From: Tim Chmielewski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Computers in movies Date: 29 Nov 2004 21:03:34 GMT Organization: timchuma.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de m4tCm9ULuudv8TiB2/5NLwBqWoHTT85bStgiAbMxG5ALDHXYDh User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190634 Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? For example "The enemy is a computer. The images you see are materialisations of its energy. To destroy it press button for it's elimination, probable colour - RED!" Cosmos: War of the Planets (The evil computer tells the hero it will take over the galaxy if he replaces it's circuit board and he still does it anyway.) Thanks. -- GIT Groupie : http://gitgroupie.timchuma.com The Twits Give Me the Shits : http://twitsgivemetheshits.timchuma.com My Photos : http://photos.timchuma.com ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:20:49 -0600 From: "Jack Peacock" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:20:42 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.18.133.20 X-Trace: sv3-UByeaUMOieDKkmgpsdZ08LoJuas6vo928ECmwRqO0C/SLetYlYYkivFwMjf7wd611ItT25kd+1nQA7t!Oe/N3NIgAupQXVylRxoAgCNwlfUzJF0VBJ3X0NY1k/xN3vwGIhkYwaNRS/ybJuVFeR6kR0yT5vGz!A0E= X-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mpowercom.net!news.mpowercom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190637 "Tim Chmielewski" wrote in message news:Xns95B15312F9909chumadcsinetau@130.133.1.4... > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > "Gog and Magog" (1954), where a mysterious never-seen force from the eastern hemisphere infiltrates a giant supercomputer (amazingly similar to an IBM 650) at a secret military research base. The computer uses robots (Gog and Magog) to attack the scientists. Best actor goes to the Model 15 teletype.... Jack Peacock ###### From: glen herrmannsfeldt Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:22:13 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.208.140.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gnus01.u.washington.edu 1101766877 32118 128.208.140.139 (29 Nov 2004 22:21:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:21:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190638 Tim Chmielewski wrote: > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does > anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring > role in? In many of the original series Star Trek shows a society was run by a computer, which had to be destroyed, often by supplying illogical thinking which it couldn't process and would destroy itself. -- glen ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:32:53 -0600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler References: From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:g80YiyylRSuXsjwAtOH0SLoGZ+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.177.206.98 X-Trace: sv3-VMutPV+u+QTtsWnojPQnWjUDMvuSA+5X+LoPlK+0Zy2H/GPFMB2GMWeGaSmECCy7FewmTd6lCaJW8Q+!t/uV3gG8JeigJawG8yLtLoK1VznrWn+vfUHGaI4DT38slGxHchjQYgQL X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.space.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190641 Tim Chmielewski writes: > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does > anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring > role in? not in the movies ... but a real hal from the early 90s ... did a 64-bit sparc with investment from fujitsu ... and is now part of fujitsu. trivia ... what did this h-a-l stand for? how 'bout war games. another trivia ... the ferry that appeared in war games ... is now a tourist boat on lake washington ... operating out of kirkland ... part of the tour goes by who's estate?. the original ferry scene was out of a dock in south puget sound (in the movie it was supposedly off the coast of oregon). if i remember correctly ... the name of that (real) dock shows up in a science fiction novel sometime later in the 80s. random past posts mentioning war games: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#39 Future hacks [was Re: RS/6000 ] http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#52 Author seeks help - net in 1981 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#38 "war-dialing" etymology? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#14 Seven of Nine -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:23:30 -0600 From: "Jack Peacock" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:23:24 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.18.133.20 X-Trace: sv3-gCfLp4Dc6qn/6sBcO3AX0IAmiC7KrTo3EB27/BaId21esyZDIGHKnDRStCzQDC6cfzGpNIWIxIfeqz2!FY1FzX0qRhKT27SkKemkghOfr725p+hXZc74m/lGN1QkFalft+E+BJ0JPRcBJQO6uluqa20VUejr!BKc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mpowercom.net!news.mpowercom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190649 "Tim Chmielewski" wrote in message news:Xns95B15312F9909chumadcsinetau@130.133.1.4... > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > Another great classic, "The Invisible Boy" (1957), where a computer mind controls the father but the son (with the help of Robbie the Robot, fresh off of the "Forbidden Planet" set) manages to rescue Earth from nuclear bombardment by the electronic brain. Best acting goes to Robbie in this one.... Jack Peacock ###### From: fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:37:16 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190654 Tim Chmielewski wrote: >Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? One of the classics is: Colossus: The Forbin Project (aka "The Forbin Project"). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL ###### From: fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:44:44 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190655 Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >how 'bout war games. another trivia ... the ferry that appeared in war >games ... is now a tourist boat on lake washington ... operating out >of kirkland ... part of the tour goes by who's estate?. At the time the movie was filmed the ferry was in revenue service with the Washington Ferry Service. >the original ferry scene was out of a dock in south puget sound (in >the movie it was supposedly off the coast of oregon). if i remember >correctly ... the name of that (real) dock shows up in a science >fiction novel sometime later in the 80s. Some other trivia can be found at: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/trivia One of the more interesting bits is that the main computer at NORAD, known as WOPR in the film, was actually named BURGR (and called 'Big Mac' by it's crew). D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:00:58 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:00:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-l6n5+nhiAzYUQb8IvIlWZpg+p02RHKMog+/AXUpgQrE90gIqB63utcxraIsJeQNuDpKN3He7mWSq996!U3b8wkzePgKuBtX2P2aRvqkSiAEglm2Lbi/rZedp34o6cHGD+Zhg4MzgMDk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190656 "Derek Lyons" wrote in message news:41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com... > One of the classics is: Colossus: The Forbin Project (aka "The Forbin > Project"). > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ My favorite in this area. The book is even better, but this movie shows that it is actually possible to adapt a book without trashing it. Going to the other extreme (in quality and lowering of the brow), there's always Demon Seed (1977). http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0075931/ - Bill ###### From: freddy1X Subject: Re: Computers in movies Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Lines: 40 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.251.105.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1101781056 68.251.105.151 (Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:17:36 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:17:36 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!41226605!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190658 Tim Chmielewski wrote: > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > For example > "The enemy is a computer. The images you see are materialisations of its > energy. To destroy it press button for it's elimination, probable colour > - RED!" > Cosmos: War of the Planets > (The evil computer tells the hero it will take over the galaxy if he > replaces it's circuit board and he still does it anyway.) > > Thanks. > "How to Frame a Fig" Don Knotts stars as the wimpy accountant for a corrupt city management, there to be their patsy when the books don't balance. "L.E.O.", a Hollywood blinkenlight model gives it's ( his? ) life to save our hero. Comedy. "Paper Man" I think this was a made for TV movie. Computer science students discover the empowerment of hacking by creating a cyber identity with their toy, only to have it start killing them off one by one through "accidents". The elevator death is particularly disturbing. In the end we discover that "the butler did it". OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... -- no escort vehicles beyond this point /\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\/ /\ I may be demented \/ /\ but I'm not crazy! \/ /\<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\/ * SPAyM trap: there is no X in my address * ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:07:08 -0600 From: William Hamblen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:11:03 -0600 Message-ID: <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.52.5.130 X-Trace: sv3-v89OeFlKnw+HdJI/TOdrN8P2f+Q/ReSoB7hbW8o/2Wjuya351h0X1fYgVAtvjehqhOF90vlG3U1Z/F3!lCcGJmxOT86yOcSQCTzr6gvz3uEsnL68RYZeB1kaORkeGoriHpxchKKmC8UrqoVCEHBsHA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190669 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: >OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading straight through the library of manuals. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:07:08 -0600 From: William Hamblen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:11:03 -0600 Message-ID: References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.52.5.130 X-Trace: sv3-aw3HWHRV0PGCaX4gM06iogP5Ted1TMNK3QRwejQ2TsHzdUjReKvySBUFhhST1h+0on2KTxNnKXYCULs!Gjx5Cbm2iFTC+4fJ8TO+STMmxiFVQd20oXRkL+1Lw6EByBCxk83Rf+14TuzqcAoPLqKSYw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190670 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:37:16 GMT, fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) wrote: >Tim Chmielewski wrote: > >>Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >>know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > >One of the classics is: Colossus: The Forbin Project (aka "The Forbin >Project"). > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ The movie where Colossus could recognize speech, but resorted to a noisy printer to reply. It did have Susan Clark, one of Canada's best exports, in it. ###### From: Jonathan Griffitts Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:23:54 -0700 Organization: AnyWare Engineering Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de uIOjm9DuyKxrGNMcoLjbsQPuhc7n4ntRXP5lS60TAZPAwnbp6B X-Orig-Path: spamcop.net!jgriffitts User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-M () Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190672 In article , Tim Chmielewski writes >Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? How about "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes"? I did a google search on this one, and discovered to my surprise that there were two sequels. I also discovered that it was remade in 1995. The original one was in 1969. -- Jonathan Griffitts AnyWare Engineering Boulder, CO, USA ###### Reply-To: "Helmut P. Einfalt" From: "Helmut P. Einfalt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:04:50 -0000 Organization: LPG St. Koloman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <41ac616e$0$11532$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: L0716P07.