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I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.

By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
really that interesting.

Exception: if some fiction of recent vintage about computers happens to
be exceptional, that would be fine to mention.

I don't really know what time period to suggest.  I'm personally most
interested in books from 1980 and earlier.  

I'm also interested in research (white papers) as well, but will
maintain a separate list of those.

I will compile the list and repost them here after suggestions fizzle
out, and I plan on maintaining one even after that.

I personally don't care if you use the group or email, but if you use
the group it at least is likely to get recorded.

I will start the list myself:

Fiction

    Simulacron-3
    A Logic Named Joe

Non-fiction

    Fundamentals of Data Structures, 1976, Ellis Horowitz & Sartaj Sahni
    Digital Computer Programming, 1967, Peter A. Stark
    Digital Computer Components and Circuits, 1957, R. K. Richards

I collect non-fiction computer books, but unfortunately an excellent
local source just died a couple of years ago, before I could get all of
the titles they had there.  I've not found anything since.


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"Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message
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> By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.
> ((..omitted..))
> I will start the list myself:

"Must have" entry under this definition, in my opinion...

        "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
         Robert A. Heinlein, 1965 ("Worlds of If" magazine)

    - Bill

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From: mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson)
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In article <bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net>,
Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
>I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
>am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
>that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
>really that interesting.
>
>Exception: if some fiction of recent vintage about computers happens to
>be exceptional, that would be fine to mention.
>
>I don't really know what time period to suggest.  I'm personally most
>interested in books from 1980 and earlier.
>
>I'm also interested in research (white papers) as well, but will
>maintain a separate list of those.
>
>I will compile the list and repost them here after suggestions fizzle
>out, and I plan on maintaining one even after that.
>
>I personally don't care if you use the group or email, but if you use
>the group it at least is likely to get recorded.
>
>I will start the list myself:
>
>Fiction
>
>    Simulacron-3
>    A Logic Named Joe

_The Adolescence of P-1_,        Thomas J. Ryan


   Sneaking in as "exceptional", I would have
R.A.Lafferty's _Arrive at Easterwine, and the short stories
about Epiktistes; also some stories from Stanslaw Lem's _The
Cyberiad_ ... but those are debatable, could be just me.

>Non-fiction
>
>    Fundamentals of Data Structures, 1976, Ellis Horowitz & Sartaj Sahni
>    Digital Computer Programming, 1967, Peter A. Stark
>    Digital Computer Components and Circuits, 1957, R. K. Richards

   Knuth's ...Art..., oeuf corse.

   I will someday get around to reading Shannon's
information theory papers, then I'll know whether to suggest
them.

   There's a biography of Alan Turing out, titled _Enigma_,
with quite a lot of coverage of his work.

        Regards.        Mel.

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Bill Leary wrote:
> "Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote
>
> > By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.
> > ((..omitted..))
> > I will start the list myself:
> 
> "Must have" entry under this definition, in my opinion...
> 
>         "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
>          Robert A. Heinlein, 1965 ("Worlds of If" magazine)

I believe that is a reprint.  The original was in the Saturday
Evening Post.  Or am I confusing tales?

There is another one of interest, called something like "the
Machine", in which a world controlling computer shuts itself down
to save the human race, which has become totally dependant on it. 
That dates from the '30s, IIRC.

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Here in alt.folklore.computers,
Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> spake unto us, saying:

>I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.

I a science-fiction context, I rather like David Gerrold's book entitled
_When Harlie Was One_, and _The Adolescence of P1_ by Thomas J Ryan.

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     Applications analyst/designer/developer (14 yrs) seeking employment.
              See web site above for resume/CV and background.

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From: Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com>
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Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> wrote:
>>Non-fiction
>>
>>    Fundamentals of Data Structures, 1976, Ellis Horowitz & Sartaj Sahni
>>    Digital Computer Programming, 1967, Peter A. Stark
>>    Digital Computer Components and Circuits, 1957, R. K. Richards
> 
>   Knuth's ...Art..., oeuf corse.
> 
>   I will someday get around to reading Shannon's
> information theory papers, then I'll know whether to suggest
> them.
> 
>   There's a biography of Alan Turing out, titled _Enigma_,
> with quite a lot of coverage of his work.

"Alan Turing: The Enigma" if you mean the Hodges biography. Recommended.

A few I think are core to an AFC library:

The proceedings of HOPL and HOPL-II

A clutch of good books on architectures --
Early British Computers, Simon Lavington
The Origins of Digital Computers, Brian Randell
Automatic Digital Computers, Booth and Booth. 
Computer Structures: Principles and Examples by Siewiorek, Bell and Newell
Computer Architecture and Parallel Processing by Hwang and Briggs
Computer Architecture: Concepts and Evolution by Blaauw and Brooks
Computer Engineering: A DEC view of Hardware Systems Design by Bell, 
 Mudge and Macnamara

A selection of things from Bell Labs -- 
K&R, 1st edition.
Stroustrup, 1st edition.
Software Tools, by Kernighan and Plauger
The Practice of Programming, by Kernighan and Pike
Programming Pearls/More Programming Pearls, by Bentley.

The Mythical Man-Month by Fred Brooks

Supercade by Van Burnham - it's got nice pictures of old arcade games in it ;)

As much of the IEEE CS "Annals of the History of Computing" as you can
afford to download if you're not signed up for the Digital Library ;)

TAOCP, obviously.

"Common Lisp: The Language" by Steele.

TNHD, ideally an early edition before ESR became a nutter and tried
turning into The New Technolibertarian Elitist's Dictionary.

