From: Larry__Weiss Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:03:57 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:14:22 -0500 (CDT) NNTP-Posting-Host: !Wkk;1k-W9PO.0U7NljR (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145946 What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 03 11:31:45 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYh1DN11+6J5YFp9MTANIfF2fv/J5kVY0G5T9AlcAl8ji1M7F89kWCr X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 2003 13:40:25 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-23 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146010 In article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>, Larry__Weiss wrote: > >What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? I don't think anything can top "Here be dragons". > >As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when >I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning >about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ >This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. When I was doing RUNOFF "code", I'd put HUIZENGA whenever I was going to leave the TTY for a second. If somebody ever used the file for document production, my bookmark wouldn't end up in the proofs :-). I usually did a similar thing for code on the rare occasions when I typed my code in on-line without having it written on paper. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 19 Jul 03 08:08:56 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-654.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!feedwest.aleron.net!aleron.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146135 In article <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) writes: >Larry__Weiss wrote: > >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program >>source code? > > I put these two comments in an invoicing program: > > * "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." > * Repeating Entries are written to cinw as they are > * encountered... > > * ...but Auto-Credit transactions are a consolidation. * SUBROUTINES (I.E. CLOSE ALL HATCHES BEFORE DIVING) Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 03 12:26:17 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9M4KQiTDTDGc7oq3wgmJg2g6uwVFVDyjj6HE4arsicZXyiAngwyKI X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2003 13:26:18 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-22 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146034 In article <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com>, rfcommsys@aol.com (RFCOMMSYS) wrote: >Larry__Weiss lfw@airmail.net wrote: > >> >> >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? >> >I found this comment in front of code to handle error conditions: > >"BUT ... IT WORKED WHEN I TESTED IT" I like that one. Mine would tend to be documenting that if the program ends up here, the system is having more problems than keeping track of user usage. I would then add that I wouldn't expect file closings to work but that I'll try anyway. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Geoffrey G. Rochat" <777geoff777@777pkworks777.777com777> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:58:55 -0400 Organization: Sprint Advanced Network Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Reply-To: "Geoffrey G. Rochat" <777geoff777@777pkworks777.777com777> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.244.111.157 X-Trace: news.utelfla.com 1058453484 17537 208.244.111.157 (17 Jul 2003 14:51:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.utelfla.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:51:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.sprintnetops.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146016 > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? Well, there's always the hack of using the label OFF as the target for a PDP-10's Jump and Restore (JRST) instruction... ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: "G. Wolfe Woodbury" Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Organization: Wolves Den VI Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:27:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.64.248.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1058455645 4.64.248.114 (Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:27:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:27:25 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!5552e703!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146325 Geoffrey G. Rochat <777geoff777@777pkworks777.777com777> shaped electrons to say: >> What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > Well, there's always the hack of using the label OFF as the target for a > PDP-10's Jump and Restore (JRST) instruction... > Well, PDP-11 RT-11 Source code had extensive quoting from Gilbert&Sullivan to mark relevant sections, like: Behold the Lord High Executioner on the process dispatch code. -- Gregory G. "Wolfe" Woodbury `-_-' Owner/Admin: wolves.durham.nc.us ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us U "The Line Eater is a boojum snark." Hug your wolf. ###### From: Eric Sosman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:13:20 -0400 Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3F16D930.3DDF0CDB@sun.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Reply-To: Eric.Sosman@Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: tardis.east.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1brm.Central.Sun.COM 1058462001 1871 129.148.168.113 (17 Jul 2003 17:13:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news1brm.central.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!namche.sun.com!news1brm.central.sun.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146358 Larry__Weiss wrote: > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. A very good programmer (whose code taught me a lot of my craft) had the useful habit of putting execution traces in his programs. At interesting moments he'd insert a call to a trace routine, which would just stuff the return address in a circular buffer and return -- so if the program crashed, the circular buffer contained a history of the last couple hundred interesting events prior to the crash. His trace call always looked like BAL R14,TRACE REMEMBER THIS MOMENT, MY SON Another of my cow orkers once ran across this piece of in-code humor, presumably unintentional: #define HASHSIZE 57 /* a smallish prime */ -- Eric.Sosman@sun.com ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: lon.stowell@comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058463971 12.240.77.188 (Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:46:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:46:11 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:46:11 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146341 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > In article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>, > Larry__Weiss wrote: >> >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > I don't think anything can top "Here be dragons". I don't even remember which Pyramid OS version, but one of the better rants I can recall was in the signal handling code of a rather complex bit. Somewhat along the lines of "Well, here we are again, with what we have come to know and love about Unix. We have gotten a signal from some other process and we haven't a clue who it came from or whether it was really intended for us.... " And then it went off the deep end. > >> >>As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when >>I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning >>about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: >> /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ >>This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > > When I was doing RUNOFF "code", I'd put > HUIZENGA > whenever I was going to leave the TTY for a second. If somebody > ever used the file for document production, my bookmark wouldn't > end up in the proofs :-). > > I usually did a similar thing for code on the rare occasions > when I typed my code in on-line without having it written > on paper. > > /BAH > > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:13:40 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030717211340.453282ac.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F16D930.3DDF0CDB@sun.com> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2003 01:01:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p2835.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058490065 willi.euronet.nl 45371 194.134.219.28:3146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!213.51.129.3.MISMATCH!newshub1.home.nl!home.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146185 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:13:20 -0400 Eric Sosman wrote: ES> Another of my cow orkers once ran across this piece ES> of in-code humor, presumably unintentional: ES> ES> #define HASHSIZE 57 /* a smallish prime */ Silly sod missed the leading 0 off an octal constant. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:30:47 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> User-Agent: tin/1.5.18-20030602 ("Darts") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146197 Larry__Weiss wrote: > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > /etc/termcap on any Berkeley box. Contains more amusing rants about broken old terminals than I care to remember. Funniest of all is diffing it against AIX /etc/termcap. All the libel has been carefully airbrushed out! pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 17 Jul 2003 12:52:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.121.15.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058471568 22077 127.0.0.1 (17 Jul 2003 19:52:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 2003 19:52:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146230 Larry__Weiss wrote in message news:<3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his FORTRAN programs with PROGRAMME Tim. ###### From: John Ahlstrom Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:45:16 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. Message-ID: <3F170ADC.46621E01@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: sj-nntpcache-5!unknown@dhcp-171-71-47-135.cisco.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146404 The B1700 MCP (operating system) was full of /* FIX ME SOMEDAY */ which is black humor at least The virtual memory mgt code started with /* Yesterday I had a scare I used some code that wasn't there It wasn't there again today Oh, how I wish that it would stay. */ JKA -- The point of philosophy is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth stating, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will believe it. Russell ###### From: Larry__Weiss Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:04:49 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:04:38 -0500 (CDT) NNTP-Posting-Host: ![O*X1k-X5)sSXs7Nhd4 (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145935 Tim Shoppa wrote: > Larry__Weiss wrote... > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > > That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their > humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his > FORTRAN programs with > > PROGRAMME > Yes, extra points for humor in source outside comments! (I suddenly feel like Drew Carey doing "Who's Line Is It Anyways"?)... ###### From: Elliott Roper Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:08:31 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <180720030008318423%elliott@yrl.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.7.1 (Carbon/OS X) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!in.100proofnews.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!elliott Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146076 In article <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net>, Larry__Weiss wrote: > > > > That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their > > humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his > > FORTRAN programs with > > > > PROGRAMME > > > > Yes, extra points for humor in source outside comments! I have to confess, with some embarrassment, that as a very new programmer on a PDP-8, I went to some trouble to create a list handling routine with an address that held the *P*osition *O*f the *L*ast *E*ntry simply so I could write.... no. I can't bring myself to say it.... ###### From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.111.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1058483552 24.62.111.114 (Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:12:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:12:32 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:12:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145945 "Larry__Weiss" wrote in message news:3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net... > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? In case (switch) statements where all the possible cases are covered, I'll usually and the "else" or "otherwise" or whatever as something like this: default: /* We can't ever get here. But since we will, someday... */ fprintf(stderr, "Crash #24\n"); exit(-1) } (the above a C example, of course). I use different numbers for every one of those, so when it happens I can find which one caused it. And, of course, there's the classic "You are not expected to understand this" example: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html - Bill ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:11:28 +0100 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 115.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.net (194.153.25.115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1058487291 12239769 194.153.25.115 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!115.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146270 In article , "G. Wolfe Woodbury" in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >Geoffrey G. Rochat <777geoff777@777pkworks777.777com777> shaped electrons to say: >>> What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? >> >> Well, there's always the hack of using the label OFF as the target for a >> PDP-10's Jump and Restore (JRST) instruction... >> > >Well, PDP-11 RT-11 Source code had extensive quoting from >Gilbert&Sullivan to mark relevant sections, like: > > Behold the Lord High Executioner > >on the process dispatch code. I don't remember that one, but presumably, about three lines later, when it did the despatch, a PDP-8 programmer would have had to use two JMPs, both needing the "defer" major state to perform that particularly vital function. :) What was the code? I've only retained the uncommented RT11 sources. (Weep.) Gilbert's "sources" are out of copyright, and freely available on the net. I remember " Faster than a speeding bullet." in the VM: driver, but RT11 comments were more "Politically Correct" than in earlier software. Unlike *that* comment in OS/8 Build, when the "$" prompt was issued. Regards, David P. ###### From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 17 Jul 2003 18:09:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058490550 6127 127.0.0.1 (18 Jul 2003 01:09:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2003 01:09:10 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146284 Larry__Weiss wrote in message news:<3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net>... > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > Larry__Weiss wrote... > > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > > > > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > > > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > > > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > > > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > > > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > > > > That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their > > humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his > > FORTRAN programs with > > > > PROGRAMME > > > > Yes, extra points for humor in source outside comments! And even more if it's executable, not just a declaration! Tim. ###### Message-ID: <3F17657A.2D9A8601@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1058490914 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:15:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:15:14 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:15:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146303 Larry__Weiss wrote: > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > If you have a *really* bad progammer working on your project, just require that everyone put a comment and their initials with all changes. Then just search for the luser's initials...and you have found a problem. I have mentioned before about a FORTRAN comment in some code that was acquired from a competitor: C C The following code was very hard for me to understand, C and it's going to be very hard for you to understand C too, because I am not going to tell you how it works. C I also am fond of the following comment: /**************************************************************** /-------------\ / \ / \ / \ | XXXX XXXX | | XXXX XXXX | | XXX XXX | \ X | --\ XXX /-- | | XXX | | | | | | | I I I I I I I | | I I I I I I | \ / -- -- \-------/ XXX XXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXX XXX ************** * BEWARE!! * ************** All ye who enter here: Most of the code in this module is twisted beyond belief! Tread carefully. If you think you understand it, You Don't, So Look Again. ****************************************************************/ -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F176648.1E57224F@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F16D930.3DDF0CDB@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1058491119 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:18:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:18:39 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:18:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146300 Eric Sosman wrote: > > Larry__Weiss wrote: > > > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > > A very good programmer (whose code taught me a lot > of my craft) had the useful habit of putting execution > traces in his programs. At interesting moments he'd > insert a call to a trace routine, which would just stuff > the return address in a circular buffer and return -- so > if the program crashed, the circular buffer contained > a history of the last couple hundred interesting events > prior to the crash. His trace call always looked like > > BAL R14,TRACE REMEMBER THIS MOMENT, MY SON > > Another of my cow orkers once ran across this piece > of in-code humor, presumably unintentional: > > #define HASHSIZE 57 /* a smallish prime */ > A .sig on said something like: "If 87 were prime, it would be a counter-example to your conjecture." -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:18:55 -0400 Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 33 Sender: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> <180720030008318423%elliott@yrl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37.tc1.std.dialup.ncf.ca X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1058491218 27317 134.117.137.114 (18 Jul 2003 01:20:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2003 01:20:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Given-From: "Heinz Wiggeshoff" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146168 "Elliott Roper" wrote in message news:180720030008318423%elliott@yrl.co.uk... > In article <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net>, Larry__Weiss > wrote: > > > > > > > > That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their > > > humor in non-comment code, ... > > Yes, extra points for humor in source outside comments! > > I have to confess, with some embarrassment, that as a very new > programmer on a PDP-8, I went to some trouble to create a list handling > routine with an address that held the *P*osition *O*f the *L*ast > *E*ntry > > simply so I could write.... > > no. I can't bring myself to say it.... Can't say POLE? Quite often when doing a search in IBM assembler or PL/I, I'll have a label PUREJOY for success. Back in the late seventies, I used a label LETS_DO_IT in an APL program. Those were Gary Gilmour's(?) last words before the firing squad in Utah. ###### From: Q Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:49:52 -0500 Organization: Dis Organization Lines: 26 Message-ID: <99kehvs3qte3cc7mp3b2dusrgsnsdd1u3e@4ax.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Reply-To: WallyInferno@erewhon.not NNTP-Posting-Host: p-272.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146373 On 17 Jul 2003 12:52:48 -0700, shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) wrote: >That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their >humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his >FORTRAN programs with What about the COBOL goto's? Especially if the compiler didn't require 'to', Production: StrawberryFieldsForever. More Beatles... etc. One-Timers: Hell F**kYourself F**kMgt Near noontime: Lunch Depended on my mood, i spose..... -- Q ###### Message-ID: <3F177A52.62327507@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1058496249 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:44:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:44:09 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:44:09 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146288 Tim Shoppa wrote: > > Larry__Weiss wrote in message news:<3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net>... > > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > Larry__Weiss wrote... > > > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > > > > > > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > > > > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > > > > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > > > > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > > > > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > > > > > > That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their > > > humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his > > > FORTRAN programs with > > > > > > PROGRAMME > > > > > > > Yes, extra points for humor in source outside comments! > > And even more if it's executable, not just a declaration! > There was (is) a FORTRAN IV preprocessor called MORTRAN, that allows the programmer to write structured code, and translated the code to FORTRAN IV. MORTRAN allowed for alphabetic labels. If you had a label :JAIL:, and somewhere you had a GO TO JAIL, the preprocessor would print the message: GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL, DO NOT COLLECT $200. At least, that's the way I heard it. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: lawrence@c896388-c.attbi.com (Lawrence Statton N1GAK/XE2) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <99kehvs3qte3cc7mp3b2dusrgsnsdd1u3e@4ax.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.4 (Linux) Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.236.27.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1058500768 12.236.27.224 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:59:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:59:28 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:59:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146383 On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:49:52 -0500, Q wrote: >On 17 Jul 2003 12:52:48 -0700, shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) >wrote: > >>That doesn't count, it's a comment. Real programmers express their >>humor in non-comment code, e.g. an ex-Brit I knew started all his >>FORTRAN programs with > >What about the COBOL goto's? Especially if the compiler didn't require >'to', >Production: >StrawberryFieldsForever. >More Beatles... >etc. > >One-Timers: >Hell >F**kYourself >F**kMgt > >Near noontime: >Lunch > >Depended on my mood, i spose..... > >-- >Q I once worked on a large Z-80 assembly language project, where the tool-chain, in addition to not supporting partial assembly, linking object files, and other such niceties - did not support any sort of local labels. So every single target of a jump had to be unique. This leads to labels made up at the spur of the moment. One guy used foods. I used the handles of users of a nearby bulletin board system I was hanging out on. Sometimes routines that we thought were going to be buried deep in the bowels of the system came poking to the surface -- which leads to things like a major subsystem named "PINK_FLOYD" (because we were listening to Dark Side of the Moon when we wrote it). That was also the worst-paying job I've ever had - after the project was finished, I added up all the unpaid overtime, and realized that I made (after taxes) about 2 dollars and seventy-eight cents per hour. Email: echo lawrence@abaluon.abaom | sed s/aba/c/g ###### From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 18 Jul 2003 09:39:55 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vpn-129-156-97-29.emea.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: new-usenet.uk.sun.com 1058521195 27429 129.156.97.29 (18 Jul 2003 09:39:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@new-usenet.uk.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2003 09:39:55 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!cltea-news-1.sun.com!news1brm.central.sun.com!new-usenet.uk.sun.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146183 In article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>, Larry__Weiss writes: > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. In a lineprinter driver, I recall seeing... goto jail; // do not pass go, do not collect $200 In a pipe driver I wrote (not for unix, and not in C, but nearest equivalent)... broken_pipe(...) { /* do some mopping up */ . . . /* now fix things */ call plumber; } For some years after that, I would get the occasional call from someone who just came across it for the first time. In a proprietry operating system... /* */ /* We must fix this before the first release of DOS. */ The first release of the DOS this comment referred to (a proprietry OS, nothing to do with MS-DOS) had taken place some 15 years before I noticed that comment... -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer ###### From: Larry__Weiss Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:39:48 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:51:45 -0500 (CDT) NNTP-Posting-Host: !cbFi1k-XSi#Aak-RB0$ (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145936 Larry__Weiss wrote: > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > Here's a cite of a loop coded DO UNTIL Nixon_Is_In_Again http://www.broadcast.net/pipermail/broadcast/1997-November/004624.html ###### From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.111.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058533725 24.62.111.114 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:08:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:08:45 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:25:22 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146362 "Larry__Weiss" wrote in message news:3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net... > Here's a cite of a loop coded > > DO UNTIL Nixon_Is_In_Again Ah, you just rang a bell for me... Repeat code sequence Until HellFreezesOver; { Damn, got cold around here! } - Bill ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <99kehvs3qte3cc7mp3b2dusrgsnsdd1u3e@4ax.com> From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler In-Reply-To: (Anne & Lynn Wheeler's message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:45:47 GMT") Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler User-Agent: Gnus/5.090019 (Oort Gnus v0.19) Emacs/21.2 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1://rRWOnCakG53H90vPPQTqFGuWg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:55:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.85.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1058536553 165.247.85.36 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:55:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:55:53 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146065 Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes: > DMKSTP > > after the product that had tv advertisement > > The Racer's Edge also related http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/97.html#12 OSes commerical, history http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#51 OT: Ever hear of RFC 1149? A geek silliness taken wing -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ Internet trivia, 20th anniv: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm ###### From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <0mURa.91951$H17.28360@sccrnsc02> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.111.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1058542076 24.62.111.114 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:27:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:27:56 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:27:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145947 "Larry__Weiss" wrote in message news:3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net... > Here's a cite of a loop coded > > DO UNTIL Nixon_Is_In_Again Ah, you just rang a bell for me... Repeat code sequence Until HellFreezesOver; { Damn, got cold around here! } - Bill ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:58:32 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058543912 8979 166.84.199.79 (18 Jul 2003 15:58:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:58:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146237 Larry__Weiss wrote: > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. I used in Fortran the fourth Logical Bug For tracing errors when program was working Bug was set to false. So If (bug) Write "debug info here" -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: "Michael N. LeVine" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:14:38 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mlevine Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146356 In article <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com>, proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote: > Larry__Weiss wrote: > > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. > > I used in Fortran the fourth > > Logical Bug > > For tracing errors when program was working Bug was set to false. > > So > > If (bug) Write "debug info here" There was a story I heard (but cannot confirm) about the Burroughs OS source. The comments were in the form of a pornographic story and after a few sites that bought the sources conplained -- they had to be rewritten. Has any one else heard this story and is it fact or legend? -- Michael LeVine - mlevine@redshift.com "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November. All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Subject: Re: humor in source code Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Organization: Full Circle Systems Message-ID: <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Date: 18 Jul 2003 13:11:37 -0400 X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1058548297 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (18 Jul 2003 13:11:37 -0400) Lines: 12 X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!ash.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145995 Larry__Weiss wrote in article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? Since no one else mentioned it, my favorite was the one from Yourdon's book on structured (?) programming: http://theorem.ca/~mvcorks/humour/programming.txt -dq ###### From: Dave Daniels Subject: Re: humor in source code Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:01:45 +0100 Message-ID: <4c140e85cfdave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.36) Organization: None Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust46.tnt2.lnd9.gbr.da.uu.net X-Trace: 1058552397 news.dial.pipex.com 961 62.188.105.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newshub1.home.nl!home.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!195.129.110.21.MISMATCH!bnewsfeed00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsinpeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146218 In article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>, Larry__Weiss wrote: > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? I came across this in a C program a few years ago: lonely(heart) { /* * This is a lonely function that nobody likes, nobody calls and * nobody cares for */ printf("sigh"); } I wonder if the programmer was trying to say something? Dave Daniels ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:56:41 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <4c140e85cfdave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-077.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146267 In article <4c140e85cfdave_daniels@argonet.co.uk>, Dave Daniels wrote: > I came across this in a C program a few years ago: > > lonely(heart) { > /* > * This is a lonely function that nobody likes, nobody calls and > * nobody cares for > */ > printf("sigh"); > } > > I wonder if the programmer was trying to say something? I expect he was, even if he wasn't aware of it. Would that be function-less programming? -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### From: Trog Woolley Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <99kehvs3qte3cc7mp3b2dusrgsnsdd1u3e@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trog-oz.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1058557021 23543 194.222.21.247 (18 Jul 2003 19:37:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.3 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146207 I regularly use for f in `` ; do in my scripts -- Trog Woolley | trog at trogwoolley dot com (A Croweater back residing in Pommie Land with Linux) Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ###### Message-ID: <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058557081 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:38:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:38:01 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:38:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146331 "Michael N. LeVine" wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > There was a story I heard (but cannot confirm) about the Burroughs OS source. > The comments were in the form of a pornographic story and after a few sites > that bought the sources complained -- they had to be rewritten. > Was the pronographic story something about the operator mounting tapes??? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1058557404 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:24 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:43:24 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146299 "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > Larry__Weiss wrote in article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > Since no one else mentioned it, my favorite was the one from Yourdon's > book on structured (?) programming: > > http://theorem.ca/~mvcorks/humour/programming.txt > A very similar story was mentioned in _Hackers_ and the programmer was Peter Samson...except the composer mentioned was J.S.B. (Bach) and of course the death date was different, but was also in octal. I suspect that Yourdon took this story and changed details to ward off being sued. I have *never* cared for Yourdon or his opinions. It suits me fine...that his credibility is zero since he went overboard on the Y2K survivalist issue... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: John Ahlstrom Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:45:25 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. Message-ID: <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cache-Post-Path: sj-nntpcache-3!unknown@dhcp-171-71-47-135.cisco.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146399 Charles Richmond wrote: > > "Michael N. LeVine" wrote: > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > There was a story I heard (but cannot confirm) about the Burroughs OS source. > > The comments were in the form of a pornographic story and after a few sites > > that bought the sources complained -- they had to be rewritten. > > > Was the pronographic story something about the operator > mounting tapes??? > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ I don't remember a story, but there were some risqué (if you really stretch it) procedure names e.g. forkque, motherforker, ... JKA -- The point of philosophy is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth stating, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will believe it. Russell ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Subject: Re: humor in source code Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net> Organization: Full Circle Systems Message-ID: <01c34d6f$349da0c0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Date: 18 Jul 2003 16:57:31 -0400 X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1058561851 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (18 Jul 2003 16:57:31 -0400) Lines: 30 X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!ash.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145985 Charles Richmond wrote in article <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net>... > "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > > > Larry__Weiss wrote in article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > > > > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > > > Since no one else mentioned it, my favorite was the one from Yourdon's > > book on structured (?) programming: > > > > http://theorem.ca/~mvcorks/humour/programming.txt > > > A very similar story was mentioned in _Hackers_ and the > programmer was Peter Samson...except the composer mentioned > was J.S.B. (Bach) and of course the death date was different, > but was also in octal. I suspect that Yourdon took this story > and changed details to ward off being sued. Perhaps, but the Yourdon story predates the _Hackers_ book and/or film (I used the textbook in 1978)... > I have *never* cared for Yourdon or his opinions. It suits > me fine...that his credibility is zero since he went overboard > on the Y2K survivalist issue... Well, I oppose gun control, and on that issue, I count Wayne LaPierre as an ally, but would likely disagree with him on almost every other count. I also don't agree with everything Yourdon says, but he says little I disagree with when it comes to structured programming... ###### From: "Michael N. LeVine" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:09:45 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mlevine Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146367 In article <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com>, John Ahlstrom wrote: > Charles Richmond wrote: > > > > "Michael N. LeVine" wrote: > > > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > > > There was a story I heard (but cannot confirm) about the Burroughs OS source. > > > The comments were in the form of a pornographic story and after a few sites > > > that bought the sources complained -- they had to be rewritten. > > > > > Was the pronographic story something about the operator > > mounting tapes??? > > > > -- > > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > > | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | > > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > I don't remember a story, but there were some > risqué (if you really stretch it) procedure names e.g. > forkque, motherforker, ... > > JKA As best as I can recall - it has been quite a while since I heard the story. There was in the resident monitor a key section of code that most if not all requests had to go through called the "bed" and the comments through out the code concerned getting a boy and girl indian into the "bed". This story is second hand at best... -- Michael LeVine - mlevine@redshift.com "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November. All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc ###### Message-ID: <3F18B76B.CC49BA4C@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058577426 12.241.15.59 (Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:17:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:17:06 GMT Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:17:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146338 John Ahlstrom wrote: > > Charles Richmond wrote: > > > > "Michael N. LeVine" wrote: > > > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > > > There was a story I heard (but cannot confirm) about the Burroughs OS source. > > > The comments were in the form of a pornographic story and after a few sites > > > that bought the sources complained -- they had to be rewritten. > > > > > Was the pornographic story something about the operator > > mounting tapes??? > > > I don't remember a story, but there were some > risqué (if you really stretch it) procedure names e.g. > forkque, motherforker, ... > "It's Speedball, Speedball Tucker...King of the Highway And all them other truckers..." -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F18B898.65B8CFE1@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net> <01c34d6f$349da0c0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1058577728 12.241.15.59 (Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:22:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:22:08 GMT Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:22:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146329 "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > Charles Richmond wrote in article <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net>... > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > A very similar story was mentioned in _Hackers_ and the > > programmer was Peter Samson...except the composer mentioned > > was J.S.B. (Bach) and of course the death date was different, > > but was also in octal. I suspect that Yourdon took this story > > and changed details to ward off being sued. > > Perhaps, but the Yourdon story predates the _Hackers_ book and/or > film (I used the textbook in 1978)... > But the story predates the _Hackers_ book...this happened in the early 1960's IIRC. The first third of the _Hackers_ book covered the period at MIT from about 1960 to 1972. > > > I have *never* cared for Yourdon or his opinions. It suits > > me fine...that his credibility is zero since he went overboard > > on the Y2K survivalist issue... > > Well, I oppose gun control, and on that issue, I count Wayne LaPierre > as an ally, but would likely disagree with him on almost every > other count. I also don't agree with everything Yourdon says, but > he says little I disagree with when it comes to structured programming... > It seems to me that Yourdon belittles true programming talent...and wants to make structured programming into a "cookbook" sort of activity. If I wanted a bull and doring profession, I would have been an accountant... ;-) -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: William Hamblen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <1r6hhvchs29tsj1mobtqhl6cuptcd4ep5p@4ax.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <99kehvs3qte3cc7mp3b2dusrgsnsdd1u3e@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:23:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.159.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1058577800 216.80.159.112 (Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:23:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:23:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146398 On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:59:28 GMT, lawrence@c896388-c.attbi.com (Lawrence Statton N1GAK/XE2) wrote: >That was also the worst-paying job I've ever had - after the project >was finished, I added up all the unpaid overtime, and realized that I >made (after taxes) about 2 dollars and seventy-eight cents per hour. Years ago we hired a file clerk who said when she saw her first paycheck less deductions for income taxes, social security taxes, health insurance and pension, "Is this all I get?" Hardly seems worth going to work some days. ###### Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:55:12 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030719065512.03740a43.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net> <01c34d6f$349da0c0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F18B898.65B8CFE1@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2003 16:45:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: i1106.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058633153 maya.euronet.nl 143 194.134.212.87:1030 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146171 On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:22:08 GMT Charles Richmond wrote: CR> It seems to me that Yourdon belittles true programming talent...and CR> wants to make structured programming into a "cookbook" sort of CR> activity. If I wanted a bull and doring profession, I would have CR> been an accountant... ;-) Yep it's programming by reduction instead of by abstraction. It splits the problem up into doable chunks with no attempt to be sensible about it. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:02:45 -0600 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1fybemk.1o0zjp314ru1moN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net> <01c34d6f$349da0c0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F18B898.65B8CFE1@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1058590965 13752433 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146278 Charles Richmond wrote: > It seems to me that Yourdon belittles true programming talent...and > wants to make structured programming into a "cookbook" sort of > activity. If I wanted a bull and doring profession, I would have > been an accountant... ;-) And, as the especially recent years showed, even accounting is a creative profession! ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:16:49 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145982 Larry__Weiss wrote: >What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? I put these two comments in an invoicing program: * "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." * Repeating Entries are written to cinw as they are * encountered... * ...but Auto-Credit transactions are a consolidation. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: ace join_to ware@iinet.net.au (Tony Epton) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:30:54 GMT Organization: Aceware Programming Pty Ltd Message-ID: <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.54.231 X-Trace: 1058611702 freenews.iinet.net.au 23615 203.59.54.231 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146143 > I put these two comments in an invoicing program: > > * "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." > * Repeating Entries are written to cinw as they are > * encountered... I find error messages with a snippet of Danish (my wife's second language) attached are very satisfying. These usually translate to something mundane out of a phrase book. such as "I wish to visit a bookmaker to have my shoes repaired" My counsellor told me I must learn to live in the present. Well I'm halfway there - I can't remember what I did yesterday. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:20:59 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-336.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146258 In article <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au>, ace join_to ware@iinet.net.au (Tony Epton) wrote: > I find error messages with a snippet of Danish (my wife's second > language) attached are very satisfying. > These usually translate to something mundane out of a phrase book. > such as "I wish to visit a bookmaker to have my shoes repaired" "My hoovercraft is FULL of EELS!" -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### Message-ID: <3F19D230.5D362CD2@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <01c34d4f$a55ce6b0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F186934.4832A7A7@ev1.net> <01c34d6f$349da0c0$e401a8c0@cicc-06> <3F18B898.65B8CFE1@ev1.net> <1fybemk.1o0zjp314ru1moN%lars@bearnip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058649817 12.241.15.59 (Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:23:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:23:37 GMT Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:23:37 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146304 Lars Duening wrote: > > Charles Richmond wrote: > > > It seems to me that Yourdon belittles true programming talent...and > > wants to make structured programming into a "cookbook" sort of > > activity. If I wanted a bull and doring profession, I would have > > been an accountant... ;-) > > And, as the especially recent years showed, even accounting is a > creative profession! > Creative...yes...but still dull and boring. It's *no* fun just to cheat people out of millions of dollars. For these accountants, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. *No* challenge... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058650023 12.241.15.59 (Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146324 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> genew@mail.ocis.net > (Gene Wirchenko) writes: > > >Larry__Weiss wrote: > > > >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program > >>source code? > > > > I put these two comments in an invoicing program: > > > > * "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." > > * Repeating Entries are written to cinw as they are > > * encountered... > > > > * ...but Auto-Credit transactions are a consolidation. > > * SUBROUTINES (I.E. CLOSE ALL HATCHES BEFORE DIVING) > > Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a > month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse > (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). > To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the first knuckle on your right hand. Can you get this into a comment??? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: Megan Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls4.std.com 1058664674 28947 199.172.62.241 (20 Jul 2003 01:31:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:31:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!mbg Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145968 "G. Wolfe Woodbury" writes: >Well, PDP-11 RT-11 Source code had extensive quoting from >Gilbert&Sullivan to mark relevant sections, like: > Behold the Lord High Executioner >on the process dispatch code. Actually, that comment (actually a full verse of the song) is for the code which handles program exits, if I remember correctly... heck, let me consult the source... from rmon.mac: ;+ ; "Behold the lord high executioner! ; A personage of noble rank and title - ; A dignified and potent officer, ; Whose functions are particularly vital." ; - W.S. Gilbert, "The Mikado" ; ; The following entry point is used to abort a running job. ; It switches to System State, sets the abort bit for the user, ; and falls into the abort code. ;- There are quite a few things in the RT sources... I posted a number of them someplace a few years ago, maybe I should collect them and make them available somewhere... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01460 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ###### From: Megan Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls4.std.com 1058665045 28947 199.172.62.241 (20 Jul 2003 01:37:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:37:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!mbg Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145980 David Powell writes: >I remember " Faster than a speeding bullet." in the VM: driver, but >RT11 comments were more "Politically Correct" than in earlier >software. Unlike *that* comment in OS/8 Build, when the "$" prompt was >issued. One of my favorites (other than the verse from The Mikado) is the comment for the code which moves the KMON (keyboard monitor) and USR (User Service Routines) up and down in memory as handlers are loaded and unloaded, or foreground or system jobs are installed or removed. ;+ ; "The awful shadow of some unseen power ; Floats, tho' unseen, amongst us" ; - Shelley, "Hymn to Intellectual Beauty" ;- Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01460 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ###### Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rfcommsys@aol.com (RFCOMMSYS) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 20 Jul 2003 02:22:52 GMT References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146092 Larry__Weiss lfw@airmail.net wrote: > > >What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > Seasoned programmers (as opposed to young upstarts who swear on a stack of Bibles that THEIR code cannot possibly be malfunctioning) will appreciate this comment found in a program: * THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN ...... ..... BUT ...... (followed by code to handle the seemingly impossible). Our computer operators always got a kick out of this console message I put in a program when it forced an abend: THE DDA TRIAL BALANCE IS GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET. I found this comment in front of code to handle error conditions: "BUT ... IT WORKED WHEN I TESTED IT" ###### From: ace join_to ware@iinet.net.au (Tony Epton) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:31:40 GMT Organization: Aceware Programming Pty Ltd Message-ID: <3f1a0bf1.1564008@news.m.iinet.net.au> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.54.231 X-Trace: 1058672944 freenews.iinet.net.au 23601 203.59.54.231 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146138 >"My hoovercraft is FULL of EELS!" "Drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait until lunch time, etc" or from another source "Alas, the Madonna is not functioning" (Klieban I think - "Cats", "Whack your porcupine", "Never eat anything larger than your head" - whatever happened to him ? Almost a precursor to Larson - but a little bit more surreal) My counsellor told me I must learn to live in the present. Well I'm halfway there - I can't remember what I did yesterday. ###### From: ace join_to ware@iinet.net.au (Tony Epton) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 05:10:56 GMT Organization: Aceware Programming Pty Ltd Message-ID: <3f1a23d8.7683635@news.m.iinet.net.au> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> <3f1a0bf1.1564008@news.m.iinet.net.