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1101816174 newsreader01.highway.telekom.at 11532 62.46.153.103 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.zanker.org!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!newsfeed.utanet.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader01.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190679 William Hamblen wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > >> OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... > > Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a > computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way > into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading > straight through the library of manuals. ...and the best scene certainly is where he tries to get past the alarm system (with the light on top) and finds out that the charwoman just kicks the side of the machine, the alarm system goes tilt, and she puts her teapot on top just to keep it warm... HElmut -- All typos © My Knotty Fingers Ltd. Capacity Dept. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:24:52 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:24:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-V4aNNPcajlQsFHYAzNrqICFq8muIlDJyHDBxeOuKI/hehe6z+RPX/2oc/D5+qYL2713jPh9h23PtXX9!chY+WL0T1TjIiZziA3cksk3CxXRjpox62R0kMGmIzlzzNVRtlHgWXaTx8nU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.hispeed.ch!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190695 "William Hamblen" wrote in message news:q30oq0t04p8ohptqr6srq5v4q5d6lhqb07@4ax.com... > >One of the classics is: Colossus: The Forbin Project (aka "The Forbin > >Project"). > > > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ > > The movie where Colossus could recognize speech, but resorted to a > noisy printer to reply. Its not entirely clear in every scene, but it could not recognize speach. Forbin, and others, spoke to the operator who input their words via a terminal. Later, after Colossus designed the speach I/O system, it could recognize and respond in speach. - Bill ###### From: "S.C.Sprong" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 30 Nov 2004 13:56:15 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de KbEKxOMV3WkyeOGbsf9PQwrE+cKzF4vZL4gM+oKyUFHMxC/vc= X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/5.3-STABLE (i386)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190705 Bill Leary wrote: [ computers in films ] >"William Hamblen" wrote: >> The movie where Colossus could recognize speech, but resorted to a >> noisy printer to reply. >Its not entirely clear in every scene, but it could not recognize speach. >Forbin, and others, spoke to the operator who input their words via a >terminal. Speach? The operator was Richard Stallman? Other watchable films were computers played a major role: TRON, Terminator (aka 'Revenge of the automated help desk systems'), Matrix ('Online RPG gone wrong'), and one of my favourites: Avalon. scs ###### From: Rob Storey Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:59:37 +1100 Message-ID: <6juoq0phq0h658fo6m8ldovp98ibpf80c7@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.28.100.186 X-Trace: 1101823071 21280 211.28.100.186 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190706 On 29 Nov 2004 21:03:34 GMT, Tim Chmielewski wrote: >Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? Not a movie, but the 1960's BBC serial "A for Andromeda" revolved around a *very* nasty computer. Starred Julie Christie, and spawned a book by Fred Hoyle. I remember this show used scare the living shit out of me when I was about 8 or 9! Tragically, almost nothing remains of it. (sound familar?) Some refs:- http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeImages/Film/Andromeda/A-for-Andromeda/ http://www.memorabletv.com/episodeguides/aforandromedaepguide.htm http://users.metronet.co.uk/cultv/aforandromeda.htm http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054511/ Rob Storey ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:04:54 +0000 Organization: Home. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6muhoc.ph1.ln@fenelon.com> References: <6juoq0phq0h658fo6m8ldovp98ibpf80c7@4ax.com> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Vv6wwubcGzum34VK0oaiywUPfDUSwLmuqpEMICpKDaehUcX3Oi X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail User-Agent: tin/1.7.6-20040906 ("Baleshare") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.19 (i686)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190707 Rob Storey wrote: > On 29 Nov 2004 21:03:34 GMT, Tim Chmielewski > wrote: > >>Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >>know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > Not a movie, but the 1960's BBC serial "A for Andromeda" revolved > around a *very* nasty computer. Starred Julie Christie, and spawned a > book by Fred Hoyle. > ...wasn't the sinister corporation who kept trying to steal the Andromeda computer called Intel? ;) (No, really!) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" ###### From: Rob Storey Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:21:30 +1100 Message-ID: References: <6juoq0phq0h658fo6m8ldovp98ibpf80c7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.28.100.186 X-Trace: 1101824384 20858 211.28.100.186 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190709 This BBC link has a short clip... http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/treasurehunt/about/andromeda.shtml ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:23:27 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:23:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Trace: sv3-DrgH7uVr2PLzNnCNvOE0yqxQaDlQq99eq/eBlxYgCWIDEOYax63U1CIFZfwkEMgG+x9NdNX9UZxSygh!5RMei9Sc4vsU5wUw1gSammvuuEXhb3Q0lumVR1ViVzZZfB8OnBYe0BDDh0Q= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190710 "S.C.Sprong" wrote in message news:313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de... > Bill Leary wrote: > [ computers in films ] > >"William Hamblen" wrote: > >> The movie where Colossus could recognize speech, but resorted to a > >> noisy printer to reply. > >Its not entirely clear in every scene, but it could not recognize speach. > >Forbin, and others, spoke to the operator who input their words via a > >terminal. > > Speach? The operator was Richard Stallman? Usually bad form to point out bad spelling unless it (1) fouls up understanding or (2) makes a great joke. Given the comment you followed the observation by, I assume this was the second case, but since I pretty much ignore Stallman I have to confess I don't get it. Could you please illuminate? > Other watchable films were computers played a major role: TRON, I hated this movie. > Terminator (aka 'Revenge of the automated help desk systems'), Liked this one a lot. > Matrix ('Online RPG gone wrong'), Didn't like this one much. > and one of my favourites: Avalon. And this is about the tenth time I've heard about this one. People seem to love it or hate it. I've read the IMDb entry and comments on it, but I've never seen it. What in particular, in the context of this thread (enemy computers) makes is one of your favorites? - Bill ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:21:11 -0800 Organization: Canine Computer Center Message-ID: <41AC8FE8.D66EA535@plano.net> Reply-To: richmond@nospam.plano.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190696 Derek Lyons wrote: > > Tim Chmielewski wrote: > > >Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > >know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > One of the classics is: Colossus: The Forbin Project (aka "The Forbin > Project"). > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ > I liked the titles for the movie "Ghost in the Machine", but the movie is kind of cheesy... -- +------------------------------- | Charles and Francis Richmond | richmond at plano dot net | Re-Defeat Bush!!! +------------------------------- ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:27:09 -0800 Organization: Canine Computer Center Message-ID: <41AC914D.DB909701@plano.net> Reply-To: richmond@nospam.plano.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190701 William Hamblen wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > > >OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... > > Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a > computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way > into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading > straight through the library of manuals. > How about he Steve McQueen movie where US naval personel try to predict a roullette wheel by computer. -- +------------------------------- | Charles and Francis Richmond | richmond at plano dot net | Re-Defeat Bush!!! +------------------------------- ###### From: Alan Balmer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:28:40 -0700 Organization: Balmer Consulting Lines: 30 Message-ID: <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> Reply-To: albalmer@spamcop.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de rxn6t7Uuo+hxDI/9jC7ksgkFmdbkNQC4XjiCpctSz/mq8cljul Cancel-Lock: sha1:g44o+PSMsShduWg4H1W4jN09IG8= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190722 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:44:44 GMT, fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) wrote: >Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >>how 'bout war games. another trivia ... the ferry that appeared in war >>games ... is now a tourist boat on lake washington ... operating out >>of kirkland ... part of the tour goes by who's estate?. > >At the time the movie was filmed the ferry was in revenue service with >the Washington Ferry Service. > >>the original ferry scene was out of a dock in south puget sound (in >>the movie it was supposedly off the coast of oregon). if i remember >>correctly ... the name of that (real) dock shows up in a science >>fiction novel sometime later in the 80s. > >Some other trivia can be found at: >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/trivia > >One of the more interesting bits is that the main computer at NORAD, >known as WOPR in the film, was actually named BURGR (and called 'Big >Mac' by it's crew). > Taylor Instrument sold a pair of process control computers to Corn Products which were called "Starchy" and "Husk." -- Al Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:34:51 -0800 Organization: Canine Computer Center Message-ID: <41AC931C.284E69D1@plano.net> Reply-To: richmond@nospam.plano.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.hispeed.ch!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!news.glorb.com!