From: "George R. Gonzalez" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.118.173.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1065623985 24.118.173.60 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:45 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:45 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153051 Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? Not an emulator, the real thing. Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... Thanks, George ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:57:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1065635876 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:57:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:57:56 MDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153071 On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:45 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: >Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? > > Not an emulator, the real thing. > >Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... No - it was a page mode screen, not line mode, so did not support scrolling, but did support buffer addressing. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1065639657 12.240.77.188 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:00:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:00:57 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:00:58 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153076 Approximately 10/8/03 07:39, George R. Gonzalez uttered for posterity: > Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? > > Not an emulator, the real thing. > > Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... Can't imagine why it would need one, since all of the 3270's were block mode. I guess you could make one appear to scroll, just to confuse the unix wienies, but in reality you'd just be playing with buffer addressing in block mode. ###### Message-ID: <3F84A1FD.37FFB3AF@yahoo.com> From: Peter Flass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:45:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.194.50.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1065656741 24.194.50.82 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:45:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:45:41 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com!news-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153090 "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: > > Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? > > Not an emulator, the real thing. > > Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... > I can get a list. Believe it or not, we still have a lot of 3270s -- I *said* we were a museum. The question is, what 3270 do you want? A 3278 is probably a "real" 3270, we have 3279s(?) 2390s (with and without APL keyboard), and 3270s with a "text keyboard", and others. You could also look at a 3270 emulator. For example PCOM has a keyboard configuration tool that will pull up a list of all possible keys. I probaby could fax you a page or so from a manual if Al. K. doesn't have one online. E-mail me privately if I can help. ###### Message-ID: <3F84A385.CF405C52@yahoo.com> From: Peter Flass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:52:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.194.50.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1065657134 24.194.50.82 (Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:52:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:52:14 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com!news-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153092 Brian Inglis wrote: > > On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:45 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, > "George R. Gonzalez" > wrote: > > >Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? > > > > Not an emulator, the real thing. > > > >Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... > > No - it was a page mode screen, not line mode, so did not support > scrolling, but did support buffer addressing. > MVS consoles simulate scrolling plus a fixed command input line. Not too hard to program. CMS "scrolls" by pages. It writes from top-to-botton and then allows the user to clear the screen for more, or it will automatically clear after a delay unless the user presses "enter" to hold the screen, sort of a built-in "more". ###### From: "George R. Gonzalez" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F84A1FD.37FFB3AF@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <7S1hb.710909$Ho3.157577@sccrnsc03> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.118.173.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1065658883 24.118.173.60 (Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:21:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:21:23 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:21:23 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153096 many thanks, Peter. A keybaord picture or map of a 3278 would be *perfect*. I did a rather extensive Web search, but found no actual 3270 keyboard descriptions. Lots of Emulators, with half-done keyboard mappings, but no true 3270 keyboard layout. Weird. ANything you can find would be appreciated. Regards, George > The question is, what 3270 do you want? A 3278 is probably a "real" > 3270, we have 3279s(?) 2390s (with and without APL keyboard), and 3270s > with a "text keyboard", and others. You could also look at a 3270 > emulator. For example PCOM has a keyboard configuration tool that will > pull up a list of all possible keys. > > I probaby could fax you a page or so from a manual if Al. K. doesn't > have one online. E-mail me privately if I can help. ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? References: <3F84A1FD.37FFB3AF@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3F84A1FD.37FFB3AF@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 62 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1065661960 12.240.77.188 (Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:12:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:12:40 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:12:40 GMT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153100 Approximately 10/8/03 16:45, Peter Flass uttered for posterity: > "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: >> >> Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? >> >> Not an emulator, the real thing. >> >> Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... >> > > I can get a list. Believe it or not, we still have a lot of 3270s -- I > *said* we were a museum. > The question is, what 3270 do you want? A 3278 is probably a "real" > 3270, we have 3279s(?) 2390s (with and without APL keyboard), and 3270s > with a "text keyboard", and others. You could also look at a 3270 > emulator. For example PCOM has a keyboard configuration tool that will > pull up a list of all possible keys. > > I probaby could fax you a page or so from a manual if Al. K. doesn't > have one online. E-mail me privately if I can help. A 3278 is a second generation "3270", the one where the keystrokes from an Op/Release keyboard are sent to the controller as an event. The controller asks what happened and the terminal responds with "someone hit a key" or "someone let go of a key that was previously in the down position". Then the controller whacks the terminal with a feature read to find out what kind of keyboard. Then the controller asks the terminal what particular key [the feature read and keyboard read may be backwards, too lazy to look up] it had in mind. From this info, the controller figures out what the key was. Then it has to ask the terminal where the current buffer position is. Then it looks at the key to see what to do next, since it may be a function key that doesn't go to the screen buffer. I suspect that some of the folks responsible for this over-obfuscated coax protocol may have infected the X11 folks. And egad, the entire coax spec from IBM is still available on the IBM website. The first generation 3270 had a more or less block mode protocol on the coax. It was actually possible to see exactly what key had been depressed [or the terminal/printer status] if you could catch the terminal coax response on an o'scope. I don't *remember* any Scroll Lock AID sequence or key on even the distributed function terminals.... For the terminally bored: Bookshelf: 3174 Establishment Controller Enjoy. I couldn't find any scroll lock keys, but you have to click on the busted image blocks to get a larger image... ###### From: adam@fsf.net (Adam Thornton) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Doghair Drifts Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3F84A385.CF405C52@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dev-linux.fsf.net X-Trace: news.fsf.net 1065669231 11972 192.168.1.4 (9 Oct 2003 03:13:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@fsf.