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.54.231 X-Trace: 1058678900 freenews.iinet.net.au 23602 203.59.54.231 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146130 >(Klieban I think - "Cats", "Whack your porcupine", "Never eat anything >larger than your head" - whatever happened to him ? Almost a precursor >to Larson - but a little bit more surreal) Went searching out of curiosity and found him at http://www.eatmousies.com Correct quotation is "Alas, the Madonna does not function" and there is now a rock group of the same name. My counsellor told me I must learn to live in the present. Well I'm halfway there - I can't remember what I did yesterday. ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 05:24:03 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f197829.2638986@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145971 "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: [snip] >* SUBROUTINES (I.E. CLOSE ALL HATCHES BEFORE DIVING) > >Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a >month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse >(all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). I did that one, too, in a college COBOL assignment. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:12:00 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2003 16:22:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p2354.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058718131 maya.euronet.nl 140 194.134.217.59:1074 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!borium.box.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146182 On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT Charles Richmond wrote: CR> To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two CR> hands. This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other one). -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code From: leor@bdsoft.com (Leor Zolman) Organization: BD Software X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.236.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1058707680 24.147.236.118 (Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:28:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:28:00 GMT Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:28:00 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145976 In article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>, lfw@airmail.net says... > > >What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > If I'm really perturbed about having to write a particular small-ish C program, I'll usually begin it with: int main(int aaarghc, char *aaarghv) { ... I don't think I made this up, but I've been using it so long that the original source is long forgotten... -leor ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code From: leor@bdsoft.com (Leor Zolman) Organization: BD Software X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.236.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1058709278 24.147.236.118 (Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:54:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:54:38 GMT Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:54:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145992 In article , leor@bdsoft.com says... > >In article <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>, lfw@airmail.net says... >> >> >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? >> > >If I'm really perturbed about having to write a particular small-ish C >program, I'll usually begin it with: > > int main(int aaarghc, char *aaarghv) > { Aaargh, I meant "char **aaargv". Let's see, that's one bug per two lines of code (I'm being generous counting the open curly as a line). Perhaps that's why I'm currently into developing debugging tools ;-) ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:00:06 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-898.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146262 In article , Megan wrote: > There are quite a few things in the RT sources... I posted a number > of them someplace a few years ago, maybe I should collect them and > make them available somewhere... Is the instance of AutoDecrement Deferred addressing mode still in there? -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### Lines: 51 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mensanator@aol.com (Mensanator) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 20 Jul 2003 15:00:47 GMT References: <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030720110047.07781.00000173@mb-m14.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146091 >Subject: Re: humor in source code >From: rfcommsys@aol.com (RFCOMMSYS) >Date: 7/19/03 9:22 PM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> > >Larry__Weiss lfw@airmail.net wrote: > >> >> >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? >> >> > > >Seasoned programmers (as opposed to young upstarts who swear on a stack of >Bibles that THEIR code cannot possibly be malfunctioning) will appreciate >this >comment found in a program: > > >* THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN ...... ..... BUT ...... > >(followed by code to handle the seemingly impossible). > > > >Our computer operators always got a kick out of this console message I put in >a >program when it forced an abend: > >THE DDA TRIAL BALANCE IS GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET. > > > >I found this comment in front of code to handle error conditions: > >"BUT ... IT WORKED WHEN I TESTED IT" You had programmers who tested their code? The best line I ever heard from a programmer when I asked "The program crashed immediately upon startup. Didn't you run it after you compiled it?" "Why should I run it? I know how it works, I wrote it." -- Mensanator 2 of Clubs http://members.aol.com/mensanator666/2ofclubs/2ofclubs.htm ###### From: Megan Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls4.std.com 1058722791 17475 199.172.62.241 (20 Jul 2003 17:39:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:39:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!mbg Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:145939 Howard S Shubs writes: >In article , Megan >wrote: >> There are quite a few things in the RT sources... I posted a number >> of them someplace a few years ago, maybe I should collect them and >> make them available somewhere... >Is the instance of AutoDecrement Deferred addressing mode still in there? I just did a scan of the monitor sources and found 15 occurances... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01460 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 03 10:51:07 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9T5Fyd9gkkU/czHGo9eCw5yHfFMMyBstWTCZB0h1I0wH6iP17dJV8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 11:51:16 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-30 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146456 In article <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT >Charles Richmond wrote: > >CR> To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >CR> hands. > > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty >days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace >with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other one). I sure like to know how often they had to practice. Don't forget the corollary to the month one...something about r in the name of the month. I can't remember if you're supposed to do something or not to do something. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 03 10:53:05 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ57zPSlO3pN+nKRFnVZFpOqLqk/sGA7/KqVPvHVLMgxcEeQq8pBFmB X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 11:53:14 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-30 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146454 In article <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:32:27 GMT >genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > >GW> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >GW> >GW> > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty >GW> >days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace >GW> >with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other >GW> >one). >GW> >GW> I have never heard of this one. Please explain it. > > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told > > The pellet with the poison's > In the vessel with the pestle > And the chalice with the palace > Has the brew that is true. > > Within two repetitions the hero has the lines in the wrong >order and soon becomes completely confused. Danny Kaye played the bumbling hero. He was probably the only actor who could have done that part. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:23:42 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-221.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146535 In article , Megan wrote: > I just did a scan of the monitor sources and found 15 occurances... Yikes! Ed used it a lot, then. -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### From: "Hank Oredson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <1kCSa.64349$3o3.4260788@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:46:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.193.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1058730365 12.81.193.215 (Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:46:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:46:05 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146481 "Larry__Weiss" wrote in message news:3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net... > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. Cannot remember where I saw this one: "Taffy pull (harder than fudging)" -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net ###### From: "John Varela" Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> User-Agent: ProNews/2 V1.53.cp050 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 20 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:19:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.75.32.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1058735951 171.75.32.45 (Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:19:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:19:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146532 On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:12:00 UTC, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT > Charles Richmond wrote: > > CR> To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two > CR> hands. That one fails for me at August. What am I doing wrong? > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty > days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace > with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other one). I dunno, but you'd better get in, get at it, get it over with, and get out. -- John "But wait! There's been a change!" Varela ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: lon.stowell@comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058737068 12.240.77.188 (Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:37:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:37:48 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:37:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146551 John Varela wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:12:00 UTC, Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT >> Charles Richmond wrote: >> >> CR> To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >> CR> hands. > > That one fails for me at August. What am I doing wrong? Perhaps you have your pinkies together rather than your indices fingers? JFMAMJJ AS... aeapauu ue... nbrrynl gp... n_n_n_n n_n_n_n ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:32:27 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146449 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT >Charles Richmond wrote: > >CR> To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >CR> hands. > > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty >days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace >with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other one). I have never heard of this one. Please explain it. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:53:27 -0500 Organization: FIELDATA FORTRAN ENTHUSIASTS CLUB Reply-To: rsteiner@visi.com Message-ID: <3tyG/oHpva9A092yn@visi.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <99kehvs3qte3cc7mp3b2dusrgsnsdd1u3e@4ax.com> <1r6hhvchs29tsj1mobtqhl6cuptcd4ep5p@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Yarn for OS/2 v0.92 X-Stuff-Running: There are 61 Processes with 193 Threads. X-System-Uptime: 3d 0h 46m 54s 601ms X-Armor-Class-From-Above: -17 X-HomePage: http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner User-Agent: VSoup v1.2.9.48Beta [OS/2] Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2003 20:17:20 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82df96ce.authen.newsreader.visi.com X-Trace: DXC=:4jU7EmgVZ<JDQniYE1Y[ spake unto us, saying: >Hardly seems worth going to work some days. Be thankful you have work. Many of us don't. :-) -- -Rich Steiner >>>---> http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner >>>---> Eden Prairie, MN OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Win95 + DOS + PC/GEOS = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-) Now running in text mode on a PPro/200. Eat my dust, GUI freaks! The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:56:14 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1058745355 14799 194.222.24.177 (20 Jul 2003 23:55:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146534 In article , andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: >In a proprietry operating system... > > /* */ > /* We must fix this before the first release of DOS. */ I'm /still/ doing that. In something which is going to be released next month I currently have a comment that says -- should really check that the table is the right width here I suppose I should put that mug trap in but frankly I doubt it'll be done for version 1.0. ###### From: rsteiner@visi.com (Richard Steiner) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:27:09 -0500 Organization: FIELDATA FORTRAN ENTHUSIASTS CLUB Reply-To: rsteiner@visi.com Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Supersedes: X-Newsreader: Yarn for OS/2 v0.92 X-Stuff-Running: There are 60 Processes with 186 Threads. X-System-Uptime: 3d 2h 20m 35s 609ms X-Armor-Class-From-Above: -17 X-HomePage: http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner User-Agent: VSoup v1.2.9.48Beta [OS/2] Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2003 20:27:31 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: 82df96ce.authen.newsreader.visi.com X-Trace: DXC=WP[ij=6C\nn?]X>jPAmC?g`Xn0Zg>EalfhD3OXm`l_bhAAn1eZNi4llEf9cULb6YfnJDQniYE1Y[lO^2^fYXHE0cWFUBA;a_LUi X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!priapus.visi.com!phobos.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!authen.news-2.mpls.visi.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146444 Here in alt.folklore.computers, "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: >In article <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com>, > John Ahlstrom wrote: > >> Charles Richmond wrote: >> > >> > "Michael N. LeVine" wrote: >> > > >> > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> > > >> > > There was a story I heard (but cannot confirm) about the Burroughs OS source. >> > > The comments were in the form of a pornographic story and after a few sites >> > > that bought the sources complained -- they had to be rewritten. >> > > >> > Was the pronographic story something about the operator >> > mounting tapes??? >> > >> > -- >> > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ >> > | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | >> > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ >> I don't remember a story, but there were some >> risqué (if you really stretch it) procedure names e.g. >> forkque, motherforker, ... >> >> JKA > >As best as I can recall - it has been quite a while since I heard the story. >There was in the resident monitor a key section of code that most >if not all requests had to go through called the "bed" >and the comments through out the code concerned getting a boy and girl indian >into the "bed". > >This story is second hand at best... I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? I remember a couple of flight ops programs in WorldFlight (originally written for UNIMATIC at UAL) that had comments written with a cheesy German accent, and I found that to be rather funny. -- -Rich Steiner >>>---> http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner >>>---> Eden Prairie, MN OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Win95 + DOS + PC/GEOS = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-) Now running in text mode on a PPro/200. Eat my dust, GUI freaks! The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. ###### Message-ID: <3F1B5FFB.DA8F5A33@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1058751652 12.241.15.59 (Mon, 21 Jul 2003 01:40:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 01:40:52 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 01:40:53 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146553 Richard Steiner wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > I remember a couple of flight ops programs in WorldFlight (originally > written for UNIMATIC at UAL) that had comments written with a cheesy > German accent, and I found that to be rather funny. > Is this "German" accent comment on the order of Das Blinkenlights??? "Achtung! Alles Touristen Und Non-Tech-nischen Looken Peepers! Das Machine Control Is Nicht Fur Gerfingerpoken Und Mittengrabben. Oderwise Is Easy Schnappen Der Springwerk, Blowenfuse, Und Poppencorken Mit Spitzensparken. Der Machine Is Diggen By Expertzen Only. Is Nicht Fur Gerverken By Dummkopfen. Das Rubbernecken Sightseenen Keepen Das Kottenpicken Hands In Das Pockets. So Relaxen Und Watchen Das Blinkenlights." -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:36:01 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1fyefpv.15ca9arttcnv6N%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> <3f1a0bf1.1564008@news.m.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058758562 8317 166.84.199.79 (21 Jul 2003 03:36:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:36:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146536 wrote: > >"My hoovercraft is FULL of EELS!" > > "Drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait until lunch time, etc" > > or from another source > > "Alas, the Madonna is not functioning" > > (Klieban I think - "Cats", "Whack your porcupine", "Never eat anything > larger than your head" - whatever happened to him ? The last book I saw of his had a preface by the author of _Mouse_. Suicide I'm afraid. > Almost a precursor > to Larson - but a little bit more surreal) > My counsellor told me I must learn to live in the present. > Well I'm halfway there - I can't remember what I did yesterday. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:41:25 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 05:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p2851.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058766171 maya.euronet.nl 136 194.134.219.44:1219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146513 On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:32:27 GMT genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: GW> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: GW> GW> > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty GW> >days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace GW> >with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other GW> >one). GW> GW> I have never heard of this one. Please explain it. It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told The pellet with the poison's In the vessel with the pestle And the chalice with the palace Has the brew that is true. Within two repetitions the hero has the lines in the wrong order and soon becomes completely confused. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:33:58 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f1b891d.44086990@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146451 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: [snip] > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told > > The pellet with the poison's > In the vessel with the pestle > And the chalice with the palace > Has the brew that is true. > > Within two repetitions the hero has the lines in the wrong >order and soon becomes completely confused. Thank you. ObAFC: At only a 50% chance of penalising, it makes a poor source of Clue. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net><3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net><982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid><3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net><20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net><3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.204.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1058771301 12.207.204.17 (Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:08:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:08:21 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:08:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146437 "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote in message news:20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net... > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:32:27 GMT > genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > > GW> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > GW> > GW> > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty > GW> >days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace > GW> >with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other > GW> >one). > GW> > GW> I have never heard of this one. Please explain it. > > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court > Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told > > The pellet with the poison's > In the vessel with the pestle > And the chalice with the palace > Has the brew that is true. > > Within two repetitions the hero has the lines in the wrong > order and soon becomes completely confused. There is a related scene in "Princess Bride". -- glen ###### From: "Ken Wheatley" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:15:57 +0100 Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.23.4.241 X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 1058782559 74195 172.23.4.241 (21 Jul 2003 10:15:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 10:15:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!si05!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146505 "Richard Steiner" wrote in message news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > Here in alt.folklore.computers, > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: > > >This story is second hand at best... > > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. > > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). The Burroughs Meduim Systems also had some humour in code. I think it was the DMPALL utility that had references to karting where comments should have been if anyone would have had any hope of understanding what the assembler code was trying to do. Back on the Large Systems (now Clearpath NX) I was once surprised to see a commnet of mine. I was looking at SYMBOL/SOURCENDLII, which was a set of unsupported network protocol sources, and there was a long comment block that signed off with 'Ronald Reagan, Washington Zoo'. I wrote that comment when I was at the Midland Bank Brent computer centre many years ago! Finally, the Burroughs Large Systems (or some of the early versions) has a matrix of lights that could tell the priests what was happening. A comprehensible example was that if a problem occured it would display the work 'DUMP'. When idle the lights normally displayed the Burroughs big-B logo. However the Uk Police National Computer Unit changed theirs to show a picture of a pig. ###### From: stegeman.h@12move.nl (Henk Stegeman) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 2003 03:35:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.146.0.27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058783735 10636 127.0.0.1 (21 Jul 2003 10:35:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 10:35:35 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146530 Larry__Weiss wrote in message news:<3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? > > As an example here's one convention I've started using recently when > I need to leave a note to future developers (probably myself) warning > about a needed improvement that I can't get to right now; in C: > /* 8-( this sorting routine needs to be recoded to a faster method ) */ > This allows me to search for the emoticon "8-(" to find the warts. In a IBM mainframe assembler program: * POSSIBLE RETURN CODES. 03410000 RC00 EQU 0 LIFE IS WONDERFULL. 03420061 RC04 EQU 4 STILL WORTH LIVING. 03430061 RC08 EQU 8 ITS GETTING HARD. 03440061 RC12 EQU 12 WHAT THE HACK... 03450061 RC16 EQU 16 WHERE IS MY LIFE INSURANCE ? 03460061 Henk ###### From: mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:48 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.206.39.53 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 1058790731 205.206.39.53 (Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:32:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:32:11 EDT Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146463 In article <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:32:27 GMT >genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > >GW> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >GW> >GW> > This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty >GW> >days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace >GW> >with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other >GW> >one). >GW> >GW> I have never heard of this one. Please explain it. > > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told British? Danny Kaye, in any event. > > The pellet with the poison's > In the vessel with the pestle > And the chalice with the palace > Has the brew that is true. > > Within two repetitions the hero has the lines in the wrong >order and soon becomes completely confused. Esp. after someone loses one of the cups and a flagon with a dragon has to be substituted. Regards. Mel. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Abigail Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> Reply-To: abigail@abigail.nl X-Date: MMMDCXI September MCMXCIII Organization: Abigail's Kinderboerderijen X-HTTP: http://www.foad.org/%7Eabigail/ X-Revision: $Revision: 1.2 $ Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Date: 21 Jul 2003 13:00:12 GMT Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 15:00:12 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.84.146.74 X-Trace: 1058792412 news.xs4all.nl 49112 213.84.146.74:41129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146430 Charles Richmond (richmond@ev1.net) wrote on MMMDCIX September MCMXCIII in : ++ Charlie Gibbs wrote: ++ > ++ > In article <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> genew@mail.ocis.net ++ > (Gene Wirchenko) writes: ++ > ++ > >Larry__Weiss wrote: ++ > > ++ > >>What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program ++ > >>source code? ++ > > ++ > > I put these two comments in an invoicing program: ++ > > ++ > > * "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." ++ > > * Repeating Entries are written to cinw as they are ++ > > * encountered... ++ > > ++ > > * ...but Auto-Credit transactions are a consolidation. ++ > ++ > * SUBROUTINES (I.E. CLOSE ALL HATCHES BEFORE DIVING) ++ > ++ > Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a ++ > month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse ++ > (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). ++ > ++ To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two ++ hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left ++ hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces ++ between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, ++ has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you ++ are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the ++ first knuckle on your right hand. Yeah, I once did this in programming class. But I didn't get high marks for having a 14 month year. Abigail ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:16:38 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1fyfu6z.uqqjno1om3b0wN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058793400 17466 166.84.199.79 (21 Jul 2003 13:16:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:16:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146539 Torsten Poulin wrote: > ace wrote: > > > I find error messages with a snippet of Danish (my wife's > > second language) attached are very satisfying. > > Somebody once showed me a horrible old piece of Pascal code he > had inherited for controlling some kind of lab equipment. It > contained exactly one comment in Danish: > > { Midlertidigt } > > Now, the program was a real mess. It had no procedures or > functions and the names of the variables could have lifted out > of an old BASIC program. The poor guy, who didn't know Danish, > hoped that the comment might at least provide a clue. It didn't. > "Midlertidigt" can be translated as "temporary", "interim", or > "provisional". At the time, the program had been in use for about > 25 years. It seems it summed up the program very well, you do a kludge for a special one time run and the customer takes it and runs it forever. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1058794274 1485 128.29.24.210 (21 Jul 2003 13:31:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146498 Larry__Weiss writes: >What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? Don't forget the famous tag line in the UNIX CPU scheduler... (from slp.c, 6th edition Unix): /* * This routine is called to reschedule the CPU. * if the calling process is not in RUN state, * arrangements for it to restart must have * been made elsewhere, usually by calling via sleep. */ swtch() [code snipped] /* * Switch to stack of the new process and set up * his segmentation registers. */ retu(rp->p_addr); sureg(); /* * If the new process paused because it was * swapped out, set the stack level to the last call * to savu(u_ssav). This means that the return * which is executed immediately after the call to aretu * actually returns from the last routine which did * the savu. * * You are not expected to understand this. */ [and a tip o'the hat to Dennis Richie] Joe Morris ###### From: nick.keighley@marconi.com (Nick Keighley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 2003 08:15:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8ad2cfb3.0307210715.48b46f02@posting.google.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.201.250.209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058800519 25375 127.0.0.1 (21 Jul 2003 15:15:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 15:15:19 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146540 Howard S Shubs wrote in message news:... > In article <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au>, > ace join_to ware@iinet.net.au (Tony Epton) wrote: > > > I find error messages with a snippet of Danish (my wife's second > > language) attached are very satisfying. > > These usually translate to something mundane out of a phrase book. > > such as "I wish to visit a bookmaker to have my shoes repaired" > > "My hoovercraft is FULL of EELS!" A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnával. -- Nick Keighley ###### From: bill@umsa7.ums.edu (Bill Sudbrink) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: 16 dimensional (you wouldn't understand) Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: umsa7.umd.edu X-Trace: news.ums.edu 1058803313 74380 131.118.1.23 (21 Jul 2003 16:01:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.ums.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!phobos.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.ums.edu!bill Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146441 In article jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >In article <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net>, > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:27:03 GMT >>Charles Richmond wrote: >> >>CR> To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >>CR> hands. >> >> This is the best of all days in month mnemonics. The "Thirty >>days has ..." one to me is about as easy to get right as "The palace >>with the chalice, Has the brew that is true" (or was it the other one). > > I sure like to know how often they had to practice. > >Don't forget the corollary to the month one...something about r >in the name of the month. I can't remember if you're supposed >to do something or not to do something. Often referenced in old Warner Brothers cartoons. Usually mangled. Back to the "Thirty days..." rhyme, I always liked the way Bugs Bunny mangled it in an early appearance: Thirty day has September, April, June and Montana, All the rest have cold weather, except for the summer which isn't often. ###### From: "Pete Hornby" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:29:09 -0700 Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.59.248.131 X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 1058804952 90709 192.59.248.131 (21 Jul 2003 16:29:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 16:29:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!si05!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146506 "Ken Wheatley" wrote in message news:bfgegv$28ej$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > "Richard Steiner" wrote in message > news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > > Here in alt.folklore.computers, > > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: > > > > >This story is second hand at best... > > > > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of > > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole > > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. > > > > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). JEDGARHOOVER is still there. It's the MCP routine which determines what to do when a security violation occurs. The parameters are SUSPECT, INFORMER, DOSSIER, EVIDENCE and MERCY. Pete ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:00:53 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1058806853.439106@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1058806854 23029 80.177.7.220 (21 Jul 2003 17:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:00:54 +0000 (UTC) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146485 "Pete Hornby" wrote in message news:bfh4co$2oil$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > > "Ken Wheatley" wrote in message > news:bfgegv$28ej$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > > "Richard Steiner" wrote in message > > news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > > > Here in alt.folklore.computers, > > > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: > > > > > > >This story is second hand at best... > > > > > > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of > > > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole > > > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. > > > > > > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? > > > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed > (to > > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that > GEORGE > > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > > JEDGARHOOVER is still there. It's the MCP routine which determines what to > do > when a security violation occurs. The parameters are SUSPECT, INFORMER, > DOSSIER, > EVIDENCE and MERCY. LOL, Excellent. :) Haven't written fun stuff like that in ages. Cheers, Rupert ###### From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 2003 17:07:09 GMT Organization: home Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cheeta.uk.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: new-usenet.uk.sun.com 1058807229 24262 129.156.195.54 (21 Jul 2003 17:07:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@new-usenet.uk.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 17:07:09 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!namche.sun.com!news1brm.central.sun.com!new-usenet.uk.sun.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146511 In article , "Ken Wheatley" writes: > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). In SunOS 4, there are a set of kernel functions which handle address space of processes, and they all have a prefix as_ such as as_map, as_checkprot, etc. Sun was responsible for providing the VM system for SVR4, and so these functions were put into the SVR4 codebase and sent off to AT&T. AT&T went through the source and made merging and other changes as necessary. There was just one change to this file -- the function which searched for a hole in the address space, as_hole, was renamed as_gap. ;-) -- Andrew Gabriel ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:32:28 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1fygaj9.t3acdh1ausxfkN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058823153 28041 166.84.199.79 (21 Jul 2003 21:32:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:32:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146538 Andrew Gabriel wrote: > In article , > "Ken Wheatley" writes: > > > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > > In SunOS 4, there are a set of kernel functions which handle address > space of processes, and they all have a prefix as_ such as as_map, > as_checkprot, etc. > > Sun was responsible for providing the VM system for SVR4, and so these > functions were put into the SVR4 codebase and sent off to AT&T. > AT&T went through the source and made merging and other changes as > necessary. There was just one change to this file -- the function > which searched for a hole in the address space, as_hole, was renamed > as_gap. ;-) That's Better? (Rocky voice) -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### Message-ID: <3F1C7A01.30CB5385@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1058823849 12.241.15.59 (Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:44:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:44:09 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:44:09 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146544 Torsten Poulin wrote: > > ace wrote: > > > I find error messages with a snippet of Danish (my wife's > > second language) attached are very satisfying. > > Somebody once showed me a horrible old piece of Pascal code he > had inherited for controlling some kind of lab equipment. It > contained exactly one comment in Danish: > > { Midlertidigt } > > Now, the program was a real mess. It had no procedures or > functions and the names of the variables could have lifted out > of an old BASIC program. The poor guy, who didn't know Danish, > hoped that the comment might at least provide a clue. It didn't. > "Midlertidigt" can be translated as "temporary", "interim", or > "provisional". At the time, the program had been in use for about > 25 years. > Well, *obviously*, the guy was coming back to clean up the program one day. You just have to be patient and *wait* for his return... After all, the copy of the program you had was clearly labeled *provisional*. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 03 10:16:02 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-174.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!feedwest.aleron.net!aleron.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146644 In article <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net (Charles Richmond) writes: >Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a >> month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse >> (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). > >To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left >hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces >between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, >has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you >are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the >first knuckle on your right hand. Say, that's clever... >Can you get this into a comment??? Perhaps, but I haven't yet found a computer that implemented knuckles... -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 03 15:06:16 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <735.332T825T9064530@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-177.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146640 In article <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> rfcommsys@aol.com (RFCOMMSYS) writes: >Seasoned programmers (as opposed to young upstarts who swear on a stack of >Bibles that THEIR code cannot possibly be malfunctioning) will appreciate >this comment found in a program: > >* THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN ...... ..... BUT ...... > >(followed by code to handle the seemingly impossible). A fellow I know always wrote such a routine in his programs, and labeled it CANTHAPN. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 03 15:12:33 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <908.332T1673T9125046@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-178.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146646 In article howard@shubs.net (Howard S Shubs) writes: >In article , Megan >wrote: > >> There are quite a few things in the RT sources... I posted a number >> of them someplace a few years ago, maybe I should collect them and >> make them available somewhere... > >Is the instance of AutoDecrement Deferred addressing mode still in there? "Defer, defer, to the Lord High Executioner..." Oops. Sorry. In one of my programs on a piece of code that worked around one of MS-DOS's crocks, I stole a quote from Frank Zappa: This tree is ugly and it wants to die. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 21 Jul 03 17:35:54 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <841.332T2733T10555838@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-591.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146654 In article bill@umsa7.ums.edu (Bill Sudbrink) writes: >Often referenced in old Warner Brothers cartoons. Usually >mangled. Back to the "Thirty days..." rhyme, I always liked >the way Bugs Bunny mangled it in an early appearance: > >Thirty day has September, >April, June and Montana, >All the rest have cold weather, >except for the summer which isn't often. While we're in the toon world... "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November. All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee and everyone knew what she had." - Mel Blanc -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 22 Jul 03 13:45:06 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbSDwyzY9bzpWgyFB3QiSpyfSs+6VyJmCylnNC6TapRszSv5tCF2dbu X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2003 14:45:28 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-234-52 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146618 In article <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:48 -0400 >mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote: > >MW> > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court >MW> >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told >MW> >MW> British? Danny Kaye, in any event. > > Well, I *thought* it was British - I could be wrong. > IIRC, everybody spoke with a British accent. Does that make it British? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 22 Jul 03 13:47:23 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaqstPQBjOQHSlmDncaJV3aQ2e/9OO0qlvXYnu0v2Kz47GAnYJhDpk7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2003 14:47:45 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-234-52 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146627 In article <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net >(Charles Richmond) writes: > >>Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a >>> month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse >>> (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). >> >>To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >>hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left >>hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces >>between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, >>has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you >>are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the >>first knuckle on your right hand. > >Say, that's clever... The niggle is the count of the month-days between knuckles. > >>Can you get this into a comment??? > >Perhaps, but I haven't yet found a computer that implemented knuckles... First you need pigs. Then you need vinegar. I have succumbed; it's food time. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 22 Jul 03 09:16:55 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <814.333T2778T5565775@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net><3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net><982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid><3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net><20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net><3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net><20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-114.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146648 In article <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net> steveo@eircom.net (Steve O'Hara-Smith) writes: >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:48 -0400 >mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote: > >>> It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court >>>Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told >> >> British? Danny Kaye, in any event. > > Well, I *thought* it was British - I could be wrong. Note to self: look up Danny Kaye when searching for movies to watch on miserable winter days. "The Inspector General generally inspects..." -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 22 Jul 03 09:21:25 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1443.333T1267T5614732@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-116.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146652 In article bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au (Bernd Felsche) writes: >"Charlie Gibbs" writes: > >>In article <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net >>(Charles Richmond) writes: >> >>>Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a >>>> month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse >>>> (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). >>> >>>To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >>>hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left >>>hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces >>>between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, >>>has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you >>>are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the >>>first knuckle on your right hand. >> >>Say, that's clever... >> >>>Can you get this into a comment??? >> >>Perhaps, but I haven't yet found a computer that implemented >>knuckles... > >But I've tried programming one like that; and it worked! :-) >Or rather - it stopped working. Well, I've had my knuckles rapped a few times... -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 22 Jul 03 10:09:44 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <1231.333T2234T6095875@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> <735.332T825T9064530@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F1CC5B1.1AFAAD1E@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-119.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146653 In article <3F1CC5B1.1AFAAD1E@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net (Charles Richmond) writes: > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> In article <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> >> rfcommsys@aol.com (RFCOMMSYS) writes: >> >>> Seasoned programmers (as opposed to young upstarts who swear on a >>> stack of Bibles that THEIR code cannot possibly be malfunctioning) >>> will appreciate this comment found in a program: >>> >>> * THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN ...... ..... BUT ...... >>> >>> (followed by code to handle the seemingly impossible). >> >> A fellow I know always wrote such a routine in his programs, >> and labeled it CANTHAPN. > > Of course, now in modern times, using C, we can write: > > can_not_happen(what); > > Then everything that "can not happen" must call this function, > and pass the code of the error that did *not* occur. In my current programming style, I treat such cases as just another fatal error: quit_cleanup ("This can't be happening!"); -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:51:48 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2003 01:01:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: i0582.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058835670 willi.euronet.nl 45384 194.134.210.73:1238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!213.51.129.3.MISMATCH!newshub1.home.nl!home.nl!nntpfeed-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146688 On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:48 -0400 mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote: MW> > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The Court MW> >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned and told MW> MW> British? Danny Kaye, in any event. Well, I *thought* it was British - I could be wrong. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: "Pete Hornby" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:49:35 -0700 Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <1058806853.439106@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.59.248.131 X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 1058831379 10165 192.59.248.131 (21 Jul 2003 23:49:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2003 23:49:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news2.euro.net!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!si05!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146659 "Rupert Pigott" wrote in message news:1058806853.439106@saucer.planet.gong... > "Pete Hornby" wrote in message > news:bfh4co$2oil$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > > > > "Ken Wheatley" wrote in message > > news:bfgegv$28ej$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > > > "Richard Steiner" wrote in message > > > news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > > > > Here in alt.folklore.computers, > > > > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: > > > > > > > > >This story is second hand at best... > > > > > > > > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of > > > > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole > > > > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? > > > > > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed > > (to > > > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that > > GEORGE > > > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > > > > JEDGARHOOVER is still there. It's the MCP routine which determines what > to > > do > > when a security violation occurs. The parameters are SUSPECT, INFORMER, > > DOSSIER, > > EVIDENCE and MERCY. > > LOL, Excellent. :) > > Haven't written fun stuff like that in ages. > > Cheers, > Rupert Nor have we, sad to say.. That procedure signature certainly predates my involvement with the MCP architecture, which started in 1977. Pete ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 21 Jul 2003 17:43:31 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 21 Jul 2003 18:00:04 -0700, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146692 bill@umsa7.ums.edu (Bill Sudbrink) writes: > Often referenced in old Warner Brothers cartoons. Usually > mangled. Back to the "Thirty days..." rhyme, I always liked > the way Bugs Bunny mangled it in an early appearance: > > Thirty day has September, > April, June and Montana, > All the rest have cold weather, > except for the summer which isn't often. Which is even better than the variation I've heard from multiple sources, one of which credits it to Mad Magazine: Thirty days hath Septober, April, June, and no wonder. All the rest have peanut butter, Except my grandmother, who has a red tricycle. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid> From: Bernd Felsche User-Agent: nn/6.6.3 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:46:39 +0800 Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.144.24 X-Trace: 1058835608 freenews.iinet.net.au 23611 203.59.144.24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!feed-maxim.newsfeeds.com!