From: jpdavis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Worst computer music Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:41:42 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150425 I'm curious, What is the worst computer music, or best, or best hack that the denizens of afc have heard or written. I've listened to the PDP8 FOOBB, and Bach and the altair AM radio player, A 1403 lineprinter rendition of somthing classical and a teletype version of "in a gadda de veda" drum solo performed on two asr33's tape readers. Jim Davis. ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: lon.stowell@comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1062793492 12.240.77.188 (Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:24:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:24:52 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:24:52 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150365 Approximately 9/4/03 21:41, jpdavis uttered for posterity: > I'm curious, What is the worst computer music, or best, or best > hack that the denizens of afc have heard or written. I've listened > to the PDP8 FOOBB, and Bach and the altair AM radio player, A > 1403 lineprinter rendition of somthing classical and a teletype > version of "in a gadda de veda" drum solo performed on two asr33's > tape readers. So many to choose. The old AM radio near the processor unit and/or memory comes to mind. The most memorable, as in terms of "too much time on their hands" was done using the whistling tones that the old RCA 300 ips air capstan tape drives could be made to produce combined with the non-rippled hammer fires of an RCA drum printer doing Bolero. ###### From: mensanator@aol.com (mensanator) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: 5 Sep 2003 16:53:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.73.244.36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062806012 9963 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2003 23:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 2003 23:53:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150446 jpdavis wrote in message news:... > I'm curious, What is the worst computer music, or best, or best > hack that the denizens of afc have heard or written. I've listened > to the PDP8 FOOBB, and Bach and the altair AM radio player, A > 1403 lineprinter rendition of somthing classical and a teletype > version of "in a gadda de veda" drum solo performed on two asr33's > tape readers. > > Jim Davis. Does it have to be actual music? For some reason, which was never explained to me, the General Automation SPC-16 mini-computer's incandescent front panel blinken'lights were connected to a crude D/A converter. So, by connecting a voltage controlled oscillator chip to the front panel tap, "music" could be played by the program counter addresses when running. And when I say crude, individiual lamps changed brightness depending on the total current draw, so it didn't work well in theory let alone practice (I I ever got was noise). ###### Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: brianb1224@aol.com (BrianB1224) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 06 Sep 2003 18:39:05 GMT References: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Worst computer music Message-ID: <20030906143905.14338.00000689@mb-m12.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150515 I remember a game of Star Wars that had a music chip inside the box that played the theme when you picked it up. For the IBM PC version the theme played worse in the game on the computer speaker than on the small chip from the box. On the Amiga computer this same version of the game music played great. This was definately a time before the IBM PC had dedicated sound cards. ###### Lines: 53 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mensanator@aol.com (Mensanator) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 07 Sep 2003 01:06:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Worst computer music Message-ID: <20030906210637.23263.00000640@mb-m19.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150514 >Subject: Re: Worst computer music >From: jmfbahciv@aol.com >Date: 9/6/2003 5:21 AM Central Standard Time >Message-id: > >In article , > mensanator@aol.com (mensanator) wrote: >>jpdavis wrote in message >news:... >>> I'm curious, What is the worst computer music, or best, or best >>> hack that the denizens of afc have heard or written. I've listened >>> to the PDP8 FOOBB, and Bach and the altair AM radio player, A >>> 1403 lineprinter rendition of somthing classical and a teletype >>> version of "in a gadda de veda" drum solo performed on two asr33's >>> tape readers. >>> >>> Jim Davis. >> >>Does it have to be actual music? For some reason, which was never >>explained to me, the General Automation SPC-16 mini-computer's >>incandescent front panel blinken'lights were connected to a crude D/A >>converter. >> >>So, by connecting a voltage controlled oscillator chip to the front >>panel tap, "music" could be played by the program counter addresses >>when running. And when I say crude, individiual lamps changed >>brightness depending on the total current draw, so it didn't work well >>in theory let alone practice (I I ever got was noise). > >Could you tell when a job was going wrong by the sounds it made? Well, it was over 20 years ago and I don't remember what it sounded like. But the lights themselves, although flashing too fast to track, did seem different when