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190703 Jonathan Griffitts wrote: > > In article , Tim Chmielewski > writes > >Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > >know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > How about "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes"? > > I did a google search on this one, and discovered to my surprise that > there were two sequels. I also discovered that it was remade in 1995. > The original one was in 1969. > How about "The Misadventures of Merlin Jones"??? Annette never looked better...IMHO. -- +------------------------------- | Charles and Francis Richmond | richmond at plano dot net | Re-Defeat Bush!!! +------------------------------- ###### From: iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:59:58 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 4m65GIYuT3qpI7+A+1lUvw7c7TaU2spgh26k8KrN5XOeJh2mQ= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190726 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:28:40 -0700, Alan Balmer wrote: >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:44:44 GMT, fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) >wrote: > [...] >> >>One of the more interesting bits is that the main computer at NORAD, >>known as WOPR in the film, was actually named BURGR (and called 'Big >>Mac' by it's crew). >> >Taylor Instrument sold a pair of process control computers to Corn >Products which were called "Starchy" and "Husk." When I worked for Honeywell SSED in the latter half of the 1980's, we named the PDP-11 systems controlling the direct-write-on-wafer e-beam lithography systems "Snap," "Crackle," and "Pop." Maybe that's a little American-culture-centric... Regards, -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress is not. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> From: Pascal Bourguignon Date: 30 Nov 2004 17:21:04 +0100 Message-ID: <87sm6rb95b.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 23 Organization: [posted via Easynet Spain] NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.93.174.79 X-Trace: DXC=8WECOGU5_51E1GDI9:f3b19faNSh;fPf>bBd4DjF1d]1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!easynet-monga!easynet.net!easynet-post2!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190728 "Bill Leary" writes: > > Speach? The operator was Richard Stallman? > > Usually bad form to point out bad spelling unless it (1) fouls up > understanding or (2) makes a great joke. Given the comment you > followed the observation by, I assume this was the second case, but > since I pretty much ignore Stallman I have to confess I don't get > it. Could you please illuminate? Richard Mathew Stallman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman Creator of emacs, and the Free Software Foundation. http://www.gnu.org/ http://www.fsf.org/ I'm not sure to get the relationship between Stallman and Speach. Sometimes he's cited for: "Free software, as free speach, not free beer", but if he had, it's corrected in his web: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ The world will now reboot; don't bother saving your artefacts. ###### From: jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John Savard) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:30:14 GMT Organization: Group Telecom - a 360networks Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <41ac9ff6.1536532@news.ecn.ab.ca> References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h64-42-245-144.gtcust.grouptelecom.net X-Trace: utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net 1101832221 14083 64.42.245.144 (30 Nov 2004 16:30:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gt.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:30:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!209.11.36.156.MISMATCH!nntp-server.pubsub.com!news.glorb.com!news.alt.net!newsfeed.east.grouptelecom.net!news.east.grouptelecom.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190729 On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:11:03 -0600, William Hamblen wrote, in part: >The movie where Colossus could recognize speech, but resorted to a >noisy printer to reply. It did have Susan Clark, one of Canada's best >exports, in it. I just wish I knew more about modular exponentiation when I saw that movie for the first time. It could have inspired me to invent RSA. John Savard http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Charles Shannon Hendrix Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> Reply-To: cshSPAM@SPAM.widomaker.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Linux) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeed.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out2.spamkiller.net!corp-news!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190744 On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: >>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ > > The movie where Colossus could recognize speech, but resorted to a > noisy printer to reply. It did have Susan Clark, one of Canada's best > exports, in it. Colossus also spoke later on though. -- shannon "AT" widomaker.com -- ["There is no such thing as security. 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X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeed.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!news-out2.spamkiller.net!corp-news!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190749 On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > >>OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... > > Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a > computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way > into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading > straight through the library of manuals. There was some Doris Day movie featuring a computer, and it was one of the earlier ones to do so. Can't remember the name. Also, I think Dick van Dyke was in a movie where he used a non-descript mainframe to embezzle money from a bank to give to good causes. I include it because so many scenes had him directly operating the computer. There was another movie about a computer which controlled a building. I can't remember the title of that one either, but I do remember one scene where the computer killed someone by mashing them in an elevator. -- shannon "AT" widomaker.com -- ["There is no such thing as security. Life is either bold adventure, or it is nothing -- Helen Keller"] ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Message-ID: <20041130173941.0720d7e1.steveo@eircom.net> References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.99-gtk2-20041024 (GTK+ 2.4.1; i586-pc-interix3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:39:41 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.12.14.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: newsread1.dllstx09.us.to.verio.net 1101836331 217.12.14.195 (Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:38:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:38:51 GMT Organization: NTT/VERIO Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!newspeer1.stngva01.us.to.verio.net!verio!newsread1.dllstx09.us.to.verio.net.POSTED!92c6ff8c!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190734 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:59:58 GMT iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) wrote: > lithography systems "Snap," "Crackle," and "Pop." > > Maybe that's a little American-culture-centric... Nah Rice Crispies have been sold with that slogan for decades on this side of the pond. ###### From: K Williams Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:12:36 -0500 Organization: none here Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de tpKCkhvtJBRBa5/188OZUQlPEK1lhMPOeA9fU5845OekSA0KeG X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190756 In article , shannon@news.widomaker.com says... > On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > > > >>OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... > > > > Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a > > computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way > > into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading > > straight through the library of manuals. > > There was some Doris Day movie featuring a computer, and it was one of > the earlier ones to do so. Can't remember the name. Don't remember a Doris Day movie, but the Tracy and Hepburn "Desk Set" was one of the earliest (1957) I know of that featured a computer. -- Keith ###### From: mwojcik@newsguy.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 30 Nov 2004 18:34:28 GMT Organization: Micro Focus International Ltd Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mwojcik@newsguy.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-919.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@sen Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!mww Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190758 In article , Tim Chmielewski writes: > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. Boring, stupid, derivative. An utter failure of vision. Its popularity is a complete mystery to me. I haven't seen anyone mention _Homewrecker_[1] yet, where a home automation system falls in love with its creator and starts slashing the family so it can have him to itself. Worse than it sounds, if that's possible. (The IMDB patrons have given this a 6/10 rating. They're insane. Its only redeeming feature is its MST3K potential.) Then there's _Hardware_[2], in which an artist in a post-apocalypic world takes the head of a killer military robot and incorporates it into some kind of half-assed sculpture. Surprise, surprise - it comes to life and starts (or, arguably, resumes) killing people. This one only got 5/10 from the IMDBites, even though it commands the awesome star power of Dylan McDermott. Most egregious flaw: after reawakening, the robot head assembles its body by magic machine telekinesis. Couldn't they just have had the artist build it a body? Machine TK is one of the lamest tropes in "science" fiction film - how many times must we see, say, power tools that not only turn themselves on, but then fly around the room hunting people down? Despite its cult status, I must include the released version of _Dark Star_. Not a *good* movie, however enjoyable. (The original student film, which I understand lacks the beach-ball alien, might lie just outside bad-moviedom, I suppose.) 1. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104433/ 2. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099740/ -- Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@microfocus.com There are many definitions of what art is, but what I am convinced art is not is self-expression. If I have an experience, it is not important because it is mine. It is important because it's worth writing about for other people, worth sharing with other people. That is what gives it validity. (Auden) ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 30 Nov 04 14:22:41 -0800 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-634.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190778 In article , mwojcik@newsguy.com (Michael Wojcik) writes: > In article , > Tim Chmielewski writes: > >> Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >> know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. > Boring, stupid, derivative. An utter failure of vision. Its > popularity is a complete mystery to me. Good entertainment, though, given the proper suspension of disbelief. Still, the third one was a terrible disappointment. > Most egregious flaw: after >reawakening, the robot head assembles its body by magic machine >telekinesis. Couldn't they just have had the artist build it a body? >Machine TK is one of the lamest tropes in "science" fiction film - >how many times must we see, say, power tools that not only turn >themselves on, but then fly around the room hunting people down? This makes me feel a bit guilty about enjoying _The_Iron_Giant_. But not quite. :-) >Despite its cult status, I must include the released version of _Dark >Star_. Not a *good* movie, however enjoyable. (The original student >film, which I understand lacks the beach-ball alien, might lie just >outside bad-moviedom, I suppose.) Awww, c'mon. Any bomb that can argue existentialism can't be all bad. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:17:38 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> <87sm6rb95b.