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146697 "Charlie Gibbs" writes: >In article <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net >(Charles Richmond) writes: >>Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a >>> month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse >>> (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). >>To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >>hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left >>hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces >>between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, >>has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you >>are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the >>first knuckle on your right hand. >Say, that's clever... >>Can you get this into a comment??? >Perhaps, but I haven't yet found a computer that implemented knuckles... But I've tried programming one like that; and it worked! :-) Or rather - it stopped working. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:59:03 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1fygqof.5byqfd15tabfbN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <3f191cf1.38609360@news.m.iinet.net.au> <3F1C7A01.30CB5385@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058839156 3348 166.84.199.79 (22 Jul 2003 01:59:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:59:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146704 Charles Richmond wrote: > Torsten Poulin wrote: > > > > ace wrote: > > > > > I find error messages with a snippet of Danish (my wife's > > > second language) attached are very satisfying. > > > > Somebody once showed me a horrible old piece of Pascal code he > > had inherited for controlling some kind of lab equipment. It > > contained exactly one comment in Danish: > > > > { Midlertidigt } > > > > Now, the program was a real mess. It had no procedures or > > functions and the names of the variables could have lifted out > > of an old BASIC program. The poor guy, who didn't know Danish, > > hoped that the comment might at least provide a clue. It didn't. > > "Midlertidigt" can be translated as "temporary", "interim", or > > "provisional". At the time, the program had been in use for about > > 25 years. > > > Well, *obviously*, the guy was coming back to clean up the > program one day. You just have to be patient and *wait* for > his return... After all, the copy of the program you had was > clearly labeled *provisional*. His employment was terminated before he could get a round tuit. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### Message-ID: <3F1CC539.A86CEA8E@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1058843119 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:05:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:05:19 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:05:19 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146719 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net > (Charles Richmond) writes: > > >Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > >> Whenever I write a routine to calculate the number of days in a > >> month, the comments are the "Thirty days hath September..." verse > >> (all neatly lined up with the corresponding code, of course). > > > > To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two > > hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left > > hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces > > between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, > > has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you > > are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the > > first knuckle on your right hand. > > Say, that's clever... > Well, it's *not* like I thought of it myself...I learned it in grammar school. I suppose it can be helpful, for the poetically impaired. > > > Can you get this into a comment??? > > Perhaps, but I haven't yet found a computer that implemented knuckles... > Perhaps that's what CPU's need...a "brass knuck's" instruction. I have come across code for calculating dates that left out the idea of February 29th altogether. It must have been written the year after leap year, and the programmer figured he would get back to it before the next leap year. Anyway, it was an easy fix. The more interesting date-involved code I wrote involved testing for the beginning and ending of daylight savings time. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F1CC5B1.1AFAAD1E@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> <735.332T825T9064530@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1058843227 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:07:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:07:07 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:07:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146720 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> > rfcommsys@aol.com (RFCOMMSYS) writes: > > >Seasoned programmers (as opposed to young upstarts who swear on a stack of > >Bibles that THEIR code cannot possibly be malfunctioning) will appreciate > >this comment found in a program: > > > >* THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN ...... ..... BUT ...... > > > >(followed by code to handle the seemingly impossible). > > A fellow I know always wrote such a routine in his programs, > and labeled it CANTHAPN. > Of course, now in modern times, using C, we can write: can_not_happen(what); Then everything that "can not happen" must call this function, and pass the code of the error that did *not* occur. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Spies In the Wire Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: spies.com X-Trace: 21 Jul 2003 22:46:59 -0700, spies.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed1.sea.pnap.net!newsfeed.pnap.net!forum.apple.com!news.spies.com!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146732 From article , by Eric Smith : > > Which is even better than the variation I've heard from > multiple sources, one of which credits it to Mad Magazine: > > Thirty days hath Septober, > April, June, and no wonder. > All the rest have peanut butter, > Except my grandmother, who has a red tricycle. Napoleon XIV "I'm in love with my little red tricyle" on the They're coming to take my away album: http://lovelace.fh-bielefeld.de/inkie/Napoleon.html ###### Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:37:59 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030722073759.44a6f187.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <1090.332T145T6163222@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F1CC539.A86CEA8E@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2003 16:08:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p2515.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058890119 willi.euronet.nl 10836 194.134.217.220:1263 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146675 On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:05:19 GMT Charles Richmond wrote: CR> I have come across code for calculating dates that left out the CR> idea of February 29th altogether. I had several SCO XENIX boxes with similar code - they blithely skipped through 29 Feb 1988 and reported it as 1 Mar. A nice start to a monday morning that was! -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: Larry__Weiss Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:30:04 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3F1D587C.B5CE64EA@airmail.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:29:35 -0500 (CDT) NNTP-Posting-Host: ![s And even more if it's executable, not just a declaration! > Using hex pattern DEAD BEEF for initializing memory. There's a list of other readable (English) hex patterns at the "Hexidecimal BABBLE" page http://home.earthlink.net/~onlytim/hextext.htm ###### X-Newsreader: xrn 9.03-beta-14 From: scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) Reply-To: slp53@pacbell.net Subject: Re: humor in source code Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Organization: SL Home Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.202.173.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1058888029 ST000 63.202.173.135 (Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:33:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:33:49 EDT X-UserInfo1: [[PA@SJGYJSWCQH]^JKBOW@@YJ_ZTB\MV@BNMRQIMASJETAANVW[AKWZE\]^XQWIGNE_[EBL@^_\^JOCQ^RSNVLGTFTKHTXHHP[NB\_C@\SD@EP_[KCXX__AGDDEKGFNB\ZOKLRNCY_CGG[RHT_UN@C_BSY\G__IJIX_PLSA[CCFAULEY\FL\VLGANTQQ]FN Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:33:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!49060174!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146573 "Ken Wheatley" writes: >"Richard Steiner" wrote in message >news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > >The Burroughs Meduim Systems also had some humour in code. I think it was >the DMPALL utility that had references to karting where comments should have >been if anyone would have had any hope of understanding what the assembler >code was trying to do. Medium Systems MCPIV/MCPIX had an overlay named 'hiho' which was responsible for rollin/rollout and bulk memory moves (as in hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to work we go). The assembler source code labels were the names of dwarves and other characters from the fairy tale. There is the classic comment in the Unix V6 source code where the new process stack is set-up at the end of fork(): "You are not expected to understand this." Then there were the segment names in HP3000 MPE: Nursery for job creation and Morgue for job termination. scott ###### Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:01:31 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030722190131.02522160.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2003 17:08:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: i0794.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1058893734 willi.euronet.nl 45390 194.134.211.30:1319 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed01.chello.at!amsnews01.chello.com!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146656 On Tue, 22 Jul 03 13:45:06 GMT jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> In article <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:48 -0400 JC> >mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote: JC> > JC> >MW> > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The JC> >Court MW> >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned JC> >and told MW> JC> >MW> British? Danny Kaye, in any event. JC> > JC> > Well, I *thought* it was British - I could be wrong. JC> > JC> IIRC, everybody spoke with a British accent. Does that make it JC> British? That would account for me having the impression that it was, but I don't think Paramount(1) counts as a British film maker. (1) Yes I went and looked it up. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net> <20030722190131.02522160.steveo@eircom.net> Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:45:38 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.206.39.81 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 1058910074 205.206.39.81 (Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:41:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:41:14 EDT Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146626 In article <20030722190131.02522160.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jul 03 13:45:06 GMT >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >JC> In article <20030721195148.757addda.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 07:35:48 -0400 >JC> >mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) wrote: >JC> >MW> > It comes from an old (1956) British comedy called "The >JC> >Court MW> >Jester" in which the hero is given two drinks one poisoned >JC> >and told MW> >JC> >MW> British? Danny Kaye, in any event. >JC> > Well, I *thought* it was British - I could be wrong. >JC> > >JC> IIRC, everybody spoke with a British accent. Does that make it >JC> British? > > That would account for me having the impression that it was, >but I don't think Paramount(1) counts as a British film maker. >(1) Yes I went and looked it up. I don't know, but I'm sure, that there would be a date sometime between the Marx Brothers (viz. Margaret Dumont) and now, when Hollywood dropped the sorta-British accent. I don't know when ... Regards. Mel. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 23 Jul 03 09:33:06 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <955.334T320T5733881@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-555.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146781 In article <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) writes: >Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> Medium Systems MCPIV/MCPIX had an overlay named 'hiho' which was >> responsible for rollin/rollout and bulk memory moves (as in hi-ho, >> hi-ho, it's off to work we go). The assembler source code labels >> were the names of dwarves and other characters from the fairy tale. > > But did they give a role to the forgotten dwarf -- Horney who was > cleaned out of the Disney production. There were many other dwarves that people don't know about: "By the time their numbers had dwindled from fifty to eight, the other dwarves had begun to suspect Hungry." -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: Julian Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:18:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f1df12b$1$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> <735.332T825T9064530@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F1CC5B1.1AFAAD1E@ev1.net> <1231.333T2234T6095875@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.37/37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146783 Well, a board wiring net program that I and a bunch of others worked on in the late 50's would type out messages on the console (this was early days): For a net with more than one "headpin": GORGON For a net with no headpin: ICHABOD. Not source code, but a flowchart symbol I used on a machine where you could hang it by a call to an invalid address - a hangmans noose. (machine was Datamatic 1000). -- Julian Thomas: jt@jt-mj.net http://jt-mj.net In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:28:23 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f1e2a79.25830473@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F170F71.CA877008@airmail.net> <3F1D587C.B5CE64EA@airmail.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146755 Larry__Weiss wrote: >Tim Shoppa wrote: >> And even more if it's executable, not just a declaration! >> > >Using hex pattern DEAD BEEF for initializing memory. > >There's a list of other readable (English) hex patterns at >the "Hexidecimal BABBLE" page > http://home.earthlink.net/~onlytim/hextext.htm Here is a "computer" based on it: Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### Message-ID: <3F1E46FE.E3C920AE@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <3F1DC976.42F3@indynetX.netx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1058941864 12.241.15.59 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:31:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:31:04 GMT Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 06:31:04 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146813 freddy1X wrote: > > Abigail wrote: > > > > > > > ++ To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two > > ++ hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left > > ++ hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces > > ++ between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, > > ++ has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you > > ++ are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the > > ++ first knuckle on your right hand. > > > > Yeah, I once did this in programming class. But I didn't get high > > marks for having a 14 month year. > > > > Abigail > > You forgot to count Septober and Decembuary > Or is it Febtober and Octember??? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:13:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.206.39.95 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 1058975938 205.206.39.95 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:58:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:58:58 EDT Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146772 In article , "John Varela" wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:35:48 UTC, mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) >wrote: >> Esp. after someone loses one of the cups and a flagon >> with a dragon has to be substituted. > >My allusions in an earlier note must have gone over everyone's head. >The old woman rushes up to Danny and exclaims, "But wait! There's >been a change!" [1] She goes on with something like, "The vessel with >the pestle was broken. Now the pellet with the poison is in the >chalice with the palace and the flagon with the dragon has the brew >that is true." Danny is confused. Well, it's a while since I saw it. Yeah, there is some small mnemonic connection between pestles, apothecaries, drugs, poison, So that would have to be the cup that broke (Murphy). >Also, throughout the movie people admonish one another to "Get in, get >at it, get it over with, and get out." Good advice. > >[1] One of the great catch sayings of all time. I'm surprised that >this of all groups is unfamiliar with it. Dang! Video-rental-ho! Unfamiliar hell! I just didn't realize it came from that movie. I mostly remember "Get it?", "Got it.", "Good!". Regards. Mel. ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:59:42 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058972384 14211 166.84.199.79 (23 Jul 2003 14:59:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:59:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146799 Scott Lurndal wrote: > "Ken Wheatley" writes: > >"Richard Steiner" wrote in message > >news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > > > > >The Burroughs Meduim Systems also had some humour in code. I think it was > >the DMPALL utility that had references to karting where comments should have > >been if anyone would have had any hope of understanding what the assembler > >code was trying to do. > > Medium Systems MCPIV/MCPIX had an overlay named 'hiho' which was > responsible for rollin/rollout and bulk memory moves (as in hi-ho, hi-ho, > it's off to work we go). The assembler source code labels were the names > of dwarves and other characters from the fairy tale. But did they give a role to the forgotten dwarf -- Horney who was cleaned out of the Disney production. > There is the classic comment in the Unix V6 source code where the > new process stack is set-up at the end of fork(): > > "You are not expected to understand this." > > Then there were the segment names in HP3000 MPE: Nursery for > job creation and Morgue for job termination. > > scott -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:15:19 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1fyjrls.3ef2waknx01sN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <3F1DC976.42F3@indynetX.netx> <3F1E46FE.E3C920AE@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1058980521 17493 166.84.199.79 (23 Jul 2003 17:15:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:15:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146800 Charles Richmond wrote: > freddy1X wrote: > > > > Abigail wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ++ To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two > > > ++ hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left > > > ++ hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces > > > ++ between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, > > > ++ has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you > > > ++ are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the > > > ++ first knuckle on your right hand. > > > > > > Yeah, I once did this in programming class. But I didn't get high > > > marks for having a 14 month year. > > > > > > Abigail > > > > You forgot to count Septober and Decembuary > > > Or is it Febtober and Octember??? > More likely Neroember and Caliligber -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 03 11:32:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZCiNp8FSLDLWTtdxZFgKNGFOOKC+sTi4NX6G0w+qgKDJEqKVTPkqgK X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 12:33:14 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-28 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146867 In article <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: Yay! >Toby Thain wrote: > >> I just shipped some GPL source which includes the comment, > >I once did one like this: > >Letter to programmers yet unborn. >If you are reading this it is 1 Jan 2070 and the calendar algorithm >turned into a pumpkin on the stroke of midnight last night. Happy new >year. I am probably dead. >To fix it for the next century change... Now that's a way to ensure fame at a point in the future. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 03 12:52:07 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> <955.334T320T5733881@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaor6exDWs0GwERTeRgxLnPuzEiecWD7igz+T6j6RmX8R1sEJkgHX+j X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 13:52:49 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-134 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146871 In article <955.334T320T5733881@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> proto@panix.com >(Walter Bushell) writes: > >>Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >>> Medium Systems MCPIV/MCPIX had an overlay named 'hiho' which was >>> responsible for rollin/rollout and bulk memory moves (as in hi-ho, >>> hi-ho, it's off to work we go). The assembler source code labels >>> were the names of dwarves and other characters from the fairy tale. >> >> But did they give a role to the forgotten dwarf -- Horney who was >> cleaned out of the Disney production. > >There were many other dwarves that people don't know about: > > "By the time their numbers had dwindled from fifty to eight, > the other dwarves had begun to suspect Hungry." This is all news to me :-). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 03 12:52:57 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbxAMk2osPVhAzG1MzhGVGwWwjnrBedPgmcKp4lQG30l8SNUteRNh1M X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 13:53:39 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!199.184.165.233.MISMATCH!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-134 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146869 In article <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com>, proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote: >Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> "Ken Wheatley" writes: >> >"Richard Steiner" wrote in message >> >news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... >> >> > >> >The Burroughs Meduim Systems also had some humour in code. I think it was >> >the DMPALL utility that had references to karting where comments should have >> >been if anyone would have had any hope of understanding what the assembler >> >code was trying to do. >> >> Medium Systems MCPIV/MCPIX had an overlay named 'hiho' which was >> responsible for rollin/rollout and bulk memory moves (as in hi-ho, hi-ho, >> it's off to work we go). The assembler source code labels were the names >> of dwarves and other characters from the fairy tale. > >But did they give a role to the forgotten dwarf -- Horney who was >cleaned out of the Disney production. He shouldn't have played poker with them. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Toby Thain Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Telegraphics Pty Ltd References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Message-ID: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.26.194.94 Lines: 36 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:12:35 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.134.67.67 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: nntp-post.primus.ca 1059006220 203.134.67.67 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:23:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:23:40 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.space.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news.primus.ca!nntp-post.primus.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146891 In article , slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote: > In article , > andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: > > >In a proprietry operating system... > > > > /* */ > > /* We must fix this before the first release of DOS. */ > > I'm /still/ doing that. In something which is going to be > released next month I currently have a comment that says > > -- should really check that the table is the right width here LOL. I think everyone does it :) I just shipped some GPL source which includes the comment, switch(gia.bit_depth){ case 1: /* FIXME: we should check palette is strictly black and white first */ pb->imageMode = plugInModeBitmap; break; Which also demonstrates my preferred method of flagging postponed decisions or postponed effort... T > > I suppose I should put that mug trap in but frankly I doubt > it'll be done for version 1.0. > > ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:54:44 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1fyjxcg.jln9co1kyux8lN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <20030720081200.0cf06700.steveo@eircom.net> <3f1ae68b.2462715@news.ocis.net> <20030721074125.738cba2c.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1059000889 25078 166.84.199.79 (23 Jul 2003 22:54:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:54:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146894 John Varela wrote: > Also, throughout the movie people admonish one another to "Get in, get > at it, get it over with, and get out." Good advice. Not Always. Remeber what Mae West said about Minute Men. She prefered men who take their time. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: Robert Allison Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 23 Jul 2003 23:03:04 GMT Organization: Pine Ridge Systems Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-793.newsdawg.com X-Hamster-Trace: pine-ridge-org 1058921314 4294138657 127.0.0.1 (1 fff35b21 2003.07.23 00:48:33) User-Agent: Xnews/06.02.16 Hamster-Fr/2.0.0.9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146849 Larry__Weiss wrote in message news:<3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program > source code? In CRBE (Conversational Remote Batch Entry) many, many years ago (it was a predecessor of CRJE, and used 2260s on IBM 360s under MVT) there was a routine (in 360 Assembler) called the "Bombastic Blank Buster". And around the same time in some other IBM 360 Assembler code (possibly also CRBE, but this was 30+ years ago so I can't recall exactly), we found someone's grocery shopping list on the microfiche as comments (1 loaf of bread, 1 quart of milk, and so on). The speculation was that the author was coding this section when he got a phone call about what to get on the way home. Robert -- Robert Allison Pine Ridge Systems www.pine-ridge.org ###### From: "Hank Oredson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:04:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.203.97 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1059001442 12.81.203.97 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:04:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:04:02 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146873 "Commander Dave" wrote in message news:vhtucls74bkuf4@corp.supernews.com... > "Larry__Weiss" wrote: > > > > What sort of embedded humor have people here seen in program source code? > > ==snip== > > While this doesn't qualify as source code humor, I was looking at the > sectors on an 8" commercial disk used on a CP/M system (loooong time ago) > and found the following ASCII text in some unused sectors: > > "Confusion will be my epitaph. > As I crawl a cracked and broken path > If we make it we can all sit back and laugh. > But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying, > Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying." > > Looks like it is from a song... in any case, here is the link to the > "lyrics"... > http://www.geocities.com/kinclong2/lagu.html > > I'm afraid I don't have a clue now to what the disk actually was... it's > just too many years ago. :-P > > Cheers! > -Commander Dave "Epitaph" - King Crimson http://users.utu.fi/~petolo/crimson/court.html Google never fails :-) -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:25:30 +0100 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3f18e035.46322581@news.ocis.net> <982.330T2845T4886514@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F19D2FF.3BB29948@ev1.net> <3F1DC976.42F3@indynetX.netx> <3F1E46FE.E3C920AE@ev1.net> <1fyjrls.3ef2waknx01sN%proto@panix.com> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.net (194.153.25.216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059013746 17203687 194.153.25.216 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146893 In article <1fyjrls.3ef2waknx01sN%proto@panix.com>, proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >Charles Richmond wrote: > >> freddy1X wrote: >> > >> > Abigail wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > ++ To me, the easiest thing is to use the knuckles of your two >> > > ++ hands. Start with January on the left knuckle of your left >> > > ++ hand. Then count the months using the knuckles and the spaces >> > > ++ between the knuckles. Every month that falls into a space, >> > > ++ has less than 31 days. When you go from July to August, you >> > > ++ are going from the last knuckle on your left hand to the >> > > ++ first knuckle on your right hand. >> > > >> > > Yeah, I once did this in programming class. But I didn't get high >> > > marks for having a 14 month year. >> > > >> > > Abigail >> > >> > You forgot to count Septober and Decembuary >> > >> Or is it Febtober and Octember??? >> > More likely > >Neroember and Caliligber I would have given Abigail extra marks for just saying "octal". Regards, David P. ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:00:57 -0600 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059015658 17825233 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146889 Toby Thain wrote: > In article , > slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote: > > I just shipped some GPL source which includes the comment, > > switch(gia.bit_depth){ > case 1: /* FIXME: we should check palette is strictly > black and white first */ > pb->imageMode = plugInModeBitmap; > break; > > Which also demonstrates my preferred method of flagging postponed > decisions or postponed effort... I usually use 'TODO:' for this type of comments. And temporary debugging code I usually flag with 'DEBUG:' - both in the comments and in the printed diagnostics. ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:24:10 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059031566 16570 158.152.132.30 (24 Jul 2003 07:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:26:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146881 Toby Thain wrote: > I just shipped some GPL source which includes the comment, I once did one like this: Letter to programmers yet unborn. If you are reading this it is 1 Jan 2070 and the calendar algorithm turned into a pumpkin on the stroke of midnight last night. Happy new year. I am probably dead. To fix it for the next century change... -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: Mike K Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:03:45 +0100 Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3F1FBD11.D9D5EC0F@sun.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Reply-To: Mike.K.Smith@Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: sr-egmp03-05.uk.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: new-usenet.uk.sun.com 1059044629 11980 129.156.85.213 (24 Jul 2003 11:03:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@new-usenet.uk.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 11:03:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79C-CCK-MCD [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!namche.sun.com!news1brm.central.sun.com!new-usenet.uk.sun.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146904 Hank Oredson wrote: > > "Commander Dave" wrote in message > news:vhtucls74bkuf4@corp.supernews.com... > > "Larry__Weiss" wrote: > > > > > > What sort of embedded humor have people here seen in program source code? > > > ==snip== > > > > While this doesn't qualify as source code humor, I was looking at the > > sectors on an 8" commercial disk used on a CP/M system (loooong time ago) > > and found the following ASCII text in some unused sectors: > > > > "Confusion will be my epitaph. > > As I crawl a cracked and broken path > > If we make it we can all sit back and laugh. > > But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying, > > Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying." > "Epitaph" - King Crimson > > http://users.utu.fi/~petolo/crimson/court.html > > Google never fails :-) Sadly I didn't need Google to tell me that. Even worse, I remember the version which Emerson, Lake and Palmer recorded on one of their albums, too. ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1059057539 222 128.29.24.210 (24 Jul 2003 14:38:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:38:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146876 Larry__Weiss wrote: > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program > source code? In Addison Fischer's "Executor" mod to OS/360 to provide fast-batch capabilities, he included extensive commentary at the top of each section of code. In one of the routines, well into the listing, he included something along the following lines: EJECT ********************************************************** * * * T H I S S P A C E F O R R E N T * * * ********************************************************** EJECT ...and picked up with the start of another section. Another place with interesting comments was IBLP40, IBM's linear programming package for IBSYS on the 7040. I won't quote the material since it would come across as rather offensive to some people, but anyone who worked with it probably remembers the comments in the code every time it called S.SCCR to store data in protected memory. Joe Morris ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code From: "John Carlyle-Clarke" References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> Organization: Europlacer Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/06.02.16 Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:53:59 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.5.89.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1059059011 80.5.89.194 (Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:03:31 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:03:31 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!proxad.net!proxad.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146908 Larry__Weiss wrote in news:3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net: > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program > source code? I found some recently in application I am working on (JY are the initials of another programmer on the project). The first part has been in the code for ages, the latter bit appeared recently. // Note: Sign of offsets has to be reversed. // See JY for complicated explanation. // // Don't bother, it is lost in the mist of time. JY. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code From: "John Carlyle-Clarke" References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Organization: Europlacer Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/06.02.16 Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:02:19 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.5.89.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1059059011 80.5.89.194 (Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:03:31 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:03:31 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146903 "Ken Wheatley" wrote in news:bfgegv$28ej$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com: > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got > renamed (to ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem > to remember that GEORGE and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables > were all uppercase then). > I am suprised no-one has mentioned FRED, JIM and SHEILA from the old BBC micro anywhere in this thread. This seemed as good a place as any to do so! http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/f/fred.html ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 24 Jul 03 10:40:57 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1136.335T2898T6406159@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-512.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146968 In article robert@pine-ridge.org (Robert Allison) writes: >And around the same time in some other IBM 360 Assembler code (possibly >also CRBE, but this was 30+ years ago so I can't recall exactly), we >found someone's grocery shopping list on the microfiche as comments (1 >loaf of bread, 1 quart of milk, and so on). The speculation was that >the author was coding this section when he got a phone call about what >to get on the way home. Lost somewhere in my archives is a story about a program that generated PostScript and sent it to a printer. In the middle of the output was a set of comments saying something to the effect of "Enough work, let's make some sourdough pancakes." This was followed by a recipe for the pancakes. Unless you looked at the actual PostScript code that was being sent to the printer, you'd never know. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 25 Jul 03 13:01:10 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbTOsnxtqFN+WCx4P3scX/0ksV2Y6oZdbFqwddesGvoczGKip3BPT1I X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 2003 14:02:03 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-233-123 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146954 In article , mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) wrote: >In article <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com>, >Lars Duening wrote: > ... >>I usually use 'TODO:' for this type of comments. And temporary debugging >>code I usually flag with 'DEBUG:' - both in the comments and in the >>printed diagnostics. > > >I use exclamation points. By default, three in a row, sometimes up to four >or five or as low as two. It makes it easy to grep for severity >=x. You do have to pick your character string so that a processing of those characters will cause a barf if it does try to munch it. ISTM, you're asking for a little bit of trouble by using bangs. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Dave Daniels Subject: humor in source code Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:03:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4c172b2d18dave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03g (RISC-OS/4.36) Organization: None Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust180.tnt5.lnd9.gbr.da.uu.net X-Trace: 1059073306 news.dial.pipex.com 965 62.188.112.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewspeer01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146987 Not quite in source code, but on 'The Register' they are adverting what I assume to be spoofs of the O'Reilly books under the name "O'Really". They have titles such as 'BOFH in a Nutshell', 'Distributing Clue to Users' and so on. Well worth a look, IMHO. Dave Daniels ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:48:45 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f2041a5.12511777@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146933 Joe Morris wrote: [snip] >Another place with interesting comments was IBLP40, IBM's linear >programming package for IBSYS on the 7040. I won't quote the >material since it would come across as rather offensive to some >people, but anyone who worked with it probably remembers the >comments in the code every time it called S.SCCR to store data >in protected memory. You holdout! I am offended! Please post the code. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:12:28 -0400 Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 30 Sender: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39.tc0.std.dialup.ncf.ca X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1059084838 7179 134.117.137.70 (24 Jul 2003 22:13:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 22:13:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Given-From: "Heinz Wiggeshoff" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!news.kjsl.com!xcski.com!freenet-news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146967 "Robert Allison" wrote in message news:Xns93C0D3AEFCEE8robertpineridge@allisor-groucho... > Larry__Weiss wrote in message > news:<3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net>... > > What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program > > source code? > > In CRBE (Conversational Remote Batch Entry) many, many years ago (it was > a predecessor of CRJE, and used 2260s on IBM 360s under MVT) there was a > routine (in 360 Assembler) called the "Bombastic Blank Buster". And boy, were we glad when WYLBUR came up! > > And around the same time in some other IBM 360 Assembler code (possibly > also CRBE, but this was 30+ years ago so I can't recall exactly), we > found someone's grocery shopping list on the microfiche as comments (1 > loaf of bread, 1 quart of milk, and so on). The speculation was that the > author was coding this section when he got a phone call about what to get > on the way home. Name, please. B-) B-) ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1059081242snz@dsl.co.uk> References: My allusions in an earlier note must have gone over everyone's head. > The old woman rushes up to Danny and exclaims, "But wait! There's > been a change!" [1] She goes on with something like, "The vessel with > the pestle was broken. Now the pellet with the poison is in the > chalice with the palace and the flagon with the dragon has the brew > that is true." Danny is confused. > > Also, throughout the movie people admonish one another to "Get in, get > at it, get it over with, and get out." Good advice. > > [1] One of the great catch sayings of all time. I'm surprised that > this of all groups is unfamiliar with it. "There is no such thing as a small change!" On which note, the nomenclature is "the chalice FROM the palace", not "with". Getting to the subject matter of the thread, I've produced some fairly large programs in CWEB in the past; the fact that "the documentation" is all written in \TeX\ allows one considerable scope for making meaningful comments, not to mention wry ones, and I recall one program managed to include quotes from Shakespeare (Lady MacBeth), Aristophanes (_in_ Greek) and (IIRC) Samuel Pepys. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:22:56 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f208483.29633065@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146930 "Hank Oredson" wrote: [snip] >"Epitaph" - King Crimson > >http://users.utu.fi/~petolo/crimson/court.html > >Google never fails :-) But if it did: and following. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:23:01 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f208663.30112701@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <4c172b2d18dave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146928 Dave Daniels wrote: >Not quite in source code, but on 'The Register' they are >adverting what I assume to be spoofs of the O'Reilly books >under the name "O'Really". They have titles such as 'BOFH in a >Nutshell', 'Distributing Clue to Users' and so on. Well worth a >look, IMHO. There used to be a site where you could make up your own. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:51:35 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-234.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146992 In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Now that's a way to ensure fame at a point in the future. They may even add their own. -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:35:43 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3F20DDCF.3C60E8B5@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <4c172b2d18dave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059154438 16021 158.152.132.30 (25 Jul 2003 17:33:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146977 Dave Daniels wrote: > > Not quite in source code, but on 'The Register' they are > adverting what I assume to be spoofs of the O'Reilly books > under the name "O'Really". They have titles such as 'BOFH in a > Nutshell', 'Distributing Clue to Users' and so on. Well worth a > look, IMHO. They are shirts printed with spoofs of the covers. http://www.cashncarrion.co.uk/?listPos=&op=catalogue-products-null&prodCategoryID=14 Since I'm about to have a book on Linux published by Hodder, I wonder if I should get one. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:36:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1059122219 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:36:59 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:36:59 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147007 On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:24:10 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >Toby Thain wrote: > >> I just shipped some GPL source which includes the comment, > >I once did one like this: > >Letter to programmers yet unborn. >If you are reading this it is 1 Jan 2070 and the calendar algorithm >turned into a pumpkin on the stroke of midnight last night. Happy new >year. I am probably dead. >To fix it for the next century change... IIRC it's Feb or Aug 2068 on Unix -- had to check some conversions once upon a time -- is this a different system which becomes a falseticker in the same era? Will not happen then if the data type time_t is changed from signed 32 bit int. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Ingvar Mattsson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 25 Jul 2003 11:41:33 +0100 Organization: Frontier Internet Services Limited (Customer Usenet server) Lines: 14 Sender: ingvar@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net Message-ID: <87adb2zy5e.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> References: <4c172b2d18dave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: shale.ftech.net 1059129648 17076 212.32.17.6 (25 Jul 2003 10:40:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ftech.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:40:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147009 Dave Daniels writes: > Not quite in source code, but on 'The Register' they are > adverting what I assume to be spoofs of the O'Reilly books > under the name "O'Really". They have titles such as 'BOFH in a > Nutshell', 'Distributing Clue to Users' and so on. Well worth a > look, IMHO. They're T-shirts, not books, just so people know. //Ingvar -- When in douFNORD! This signature has been hi-jacked by Fnord Information systems, to fnordprovide you with unfnordlimited information. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:54:36 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <4c172b2d18dave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> <87adb2zy5e.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-197.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146993 In article <87adb2zy5e.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net>, Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > They're T-shirts, not books, just so people know. But they *should* be books. -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:50:05 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com> Reply-To: mschaef_ng@mschaef.com Organization: mschaef.com X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) Originator: mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:50:05 -0500 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.170.88.13 X-Trace: sv3-OUtBc4D6ZiODJSrzBkszVEt6tdUoBAJ2M5He0xnBc/a4WcTXSsZ1UZX9XPpufuoxPYy+Rkvr5UUkmq4!K5bVB7eFvyMhTWRGhwqW7JNNkdPBxIyxkVGG4LF1oy3CVTPDiY/4gq28HVJHHDZ8Ijg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.io.com!news.io.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146957 In article <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com>, Lars Duening wrote: ... >I usually use 'TODO:' for this type of comments. And temporary debugging >code I usually flag with 'DEBUG:' - both in the comments and in the >printed diagnostics. I use exclamation points. By default, three in a row, sometimes up to four or five or as low as two. It makes it easy to grep for severity >=x. -Mike -- http://www.mschaef.com ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:07:53 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com> Reply-To: mschaef_ng@mschaef.com Organization: mschaef.com X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) Originator: mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:07:53 -0500 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.170.88.12 X-Trace: sv3-VWHI9vKjcMzS8HRH97SyyQnSIECNjpf0GXQY9EvOT5qzBuHTlf6aZMp3nbNVTxBSwVo/ThzH238udC0!E9qSQFS/CPALzupGLj4milg8oWo3ukICnbga9odgO4CnMDqPIomGjizlOw8uWJaxJM4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.io.com!news.io.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146953 In article , wrote: >In article , > mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) wrote: ... >You do have to pick your character string so that a processing of >those characters will cause a barf if it does try to munch it. > >ISTM, you're asking for a little bit of trouble by using bangs. Everything's wrapped in comments, so it's not usually a problem. If it's a fix it or "die" kind of thing, I do do something that will cause a compiler error. I don't typically like to leave code in that state for long, however. -Mike -- http://www.mschaef.com ###### Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:36:16 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030725193616.721b4755.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 2003 18:29:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: rot2-p1174.dial.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1059157792 maya.euronet.nl 132 62.234.202.150:1461 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!surfnet.nl!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:146975 On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:36:59 GMT Brian Inglis wrote: BI> IIRC it's Feb or Aug 2068 on Unix -- had to check some BI> conversions once upon a time -- is this a different system which BI> becomes a falseticker in the same era? BI> Will not happen then if the data type time_t is changed from BI> signed 32 bit int. That will not happen in anything like a hurry - there are too many 32 bit time_t holes in things like filesystem code. Instead the aim seems to be to obsolete time_t and replace it with something much finer grained and with much wider scope (libtai) where it matters. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### Message-ID: <3F21B833.D98A42E@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1059167455 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:10:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:10:55 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:10:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147031 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > In article , > mschaef@io.com (MSCHAEF.COM) wrote: > >In article <1fykfq9.r14z6d2529moN%lars@bearnip.com>, > >Lars Duening wrote: > > ... > >>I usually use 'TODO:' for this type of comments. And temporary debugging > >>code I usually flag with 'DEBUG:' - both in the comments and in the > >>printed diagnostics. > > > > > >I use exclamation points. By default, three in a row, sometimes up to four > >or five or as low as two. It makes it easy to grep for severity >=x. > > You do have to pick your character string so that a processing of > those characters will cause a barf if it does try to munch it. > > ISTM, you're asking for a little bit of trouble by using bangs. > Yes, I have seen the following "trick" used in C: at some point in the program, you know that "x" may contain a single one at an indeterminate position...or it may be zero. The following code will move the one to the least significant bit...if there is a one. int x, y; . . . y = !!x; -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:13:12 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <2oh3ivk08cd0j4qkpf8klnmh77hvoqhva2@4ax.com> References: <1059081242snz@dsl.co.uk> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 17.235.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk (212.35.235.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059178608 19363355 212.35.235.17 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!17.235.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147114 In article , Roland Hutchinson in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > >> "There is no such thing as a small change!" On which note, the >> nomenclature is "the chalice FROM the palace", not "with". > >Not to be confused with the gateau from the chateau, of course. 