things weren't right. They were all a blur but groups would get brighter and dimmer at regular intervals. Of course, that's aside from the obvious fault of when the lamps stopped flashing entirely. >I certainly know when this idjit box I'm running is going to >commit unspeakable acts by the clackity difference in sounds >the disk makes. > >/BAH > >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. -- Mensanator 2 of Clubs http://members.aol.com/mensanator666/2ofclubs/2ofclubs.htm ###### From: jimmydevice Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:45:20 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> In-Reply-To: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150524 Thomas Hillebrandt wrote: > > These available anywhere as wav or MP3's??? :-) > /Thomas > > I would suspect that the altair and PDP stuff are out there somewhere. The TTY rendition was a private showing at Portland State by the Composer, In 1975. ;-) Jim Davis. ###### From: jimmydevice Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:03:47 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150530 jimmydevice wrote: > Thomas Hillebrandt wrote: > > >> >> These available anywhere as wav or MP3's??? :-) > > >> /Thomas >> >> > I would suspect that the altair and PDP stuff are out there somewhere. > The TTY rendition was a private showing at Portland State by the > Composer, In 1975. > ;-) > Jim Davis. > Here's the PDP8 stuff, http://www.pdp8.net/sound/sound.shtml Jim Davis. ###### From: jimmydevice Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:07:00 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150523 jimmydevice wrote: > jimmydevice wrote: > >> Thomas Hillebrandt wrote: >> >> >>> >>> These available anywhere as wav or MP3's??? :-) >> >> >> >>> /Thomas >>> >>> >> I would suspect that the altair and PDP stuff are out there somewhere. >> The TTY rendition was a private showing at Portland State by the >> Composer, In 1975. >> ;-) >> Jim Davis. >> > Here's the PDP8 stuff, http://www.pdp8.net/sound/sound.shtml > Jim Davis. > Ouch, That is bad, It sure sounded better on the Stright 8 at OMSI. Jim Davis. ###### From: "Nico de Jong" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Worst computer music Lines: 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:30:51 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.142.193.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 1062920048 129.142.193.202 (Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:34:08 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:34:08 CEST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150503 > I would suspect that the altair and PDP stuff are out there somewhere. > The TTY rendition was a private showing at Portland State by the > Composer, In 1975. It hardly classifies as "music", but when I was employed by the Dutch PTT as a teleprinter operator, some WRU sequences had a special "ring" to them. I could distinguish between Western Union (they had an office in Amsterdam at that time), Frankfurt/Main, Commercial (office in Rotterdam), Ministry of foreign affairs in the Hague, and East Berlin. Probably more, but I've forgotten the rest. Oh yeah, Milano and Rome were also special, as they "hung" on a radio link via Frankfurt. When you heard nothing for a long time, and then a lot of printing, nothing again, etc., you would bet it was Italy. Nico ###### From: "Thomas Hillebrandt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3f59c6e1$0$24673$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:54:14 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3f5b0e50$0$54849$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.228.229 X-Trace: 1062932049 dread11.news.tele.dk 54849 195.249.228.229:55450 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150536 "jimmydevice" skrev i en meddelelse news:vllf9roiodvbd9@corp.supernews.com... > jimmydevice wrote: > > > Thomas Hillebrandt wrote: > > > > > >> > >> These available anywhere as wav or MP3's??? :-) > > > > > >> /Thomas > >> > >> > > I would suspect that the altair and PDP stuff are out there somewhere. > > The TTY rendition was a private showing at Portland State by the > > Composer, In 1975. > > ;-) > > Jim Davis. > > > Here's the PDP8 stuff, http://www.pdp8.net/sound/sound.shtml > Jim Davis. Excellent! Meanwhile, I also stumbled on the GIER sounds I mentioned. They are on this page: http://www.datamuseum.dk/site_dk/rc/gierdoc/ The page is in Danish, but all the sound-clips are in the bottom of the page! /Thomas ###### From: Rob Dieters Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:53:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.84.33.105 X-Trace: 1062957221 dreader6.news.xs4all.nl 58588 213.84.33.105:36825 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!transit.news.xs4all.nl!rhinewceros.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150571 On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:41:42 -0700, jpdavis wrote: >I'm curious, What is the worst computer music, or best, or best >hack that the denizens of afc have heard or written. I've listened >to the PDP8 FOOBB, and Bach and the altair AM radio player, A >1403 lineprinter rendition of somthing classical and a teletype >version of "in a gadda de veda" drum solo performed on two asr33's >tape readers. > >Jim Davis. Listen to the sound of IBM S360/40 at http://www.cbttape.org/fun.htm Rob ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst comment ever Date: Mon, 08 Sep 03 11:17:48 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3F497159.7D6B3915@computer.org> <1061813657.74876@saucer.planet.gong> <3F4BA30E.7CBBAE20@ev1.net> <3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYwtWaxrjp1es0wMFYBWuNxyU/XpOisMCDmNiQMd08L6ogmnsPevhmo X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 12:26:28 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.space.net!news.osn.