Organick, "The Multics System"
McKusick/Leffler/Karels/Quartermann, "Design and Implementation of the
4.3BSD Unix Operating System"
"The Dartmouth Time-Sharing System", author forgotten!
Tanenbaum, "Modern Operating Systems", 1st ed. 
Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks"

The Soul of a New Machine, always worth a read.
Fire In The Valley - first 2/3 of this is excellent.

Anything from Al Kossow's archive of obscure mini-related weirdness!

www.old-computers.com

pete
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> There is another one of interest, called something like "the
> Machine", in which a world controlling computer shuts itself down
> to save the human race, which has become totally dependant on it. 
> That dates from the '30s, IIRC.
> 

"The Machine Stops", EM Forster, 1909? 
http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~prajlich/forster.html

pete
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Richard Steiner <rsteiner@visi.com> wrote:
> Here in alt.folklore.computers,
> Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> spake unto us, saying:
> 
>>I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
> 
> I a science-fiction context, I rather like David Gerrold's book entitled
> _When Harlie Was One_, and _The Adolescence of P1_ by Thomas J Ryan.
> 

John Sladek's "Roderick" stuff. 

Fred Pohl's "Age of the Pussyfoot" - he even mentions Project MAC in the
intro, IIRC.

Chris Boyce's "Brainfix" - a splendidly dark and nasty little novel that
pre-dated "cyberpunk" by a few years - and was much, much more fun.

pete
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"Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message
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> Tanenbaum, "Modern Operating Systems", 1st ed.
> Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks"

I never liked tanenbaum on networks. It had problems[1] on the page about
CRCs and a few other oddities that were wrong. Personally I prefered Data
and Computer communications by stallings, a far better book.

[1] I can't remember what but I remember my sense of disgust at it when
trying to compute CRCs for ethernet packets. The actual 802.3 spec was much
better.
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Peter Ibbotson <spambox@ibbotson.co.uk> wrote:
> "Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message
> news:7qqlvb.drp.ln@fenelon.com...
> 
>> Tanenbaum, "Modern Operating Systems", 1st ed.
>> Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks"
> 
> I never liked tanenbaum on networks. It had problems[1] on the page about
> CRCs and a few other oddities that were wrong. Personally I prefered Data
> and Computer communications by stallings, a far better book.

The Stallings book wasn't terribly readable though - Tanenbaum's, for
all its faults, was at least one you could sit down and read through.


Add to the list Stallings' "Reduced Instruction Set Computers", a great
compilation of papers on early RISCs.

And of course Harland's "Rekursiv: Object-Oriented Computer
Architecture". Linn could never spell, but they make nice things ;)

pete
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"Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message
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> Peter Ibbotson <spambox@ibbotson.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message
> > news:7qqlvb.drp.ln@fenelon.com...
> >
> >> Tanenbaum, "Modern Operating Systems", 1st ed.
> >> Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks"
> >
> > I never liked tanenbaum on networks. It had problems[1] on the page
about
> > CRCs and a few other oddities that were wrong. Personally I prefered
Data
> > and Computer communications by stallings, a far better book.
>
> The Stallings book wasn't terribly readable though - Tanenbaum's, for
> all its faults, was at least one you could sit down and read through.


Compared to the IEEE specs it was, and it was pretty accurate (or at least
the bits I used).

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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 09:04:25 -0500 in alt.folklore.computers,
mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote:

>   There's a biography of Alan Turing out, titled _Enigma_,
>with quite a lot of coverage of his work.

"Enigma" by Robert Harris is a spy story about Bletchley Park, also a
movie scripted by Tom Stoppard. 

"Alan Turing: the Enigma" by Andrew Hodges is the bio; he also wrote a
short book titled "Turing"; the bio was the basis for the play
"Breaking the Code" by Hugh Whitemore, starring Derek Jacobi, which
was shortened for TV (Showcase/Masterpiece Theatre/BBC Scene) and is
available on video. 

Also: 
"Turing and the Computer", Paul Strathern, Arrow Books, 1997, and
Anchor Books "The Big Idea" series, 1999.

Turing Digital Archive at King's, Cambridge: 
http://www.turingarchive.org
other material at: 
http://www.turing.org.uk

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Mel Wilson wrote:

> There's a biography of Alan Turing out, titled _Enigma_,
> with quite a lot of coverage of his work.

Not the only book with that name involving Turing, before anyone gets
confused.

Pete

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Brian Inglis wrote:
> mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote:
 
>>   There's a biography of Alan Turing out, titled _Enigma_,
>>with quite a lot of coverage of his work.
 
> "Enigma" by Robert Harris is a spy story about Bletchley Park, also a
> movie scripted by Tom Stoppard.

Also the name of a non-fiction book about Bletchley Park, mentioning Turing
but not a biography.

> "Alan Turing: the Enigma" by Andrew Hodges is the bio; 

Pete

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Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:

> TNHD, ideally an early edition before ESR became a nutter and tried turning
> into The New Technolibertarian Elitist's Dictionary.

Then you mean _The Hacker's Dictionary_, edited by Mark Crispin, copyright 1984
or so.  Hard as hell to find in that form, so look for an *old* copy of the
Jargon File (as maintained by Guy Steele at MIT-AI and Don Woods at SAIL)--the
EMACS tape at Tim Shoppa's PDP-10 archive contains a copy.

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"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:401E6B90.85854C69@yahoo.com...
> Bill Leary wrote:
> > "Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote
> >
> > > By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.
> > > ((..omitted..))
> > > I will start the list myself:
> >
> > "Must have" entry under this definition, in my opinion...
> >
> >         "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
> >          Robert A. Heinlein, 1965 ("Worlds of If" magazine)
>
> I believe that is a reprint.  The original was in the Saturday
> Evening Post.  Or am I confusing tales?

