airport radar, radio and tv, >x--ray machines, and so forth. This one is interesting and again true as far as I can find out. The interetsting part is that while naturalhuman rythms occur as specified, they also hetrodyne with manufactured radiation i.e. power grid, microwave ovens, airport radar, radio and tv to produce unusual cycles in the human body. These cycles do things like speed up cell division to a more error prone point. re. "The Body Electric" by Robert Becker and Gary Selden >Most measuring devices are designed to >measure fields in the strengths and frequency ranges of the devices we >wish to calibrate, instead of being designed to detect extremely faint >fields in ranges that none of our day to day devices work in. And in saying "most", you're right :) :) :) I would like to point out galvanic skin response meters and alpha wave monitors >Some studies have been done in Japan (Seto et al, 1992) with the >result that "an extraordinarily large biomagnetic field emanates from >the hands of practitioners of a variety of healing and martial arts >techniques, including QiGong, yoga, meditation, Zen, etc. The fields >were measured with a simple magnetometer consisting of two 80,000 turn >coils and a sensitive amplifier. The fields had a strength of about >10(-3) gauss, which is about 1000 times stronger than the strongest >human biomagnetic fields (from the heart) which are about 10(-6) gauss >and about 1,000,000 times stronger than the fields produced by the >brain." Cool!!! I like "biomagnetic". It shows that someone is thinking. Biologically produced magnetic fields may very well have an as yet unmeasureable component. There is a similarity in the feel of Ki, reiki, etc. and radio or electric wire enamations, but it's different. Like cottage cheese and jello are both cooling, but *most* :) :) wouldn't mistake them for each other. Do you happen to remember what the strength of the earth's magnetic field is? I had a schematic for building a magnetometer a few years ago that was supposed to measure down to a 200th of the earth's field. Wondering if that would be close to getting the human one. Hmmm next I'll have to dig up a plan for a faraday cage :) :) :) Hmmmmm. >Quoted from _Energy Medicine, The Scientific Basis_ by James >L. Oschman. I'd been wondering what I was going to read next...Thanks Garry! >I'm not saying that Reiki *is* a biological electric or magnetic >field, but I *am* saying that you can't rule it out so casually just >because you can't buy a Reiki meter at the Radio Shack. Very true, though I still tend to rule out the combinations I can measure, just because of the feel. I think that healing energy should show up stronger on the scale. The feel is much much more intense. More than a 1.5 volt battery on the tongue, less than 120 volts for instance (no I didn't put that on my tongue :) >Thanks, Merv, for sharing your personal experiences and thoughts. >Like Joel, I like to think that sharing information and experience >will help us all to improve. Y'all got one here that got me thinkin'! I love reading this group just for things like this. And thank you all for more grist. Light Merv <---- Sneaking off to his laBORatory.