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-182-41 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150591 In article <3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org>, Sam Yorko wrote: >Charles Richmond wrote: >> >> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > In article , >> > Howard S Shubs wrote: >> > >In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> > > >> > >> You admired Elizabeth for her looks and not her actions? >> > > >> > >Is that difficult to understand? >> > >> > No. I'm simply trying to figure out how men think. >> > This is what I get when I ask a personal question in a >> > newsgroup. My apologies, Rupert ;-). >> > >> IMHO the majority of men under 40 think with their hormones. >> All the logic is just rationalization for the decisions that >> their hormones already made... IMHO. >> > >I've heard somewhere that the decision (for both women and men) is made >in the first two seconds of the initial meeting: smell, sight, >whatever. Definitely smell. > ..All the rest after that is just going through the societally >mandated motions. Nah, the rest is a battery of tests to find the quirks and decide if one can live with them. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: toby@telegraphics.com.au (Toby Thain) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst comment ever Date: 8 Sep 2003 06:36:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3F298ADC.92848DFE@ev1.net> <3F47EDB5.CC1572AB@computer.org> <3F497159.7D6B3915@computer.org> <1061813657.74876@saucer.planet.gong> <3F4BA30E.7CBBAE20@ev1.net> <3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.26.194.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063028174 25180 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2003 13:36:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 13:36:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150602 Sam Yorko wrote in message news:<3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org>... > Charles Richmond wrote: > > > > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In article , > > > Howard S Shubs wrote: > > > >In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >> You admired Elizabeth for her looks and not her actions? > > > > > > > >Is that difficult to understand? > > > > > > No. I'm simply trying to figure out how men think. > > > This is what I get when I ask a personal question in a > > > newsgroup. My apologies, Rupert ;-). > > > > > IMHO the majority of men under 40 think with their hormones. > > All the logic is just rationalization for the decisions that > > their hormones already made... IMHO. > > > > I've heard somewhere that the decision (for both women and men) is made > in the first two seconds of the initial meeting: smell, sight, > whatever. All the rest after that is just going through the societally > mandated motions. ...and then after all that "infallible" biochemical whizbangery you just add some alcohol at the office xmas party months later and you might as well flip a coin. T ###### From: toby@telegraphics.com.au (Toby Thain) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst comment ever Date: 8 Sep 2003 06:39:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3F298ADC.92848DFE@ev1.net> <20030808191507.27da4fc6.steveo@eircom.net> <3F47EDB5.CC1572AB@computer.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.26.194.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063028342 25475 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2003 13:39:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 13:39:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150608 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message news:... > In article <3F47EDB5.CC1572AB@computer.org>, > Sam Yorko wrote: > >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Us females were bombarded with an ad campaign about "Blonds have > >> more fun". And the folklore going around when I was a teenager > >> was that males prefer blond women. I don't think any movie stars > >> of the sex variety nor Amazons were pictured as brunettes. > >> > >> It wasn't until Cher became a sex object, that brunette color > >> became sexy again. And nobody looked at her hair when she wore > >> those dresses with large gaps. > >> > > > >Oh, please. Counter examples: Bettie Page, Katharine Hepburn, Rita > >Moreno, Vivian Leigh, Jean Simmons, Ann Blyth, Leslie Caron (Gigi!), > >Audry Hepburn (Breakfast at Tiffany's), Sophia Loren, Hedy Lamarr (a > >great counterexample of the brains times beauty equals a constant), Gene > >Tierney (Ghost and Mrs. Muir), Joan Collins... > > None were the sex objects of the flavor of a Marilyn Monroe. > Most of your examples were not of era I'm talking about. Marilyn wasn't sexy because she was blonde. Marilyn was sexy because she was Marilyn. Besides, I've met (natural) brunettes with Marilyn's allure. T > > I'm just telling how we (females) were conditioned in my youth. > Note that there weren't men talking in those ads. > > > > /BAH > > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst comment