I was reading the copyright page on my paperback edition.  The first entry
in the copyright list is the one I noted above.

According to the Heinlein Opus List it was written in March of 1965 and
published, in book form, in 1966.  The list also says it was published in
cut form in a magazine (it doesn't say what magazine) in 1965.

You are, perhaps, thinking of "The Worlds of Robert Heinlein," published in
1966, which was a compilation of reprints, althought I don't believe it
contained TMiaHM.

    - Bill

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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:
> 
>> TNHD, ideally an early edition before ESR became a nutter and tried turning
>> into The New Technolibertarian Elitist's Dictionary.
> 
> Then you mean _The Hacker's Dictionary_, edited by Mark Crispin, copyright 1984
> or so.  Hard as hell to find in that form, so look for an *old* copy of the
> Jargon File (as maintained by Guy Steele at MIT-AI and Don Woods at SAIL)--the
> EMACS tape at Tim Shoppa's PDP-10 archive contains a copy.

Yes; I've seen old copies of the GLS file (in fact substantial portions
of it appeared, with illustrations, in the UK magazine Practical
Computing in about 1981), but I think the first ESR version includes so
much new stuff about the unix/micro culture and almost all of the GLS
file that it's worth going for that.

pete
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:07:49 +0000, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:
>
>And of course Harland's "Rekursiv: Object-Oriented Computer
>Architecture". Linn could never spell, but they make nice things ;)

I keep looking at Rekursiv and thinking "with todays hardware technology 
this could be made to work properly...".  Of course no-one would be brave
enough to resurrect it :-(

-- 
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Stan Barr     stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
(Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)

The future was never like this!

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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:40:43 -0500 in alt.folklore.computers, Charles
Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:

>I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>
>By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
>am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
>that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
>really that interesting.

Faster than Thought, B.V.Bowden ed., Pitman, 1953. 
Management and the Computer of the Future, M.Greenberger ed., MIT,
1962. 
The Compatible Time-Sharing System: A User's Guide, F.J.Corbato, MIT,
1963. 
The Psychology of Computer Programming, Gerry Weinberg, VNR, 1971. 
The Multics System: An Examination of its Structure, E.I.Organick,
MIT, 1972. 
Structured Programming, O.-J.Dahl E.W.Dijkstra C.A.R.Hoare, AP, 1972. 
Pascal User's Manual and Report, K.Jensen N.Wirth, Springer, 1974. 
The Elements of Programming Style, B.W.Kernighan P.J.Plauger, AW,
1974. 
The Source Code Control System, M.Rochkind, IEEE Trans.Soft.Eng.,
1975. 
The Mythical Man-Month, F.P.Brooks,Jr., AW, 1975 2000. 
Software Tools, B.W.Kernighan P.J.Plauger, AW, 1976. 
Technical Aspects of Data Communications, J.E.McNamara, Digital, 1977.
A Commentary on the UNIX Operating System, John Lions, UNSW, 1977. 
Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition with Source Code, John Lions,
Peer-to-Peer, 1996. 
BCPL-the Language and its Compiler, M.Richards C.Whitby-Stevens, CUP,
1979. 
IBM-Colossus in Transition, Robert Sobel, Times, 1981. 
Fundamentals of Interactive Computer Graphics, J.D.Foley A.vanDam, AW,
1982. 
The Elements of Friendly Software Design, Paul Heckel, Warner, 1982. 
Memoirs of a Computer Pioneer, M.V.Wilkes, MIT, 1985. 
Computing Perspectives, M.V.Wilkes, Morgan Kaufmann, 1995. 
IBM's Early Computers, Bashe et al, MIT, 1986. 
A Few Good Men from UNIVAC, D.E.Lundstrom, MIT, 1986. 
The Matrix, John Quarterman, Digital, 1990. 
The Computer-My Life, Konrad Zuse, Springer, 1993. 
A Quarter Century of UNIX, P.H.Salus, AW, 1993. 
Casting the Net, P.H.Salus, AW, 1994. 
Computer, M.Campbell-Kelly W.Aspray, Basic, 1996. 
Before the Internet: Planning the ARPAnet, P.H.Salus ed.,
Peer-to-Peer, 1997. 
Before the Internet: Building the ARPAnet, BB&N, Peer-to-Peer, 1997. 
Before the Internet: Packet Communication, Bob Metcalfe, Peer-to-Peer,
1997. 

The Devil's DP Dictionary, Stan Kelly-Bootle, McG-H, 1981. 
The Computer Contradictionary, 2nd ed., Stan Kelly-Bootle, MIT, 1995. 

>I'm also interested in research (white papers) as well, but will
>maintain a separate list of those.

Edgser W. Dijkstra Archive @ Austin
Alan M. Turing Archive @ King's, Cambridge

-- 
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Mel Wilson wrote:

> In article <bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net>,
> Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
>>I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>>By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
>>am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
>>that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
>>really that interesting.
>>
>>Exception: if some fiction of recent vintage about computers happens to
>>be exceptional, that would be fine to mention.
>>
>>I don't really know what time period to suggest.  I'm personally most
>>interested in books from 1980 and earlier.
>>
>>I'm also interested in research (white papers) as well, but will
>>maintain a separate list of those.
>>
>>I will compile the list and repost them here after suggestions fizzle
>>out, and I plan on maintaining one even after that.
>>
>>I personally don't care if you use the group or email, but if you use
>>the group it at least is likely to get recorded.
>>
>>I will start the list myself:
>>
>>Fiction
>>
>>    Simulacron-3
>>    A Logic Named Joe
> 
> _The Adolescence of P-1_,        Thomas J. Ryan
> 
> 
>    Sneaking in as "exceptional", I would have
> R.A.Lafferty's _Arrive at Easterwine, and the short stories
> about Epiktistes; also some stories from Stanslaw Lem's _The
> Cyberiad_ ... but those are debatable, could be just me.