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:17:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-uYuBwWB/Mi6mnU0cnpxPBG/qscoTANoN1VrBOUaerDdPJVw0Q2E4nGpv2r7ro7G+Yq1cVswqgaw9qeH!Ixb1c+Ff9LtRKttKp7324HvbRG0xEMmi84n/Y97IC/+rF3cYaA7Fks1dOfc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190779 "Pascal Bourguignon" wrote in message news:87sm6rb95b.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com... > "Bill Leary" writes: > > > Speach? The operator was Richard Stallman? > > > > Usually bad form to point out bad spelling unless it (1) fouls up > > understanding or (2) makes a great joke. Given the comment you > > followed the observation by, I assume this was the second case, but > > since I pretty much ignore Stallman I have to confess I don't get > > it. Could you please illuminate? > > Richard Mathew Stallman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman > Creator of emacs, and the Free Software Foundation. > http://www.gnu.org/ http://www.fsf.org/ Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know who he is. My "ignoring" him is a decision, not an oversight. > I'm not sure to get the relationship between Stallman and > Speach. Sometimes he's cited for: > "Free software, as free speach, not free beer", > but if he had, it's corrected in his web: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Ah, so the amusing reference is that he also misspelled "speech" as "speach," and I'm guessing from the quote in a famously known form... which I never happened to run across. Many thanks. - Bill ###### From: freddy1X Subject: Re: Computers in movies Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> Lines: 23 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:31:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.38.37.240 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1101857463 67.38.37.240 (Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:31:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:31:03 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!41226605!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190780 Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: > > > There was another movie about a computer which controlled a building. I > can't remember the title of that one either, but I do remember one > scene where the computer killed someone by mashing them in an elevator. > Again that would be the "Paper Man" I mentioned a few posts back. That scene was one you just can't forget. -- not valid unless cashier activates card /\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\/ /\ I may be demented \/ /\ but I'm not crazy! \/ /\<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\/ * SPAyM trap: there is no X in my address * ###### From: IPGrunt Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 1 Dec 2004 00:02:55 GMT Organization: Little if any Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: individual.net ikK0ILqH97DDTzwEkDRRIQwHy6L71wo7NTS5jyZI2URnZJwUIg User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.60.204.100 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190782 Tim Chmielewski confessed in news:Xns95B15312F9909chumadcsinetau@130.133.1.4: > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > For example > "The enemy is a computer. The images you see are materialisations of its > energy. To destroy it press button for it's elimination, probable colour > - RED!" > Cosmos: War of the Planets > (The evil computer tells the hero it will take over the galaxy if he > replaces it's circuit board and he still does it anyway.) > > Thanks. > There's great Hepburn and Tracy Movie from 1957 - Desk Set - that features a rather flashy mainframe computer as a leading character, named Emerac. Tracy plays a computer engineer from a computer company (his blue suits lead one to believe it's IBM) and Hepburn is the Head Librarian for a large NYC television network. Emerac has lots of lights and sounds and whirring tape drives, including a honking sound when the data comes out. They ask it real-language questions through a teletype (quite advanced for 1957!). Hepburn and her crew are afraid that Emerac will render them obsolete, but they prove their worth by demonstrating quite clearly for 1957, the need for good metadata on a question concerning the King of the Watusis. While the computer is not evil, I do enjoy this rather innocent view of computing from a kindler, gentler time. -- ipgrunt ###### From: "Netizen Kane" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Computers in movies Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:22:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.233.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1101864140 12.76.233.234 (Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:22:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:22:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190790 "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" wrote in message news:umzx05lsy.fsf@mail.comcast.net... > > Tim Chmielewski writes: >> Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does >> anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring >> role in? > > not in the movies ... but a real hal from the early 90s ... did > a 64-bit sparc with investment from fujitsu ... and is now part > of fujitsu. trivia ... what did this h-a-l stand for? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 ###### Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:07:08 -0700 From: Chuck_Sterling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040922 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ras01-216-31-89-104.lru-dial.zianet.com Message-ID: <41ad2744@nntp.zianet.com> X-Trace: nntp.zianet.com 1101866820 216.31.89.104 (30 Nov 2004 19:07:00 -0600) Lines: 44 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news-pen-1.sprintlink.net!nntp.zianet.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190791 Michael Wojcik wrote: > In article , Tim Chmielewski writes: > >> Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does >> anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring >> role in? > Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. > Boring, stupid, derivative. An utter failure of vision. Its > popularity is a complete mystery to me. > I haven't seen anyone mention _Homewrecker_[1] yet, where a home > automation system falls in love with its creator and starts slashing > the family so it can have him to itself. Worse than it sounds, if > that's possible. (The IMDB patrons have given this a 6/10 rating. > They're insane. Its only redeeming feature is its MST3K potential.) > Then there's _Hardware_[2], in which an artist in a post-apocalypic > world takes the head of a killer military robot and incorporates it > into some kind of half-assed sculpture. Surprise, surprise - it > comes to life and starts (or, arguably, resumes) killing people. > This one only got 5/10 from the IMDBites, even though it commands the > awesome star power of Dylan McDermott. Most egregious flaw: after > reawakening, the robot head assembles its body by magic machine > telekinesis. Couldn't they just have had the artist build it a body? > Machine TK is one of the lamest tropes in "science" fiction film - > how many times must we see, say, power tools that not only turn > themselves on, but then fly around the room hunting people down? > Despite its cult status, I must include the released version of _Dark > Star_. Not a *good* movie, however enjoyable. (The original student > film, which I understand lacks the beach-ball alien, might lie just > outside bad-moviedom, I suppose.) > 1. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104433/ > 2. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099740/ > Just happened to recall one that is on my shelf, _The Thirteenth Floor_, having to do with virtual reality. A recent movie, I think. The computer(s) is/are not the star(s), but is/are certainly central to the story. Chuck Sterling ###### Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:10:29 -0700 From: Chuck_Sterling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040922 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ras01-216-31-89-104.lru-dial.zianet.com Message-ID: <41ad280d$1@nntp.zianet.com> X-Trace: nntp.zianet.com 1101867021 216.31.89.104 (30 Nov 2004 19:10:21 -0600) Lines: 47 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news-pen-1.sprintlink.net!nntp.zianet.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190793 IPGrunt wrote: > Tim Chmielewski confessed in > news:Xns95B15312F9909chumadcsinetau@130.133.1.4: > >> Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does >> anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring >> role in? >> >>For example >>"The enemy is a computer. The images you see are materialisations of its >>energy. To destroy it press button for it's elimination, probable colour >> - RED!" Cosmos: War of the Planets >> (The evil computer tells the hero it will take over the galaxy if >> he replaces it's circuit board and he still does it anyway.) >> >>Thanks. >> > There's great Hepburn and Tracy Movie from 1957 - Desk Set - that > features a rather flashy mainframe computer as a leading character, > named Emerac. > Tracy plays a computer engineer from a computer company (his blue > suits lead one to believe it's IBM) and Hepburn is the Head > Librarian for a large NYC television network. > Emerac has lots of lights and sounds and whirring tape drives, > including a honking sound when the data comes out. > They ask it real-language questions through a teletype (quite > advanced for 1957!). Hepburn and her crew are afraid that Emerac > will render them obsolete, but they prove their worth by > demonstrating quite clearly for 1957, the need for good metadata on > a question concerning the King of the Watusis. > While the computer is not evil, I do enjoy this rather innocent view > of computing from a kindler, gentler time. > -- ipgrunt > Ah. I forgot about _Bicentennial Man_. Robin Williams as the robot... And of course the current I, Robot... Chuck Sterling Chuck Sterling ###### From: Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: Sender: stuart@nomad X-Newsreader: SimpleNews-0.1 linux/i586 Lines: 9 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@bellsouth.net X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: bhmkggakljkaanefdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbofaepjeoiggolhlpcpcmkpgmckgcjifdgpklhfcomnkamogmcgjekflgicjbhhnglkdmkllegdncmpbddmddihpgdpphbacaenjhaijibjlmohifg NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:18:46 EST Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 02:18:46 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bignumber.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews3.bellsouth.net.POSTED!820f0057!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190794 mwojcik@newsguy.com (Michael Wojcik) wrote: >I haven't seen anyone mention _Homewrecker_[1] yet, where a home >automation system falls in love with its creator and starts slashing >the family so it can have him to itself. That one reminds me of Electric Dreams. The computer and it's owner both fall in love with the neighbor played by Virginia Madsen (IIRC). Brian L. Stuart ###### From: Tim Chmielewski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 1 Dec 2004 02:35:01 GMT Organization: timchuma.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Trace: individual.net mKTrOPJkqdWMsYard14y0gpYp2spg2GprCktFuYDootfDrgPZR User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!image.surnet.ru!newsfeed.arcor.