From: gareth@paulwalton.fsnet.co.uk (gazzy) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: pharlap 286/386 Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:01:07 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1092780112 9249 127.0.0.1 (17 Aug 2004 22:01:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:181841 Does anybody have a copy of the full version NOT lite pharlap 286 dos extender SDK. I have the Lite version with VC++ 1.52 but i cannot debug with it. Can anybody tell me if the 386 will do the job or is this only compatible with 32 bit console apps. I am currentky working on a true 16 bit dos app. thanks for any help Gaz. ###### From: Alan Balmer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:10:44 -0700 Organization: Balmer Consulting Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: albalmer@spamcop.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de H2Q/tLAlR698l7b5xMiG7QCYTYCsnnX4Bo/eV4X3SCCPUqelkB Cancel-Lock: sha1:+av8cAYYy0snyfz+E+LdUwLtiCs= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:181846 On 17 Aug 2004 15:01:07 -0700, gareth@paulwalton.fsnet.co.uk (gazzy) wrote: >Does anybody have a copy of the full version NOT lite pharlap 286 dos >extender SDK. I have the Lite version with VC++ 1.52 but i cannot >debug with it. Can anybody tell me if the 386 will do the job or is >this only compatible with 32 bit console apps. > >I am currentky working on a true 16 bit dos app. > >thanks for any help > >Gaz. Does it have to be Pharlap? OpenWatcom (www.openwatcom.org) comes with several extenders: Free DOS extenders included! Open Watcom C/C++ and FORTRAN includes a number of royalty free and Open Source DOS extenders right out of the box. Thanks to Tenberry Software's gracious donation, the original DOS/4GW DOS extender from Watcom C/C++ and FORTRAN is included royalty free with the Open Watcom compilers. Also included is the now free CauseWay DOS extender developed by Michael Devore. Both binaries are included as well as complete source code in the source archives. Finally we have also included the free PMODE/W and DOS/32A DOS extenders as part of the package. -- Al Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:34:02 +0100 Organization: Home. Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de hVahmjgnyMq1Mp3V+7BxagpkmiMPajKQt8xvQd93Lx+cmY3KJz X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail User-Agent: tin/1.7.5-20040615 ("Gighay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.19 (i686)) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:181851 Alan Balmer wrote: >>Gaz. > Does it have to be Pharlap? OpenWatcom (www.openwatcom.org) comes with > several extenders: > OpenWatcom's also the second-best compiler for x86 I've come across - not as good as Intel's own C/C++ tools, but at least as good as GCC. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" ###### From: arargh407NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:47:24 -0500 Organization: Not Really! Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tcr64.dynip.ripco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: e250.ripco.com 1092793692 29456 209.100.226.64 (18 Aug 2004 01:48:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:48:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:181868 On 17 Aug 2004 15:01:07 -0700, gareth@paulwalton.fsnet.co.uk (gazzy) wrote: >Does anybody have a copy of the full version NOT lite pharlap 286 dos >extender SDK. I have the Lite version with VC++ 1.52 but i cannot >debug with it. Can anybody tell me if the 386 will do the job or is >this only compatible with 32 bit console apps. > >I am currentky working on a true 16 bit dos app. > >thanks for any help Try asking here: info@vci.com I think that they are who bought PharLap. vci.com still has the 386 extended listed in the products section, but the 286 version seems to be nowhere. In the past, vci directed me to someone who was selling the 286 version, however the description sounded like the Lite version, and the sales droid didn't really seem to know which way was up. Otherwise, ypu are pretty much SOL. -- Arargh407 at [drop the 'http://www.' from ->] http://www.arargh.com BCET Basic Compiler Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/index.html To reply by email, remove the garbage from the reply address. ###### Message-ID: <4122EA8C.FD27D440@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:38:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.132.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1092807511 12.76.132.23 (Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:38:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:38:31 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:181899 gazzy wrote: > > Does anybody have a copy of the full version NOT lite pharlap > 286 dos extender SDK. I have the Lite version with VC++ 1.52 but > i cannot debug with it. Can anybody tell me if the 386 will do > the job or is this only compatible with 32 bit console apps. > > I am currentky working on a true 16 bit dos app. Look up the djgpp system, at . Then you can use virtually the full set of GNU tools, including gcc and gdb. -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ###### From: iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:31:23 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4123814a.443445203@News.individual.net> References: X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de /R+fGsk64Upom2ER2Q8/7we2YOKi6CJDh/1OWKrigdrVGfJnQ= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:181987 