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:13:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: adam@fsf.net (Adam Thornton) Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!xcski.com!news.fsf.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153103 In article <3F84A385.CF405C52@yahoo.com>, Peter Flass wrote: >CMS "scrolls" by pages. It writes from top-to-botton and then allows >the user to clear the screen for more, or it will automatically clear >after a delay unless the user presses "enter" to hold the screen, sort >of a built-in "more". And CMS Fullscreen, to further muddy the waters, actually scrolls, within a defined region of your screen. Adam ###### From: Philip Morten Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:27:14 +0100 Organization: IBM Hursley Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-9-20-237-218.hursley.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sp15at20.hursley.ibm.com 1065713071 30082 9.20.237.218 (9 Oct 2003 15:24:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hursley.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!an02.austin.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!sp15ce20.hursley.ibm.com!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153141 George R. Gonzalez wrote: > Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? > > Not an emulator, the real thing. > > Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... > > Thanks, > > > George > > > I just took a look at the 3279-3 in an office up the corridor, it has an APL keyboard and definately no Scroll Lock. Philip Morten ###### From: Dave Daniels Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4c3ecc44fddave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.37) Organization: None Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust228.tnt28.lnd4.gbr.da.uu.net X-Trace: 1065724365 news.dial.pipex.com 6622 62.188.156.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewsoutpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsinpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153157 In article , Lon Stowell wrote: > Can't imagine why it would need one, since all of the > 3270's were block mode. I guess you could make one > appear to scroll, just to confuse the unix wienies, > but in reality you'd just be playing with buffer > addressing in block mode. IBM did a Basic interpreter during the 1980s that I saw running under CMS. It emulated scrolling a 3270 screen by redrawing the whole thing. It is obvious that the developers had never considered people using screens on 9600 bps (or slower) lines. I cannot remember what it was called - There was VSBASIC, but that was much earlier. The company I worked for then did not adopt it and I have not seen it since. Still, VSBASIC was all you needed for Star Trek (or 'Crumpet Hunt Game', the somewhat less politically correct version that came about after a lunchtime trip to the pub). Dave Daniels ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler References: <4c3ecc44fddave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DpHJ0Z7xjMY05+xDpZuegg7sFVo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 28 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:54:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.28.62.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1065743698 67.28.62.144 (Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:54:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:54:58 PDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153168 Dave Daniels writes: > IBM did a Basic interpreter during the 1980s that I saw > running under CMS. It emulated scrolling a 3270 screen > by redrawing the whole thing. It is obvious that the > developers had never considered people using screens on > 9600 bps (or slower) lines. I cannot remember what it was > called - There was VSBASIC, but that was much earlier. The > company I worked for then did not adopt it and I have not > seen it since. Still, VSBASIC was all you needed for > Star Trek (or 'Crumpet Hunt Game', the somewhat less > politically correct version that came about after a > lunchtime trip to the pub). however there was a lot of work on PVM in the very early 80s with simulating 3270 using 3101 block mode (ascii screen with some optional additional bells and whistles) ... typically deployed with 1200 baud modems. when PCs came along ... and pcterm with upgrade in PVM to keep state about what was in the pcterm buffer. PVM tried to understand if it had transmitted pieces of character strings already and if it might still be in the pcterm buffer .... in which case it had display controls to indicate display specific sequence of characters from the buffer (rather than sending the actual characters). -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ Internet trivia, 20th anniv: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm ###### From: jsavard@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid (John Savard) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Message-ID: <3f89f8d0.7247645@news.ecn.ab.ca> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:01:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.42.245.45 X-Trace: localhost 1066007015 64.42.245.45 (Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:03:35 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:03:35 MDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.alt.net!newsfeed.grouptelecom.net!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153363 On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:39:45 GMT, "George R. Gonzalez" wrote, in part: >Does anybody have a picture or list of keys on a true 3270 ? > > Not an emulator, the real thing. > >Some folks are claiming the 3270 had a Scroll Lock key, but ....... My web site, at http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/other/scan.htm contains pictures of many keyboards in diagrams I have drawn, including one for *one of the possible keyboard arrangements* for the original 3270. And, no, it didn't have a Scroll Lock key. It's the one with black and gray keys. John Savard http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html ###### From: jsavard@ecn.aSBLOKb.caNADA.invalid (John Savard) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: 3270 terminal keyboard?? Message-ID: <3f89f978.7415767@news.ecn.ab.ca> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:02:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.42.245.45 X-Trace: localhost 1066007107 64.42.245.45 (Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:05:07 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:05:07 MDT Path: redlance.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.alt.net!newsfeed.grouptelecom.net!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: redlance.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:153364 On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:00:58 GMT, Lon Stowell wrote, in part: > Can't imagine why it would need one, since all of the > 3270's were block mode. I guess you could make one > appear to scroll, just to confuse the unix wienies, > but in reality you'd just be playing with buffer > addressing in block mode. Under MTS, making it appear to scroll was exactly what was done, except that it scrolled 9 lines at a time so as to minimize time wasted refreshing the whole page. John Savard http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html