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190795 "Bill Leary" wrote in news:M8udnT1G1LPCHzHcRVn-iA@giganews.com: >> and one of my favourites: Avalon. > > And this is about the tenth time I've heard about this one. People > seem to love it or hate it. I've read the IMDb entry and comments on > it, but I've never seen it. What in particular, in the context of > this thread (enemy computers) makes is one of your favorites? I saw it in 2002 at the Melbourne International Film Festival without subtitles (it's in Polish) and I also think it wasn't a finished version as they showed the camera tracks in some scenes. It's very pretty to look at, but a bit slow for my liking. -- GIT Groupie : http://gitgroupie.timchuma.com The Twits Give Me the Shits : http://twitsgivemetheshits.timchuma.com My Photos : http://photos.timchuma.com ###### From: foxnhare@bigvalley.net (Joe Commodore) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 30 Nov 2004 18:56:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.174.30.242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1101869775 16128 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 2004 02:56:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 02:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190796 Tim Chmielewski wrote in message news:... > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > For example > "The enemy is a computer. The images you see are materialisations of its > energy. To destroy it press button for it's elimination, probable colour > - RED!" > Cosmos: War of the Planets > (The evil computer tells the hero it will take over the galaxy if he > replaces it's circuit board and he still does it anyway.) > > Thanks. I have a bunch listed (more focusing on computers than robots) on my website including computers in some sci-fi books too: http://www.portcommodore.com/commodore/collect/compmovbook.html Nowadays it is so commonplace it's not worh the trouble to list all of them but before the 90s many of the films were notable. Larry ###### From: Tim Chmielewski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 1 Dec 2004 03:12:48 GMT Organization: timchuma.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> X-Trace: individual.net 6zLX/d1Tfe1+boyYLoRFZQchSOMiJqIFpkHz+O/+z+vfxymkQH User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190798 "Bill Leary" wrote in news:sNudnTZXc5nHSTbcRVn-vw@giganews.com: > "Derek Lyons" wrote in message > news:41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com... >> One of the classics is: Colossus: The Forbin Project (aka "The Forbin >> Project"). >> >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/ > > My favorite in this area. The book is even better, but this movie > shows that it is actually possible to adapt a book without trashing > it. > I would like to see a version of "The Computer Nut" by Betsy Byars. I used to have it on top of my computer at work so everyone could see it as they walked past. Thanks. -- GIT Groupie : http://gitgroupie.timchuma.com The Twits Give Me the Shits : http://twitsgivemetheshits.timchuma.com My Photos : http://photos.timchuma.com ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:45:48 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:45:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Trace: sv3-FRDhdKuMzzRP1mrncb3w/wqKulaUwU3/v+MoGiqfFHB19tVctMZhBmv4blMPTjjjszE27ju+vBsGxHZ!6J7958zCaWcJsVxzsvRDfoad7xU+j0/Y6OZVDl5e/DQRKREwdwcJVE8s9Kw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190799 "IPGrunt" wrote in message news:Xns95B1AD83C32EBeternalwrench@130.133.1.4... > Tim Chmielewski confessed in > news:Xns95B15312F9909chumadcsinetau@130.133.1.4: > > > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone > > know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > > > For example > > "The enemy is a computer. The images you see are materialisations of its > > energy. To destroy it press button for it's elimination, probable colour > > - RED!" > > Cosmos: War of the Planets > > (The evil computer tells the hero it will take over the galaxy if he > > replaces it's circuit board and he still does it anyway.) > > > > Thanks. > > > > There's great Hepburn and Tracy Movie from 1957 - Desk Set - that features a > rather flashy mainframe computer as a leading character, named Emerac. Sharp thinking. I was thinking considerably more violently "enemy," but they did view it as an "enemy," didn't they? Bit of trivia: EMERAC = Electromagnetic MEmory and Research Arithmetical Calculator. The name, at least, had a proper ring and "meaning" to it for a '50's computer. - Bill ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:37:31 -0600 From: William Hamblen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:41:26 -0600 Message-ID: References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.52.5.130 X-Trace: sv3-XoKWaxRqygbln8dFB9O2/ipjC2EjsIeIhgeRlAx7EfAeKbn7KPHJXZvaDLqew4kckAW8S5JKytPu6yH!X50hB023Y1Yz+JoRCXYK8y3e5P3UvLX1nXavF4EI71q3Lb5R6ZR8qrxAewwpRPrJQ85dxA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190802 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:45:31 -0500, Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: >On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: > >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: >> >>>OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... >> >> Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a >> computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way >> into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading >> straight through the library of manuals. > >There was some Doris Day movie featuring a computer, and it was one of >the earlier ones to do so. Can't remember the name. Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy were in a film called Desk Set where Hepburn headed the fact checking department of a TV network and Tracy was the computer scientist who installed a computerized database system. The last, I think, of the Tracy-Hepburn pictures except for Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, which wasn't in the same league. They managed to put an incredible amount of data on a handful of tab cards. At one point they queried the machine about Corfu and got, among other things, the awful poem "Curfew Must Not Ring Tonight"! ###### From: Kelli Halliburton Organization: There is no organization to the universe. Subject: Re: Computers in movies User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bellsouth.net X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: npbhgpngjbkmjfegdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcboakmhoiieopfepackbdaalclkoadmfajcimcpaflioplanlfajgcmjkmomijcakaahdmkcbhmblinojkbjojkbfpacibmbafbhbfbbgdbemghfool NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:07:09 EST Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:07:49 -0600 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bignumber.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews4.bellsouth.net.POSTED!20799313!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190804 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:34:28 +0000, Michael Wojcik wrote: > In article , Tim Chmielewski > writes: >> Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does anyone >> know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring role in? > > Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. > > I haven't seen anyone mention _Homewrecker_[1] yet, where a home > > Then there's _Hardware_[2], in which an artist in a post-apocalypic > > Despite its cult status, I must include the released version of _Dark > Star_. Not a *good* movie, however enjoyable. (The original student "Electric Dreams". A guy spills champagne on his computer and it becomes sentient. Hijinks ensue, including a bit of a romantic triangle involving a cello player. ###### From: ignatios@fourier.cs.uni-bonn.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:55:09 GMT Organization: HRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fourier.cs.uni-bonn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de 1101894909 32280 131.220.4.177 (1 Dec 2004 09:55:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uni-bonn.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:55:09 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news.uni-bonn.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190807 Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > There was another movie about a computer which controlled a building. I > can't remember the title of that one either, but I do remember one > scene where the computer killed someone by mashing them in an elevator. "De Lift", with the biochip computer which controlled the lift gone mad after being struck by lightning. (imdb:0087622) -is ###### From: greymaus@yahoo.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 1 Dec 2004 10:53:03 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Trace: individual.net 1XA+ZUhbwtW+nADeMqowJwXlIyazYIzSgmLDnN+HpVmzTojzfn User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Linux) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190814 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:23:30 -0500, Bill Leary wrote: >> Other watchable films were computers played a major role: TRON, > > I hated this movie. > >> Terminator (aka 'Revenge of the automated help desk systems'), > > Liked this one a lot. Didn't. The heroine's part made me think that this is one SERIOUSLY delusional person. [Terminator II] The bit about Network becoming self-intelligent made me think of the many over-hyped systems that never really worked. > >> Matrix ('Online RPG gone wrong'), > Twa's crap. Matrix++ , Crap++ > Didn't like this one much. > >> and one of my favourites: Avalon. > > And this is about the tenth time I've heard about this one. People seem to love > it or hate it. I've read the IMDb entry and comments on it, but I've never seen > it. What in particular, in the context of this thread (enemy computers) makes > is one of your favorites? > > - Bill > > -- greymaus 97.025% of statistics are wrong ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:32:23 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:32:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Trace: sv3-QNQ+hAh0eVRe8G7ZHEB5wQ+5svXHqqF917/v6e1GFVOwWa3TcW2X+8PM/k4tKK1h3rNOnrAVodzgtDi!c4dJ5jF1UDmW5PiWq1WE6tnUUV9EBYsLA8CRryhhhvQHTRBqXeEwNp990oQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190829 wrote in message news:slrncqphff.1bd.greymaus@darkstar.example.net... > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:23:30 -0500, Bill Leary wrote: > >> Terminator (aka 'Revenge of the automated help desk systems'), > > > > Liked this one a lot. > > Didn't. The heroine's part made me think that this is one SERIOUSLY > delusional person. I'd have liked that movie to end right after the crusher scene in the machine shop. > [Terminator II] > > The bit about Network becoming self-intelligent made me think of the > many over-hyped systems that never really worked. I think it struck a lot of computer professionals that way, especially programmers. - Bill ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:52:00 -0600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Subject: Re: Computers in movies Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 04 13:16:14 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.59.181.131 X-Trace: sv3-FzjmAFT0D46JPQV72saTlGYrNs6cny55nbmbx6I1FSgutRUiMco4LksDmO+Rn3I5L3rJ6/9HmLx0Fq1!KO+fb4PeIgr+s8g1wRE60ywz6oCJlqMd9+79cPzkPiN2BY0jpzO8WmnqdCQOflvlLA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.rcn.net!news.rcn.