'Allo, 'Allo! "The candle with the handle on the gateau from the chateau," etc. Christmas 1985. RIP humour on BBC tv. Regards, David P. ###### From: Megan Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls4.std.com 1059191403 12828 199.172.62.241 (26 Jul 2003 03:50:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:50:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!mbg Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147048 proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) writes: >But did they give a role to the forgotten dwarf -- Horney who was >cleaned out of the Disney production. There is a Far Side or similar comic which had something like: "When their numbers had been reduced to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry'." (With apologies for not getting the attribution correct) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01460 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (978) 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Charles Shannon Hendrix Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> Reply-To: cshSPAM@SPAM.widomaker.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.249.152 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1059195635 206.246.249.152 (26 Jul 2003 00:00:35 -0500) Lines: 27 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. 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Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news-out.superfeed.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!escape.shannon.net!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147082 In article <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net>, Larry__Weiss wrote: > Larry__Weiss wrote: >> What sort of embedded humor have poeople here seen in program source code? >> > > Here's a cite of a loop coded > > DO UNTIL Nixon_Is_In_Again > > http://www.broadcast.net/pipermail/broadcast/1997-November/004624.html /* * FILE: hairballs.c * * Abandon Hope... * */ #include "inferno.h" -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza____________________s h a n n o n@wido !SPAM maker.com -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys From: Charles Shannon Hendrix Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Reply-To: cshSPAM@SPAM.widomaker.com Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.249.152 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1059195637 206.246.249.152 (26 Jul 2003 00:00:37 -0500) Lines: 17 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1!bredband!news-out.newsfeeds.com!local!corp.newsgroups.com!escape.shannon.net!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147081 In article , Ken Wheatley wrote: > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). Was stuff like this a references to the writers William S. Burroughs? -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza____________________s h a n n o n@wido !SPAM maker.com -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys From: Charles Shannon Hendrix Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Reply-To: cshSPAM@SPAM.widomaker.com Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.249.152 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1059195638 206.246.249.152 (26 Jul 2003 00:00:38 -0500) Lines: 22 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1!bredband!news-out.newsfeeds.com!local!corp.newsgroups.com!escape.shannon.net!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147080 In article , John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: > I am suprised no-one has mentioned FRED, JIM and SHEILA from the old > BBC micro anywhere in this thread. This seemed as good a place as any > to do so! I remember browing the ROM on an Atari ST, and in it was the string "Dave Staugus loves Amy...". Dave was one of the programmers there. I don't remember the complete message right now. -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza____________________s h a n n o n@wido !SPAM maker.com -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1059233071 4514 128.29.24.210 (26 Jul 2003 15:24:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!bigboote.WPI.EDU!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147069 Charles Shannon Hendrix writes: >/* > * FILE: hairballs.c > * > * Abandon Hope... > * > */ Assuming that you are referring to the inscription over the gates of Hell: The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." (translated from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate") For a while I routinely put that into the comments of the abort logic of every program I wrote. Joe Morris ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1059233241 4514 128.29.24.210 (26 Jul 2003 15:27:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:27:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.sunrise.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.news2me.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147071 Charles Shannon Hendrix writes: >I remember browing the ROM on an Atari ST, and in it was the string >"Dave Staugus loves Amy...". >Dave was one of the programmers there. >I don't remember the complete message right now. Running the original Microsoft Word for DOS files through a strings-like filter discovered the following message (or something similar; it's been a few years): Illegal copy detected. The tree of crime bears bitter fruit. Erasing hard disk. I don't know if there was any code behind the threat in the last line. Joe Morris ###### From: Randall Bart Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Please reply without spam Reply-To: admin@RandallBart.spam.com Message-ID: <1875iv0mr96er0isevpco7bbgf1h8l5uc6@4ax.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (Val Dude) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:33:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.88.197.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1059233619 12.88.197.26 (Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:33:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:33:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147098 'Twas Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:02:33 -0400 when all comp.sys.unisys stood in awe as Charles Shannon Hendrix uttered: >> There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to >> ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE >> and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > >Was stuff like this a references to the writers William S. Burroughs? I don't think so. George is Sophia's bastard son. I don't know what that means in a figurative sense, but it has to do with something unusual about the way George is called. In a literal sense it refers to some Queen named Sophia who had a bastard do named George, but I don't know hat that story is about either. Some expert in MCP internals will have to elucidate. I don't know of any references to William Seward Burroughs the younger in the MCP. I don't recall his name ever being mentioned at his grandfather's company. When he was born he stood to inherit a large chunk of Burroughs stock, but his mother was advised that the adding machine business was a dead end, so she sold off nearly all the family stock. -- RB |\ © Randall Bart aa |/ admin@RandallBart.spam.com Barticus@att.spam.net nr |\ Please reply without spam I LOVE YOU 1-917-715-0831 dt ||\ http://RandallBart.com/ DOT-HS-808-065 MS^7=6/28/107 a |/ Play http://sky.4r.st Ånåheim Ångels 2002 World Chåmps! l |\ This is why we spend billions of dollars for drug research: l |/ http://www.cbc.ca/webone/alison/ ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:08:22 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <1059081242snz@dsl.co.uk> <2oh3ivk08cd0j4qkpf8klnmh77hvoqhva2@4ax.com> User-Agent: tin/1.5.18-20030602 ("Darts") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147090 David Powell wrote: > > 'Allo, 'Allo! > "The candle with the handle on the gateau from the chateau," etc. > > Christmas 1985. > > RIP humour on BBC tv. Yeah, that was one of the shows that drove in the last nails ;P pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: Sorry@No.Spam.I.Am (Tom) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:21:23 GMT Organization: . Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <1fyinbn.1pr5jj9k8j0x4N%proto@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tps3.rsvl.unisys.com X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 1059261683 20813 192.61.235.5 (26 Jul 2003 23:21:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2003 23:21:23 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!si05!RV-SHERRETP Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147073 When I was but a lad and I had to walk 3 miles barefoot through the snow to the Computer Center with a deck of cards ... We had four terminals for a staff of about 15 people. It was pretty common for someone to "hover" over the current terminal user, hoping to drive them away sooner rather than later. This was actually a useful experience because the hovering programming would observations on the nature of one's code. Coverstation usually started with a comment like "Hey, you know you can do that in three instructions dontcha?". One time I incorporated such a generously offered situation into my code. To show my appreciation I added a comment to the last instruction: J 0,X11 . PEER PRESSURE The next day when I sat down to work on the code some more when I discovered an unauthorized change: . ONLY TUGBOATS EXPERIENCE ... J 0,X11 . PIER PRESSURE Tom Sherren Unisys - Roseville, MN USA Return address is bogus to avoid spam. My real address looks like Thomas dot Sherren at unisys dot com ###### From: ace join_to ware@iinet.net.au (Tony Epton) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:37:34 GMT Organization: Aceware Programming Pty Ltd Message-ID: <3f235643.9713206@news.m.iinet.net.au> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.54.231 X-Trace: 1059281697 freenews.iinet.net.au 23588 203.59.54.231 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147066 >The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." (translated >from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate") In most of my programs I have a utility that performs database table attachments. It issues a message saying: "The program is about to delete and recreate all attachments. Do not be concerned - no data will be lost" I frequently have the urge to change the last line to : "Do not be concerned Arthur Dent - be very, very frightened" Tony My counsellor told me I must learn to live in the present. Well I'm halfway there - I can't remember what I did yesterday. ###### Message-ID: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1059292684 12.241.15.59 (Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:58:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:58:04 GMT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:58:04 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147105 Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > > In article , John > Carlyle-Clarke wrote: > > > I am suprised no-one has mentioned FRED, JIM and SHEILA from the old > > BBC micro anywhere in this thread. This seemed as good a place as any > > to do so! > > I remember browing the ROM on an Atari ST, and in it was the string > "Dave Staugus loves Amy...". > > Dave was one of the programmers there. > > I don't remember the complete message right now. > I have a downloaded zip file containing *three* ROM images for the Atari ST. I tossed these files onto my Linux box, and used the "strings(1)" utility to isolate the printable ASCII in the ROM's. In the "tos100.img" file, I found one occurance of: "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" In each of the "tos162.img" and "tos206.img" files, I found *two* occurances of: "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" and *one* occurance of: "JIM LOVES JENEANE" (The above preserves the case of the characters in these strings.) In all three ROM files, I found what looks to be prototype information for creating a "DESKTOP.INF" file for the Atari ST. This is a file that should reside on the boot disk, and specifies default locations for disk icons, associations for file extensions, and things like that. Even as a (former) Atari ST user, I was unaware that this "prototype" information existed in the ROM's. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:17:09 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3F23A6A5.DFA13A53@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059301353 2981 158.152.132.30 (27 Jul 2003 10:22:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:22:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147075 Joe Morris wrote: > For a while I routinely put that into the comments of the abort logic > of every program I wrote. Mine are kinder. They are called things like BotherSaidPooh(). -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: Jorgen Grahn Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 18 Sender: jgrahn@algonet.invalid Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kairos.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1059324047 27118 213.150.135.237 (27 Jul 2003 16:40:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:40:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1!bredband!'newsfeed1.telenordia.se'!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147125 On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:58:04 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: ... > I have a downloaded zip file containing *three* ROM images > for the Atari ST. I tossed these files onto my Linux box, > and used the "strings(1)" utility to isolate the printable > ASCII in the ROM's. ... > "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" The "Nu" part might simply be the MC68000 RTS instruction. ("Pop the PC off the stack", RET or whatever name it goes under in the rest of the world. I never learned any other assembly language well.) /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn Would You Let One Marry Your Sister?'' ###### From: Mariani 'Darkpand' Dario Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:33:22 +0200 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1FBD11.D9D5EC0F@sun.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-197-209.98-62.inwind.it (62.98.209.197) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059345836 21165837 62.98.209.197 (16 [146581]) X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail User-Agent: Pan/0.11.3 (Unix) X-Comment-To: "Mike K Smith" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ppp-197-209.98-62.inwind.IT!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147141 On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:03:45 +0200, Mike K Smith wrote: > Sadly I didn't need Google to tell me that. Even worse, I remember the > version which Emerson, Lake and Palmer recorded on one of their albums, > too. Hehe. There's a piece of "Epitaph" inside "Tarkus" in the live album "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends", 1974. This because Lake was the lead singer in King Crimson in the first two albums. -- Mariani "Darkpand" Dario darkpand@libero.it IAFo #126 ICQ# 49365960 "L'uomo e' tanto meno se' stesso quanto piu' parla in persona propria: dategli una maschera e vi dira' la verita'" -- Oscar Wilde ###### From: Julian Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:27:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f243632$1$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.37/37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147140 Again, not exactly source code, but a source code deck. Diagnostic programs for an early machine from a now defunct nameplate (better known for home entertainment products) had the usual 8 column sequence number in cols 73-80. First 3 were segment, coded in roman characters; last 5 sequence within segment. Paging through the listing, coming to segment VII, I wondered how they were going to code the next one. IIX -- Julian Thomas: jt@jt-mj.net http://jt-mj.net In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. ###### Message-ID: <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1059341232 12.241.15.59 (Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:27:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:27:12 GMT Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:27:12 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147151 Jorgen Grahn wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:58:04 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: > ... > > I have a downloaded zip file containing *three* ROM images > > for the Atari ST. I tossed these files onto my Linux box, > > and used the "strings(1)" utility to isolate the printable > > ASCII in the ROM's. > ... > > "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" > > The "Nu" part might simply be the MC68000 RTS instruction. ("Pop the PC off > the stack", RET or whatever name it goes under in the rest of the world. I > never learned any other assembly language well.) > I have *not* tried to disassemble it, but that capital "U" makes me wonder if the whole string does *not* represent some piece of executable 68000 code... IMHO the 68000 assembly language is a good one to learn well...*much* better than the x86 abomination of an assembly language. It is actually reasonable to write programs in 68k assembler IMHO. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:34:54 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <4c172b2d18dave_daniels@argonet.co.uk> <87adb2zy5e.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059345263 304 194.222.24.177 (27 Jul 2003 22:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147144 In article , Howard S Shubs wrote: > Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > >> They're T-shirts, not books, just so people know. > >But they *should* be books. But then something would need to generate content. With a T-shirt you provide your own content. ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:20:31 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f24b477.47297240@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147167 Charles Richmond wrote: >Jorgen Grahn wrote: >> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 07:58:04 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: [snip] >> > "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" >> >> The "Nu" part might simply be the MC68000 RTS instruction. ("Pop the PC off >> the stack", RET or whatever name it goes under in the rest of the world. I >> never learned any other assembly language well.) >> >I have *not* tried to disassemble it, but that capital "U" >makes me wonder if the whole string does *not* represent >some piece of executable 68000 code... IMHO the 68000 >assembly language is a good one to learn well...*much* >better than the x86 abomination of an assembly language. >It is actually reasonable to write programs in 68k assembler >IMHO. While I followed alt.comp.virus, a generally AV group despite the name, I learned of a test program used for checking the functioning of AV programs. It is an MS-DOS executable which displays a test string. It is entirely in displayable characters. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: hf+selten-gelesen@spg.tu-darmstadt.de (Hauke Fath) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:12:29 +0200 Organization: TU Darmstadt Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1fysxj6.erxa48j4oul0N%hf+selten-gelesen@spg.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> Reply-To: hf+usenet@spg.tu-darmstadt.de NNTP-Posting-Host: blech.nt.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.tu-darmstadt.de 1059379942 22254 130.83.186.53 (28 Jul 2003 08:12:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.tu-darmstadt.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:12:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Deutsche-Rechtschreibung: Duden 19. Aufl. (1986) X-Copyright: Hauke Fath. All rights reserved. X-No-Markup: Yes User-Agent: MacSOUP/D-2.4.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!hf+selten-gelesen Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147177 Charles Richmond wrote: > In all three ROM files, I found what looks to be prototype > information for creating a "DESKTOP.INF" file for the > Atari ST. This is a file that should reside on the boot > disk, and specifies default locations for disk icons, > associations for file extensions, and things like that. > Even as a (former) Atari ST user, I was unaware that this > "prototype" information existed in the ROM's. You should have been. When you boot a harddiskless ST without floppy inserted, it displays an empty desktop and pauses for a while (looking for the desktop.inf on floppy), and finally comes up with a default set of icons taken from the desktop.inf information in ROM. hau"It's been a while"ke -- Wer im Usenet gelesen werden will, sollte leserorientiert schreiben. Wer nur für sich schreiben will, dem ist mit einem Tagebuch vielleicht besser geholfen. Gelesen zu werden ist kein Recht, sondern ein Privileg. (Thore Tams in d.n.s.umgangsformen) ###### From: "Chuck Stevens" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:07:11 -0700 Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.59.246.110 X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 1059422832 35782 192.59.246.110 (28 Jul 2003 20:07:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 2003 20:07:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.85!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!si05!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147203 "Ken Wheatley" wrote in message news:bfgegv$28ej$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > Finally, the Burroughs Large Systems (or some of the early versions) has a > matrix of lights that could tell the priests what was happening. A > comprehensible example was that if a problem occured it would display the > work 'DUMP'. When idle the lights normally displayed the Burroughs big-B > logo. However the Uk Police National Computer Unit changed theirs to show a > picture of a pig. B6700's. And the constants in the MCP that produced the Burroughs "B" were commonly patched to show the user site's company logo or some other "local" representation. I visited several different sites that did that. -Chuck Stevens ###### Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:10:23 +0200 From: Segher Boessenkool User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> In-Reply-To: <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> Organization: EuroNet Internet NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 2003 02:28:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p2850.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1059445705 news.euronet.nl 28908 194.134.219.43:49156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@euronet.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147233 Charles Richmond wrote: >>> "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" >> >>The "Nu" part might simply be the MC68000 RTS instruction. ("Pop the PC off >>the stack", RET or whatever name it goes under in the rest of the world. I >>never learned any other assembly language well.) > > I have *not* tried to disassemble it, but that capital "U" > makes me wonder if the whole string does *not* represent > some piece of executable 68000 code... IMHO the 68000 > assembly language is a good one to learn well...*much* > better than the x86 abomination of an assembly language. > It is actually reasonable to write programs in 68k assembler > IMHO. MacsBug tells me (with help from the wonderful "DH" command): Da NEG.W -(A1) ve MOVEQ #$65,D3 _S MOVEA.L (A3),A0 ta MOVEQ #$62,D1 Ug SUBQ.W #$2,-(A7) as BSR.S *+$0075 _lov MOVEA.L $6F76(A4),A0 es BCS.S *+$0075 _B MOVEA.L D2,A0 ea BCS.S *+$0063 _H MOVEA.L A0,A0 ab BSR.S *+$0064 li BGE.S *+$006B g_ BEQ.S *+$0022 Nu RTS That doesn't look too good... at least one of those branches is an astronaut, I think. I'm not good enough at 68k machine code to really tell, though (not sure what condition codes get set by what insns, and what polarity they get set to, etc.) But it might very well be for the sake of a disassembler, if not to really run it, as "Ug" is valid, while "ug" is an invalid opcode. Segher ###### Message-ID: <3F2626BB.598ED3AC@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1059457898 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:51:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:51:38 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:51:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147239 Segher Boessenkool wrote: > > Charles Richmond wrote: > >>> "Dave StaUgas loves Bea Hablig Nu" > >> > >>The "Nu" part might simply be the MC68000 RTS instruction. ("Pop the PC off > >>the stack", RET or whatever name it goes under in the rest of the world. I > >>never learned any other assembly language well.) > > > > I have *not* tried to disassemble it, but that capital "U" > > makes me wonder if the whole string does *not* represent > > some piece of executable 68000 code... IMHO the 68000 > > assembly language is a good one to learn well...*much* > > better than the x86 abomination of an assembly language. > > It is actually reasonable to write programs in 68k assembler > > IMHO. > > MacsBug tells me (with help from the wonderful "DH" command): > > Da NEG.W -(A1) > ve MOVEQ #$65,D3 > _S MOVEA.L (A3),A0 > ta MOVEQ #$62,D1 > Ug SUBQ.W #$2,-(A7) > as BSR.S *+$0075 > _lov MOVEA.L $6F76(A4),A0 > es BCS.S *+$0075 > _B MOVEA.L D2,A0 > ea BCS.S *+$0063 > _H MOVEA.L A0,A0 > ab BSR.S *+$0064 > li BGE.S *+$006B > g_ BEQ.S *+$0022 > Nu RTS > > That doesn't look too good... at least one of those > branches is an astronaut, I think. I'm not good enough > at 68k machine code to really tell, though (not sure what > condition codes get set by what insns, and what polarity > they get set to, etc.) > > But it might very well be for the sake of a disassembler, > if not to really run it, as "Ug" is valid, while "ug" is > an invalid opcode. > Could it be that disassembly should begin the byte *before* the letter "D"??? It could change the interpretation of the instructions completely. Where is Dave Staugas when we need to ask him these pressing questions??? Inquiring minds want to know!!! ;-) -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:25:30 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059460656 29614 158.152.132.30 (29 Jul 2003 06:37:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:37:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147227 Segher Boessenkool wrote: > _S MOVEA.L (A3),A0 > ta MOVEQ #$62,D1 > Ug SUBQ.W #$2,-(A7) > as BSR.S *+$0075 > _lov MOVEA.L $6F76(A4),A0 > That doesn't look too good... at least one of those > branches is an astronaut, I think. I'm not good enough It's unlikely to be valid code as we have two moves to the A0 register without the first value being used or having a useful side-effect. I agree that it is a lovely processor. I've done some fun tricks in 68k assembler, including getting from an angle in one register to sine and cosine in two registers in four (or was it five) integer instructions. A great deal of the picture rotation you see on TV depends on that trick to do lightning trig on a vanilla 68k. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### Message-ID: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1059461708 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:55:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:55:08 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 06:55:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147235 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > Segher Boessenkool wrote: > > > _S MOVEA.L (A3),A0 > > ta MOVEQ #$62,D1 > > Ug SUBQ.W #$2,-(A7) > > as BSR.S *+$0075 > > _lov MOVEA.L $6F76(A4),A0 > > > That doesn't look too good... at least one of those > > branches is an astronaut, I think. I'm not good enough > > It's unlikely to be valid code as we have two moves to the A0 register > without the first value being used or having a useful side-effect. > > I agree that it is a lovely processor. I've done some fun tricks in 68k > assembler, including getting from an angle in one register to sine and > cosine in two registers in four (or was it five) integer instructions. A > great deal of the picture rotation you see on TV depends on that trick > to do lightning trig on a vanilla 68k. > Since it is *so* short...perhaps you could post details on *now* to accomplish this "lightning trig"... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:30:39 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: tin/1.5.18-20030602 ("Darts") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147230 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > It's unlikely to be valid code as we have two moves to the A0 register > without the first value being used or having a useful side-effect. Oh, I've worked with compilers that have generated harmless bilge like that ;) -- IAR's PIC18 compiler (think of Dr Johnson's quote about a dog walking on its back legs) broke the optimizer once, and it would generate long sequences of benign but pointless loads to WREG... ;) Fortunately they fixed it quickly. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 03 10:25:36 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYP/qc2mU4i13gNomixJKIev0SxYecrKV1Bd+06bR4J5Ptu1QZk21dx X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 2003 11:27:07 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gol.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-123 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147262 In article <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >BTW the final manuscript of "Teach Yourself Linux" went off to my >publishers (Hodder) yesterday. They expect to have it in the bookshops >in January. Does it cover internals, too? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:19:19 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: tin/1.5.18-20030602 ("Darts") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147285 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > It's not what you program. It's how you program. Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: Roger Johnstone Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Lines: 23 Message-ID: <20030729233055354+1200@news.inv.ihug.co.nz> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21-max3.inv.ihug.co.nz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1059478257 30212 203.173.223.53 (29 Jul 2003 11:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:30:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!rip!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147279 In John Carlyle- Clarke wrote: > > I am suprised no-one has mentioned FRED, JIM and SHEILA from the old > BBC micro anywhere in this thread. This seemed as good a place as any > to do so! > > http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/f/fred.html Apple II ProDOS, version 2.0 at least, has the string JIMJAYKERRY&MIKE embedded in it. -- Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand Apple II - FutureCop:LAPD - iMac Game Wizard http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rojaws/ ________________________________________________________________________ "It would appear that we have reached the limits of what it is possible to achieve with computer technology, although one should be careful with such statements, as they tend to sound pretty silly in 5 years." John Von Neumann (circa 1949) ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:19:25 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3F26BAAD.7E96D54F@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059512093 28991 158.152.132.30 (29 Jul 2003 20:54:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:54:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.tiscali.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147283 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Does it cover internals, too? Not in any detail. Most of it is things like how to install, set up databases, use openoffice, use the shell, make backups, set up networking, run servers and that sort of thing. It's only 63,000 words, I had to leave a lot out. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:21:01 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059512109 28991 158.152.132.30 (29 Jul 2003 20:55:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147282 Pete Fenelon wrote: > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. Pragmatic Programming - that would make a good title. Starts thinking about next book proposal. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:46:50 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3f243632$1$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059518774 9087 194.222.24.177 (29 Jul 2003 22:46:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147381 In article <3f243632$1$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net>, Julian Thomas wrote: >Diagnostic programs for an early machine from a now defunct nameplate >(better known for home entertainment products) had the usual 8 column >sequence number in cols 73-80. > >First 3 were segment, coded in roman characters; last 5 sequence within >segment. Are you telling me that a computer language actually required the use of Roman Numerals when it could have used decimal ? Besides INTERCAL, of course. ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:17:59 -0600 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1fyvbae.opryr215wuq0tN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059520679 18492997 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147387 Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: > Pete Fenelon wrote: > > > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. > > Pragmatic Programming - that would make a good title. Starts thinking > about next book proposal. Well, there's Kernighan and Pike's "The Practice Of Programming". ###### From: Randall Bart Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Please reply without spam Reply-To: admin@RandallBart.spam.com Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (Val Dude) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:37:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.88.200.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1059536277 12.88.200.27 (Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:37:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:37:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147386 'Twas Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:05:03 -0400 when all comp.sys.unisys stood in awe as Charles Shannon Hendrix uttered: >I remember browing the ROM on an Atari ST, and in it was the string >"Dave Staugus loves Amy...". The Atari ST also had a picture of Clip-Art Bob in the character set. Put characters 1C and 1D on one line, 1E and 1F on the next and there is a picture of Bob. Medium Systems TIFINQ was a messy little program full of meaningless paragraph names such as KCUF, OLD-NAG, DARK-HORSE, and CLOCKER-JIM. The latter is named for Jim Rothe. As Jim explained it to me, he and another guy were ordered to write TIFINQ to show off Jim's product TIFMGR in time for a convention. Jim and the other guy wanted to be at the race track, not at work doing this program, leading to the numerous horse references. Clocker Bob was the name of a famous handicapper. -- RB |\ © Randall Bart aa |/ admin@RandallBart.spam.com Barticus@att.spam.net nr |\ Please reply without spam I LOVE YOU 1-917-715-0831 dt ||\ http://RandallBart.com/ Ånåheim Ångels 2002 World Chåmps! a |/ Multiple sclerosis: http://www.cbc.ca/webone/alison/ l |\ DOT-HS-808-065 The Church Of The Unauthorized Truth: l |/ MS^7=6/28/107 http://yg.cotut.com mailto:s@cotut.com ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 04:02:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1059537749 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:02:29 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:02:29 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147304 On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:21:01 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >Pete Fenelon wrote: > >> tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart >> of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. > >Pragmatic Programming - that would make a good title. Starts thinking >about next book proposal. Got it, read it: The Pragmatic Programmer; Andrew Hunt, David Thomas; AW; Oct 1999; ISBN 020161622X: they're a couple of the Agile Manifesto authors. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:30:44 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyvbae.opryr215wuq0tN%lars@bearnip.com> User-Agent: tin/1.5.18-20030602 ("Darts") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147362 Lars Duening wrote: > Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: > >> Pete Fenelon wrote: >> >> > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart >> > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. >> >> Pragmatic Programming - that would make a good title. Starts thinking >> about next book proposal. > > Well, there's Kernighan and Pike's "The Practice Of Programming". A favourite book of mine! ;) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:47:17 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059572837 23304 80.177.7.220 (30 Jul 2003 13:47:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:47:17 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147335 wrote in message news:bg5lmb$3h1$5@bob.news.rcn.net... > In article <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > > >BTW the final manuscript of "Teach Yourself Linux" went off to my > >publishers (Hodder) yesterday. They expect to have it in the bookshops > >in January. > > Does it cover internals, too? Get the source. Or have a browse on the web, there used to be a number of websites covering the internals, but bear in mind they change faster than books are published. This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. Cheers, Rupert ###### Message-ID: <3F27E8A5.1372D1B5@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1059573076 12.241.15.59 (Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:51:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:51:16 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:51:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147390 Pete Fenelon wrote: > > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > It's not what you program. It's how you program. > > Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of > useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. > Anyone interested in programming with tables and other speed-up techniques...should take a look at the books called _Graphic Gems_. There are at least three volumes so far, and they contain techniques for getting decent graphics performance out of less powerful processors. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Organization: Honest Chris' Sysadmin Emporium X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:53:47 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 2003 17:11:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.3.247.95 X-Trace: 1059585063 news.gradwell.net 56606 cbh/80.3.247.95 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@gradwell.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.f.de.plusline.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!zen.net.uk!195.149.39.56.MISMATCH!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147330 According to Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) : > Pragmatic Programming - that would make a good title. Starts thinking > about next book proposal. I quite like "Preventative Programming." Could be taken any way you wish... :) Chris. -- "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" Neil, '84 Currently playing: random early '80s radio stuff http://www.chrishedley.com - assorted stuff, inc my genealogy. Gan canny! ###### Message-ID: <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1059585699 12.241.15.59 (Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:21:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:21:39 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:21:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147393 Rupert Pigott wrote: > > wrote in message news:bg5lmb$3h1$5@bob.news.rcn.net... > > In article <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, > > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > > > > > >BTW the final manuscript of "Teach Yourself Linux" went off to my > > >publishers (Hodder) yesterday. They expect to have it in the bookshops > > >in January. > > > > Does it cover internals, too? > > Get the source. Or have a browse on the web, there used > to be a number of websites covering the internals, but > bear in mind they change faster than books are published. > > This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. > This is sort of a "red herring", isn't it BAH??? I mean, you don't have any source to Windows 3.11, but you are using that OS. Perhaps you should move over to Linux or BSD *first*...and then worry about learning the internals. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Larry Krablin" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:42:20 -0400 Organization: Unisys Tredyffrin Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ustr-krablilg.na.uis.unisys.com X-Trace: trsvr.tr.unisys.com 1059597381 28941 192.63.245.205 (30 Jul 2003 20:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@tr.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:36:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!trsvr.tr.unisys.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147352 My memory of GEORGE (I wasn't there) is that it arose from "let George do it". The procedure GEORGE was responsible for process switches. SOPHIA was, by dint of some clever usage of the B6700 addressing hardware, George's mother (or so I remember the comment saying). "Charles Shannon Hendrix" wrote in message news:pgusfb.r7m.ln@escape.shannon.net... > In article , Ken Wheatley wrote: > > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > > Was stuff like this a references to the writers William S. Burroughs? > > > > -- > UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza____________________s h a n n o n@wido !SPAM maker.com > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 03 10:37:43 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaJRwdynfyoixG/vhid8qdHVkwfqEHNOpIJ7zt9QSbxoHlYgtRNCumm X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 11:39:36 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-80 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147440 In article <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: >Rupert Pigott wrote: >> >> wrote in message news:bg5lmb$3h1$5@bob.news.rcn.net... >> > In article <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, >> > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >> > >> > >> > >BTW the final manuscript of "Teach Yourself Linux" went off to my >> > >publishers (Hodder) yesterday. They expect to have it in the bookshops >> > >in January. >> > >> > Does it cover internals, too? >> >> Get the source. Or have a browse on the web, there used >> to be a number of websites covering the internals, but >> bear in mind they change faster than books are published. >> >> This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. >> >This is sort of a "red herring", isn't it BAH??? I mean, >you don't have any source to Windows 3.11, but you are >using that OS. Perhaps you should move over to Linux or >BSD *first*...and then worry about learning the internals. > I am really beginning to wonder if somebody installed a translator on my system that converts English ASCII to Martian. I was curious about Mr. Billings' book and asked a question about internals. His book isn't very large and I wondered just how much he managed to put into it. The reason I picked "internals" is because the 2-3 character answer would have told me a ton of information without wasting Mr. Billings' time. I know I'm not going nuts but the world out there is sure trying to convince me I am. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 03 10:40:27 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbyGGjuLdg+kN/hHXokfvR9nALjS7IpkPF2dnJVebNmf1c/Ium9kPDT X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 11:42:19 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-80 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147445 In article <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >Rupert Pigott wrote: > >> This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. > >I think it's wonderful how you can spend half a year busting a gut to >give birth to a book which you hope will be of some benefit to the >community (as well as making a bit of cash), and within a week of >finishing three people tell you, either on usenet or by e-mail, that >you've written the wrong book. > >If you can't take a joke you're on the wrong planet. My apologies for asking a trick question. It was designed to provide me a ton of information via a 2-3 character answer from you. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 03 10:42:55 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbfaxTjqjj9GDGU1z6Sk73XBSSOMCtIBpnvAU71mwiKB1QxoYn22GXI X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 11:44:48 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-80 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147444 In article <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl>, Segher Boessenkool wrote: >Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: >> Segher Boessenkool wrote: > >>>That doesn't look too good... at least one of those >>>branches is an astronaut, I think. >> >> It's unlikely to be valid code as we have two moves to the A0 register >> without the first value being used or having a useful side-effect. > >Oh, that doesn't make it invalid code (just not very >useful) -- but I was afraid of one of those branches >shooting into space. All right. Now I'm really confused. Didn't you guys ever hear of adding an extra instruction so that timing comes out right? Didn't you ever hear of adding a "useless" move so that memory gets referenced before you get the real data? Some days, you have to fool the machine. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Marco S Hyman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 30 Jul 2003 15:16:04 -0700 Organization: S.N.A.F.U. -- http://www.snafu.org/ Lines: 26 Sender: marc@hana.snafu.org Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dumbcat.snafu.org (64.174.80.155) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059603424 23038900 64.174.80.155 (16 [97260]) X-Orig-Path: dumbcat.snafu.org!news User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dumbcat.snafu.ORG!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147454 "Ken Wheatley" writes: > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). NORMALBOJ, NORMALEOJ, and NORMALGEORGE lived in the procedure called SOPHIA, but were called directly from other procedures. SOPHIA's job was to put RCW-s for those three procedures in a global array called CONTROLSTACK. UNWANTEDGEORGE fits in here someplace, too. INITIATE took the RCW for NORMALGEORGE, turn it into a PCW, and put it in the PALACE word (offset 37 HEX) of the task array for the job. So says some old notes I found, anyway! > The Burroughs Meduim Systems also had some humour in code. I think it was > the DMPALL utility that had references to karting where comments should have > been if anyone would have had any hope of understanding what the assembler > code was trying to do. Weren't the comments by more than one author, discussing the benefits of this kart/engine vs that? It's been a long time since I looked at that code. // marc ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:19:33 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 67 Message-ID: <1059603573.919463@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059603574 7180 80.177.7.220 (30 Jul 2003 22:19:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:19:34 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147457 "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" wrote in message news:bg9e9k$grt$1@shell.monmouth.com... > In article <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong>, > Rupert Pigott wrote: > > wrote in message news:bg5lmb$3h1$5@bob.news.rcn.net... > >> In article <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, > >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > >> > >> > >> >BTW the final manuscript of "Teach Yourself Linux" went off to my > >> >publishers (Hodder) yesterday. They expect to have it in the bookshops > >> >in January. > >> > >> Does it cover internals, too? > > > >Get the source. Or have a browse on the web, there used > >to be a number of websites covering the internals, but > >bear in mind they change faster than books are published. > > > >This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. Ugh, that came out wrong... Perhaps if I substituted 'a' for 'one'. Dunno... > >Cheers, > >Rupert > > > > > > Nah, there's books on Linux covering the subject. Us *BSD users just > like how solid the doggone thing is and how many years worth of testing > it's had. > > "GNU/"Linux looks like someone implementing SysV from an incomplete spec > and some code snippets. It just doesn't feel well integrated and there > are just too many cases where the man pages just aren't up to snuff > compared with *BSD. > > From Amazon.com... > > Linux Core Kernel Commentary, Scott Andrew Maxwell Out of date (2.2) > Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition by Alessandro Rubini, et al Probably out of date with respect to 2.5 and the forthcoming 2.6. > Understanding the Linux Kernel (2nd Edition) by Daniel P. Bovet, Marco Probably out of date with respect to 2.5 and the forthcoming 2.6. "The new edition of the book has been updated to cover version 2.4 of the kernel, which is quite different from version 2.2" It's a game of leap-frog that normally a customer wouldn't see with a closed development environment. In the case of Linux the target seems to move considerably faster than the BSDs. Hmm, I should go through the rest... But there's a sample anyways. Come to think of it I'm wondering if the BSD books or as up to date. :) Cheers, Rupert ###### Message-ID: <3sx+SVAH+EK$EwRf@golf1iry.plus.com> From: Malcolm Ball Sender: Malcolm Ball Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Lines: 19 Organization: Little to None MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U <3maDMBLiWAx4DhXDwYoRQioUyp> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:06:47 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.87.190 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards.force9.net 1059606773 212.159.87.190 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:12:53 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:12:53 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.ifi.unizh.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!landlord!wards.force9.net.POSTED!golf1iry.plus.com!malcolm.ball Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147470 In article , Ken Wheatley writes >"Richard Steiner" wrote in message >news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... >> Here in alt.folklore.computers, >> "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: >> >> >This story is second hand at best... Another second hand line was quoted to Me. When I was a CSE working mostly on B800's in London. We had a customer with a lot of installed units. One of our support guys had seen the listing of the program's source code and said "The labels look more like Welsh station names than labels". The programers were I think Danish. -- Malcolm Ball News4 address is correct but increments periodically ###### From: Ben Hutchings Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:15:30 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com> Reply-To: Ben Hutchings NNTP-Posting-Host: pc1-cmbg1-4-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.com (62.253.133.26) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059607806 23722078 62.253.133.26 (16 [70929]) X-Orig-Path: decadentplace.org.uk!nobody User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pc1-cmbg1-4-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147417 In article <20030719222252.14537.00000303@mb-m04.aol.com>, RFCOMMSYS wrote: > I found this comment in front of code to handle error conditions: > > "BUT ... IT WORKED WHEN I TESTED IT" In a similar vein: ###### From: Ben Hutchings Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:17:10 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> Reply-To: Ben Hutchings NNTP-Posting-Host: pc1-cmbg1-4-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.com (62.253.133.26) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059607807 23722078 62.253.133.26 (16 [70929]) X-Orig-Path: decadentplace.org.uk!nobody User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pc1-cmbg1-4-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147420 In article <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com>, Henk Stegeman wrote: > In a IBM mainframe assembler program: > * POSSIBLE RETURN CODES. 03410000 > RC00 EQU 0 LIFE IS WONDERFULL. 03420061 > RC04 EQU 4 STILL WORTH LIVING. 03430061 > RC08 EQU 8 ITS GETTING HARD. 03440061 > RC12 EQU 12 WHAT THE HACK... 03450061 > RC16 EQU 16 WHERE IS MY LIFE INSURANCE ? 