I think William Gibson's "The Difference Engine" should be included even
though it's recent--he looks at a much earlier era.

Several of Heinlein's stories are of interest as a reference to what a
technologically somewhat sophisticated layman believed computers would be
in the future.

>>Non-fiction
>>
>>    Fundamentals of Data Structures, 1976, Ellis Horowitz & Sartaj Sahni
>>    Digital Computer Programming, 1967, Peter A. Stark
>>    Digital Computer Components and Circuits, 1957, R. K. Richards
> 
>    Knuth's ...Art..., oeuf corse.

Also the TeX and Metafont books.

>    I will someday get around to reading Shannon's
> information theory papers, then I'll know whether to suggest
> them.
> 
>    There's a biography of Alan Turing out, titled _Enigma_,
> with quite a lot of coverage of his work.
> 
>         Regards.        Mel.

-- 
--John
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Mel Wilson wrote:

...

Has anyone mentiond Brunner's _Shockwave Rider_?  I forget the date, but 
most of his predictions have been so good it's scary.

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From: "Don Chiasson" <don_chiasson@notmail.com>
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"Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message
news:bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net...
>
>
> I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>
> By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
> am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
> that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it
isn't
> really that interesting.
>
> Exception: if some fiction of recent vintage about computers happens
to
> be exceptional, that would be fine to mention.
>
[snip...]

Non fiction:

For big iron, I suggest "IBM's 360 and Early 370 Systems" by
Pugh, Johnson and Palmer, 1991. Heavy reading but good
insights into how IBM created the 360 systems and a lot of
innovation.

"A few Good Men from Univac" by Lundstrom.

"Digital at Work"  Pearson (ed), 1992. The subtitle of this
book is "Snapshots from the first 35 years."  Lots of good
stuff, but t was written just before DEC imploded. Sad.

"The SAGE Air Defence System" by John Jacobs, 1986.

More recent: "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll 1989.

Fiction (the first two might be on the limit for AFC):

"Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland, 1995

"The Bug" by Ellen Ullman, 2003 (How a program bug
takes over a programmers life.)

"Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson 1992 (good cyberpunk).

The Wizard series of five books by Rick Cook. (Must read,
preferably in order! Very enjoyable fantasy / science fiction.
The word EMACS takes on an entirely new meaning. First
book written in 1989. The quality tapers off with the later
books, but still enjoyable.)

For video/DVD (I'm talking existence, not rating quality):

"Pirates of Silicon Valley" 1999. (Based loosely on "Fire
in the Valley" and "Insanely Great".)

"Anti Trust" 2000.

"Enigma" 2002 (Not well received in theatres but a
good picture of what working at Bletchley Park was
probably like.)

"Pi" 1998 (Bizarre low budget film!)

"Hackers" 1995 (No relation to Levy's book. Seems dated
because it came out just before the internet. At one stage
in the movie, a character is typing a command to his PC,
and he is using KERMIT.)

"Swordfish" 2001 (With a reference to a PDP-10 running ITS.)

Don C++
e-mail: it's not not, it's hot.

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Don Chiasson wrote:

> "Hackers" 1995 (No relation to Levy's book. Seems dated
> because it came out just before the internet. 

You missed out the "...hit the mainstream consciousness." :-)

Pete

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From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>
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In article
<UDBTb.99269$ef.50887@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, Don
Chiasson <don_chiasson@notmail.com> wrote:
 
> For video/DVD (I'm talking existence, not rating quality):
> 
If you are talking movies, then "The Dish" has to be in the list, not
only for Max Burnet's PDP-9, but for how it captures growing up geeky
in Australia. There was even a two tone cream and green Holden FE. You
can't get more authentic than that!

-- 
Swen has got to me. I thought I would be the last on earth to mangle my e-mail
address. fsnospam$elliott$$

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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:52:04 GMT, Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Mel Wilson wrote:
>
>...
>
>Has anyone mentiond Brunner's _Shockwave Rider_?  I forget the date, but 
>most of his predictions have been so good it's scary.
Yes!

Mid 70's, I think.  I would have to find my copy and check.
-- 
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BCET Basic Compiler Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/index.html

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In article <to2t109ls6bhm2unmss79lqup8vqhfln78@4ax.com>, Brian Inglis wrote:
> IBM's Early Computers, Bashe et al, MIT, 1986. 

Also "IBM's 360 and Early 370 Computers". I forget the author (my copy
is in a box somewhere).
-- 
Roger Ivie
rivie@ridgenet.net
(Rated a 10 on the Fox Scale of Forth-Hatred)

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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:40:43 -0500, Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote:
>
>
>I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>
>By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
>am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
>that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
>really that interesting.

The Computer:  My lifeswork  -- C. Zuse  

I bought a copy of it (in English, thank $DEITY) at the museum shop at
the Deutsche Museum.