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190842 In article , "Bill Leary" wrote: > wrote in message >news:slrncqphff.1bd.greymaus@darkstar.example.net... >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:23:30 -0500, Bill Leary wrote: >> >> Terminator (aka 'Revenge of the automated help desk systems'), >> > >> > Liked this one a lot. >> >> Didn't. The heroine's part made me think that this is one SERIOUSLY >> delusional person. > >I'd have liked that movie to end right after the crusher scene in the machine >shop. > >> [Terminator II] >> >> The bit about Network becoming self-intelligent made me think of the >> many over-hyped systems that never really worked. > >I think it struck a lot of computer professionals that way, especially >programmers. Hey! Watch it, buster ;-). One of the more amazing things about this newsgroup is that we don't get very many hardware/software fights. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:12:34 -0800 Organization: Canine Computer Center Message-ID: <41ADD152.D21BAA32@plano.net> Reply-To: richmond@nospam.plano.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 42 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.hispeed.ch!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-10!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190828 Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > > On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > > > >>OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... > > > > Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a > > computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way > > into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading > > straight through the library of manuals. > > There was some Doris Day movie featuring a computer, and it was one of > the earlier ones to do so. Can't remember the name. > The movie was called "That Touch of Mink", and starred Cary Grant, Doris Day, Gig Young, and Audrey Meadows. A small piece of control panel was shown, but mostly the scene involved card handling equipment. > > Also, I think Dick van Dyke was in a movie where he used a non-descript > mainframe to embezzle money from a bank to give to good causes. I > include it because so many scenes had him directly operating the > computer. > > There was another movie about a computer which controlled a building. I > can't remember the title of that one either, but I do remember one > scene where the computer killed someone by mashing them in an elevator. > This movie starred Paul "What's his name" from "Mad About You". If old computer movies are discussed, don't forget "Desk Set", with Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn. This was one of the few movies that Sue Randall appeare in...she played Miss Landers on "Leave It to Beaver". -- +------------------------------- | Charles and Francis Richmond | richmond at plano dot net | Re-Defeat Bush!!! +------------------------------- ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:39:36 -0800 Organization: Canine Computer Center Message-ID: <41ADD7A8.EF89DB96@plano.net> Reply-To: richmond@nospam.plano.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news2.euro.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190832 Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > There was another movie about a computer which controlled a building. I > can't remember the title of that one either, but I do remember one > scene where the computer killed someone by mashing them in an elevator. > This movie was called "The Tower" and starred Paul Reiser of "Mad About You" fame. "Paper Man" may have included an elevator sequence, but the main plot of "The Tower" was taking over the building. -- +------------------------------- | Charles and Francis Richmond | richmond at plano dot net | Re-Defeat Bush!!! +------------------------------- ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:31:45 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:31:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-eQe2z571hUr4i7ReMZq6/Y+QCdDZLdnSa4PT+k3dV9MKZy9sHuQrR/cP+gRtaXmMadWxHh2sQMYaosk!plZNTZ8SMn2eTzoYR6hqfrRaqTcRHrQyD8rQ9H2jCHsz7DyD27RtFQVW9I4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190876 wrote in message news:ibCdnSRlF4gcUTDcRVn-qw@rcn.net... > "Bill Leary" wrote: > >I think it struck a lot of computer professionals that way, especially > >programmers. > > Hey! Watch it, buster ;-). One of the more amazing things about > this newsgroup is that we don't get very many hardware/software > fights. Perhaps because, since we deal in "folklore" we deal with people who are familiar with both? For instance, I'm a software engineer, but I've also designed, or helped design, a fair amount of hardware and debugged quite a lot that I didn't design. - Bill ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 01 Dec 2004 14:58:43 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 16 Sender: alderson+news@panix5.panix.com Message-ID: References: <41ad2744@nntp.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1101931123 22786 166.84.1.5 (1 Dec 2004 19:58:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:58:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 21.3 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!nntpfeed.zonnet.nl!feeder1.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190883 Chuck_Sterling writes: > Just happened to recall one that is on my shelf, _The Thirteenth Floor_, > having to do with virtual reality. A recent movie, I think. The computer(s) > is/are not the star(s), but is/are certainly central to the story. Based on the Galouye book _Simulacron-3_ which I read more than 40 years ago. The movie bears as much similarity to the book as _Blade Runner_ does to _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_, that is to say, slightly less than Peter Jackson's movies do to _LotR_. -- Rich Alderson | /"\ ASCII ribbon | news@alderson.users.panix.com | \ / campaign against | "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." | x HTML mail and | --Death, of the Endless | / \ postings | ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: Organization: Me, Myself and I From: Morten Reistad X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: mrr@pilt.reistad.priv.no (Morten Reistad) Message-ID: Lines: 31 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:00:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.217.159.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tele2.no X-Trace: juliett.dax.net 1101931202 193.217.159.243 (Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:00:02 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:00:02 MET Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!uio.no!193.216.69.35.MISMATCH!dax.net!juliett.dax.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190884 In article , Bill Leary wrote: > wrote in message news:ibCdnSRlF4gcUTDcRVn-qw@rcn.net... >> "Bill Leary" wrote: >> >I think it struck a lot of computer professionals that way, especially >> >programmers. >> >> Hey! Watch it, buster ;-). One of the more amazing things about >> this newsgroup is that we don't get very many hardware/software >> fights. I guess the particpants here got tired of the *.*.advocacy stuff around two decades before they started posting here. Most of them also have actually been in the trenches and fixed stuff, and have lost illusions about the capabilites of great corporate empires. One of the amusing things here are the differences in vocabulary. Nowadays IT terminology has converged a great deal, and have centered on a mixture of unix and academic terms. There are however a set of "true-blue" and "true-maroon" vocabularies here. Just try to describe dynamic linking for the crowd. >Perhaps because, since we deal in "folklore" we deal with people who are >familiar with both? > >For instance, I'm a software engineer, but I've also designed, or helped design, >a fair amount of hardware and debugged quite a lot that I didn't design. -- mrr ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:24:37 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:24:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: <9dmdnfJfxZUYtTPcRVn-sQ@giganews.com> Lines: 39 X-Trace: sv3-X3qpmbXa1ShPIB5IK1gLC/n/5gPj8mUQa2crCCmqHReUx5rOH9iJ/2NC9lgGfDV4ogBAm5CAq+EPlzJ!4MPp/OaGT43UZ0XEsT8sv/ADT4E7snqsSuEVLATD+LbUlvPcqas5S2h3dGc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190886 "Morten Reistad" wrote in message news:al7loc.a1q1.ln@via.reistad.priv.no... > In article , > Bill Leary wrote: > > wrote in message news:ibCdnSRlF4gcUTDcRVn-qw@rcn.net... > >> "Bill Leary" wrote: > >> >I think it struck a lot of computer professionals that way, especially > >> >programmers. > >> > >> Hey! Watch it, buster ;-). One of the more amazing things about > >> this newsgroup is that we don't get very many hardware/software > >> fights. > > I guess the particpants here got tired of the *.*.advocacy stuff around > two decades before they started posting here. Assuming I understand what you're driving at here (and I don't guarantee that I do since, hey, I was tired of this stuff about the time it got started) I think you're right. At least as much so as my point, and may be more so (or more universally so) than mine. > Most of them also have actually been in the trenches and fixed stuff, and > have lost illusions about the capabilites of great corporate empires. > > One of the amusing things here are the differences in vocabulary. Nowadays > IT terminology has converged a great deal, and have centered on a mixture of > unix and academic terms. > > There are however a set of "true-blue" and "true-maroon" vocabularies here. > Just try to describe dynamic linking for the crowd. I recall a discussion about DLLs I had with someone about ten years back. I was talking about Sun OS DLLs, and assumed he was too. He thought I was talking about Windows DLLs. When we sorted it out, it was amazing how many of the same words were used to mean almost the same things. - Bill ###### From: freddy1X Subject: Re: Computers in movies Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> <41ADD7A8.EF89DB96@plano.net> Lines: 38 User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:27:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.249.105.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1101954444 68.249.105.66 (Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:27:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:27:24 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed-fusi.netcologne.de!news.zanker.org!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!41226605!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190913 Charles Richmond wrote: > Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> There was another movie about a computer which controlled a building. I >> can't remember the title of that one either, but I do remember one >> scene where the computer killed someone by mashing them in an elevator. >> > This movie was called "The Tower" and starred Paul Reiser of "Mad > About You" fame. "Paper Man" may have included an elevator sequence, > but the main plot of "The Tower" was taking over the building. > Remember kiddies, in case of fire, or the computers going homicidal, use the stairs to evacuate the building. They can't be trusted in Sci-Fi movies. I have not seen "The Tower" or "Mad About You" to my recollection, but in "Paper Man" one of the CS students, a woman wants to use the elevator. Instead of stopping at her floor, the lift is about 3-2 feet down from the floor when the doors open and just sits there. When she finally tries to climb up, the doors close on her midway, pinning her, and the lift starts down again. Not a healthy place to be is it? Presumably all centrally computer controlled. And what do you say when you meet half a woman in an elevator? -- In event of fire or computer malfunction, use stairs /\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\/ /\ I may be demented \/ /\ but I'm not crazy! \/ /\<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\/ * SPAyM trap: there is no X in my address * ###### From: "Mabden" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <4LQqd.9853$Ua.8008@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.225.107.198 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com 1101986340 ST000 69.225.107.198 (Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:19:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:19:00 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: O@ZQB_WEPRUSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:19:00 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!4c7d47f5!