On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:34:02 +0100, Pete Fenelon wrote: [...] > >OpenWatcom's also the second-best compiler for x86 I've come across - >not as good as Intel's own C/C++ tools, but at least as good as GCC. I never used Intel's tools, but Metaware's High C/C++ was awesome. Especially for embedded work. Don't know what happened to it, though. IIRC, Metaware sold it to Lineo so they (Metaware) could concentrate on Java and ARM products. Metaware's page opens to ARC International now, and Lineo's to Metrowerks. So it's probably gone. Sigh. Regards, -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress is not. ###### From: gareth@paulwalton.fsnet.co.uk (gazzy) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: 18 Aug 2004 14:50:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <4122EA8C.FD27D440@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1092865843 15803 127.0.0.1 (18 Aug 2004 21:50:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:182039 CBFalconer wrote in message news:<4122EA8C.FD27D440@yahoo.com>... > gazzy wrote: > > > > Does anybody have a copy of the full version NOT lite pharlap > > 286 dos extender SDK. I have the Lite version with VC++ 1.52 but > > i cannot debug with it. Can anybody tell me if the 386 will do > > the job or is this only compatible with 32 bit console apps. > > > > I am currentky working on a true 16 bit dos app. > > Look up the djgpp system, at . Then you > can use virtually the full set of GNU tools, including gcc and > gdb. is'nt the djgpp only for 32 bit console apps and not true 16 bit dos. Openwatcom looks good but will the environment replicate the msvc++ 1.52 with pharlap 286 this is what i am after. Will pharlap 386 do the same job. I am missing some source for libs i might add. cheers Gaz ###### Message-ID: <4123D52F.C281E5D6@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 References: <4122EA8C.FD27D440@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:15:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.138.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1092878159 12.76.138.253 (Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:15:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:15:59 GMT Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:182079 gazzy wrote: > CBFalconer wrote in message news:<4122EA8C.FD27D440@yahoo.com>... > ... snip ... > > > > Look up the djgpp system, at . Then you > > can use virtually the full set of GNU tools, including gcc and > > gdb. > > is'nt the djgpp only for 32 bit console apps and not true 16 bit > dos. Openwatcom looks good but will the environment replicate the > msvc++ 1.52 with pharlap 286 this is what i am after. It runs under 16 bit dos, but requires extended memory and a '386 up. A dpmi server is available. No windoze needed. Also run under FreeDos. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. USE worldnet address! ###### From: "Christian Schwarz" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:57:50 +0200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2qa9muFt25v0U1@uni-berlin.de> References: X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de y5huu0vYXeOCUCwH04AlrQegjQzPDEibgLjhQklpmWmx29Ogc= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:184544 Although not explicitely stated on their web site, Venturcom (www.vci.com) still offers the Pharlap 286 SDK. They sell it for $1000 or so. Keep in mind that you'll also need to purchase runtime-licenses if you want to sale an application including the extender. PS: MicroWay (www.microway.com.au/) also offers Pharlap 286 SDK. Unfortunately, they didn't not get to answer my 3 mails within 2 weeks or so. But maybe, you have more luck. Greetings, Christian ###### From: arargh409NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: pharlap 286/386 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:55:26 -0500 Organization: Not Really! Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <2qa9muFt25v0U1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tcr71.dynip.ripco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: e250.ripco.com 1094713010 4217 209.100.226.71 (9 Sep 2004 06:56:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 06:56:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: nightfall.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.tdl.com!news.mbo.net!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail Xref: nightfall.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:184545 On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:57:50 +0200, "Christian Schwarz" wrote: >Although not explicitely stated on their web site, Venturcom (www.vci.com) >still offers the Pharlap 286 SDK. They sell it for $1000 or so. Keep in mind >that you'll also need to purchase runtime-licenses if you want to sale an >application including the extender. The SDK used to be $499, and the minimum runtime-licenses was: -quote- Prior to deploying your product, you will need to purchase the 286 DOS-Extender Runtime Kit from Venturcom. The cost is $5000 and comes with 2000 runtime licenses. Additional runtime licenses cost $10 each. -/quote- > >PS: MicroWay (www.microway.com.au/) also offers Pharlap 286 SDK. >Unfortunately, they didn't not get to answer my 3 mails within 2 weeks or >so. But maybe, you have more luck. -- Arargh409 at [drop the 'http://www.' from ->] http://www.arargh.com BCET Basic Compiler Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/index.html To reply by email, remove the garbage from the reply address.