--L

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From: Philip Newton <pne-news-200402@newton.digitalspace.net>
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:26:39 +0000, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com>
wrote:

> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> > Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:
> > 
> >> TNHD, ideally an early edition before ESR became a nutter and tried turning
> >> into The New Technolibertarian Elitist's Dictionary.
> > 
> > Then you mean _The Hacker's Dictionary_, edited by Mark Crispin, copyright 1984
> > or so.  Hard as hell to find in that form, so look for an *old* copy of the
> > Jargon File (as maintained by Guy Steele at MIT-AI and Don Woods at SAIL)--the
> > EMACS tape at Tim Shoppa's PDP-10 archive contains a copy.
> 
> Yes; I've seen old copies of the GLS file (in fact substantial portions
> of it appeared, with illustrations, in the UK magazine Practical
> Computing in about 1981), but I think the first ESR version includes so
> much new stuff about the unix/micro culture and almost all of the GLS
> file that it's worth going for that.

Around 2.9.8, perhaps? Or is that already too late?

That's the first version I read. (As a several-hundred-page printout.)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton <nospam.newton@gmx.li>
That really is my address; no need to remove anything to reply.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> writes:

> Non-fiction

Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine

great book about the design of a Data General mini computer

-- 
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
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Pete Fenelon (pete@fenelon.com) writes:
> 
> A few I think are core to an AFC library:
...
  Aho, Ullman (These are books I could never find)
  Horning, McKeeman, Wortman  for XPL
  Iverson  for APL
  Falkoff
  Gries
  Gordon(?) System Simulation
  C. J. Date  Database

  (I could go on, but most books are still packed.  B-)

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Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote:
> 
> I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
> 
> By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
> am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
> that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
> really that interesting.
> 
A couple I recommend that you add:

_From ENIAC to UNIVAC_, by Nancy Stern

and the book by Herman Goldstein with something about
Pascal in the title...I can't recall it right now.

You should Google for "computer history bibliography"...
there are *pages* on the web of the kind of books you
would like to include...

--
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
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>> IBM's Early Computers, Bashe et al, MIT, 1986. 
>
>Also "IBM's 360 and Early 370 Computers". I forget the author (my copy
>is in a box somewhere).

Pugh is a co-author of both of these and also "Memories that Shaped an Industry",
All MIT Press part of their series on History of Computing

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From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes)
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In article <87hdy86391.fsf@just.fgov.be>, Lieven Marchand  <mal@wyrd.be> wrote:
>Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> writes:
>
>> Non-fiction
>
>Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine
>
>great book about the design of a Data General mini computer
>
>-- 
>A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>A: Top-posting.
>Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?


Hackers, Steven Levy. I just searched bn.com to verify the spelling of
the authors name and I see that it looks like it's been updated as of
2001.  Since nothing interesting has happened in the last 3 years
I'm not going to rush out and buy a copy. ;-) 


-- 
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes@panix.com

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> Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine
>
> great book about the design of a Data General mini computer

Eclipse.

Absolutely agree.  I worked with five or six of these people years after the
Eclipse, and the book.  It portrayed them well, and the sorts of things they
(and we, later) worked on quite well.

    - Bill

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Al Dykes (adykes@panix.com) writes:
> In article <87hdy86391.fsf@just.fgov.be>, Lieven Marchand  <mal@wyrd.be> wrote:
>>Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> writes:
>>
>>> Non-fiction
>>
>>Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine
>>
>>great book about the design of a Data General mini computer
>>
>>-- 
>>A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>>Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>A: Top-posting.
>>Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
> 
> 
> Hackers, Steven Levy. I just searched bn.com to verify the spelling of
> the authors name and I see that it looks like it's been updated as of
> 2001.  Since nothing interesting has happened in the last 3 years
> I'm not going to rush out and buy a copy. ;-) 
> 
I took a look, after I heard that there was a new printing, and the
update is in the form of a new chapter at the end, sort of bringing the
main characters up to date.  I must have decided it wasn't worth spending
the money on.

I liked his "Insanely Great", about the Macintosh, though I waited till
a few years ago when I found it at a book clearance.  It goes back to
detail some of the beginnings, like the first mouse, along the way of
telling the story of the Mac.

I also read his Crypto out of the library last year, and picked up a copy
a month ago for five dollars at a book clearance.  Knowning nothing of
the field, it seemed like a good intro to the topic.  It primed me
for getting David Kahn's "The Codebreakers", at a used book sale, though
as pointed out by a passerby, it's the truncated paperback version.

There have been an awful lot of books about Apple, often dating back to
when the Mac was relatively new.  I can't remember titles, and when I read
the ones I did, they didn't seem too memorable.  I did recently find I
hadn't gotten rid of one novelty.  About 1994 there was  a pocketbook
size paperback entitled "Woz" that in form (I don't remember content)
practically treated him like a rockstar.  It just seemed like a quicky
bio, like you'd see about anyone who's risen up fast.  And of course,
none of that "trade paperback" stuff, but a real pocket size printing.

There have been a number of books about Xerox, including that one
with a title like "Fumbling the Future" which I did read and have
somewhere around.

I liked "Programmers at Work", by Susan Lammers, that was put out
by Microsoft Press back in 1986.  INterviews with programmers from
the small computer era, covering history that had recently passed or
was still taking place.

I have only dipped into it, but a couple of years ago I got cheap
"Portraits in Silicon" by Robert Slater.  It's somewhat of a similar
book, in that it has small chapters about people key to computers, though
not interview fashion.  But it's more encompassing, going back to some
key people (like Babbage and Claude Shannon) from before computers, and
covering mainframes and software and even small computers.

On the small computer field, I always liked "Digital Deli" from 1984 or 85.
Almost magazine style articles, with plenty of photos, though I believe
they were written for the book, by various people in the small computer
field.  Again, from a time when the history wasn't that far in the past.
So things like obscure small computers are in there, when a later book
would list them as a footnote, if at all.