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:190939 "William Hamblen" wrote in message news:dnkqq01k0v0tq1q5jub3e8qrrcsjqkajuk@4ax.com... > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:45:31 -0500, Charles Shannon Hendrix > wrote: > > >On 2004-11-30, William Hamblen wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:17:36 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > >> > >>>OK, maybe the computer had a co-starring role in these... > >> > >> Hot Millions - where Peter Ustinov plays a swindler who tries a > >> computerized embezzlement scheme. Ustinov's character lied his way > >> into a programming job and then taught himself the system by reading > >> straight through the library of manuals. > > > >There was some Doris Day movie featuring a computer, and it was one of > >the earlier ones to do so. Can't remember the name. > > Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy were in a film called Desk Set > where Hepburn headed the fact checking department of a TV network and > Tracy was the computer scientist who installed a computerized database > system. The last, I think, of the Tracy-Hepburn pictures except for > Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, which wasn't in the same league. They > managed to put an incredible amount of data on a handful of tab cards. > At one point they queried the machine about Corfu and got, among other > things, the awful poem "Curfew Must Not Ring Tonight"! > Grumpy, Happy, Sneezy, Sleepy, Dopey, Bashful, and Doc. They would always get that question at Christmas time. I was a nice movie from the B&W era. The old "computers will put everyone out of business" theme (but people are better). -- Mabden ###### From: prep@prep.synonet.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:05:23 +0800 Organization: none Lines: 17 Message-ID: <87llcg199o.fsf@prep.synonet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: grimiore.conceptual.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: nnrp.waia.asn.au 1102072219 3301 203.190.192.5 (3 Dec 2004 11:10:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp.waia.asn.au NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:10:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aWA4Rh4MrxfoerMWImDUPRk8ipg= Cache-Post-Path: grimiore.conceptual.net.au!unknown@203-190-195-006.dial.usertools.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!nntp.waia.asn.au!198.32.212.248.MISMATCH!nnrp.waia.asn.au!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191058 Tim Chmielewski writes: > Everyone knows about HAL from 2001 and the Terminator, but does > anyone know of any bad scifi movies that computers have a starring > role in? How about a very goof one? A for Amdromeda. Also brought us INTEL btw. Trade mark lawers take note. -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:56:09 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: g@todd.nu Cancel-Lock: sha1:21rk4iVZa/6OOcT3dO/nuvIOcuA= References: <060oq0t2k8dfvgpvtuvnioisomut6v4or8@4ax.com> <41ADD7A8.EF89DB96@plano.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!phb!nobody Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191163 On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:27:24 GMT, freddy1X wrote: > And what do you say when you meet half a woman in an elevator? "What's a nice girl like yo..." Next. Giles. -- Smooth or what. ###### From: mwojcik@newsguy.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 6 Dec 2004 13:39:23 GMT Organization: Micro Focus International Ltd Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid> Reply-To: mwojcik@newsguy.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@sen Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!mww Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191216 In article <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" writes: > In article , mwojcik@newsguy.com > (Michael Wojcik) writes: > > > Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. > > Boring, stupid, derivative. An utter failure of vision. Its > > popularity is a complete mystery to me. > > Good entertainment, though, given the proper suspension of disbelief. I wouldn't even grant it that. Some (though not all) of the kung fu choreography was OK, but it's done better in thousands of Hong Kong films. The gun fights are boring; machine guns are always boring in movies, as they're just a bunch of squibs exploding. Nothing interesting happens. The chase sequences aren't particularly inspired. And between those elements you get lots of idiotic cliche-stuffed filler. If you die in virtual reality, you really die! (This may be the single worst SF cliche ever.) We'll go see the Wise Old Black Woman! (Apparently she was rescued from one of those turn-of-the- century antebellum-nostalgia advertising campaigns.) We'll recite a bunch of sophomoric pop-philosophy Landmark Institute self-help pap to pretend this is some kind of intellectual tour de force! I'm glad you liked it, sure, but I'd rather watch a couple of old Shaw Brothers dubs than sit through that sort of self-indulgent crap. I can enjoy a Hollywood dumb action flic, but only if it sticks to its comfort zone. Trying to be smart and failing is the kiss of death. > > Most egregious flaw: after > >reawakening, the robot head assembles its body by magic machine > >telekinesis. Couldn't they just have had the artist build it a body? > >Machine TK is one of the lamest tropes in "science" fiction film - > >how many times must we see, say, power tools that not only turn > >themselves on, but then fly around the room hunting people down? > > This makes me feel a bit guilty about enjoying _The_Iron_Giant_. > But not quite. :-) Nah. _Iron Giant_ has special dispensation. For one thing, it's really children's fantasy, which is a different genre, just done in SF trappings. > >Despite its cult status, I must include the released version of _Dark > >Star_. Not a *good* movie, however enjoyable. (The original student > >film, which I understand lacks the beach-ball alien, might lie just > >outside bad-moviedom, I suppose.) > > Awww, c'mon. Any bomb that can argue existentialism can't be all bad. Oh, the bomb is one of the best characters in the film. And _Dark Star_ isn't all bad; I'm glad I have a copy. It's just not really good, either. -- Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@microfocus.com A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- David Bonde ###### From: Larry Elmore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.1.185.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: attbi_s01 1102473655 24.1.185.48 (Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:40:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:40:55 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:41:05 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!attbi_s01.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191289 Michael Wojcik wrote: > In article <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" writes: > >>In article , mwojcik@newsguy.com >>(Michael Wojcik) writes: >> >> >>>Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. >>>Boring, stupid, derivative. An utter failure of vision. Its >>>popularity is a complete mystery to me. >> >>Good entertainment, though, given the proper suspension of disbelief. > I wouldn't even grant it that. Some (though not all) of the kung fu > choreography was OK, but it's done better in thousands of Hong Kong > films. The gun fights are boring; machine guns are always boring in > movies, as they're just a bunch of squibs exploding. Nothing > interesting happens. The chase sequences aren't particularly inspired. > And between those elements you get lots of idiotic cliche-stuffed > filler. If you die in virtual reality, you really die! (This may be > the single worst SF cliche ever.) We'll go see the Wise Old Black > Woman! (Apparently she was rescued from one of those turn-of-the- > century antebellum-nostalgia advertising campaigns.) We'll recite a > bunch of sophomoric pop-philosophy Landmark Institute self-help pap > to pretend this is some kind of intellectual tour de force! > I'm glad you liked it, sure, but I'd rather watch a couple of old > Shaw > Brothers dubs than sit through that sort of self-indulgent crap. I > can enjoy a Hollywood dumb action flic, but only if it sticks to its > comfort zone. Trying to be smart and failing is the kiss of death. As one reviewer put it, it was filled with way too much pot-fueled dorm-room pseudo-philosophical BS. The cops should have raided the writers: "We know you're in there! Put down the bong and step away from script!" --Larry ###### Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bbreynolds@aol.comedxedl (Bruce B. Reynolds) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 08 Dec 2004 03:01:28 GMT References: <614.836T2645T5765866@kltpzyxm.invalid> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: usenet_offline-m03) Subject: Re: Computers in movies Message-ID: <20041207220128.23212.00000275@mb-m03.aol.com> Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191292 In article <614.836T2645T5765866@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" writes: >>> And what do you say when you meet half a woman in an elevator? >> >> "What's a nice girl like yo..." What's a nice girl like you doing in a piece like this. -- Bruce B. Reynolds, Trailing Edge Technologies, Glenside PA ###### Message-ID: <41B774DF.ED8D75AC@earthlink.net> From: jchausler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:40:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.157.20.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1102542032 4.157.20.177 (Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:40:32 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:40:32 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!2fb3b9aa!