03460061 When I see symbolic constants whose names just tell me the number again, I really want to hit the person responsible. ###### From: Ben Hutchings Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:23:14 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Ben Hutchings NNTP-Posting-Host: pc1-cmbg1-4-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.com (62.253.133.26) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059607805 23722078 62.253.133.26 (16 [70929]) X-Orig-Path: decadentplace.org.uk!nobody User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pc1-cmbg1-4-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147421 In article , Brian Inglis wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:24:10 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" > wrote: > >>Toby Thain wrote: >> >>> I just shipped some GPL source which includes the comment, >> >>I once did one like this: >> >>Letter to programmers yet unborn. >>If you are reading this it is 1 Jan 2070 and the calendar algorithm >>turned into a pumpkin on the stroke of midnight last night. Happy new >>year. I am probably dead. >>To fix it for the next century change... > > IIRC it's Feb or Aug 2068 on Unix 2038 (2^31 seconds or 68 years after 1970). > -- had to check some > conversions once upon a time -- is this a different system which > becomes a falseticker in the same era? MacOS and PalmOS in 2040 (2^32 seconds or 136 years after 1904). My Palm came with a warranty that says I can get a free upgrade if it still works then! > Will not happen then if the data type time_t is changed from > signed 32 bit int. Yes. I expect we will all be using 64-bit machines by then, so 64-bit time_t will be no problem... except for those still running unportable 32-bit code in emulation. -- Ben Hutchings 73.46% of all statistics are made up. ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:55:43 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059609793 13695 158.152.132.30 (31 Jul 2003 00:03:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:03:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147475 Rupert Pigott wrote: > This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. I think it's wonderful how you can spend half a year busting a gut to give birth to a book which you hope will be of some benefit to the community (as well as making a bit of cash), and within a week of finishing three people tell you, either on usenet or by e-mail, that you've written the wrong book. If you can't take a joke you're on the wrong planet. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:49 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059611811 23690100 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147495 Pete Fenelon wrote: > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > It's not what you program. It's how you program. > > Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of > useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. Well, it would be nice if this kind of stuff would be taught, but it is not that the information is not available. The real problem is that many programmers nowadays don't want to learn, especially not in their spare time, and companies don't encourage them to learn. The unavailability of source code to learn from is but the icing on the cake. ###### From: arargh307NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:12:07 -0500 Organization: Not Really! Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tcr243.dynip.ripco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: e250.ripco.com 1059617538 28586 209.100.226.243 (31 Jul 2003 02:12:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:12:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147531 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:17:10 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >In article <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com>, >Henk Stegeman wrote: > >> In a IBM mainframe assembler program: >> * POSSIBLE RETURN CODES. 03410000 >> RC00 EQU 0 LIFE IS WONDERFULL. 03420061 >> RC04 EQU 4 STILL WORTH LIVING. 03430061 >> RC08 EQU 8 ITS GETTING HARD. 03440061 >> RC12 EQU 12 WHAT THE HACK... 03450061 >> RC16 EQU 16 WHERE IS MY LIFE INSURANCE ? 03460061 > >When I see symbolic constants whose names just tell me the number >again, I really want to hit the person responsible. From IEUASM (AS037) (these were 80 col lines) *NOTE- TO BRING THE ASSEMBLER LISTING UP TO STANDARDS, ABSOLUTE * 00360000 * REGISTERS HAVE BEEN MADE SYMBOLIC AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN * 00380000 * MODIFIED, WITHOUT CHANGING ORIGIONAL OBJECT CODE. * 00400000 I would guess some PHB said that hard coded numbers were not allowed. -- Arargh307 at [drop the 'http://www.' from ->] http://www.arargh.com BCET Basic Compiler Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/index.html To reply by email, remove the garbage from the reply address. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:53:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1059619999 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:53:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:53:19 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147399 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:23:14 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, Ben Hutchings wrote: >In article , Brian Inglis wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:24:10 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" >> wrote: >> >>> >>>I once did one like this: >>> >>>Letter to programmers yet unborn. >>>If you are reading this it is 1 Jan 2070 and the calendar algorithm >>>turned into a pumpkin on the stroke of midnight last night. Happy new >>>year. I am probably dead. >>>To fix it for the next century change... >> >> IIRC it's Feb or Aug 2068 on Unix ^^ I knew that -- just used the wrong epoch! >2038 (2^31 seconds or 68 years after 1970). Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1059620242 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:57:22 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:57:22 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147404 On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:49 -0600 in alt.folklore.computers, lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) wrote: >Pete Fenelon wrote: > >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >> > It's not what you program. It's how you program. >> >> Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of >> useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making >> tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart >> of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. > >Well, it would be nice if this kind of stuff would be taught, but it is >not that the information is not available. The real problem is that many >programmers nowadays don't want to learn, especially not in their spare >time, and companies don't encourage them to learn. The unavailability of >source code to learn from is but the icing on the cake. Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from than ever before -- open source distributions, magazine and book publishing websites! Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: "John Homes" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:47:08 +1200 Organization: EDS New Zealand Limited Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-134-251-233-156.dhcp.nz.eds.com X-Trace: hermes.nz.eds.com 1059623231 25878 134.251.233.156 (31 Jul 2003 03:47:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hermes.nz.eds.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:47:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.eds.co.nz!news.nz.eds.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147450 wrote in message news:jhugivshiv3e2r2cr0na1je9g1sp02lk4o@4ax.com... > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:17:10 +0100, Ben Hutchings > From IEUASM (AS037) (these were 80 col lines) > > *NOTE- TO BRING THE ASSEMBLER LISTING UP TO STANDARDS, ABSOLUTE > * 00360000 > * REGISTERS HAVE BEEN MADE SYMBOLIC AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN > * 00380000 > * MODIFIED, WITHOUT CHANGING ORIGIONAL OBJECT CODE. > * 00400000 > > I would guess some PHB said that hard coded numbers were not allowed. > That particular case is reasonable, in that until fairly recently, there was no register use cross-reference in the listing. By making the registers symbolic, you could get a cross-reference. The latest assembler does produce a register cross-reference, so symbolic registers are no longer as useful. I've got into the habit anyway, and will go on writing code with symbolic registers, but changing existing working code is no longer a Good Idea. Because multiple uses for each register are inevitable, meaningful symbolics are a potential gotcha. John Homes ###### From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.204.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1059630256 12.207.204.17 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:44:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:44:16 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:44:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147514 "John Homes" wrote in message news:bga3fv$p8m$1@hermes.nz.eds.com... > > wrote in message > news:jhugivshiv3e2r2cr0na1je9g1sp02lk4o@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:17:10 +0100, Ben Hutchings > > From IEUASM (AS037) (these were 80 col lines) > > > > *NOTE- TO BRING THE ASSEMBLER LISTING UP TO STANDARDS, ABSOLUTE > > * 00360000 > > * REGISTERS HAVE BEEN MADE SYMBOLIC AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN > > * 00380000 > > * MODIFIED, WITHOUT CHANGING ORIGIONAL OBJECT CODE. > > * 00400000 > > > > I would guess some PHB said that hard coded numbers were not allowed. > > > > That particular case is reasonable, in that until fairly recently, there was > no register use cross-reference in the listing. By making the registers > symbolic, you could get a cross-reference. > > The latest assembler does produce a register cross-reference, so symbolic > registers are no longer as useful. I've got into the habit anyway, and will > go on writing code with symbolic registers, but changing existing working > code is no longer a Good Idea. > > Because multiple uses for each register are inevitable, meaningful symbolics > are a potential gotcha. I knew of one IBM Assembler routine where the R(number) symbolic names didn't match the number. It might be that they originally did, and someone needed to change some registers. It might have been a Fortran library routine. -- glen ###### Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:50:58 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030731075058.06c4bbf1.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 17:00:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p3426.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1059670806 maya.euronet.nl 155 212.129.225.106:1313 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewspeer01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147483 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:55:43 +0100 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: BB> finishing three people tell you, either on usenet or by e-mail, that BB> you've written the wrong book. Well of course it's the wrong book - get your tum-tums(1) this way: Spam - The Email Marketing Cookbook Spam - Avoidance and Suppression wait a while Spam - Advanced Delivery Techniques (get your message through the blocks) Spam - Beat the Pros (Filtering to Extreme) wait a while ... BB> If you can't take a joke you're on the wrong planet. You can always write a followup :) (1) How many pockets ? -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: arargh307NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:41:03 -0500 Organization: Not Really! Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tcr227.dynip.ripco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: e250.ripco.com 1059633675 21767 209.100.226.227 (31 Jul 2003 06:41:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:41:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!216.170.153.135.MISMATCH!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147537 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:47:08 +1200, "John Homes" wrote: > wrote in message >news:jhugivshiv3e2r2cr0na1je9g1sp02lk4o@4ax.com... >> From IEUASM (AS037) (these were 80 col lines) >> >> *NOTE- TO BRING THE ASSEMBLER LISTING UP TO STANDARDS, ABSOLUTE >> * 00360000 >> * REGISTERS HAVE BEEN MADE SYMBOLIC AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN >> * 00380000 >> * MODIFIED, WITHOUT CHANGING ORIGIONAL OBJECT CODE. >> * 00400000 >> >> I would guess some PHB said that hard coded numbers were not allowed. >> > >That particular case is reasonable, in that until fairly recently, there was >no register use cross-reference in the listing. By making the registers >symbolic, you could get a cross-reference. > >The latest assembler does produce a register cross-reference, so symbolic >registers are no longer as useful. I've got into the habit anyway, and will >go on writing code with symbolic registers, but changing existing working >code is no longer a Good Idea. > >Because multiple uses for each register are inevitable, meaningful symbolics >are a potential gotcha. I haven't been near an IBM mainframe since 1975. Back when I wrote ASM for one, ISTR that I always just used R0, R1, R2 . . . And then documented what they were used for. -- Arargh307 at [drop the 'http://www.' from ->] http://www.arargh.com BCET Basic Compiler Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/index.html To reply by email, remove the garbage from the reply address. ###### From: arargh307NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:55:37 -0500 Organization: Not Really! Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tcr227.dynip.ripco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: e250.ripco.com 1059634549 22947 209.100.226.227 (31 Jul 2003 06:55:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:55:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147528 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:44:16 GMT, "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" wrote: >I knew of one IBM Assembler routine where the R(number) symbolic names >didn't match the number. It might be that they originally did, and someone >needed to change some registers. It might have been a Fortran library >routine. From IGG0208 (LO526) Here's a cutie :-) * * EQUATE SYMBOLIC REGISTERS * R0 EQU 0 R1 EQU 1 R2 EQU 2 R3 EQU 3 R4 EQU 4 R5 EQU 5 R6 EQU 6 R7 EQU 7 R8 EQU 8 R9 EQU 8 R10 EQU 10 R11 EQU 11 R12 EQU 12 R13 EQU 13 R14 EQU 14 R15 EQU 9 R16 EQU 15 RBASE EQU 3 RCORE EQU 4 RPAR EQU 5 RWTG EQU 6 RPARC EQU 7 RWTGC EQU 8 RA EQU 11 RB EQU 12 RC EQU 13 RD EQU 14 RJ EQU 15 -- Arargh307 at [drop the 'http://www.' from ->] http://www.arargh.com BCET Basic Compiler Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/index.html To reply by email, remove the garbage from the reply address. ###### From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 259 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.204.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc54 1059637901 12.207.204.17 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:51:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:51:41 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:51:41 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc54.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147422 wrote in message news:llehiv0e5tef5p8nl9pu8jeo97gom3h0v6@4ax.com... > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:44:16 GMT, "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" > wrote: > > >I knew of one IBM Assembler routine where the R(number) symbolic names > >didn't match the number. It might be that they originally did, and someone > >needed to change some registers. It might have been a Fortran library > >routine. > From IGG0208 (LO526) Here's a cutie :-) > * > * EQUATE SYMBOLIC REGISTERS > * > R0 EQU 0 > R1 EQU 1 > R2 EQU 2 > R3 EQU 3 > R4 EQU 4 > R5 EQU 5 > R6 EQU 6 > R7 EQU 7 > R8 EQU 8 > R9 EQU 8 > R10 EQU 10 > R11 EQU 11 > R12 EQU 12 > R13 EQU 13 > R14 EQU 14 > R15 EQU 9 > R16 EQU 15 (snip) Yes, that is pretty good. I was just reading in another newsgroup a question about how to compute arctangent, and someone then wondering about how the Fortran library did it. Soooo, I posted, and then noticed that it uses L instead if LM to restore registers. Look carefully at the registers used. I don't think this is the one I was remembering, though. I think they are numbering registers in the order that they are using them, instead of the register number. LATN TITLE 'ARCTANGENT FUNCTION (LONG)' 00900018 IHCLATAN CSECT 01800018 * ARCTANGENT FUNCTION (LONG) 02700018 * 1. REDUCE THE CASE TO THE 1ST OCTANT BY USING 03600018 * ATAN(-X) = -ATAN(X), ATAN(1/X) = PI/2-ATAN(X). 04500018 * 2. REDUCE FURTHER TO THE CASE /X/ LESS THAN TAN(PI/12) 05400018 * BY ATAN(X) PI/6+ATAN((X*SQRT3-1)/(X+SQRT3)). 06300018 * 3. FOR THE BASIC RANGE (X LESS THAN TAN(PI/12)), USE 07200018 * A FRACTIONAL APPROXIMATION. 08100018 SPACE 09000018 ENTRY DATAN 09900018 SPACE 10800018 GRA EQU 1 ARGUMENT POINTER 11700018 GRS EQU 13 SAVE AREA POINTER 12600018 GRR EQU 14 RETURN REGISTER 13500018 GRL EQU 15 LINK REGISTER 14400018 GR0 EQU 0 SCRATCH REGISTERS 15300018 GR1 EQU 1 16200018 GR2 EQU 14 17100018 FR0 EQU 0 ANSWER REGISTER 18000018 FR2 EQU 2 SCRATCH REGISTERS 18900018 FR4 EQU 4 19800018 FR6 EQU 6 20700018 SPACE 21600018 USING *,GRL 22500018 DATAN BC 15,LATAN 23400018 DC AL1(5) 24300018 DC CL5'DATAN' 25200018 SPACE 26100018 LATAN STM GRR,GRL,12(GRS) SAVE REGISTERS 27000018 L GR1,0(GRA) 27900018 LD FR0,0(GR1) OBTAIN ARGUMENT 28800018 L GR0,0(GR1) SAVE ARG FOR SIGN CONTROL 29700018 LPER FR0,FR0 AND SET SIGN POSITIVE 30600018 LD FR4,ONE 31500018 SR GR1,GR1 GR1, GR2 FOR DISTINGUISHING CASES 32400018 LA GR2,ZERO 33300018 CER FR0,FR4 34200018 BC 12,SKIP1 35100018 LDR FR2,FR4 IF X GREATER THAN 1, TAKE INVERSE 36000018 DDR FR2,FR0 AND INCREMEMENT GR1 BY 16 36900018 LDR FR0,FR2 37800018 LA GR1,16 38700018 SPACE 39600018 SKIP1 CE FR0,SMALL IF ARG LESS THAN 16**-7, ANS=ARG. 40500018 BC 12,READY THIS AVOIDS UNDERFLOW EXCEPTION 41400018 CE FR0,TAN15 42300018 BC 12,SKIP2 43200018 LDR FR2,FR0 IF X GREATER THAN TAN(PI/12), 44100018 MD FR0,RT3M1 REDUCE X TO (X*SQRT3-1)/(X+SQRT3) 45000018 SDR FR0,FR4 COMPUTE X*SQRT3-1 AS 45900018 ADR FR0,FR2 X*(SQRT3-1)-1+X 46800018 AD FR2,RT3 TO GAIN ACCURACY 47700018 DDR FR0,FR2 48600018 LA GR2,8(GR2) INCREMENT GR2 BY 8 49500018 SPACE 50400018 SKIP2 LDR FR6,FR0 COMPUTE ATAN OF REDUCED ARGUMENT BY 51300018 MDR FR0,FR0 ATAN(X) = X+X*X**2*F, WHERE 52200018 LD FR4,C7 F = C1+C2/(X**2+C3+C4/ 53100018 ADR FR4,FR0 (X**2+C5+C6/(X**2+C7))) 54000018 LD FR2,C6 54900018 DDR FR2,FR4 55800018 AD FR2,C5 56700018 ADR FR2,FR0 57600018 LD FR4,C4 58500018 DDR FR4,FR2 59400018 AD FR4,C3 60300018 ADR FR4,FR0 61200018 LD FR2,C2 62100018 DDR FR2,FR4 63000018 AD FR2,C1 63900018 MDR FR0,FR2 64800018 MDR FR0,FR6 65700018 ADR FR0,FR6 66600018 SPACE 67500018 READY AD FR0,0(GR1,GR2) DEPENDING ON THE CASE, 68400018 LNR GR1,GR1 EITHER ADD 0 OR PI/6, OR 69300018 SD FR0,ZERO(GR1) SUBTRACT FROM PI/3 OR PI/2 70200018 LPER FR0,FR0 71100018 LTR GR0,GR0 DO THE LATTER IN TWO STEPS 72000018 BC 10,*+6 IF SIGN WAS NEGATIVE, 72900018 LNER FR0,FR0 ANSWER IS NEGATIVE 73800018 SPACE 74700018 EXIT L GRR,12(GRS) 75600018 MVI 12(GRS),X'FF' 76500018 BCR 15,GRR RETURN 77400018 SPACE 78300018 DS 0F 79200018 SMALL DC X'3A100000' 80100018 DS 0D 81000018 C1 DC X'BF1E31FF1784B965' -0.7371899082768562E-2 81900018 C2 DC X'C0ACDB34C0D1B35D' -0.6752198191404210 82800018 C3 DC X'412B7CE45AF5C165' 0.2717991214096480E+1 83700018 C4 DC X'C11A8F923B178C78' -0.1660051565960002E+1 84600018 C5 DC X'412AB4FD5D433FF6' 0.2669186939532663E+1 85500018 C6 DC X'C02298BB68CFD869' -0.1351430064094942 86400018 C7 DC X'41154CEE8B70CA99' 0.1331282181443987E+1 87300018 RT3M1 DC X'40BB67AE8584CAA8' SQRT(3)-1 88200018 ONE DC X'4110000000000000' THESE 89100018 RT3 DC X'411BB67AE8584CAB' SQRT(3) SIX 90000018 ZERO DC D'0' 0 CONSTANTS 90900018 DC X'40860A91C16B9B2C' PI/6 MUST 91800018 DC X'C0921FB54442D184' -PI/2+1 BE 92700018 DC X'BFC152382D736574' -(PI/3-F)+1 CONSECUTIVE 93600018 TAN15 DC X'40449851' 94500018 END 95400018 ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:11:26 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> User-Agent: tin/1.5.18-20030602 ("Darts") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.8-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147485 Brian Inglis wrote: > > Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from > than ever before -- open source distributions, magazine and book > publishing websites! > But Sturgeon's law applies to Open Source. ;) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1059655851 5037 128.29.24.210 (31 Jul 2003 12:50:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:50:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.f.de.plusline.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!bigboote.WPI.EDU!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147469 arargh307NOSPAM@NOW.AT.arargh.com writes: >*NOTE- TO BRING THE ASSEMBLER LISTING UP TO STANDARDS, ABSOLUTE >* 00360000 >* REGISTERS HAVE BEEN MADE SYMBOLIC AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN >* 00380000 >* MODIFIED, WITHOUT CHANGING ORIGIONAL OBJECT CODE. >* 00400000 >I would guess some PHB said that hard coded numbers were not allowed. More likely it wasn't a PHB but a programmer who had to maintain the code. There are few more exasperating tasks than trying to figure out where a register is being clobbered in a large program where symbolic register names weren't used. Of course, if you really want to have fun you can code register equates like the following: R1 EQU 4 R2 EQU 7 R3 EQU 12 I can't remember the actualy constant values for the equates, but this idiocy appeared in the MFT-I nucleus. I have a vague recollection (vague because MFT-I was obsoleted by MFT-II in 1968) that the equates were used in the RB search routine in the task dispatcher. Joe Morris ###### From: "Jeff J. Wilson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:24:00 -0700 Organization: Unisys Corp. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3F2950B0.C7A29E97@unisys.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.59.228.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 1059672240 14212 192.59.228.67 (31 Jul 2003 17:24:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 17:24:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.online.be!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsoutpeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsinpeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!bbnews1.unisys.com!si05!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147407 Ken Wheatley wrote: > > "Richard Steiner" wrote in message > news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... > > Here in alt.folklore.computers, > > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: > > > > >This story is second hand at best... > > > > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of > > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole > > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. > > > > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > I was hoping someone else would chime in since this is all way before my time and I don't remember the full story. However, I believe the humor was that GEORGE was declared inside SOPHIA and GEORGE was supposed to be an English King. I'm not up on English history to know who Sophia is, and maybe I'm misremembering the whole thing. And the procedure in DSSSupport that starts remote tasks (and so roughly corresponds to ANABOLISM in the MCP) is called BNABOLISM. ###### From: jmiller@istar.ca (John Miller) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:56:01 GMT Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3f2957e8.8147582@news.ca.inter.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1059674074 1089 207.6.105.177 (31 Jul 2003 17:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147448 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:23:14 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >MacOS and PalmOS in 2040 (2^32 seconds or 136 years after 1904). My >Palm came with a warranty that says I can get a free upgrade if it >still works then! > Didn't they fix that on the Mac? Or was it an earlier drop-dead date that got fixed? John Miller ###### From: leenb@ber-hi-tag-there-nolli.net Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Bertagnolli Galactic Enterprises Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F2950B0.C7A29E97@unisys.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14-5.0smp (i586)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!news.bertagnolli.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147487 Jeff J. Wilson wrote: > Ken Wheatley wrote: >> >> "Richard Steiner" wrote in message >> news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... >> > Here in alt.folklore.computers, >> > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: >> > >> > >This story is second hand at best... >> > >> > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of >> > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole >> > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. >> > >> > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? >> >> There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to >> ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE >> and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). >> > I was hoping someone else would chime in since this is all way before > my time and I don't remember the full story. However, I believe the > humor was that GEORGE was declared inside SOPHIA and GEORGE was > supposed to be an English King. I'm not up on English history to know > who Sophia is, and maybe I'm misremembering the whole thing. Isn't part of the joke that the scoping rules allow that GEORGE can be in SOPHIA, but SOPHIA can never, ever, be in GEORGE? > And the procedure in DSSSupport that starts remote tasks (and so > roughly corresponds to ANABOLISM in the MCP) is called BNABOLISM. ###### Message-ID: <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1059678963 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:16:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:16:03 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:16:04 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147524 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > In article <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net>, > Charles Richmond wrote: > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > This is sort of a "red herring", isn't it BAH??? I mean, > > you don't have any source to Windows 3.11, but you are > > using that OS. Perhaps you should move over to Linux or > > BSD *first*...and then worry about learning the internals. > > > I am really beginning to wonder if somebody installed a translator > on my system that converts English ASCII to Martian. I was > curious about Mr. Billings' book and asked a question about internals. > His book isn't very large and I wondered just how much he managed > to put into it. The reason I picked "internals" is because the > 2-3 character answer would have told me a ton of information without > wasting Mr. Billings' time. > Sorry, BAH, my fault... IIRC, you seem to be waiting for some way to re-build the Linux kernal...*before* you begin trying to learn or use Linux. That was *not* mentioned in your post to Mr. Billings... My post is responding more to what your history is (I thought)... > > I know I'm not going nuts but the world out there is sure trying > to convince me I am. > In some ways, we all wish we were going nuts...but the computer world *is* in the bad shape that we see it. It is *not* a delusion. I pinched myself several times...but Mi$uck and the "script kiddies" are still there... :-( -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F298764.AEF806DF@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1059679253 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:20:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:20:53 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:20:53 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147525 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > Rupert Pigott wrote: > > > This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. > > I think it's wonderful how you can spend half a year busting a gut to > give birth to a book which you hope will be of some benefit to the > community (as well as making a bit of cash), and within a week of > finishing three people tell you, either on usenet or by e-mail, that > you've written the wrong book. > IMHO some people are moving to BSD because Linux is becoming *too* mainstream for them. Although I may count myself with the iconoclasts (even though I still use Linux), ISTM that there is a great market for your book on Linux. I have been disappointed in the majority of books on Linux...so I may give your book a look. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F2987FF.34757DC6@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1059679408 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:23:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:23:28 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:23:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147521 Lars Duening wrote: > > Pete Fenelon wrote: > > > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > > It's not what you program. It's how you program. > > > > Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of > > useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making > > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. > > Well, it would be nice if this kind of stuff would be taught, but it is > not that the information is not available. The real problem is that many > programmers nowadays don't want to learn, especially not in their spare > time, and companies don't encourage them to learn. The unavailability of > source code to learn from is but the icing on the cake. > You mean the unavailability of source code is "the last nail in the coffin"... I hope all those folks out there begin to realize... ignorance is *not* a virtue. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F298979.7906ADF1@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1059679786 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:29:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:29:46 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:29:46 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147518 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > In article <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl>, > Segher Boessenkool wrote: > >Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: > >> Segher Boessenkool wrote: > > > >>>That doesn't look too good... at least one of those > >>>branches is an astronaut, I think. > >> > >> It's unlikely to be valid code as we have two moves to the A0 register > >> without the first value being used or having a useful side-effect. > > > >Oh, that doesn't make it invalid code (just not very > >useful) -- but I was afraid of one of those branches > >shooting into space. > > All right. Now I'm really confused. Didn't you guys ever > hear of adding an extra instruction so that timing comes out > right? Didn't you ever hear of adding a "useless" move so > that memory gets referenced before you get the real data? > Some days, you have to fool the machine. > Soemthing similar happened in a project I worked on circa twenty years ago. Another guy wrote some assembly language to handle the doling out of a shared memory area set up between the tasks to implement a primative sort of message passing. When you wanted a message buffer...you called his routine and the buffer was allocated for you. His code was self-modifying. One instruction stored an address in the address field of the *next* instruction. The next instruction of course immediately accessed that address. And the code was crashing. He would step through the code with the debugger, and everything seemed to work right. But the code still crashed during regular use. As it turns out, the machine was *not* updating the cache memory fast enough. The solution was to add a no-op instruction between the store of the address and its use. After that, *no* problem. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F298D3B.9FD03B8D@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1059680748 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:45:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:45:48 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:45:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147526 Marco S Hyman wrote: > > "Ken Wheatley" writes: > > > There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to > > ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE > > and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). > > NORMALBOJ, NORMALEOJ, and NORMALGEORGE lived in the procedure called > SOPHIA, but were called directly from other procedures. SOPHIA's > job was to put RCW-s for those three procedures in a global array > called CONTROLSTACK. UNWANTEDGEORGE fits in here someplace, too. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Do you mean that Bush was President of the U.S. even then??? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1059681092 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:51:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:51:32 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:51:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147516 Glen Herrmannsfeldt wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > I knew of one IBM Assembler routine where the R(number) symbolic names > didn't match the number. It might be that they originally did, and someone > needed to change some registers. It might have been a Fortran library > routine. > This is similar to the story that: #define PI 3.1415926 should be used throughout the program, instead of the numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "John Homes" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:22:24 +1200 Organization: EDS New Zealand Limited Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F298D3B.9FD03B8D@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-134-251-233-156.dhcp.nz.eds.com X-Trace: hermes.nz.eds.com 1059682946 16589 134.251.233.156 (31 Jul 2003 20:22:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hermes.nz.eds.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:22:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.eds.co.nz!news.nz.eds.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147449 Marco S Hyman wrote: > > > NORMALBOJ, NORMALEOJ, and NORMALGEORGE lived in the procedure called > SOPHIA, but were called directly from other procedures. SOPHIA's > job was to put RCW-s for those three procedures in a global array > called CONTROLSTACK. UNWANTEDGEORGE fits in here someplace, too. > ISTR GEORGETHEUNDERTAKER, responsible for teardown of terminating tasks. John Homes ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:27:23 -0600 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059690443 24534460 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!feedme.news.mediaways.net!telefonica.de!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-feed1.de1.concert.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147517 Brian Inglis wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:49 -0600 in alt.folklore.computers, > lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) wrote: > > >Pete Fenelon wrote: > > > >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > >> > It's not what you program. It's how you program. > >> > >> Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of > >> useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making > >> tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > >> of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. > > > >Well, it would be nice if this kind of stuff would be taught, but it is > >not that the information is not available. The real problem is that many > >programmers nowadays don't want to learn, especially not in their spare > >time, and companies don't encourage them to learn. The unavailability of > >source code to learn from is but the icing on the cake. > > Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from > than ever before -- open source distributions, magazine and book > publishing websites! As far as magazines and books are concerned: people have to _want_ to read and learn from them, and the source in question should cover more than how get the latest 4-letter-acronym running on your 5-letter system. And Open Source - don't you know that OS' disregard for intellectual hot air and monetarization is the prime reason for the slip in overall software quality and innovativeness? I am joking, of course, but I have met enough developers who actually believe something along those lines. The concept of standing on the shoulders of giants is lost on them. ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:27:24 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1fyyy69.lo077i101hhyvN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <3F2987FF.34757DC6@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059690444 24534460 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147493 Charles Richmond wrote: > Lars Duening wrote: > > > > Well, it would be nice if this kind of stuff would be taught, but it is > > not that the information is not available. The real problem is that many > > programmers nowadays don't want to learn, especially not in their spare > > time, and companies don't encourage them to learn. The unavailability of > > source code to learn from is but the icing on the cake. > > > You mean the unavailability of source code is "the last nail in > the coffin"... Ok, I was exaggerating a bit :-) ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:27:25 -0600 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1fyyyeh.l09h45oberysN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F298979.7906ADF1@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059690445 24534460 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147500 Charles Richmond wrote: > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > Soemthing similar happened in a project I worked on circa > twenty years ago. Another guy wrote some assembly language > to handle the doling out of a shared memory area set up between > the tasks to implement a primative sort of message passing. > When you wanted a message buffer...you called his routine and > the buffer was allocated for you. > > His code was self-modifying. One instruction stored an address > in the address field of the *next* instruction. The next instruction > of course immediately accessed that address. And the code was > crashing. He would step through the code with the debugger, and > everything seemed to work right. But the code still crashed during > regular use. > > As it turns out, the machine was *not* updating the cache memory > fast enough. The solution was to add a no-op instruction between > the store of the address and its use. After that, *no* problem. Ooh, similar tricks have been played on the x86 and the 68k, exploiting the instruction prefetching mechanisms and that the prefetched instructions were not affected by changes to the bytecode. The uses I remember were that on the x86 it was used to keep people from singlestepping through a program with a debugger, and the 68k Amiga used it to reset the machine programmatically (at one point of the sequence the RAM circuitry was reset, so the processor had to rely on the prefetch to execute the jump to the restart routine). ###### From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 31 Jul 2003 22:38:31 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F298979.7906ADF1@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vpn-129-156-96-56.emea.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: new-usenet.uk.sun.com 1059691111 16925 129.156.96.56 (31 Jul 2003 22:38:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@new-usenet.uk.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 22:38:31 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!feed.news.qwest.net!namche.sun.com!news1brm.central.sun.com!new-usenet.uk.sun.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147478 In article <3F298979.7906ADF1@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond writes: > > His code was self-modifying. One instruction stored an address > in the address field of the *next* instruction. The next instruction > of course immediately accessed that address. And the code was > crashing. He would step through the code with the debugger, and > everything seemed to work right. But the code still crashed during > regular use. > > As it turns out, the machine was *not* updating the cache memory > fast enough. The solution was to add a no-op instruction between > the store of the address and its use. After that, *no* problem. I worked on the GEC 4000 series. There were several computers in the range with different length instruction pipelines from 1 to 4 instructions. I recall writing some code to work out the instruction pipeline length. The last instruction was a load accumulator literal 8. The machine had a decrement store location opcode as a single instruction, and the previous 8 instructions were to decrement the value of the last instruction, which changed it into load 7, load 6, load 5, etc. The result in the accumulator was the instruction pipeline length for that particular machine... DECS LABEL DECS LABEL DECS LABEL DECS LABEL DECS LABEL DECS LABEL DECS LABEL DECS LABEL LABEL: LDL 8 -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:50:42 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059691803 26536 194.222.24.177 (31 Jul 2003 22:50:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147504 In article <3F26BB0D.B1476C2B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >Pragmatic Programming - that would make a good title. Starts thinking >about next book proposal. > >-- >I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook >and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ Maybe it's time to change your .sig. ###### From: Larry Elmore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030714 Debian/1.4-2 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> In-Reply-To: <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Message-ID: <77jWa.23534$Vt6.10680@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.120.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1059700291 12.237.120.43 (Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:11:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:11:31 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:11:31 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147519 Lars Duening wrote: > > I am joking, of course, but I have met enough developers who actually > believe something along those lines. The concept of standing on the > shoulders of giants is lost on them. "If I have seen less far, it's because I've fallen in the footprints of giants..." --anonymous ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:40:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1059705627 24.71.223.147 (Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:40:27 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:40:27 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147507 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:27:23 -0600 in alt.folklore.computers, lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) wrote: >Brian Inglis wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:49 -0600 in alt.folklore.computers, >> lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) wrote: >> >> >Pete Fenelon wrote: >> > >> >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >> >> > It's not what you program. It's how you program. >> >> >> >> Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of >> >> useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making >> >> tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart >> >> of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. >> > >> >Well, it would be nice if this kind of stuff would be taught, but it is >> >not that the information is not available. The real problem is that many >> >programmers nowadays don't want to learn, especially not in their spare >> >time, and companies don't encourage them to learn. The unavailability of >> >source code to learn from is but the icing on the cake. >> >> Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from >> than ever before -- open source distributions, magazine and book >> publishing websites! > >As far as magazines and books are concerned: people have to _want_ to >read and learn from them, and the source in question should cover more >than how get the latest 4-letter-acronym running on your 5-letter >system. > >And Open Source - don't you know that OS' disregard for intellectual hot >air and monetarization is the prime reason for the slip in overall >software quality and innovativeness? > >I am joking, of course, but I have met enough developers who actually >believe something along those lines. The concept of standing on the >shoulders of giants is lost on them. Let them trip over the outstretched feet of [MS] dwarves, then! Intel-like 64 bit systems are nearly ready for prime time: isn't it about time MS made all their 32 bit software obsolete? I can hardly wait! Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: gordonf@xtra.co.nz (Gordon Findlay) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <3f2a2936.17663598@news.xtra.co.nz> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F2950B0.C7A29E97@unisys.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:50:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.102.70 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1059727828 203.96.102.70 (Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:50:28 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:50:28 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147436 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:24:00 -0700, "Jeff J. Wilson" wrote: >Ken Wheatley wrote: >> >> "Richard Steiner" wrote in message >> news:tF0G/oHpvmTG092yn@visi.com... >> > Here in alt.folklore.computers, >> > "Michael N. LeVine" spake unto us, saying: >> > >> > >This story is second hand at best... >> > >> > I've heard stories about comments in the Burroughs MCP before, some of >> > them telling of routines called JUDGE and SHERRIF [sic], and a whole >> > storyline that ran through parts of the process management code. >> > >> > Perhaps some of the c.s.u partitipants can enlighten the a.f.c folks? >> >> There was certainly a motherforker in MCP at one time, that got renamed (to >> ANABOLISM?). There was also JEDGARHOOVER, and I seem to remember that GEORGE >> and SOPHIA lived in a PALACE (variables were all uppercase then). >> > >I was hoping someone else would chime in since this is all way before >my time and I don't remember the full story. However, I believe the >humor was that GEORGE was declared inside SOPHIA and GEORGE was >supposed to be an English King. I'm not up on English history to know >who Sophia is, and maybe I'm misremembering the whole thing. George I of England's mother was Sophia, last grad-daughter of James 1 ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: hoh@invalid.invalid (Goran Larsson) Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: Organization: [1] + 5934 done /bin/rm -rf ~/ & X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test73 (May 24, 2000) References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.101.43.15 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 1059729544 213.101.43.15 (Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:19:04 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:19:04 MET DST X-Sender: q-11932@d213-101-43-15.swipnet.se Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:03:17 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147540 In article <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: > This is similar to the story that: > > #define PI 3.1415926 > > should be used throughout the program, instead of the > numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change. - FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers -- Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 01 Aug 03 13:53:55 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbXkSktRRNuJfdsoBvAVOUbJliHCwZxORVDO6PZsjAf6+Vl13He080d X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2003 14:55:56 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-77 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147548 In article <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, fin@visi.com (Craig A. Finseth) wrote: >In article , wrote: > ... >>>In article <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net>, >>>Charles Richmond wrote: >>> >>>> This is similar to the story that: >>>> #define PI 3.1415926 >>>> should be used throughout the program, instead of the >>>> numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. > ... >>All of a sudden, a cross-referenced listing becomes useful if >>you need to find all the places where that number is used. >>(Before somebody jumps down my throat, think truncation.) > >Also, if you use the value 100 times, what is the liklikhood of at >least one of those times having a typo in the number? When is the code due? > ... Or, what is >even more likely, using 10 digits one place but only 9 in other >places? It's guaranteed that your last minute edit to fix a comment will modify a number. If it's a bad font, a one will get changed to an l. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 01 Aug 03 13:55:48 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZeQM7F9P10WaZAqWQuc60C39zAs5scvHLgHd35qTub9K7gVMqfl5F0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2003 14:57:49 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-77 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147547 In article <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong>, "Rupert Pigott" wrote: > wrote in message news:bgdl6b$i7q$10@bob.news.rcn.net... > >[SNIP] > >> Life's circumstances have deemed that I don't spend my time on >> learning yet another operating system. So far, I haven't had >> a compelling need to run and use Unix (it's getting there but not >> yet). I also know myself well enough that I will combine my >> ramping up to learning how to use Unix with making notes on >> conversion pains and CATCH-22s. (This was my job and I've not >> managed to get it out of my blood yet.) > >There's your catch-22 right there... You don't know what you >are missing until you've tried it. :) Sigh! I was in the TOPS-10 development group. _You_ don't know what you're missing. I have met Unix. I have taken internals and externals courses (a long time ago). JMF did a Unix SMP project. I have an idea what I'm getting into. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:02:49 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059742970 22052 80.177.7.220 (1 Aug 2003 13:02:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:02:50 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147561 wrote in message news:bgdl6b$i7q$10@bob.news.rcn.net... [SNIP] > Life's circumstances have deemed that I don't spend my time on > learning yet another operating system. So far, I haven't had > a compelling need to run and use Unix (it's getting there but not > yet). I also know myself well enough that I will combine my > ramping up to learning how to use Unix with making notes on > conversion pains and CATCH-22s. (This was my job and I've not > managed to get it out of my blood yet.) There's your catch-22 right there... You don't know what you are missing until you've tried it. :) Cheers, Rupert ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> From: fin@visi.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: 01 Aug 2003 13:33:33 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> Organization: VISI.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 01 Aug 2003 08:33:33 CDT NNTP-Posting-Host: adf2de4d.newsreader.visi.com X-Trace: DXC=dXBn3QL=ab`YS6:MF@OG;lf4n<5gJhD3OXm`l_bHIMPR2:C2LLGDkf8YJfQiVOTMM=[8SkP2O X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hermes.visi.com!phobos.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-1.mpls.visi.