"The Home Computer Wars" is by a Commodore employee. from 1984, is
a history of Commodore, though mainly of the period when the C64 and
VIC-20 were coming out.

Ted Nelson's "Computer Lib / Dream Machines" is certainly novel because
it's a book about home computers before they really existed.  Though,
it's very large size and layout scheme means I've barely dipped into it.
His "The Home Computer Revolution" is a more traditional format, but
also more oriented to real things.  There were plenty of books at that
time in mass paperback about "101 Things You Can Do with Your Computer"
or "How to Buy Your First Computer" which weren't worth keeping since
they were never that useful, but at least "The Home Cmputer Revolution"
is from Ted Nelson.

Adam Osborne's "An Introduction to Micromputers" in two volumes, has
to be an important book about microcomputers.  I've barely read the first
volume, but the second volume is about the actual CPUs, and I keep it
handy for reference.  I do wish I'd grabbed a later version that I
think covered 16-bit CPUs.

I liked "Where Wizards Stay Up Late" by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon,
about the origins of the Internet (as dating back to ARPANET days).
I wish I'd grabbed a copy of her book about The Well.

   Michael

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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:08:20 GMT, "Don Chiasson"
<don_chiasson@notmail.com> wrote:

[...]
>"Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson 1992 (good cyberpunk).

If you can handle Snow Crash, you should include Cryptonomicon,
especially since so much of the action takes place at Bletchley Park.

Regards,

                               -=Dave
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iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) writes:
> If you can handle Snow Crash, you should include Cryptonomicon,
> especially since so much of the action takes place at Bletchley Park.

wasn't neal working on xanadu about the time autodesk bought it?
... or am i thinking of another sf author?

-- 
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<arargh402NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:52:04 GMT, Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Mel Wilson wrote:
> >
> >...
> >
> >Has anyone mentiond Brunner's _Shockwave Rider_?  I forget the date, but
> >most of his predictions have been so good it's scary.
> Yes!
>
> Mid 70's, I think.  I would have to find my copy and check.

Yes, right.  My copy says 1975...

    Reed

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Bill Leary wrote:
> 
> > Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine
> >
> > great book about the design of a Data General mini computer
> 
> Eclipse.
> 
> Absolutely agree.  I worked with five or six of these people years after the
> Eclipse, and the book.  It portrayed them well, and the sorts of things they
> (and we, later) worked on quite well.
> 
The difficult computer designer in the book was a founder
of Convex Computer, now a subsidiary of HP. ISTR that at
one time, he had paperback copies of the Kidder book handed
out to anyone who came in the lobby of Convex for free...

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Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:

> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:

>>> TNHD, ideally an early edition before ESR became a nutter and tried
>>> turning into The New Technolibertarian Elitist's Dictionary.

>> Then you mean _The Hacker's Dictionary_, edited by Mark Crispin,
>> copyright 1984 or so.  Hard as hell to find in that form, so look for
>> an *old* copy of the Jargon File (as maintained by Guy Steele at
>> MIT-AI and Don Woods at SAIL)--the EMACS tape at Tim Shoppa's PDP-10
>> archive contains a copy.

> Yes; I've seen old copies of the GLS file (in fact substantial
> portions of it appeared, with illustrations, in the UK magazine
> Practical Computing in about 1981), but I think the first ESR version
> includes so much new stuff about the unix/micro culture and almost all
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> of the GLS file that it's worth going for that.

My point exactly.

It's too bad that the folks at Bell Labs didn't have an archive of their
jargon, isn't it?

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Lieven Marchand wrote:

> 
> 
> Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine
> 
> great book about the design of a Data General mini computer
> 

Second that.

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:23:40 -0500, "Reed Mihaloew"
<mihaloew@mitre.org> wrote:

><arargh402NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com> wrote in message
>news:741u10dm327vrh8qna8r9s9g34mguncg1o@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:52:04 GMT, Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Mel Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> >...
>> >
>> >Has anyone mentiond Brunner's _Shockwave Rider_?  I forget the date, but
>> >most of his predictions have been so good it's scary.
>> Yes!
>>
>> Mid 70's, I think.  I would have to find my copy and check.
>
>Yes, right.  My copy says 1975...
>
Thanks.  Saves me from having to look.

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In article <bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net>
           cshSPAM@SPAM.widomaker.com "Charles Shannon Hendrix" writes:

> Exception: if some fiction of recent vintage about computers happens to
> be exceptional, that would be fine to mention.

One novel I would put into this category is entitled F2F, and is by
(IIRC) Philip(?) Finch.

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On 2004-02-04, Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net>
>            cshSPAM@SPAM.widomaker.com "Charles Shannon Hendrix" writes:
>
>> Exception: if some fiction of recent vintage about computers happens to
>> be exceptional, that would be fine to mention.
>
> One novel I would put into this category is entitled F2F, and is by
> (IIRC) Philip(?) Finch.

I had meant to say non-fiction above.  Non-ficton about old computers.

Mostly what I wanted was to see what people here thought.

I could look a lot of things as one suggested, but then it wouldn't
really be an AFC book list.

People tend to give lists of things they have actually read.

I have books I've never found on a bibliography list, and that is
another reason I posted this question.

I definitely do look in bibliographies though.


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Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message news:<bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net>...
> Fiction

Not directly computer related, but a golden age story about
complexity that is remarkably applicable to software debugging:

   "A Subway Named Mobius", 1950, AF Deutsch.

Tim.

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From: Frank McConnell <fmc+afc20040204@reanimators.org>
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Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
> I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.

> By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.  I
> am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
> that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it isn't
> really that interesting.

How about humor?