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191333 Dave Hansen wrote: > When I worked for Honeywell SSED in the latter half of the 1980's, we > named the PDP-11 systems controlling the direct-write-on-wafer e-beam > lithography systems "Snap," "Crackle," and "Pop." > > Maybe that's a little American-culture-centric... Speaking of selling named computers to the Brits and probably a little sick now but back in 1985 the two PDP-11's which we provided for the central control which ran the "Docklands Light Rail" system in London had network names of Chuck and Di. Chris AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE $$ ###### From: iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:07:39 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <41b77b11.454932468@News.individual.net> References: <614.836T2645T5765866@kltpzyxm.invalid> <20041207220128.23212.00000275@mb-m03.aol.com> X-Trace: individual.net DtrT8arTCoZZVNbzJbNhyw69ZgwHbWBqA0WblTuF3t90khC5M= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191334 On 08 Dec 2004 03:01:28 GMT, bbreynolds@aol.comedxedl (Bruce B. Reynolds) wrote: >In article <614.836T2645T5765866@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" > writes: > >>>> And what do you say when you meet half a woman in an elevator? >>> >>> "What's a nice girl like yo..." > >What's a nice girl like you doing in a piece like this. Rest in pieces... -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress is not. ###### From: "David Wade" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:09:42 -0000 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net> References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> <41B774DF.ED8D75AC@earthlink.net> X-Trace: individual.net pkrnvw43WgKvIoRt1JGMjwUTb9U4G8gqwJapnjNJQhJD17LRU= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191337 "jchausler" wrote in message news:41B774DF.ED8D75AC@earthlink.net... > > > Dave Hansen wrote: > > > When I worked for Honeywell SSED in the latter half of the 1980's, we > > named the PDP-11 systems controlling the direct-write-on-wafer e-beam > > lithography systems "Snap," "Crackle," and "Pop." > > > > Maybe that's a little American-culture-centric... > > Speaking of selling named computers to the Brits and probably > a little sick now but back in 1985 the two PDP-11's which we > provided for the central control which ran the "Docklands Light > Rail" system in London had network names of Chuck and Di. > The VMS cluster in Digital/Compaq/HP Warrington used to be composed of "ronny" and "regie" or collectivley "the crays"... > Chris > > AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE > $$ > > ###### From: "David Wade" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:12:00 -0000 Lines: 47 Message-ID: <31pjihF3dmat5U2@individual.net> References: <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Trace: individual.net VRhzScKcjy82v2jS5JbAxAmz2ERfd3qYm1yTqO1AiWearD870= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191338 "Larry Elmore" wrote in message news:XQttd.205330$HA.40007@attbi_s01... > Michael Wojcik wrote: > > In article <1699.830T2082T8625547@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" writes: > > > >>In article , mwojcik@newsguy.com > >>(Michael Wojcik) writes: > >> > >> > >>>Well, _The Matrix_, of course. What a stunningly awful film. > >>>Boring, stupid, derivative. An utter failure of vision. Its > >>>popularity is a complete mystery to me. > >> > >>Good entertainment, though, given the proper suspension of disbelief. > > I still think "the billion dollar brain" is my favourite.... > > > > I wouldn't even grant it that. Some (though not all) of the kung fu > > choreography was OK, but it's done better in thousands of Hong Kong > > films. The gun fights are boring; machine guns are always boring in > > movies, as they're just a bunch of squibs exploding. Nothing > > interesting happens. The chase sequences aren't particularly inspired. > > And between those elements you get lots of idiotic cliche-stuffed > > filler. If you die in virtual reality, you really die! (This may be > > the single worst SF cliche ever.) We'll go see the Wise Old Black > > Woman! (Apparently she was rescued from one of those turn-of-the- > > century antebellum-nostalgia advertising campaigns.) We'll recite a > > bunch of sophomoric pop-philosophy Landmark Institute self-help pap > > to pretend this is some kind of intellectual tour de force! > > > > I'm glad you liked it, sure, but I'd rather watch a couple of old Shaw > > Brothers dubs than sit through that sort of self-indulgent crap. I > > can enjoy a Hollywood dumb action flic, but only if it sticks to its > > comfort zone. Trying to be smart and failing is the kiss of death. > > As one reviewer put it, it was filled with way too much pot-fueled > dorm-room pseudo-philosophical BS. The cops should have raided the > writers: "We know you're in there! Put down the bong and step away from > script!" > > --Larry ###### From: Elliott Roper Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:41:55 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <091220042141559879%nospam@yrl.co.uk> Reply-To: Elliott Roper References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> <41B774DF.ED8D75AC@earthlink.net> <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.7.2 (Carbon/OS X) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!nospam Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191367 In article <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net>, David Wade wrote: > The VMS cluster in Digital/Compaq/HP Warrington used to be > composed of "ronny" and "regie" or collectivley "the crays"... I rather approved of the DEC UK's Decnet area being 42 -- I thought I would be the last on earth to mung my e-mail address. fsnospam$elliott$$ ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 09 Dec 2004 18:32:36 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 17 Sender: alderson+news@panix5.panix.com Message-ID: References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> <41B774DF.ED8D75AC@earthlink.net> <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net> <091220042141559879%nospam@yrl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1102635156 22128 166.84.1.5 (9 Dec 2004 23:32:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nobody X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 21.3 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!209.244.4.230!newsfeed1.dallas1.level3.net!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!panix!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191369 Elliott Roper writes: > In article <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net>, David Wade > wrote: >> The VMS cluster in Digital/Compaq/HP Warrington used to be >> composed of "ronny" and "regie" or collectivley "the crays"... > I rather approved of the DEC UK's Decnet area being 42 Clearly some deep thought went into that one. -- Rich Alderson | /"\ ASCII ribbon | news@alderson.users.panix.com | \ / campaign against | "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." | x HTML mail and | --Death, of the Endless | / \ postings | ###### From: ignatios@fourier.cs.uni-bonn.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 10 Dec 2004 11:49:01 GMT Organization: HRZ - University of Bonn (Germany) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <41aecf01.2528808@supernews.seanet.com> <294pq0tjls8eb45dhhej0to7surnohfseq@4ax.com> <41ac97f2.1736258703@News.individual.net> <41B774DF.ED8D75AC@earthlink.net> <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net> <091220042141559879%nospam@yrl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fourier.cs.uni-bonn.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de 1102679340 30534 131.220.4.177 (10 Dec 2004 11:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uni-bonn.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2004 11:49:01 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news.uni-bonn.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191401 Elliott Roper wrote: > In article <31pjihF3dmat5U1@individual.net>, David Wade > wrote: > >> The VMS cluster in Digital/Compaq/HP Warrington used to be >> composed of "ronny" and "regie" or collectivley "the crays"... > > I rather approved of the DEC UK's Decnet area being 42 Are there publishable topology maps of DEC's internal network? -is ###### From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSW.ab.ca Message-ID: <68jmr0hnsjsmhgsicrb695oj913epcn9pf@4ax.com> References: <9dmdnfJfxZUYtTPcRVn-sQ@giganews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:47:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1102794451 24.71.223.147 (Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:47:31 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:47:31 MST Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191456 On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:24:39 -0500 in alt.folklore.computers, "Bill Leary" wrote: >"Morten Reistad" wrote in message >news:al7loc.a1q1.ln@via.reistad.priv.no... >> In article , >> Bill Leary wrote: >> > wrote in message news:ibCdnSRlF4gcUTDcRVn-qw@rcn.net... >> >> "Bill Leary" wrote: >> >> >I think it struck a lot of computer professionals that way, especially >> >> >programmers. >> >> >> >> Hey! Watch it, buster ;-). One of the more amazing things about >> >> this newsgroup is that we don't get very many hardware/software >> >> fights. >> >> I guess the particpants here got tired of the *.*.advocacy stuff around >> two decades before they started posting here. > >Assuming I understand what you're driving at here (and I don't guarantee that I >do since, hey, I was tired of this stuff about the time it got started) I think >you're right. At least as much so as my point, and may be more so (or more >universally so) than mine. > >> Most of them also have actually been in the trenches and fixed stuff, and >> have lost illusions about the capabilites of great corporate empires. >> >> One of the amusing things here are the differences in vocabulary. Nowadays >> IT terminology has converged a great deal, and have centered on a mixture of >> unix and academic terms. >> >> There are however a set of "true-blue" and "true-maroon" vocabularies here. >> Just try to describe dynamic linking for the crowd. You mean like LPA libraries, shared segments, installed run time systems, installed library images, shared libraries, dynamic libraries, dynamic linked libraries. >I recall a discussion about DLLs I had with someone about ten years back. I was >talking about Sun OS DLLs, and assumed he was too. He thought I was talking >about Windows DLLs. When we sorted it out, it was amazing how many of the same >words were used to mean almost the same things. The nice thing about BSD code was that anyone could take it, remove the copyright notice, customize it, and incorporate it into products, like shared libraries/DLLs, lpr, NFS, ffs/NTFS, TCP/IP, memory mapped files. -- Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian[dot]Inglis{at}SystematicSW[dot]ab[dot]ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: "S.C.Sprong" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: 18 Dec 2004 00:22:51 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32hbirF3m89vmU2@individual.net> References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> X-Trace: individual.net hjPkIQh6yQWtbdhr1XG9XQRWMXq35wnk11xZqySN4ZQThA780= X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/5.3-STABLE (i386)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191664 Bill Leary wrote: >"S.C.Sprong" wrote [something] After a few weeks trying to think up a readable response, I give up. Everything that was on-topic in my post has been said before, best by John Dyson, and my taste in movies isn't worth the bother to explain. grtz, scs ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:38:50 -0600 From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <41adce58.2359571@supernews.seanet.com> <313cfvF3511voU1@uni-berlin.de> <32hbirF3m89vmU2@individual.net> Subject: Re: Computers in movies Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:39:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Trace: sv3-Ps6BDObq8QvG+O346MLfy/NXYAEUBqeY3vLDdhTQnDSFK6vlse8PinMoWfSGP9rCu1jB4efXmKK5Mdd!NUhVEHX5qhjBmnE8Ywle8j6VoFHAndr2WaxRO3zrLQszkdAuYYmm2q8QHMQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.22 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:191666 "S.C.Sprong" wrote in message news:32hbirF3m89vmU2@individual.net... > Bill Leary wrote: > >"S.C.Sprong" wrote [something] > > After a few weeks trying to think up a readable response, I give up. > Everything that was on-topic in my post has been said before, best by > John Dyson, and my taste in movies isn't worth the bother to explain. I know how you feel. I was just curious. Won't hurt me a bit not to have an answer. But thanks for trying. - Bill