ever Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F497159.7D6B3915@computer.org> <1061813657.74876@saucer.planet.gong> <3F4BA30E.7CBBAE20@ev1.net> <3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:57:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1063036667 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:57:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:57:47 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150613 On Mon, 08 Sep 03 11:17:48 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >In article <3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org>, > Sam Yorko wrote: >>Charles Richmond wrote: >>> >>> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >>> > >>> > In article , >>> > Howard S Shubs wrote: >>> > >In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> You admired Elizabeth for her looks and not her actions? >>> > > >>> > >Is that difficult to understand? >>> > >>> > No. I'm simply trying to figure out how men think. >>> > This is what I get when I ask a personal question in a >>> > newsgroup. My apologies, Rupert ;-). >>> > >>> IMHO the majority of men under 40 think with their hormones. >>> All the logic is just rationalization for the decisions that >>> their hormones already made... IMHO. >>> >> >>I've heard somewhere that the decision (for both women and men) is made >>in the first two seconds of the initial meeting: smell, sight, >>whatever. > >Definitely smell. How the heck do you get close enough in the first two seconds of an initial meeting to smell someone's pheromones? >> ..All the rest after that is just going through the societally >>mandated motions. > >Nah, the rest is a battery of tests to find the quirks and >decide if one can live with them. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Sam Yorko Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst comment ever Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:30:07 -0800 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3F5D3B2F.DBC56E93@computer.org> References: <3F298ADC.92848DFE@ev1.net> <20030808191507.27da4fc6.steveo@eircom.net> <3F47EDB5.CC1572AB@computer.org> <3F497159.7D6B3915@computer.org> <1061813657.74876@saucer.planet.gong> <3F4BA30E.7CBBAE20@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.193.186.190 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1063013420 19150125 61.193.186.190 (16 [71567]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!61.193.186.190!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150581 Charles Richmond wrote: > > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > > In article , > > Howard S Shubs wrote: > > >In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> You admired Elizabeth for her looks and not her actions? > > > > > >Is that difficult to understand? > > > > No. I'm simply trying to figure out how men think. > > This is what I get when I ask a personal question in a > > newsgroup. My apologies, Rupert ;-). > > > IMHO the majority of men under 40 think with their hormones. > All the logic is just rationalization for the decisions that > their hormones already made... IMHO. > I've heard somewhere that the decision (for both women and men) is made in the first two seconds of the initial meeting: smell, sight, whatever. All the rest after that is just going through the societally mandated motions. ###### From: ptomblin@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Tomblin Computer Consulting, Rochester, New York and Ottawa, Ontario Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ptomblin@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) NNTP-Posting-Host: allhats.xcski.com X-Trace: allhats.xcski.com 1063045484 26293 192.168.1.1 (8 Sep 2003 18:24:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xcski.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:24:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test70 (17 January 1999) Originator: ptomblin@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in-maxim.spamkiller.net!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!xcski.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150636 In a previous article, jpdavis said: >I'm curious, What is the worst computer music, or best, or best Not computer music per-se, but the worst music ever recorded is RMS singing "The Free Software Song". -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "Every computer crashes, because every OS sucks" - Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie, "Every OS Sucks" http://mp3.com/deadtroll/ ###### From: Sami Sihvonen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Worst computer music Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:54:56 +0300 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dynip-148-4.hki4.surfeu.fi Message-ID: <3f5d2428@news.vip.fi> X-Trace: news.vip.fi 1063068712 dynip-148-4.hki4.surfeu.fi (9 Sep 2003 03:51:52 +0200) Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!news.vip.fi Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150651 In article , ptomblin@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote: >Not computer music per-se, but the worst music ever recorded is RMS >singing "The Free Software Song". What's wrong with it? It's damn cool, should be on MusicTV TRL... I can just imagine the music video for it. Sandals and hemp. :-D -- Before calling me with a terminal problem, consider this: a) Are you prepared to do without one for weeks? b) Do you REALLY want your process killed? c) Did you just trip over the cord again? d) Of course you did.