Faith, Hope and Parity
Jack Moshman (ed.)
Thompson Book Co., 1966

A collection of parodies, poetry, and cartoons from Datamation magazine
in the early to mid 1960s.  Yes, it includes the Kludge articles.

-Frank McConnell

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From: Gene Wirchenko <genew@mail.ocis.net>
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Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>Lieven Marchand wrote:

>> Tracy Kidder: The Soul of a New Machine
>> 
>> great book about the design of a Data General mini computer

>Second that.

     Quite.  My complaint is that it does not have an index, meaning
that I consider it a reference book.  

     Charles: great topic idea.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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     You have biases.
     He/She has prejudices.

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In article <bvss7c$ssh$1@daemonweed.reanimators.org>
fmc+afc20040204@reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) writes:

>Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>>
>> By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.
>> I am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
>> that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it
>> isn't really that interesting.
>
>How about humor?
>
>Faith, Hope and Parity
>Jack Moshman (ed.)
>Thompson Book Co., 1966
>
>A collection of parodies, poetry, and cartoons from Datamation magazine
>in the early to mid 1960s.  Yes, it includes the Kludge articles.

An obscure book on my shelf is "The Universal Elixir and Other
Computing Projects Which Failed" by Robert L. Glass.  It was
published by Computerworld, a trade rag of the '70s, and is
a collection of columns that appeared in that paper under the
pseudonym "Miles Benson", which made for interesting, entertaining,
and instructive reading.  I don't know how easy this book would be
to find nowadays - the only identifying markings it bears are the
Computerworld logo on the cover and a note inside saying "Copyright
1976 by Computeworld, Inc., 797 Washington St., Newton, Mass., 02160"
I got it through a mail-order offer from Computerworld, and it now
occupies a cherished position on my shelf alongside "The Mythical
Man-Month".

Another humourous occupant of that shelf - and one that might be
easier to find - is "The Devil's DP Dictionary" by Stan Kelly-Bootle
(McGraw-Hill, 1981).  Highly recommended.

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On 2004-02-04, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message news:<bdrkvb.gu7.ln@escape.shannon.net>...
>> Fiction
>
> Not directly computer related, but a golden age story about
> complexity that is remarkably applicable to software debugging:
>
>    "A Subway Named Mobius", 1950, AF Deutsch.

You are the third person to tell me about that in the last 10 years.

I keep putting off looking for it.

I suppose this will be third strike if I don't do it now...




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On 2004-02-05, Gene Wirchenko <genew@mail.ocis.net> wrote:

>      Charles: great topic idea.

So far I've collected a huge list.  In the process of weeding a few out
and trying to find descriptions.  Might have to abort on that: lot's of
time involved.

I'm also interested in finding a list of IBM's computer hardware and
software books.  They published quite a bit, but they are hard to find.
I have tried their website, but wasn't able to find much.  In fact, I
think their website is very poor.  You'd think IBM would do better.
Sun's site is a mess too.

I used to make trips to DC, because a library up there had an entire
section of nothing but books from IBM, Sperry, etc.  

If I'm not mistaken, some of these company-books covered history, not
just purely technical subjects, but that could just be my memory of
something nearby.

The NASA LaRC technical library used to have a lot of stuff, but the
last time I went it appeared they had removed a lot of their books.


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Charlie Gibbs posted:
>>
An obscure book on my shelf is "The Universal Elixir and Other
Computing Projects Which Failed" by Robert L. Glass.  It was
published by Computerworld, a trade rag of the '70s, and is
a collection of columns that appeared in that paper under the
pseudonym "Miles Benson", which made for interesting, entertaining,
and instructive reading.  I don't know how easy this book would be
to find nowadays - the only identifying markings it bears are the
Computerworld logo on the cover and a note inside saying "Copyright
1976 by Computeworld, Inc., 797 Washington St., Newton, Mass., 02160"
I got it through a mail-order offer from Computerworld, and it now
occupies a cherished position on my shelf alongside "The Mythical
Man-Month".
>>

  A check of the bookselling site, www.bookfinder.com, lists several
booksellers with copies of "The Universal Elixir...".
Prices are reasonable and it looks as if it has been reprinted.
--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada  af877@freenet.carleton.ca
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From: Tony Lima <TonyLima2@att.net>
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:47:10 GMT, iddw@hotmail.com (Dave
Hansen) wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:08:20 GMT, "Don Chiasson"
><don_chiasson@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>[...]
>>"Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson 1992 (good cyberpunk).
>
>If you can handle Snow Crash, you should include Cryptonomicon,
>especially since so much of the action takes place at Bletchley Park.

Actually I sort of liked "The Diamond Age" too.

In the fiction category:

William Gibson's trilogy (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa
Overdrive)
Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
"Interrupt" by Toni Dwiggins

Nonfiction:

"The Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll.

Apologies if any/all the above are repeats. - Tony

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On 05 Feb 04 13:50:03 -0800 in alt.folklore.computers, "Charlie Gibbs"
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

>In article <bvss7c$ssh$1@daemonweed.reanimators.org>
>fmc+afc20040204@reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) writes:
>
>>Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to collect a list of books related to AFC's charter.
>>>
>>> By this I mean (old) fiction and non-fiction books about computers.
>>> I am not interested in recent stuff, mainly because I can easily find
>>> that, and there is so much stuff now that talks about computers it
>>> isn't really that interesting.
>>
>>How about humor?
>>
>>Faith, Hope and Parity
>>Jack Moshman (ed.)
>>Thompson Book Co., 1966
>>
>>A collection of parodies, poetry, and cartoons from Datamation magazine
>>in the early to mid 1960s.  Yes, it includes the Kludge articles.
>
>An obscure book on my shelf is "The Universal Elixir and Other
>Computing Projects Which Failed" by Robert L. Glass.  It was
>published by Computerworld, a trade rag of the '70s, and is
>a collection of columns that appeared in that paper under the
>pseudonym "Miles Benson", which made for interesting, entertaining,
>and instructive reading.  I don't know how easy this book would be
>to find nowadays - the only identifying markings it bears are the
>Computerworld logo on the cover and a note inside saying "Copyright
>1976 by Computeworld, Inc., 797 Washington St., Newton, Mass., 02160"
>I got it through a mail-order offer from Computerworld, and it now
>occupies a cherished position on my shelf alongside "The Mythical
>Man-Month".

ISBN 0686236092 $10 on Amazon. 

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On 2004-02-11, Tony Lima <TonyLima2@att.net> wrote:

> In the fiction category:
>
> William Gibson's trilogy (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa
> Overdrive)
> Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
> "Interrupt" by Toni Dwiggins

These are all a bit too new and not fitting too well with AFC.

That's just my opinion of course.  If enough people here disagree, I'll
put them in the list.

> Nonfiction:
>
> "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll.

That's closer.

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Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
> On 2004-02-11, Tony Lima <TonyLima2@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> In the fiction category:
>>
>> William Gibson's trilogy (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa
>> Overdrive)
>> Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
>> "Interrupt" by Toni Dwiggins
> 
> These are all a bit too new and not fitting too well with AFC.
> 
> That's just my opinion of course.  If enough people here disagree, I'll
> put them in the list.

I think Rucker definitely deserves to go in. Gibson I'm not so sure
about. Rucker identifies with hacker culture, Gibson's just a magpie
picking up shiny words.

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Tony Lima wrote:
> Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
> 

There's a list at   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Rucker

Should I just start with the earliest and work forwards?

 - Larry Weiss

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Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:

> Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote:
>> On 2004-02-11, Tony Lima <TonyLima2@att.net> wrote:

>>> In the fiction category:

>>> William Gibson's trilogy (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive)
>>> Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
>>> "Interrupt" by Toni Dwiggins

>> These are all a bit too new and not fitting too well with AFC.

I agree with this.

>> That's just my opinion of course.  If enough people here disagree, I'll
>> put them in the list.

> I think Rucker definitely deserves to go in. Gibson I'm not so sure
> about. Rucker identifies with hacker culture, Gibson's just a magpie
> picking up shiny words.

Oddly enough, I feel like Rucker is a "me too m3 t00" hack, while Gibson is a
decent writer.  If either were to be included in *my* list, Gibson would win
hands down.

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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> 
> Oddly enough, I feel like Rucker is a "me too m3 t00" hack, while Gibson is a
> decent writer.  If either were to be included in *my* list, Gibson would win
> hands down.
> 

Gibson is a much better writer than Rucker, no dispute there. Parts of
Neuromancer get close to a Chandleresque style, but I think the idea
content of his later books was pretty minimal. But Rucker is a practising
mathematician, his early stuff (certainly White Light and Software) are,
at least to me, fun books about hacker creativity.

pete
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On 2004-02-17, Larry__Weiss <lfw@airmail.net> wrote:
> Tony Lima wrote:
>> Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
>> 
>
> There's a list at   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Rucker

I'll have to check that out.


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On 2004-02-17, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:

>> These are all a bit too new and not fitting too well with AFC.
>> 
>> That's just my opinion of course.  If enough people here disagree, I'll
>> put them in the list.
>
> I think Rucker definitely deserves to go in. Gibson I'm not so sure
> about. Rucker identifies with hacker culture, Gibson's just a magpie
> picking up shiny words.

Rucker is good, though not a great writer.

I like Gibson.  Most stories that talk about technology are like a
rendered scene: too clean.  Gibson puts dirt on it, and makes it
real, even if it is highly stylized.

One must also remember that Neuromancer was written long before Internet
use became a public thing.  It was in that sense visionary, even if the
exact method of access was not.

Also, give it time... I fully expect the Internet will become mostly a
console for most people.

I hate that idea myself, but I see it happening.  Eventually, people
will lose their fascination with the technology and just treat it like a
blender.



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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:51:03 -0600, Larry__Weiss
<lfw@airmail.net> wrote:

>Tony Lima wrote:
>> Everything Rudy Rucker has ever written
>> 
>
>There's a list at   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Rucker
>
>Should I just start with the earliest and work forwards?

I'll only comment on those I've read:  Software, Wetware and
Freeware are a trilogy; probably best to read them together
in that sequence.  Masters of Space and Time is strange as
is Saucer Wisdom.  That's strange for Rucker, well off the
"ordinary strange" scale. The Hacker and the Ants is not bad
but the title gives too much away. And The Hollow Earth is
just not very much fun.

Thanks for the pointer to this page.  I'm off to collect the
rest of the set! - Tony

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:44:34 +0000, Pete Fenelon
<pete@fenelon.com> wrote:

>Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oddly enough, I feel like Rucker is a "me too m3 t00" hack, while Gibson is a
>> decent writer.  If either were to be included in *my* list, Gibson would win
>> hands down.
>> 
>
>Gibson is a much better writer than Rucker, no dispute there. Parts of
>Neuromancer get close to a Chandleresque style, but I think the idea
>content of his later books was pretty minimal. But Rucker is a practising
>mathematician, his early stuff (certainly White Light and Software) are,
>at least to me, fun books about hacker creativity.

Also, I believe Rudy's been writing his stuff a lot longer
than Gibson. - Tony "moldies, anyone?" Lima
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