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147567 In article , wrote: ... >>In article <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net>, >>Charles Richmond wrote: >> >>> This is similar to the story that: >>> #define PI 3.1415926 >>> should be used throughout the program, instead of the >>> numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. ... >All of a sudden, a cross-referenced listing becomes useful if >you need to find all the places where that number is used. >(Before somebody jumps down my throat, think truncation.) Also, if you use the value 100 times, what is the liklikhood of at least one of those times having a typo in the number? Or, what is even more likely, using 10 digits one place but only 9 in other places? Craig ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:03:01 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1fyz28p.nwtclmwtsjexN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F298764.AEF806DF@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1059746581 9401 166.84.199.79 (1 Aug 2003 14:03:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:03:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147570 Charles Richmond wrote: > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: > > > > Rupert Pigott wrote: > > > > > This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. > > > > I think it's wonderful how you can spend half a year busting a gut to > > give birth to a book which you hope will be of some benefit to the > > community (as well as making a bit of cash), and within a week of > > finishing three people tell you, either on usenet or by e-mail, that > > you've written the wrong book. > > > IMHO some people are moving to BSD because Linux is becoming > *too* mainstream for them. Although I may count myself with > the iconoclasts (even though I still use Linux), ISTM that > there is a great market for your book on Linux. I have been > disappointed in the majority of books on Linux...so I may > give your book a look. > Aren't the majority of Unix like system BSD derivitives, eg, Mac OS the tenth? -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:27:38 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059751659 840 80.177.7.220 (1 Aug 2003 15:27:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:27:39 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147560 wrote in message news:bgdv5d$bv5$5@bob.news.rcn.net... > In article <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong>, > "Rupert Pigott" wrote: > > wrote in message > news:bgdl6b$i7q$10@bob.news.rcn.net... > > > >[SNIP] > > > >> Life's circumstances have deemed that I don't spend my time on > >> learning yet another operating system. So far, I haven't had > >> a compelling need to run and use Unix (it's getting there but not > >> yet). I also know myself well enough that I will combine my > >> ramping up to learning how to use Unix with making notes on > >> conversion pains and CATCH-22s. (This was my job and I've not > >> managed to get it out of my blood yet.) > > > >There's your catch-22 right there... You don't know what you > >are missing until you've tried it. :) > > Sigh! I was in the TOPS-10 development group. _You_ don't > know what you're missing. I have met Unix. I have taken > internals and externals courses (a long time ago). JMF did > a Unix SMP project. I have an idea what I'm getting into. That's as maybe... However you don't talk like someone who has ever actually worked or played with Unix.... It's like me saying I've seen a Porsche 917, but I've never actually driven one. :) Cheers, Rupert ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 02 Aug 03 11:22:45 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaEEKD54VNclc4HwGDSj92ZAI4gDKQDv84DQqeP3zeMzRUPWU3qvBqB X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2003 12:24:58 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-152 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147595 In article <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong>, "Rupert Pigott" wrote: > wrote in message news:bgdv5d$bv5$5@bob.news.rcn.net... >> In article <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong>, >> "Rupert Pigott" wrote: >> > wrote in message >> news:bgdl6b$i7q$10@bob.news.rcn.net... >> > >> >[SNIP] >> > >> >> Life's circumstances have deemed that I don't spend my time on >> >> learning yet another operating system. So far, I haven't had >> >> a compelling need to run and use Unix (it's getting there but not >> >> yet). I also know myself well enough that I will combine my >> >> ramping up to learning how to use Unix with making notes on >> >> conversion pains and CATCH-22s. (This was my job and I've not >> >> managed to get it out of my blood yet.) >> > >> >There's your catch-22 right there... You don't know what you >> >are missing until you've tried it. :) >> >> Sigh! I was in the TOPS-10 development group. _You_ don't >> know what you're missing. I have met Unix. I have taken >> internals and externals courses (a long time ago). JMF did >> a Unix SMP project. I have an idea what I'm getting into. > >That's as maybe... However you don't talk like someone who >has ever actually worked or played with Unix.... Sigh! Go read what I wrote again. I've met it. I haven't played footsie with it. > .. It's like >me saying I've seen a Porsche 917, but I've never actually >driven one. :) Exactly. However, I do have just a tad experience in operating systems. So I've got a pretty good idea about the work invovled. Sheesh! It's only code. I've driven a Stealth and a 'Vette. I may have some idea about what a Porche might do if I drove it. First of all, it would go forward. Second of all, it would go quickly. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 02 Aug 03 11:25:15 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <1fz0cvq.1b4n9yb1mrooenN%proto@panix.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYKExsmPihOZ5rGHQQUqA9x1pzgHD2JnUz2KmyUizPBYRHglzIPnQV2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2003 12:27:28 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-152 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147594 In article <1fz0cvq.1b4n9yb1mrooenN%proto@panix.com>, proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote: >Goran Larsson wrote: > >> In article <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net>, >> Charles Richmond wrote: >> >> > This is similar to the story that: >> > >> > #define PI 3.1415926 >> > >> > should be used throughout the program, instead of the >> > numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. >> >> The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to >> constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every >> appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA >> statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This >> also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change. >> - FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers > >And lessen the chance of a typo. More importantly, any typo is consistent. ;-) If it's going to be wrong, it had damn well be consistently wrong. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: lon.stowell@comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F285AFF.702E919D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F298764.AEF806DF@ev1.net> <1fyz28p.nwtclmwtsjexN%proto@panix.com> In-Reply-To: <1fyz28p.nwtclmwtsjexN%proto@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1059775648 12.240.77.188 (Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:07:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:07:28 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:07:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147578 Walter Bushell wrote: > Charles Richmond wrote: > >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >> > >> > Rupert Pigott wrote: >> > >> > > This is a reason why some folks prefer BSD over Linux. >> > >> > I think it's wonderful how you can spend half a year busting a gut to >> > give birth to a book which you hope will be of some benefit to the >> > community (as well as making a bit of cash), and within a week of >> > finishing three people tell you, either on usenet or by e-mail, that >> > you've written the wrong book. >> > >> IMHO some people are moving to BSD because Linux is becoming >> *too* mainstream for them. Although I may count myself with >> the iconoclasts (even though I still use Linux), ISTM that >> there is a great market for your book on Linux. I have been >> disappointed in the majority of books on Linux...so I may >> give your book a look. >> > > Aren't the majority of Unix like system BSD derivitives, eg, Mac OS the > tenth? I can't think of an SVR4ish Unix that doesn't have considerable BSD stuffed back into it. I must honestly wonder if AT&T ever tried SVR4 on anything bigger than a 386'd desktop. Working at one of the first SVR4 companies, we had to stuff BSD back into SVR4 to keep customers from throwing their big shiny SMP boxes bodily through the nearest window. ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:04:17 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <1fz0cp2.1vc3abm1a1bzq8N%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1059782664 21696 166.84.199.79 (2 Aug 2003 00:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:04:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147608 John Homes wrote: > wrote in message > news:jhugivshiv3e2r2cr0na1je9g1sp02lk4o@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:17:10 +0100, Ben Hutchings > > From IEUASM (AS037) (these were 80 col lines) > > > > *NOTE- TO BRING THE ASSEMBLER LISTING UP TO STANDARDS, ABSOLUTE > > * 00360000 > > * REGISTERS HAVE BEEN MADE SYMBOLIC AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN > > * 00380000 > > * MODIFIED, WITHOUT CHANGING ORIGIONAL OBJECT CODE. > > * 00400000 > > > > I would guess some PHB said that hard coded numbers were not allowed. > > > > That particular case is reasonable, in that until fairly recently, there was > no register use cross-reference in the listing. By making the registers > symbolic, you could get a cross-reference. > > The latest assembler does produce a register cross-reference, so symbolic > registers are no longer as useful. I've got into the habit anyway, and will > go on writing code with symbolic registers, but changing existing working > code is no longer a Good Idea. > > Because multiple uses for each register are inevitable, meaningful symbolics > are a potential gotcha. > > John Homes Multiple names for the registers so each use gets its own name. See that problem is easily solved. Next page... Previous page... >:] -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:04:18 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1fz0cvq.1b4n9yb1mrooenN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1059782664 21696 166.84.199.79 (2 Aug 2003 00:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:04:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147612 Goran Larsson wrote: > In article <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net>, > Charles Richmond wrote: > > > This is similar to the story that: > > > > #define PI 3.1415926 > > > > should be used throughout the program, instead of the > > numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. > > The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to > constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every > appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA > statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This > also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change. > - FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers And lessen the chance of a typo. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: "Justin R. Bendich" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:45:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.69.227.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1059788701 66.69.227.138 (Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:45:01 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:45:01 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147613 "Lars Duening" wrote in message news:1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com... > And Open Source - don't you know that OS' disregard for intellectual hot > air and monetarization is the prime reason for the slip in overall > software quality and innovativeness? > > I am joking, of course, but I have met enough developers who actually > believe something along those lines. The concept of standing on the > shoulders of giants is lost on them. I thought "standing on the shoulders of giants" was the whole reason that SCO has a case... At IBM, the (endless supply of) lawyers tell us that if we even so much as smell Open Source code, we will become "tainted" and IBM will have to publish all its code. Commercial software is dead. Justin ###### From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.96.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1059833318 24.62.96.80 (Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:08:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:08:38 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:08:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147618 wrote in message news:bggf3t$254$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is > any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for > the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road > maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. Even outside computers, the application seems flawed and even risky. Around here (eastern Massachusetts) we habitually refer to highways by their numbers (i.e.: 495, 85) but just about as frequently toss an "I" in if it's an interstate. So, when you see "I94" are you talking about Interstate 94 or Route (possibly interstate) 194? My father has documents from his service in WWII and I'm always stopped for a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." - Bill ###### From: "Nico de Jong" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:11:03 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.142.193.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 1059837176 129.142.193.202 (Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:12:56 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:12:56 CEST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!uninett.no!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147619 > wrote in message news:bggf3t$254$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is > > any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for > > the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road > > maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. It's even worse in Scandinavia. Once upon a time, back in the late 60's, I was employed in a shop where they rutinely hired typists to function as "punch ladies". The was a source of immeasurable irritation, as we have 3 extra letters in the alphabet: Æ Ø Å for Denmark and Norway, and Ä Ö Å for Sweden. So, very often 0 and 1 were missing, so they used l (small L) for 1 and O (Oscar) for 0 (zero). Imagine the shit coming out of a Cobol compilation ! Nico ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:28:39 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059838120 25861 80.177.7.220 (2 Aug 2003 15:28:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:28:40 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147622 wrote in message news:bggaiq$kon$6@bob.news.rcn.net... [SNIP] > Exactly. However, I do have just a tad experience in operating > systems. So I've got a pretty good idea about the work invovled. > Sheesh! It's only code. The sum of the parts exceeds that though. There's a whole way of thinking behind it that you won't pick up by looking at the man page for 'ls', but you will pick up when you try writing a script that uses 'ls'. > I've driven a Stealth and a 'Vette. I may have some idea > about what a Porche might do if I drove it. First of all, > it would go forward. Second of all, it would go quickly. It would feel very different too. I think you'd find a world of differences despite that it is performing a very similar function to say Windows NT or TOPS-10... Broadly speaking... Cheers, Rupert ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1059820220snz@dsl.co.uk> References: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1059862853 2830 10.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2003 22:20:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:20:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19j4k8-0000jV-00 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:20:52 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147630 In article bendichTX@austin.rr.com "Justin R. Bendich" writes: > At IBM, the (endless supply of) lawyers tell us that if we even so much > as smell Open Source code, we will become "tainted" and IBM will > have to publish all its code. That must not apply to some parts of IBM, because they have made significant contribution to Open Source in releasing that of both JFS and LVM. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 10:46:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZjWYE6vVRU2Ft2VRf1OWe+tbugLZpoauao1GQ9TtDGNxDXOvswGPcV X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2003 11:48:26 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-11 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147655 In article , "Bill Leary" wrote: > wrote in message news:bggf3t$254$1@bob.news.rcn.net... >> I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is >> any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for >> the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road >> maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. > >Even outside computers, the application seems flawed and even risky. > >Around here (eastern Massachusetts) we habitually refer to highways by their >numbers (i.e.: 495, 85) but just about as frequently toss an "I" in if it's >an interstate. So, when you see "I94" are you talking about Interstate 94 >or Route (possibly interstate) 194? Right. Now think about textbooks and formulas and programming. If I were god, all copies of that font would be irradicated. It was obvious, to me, that the person, whose job was to choose the font, was trying to be "cute". I hate cute; it always interferes with functionality, usually to the point of deleting the functionality completly. > >My father has documents from his service in WWII and >I'm always stopped for >a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." I don't know any typing teacher (I knew two) who told people to use a capital I. It was always lower case l if the number one was not available on the keyboard. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 10:48:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <3F2C3EE9.C5303F3A@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaNCKDyLt7bP0IfSRyjU+otUz1M9zDNAaWzj68obiByJYnCuIr5QkdS X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2003 11:50:54 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-11 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147656 In article <3F2C3EE9.C5303F3A@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote: >Nico de Jong wrote: > >> "punch ladies". The was a source of immeasurable irritation, as we have 3 >> extra letters in the alphabet: Æ Ø Å for Denmark and Norway, and Ä Ö Å for >> Sweden. So, very often 0 and 1 were missing, so they used l (small L) for 1 >> and O (Oscar) for 0 (zero). > >ISTR sacrificing [ \ ] for Æ Ø Å many years ago when I built a system >that had to handle Norwegian. I sacrificed the number one (replaced it with the lowercase l) on the Selectric typeball so I could have my square brackets. After doing that exercise of choice, I often wondered how the creators of SIXBIT chose. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 10:53:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZz3UQ/so5vznE5qba1rN/vLDBQI3M9sohulZ1+8Mi2sSXElFQjiePd X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2003 11:55:55 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-11 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147651 In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, "Rupert Pigott" wrote: > wrote in message news:bggaiq$kon$6@bob.news.rcn.net... > >[SNIP] > >> Exactly. However, I do have just a tad experience in operating >> systems. So I've got a pretty good idea about the work invovled. >> Sheesh! It's only code. > >The sum of the parts exceeds that though. There's a >whole way of thinking behind it that you won't pick >up by looking at the man page for 'ls', but you will >pick up when you try writing a script that uses 'ls'. Sure. This is just usermode details. > >> I've driven a Stealth and a 'Vette. I may have some idea >> about what a Porche might do if I drove it. First of all, >> it would go forward. Second of all, it would go quickly. > >It would feel very different too. Of course it would. That's part of the ramp up. > ..I think you'd find a >world of differences despite that it is performing a >very similar function to say Windows NT or TOPS-10... Every operating system has its "feel". Every computer system has its "feel" and can be distinguished from another system even if both are running the same software. (I don't know about mirror image systems.) > >Broadly speaking... Like I said, I know about this stuff. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 03 Aug 03 10:56:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3f283ac0$0$28887$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F298979.7906ADF1@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbUJZkWCNf1Ocav9dQJzOBg8lECxlBaTRPP+yooswXn5M1Y69zlPqNR X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2003 11:58:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-11 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147654 In article , slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote: >In article <3F298979.7906ADF1@ev1.net>, >Charles Richmond wrote: > >>His code was self-modifying. One instruction stored an address >>in the address field of the *next* instruction. The next instruction >>of course immediately accessed that address. And the code was >>crashing. He would step through the code with the debugger, and >>everything seemed to work right. But the code still crashed during >>regular use. >> >>As it turns out, the machine was *not* updating the cache memory >>fast enough. The solution was to add a no-op instruction between >>the store of the address and its use. After that, *no* problem. > >Of course, once you've added the extra no-op you find that your >neat/fast/strange code is no longer any neater or faster than >the conventional way to solve the problem. Nope. It all depends on the phase of the moon or the style of gear or the type of problem. Faster usually has a side of effect of less throughput; _sometimes_, this is considered a bug. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:00:54 -0600 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1fz3ep9.2jwqk01coppeqN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.252.196.227 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059897655 26026459 66.252.196.227 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!66.252.196.227!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147667 Justin R. Bendich wrote: > "Lars Duening" wrote in message > news:1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com... > At IBM, the (endless supply of) lawyers tell us that if we even so much > as smell Open Source code, we will become "tainted" and IBM will > have to publish all its code. Funny - so far I've heard O.S. people complain only if you take their exact written code without permission; it's usually the proprietary companies which sue you if you get so much as remotely inspired by one of their vaguely expressed ideas. > Commercial software is dead. id seems to be doing fine. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <1fz0cvq.1b4n9yb1mrooenN%proto@panix.com> From: Bernd Felsche User-Agent: nn/6.6.3 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:21:24 +0800 Message-ID: <4nnigb.vk1.ln@innovative.iinet.net.au> Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.144.24 X-Trace: 1059908402 freenews.iinet.net.au 23611 203.59.144.24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.per.connect.com.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147666 jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >In article <1fz0cvq.1b4n9yb1mrooenN%proto@panix.com>, > proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote: >>Goran Larsson wrote: >> >>> In article <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net>, >>> Charles Richmond wrote: >>> >>> > This is similar to the story that: >>> > >>> > #define PI 3.1415926 >>> > >>> > should be used throughout the program, instead of the >>> > numeric value...in case the value of Pi changed. >>> >>> The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to >>> constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every >>> appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA >>> statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This >>> also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change. >>> - FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers >> >>And lessen the chance of a typo. >More importantly, any typo is consistent. ;-) So true. During my studies I used DATA declarations for all constants. Unfortunately; I transposed two digits (3rd and 4th significant) in one constant which didn't stop the results from looking almost right. But before I had time to follow it through, I had to submit the assignment. Of course I didn't get an A. >If it's going to be wrong, it had damn well be consistently wrong. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! ###### Message-ID: <3F2CFC56.479A81FA@yahoo.com> From: Peter Flass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> <77jWa.23534$Vt6.10680@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:11:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.194.50.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1059912709 24.194.50.82 (Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:11:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:11:49 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news-server.columbus.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147632 Larry Elmore wrote: > > Lars Duening wrote: > > > > I am joking, of course, but I have met enough developers who actually > > believe something along those lines. The concept of standing on the > > shoulders of giants is lost on them. > > "If I have seen less far, it's because I've fallen in the footprints of > giants..." --anonymous LOL. Even funnier than "If I have seen less far, it is because giants are standing on my shoulders." I may use it as a sig. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> Organization: Honest Chris' Sysadmin Emporium X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:49:20 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Date: 03 Aug 2003 13:11:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.3.247.95 X-Trace: 1059916261 news.gradwell.net 56598 cbh/80.3.247.95 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@gradwell.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!easynet-quince!easynet-thlon3!easynet.net!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147645 According to : > Every operating system has its "feel". Every computer system > has its "feel" and can be distinguished from another system > even if both are running the same software. (I don't know > about mirror image systems.) I even noticed this between such broadly similar systems as Ultrix and SVR3. They had quite a markedly different "feel" although I couldn't quite pin down what those differences were (and I'm not talking about things like directory structure, utils or man pages) Chris. -- "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" Neil, '84 Currently playing: random early '80s radio stuff http://www.chrishedley.com - assorted stuff, inc my genealogy. Gan canny! ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:34:36 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1fz3873.127f3vm10u5h1cN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1059917676 25782 166.84.199.79 (3 Aug 2003 13:34:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:34:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147664 wrote: > In article <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net>, > Charles Richmond wrote: > >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > >> > >> It's guaranteed that your last minute edit to fix a comment > >> will modify a number. If it's a bad font, a one will get changed > >> to an l. > >> > >This reminds me of a Gary Larson cartoon that a guy had tacked > >up in his cubicle: > > > >The cartoon shows two scientists in lab coats...inside a launch > >center for NASA. Through the window, at a distance, there is > >a rocket plunged nose first into the ground. The rocket is broken > >open and on fire... > > > >The two scientists are looking over a computer listing...the first > >scientist says: "Yes, I guess that is an ell instead of a one..." > > I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is > any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for > the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road > maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. > > /BAH > > > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Or the notorious 1F statement, leading to much puzzelment, unless you've seen it before. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: "Bill Leary" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.104.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1059931435 24.62.104.75 (Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:23:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:23:55 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:23:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147701 wrote in message news:bgisqa$n3d$4@bob.news.rcn.net... > >My father has documents from his service in WWII and > >I'm always stopped for > >a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." > > I don't know any typing teacher (I knew two) who told people to > use a capital I. It was always lower case l if the number one > was not available on the keyboard. I suspect these guys didn't learn to type in a class. Dad used to say that the yeomen and clerks only needed three fingers. Two to type with, and one to express themselves with. Yes, a lot of them are "l944," it's the "I944" ones that give me pause. - Bill ###### From: "Nico de Jong" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:53:06 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.142.193.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 1059933491 129.142.193.202 (Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:58:11 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:58:11 CEST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1!bredband!'newsfeed1.telenordia.se'!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147678 > I suspect these guys didn't learn to type in a class. Dad used to say that > the yeomen and clerks only needed three fingers. Two to type with, and one > to express themselves with. > Or 1 to show what they thaught of their bosses. I wonder which finger they used for that purpose... Nico ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: <9loqiv83412dggs91ddl5gbcg6huf9i811@4ax.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <3F2C3B32.51676DDC@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:31:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1059939118 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:31:58 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:31:58 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147688 On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:32:36 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, Charles Richmond wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> >> In article <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net>, >> Charles Richmond wrote: >> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> >> >> It's guaranteed that your last minute edit to fix a comment >> >> will modify a number. If it's a bad font, a one will get changed >> >> to an l. >> >> >> >This reminds me of a Gary Larson cartoon that a guy had tacked >> >up in his cubicle: >> > >> >The cartoon shows two scientists in lab coats...inside a launch >> >center for NASA. Through the window, at a distance, there is >> >a rocket plunged nose first into the ground. The rocket is broken >> >open and on fire... >> > >> >The two scientists are looking over a computer listing...the first >> >scientist says: "Yes, I guess that is an ell instead of a one..." >> >> I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is >> any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for >> the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road >> maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. >> >Who was this guy who pooh-poohed you about the font??? Certainly it >is *not* me...I like fonts that have a sort of old-style way of >exaggerating the numbers. As a programmer and font squirreller I like fonts like Computer Modern with old style numerals descending below the baseline, but it would probably drive the clients batty on their output. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Eric Fischer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 3 Aug 2003 20:56:46 GMT Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F2C3EE9.C5303F3A@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaiakN8h5a8lt2/e5F16X8og/AvZR5g/IPnbOvA0i6PHDgnj/ShaKRh X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2003 20:56:46 GMT Originator: eric@ellibrocorto.com (eric fischer) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147680 JMFBAH wrote: > I sacrificed the number one (replaced it with the lowercase l) on > the Selectric typeball so I could have my square brackets. After > doing that exercise of choice, I often wondered how the creators > of SIXBIT chose. SIXBIT is just the middle 64 characters of ASCII, isn't it? If so, the priorities were to include: 1. The letters A-Z, digits, 0-9, and SPACE 2. The special characters used in COBOL (+, -, *, /, =, $, period, comma, (, ), ;, ", <, and >) 3. Characters commonly used in business communication and found on typewriters (!, #, %, &, ', :, ?, @) The standard typewriter set also included the cents sign and underscore, neither of which was included in (1963) ASCII. It appears that they were left out because the pressure for inclusion of the typewriter characters was from Teletype, and Teletype's own (Fieldata-based) proposal also left out these characters (replacing them by WRU and +, respectively), so there was no one campaigning for their inclusion. The five remaining slots following the alphabet had to be reserved for lower-priority characters because they were expected to be replaced by other characters in countries other than the United States. The five that were chosen for the 1963 standard were chosen because, while the set was not large enough to contain all the ALGOL 60 characters, it could at least include the ones that turned out to be most commonly used in a sampling of programs published in the Communications of the ACM: [, ], left-arrow, and up-arrow. The next priority was for the logical AND and logical OR operators, but there was not enough room to include them both, so the backslash was included in the last slot so they could be fabricated by /\ and \/. Other contenders were less-than-or-equal-to, greater-than-or-equal-to, and not-equal-to, but these were cut because they were rarely used in the surveyed CACM programs. In the DEC context, it must have been an even harder choice trying to decide which three punctuation characters would survive in RADIX-50! Eric ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> References: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1059945542 5692 10.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2003 21:19:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:19:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19jQFp-0001Tf-00 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:19:01 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147702 In article Bill_Leary@msn.com "Bill Leary" writes: > My father has documents from his service in WWII and I'm always stopped for > a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." Until roughly the 1960s, ordinary typewriters did not have either of the digits zero or one. For the former, one was expected to type capital Oh; for the latter, people that had been taught to type would use lower-case ell, whilst ignorami would use capital Eye. When journalists started going direct from keyboard to print over here, one would often see "ugly" figures like 5O,OOO (and it looks MUCH uglier in Times Roman or whatever) printed in papers. Eventually they were taught to use the other keys that hadn't been on their old Underwoods and Olivettis. Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are utterly indistinguishable in such a font). -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 10:43:01 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYSUZEFppvp1oKylty2vHD8VhFFmbqsdx3qdpToR7ATGAtaO0st+Avt X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 11:45:36 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-216 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147745 In article , "Nico de Jong" wrote: >> wrote in message news:bggf3t$254$1@bob.news.rcn.net... >> > I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is >> > any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for >> > the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road >> > maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. > >It's even worse in Scandinavia. Once upon a time, back in the late 60's, I >was employed in a shop where they rutinely hired typists to function as >"punch ladies". The was a source of immeasurable irritation, as we have 3 >extra letters in the alphabet: Æ Ø Å for Denmark and Norway, and Ä Ö Å for >Sweden. So, very often 0 and 1 were missing, so they used l (small L) for 1 >and O (Oscar) for 0 (zero). >Imagine the shit coming out of a Cobol compilation ! Especially in the PICs. I know you guys in Scandinavia had problems. JMF couldn't figure out how to solve them so our approach was to try to not prevent solutions. IIRC, every country had their own "style" too. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 10:47:30 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGFn2k4eJAYVyUhX0vSn81K10hWb/geB1DX1SwQgLplrJjnhFPFYg6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 11:50:05 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-216 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147760 In article , "Bill Leary" wrote: > wrote in message news:bgisqa$n3d$4@bob.news.rcn.net... >> >My father has documents from his service in WWII and >> >I'm always stopped for >> >a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." >> >> I don't know any typing teacher (I knew two) who told people to >> use a capital I. It was always lower case l if the number one >> was not available on the keyboard. > >I suspect these guys didn't learn to type in a class. Probably not. But somebody had to tell them which one to use. >Dad used to say that the yeomen and clerks only needed >three fingers. Two to type with, and one >to express themselves with. Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. /BAH /BAH >Yes, a lot of them are "l944," it's the "I944" ones that give me pause. > > - Bill > > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 10:51:56 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ+r3Jsb91XRqTYInaLE68OsXZdlS0Zqm+BiVU4mXEHQHVkM5MtHClv X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 11:54:31 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-216 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147778 In article <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong>, "Rupert Pigott" wrote: >"Chris Hedley" wrote in message >news:gc0jgb.59n2.ln@teabag.cbhnet... >> According to : >> > Every operating system has its "feel". Every computer system >> > has its "feel" and can be distinguished from another system >> > even if both are running the same software. (I don't know >> > about mirror image systems.) >> >> I even noticed this between such broadly similar systems as Ultrix >> and SVR3. They had quite a markedly different "feel" although I >> couldn't quite pin down what those differences were (and I'm not >> talking about things like directory structure, utils or man pages) > >Stuff like perceived costs of doing things... Like the hassle >factor caused by a missing utility or option... Or perhaps the >small API feature that screws up code - thereby preventing or >making a particular operation very slow. > >I still feel that my OpenBSD system running on older >hardware, is much more responsive than this new fangled >box running Linux. In practice the only *perceptable* >differences are in the file system and VM performance. And not doing either "right" can bring a system down to its knees. Picking who to run is also important. Then the biz added comm. Figuring out how to deal with the comm is tricky business. The MCB on the front of a KL would have been able to handle a tons of stuff. But the DECnet protocol kept moving boulders in the way. We knew that hanging an -11 off a KL for comm and networking purposes could work nicely (ANF-10). Bring up a DECnet..suck city. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 10:55:24 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <1fz3873.127f3vm10u5h1cN%proto@panix.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbV9M4io1tkZWs6cKfNmw46q865X0hPsxnSH6cIG3qio+u/hAGoa16H X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 11:57:58 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-216 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147762 In article <1fz3873.127f3vm10u5h1cN%proto@panix.com>, proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote: > wrote: > >> In article <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net>, >> Charles Richmond wrote: >> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> >> >> It's guaranteed that your last minute edit to fix a comment >> >> will modify a number. If it's a bad font, a one will get changed >> >> to an l. >> >> >> >This reminds me of a Gary Larson cartoon that a guy had tacked >> >up in his cubicle: >> > >> >The cartoon shows two scientists in lab coats...inside a launch >> >center for NASA. Through the window, at a distance, there is >> >a rocket plunged nose first into the ground. The rocket is broken >> >open and on fire... >> > >> >The two scientists are looking over a computer listing...the first >> >scientist says: "Yes, I guess that is an ell instead of a one..." >> >> I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is >> any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for >> the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road >> maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. >Or the notorious 1F statement, leading to much puzzelment, unless you've >seen it before. Oh, yes! How could I forget that one. Student to consultant: I can't find my error. Consultant doing a scan a the speed of light: Tick. Student bashes head against wall until consultant consoles him that everybody has to do this screwup once. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 10:58:24 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <6nrrivg1doch8vril62b1jktnao1pe69ps@4ax.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ19aRuz8QOploDRe9m9O1fRxErcq3K6ArnZbAFAf5avl5hvwNT5+Sy X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 12:00:59 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-216 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147783 In article <6nrrivg1doch8vril62b1jktnao1pe69ps@4ax.com>, Brian Inglis wrote: >On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:19:02 +0000 (UTC) in >alt.folklore.computers, bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) >wrote: > >>In article >> Bill_Leary@msn.com "Bill Leary" writes: >> >>> My father has documents from his service in WWII and I'm always stopped for >>> a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." >> >>Until roughly the 1960s, ordinary typewriters did not have either of the >>digits zero or one. For the former, one was expected to type capital Oh; >>for the latter, people that had been taught to type would use lower-case >>ell, whilst ignorami would use capital Eye. >> >>When journalists started going direct from keyboard to print over here, >>one would often see "ugly" figures like 5O,OOO (and it looks MUCH uglier >>in Times Roman or whatever) printed in papers. Eventually they were >>taught to use the other keys that hadn't been on their old Underwoods and >>Olivettis. >> >>Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist >>in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >>the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >>when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >>utterly indistinguishable in such a font). > >Aren't there publications standards out there yet which say "thou >canst not publish programming literature, using fonts other than >Computer Modern, upon pain of shunning in the staff lounge"? >Or are they all MicroSerfs who use Word? If there are, they've been locked up. I cast my warning into an appropriate newsgroup, and I got told by somebody who had years of experience in the publishing biz that I was confused. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 12:12:15 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbrItyDv3hmbqzR+V4AXZLNBvDlYhWp9SAtCtHwHsF94OGy5ROYrAcN X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 13:14:49 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-216 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147744 In article , cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) wrote: >According to : >> Every operating system has its "feel". Every computer system >> has its "feel" and can be distinguished from another system >> even if both are running the same software. (I don't know >> about mirror image systems.) > >I even noticed this between such broadly similar systems as Ultrix >and SVR3. They had quite a markedly different "feel" although I >couldn't quite pin down what those differences were (and I'm not >talking about things like directory structure, utils or man pages) Service philosophy. I guarantee you that the Ultrix group had a unique one. And it never agreed with any other Unix. I figure that's why DEC had so damned many Unixes. Not even Bell could squish these Unixes into a VMS box. Each OS group had its own heirarchy of most important down to least important. Sometimes this was dictated by the hardware architecture and sometimes this was contrained by the hardware architecture. JMF's analysis of System V and BSD was that BSD concentrated on comm thruput and System V concentrated on disk thruput. The way Unix is organized, I think he concluded that you can't do both. Some day I'm going to find that paper. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 03 13:06:46 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <1060005253.486513@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYhmn5/37Hy2ZBPWBJuJ/4/7e74HYn5CPEngBW9uxRFScGNx6lGtXG6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2003 14:09:20 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-235-136 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147751 In article <1060005253.486513@saucer.planet.gong>, "Rupert Pigott" wrote: > wrote in message news:bglm89$sj0$8@bob.news.rcn.net... > >[SNIP] > >> JMF's analysis of System V and BSD was that BSD concentrated >> on comm thruput and System V concentrated on disk thruput. >> The way Unix is organized, I think he concluded that you can't >> do both. Some day I'm going to find that paper. > >I'd be interested to see it, For a while it was company confidential or something. The guys who worked on the project submitted a proposal to DECUS for one of their pre-DECUS seminars but got turned down (never did find out why). > ..however I don't think that >assertion is universally true in this day. Don't know. One of the "rules" was to start with a base. Determining that base was rather hitting one's head against the wall. When they stopped, the base had changed out from underneath them. > ..All the *BSDs >I've used have been very well balanced in this respect >(aside from when a bug has bitten hard). It's been possible >to saturate all but the very cutting edge network >interfaces with FTP or static web content for sometime >now... :) Are you sure that isn't due to "faster" CPUs? I just wish I could recall details. With that project I was at the end of the effort and wasn't around listening to the work getting done. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 04 Aug 03 21:38:43 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-099.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147797 In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) writes: >Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, I guess. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 10:34:35 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ4VIKL+iZLjyRRlYj8WJ+QDodpqdnok3nB6Ru/eOv2G0Su6wiXDgdp X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2003 11:37:18 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-120 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147764 In article <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) >writes: > >>Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >>reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >>to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >>VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >>to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. > >I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, >I guess. > Great minds think alike. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 10:38:30 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1sfuivsbusku89mts46v4ot2jgvv055d4n@4ax.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbrEaMGeJuEsfhi7qL4W2nEvdqQdLKudCduOH82zEsfof1MVmfbvTPH X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2003 11:41:12 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-120 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147749 In article <1sfuivsbusku89mts46v4ot2jgvv055d4n@4ax.com>, Brian Inglis wrote: >On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:34:49 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, >David Powell wrote: > >>In article <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, >> "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" in >>alt.folklore.computers wrote: >> >>>Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > >>Set and reset modes on a terminal. Someone chose "h", and "l", it had >>to be lower case alpha for ANSI, but surely "s" and "r" ... > >IIRC they used those for (context) save and restore -- maybe >figured that more common operations should have more mnemonic >commands. Knowing DEC, another possibility is that r and s were already taken. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 03 10:43:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3F2C3B32.51676DDC@ev1.net> <1060022348snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ3HZ1PsyqSZF/LVExTzSsiVmwrLPNr0kfbTYs5l3U26JRxixoEwTOT X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2003 11:45:46 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-120 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147759 In article <1060022348snz@dsl.co.uk>, bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) wrote: >In article <3F2C3B32.51676DDC@ev1.net> > richmond@ev1.net "Charles Richmond" writes: > >> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is >> > any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for >> > the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road >> > maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. >> > >> Who was this guy who pooh-poohed you about the font??? Certainly it >> is *not* me...I like fonts that have a sort of old-style way of >> exaggerating the numbers. > >In which respect, the old Ferranti (five-hole) computer code had >excellent differentiation, in that it used what Knuth calls \oldstyle >numerals. Old-style digits ARE much more readable, but rarely >encountered nowadays. I remember that back in the 1960s, when we were >still doing a lot of manual computation (well, automated to the extent of >using either Brunsviga hand-cranked calculators or Facit or Friden >electro-mechanical calculators) we used to use tables of mathematical >functions. For the accuracy we required (GW trajectory) we needed >ten-figure tables; I cannot recall the author of the two-volume set that >we had in the lab, but do remember that he included a preface which >explained, in part, his decision to use oldstyle digits for typesetting >these tables to ensure greater readability. Bingo! Readability is the key. I don't give a shit if the characters have loop-de-loops (well, I do but for the reasons of being able to quickly read a page) as long as they are distinguishable. In the bad ol' days, I hated languages (machine, assembly and higher level) which had to distinguish between . and , and : and ; . Between IBM cards and the development of the laser printer, one sometimes had to look at a character with TECO or a program. This sucks if the job is massive development. Most of the time, I didn't look at the print but at the impression made on the paper. This only worked for terminals and didn't work for line printers. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: <6nrrivg1doch8vril62b1jktnao1pe69ps@4ax.com> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 05:32:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1059975173 24.71.223.147 (Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:32:53 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:32:53 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147875 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:19:02 +0000 (UTC) in alt.folklore.computers, bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) wrote: >In article > Bill_Leary@msn.com "Bill Leary" writes: > >> My father has documents from his service in WWII and I'm always stopped for >> a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." > >Until roughly the 1960s, ordinary typewriters did not have either of the >digits zero or one. For the former, one was expected to type capital Oh; >for the latter, people that had been taught to type would use lower-case >ell, whilst ignorami would use capital Eye. > >When journalists started going direct from keyboard to print over here, >one would often see "ugly" figures like 5O,OOO (and it looks MUCH uglier >in Times Roman or whatever) printed in papers. Eventually they were >taught to use the other keys that hadn't been on their old Underwoods and >Olivettis. > >Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist >in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >utterly indistinguishable in such a font). Aren't there publications standards out there yet which say "thou canst not publish programming literature, using fonts other than Computer Modern, upon pain of shunning in the staff lounge"? Or are they all MicroSerfs who use Word? Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:13:17 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1059988444 6117 158.152.132.30 (4 Aug 2003 09:14:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:14:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147808 Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist > in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in > the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just > when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are > utterly indistinguishable in such a font). That's why the lower case ell on the London tube maps has a curled foot, and the 1 a small tittle, to distinguish both of them from I. http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/images/linemaps/vic_big.gif -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:54:13 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1060005253.486513@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060005254 22417 80.177.7.220 (4 Aug 2003 13:54:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:54:14 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147789 wrote in message news:bglm89$sj0$8@bob.news.rcn.net... [SNIP] > JMF's analysis of System V and BSD was that BSD concentrated > on comm thruput and System V concentrated on disk thruput. > The way Unix is organized, I think he concluded that you can't > do both. Some day I'm going to find that paper. I'd be interested to see it, however I don't think that assertion is universally true in this day. All the *BSDs I've used have been very well balanced in this respect (aside from when a bug has bitten hard). It's been possible to saturate all but the very cutting edge network interfaces with FTP or static web content for sometime now... :) Cheers, Rupert ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:03:40 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1060009420.326029@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <1060005253.486513@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060009420 20851 80.177.7.220 (4 Aug 2003 15:03:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:03:40 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147788 wrote in message news:bglpeg$99s$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > In article <1060005253.486513@saucer.planet.gong>, > "Rupert Pigott" wrote: [SNIP] > > ..All the *BSDs > >I've used have been very well balanced in this respect > >(aside from when a bug has bitten hard). It's been possible > >to saturate all but the very cutting edge network > >interfaces with FTP or static web content for sometime > >now... :) > > Are you sure that isn't due to "faster" CPUs? I just wish I Bit of both, mistakes have been learned from on both the hardware and software side. Certainly from the hardware side the network adaptors and I/O busses seem to fit the demands networking place on them now. Not convinced that CPU speed should be a big factor if you're talking about connecting a 10N bit/s disk to a 1N bit/s network interface... Cheers, Rupert ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1060022348snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <3F2C3B32.51676DDC@ev1.net> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1060046532 10657 10.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2003 01:22:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:22:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19jqWi-0002lk-00 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:22:12 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 32 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147869 In article <3F2C3B32.51676DDC@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net "Charles Richmond" writes: > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > > I just got pooh-poohed by a guy who doesn't think that there is > > any danger in the existence of a font that prints capital I for > > the number one (I94). Before anybody jumps on me, think about road > > maps or FORTRAN FORMAT statement integer documentation. > > > Who was this guy who pooh-poohed you about the font??? Certainly it > is *not* me...I like fonts that have a sort of old-style way of > exaggerating the numbers. In which respect, the old Ferranti (five-hole) computer code had excellent differentiation, in that it used what Knuth calls \oldstyle numerals. Old-style digits ARE much more readable, but rarely encountered nowadays. I remember that back in the 1960s, when we were still doing a lot of manual computation (well, automated to the extent of using either Brunsviga hand-cranked calculators or Facit or Friden electro-mechanical calculators) we used to use tables of mathematical functions. For the accuracy we required (GW trajectory) we needed ten-figure tables; I cannot recall the author of the two-volume set that we had in the lab, but do remember that he included a preface which explained, in part, his decision to use oldstyle digits for typesetting these tables to ensure greater readability. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1060022805snz@dsl.co.uk> References: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1060046534 10666 10.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2003 01:22:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:22:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19jqWi-0002lk-01 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:22:13 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147868 In article jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > In article , > "Bill Leary" wrote: > >My father has documents from his service in WWII and > >I'm always stopped for > >a moment seeing "I944" when I'm expecting "1944." > > I don't know any typing teacher (I knew two) who told people to > use a capital I. It was always lower case l if the number one > was not available on the keyboard. Indeed so; however, many people "taught themselves to type" and no one ever told them what to use for "one". (The exigencies of wartime might have entered the above particular equation as well.) -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:34:49 +0100 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 13.25.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net (194.153.25.13) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060047529 27119527 194.153.25.13 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!13.25.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147845 In article <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > >> Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist >> in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >> the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >> when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >> utterly indistinguishable in such a font). > >That's why the lower case ell on the London tube maps has a curled foot, >and the 1 a small tittle, to distinguish both of them from I. > Mmmm. 1,I and l have often been a problem, after ASR33, unless there is help from the context. Mid seventies, DEC had a font (don't ask, I'm no expert) that distinguished between the three, the ell was sloping, almost italic, but I needed the dictionary for the meaning of "tittle", so my words here are those of a layman. Just one problem: ESC[?1l (or similar) Mostly it was printed as: ESC[?1l* :) Followed by a footnote: "* Where the last character of the sequence is a lowercase L (154oct)" Give or take a tiny tittle, or two, the ell looked more like an 057oct than an ell, Eye or one. Set and reset modes on a terminal. Someone chose "h", and "l", it had to be lower case alpha for ANSI, but surely "s" and "r" ... Regards, David P. ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 04:51:24 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f2f296f.39997056@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147737 David Powell wrote: [snip] >Set and reset modes on a terminal. Someone chose "h", and "l", it had >to be lower case alpha for ANSI, but surely "s" and "r" ... "h" for high and "l" (el) for low? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: <1sfuivsbusku89mts46v4ot2jgvv055d4n@4ax.com> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:25:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1060061159 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:25:59 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:25:59 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147872 On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:34:49 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, David Powell wrote: >In article <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" in >alt.folklore.computers wrote: > >>Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >Set and reset modes on a terminal. Someone chose "h", and "l", it had >to be lower case alpha for ANSI, but surely "s" and "r" ... IIRC they used those for (context) save and restore -- maybe figured that more common operations should have more mnemonic commands. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Joshua Hesse Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 5 Aug 2003 13:47:29 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bigred.unl.edu User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (OSF1/V5.0 (alpha)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147756 Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist > in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in > the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just > when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are > utterly indistinguishable in such a font). In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" instead of the zero. -Josh ###### Message-ID: <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1060101791 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:43:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:43:11 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:43:11 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147864 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) > writes: > > >Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and > >reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where > >to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to > >VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached > >to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. > > I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, > I guess. > Sounds like "prior art" to me... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F2FFBA0.C19845DD@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1060102228 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:50:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:50:28 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:50:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147859 Joshua Hesse wrote: > > Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > > > Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist > > in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in > > the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just > > when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are > > utterly indistinguishable in such a font). > > In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook > used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" > instead of the zero. > In the early 70's, FORTRAN class told me to "slash the oh's and *not* the zeroes"...supposedly because "there are more zeroes than oh's in a typical FORTRAN program. Perhaps that is what happened with your BASIC programming textbook. Or perhaps the book printed the program from some TTY listings, and the TTY had that type of character for "oh" and "zero". Do you remember the name of your BASIC textook??? What year was it??? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: Jeff Teunissen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Dusk To Dawn Computing Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3F3014AE.A02844DE@d2dc.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.164.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1060116001 12.241.164.246 (Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:40:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:40:01 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:40:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147866 Brian Inglis wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:24:10 +0100 in alt.folklore.computers, > "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" > wrote: [snip] > >Letter to programmers yet unborn. > >If you are reading this it is 1 Jan 2070 and the calendar algorithm > >turned into a pumpkin on the stroke of midnight last night. Happy new > >year. I am probably dead. > >To fix it for the next century change... > > IIRC it's Feb or Aug 2068 on Unix -- had to check some > conversions once upon a time -- is this a different system which > becomes a falseticker in the same era? Tuesday, 19 Jan 2038, at 03:14:07 UTC. I *believe* that the above notice seems to be regarding two-digit years. -- | Jeff Teunissen -=- Pres., Dusk To Dawn Computing -=- deek @ d2dc.net | GPG: 1024D/9840105A 7102 808A 7733 C2F3 097B 161B 9222 DAB8 9840 105A | Core developer, The QuakeForge Project http://www.quakeforge.net/ | Specializing in Debian GNU/Linux http://www.d2dc.net/~deek/ ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1060067296snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1060116695 13596 10.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2003 20:51:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:51:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19k8mM-0003X9-00 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:51:35 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147871 In article ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk "David Powell" writes: > Set and reset modes on a terminal. Someone chose "h", and "l", it had > to be lower case alpha for ANSI, but surely "s" and "r" ... Remember that much of the driving force came from the telecomms people, not computer (especially not software) people. Therefore they'd naturally think in terms of some signal, under their control, being high or low. (They always think in terms of the actual voltage, since so often a "one" may be "active low".) -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:21:29 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f2fe714.2910279@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147733 Joshua Hesse wrote: >Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > >> Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist >> in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >> the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >> when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >> utterly indistinguishable in such a font). > >In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >instead of the zero. Slash through the "O" was what IBM did (?does), and I follow the convention myself. I read one BASIC book where the author was so determined to have the "O" slashed that he used phi instead. It looked very odd, particular goto statements. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: Brian Boutel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> In-Reply-To: <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:39:49 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.144.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tsnz.net X-Trace: news02.tsnz.net 1060119591 203.96.144.148 (Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:39:51 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:39:51 NZST Organization: TelstraClear Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news02.tsnz.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147794 Charles Richmond wrote: > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >>In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) >>writes: >> >> >>>Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >>>reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >>>to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >>>VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >>>to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. >> >>I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, >>I guess. >> > > Sounds like "prior art" to me... > I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. --brian -- Brian Boutel Wellington New Zealand Note the NOSPAM ###### From: William Hamblen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <1060022805snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:49:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.152.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1060120153 216.80.152.166 (Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:49:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:49:13 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147877 On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:22:14 +0000 (UTC), bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) wrote: >Indeed so; however, many people "taught themselves to type" and no one >ever told them what to use for "one". (The exigencies of wartime might >have entered the above particular equation as well.) There is no doubt they were trained in the Army way. There are three ways to do anything: the right way, the wrong way and the Army way. The US Army is very particular about orders, etc. No corrections or overstrikes are permitted. An accurate typist therefore is a great asset to the smooth running of a Company, although they must use word processors instead of mimeograph machines now. ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:03:42 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3F3029BE.A245E1DC@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F1F899A.8A4D0325@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F3014AE.A02844DE@d2dc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060121550 14495 158.152.132.30 (5 Aug 2003 22:12:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:12:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147811 Jeff Teunissen wrote: > I *believe* that the above notice seems to be regarding two-digit years. Correct. The box in question was a reader controller which interpreted 70-99 as 1970-1999 and 00-69 as 2000-2069, after which one constant could be changed. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 06 Aug 03 10:16:43 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbDyNiu5h7xalJo6/PJlW95XYfyZwbDirvCESSuoR1UkPV6sZVI6tZC X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2003 11:19:36 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-237 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147896 In article , Brian Boutel wrote: >Charles Richmond wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>>In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) >>>writes: >>> >>> >>>>Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >>>>reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >>>>to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >>>>VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >>>>to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. >>> >>>I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, >>>I guess. >>> >> >> Sounds like "prior art" to me... >> > >I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. > TOPS-10 didn't need it for the simple stuff. I was appalled that a VMS on an Alpha did. I asked him how often he had to turn the crank. "Too much" was the answer. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 06 Aug 03 10:18:30 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYt7RP2ECSJ3GwL6dnRMdkujYr8dl36Pex+8qfMibgTeEfllP99L61y X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2003 11:21:22 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-237 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147904 In article , Joshua Hesse wrote: >Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > >> Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, persist >> in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >> the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >> when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >> utterly indistinguishable in such a font). > >In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >instead of the zero. That was the convention of IBM. DEC's convention slashed zeroes. The most difficult thing to retrain a programmer was what he was supposed to slash (I'm talking about ~1971). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1060176520 11935 128.29.24.210 (6 Aug 2003 13:28:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147934 Joshua Hesse writes: >In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >instead of the zero. Some environments favored slashing the zero, others the letter. The original argument for slashing the letter was that in Ye Olde Days the programmers and coders (who were below programmers in the Great Scheme of Things) wrote digits far more often than alphabetic characters, so the extra stroke was placed on the less-used glyph. How many people remember keypunch forms with a block where the programmer could write a glyph and an explanation of how it was to be punched? Joe Morris ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1060177177 11935 128.29.24.210 (6 Aug 2003 13:39:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147928 bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes: >Because of the ambiguity, the Civil Service here in the UK defined how >certain letters should be written by hand, and for the letter Oh it was >to be written "round and fat" with a loop at the top (somewhat like an >upside-down handwritten Q [excluding those whose Qs look like twos]) OR >as a \theta, whilst a zero was to be tall and thin, without any loops or >slashes. Back in the dark ages of pre-Internet, you had ARPANET and if you were in the right place at the right time, you could get a TAC access card that provided a userid and password usable to gain access to the inbound dialup modem pools operated by DoD in several cities. The card (printed on a mainframe line printer) had not only the userid and pasword, but also a complete alphabet (printed by the computer, *not* part of the preprinted text on the card) showing in sequence every glyph that could appear in either field. It also had a note that certain characters (letters "I", "O", and "Q" if memory serves; I can't locate my old TAC card right now to check) would *never* be used because of the possibility of misreading them for 1 and 0. Joe Morris ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:39:21 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3F313D49.CF0ED81D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060191893 23122 158.152.132.30 (6 Aug 2003 17:44:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147933 Joe Morris wrote: > How many people remember keypunch forms with a block where the programmer > could write a glyph and an explanation of how it was to be punched? Remember? I still have a pad of them. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 10:46:53 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY6V5IIJk5XKo0ZAltk27fSvfudHjJ3M5syh6n3AbYhGKEtx+k2zC04 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2003 11:49:58 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-27 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148090 In article <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com>, David Powell wrote: >In article , > jmfbahciv@aol.com in alt.folklore.computers wrote: > >>In article , >> Joshua Hesse wrote: >>>Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >>> >>>> Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, >>persist >>>> in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >>>> the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >>>> when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >>>> utterly indistinguishable in such a font). >>> >>>In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >>>used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >>>instead of the zero. >> >>That was the convention of IBM. DEC's convention slashed zeroes. >>The most difficult thing to retrain a programmer was what he >>was supposed to slash (I'm talking about ~1971). >> > >If he was an engineer, he'd probably have used McCracken when he >learned his FORTRAN in the 60s. :) Sure. That was based on IBM lore. I'm saying that, when they got hired at DEC, they got broken of the habit quickly. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 10:48:19 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYasV1yF8TgyN2S/zD7Ttn92h/EAFBBPtR/w4fUpVLXbSeEIJ6herx1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2003 11:51:24 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.184.165.233!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-27 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148105 In article , Roland Hutchinson wrote: >Brian Boutel wrote: > >> Charles Richmond wrote: >>> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>In article jmfbahciv@aol.com >>>>(jmfbahciv) writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >>>>>reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >>>>>to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >>>>>VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >>>>>to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. >>>> >>>>I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, >>>>I guess. >>>> >>> >>> Sounds like "prior art" to me... >>> >> >> I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. > >No, it's not (IMHO). It's connected directly to the grinding >mechanism. When you stop turning the crank, the machine instantly >slows down again. > You mean stops. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 10:49:05 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> <59c3jvc1hcg0cc9ukcbj8ljiqhn9gehcrp@4ax.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ6h1mVXAdkgJ8Mh5VBkzWbH6X29vQZChu8uzl+fA2SKPIpoXXGlpcR X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2003 11:52:10 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed.sunrise.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-27 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148102 In article <59c3jvc1hcg0cc9ukcbj8ljiqhn9gehcrp@4ax.com>, David Powell wrote: >In article , > Brian Boutel in alt.folklore.computers >wrote: > >>Charles Richmond wrote: >>> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) >>>>writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >>>>>reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >>>>>to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >>>>>VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >>>>>to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. >>>> >>>>I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, >>>>I guess. >>>> >>> >>> Sounds like "prior art" to me... >>> >> >>I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. >> > >It's squeezing the bits out between a pair of mangle rollers. Nope. Model A bootstrap. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 03 11:56:35 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaKlku1MbZVFjVHFlsM7Lvl6kPScoD9yTQddbQCyLXO5ZKWzU7FCaq4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2003 12:59:39 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-27 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148080 In article , Joe Morris wrote: >Joshua Hesse writes: > >>In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >>used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >>instead of the zero. > >Some environments favored slashing the zero, others the letter. The >original argument for slashing the letter was that in Ye Olde Days >the programmers and coders (who were below programmers in the Great >Scheme of Things) wrote digits far more often than alphabetic characters, >so the extra stroke was placed on the less-used glyph. > >How many people remember keypunch forms with a block where the programmer >could write a glyph and an explanation of how it was to be punched? I don't. I didn't get to use them. Slashing zeroes became so habit forming that I had to write a note at the top of all my exams (this was my second try at getting a degree) because most instructors had never heard of slashing the round glyphs. It was odd because they knew about slashing 7s. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbVpMHf/BFalTj7hrDnGEkwVgDPIxH5gB2osWg4wTlQ6hmBM6Dh6cOs X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2003 12:38:25 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-164 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148021 In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) >hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > >DREH> In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, >DREH> Rupert Pigott wrote: >DREH> >DREH> >Broadly speaking... >DREH> >DREH> Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & >DREH> punch for you! > > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? > >DREH> hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* >DREH> way in other countries . . > > No, and we'll not discuss Mr. Kipling and his tarts, Strawberry? > .. Or even >(just to get on group) "A Torch On Every Desk" which amused the Canadians >for some obscure reason. Okay. I give up. Explanation, please? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:22:35 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZmMuStQXUNXy4ADHmnw4meZtGvI/86k//z+1b+ed40L8xTLC22oP7m X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2003 14:25:59 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!199.184.165.233.MISMATCH!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-5 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148029 In article , hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, >Rupert Pigott wrote: > >>Broadly speaking... > >Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & >punch for you! > >:) ROTFLMAO. Oh, are you frisky! You didn't even test the water to see if it was safe. You jumped right in the middle of it. > >hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* way >in other countries . . I have a feeling they understood what you meant. :-))) But I am getting an education about torch. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:25:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY4+JDAPGZATte8lQRMLP1Llm64hzrjcKmpQlui1zMW3Deaf5tlIoeO X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2003 14:28:36 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-5 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148050 In article <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >JC> In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) > >JC> > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) >JC> >JC> Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? > > Expat :) Which position? > >JC> >DREH> hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used >JC> >*that* DREH> way in other countries . . >JC> > >JC> > No, and we'll not discuss Mr. Kipling and his tarts, >JC> >JC> Strawberry? > > WARNING WARNING cross thread leakage detected. I didn't notice I leaked. > >JC> > .. Or even >JC> >(just to get on group) "A Torch On Every Desk" which amused the >JC> >Canadians for some obscure reason. >JC> >JC> Okay. I give up. Explanation, please? > > s/Torch/Tart/ for an American equivalent phrase ... > > It was a pity about the leggy blonde sitting next to the Torch >computer on the billboard adverts in Toronto with that slogan in large >letters. That should have made everybody's day everyday. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 10 Aug 03 10:38:15 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYiShWAOeTbBjLG5e84JSq/VUJ6N/dSFyYVW/SI2PoKFhXdJR/ph0lX X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2003 11:41:49 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-191 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148072 In article <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:25:12 GMT >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >JC> In article <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT >JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >JC> > >JC> >JC> In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >JC> >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) >JC> > >JC> >JC> > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) >JC> >JC> >JC> >JC> Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? >JC> > >JC> > Expat :) >JC> >JC> Which position? > > Well I can be pretty flexible ... but there are limits. [emoticon noting that we're talking about two completely different things and getting into deep piles or swamps] It all depends on whether you're passing or rushing. > >JC> >JC> > .. Or even >JC> >JC> >(just to get on group) "A Torch On Every Desk" which amused the >JC> >JC> >Canadians for some obscure reason. >JC> >JC> >JC> >JC> Okay. I give up. Explanation, please? >JC> > >JC> > s/Torch/Tart/ for an American equivalent phrase ... >JC> > >JC> > It was a pity about the leggy blonde sitting next to the Torch >JC> >computer on the billboard adverts in Toronto with that slogan in >JC> >large letters. >JC> >JC> That should have made everybody's day everyday. > > Perhaps if we had supplied the Torch instead of the strange metal >box with the upside down Pothead Pixie on it ... aren't there laws about >that sort of thing in Canada though ? I have no idea. Pothead Pixie? It sounds like it's library time again. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 10 Aug 03 10:42:38 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> <3F32A7C0.1F17FFEC@ev1.net> <1fze95p.1bp5tbt293ktzN%proto@panix.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYKhvHTnC5C96T50qeDZJ8yV3QulmwIfkeIisOsC4u7vIS/S/W9Dd+A X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2003 11:46:12 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-191 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148070 In article <1fze95p.1bp5tbt293ktzN%proto@panix.com>, proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) wrote: >Back in the days of core memory, one sometimes wondered whether we saved >time, if we counted the time of the women winding the cores. I have >enough difficulty threading a needle. There's a difference if you're measuring things based on wall-clock time or other kinds of time. Even though electricity is slow, it's still faster and more accurate than humans. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 10 Aug 03 19:10:18 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1182.352T907T11504352@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-832.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.f.de.plusline.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148149 In article slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) writes: >In article , >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >>It was odd because they knew about slashing 7s. > >Slashed 7s are standard in continental Europe. The French, Spanish, >Germans, etc. all do it. Is it because they write the numeral 1 with the little stroke at the top? I experimented with that when I was about 8 years old, but so many people misread them for 7s that I quickly reverted to an unadorned vertical line, which I use to this day. (That started running into problems about a dozen years later, but fortunately I haven't had to write that many vertical lines - or lower-case Ls, for that matter - that weren't easily distinguishable from context.) I could never understand slashing a 7 because of ambiguity with certain script forms of the letter F. Check out the Fender logo, for instance. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 10 Aug 03 19:56:44 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1073.352T2207T11965216@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-833.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.f.de.plusline.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148157 In article g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: >On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Joe Morris > wrote: > >> Assuming that you are referring to the inscription over the gates >> of Hell: >> >> >> The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." >> (translated from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni >> speranza, voi ch'entrate") >> > >Other mindless literalists might even go so far as to translate >"Lasciate ogni speranza..." as "Abandon each hope...", but, as a >comment without a literary reference except such as might be assumed >in the mind of the reader, "Abandon Hope..." is not too bad. The translation I remember seeing is "All hope abandon, ye who enter here." IMHO it's got nicer rhythm that way. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:11:59 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <59c3jvc1hcg0cc9ukcbj8ljiqhn9gehcrp@4ax.com> References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.24.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net (194.153.24.195) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060222564 29395796 194.153.24.195 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!195.24.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148313 In article , Brian Boutel in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >Charles Richmond wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>>In article jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) >>>writes: >>> >>> >>>>Yep. JMF depressed the keys with his two pointer fingers and >>>>reserved the left middle finger for telling the computer where >>>>to go when it didn't listen to him. After his "conversion" to >>>>VMS, he added a third gesture: turning the crank that was attached >>>>to the side of the sssllllloooooowwwww machine. >>> >>>I do the crank thing from time to time myself. Independent creation, >>>I guess. >>> >> >> Sounds like "prior art" to me... >> > >I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. > It's squeezing the bits out between a pair of mangle rollers. Regards, David P. ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:12:01 +0100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F2E159D.238EF0A0@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1060067296snz@dsl.co.uk> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.24.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net (194.153.24.195) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060222565 29395796 194.153.24.195 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!195.24.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148239 In article <1060067296snz@dsl.co.uk>, bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >In article > ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk "David Powell" writes: > >> Set and reset modes on a terminal. Someone chose "h", and "l", it had >> to be lower case alpha for ANSI, but surely "s" and "r" ... > >Remember that much of the driving force came from the telecomms people, >not computer (especially not software) people. Therefore they'd >naturally think in terms of some signal, under their control, being high >or low. (They always think in terms of the actual voltage, since so >often a "one" may be "active low".) Curious, I would expect the opposite. Hardware guys usually have drawing offfice training and are careful to avoid 0,O,Q,1,I,I ambiguities. DEC (hardware) certainly avoided them on connectors and backplanes. Regards, David P. ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:12:02 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.24.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net (194.153.24.195) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060222567 29395796 194.153.24.195 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!195.24.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148300 In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >In article , > Joshua Hesse wrote: >>Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >> >>> Many of my colleagues, teaching programming in various languages, >persist >>> in the use of Helvetica (or Mac Geneva) for code snippets; they do so in >>> the face of overwhelming evidence that the students don't realize just >>> when the author had meant a one, an ell, or an Eye (all of which are >>> utterly indistinguishable in such a font). >> >>In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >>used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >>instead of the zero. > >That was the convention of IBM. DEC's convention slashed zeroes. >The most difficult thing to retrain a programmer was what he >was supposed to slash (I'm talking about ~1971). > If he was an engineer, he'd probably have used McCracken when he learned his FORTRAN in the 60s. :) Regards, David P. ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:42:18 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f312637.1881877@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.61.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:147998 Joe Morris wrote: [snip] >How many people remember keypunch forms with a block where the programmer >could write a glyph and an explanation of how it was to be punched? I saw them. I never used that part, because I always did my own keypunching. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:49:41 -0400 Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 24 Sender: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <3F313D49.CF0ED81D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p38.tc2.std.dialup.ncf.ca X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1060235484 5535 134.117.137.161 (7 Aug 2003 05:51:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2003 05:51:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Given-From: "Heinz Wiggeshoff" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148176 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" wrote in message news:3F313D49.CF0ED81D@tnglwood.demon.co.uk... > Joe Morris wrote: > > > How many people remember keypunch forms with a block where the programmer > > could write a glyph and an explanation of how it was to be punched? > > Remember? I still have a pad of them. The IBM SYSTEM/360 ASSEMBLER CODING FORM, FORM GX09-0010-04 U/M050 PRINTED IN CANADA ? B-) B-) There is a row of PUNCHING INSTRUCTIONS near the top of page which has seven pairs of boxes with GRAPHIC over PUNCH. I've hung on to this pad of forms for 30+ years because the 80 column by 24 line layout is useful for screen design. ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1060262209 9786 128.29.24.210 (7 Aug 2003 13:16:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!bigboote.WPI.EDU!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148160 David Powell writes: > jmfbahciv@aol.com in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >>That was the convention of IBM. DEC's convention slashed zeroes. >>The most difficult thing to retrain a programmer was what he >>was supposed to slash (I'm talking about ~1971). >If he was an engineer, he'd probably have used McCracken when he >learned his FORTRAN in the 60s. :) You mean there was any other way to learn FORTRAN? Joe Morris PS: is he still alive? Where? And how about the other prolific author of programming texts of that era: Elliott Organick? ###### Message-ID: <3F32A7C0.1F17FFEC@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1060277365 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:29:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:29:25 GMT Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:29:25 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148298 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > In article , > Brian Boutel wrote: > >Charles Richmond wrote: > >> > >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > >> > >> Sounds like "prior art" to me... > >> > > > > I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. > > > > TOPS-10 didn't need it for the simple stuff. I was appalled > that a VMS on an Alpha did. I asked him how often he had to > turn the crank. "Too much" was the answer. > I was only joking...I just forgot the smiley. This reminds me of a computer cartoon. There was a *hugh* mainframe computer in the picture, and a tour group of a dozen or so people were being escorted around the computer room. One guy asked: "What happened to all the people who lost their jobs when you installed this computer???" Over on the side of the computer was a big "hamster wheel", and all the people who lost their jobs were in there... turning the wheel and providing power for the computer. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F32C2DD.901BE3D1@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1060284306 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:25:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:25:06 GMT Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:25:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148290 Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > Because of the ambiguity, the Civil Service here in the UK defined how > certain letters should be written by hand, and for the letter Oh it was > to be written "round and fat" with a loop at the top (somewhat like an > upside-down handwritten Q [excluding those whose Qs look like twos]) OR > as a \theta, whilst a zero was to be tall and thin, without any loops or > slashes. > The "loop at the top of the oh" style sounds familiar...I remember seeing teletype output with oh's that used this style. I may be thinking of some program listing in an early "Creative Computing" magazine. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: Julian Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:34:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f32aa8a$4$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.37/37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148152 In , on 08/06/03 at 01:28 PM, Joe Morris may have used oatmeal boxes, old string, and new, used, and recycled electrons to say (at least in part): >Some environments favored slashing the zero, others the letter. Arrgghh! When I started at IBM in 1962, there were LOCAL standards - in Poughkeepsie, it was that letter O was slashed, IIRC. Then a CORPORATE standard was decreed. There was a 3 month difference between when the engineering keypunch shop and the programming systmes shop adopted the new standard. I usually did my own anyhow (fewer errors, and keypunching code gave me an extra checking pass) but this was a guaranteed incentive to avoid sending stuff out. -- Julian Thomas: jt@jt-mj.net http://jt-mj.net In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- "Television -- a medium. So called because it is neither rare nor well done." -- Ernie Kovacs ###### From: Julian Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:50:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f32adae$7$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3f243632$1$wg$mr2ice@news.fltg.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.37/37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148162 In , on 07/29/03 at 11:46 PM, slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) may have used oatmeal boxes, old string, and new, used, and recycled electrons to say (at least in part): >>First 3 were segment, coded in roman characters; last 5 sequence within >>segment. >Are you telling me that a computer language actually required the use of >Roman Numerals when it could have used decimal ? No, just that the sequence number field used Roman Numerals - it was not part of the language. Like columns 73-80 in any 709/90/94 program deck. -- Julian Thomas: jt@jt-mj.net http://jt-mj.net In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Good Intentions Paving Company: "We did the road to Hell." ###### Message-ID: <3F32CF6B.9E45C853@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1060287520 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:18:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:18:40 GMT Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:18:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148292 Joe Morris wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > PS: [Daniel D. McCracken] is he still alive? Where? > I found through googling...that McCracken is in the faculty of the City College of New York. He should be about 73 now. Here is a blurb about some of his current activities: Dan McCracken My research interest is in Human-Computer Interaction, one of the Core Areas of the forthcoming Curriculum 2001 report of the joint ACM/IEEE-CS task force. This is a huge area; a recent bibliography from the ACM Special Interest Group on Human-Computer Interaction (SIGCHI) lists 18,000 entries. My special interest is Web design, especially color, accessibility (e.g., to the blind), and globalization. These fall into the general area of interface usability, which is felt in industry to be a weakness in computer science curriculum. I am currently working on a textbook, User-Centered Web Site Design, to be published by Prentice Hall. My co-author is Dr. Rosalee Wolfe of DePaul University, who established the first masters degree program in the country in HCI. McCracken's 2003 Home Page (with an email address on it) is at: and details of one of his latest books is at: Other interesting sites are: and > > And how about the other prolific author > of programming texts of that era: Elliott Organick? > About Elliot Organick...this came from a page at the University of Utah at : Elliott I. Organick served fifteen years at the University of Utah, tirelessly helping shape the Department's academic and research programs. In addition, he brought recognition and honor to the Department through his prolific writing, his unstinting professional service, and the warmth of his humanity. Upon his passing in 1985 many of his friends, colleagues and former students established a permanent memorial, the Elliott I. Organick Endowment. This endowment enhances the Computer Science environment in Utah through a pair of lectures which are the highlight public events of each academic year. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:01:31 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060300840 12920 194.222.24.177 (8 Aug 2003 00:00:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148232 In article , Joshua Hesse wrote: >In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >instead of the zero. My first exposure to computers was at an old-fashioned English grammar school, the sort where if you mess up on a piece of homework you have to leave the errors readable but strike them out very neatly. I learned computing just early enough to have to worry about writing in the approved style for punched cards. We learned to slash zeros and sevens and to write some letters in particular ways. I did so much computing it was just simpler to adopt these styles for all writing rather than use two different styles. The rest of the computer-enthusiasts in my year do likewise. It was the year of the Apple ][ and lots of people got interested in computers so there were quite a few of us -- more than any previous year. Put those two things together. We did maths homework and wrote our answers using slashed zeros. The teacher who marked our work saw zeros neatly slashed-out and, having been marking homework for many years, read them as neatly stricken mistakes. He marked the entire class's homework, wrote out our marks and saw to his surprise that almost all the people who were normally high-scorers had got low scores. Normal teachers wouldn't have proceeded further. This one re- read our papers, worked out what we were doing, remarked our answers and asked about it in the next lesson. We explained and he spoke to our computer science teacher, then adapted to our new writing style. Good teacher. Have a Whisky. Two years later none of us had reason to use punched cards any more. But you can't drop habits just like that. To this day I still slash my sevens in the continental style and if I'm doing heavy maths I sometimes revert to slashing my zeros. ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:04:02 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.25.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net (194.153.25.204) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060304889 30118100 194.153.25.204 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!204.25.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148314 In article , Joe Morris in alt.folklore.computers wrote: >David Powell writes: > >>If he was an engineer, he'd probably have used McCracken when he >>learned his FORTRAN in the 60s. :) > >You mean there was any other way to learn FORTRAN? > Oh yes. The clever guys just migrated from Elliott ALGOL. Like changing cars. I needed some tutorial text and playtime before I was comfortable. :) - and it's still within arm's reach, just in case I need a refresher. It seemed to be the right thing (tm) to do at that time. :( Happy days! Regards, David P. ###### From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:57:26 -0400 Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 14 Sender: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.tc0.std.dialup.ncf.ca X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1060322894 17470 134.117.137.40 (8 Aug 2003 06:08:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2003 06:08:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Given-From: "Heinz Wiggeshoff" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148174 "Joe Morris" wrote in message news:bgtjg1$9hq$2@newslocal.mitre.org... > You mean there was any other way to learn FORTRAN? FORTRAN IV WITH WATFOR AND WATFIV Paul Cress/Paul Dirksen/J. Wesley Graham Prentice-Hall Inc. c/r 1970 (A revision of the earlier F.4 w/ WATFOR, which I can't find in my junk, err library) ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1060347216 6185 128.29.24.210 (8 Aug 2003 12:53:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:53:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148139 ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) writes: >"Joe Morris" wrote: >> You mean there was any other way to learn FORTRAN? >FORTRAN IV WITH WATFOR AND WATFIV >Paul Cress/Paul Dirksen/J. Wesley Graham >Prentice-Hall Inc. >c/r 1970 You mean that you used that newfangled book? It's far too new to qualify as "folklore" Joe Morris ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060358024 45064 146.186.61.46 (8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148025 In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, Rupert Pigott wrote: >Broadly speaking... Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & punch for you! :) hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* way in other countries . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060358070 45064 146.186.61.46 (8 Aug 2003 15:54:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:54:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148040 In article , Chris Hedley wrote: >According to : >> Every operating system has its "feel". Every computer system >> has its "feel" and can be distinguished from another system >> even if both are running the same software. (I don't know >> about mirror image systems.) >I even noticed this between such broadly similar systems as Ultrix >and SVR3. They had quite a markedly different "feel" although I >couldn't quite pin down what those differences were (and I'm not >talking about things like directory structure, utils or man pages) Or today, betwen Linux and the bsd's . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060358404 45064 146.186.61.46 (8 Aug 2003 16:00:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:00:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148035 In article <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong>, Rupert Pigott wrote: >I still feel that my OpenBSD system running on older >hardware, is much more responsive than this new fangled >box running Linux. In practice the only *perceptable* >differences are in the file system and VM performance. It likely is more responsive. There are huge differences (that I don't understand :) between how the BSD's and Linux schedule things. A few years on a 200mhz k6 with 64M, I found that a load of a few (say, 5-7) could make X nearly unusable under Linux (mouse handling didn't happen often/fast enough to control it), whie a load of 10-20 barely fazed the interface on FreeBSD. The same amount of work was likely happening beind the scenes, but the responsiveness is a big deal . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyyxvi.1ondd331gqlre5N%lars@bearnip.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060358981 45064 146.186.61.46 (8 Aug 2003 16:09:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:09:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148024 In article , Justin R. Bendich wrote: >At IBM, the (endless supply of) lawyers tell us that if we even so much >as smell Open Source code, we will become "tainted" and IBM will >have to publish all its code. >Commercial software is dead. So it smells like almonds? :) IIRC, IBM was the first biggie to become actively involved with existing open source projects when it started working on Apache. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:13:20 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.206.39.93 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 1060376602 205.206.39.93 (Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:03:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:03:22 EDT Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148075 In article , hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, >Rupert Pigott wrote: >>Broadly speaking... >Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & >punch for you! >:) >hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* way >in other countries . . I dunno.. "... Isolde, heilige Braut ..." Regards. Mel. ###### Message-ID: <3F33D650.26C51B7B@earthlink.net> From: jchausler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> <3F32CF6B.9E45C853@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:58:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.178.105.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1060361923 63.178.105.231 (Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:58:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:58:43 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148012 Charles Richmond wrote: > Joe Morris wrote: > > PS: [Daniel D. McCracken] is he still alive? Where? > I found through googling...that McCracken is in the faculty > of the City College of New York. He should be about 73 now. I still have my McCracken Fortran IV and Algol books, acquired in the mid 60's. In the mid 80's I recall visiting the Computer Museum when it was in Boston and seeing the Fortran IV book in a case with a number of other "old" computer things and suddenly feeling very old myself, and that was almost 20 years ago, imagine how I feel now :-) A friend from that time and occasional a.f.c visitor (although I haven't seen you here lately Ric ?) commented to me something like while looking over such a display, he was constantly looking over his shoulder afraid that one of the museum curators was going to grab him and put him in the case: "systems programmer, circa 1968". (Yes, son, there were once such creatures, but thanks be to our god Windows, none have survived :-) Chris AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE $$ ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:12:25 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060362744 4054 80.177.7.220 (8 Aug 2003 17:12:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:12:24 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148129 "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message news:bh0he4$1c08$5@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... > In article <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong>, > Rupert Pigott wrote: > > >I still feel that my OpenBSD system running on older > >hardware, is much more responsive than this new fangled > >box running Linux. In practice the only *perceptable* > >differences are in the file system and VM performance. > > It likely is more responsive. > > There are huge differences (that I don't understand :) between how the > BSD's and Linux schedule things. A few years on a 200mhz k6 with 64M, I > found that a load of a few (say, 5-7) could make X nearly unusable under > Linux (mouse handling didn't happen often/fast enough to control it), > whie a load of 10-20 barely fazed the interface on FreeBSD. The same > amount of work was likely happening beind the scenes, but the > responsiveness is a big deal . . . Well, I didn't want to start a flame war, but yes, OpenBSD feels a lot more spritely. Linux wasn't always like that, I used to run 3-4 users compiling on a 'small' 24MByte 486 DX2/66 without too much trouble - that was a 1.1 series kernel though. 1.2 was nice too. Cheers, Rupert ###### Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:13:54 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 08 Aug 2003 18:00:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p0089.nas1-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1060365605 willi.euronet.nl 45373 62.234.208.89:1685 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148181 On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: DREH> In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, DREH> Rupert Pigott wrote: DREH> DREH> >Broadly speaking... DREH> DREH> Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & DREH> punch for you! Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) DREH> hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* DREH> way in other countries . . No, and we'll not discuss Mr. Kipling and his tarts, Or even (just to get on group) "A Torch On Every Desk" which amused the Canadians for some obscure reason. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong> <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060366324 58620 146.186.61.46 (8 Aug 2003 18:12:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148071 In article <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong>, Rupert Pigott wrote: >"Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message >news:bh0he4$1c08$5@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... >> It likely is more responsive. >> There are huge differences (that I don't understand :) between how the >> BSD's and Linux schedule things. A few years on a 200mhz k6 with 64M, I >> found that a load of a few (say, 5-7) could make X nearly unusable under >> Linux (mouse handling didn't happen often/fast enough to control it), >> whie a load of 10-20 barely fazed the interface on FreeBSD. The same >> amount of work was likely happening beind the scenes, but the >> responsiveness is a big deal . . . >Well, I didn't want to start a flame war, but yes, OpenBSD >feels a lot more spritely. Linux wasn't always like that, I >used to run 3-4 users compiling on a 'small' 24MByte 486 >DX2/66 without too much trouble - that was a 1.1 series >kernel though. 1.2 was nice too. A few users compiling on that wouldn't be a problem if X wasn't running. But if it was . . . :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:34:03 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 37 Message-ID: <1060367643.206883@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059924483.537881@saucer.planet.gong> <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060367643 10203 80.177.7.220 (8 Aug 2003 18:34:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:34:03 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148130 "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message news:bh0p5k$1p7s$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... > In article <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong>, > Rupert Pigott wrote: > >"Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message > >news:bh0he4$1c08$5@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... > > >> It likely is more responsive. > > >> There are huge differences (that I don't understand :) between how the > >> BSD's and Linux schedule things. A few years on a 200mhz k6 with 64M, I > >> found that a load of a few (say, 5-7) could make X nearly unusable under > >> Linux (mouse handling didn't happen often/fast enough to control it), > >> whie a load of 10-20 barely fazed the interface on FreeBSD. The same > >> amount of work was likely happening beind the scenes, but the > >> responsiveness is a big deal . . . > > >Well, I didn't want to start a flame war, but yes, OpenBSD > >feels a lot more spritely. Linux wasn't always like that, I > >used to run 3-4 users compiling on a 'small' 24MByte 486 > >DX2/66 without too much trouble - that was a 1.1 series > >kernel though. 1.2 was nice too. > > A few users compiling on that wouldn't be a problem if X wasn't running. > But if it was . . . It was. Biggest problem was paging - not enough RAM for all that kinda stuff going PLUS X... X really wasn't a problem on top of all that, but both the server and Kernel changed a LOT during 1.1 -> 1.2. Cheers, Rupert ###### Message-ID: <3F3415B4.6CA0322@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1060371048 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:30:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:30:48 GMT Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:30:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148263 "Heinz W. Wiggeshoff" wrote: > > "Joe Morris" wrote in message > news:bgtjg1$9hq$2@newslocal.mitre.org... > > You mean there was any other way to learn FORTRAN? > > FORTRAN IV WITH WATFOR AND WATFIV > Paul Cress/Paul Dirksen/J. Wesley Graham > Prentice-Hall Inc. > c/r 1970 > IIRC, Organick also wrote FORTRAN and Algol books... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3F3442F8.5C41C133@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1060382637 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:43:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:43:57 GMT Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:43:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148277 Mel Wilson wrote: > > In article , > hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > >In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, > >Rupert Pigott wrote: > >>Broadly speaking... > > >Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & > >punch for you! > >:) > >hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* way > >in other countries . . > > I dunno.. "... Isolde, heilige Braut ..." > "Wer nicht liebt Weib, Wein, und Gesang Er bleibt ein Nahr sein leben lang." -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:35:16 -0600 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1fzdsmi.c98kkm1irws2hN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: gw01-csv-co-34-131.rasserver.net (207.221.44.131) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060385721 30525066 207.221.44.131 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!gw01-csv-co-34-131.rasserver.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148266 Mel Wilson wrote: > In article , > hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > >In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, > >Rupert Pigott wrote: > >>Broadly speaking... > > >Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & > >punch for you! > >:) > >hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* way > >in other countries . . > > I dunno.. "... Isolde, heilige Braut ..." Lessee - german 'Braut' is englisch 'bride', which sounds awfully close to german 'breit'. which in turn can be translated with the english 'broad'. Yup, works. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:50:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1060393814 24.71.223.147 (Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:50:14 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:50:14 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148318 On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) in alt.folklore.computers, hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, >Rupert Pigott wrote: > >>Broadly speaking... > >Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & >punch for you! > >:) > >hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used *that* way >in other countries . . Many regulars in other countries may have seen Bogie, Cagney, or others without the "benefit" of a translated soundtrack. I'm all for the original soundtrack and subtitles for the culturally or lingustically deprived. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:00:24 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: <2pr8jv03f51ielo7r3g8o4e517qs55kmol@4ax.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:aZgZEq2m/fjG2LaiWcWIMkSYgdE= References: <1059081242snz@dsl.co.uk> <2oh3ivk08cd0j4qkpf8klnmh77hvoqhva2@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 06:01:48 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1060401708 news.xs4all.nl 49114 80.127.198.243:3699 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148231 On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:08:22 -0000, Pete Fenelon wrote: > David Powell wrote: > > > > 'Allo, 'Allo! > > "The candle with the handle on the gateau from the chateau," etc. > > > > Christmas 1985. > > > > RIP humour on BBC tv. > > Yeah, that was one of the shows that drove in the last nails ;P Since when has baiting cheese-eating surrender-monkeys with inappropriate stereotypes been a sin? In the last century, I mean. Erm... Oh, dear. Giles. ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:19:45 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jrc7vbpeURIAAjwix6stoc+gW+s= References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 06:19:55 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1060402795 news.xs4all.nl 49108 80.127.198.243:3704 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!blue.qinip.net!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148308 On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Joe Morris wrote: > Charles Shannon Hendrix writes: > > >/* > > * FILE: hairballs.c > > * > > * Abandon Hope... > > * > > */ > > Assuming that you are referring to the inscription over the gates of Hell: > > > The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." (translated > from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate") > Other mindless literalists might even go so far as to translate "Lasciate ogni speranza..." as "Abandon each hope...", but, as a comment without a literary reference except such as might be assumed in the mind of the reader, "Abandon Hope..." is not too bad. > For a while I routinely put that into the comments of the abort logic > of every program I wrote. How clever you are. Giles. ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:50:11 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:hlaWrzzx0JQfFZ8Wh8IeMgWlGmM= References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 06:50:21 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1060404621 news.xs4all.nl 49105 80.127.198.243:3711 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148303 On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:19:19 -0000, Pete Fenelon wrote: > Indeed. And never underestimate the power of a lookup table full of > useful constants ;) Desigining sensible data structures and making > tradeoffs between lookup, calculate and hybrids thereof is *the* heart > of pragmatic programming, but it doesn't seem to be taught these days. Memory costs money, you know. Besides, I have this wonderful algorithm for calculating the necessary dimensions of a wheel for which the only required peripherals will be a straight edge and a compass. Giles. ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:52:46 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:SHChbY25Q0U8oSq4VMHPzYaF0/4= References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 08:02:10 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1060408930 news.xs4all.nl 49108 80.127.198.243:3726 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148317 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT, Brian Inglis wrote: > Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from > than ever before Is this meant to be a recommendation? Giles. ###### From: Joe Pfeiffer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 08 Aug 2003 23:38:54 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1b8yq3z8y9.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.123.64.113 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: bubba.NMSU.Edu 1060407531 8682 128.123.64.113 (9 Aug 2003 05:38:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@bubba.NMSU.Edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2003 05:38:51 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!lenny.tc.umn.edu!nunki.unm.edu!news.NMSU.Edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148011 I've probably told the story before of a simulation I wrote which would run usefully for several hours, but which might (while debugging) go nuts on me and run forever. So I put an alarm timeout in it, named the handler "suicide", and documented it with the lyrics to the theme from M*A*S*H. -- Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair: http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifair ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 08:01:39 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: <3k29jv8h3e10m4js5fs0006oin7u0bcl4o@4ax.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:heE15w69or4FifrnJhkh7Xwrb0g= References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 08:02:10 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1060408930 news.xs4all.nl 49108 80.127.198.243:3726 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148217 On Thu, 07 Aug 03 11:56:35 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > It was odd because they knew about slashing 7s. Agh. I am completely trained when it comes to writing slashed 7s. But can I read them? Can I buggery. I still see 1s with a hat as seven, just because I do not handwrite '1' in that manner and I have no reason to suspect that anyone in his or her right mind would do otherwise. Handwritten '1' should a vertical line, no more, no less. Handwritten 'I' should be a vertical line, topped and tailed. '7' is supposed to be slashed where I live, but mistakes can be expensive, particularly when I make them, depending on the decimal place. Grr... 6173z. -- Hey, I could write a Daily Mail editorial about this. It wouldn't be much of a challenge. Just blame it all on Brussels. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 03:05:49 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> <3F32CF6B.9E45C853@ev1.net> <3F33D650.26C51B7B@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-516.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148254 In article <3F33D650.26C51B7B@earthlink.net>, jchausler wrote: > In the mid 80's > I recall visiting the Computer Museum when it was > in Boston and seeing the Fortran IV book in a case > with a number of other "old" computer things and > suddenly feeling very old myself, and that was almost > 20 years ago, imagine how I feel now :-) That wouldn't have been at the party during the SIGCHI/SIGGRAPH convention in Boston in 1986, would it? I was there. Still a student, I went to the convention 'cause it was close by and certain to be interesting. The best part, other than the airing of the Pixar short "Lux"(? the one with the lamps, people seemed floored by it), was the social at the Computer Museam. People were *drawn* to the 029 (working and available) and 1401 (in a glassed-off room, probably normal for it). God but that was fun! Many people essayed the sentiment you just did. -- Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction! ###### From: MC Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 12:53:40 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 13 Message-ID: <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: sellafield.lysator.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.island.liu.se 1060426375 13721 130.236.254.103 (9 Aug 2003 10:52:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@island.liu.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:52:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qgM41Fs7ozIJMnLsoSI8bFKBtwA= Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!uninett.no!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.island.liu.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148119 Brian Inglis writes: > Many regulars in other countries may have seen Bogie, Cagney, or > others without the "benefit" of a translated soundtrack. I'm all > for the original soundtrack and subtitles for the culturally or > lingustically deprived. Thankfully, Swedish cinemas usually show foreign movies with the original soundtrack and Swedish subtitles, except, possibly, for children's movies. -- MC, Temple of the Moby Hack - http://hack.org/~mc/ ###### Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:46:41 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 13:56:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p0462.nas4-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1060437398 maya.euronet.nl 154 62.234.221.208:1883 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148189 On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) JC> > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) JC> JC> Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? Expat :) JC> >DREH> hawk, suddenly realizing the word "broad" likely isn't used JC> >*that* DREH> way in other countries . . JC> > JC> > No, and we'll not discuss Mr. Kipling and his tarts, JC> JC> Strawberry? WARNING WARNING cross thread leakage detected. JC> > .. Or even JC> >(just to get on group) "A Torch On Every Desk" which amused the JC> >Canadians for some obscure reason. JC> JC> Okay. I give up. Explanation, please? s/Torch/Tart/ for an American equivalent phrase ... It was a pity about the leggy blonde sitting next to the Torch computer on the billboard adverts in Toronto with that slogan in large letters. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:13:37 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <1fze95p.1bp5tbt293ktzN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <717.346T2159T12985792@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F2FF9EB.D6B2798C@ev1.net> <3F32A7C0.1F17FFEC@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1060445617 8816 166.84.199.79 (9 Aug 2003 16:13:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:13:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews-us.colt.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newscene!novia!novia!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148216 Charles Richmond wrote: > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > > In article , > > Brian Boutel wrote: > > >Charles Richmond wrote: > > >> > > >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > >> > > >> Sounds like "prior art" to me... > > >> > > > > > > I thought everybody did it. Its winding up the clockwork spring. > > > > > > > TOPS-10 didn't need it for the simple stuff. I was appalled > > that a VMS on an Alpha did. I asked him how often he had to > > turn the crank. "Too much" was the answer. > > > I was only joking...I just forgot the smiley. > > This reminds me of a computer cartoon. There was a *hugh* > mainframe computer in the picture, and a tour group of a > dozen or so people were being escorted around the computer > room. One guy asked: "What happened to all the people > who lost their jobs when you installed this computer???" > Over on the side of the computer was a big "hamster wheel", > and all the people who lost their jobs were in there... > turning the wheel and providing power for the computer. > > -- Back in the days of core memory, one sometimes wondered whether we saved time, if we counted the time of the women winding the cores. I have enough difficulty threading a needle. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:33:53 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2003 17:02:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p0307.nas2-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1060448530 willi.euronet.nl 45380 62.234.213.53:1901 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newshub1.home.nl!home.nl!nntpfeed-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148190 On Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:25:12 GMT jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> In article <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> > JC> >JC> In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >JC> >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) JC> > JC> >JC> > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) JC> >JC> JC> >JC> Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? JC> > JC> > Expat :) JC> JC> Which position? Well I can be pretty flexible ... but there are limits. JC> >JC> > .. Or even JC> >JC> >(just to get on group) "A Torch On Every Desk" which amused the JC> >JC> >Canadians for some obscure reason. JC> >JC> JC> >JC> Okay. I give up. Explanation, please? JC> > JC> > s/Torch/Tart/ for an American equivalent phrase ... JC> > JC> > It was a pity about the leggy blonde sitting next to the Torch JC> >computer on the billboard adverts in Toronto with that slogan in JC> >large letters. JC> JC> That should have made everybody's day everyday. Perhaps if we had supplied the Torch instead of the strange metal box with the upside down Pothead Pixie on it ... aren't there laws about that sort of thing in Canada though ? -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong> <1060367643.206883@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060449238 37074 146.186.61.46 (9 Aug 2003 17:13:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:13:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148041 In article <1060367643.206883@saucer.planet.gong>, Rupert Pigott wrote: >"Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message >news:bh0p5k$1p7s$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... >> >used to run 3-4 users compiling on a 'small' 24MByte 486 >> >DX2/66 without too much trouble - that was a 1.1 series >> >kernel though. 1.2 was nice too. >> A few users compiling on that wouldn't be a problem if X wasn't running. >> But if it was . . . >It was. Biggest problem was paging - not enough RAM for all >that kinda stuff going PLUS X... X really wasn't a problem >on top of all that, but both the server and Kernel changed >a LOT during 1.1 -> 1.2. It wasn't the extra swapping that was the problem. It was that somewhere around a load of 4, the cursor didn't get updated often enough. The first machines I put linux on were 8-24mb 486's . . . it was a 64mb 200mhz k6 when I hit the cursor problem. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:38:19 +0100 Organization: Titanic Enterprises Unlimited Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1060450699.660757@saucer.planet.gong> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1060362744.667604@saucer.planet.gong> <1060367643.206883@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060450700 23372 80.177.7.220 (9 Aug 2003 17:38:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:38:20 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Priority: 3 X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cache-Post-Path: saucer.planet.gong!unknown@voodoo.planet.gong Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148133 "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message news:bh3a4m$146i$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... > In article <1060367643.206883@saucer.planet.gong>, > Rupert Pigott wrote: > >"Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote in message > >news:bh0p5k$1p7s$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... > > >> >used to run 3-4 users compiling on a 'small' 24MByte 486 > >> >DX2/66 without too much trouble - that was a 1.1 series > >> >kernel though. 1.2 was nice too. > > >> A few users compiling on that wouldn't be a problem if X wasn't running. > >> But if it was . . . > > >It was. Biggest problem was paging - not enough RAM for all > >that kinda stuff going PLUS X... X really wasn't a problem > >on top of all that, but both the server and Kernel changed > >a LOT during 1.1 -> 1.2. > > It wasn't the extra swapping that was the problem. It was that > somewhere around a load of 4, the cursor didn't get updated often > enough. > > The first machines I put linux on were 8-24mb 486's . . . it was a 64mb > 200mhz k6 when I hit the cursor problem. Funnily enough I think I hit it on a 233 K6... The 486 just chugged along, albeit so slowly that you had to open the case to make sure the hamster wheels were spinning. Mind you it was about that time I fell out with Linux and tried OpenBSD on the basis that it was the smallest download out of all the free UNIXen I found. Probably still is - excepting all those funky floppy/recovery systems. :) Cheers, Rupert ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:04:09 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060473795 23031 194.222.24.177 (10 Aug 2003 00:03:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148219 In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >It was odd because they knew about slashing 7s. Slashed 7s are standard in continental Europe. The French, Spanish, Germans, etc. all do it. ###### Lines: 36 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mensanator@aol.com (Mensanator) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 10 Aug 2003 02:39:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030809223902.09006.00000286@mb-m05.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148113 >Subject: Re: humor in source code >From: Joe Morris jcmorris@mitre.org >Date: 8/6/2003 8:28 AM Central Standard Time >Message-id: > >Joshua Hesse writes: > >>In my high-school BASIC programming class, the author of the textbook >>used a font for the program examples that had a slash through the "O" >>instead of the zero. > >Some environments favored slashing the zero, others the letter. The >original argument for slashing the letter was that in Ye Olde Days >the programmers and coders (who were below programmers in the Great >Scheme of Things) wrote digits far more often than alphabetic characters, >so the extra stroke was placed on the less-used glyph. > >How many people remember keypunch forms with a block where the programmer >could write a glyph and an explanation of how it was to be punched? A couple years ago I had to design an MS-Access report to electronically fill out a government form that was originally meant to be hand written or typed. The kind where every letter has to be in a seperate box (lots of fun). Since we wanted to reproduce the _exact_ look of the original form, we even included the footnotes: Note to the keypunch operator... > >Joe Morris -- Mensanator 2 of Clubs http://members.aol.com/mensanator666/2ofclubs/2ofclubs.htm ###### From: Roger Johnstone Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Lines: 22 Message-ID: <20030810200702947+1200@news.inv.ihug.co.nz> References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <0dc3jv03kfs6ff9qaqi1qp5uquk91s1jnp@4ax.com> <3F32CF6B.9E45C853@ev1.net> <3F33D650.26C51B7B@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48-max2.inv.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1060502840 26487 203.173.222.240 (10 Aug 2003 08:07:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:07:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc2b Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148170 In Howard S Shubs wrote: > That wouldn't have been at the party during the SIGCHI/SIGGRAPH > convention in Boston in 1986, would it? > > I was there. Still a student, I went to the convention 'cause it was > close by and certain to be interesting. The best part, other than the > airing of the Pixar short "Lux"(? the one with the lamps, people > seemed floored by it) Luxo Jr., and it can be viewed at http://www.pixar.com/shorts/ljr/ -- Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand Apple II - FutureCop:LAPD - iMac Game Wizard http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rojaws/ ________________________________________________________________________ "But what is it good for?" Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM commenting on the micro chip, 1968 ###### Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:09:44 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2003 19:43:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p0261.nas2-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1060544624 maya.euronet.nl 143 62.234.213.7:1973 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148178 On Sun, 10 Aug 03 10:38:15 GMT jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> In article <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:25:12 GMT JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> > JC> >JC> In article <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT JC> >JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> >JC> > JC> >JC> >JC> In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> >JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >JC> >JC> >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) JC> >JC> > JC> >JC> >JC> > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) JC> >JC> >JC> JC> >JC> >JC> Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? JC> >JC> > JC> >JC> > Expat :) JC> >JC> JC> >JC> Which position? JC> > JC> > Well I can be pretty flexible ... but there are limits. JC> JC> [emoticon noting that we're talking about two completely different Only two ? JC> things and getting into deep piles or swamps] Piles and/or swamps are definitely beyond the limits :) JC> It all depends on whether you're passing or rushing. Hmm, you have some kind of sport in mind then ? JC> I have no idea. Pothead Pixie? It sounds like it's library time JC> again. That'd be a good library :) I'll explain properly - The Logo on the Torch computer was (apparently) a pretty standard flaming torch shape, simple and solid filled - flame, rim, cone sort of thing. A Pothead Pixie is character from various Gong albums, they are small, bearded and often wear a pointy hat. It is an odd coincidence that if you invert the Torch logo it bears an uncanny resemblance to the outline of a Pothead Pixie as seen on several Gong album covers. This odd coincidence was noted well before the release ... by the designer of the logo! -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:55:44 -0500 From: "Jack Peacock" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net><1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong><1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong><20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net><20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net><20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net> Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:55:43 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <1N-dnTcBnNIdRquiXTWJhQ@mpowercom.net> Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.57.2.36 X-Trace: sv3-jlnNSc9X/PPVObhRs3NsGIBgv3KycgfU14AmoG9xLJLw7uVSR0kpV2/OK36KyJ7VBMhGf7OdNFPNmkq!ndX1ze9DVjk1GB0W5vCWm1+7EZ4NN83dckO407jicgCCD5OGt9fSmUPgSM4IZ0EGb1Aon4U9u0QY!hA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.166.71.118.MISMATCH!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.mpowercom.net!news.mpowercom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148211 "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote in message news:20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net... > A Pothead Pixie is character from various Gong albums, they are > small, bearded and often wear a pointy hat. It is an odd coincidence that > if you invert the Torch logo it bears an uncanny resemblance to the > outline of a Pothead Pixie as seen on several Gong album covers. > Then there was the famous triangle cutout in the circle logo of Soroc Technology. It bore an uncanny resemblance to the top of an open beer can. A deliberate reference to the preferred designer brain fuel or so I'm told, which in turn may explain why the company did a crash and burn when it came out with the follow-on product line to its famous terminal. Jack Peacock ###### From: Richard G Molpus Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net><1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong><1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong><20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net><20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net><20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net> <1N-dnTcBnNIdRquiXTWJhQ@mpowercom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com Organization: EasyNews, UseNet made Easy! X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:00:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!easynews-local!news.easynews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148322 The story I was told when Soroc first entered the market was: Soroc was formed by a group of engineers from (fill-in-the-blank), a major Computer Terminal maker. As they were sitting around the ( fill in the blank )'s Kitchen table discussing forming the company, the question of what to call this new venture arose. Since almost everyone there had a beer at hand, several looked into the open pull-tab hole for inspiration. Suddenly, the solution hit! ( or was it the Alcohol?). Call the company after this grand inspiration! - so they reversed the name of the beer ( Coors \|/ Srooc), shifted a letter, ( Srooc \|/ Soroc), and celebrated. By opening more beer. The veracity of this is faint; but it sounds good...... On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:55:43 -0700, "Jack Peacock" wrote: >"Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote in message >news:20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net... >> A Pothead Pixie is character from various Gong albums, they are >> small, bearded and often wear a pointy hat. It is an odd coincidence that >> if you invert the Torch logo it bears an uncanny resemblance to the >> outline of a Pothead Pixie as seen on several Gong album covers. >> >Then there was the famous triangle cutout in the circle logo of Soroc >Technology. It bore an uncanny resemblance to the top of an open beer can. >A deliberate reference to the preferred designer brain fuel or so I'm told, >which in turn may explain why the company did a crash and burn when it came >out with the follow-on product line to its famous terminal. > Jack Peacock > ###### From: Ingvar Mattsson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 11 Aug 2003 13:00:10 +0100 Organization: Frontier Internet Services Limited (Customer Usenet server) Lines: 20 Sender: ingvar@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net Message-ID: <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: shale.ftech.net 1060603133 31099 212.32.17.6 (11 Aug 2003 11:58:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ftech.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:58:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!195.149.39.56.MISMATCH!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148311 MC writes: > Brian Inglis writes: > > > Many regulars in other countries may have seen Bogie, Cagney, or > > others without the "benefit" of a translated soundtrack. I'm all > > for the original soundtrack and subtitles for the culturally or > > lingustically deprived. > > Thankfully, Swedish cinemas usually show foreign movies with the > original soundtrack and Swedish subtitles, except, possibly, for > children's movies. And in many cases, they will do dual A copies, one dubbed and one subbed (with "sub" or "dub" listed at least in the cinema but not *always* in newspaper or on-line listings). //Ingvar -- Warning: Pregnancy can cause birth from females ###### From: Joe Morris Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The MITRE Organization Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <20030809223902.09006.00000286@mb-m05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: newslocal.mitre.org 1060606415 5117 128.29.24.210 (11 Aug 2003 12:53:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:53:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!newstransit.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148153 mensanator@aol.com (Mensanator) writes: >A couple years ago I had to design an MS-Access report to electronically fill >out a government form that was originally meant to be hand written or typed. >The kind where every letter has to be in a seperate box (lots of fun). Since we >wanted to reproduce the _exact_ look of the original form, we even included the >footnotes: >Note to the keypunch operator... There's at least one US Govm't form I ran across perhaps six years or so back was converted from paper to a specialized program (for a variety of reasons, it's not suitable for web-hosted submission). In the place where it asks for your state of residence, the instructions (also available from the form's program) instruct the applicant to enter a 2-letter abbreviation "from the list on the back of this page".' I ran into the form program again about a year ago. It had gone through several revisions in the interim, but still directed applicatnts to select the state ID "from the list on the back of this page". Knowing some users, it's not too much of a stretch to see them turning their monitor around... Joe Morris ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:30:55 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1060608702 14136 158.152.132.30 (11 Aug 2003 13:31:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:31:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148175 Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > And in many cases, they will do dual A copies, one dubbed and one > subbed (with "sub" or "dub" listed at least in the cinema but not > *always* in newspaper or on-line listings). I once watched "Dr. Strangelove" in the cinema on a "flotel" that was docked with the Frigg complex. Without either dub or subtitles I was the only one falling about laughing, while the rest of the audience (mainly Norwegian) sat in stunned slience looking at me. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: mwilson@the-wire.com (Mel Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: References: <20030809223902.09006.00000286@mb-m05.aol.com> Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.37Beta [95/NT] Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:08:34 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.206.39.142 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 1060613259 205.206.39.142 (Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:47:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:47:39 EDT Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148076 In article , Joe Morris wrote: >There's at least one US Govm't form I ran across perhaps six years >or so back was converted from paper to a specialized program (for >a variety of reasons, it's not suitable for web-hosted submission). >In the place where it asks for your state of residence, the instructions >(also available from the form's program) instruct the applicant to >enter a 2-letter abbreviation "from the list on the back of this page".' > >I ran into the form program again about a year ago. It had gone through >several revisions in the interim, but still directed applicatnts to >select the state ID "from the list on the back of this page". !!.. could have kept the wording, but made it a hyperlink. The real tech solution would be to use Charred...CH to make the necessary information dimly visible backwards between the lines on the "front" of the form. Regards. Mel. ###### From: Ingvar Mattsson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 11 Aug 2003 15:44:13 +0100 Organization: Frontier Internet Services Limited (Customer Usenet server) Lines: 25 Sender: ingvar@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net Message-ID: <87ptjcgsoy.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: shale.ftech.net 1060612977 3536 212.32.17.6 (11 Aug 2003 14:42:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ftech.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:42:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148325 "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" writes: > Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > > > And in many cases, they will do dual A copies, one dubbed and one > > subbed (with "sub" or "dub" listed at least in the cinema but not > > *always* in newspaper or on-line listings). > > I once watched "Dr. Strangelove" in the cinema on a "flotel" that was > docked with the Frigg complex. Without either dub or subtitles I was the > only one falling about laughing, while the rest of the audience (mainly > Norwegian) sat in stunned slience looking at me. I must say that I still remember the first day I was *disturbed* due to sub-titling issues. I was watching a film and roughly half-way through I realised it was (a) in English and (b) *not* subtitled. Almost as bizarre as reading the subtitling of the Swedish children's song in /Minority Report/ (no, there *is* no subtitles, it was all in my mind). No wonder I thought the subtitling was eerily accurate. //Ingvar -- When it doesn't work, it's because you did something wrong. Try to do it the right way, instead. ###### Message-ID: <3F375A4F.C7421003@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> <1073.352T2207T11965216@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.170.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1060613888 12.90.170.142 (Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148324 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: > > wrote: > > > >> Assuming that you are referring to the inscription over the > >> gates of Hell: > >> > >> > >> The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." > >> (translated from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni > >> speranza, voi ch'entrate") > >> > > > > Other mindless literalists might even go so far as to translate > > "Lasciate ogni speranza..." as "Abandon each hope...", but, as > > a comment without a literary reference except such as might be > > assumedin the mind of the reader, "Abandon Hope..." is not too > > bad. > > The translation I remember seeing is "All hope abandon, ye who > enter here." IMHO it's got nicer rhythm that way. And I seem to remember "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here". -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. USE worldnet address! ###### Message-ID: <3F37C529.C55656DB@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <20030809223902.09006.00000286@mb-m05.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:41:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.167.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1060620099 12.90.167.217 (Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:41:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:41:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148330 Joe Morris wrote: > mensanator@aol.com (Mensanator) writes: > > > A couple years ago I had to design an MS-Access report to > > electronically fill out a government form that was originally > > meant to be hand written or typed. The kind where every letter > > has to be in a seperate box (lots of fun). Since we wanted to > > reproduce the _exact_ look of the original form, we even > > included the footnotes: > > >Note to the keypunch operator... > > There's at least one US Govm't form I ran across perhaps six > years or so back was converted from paper to a specialized > program (for a variety of reasons, it's not suitable for > web-hosted submission). In the place where it asks for your > state of residence, the instructions (also available from the > form's program) instruct the applicant to enter a 2-letter > abbreviation "from the list on the back of this page".' > > I ran into the form program again about a year ago. It had > gone through several revisions in the interim, but still > directed applicatnts to select the state ID "from the list on > the back of this page". > > Knowing some users, it's not too much of a stretch to see them > turning their monitor around... After which they have to find the 'any' key to press. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. USE worldnet address! ###### From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:27:21 -0400 Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 14 Sender: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Message-ID: References: <20030809223902.09006.00000286@mb-m05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.tc3.std.dialup.ncf.ca X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1060622947 16433 134.117.137.179 (11 Aug 2003 17:29:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 2003 17:29:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Given-From: "Heinz Wiggeshoff" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148339 "Mel Wilson" wrote in message news:iN6N/ks/K3mM089yn@the-wire.com... > !!.. could have kept the wording, but made it a > hyperlink. The real tech solution would be to use dir="rtl">Charred...CH > to make the necessary information dimly visible backwards > between the lines on the "front" of the form. Kid, we don't like your kind around here. B-) ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060623957 21044 146.186.61.46 (11 Aug 2003 17:45:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:45:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148338 In article , wrote: >In article , > hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >>In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, >>Rupert Pigott wrote: >>>Broadly speaking... >>Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & >>punch for you! >ROTFLMAO. Oh, are you frisky! You didn't even test the water to >see if it was safe. You jumped right in the middle of it. he who hesitates is lost :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 12 Aug 03 10:54:27 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZS3pme5lJQ8EcXFeLjUiw0B9Q3lcJizlpSG9bJqx3M+K2aPw5T9Opr X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2003 11:58:24 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-184 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148358 In article <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sun, 10 Aug 03 10:38:15 GMT >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >JC> In article <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:25:12 GMT >JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >JC> > >JC> >JC> In article <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT >JC> >JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >JC> >JC> > >JC> >JC> >JC> In article <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net>, >JC> >JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >JC> >JC> >JC> >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) >JC> >JC> > >JC> >JC> >JC> > Hey from this side of the pond she is definitely abroad :) >JC> >JC> >JC> >JC> >JC> >JC> Nice one. :-) But what does that make you? >JC> >JC> > >JC> >JC> > Expat :) >JC> >JC> >JC> >JC> Which position? >JC> > >JC> > Well I can be pretty flexible ... but there are limits. >JC> >JC> [emoticon noting that we're talking about two completely different > > Only two ? Weeeellll....probably not. Tight end and forward pass now has whole new meanings for me :-). > >JC> things and getting into deep piles or swamps] > > Piles and/or swamps are definitely beyond the limits :) > >JC> It all depends on whether you're passing or rushing. > > Hmm, you have some kind of sport in mind then ? yep. Football, US-style. In New England, if you're an ex-pat you used to run around a field chasing a pigskin filled with air. > >JC> I have no idea. Pothead Pixie? It sounds like it's library time >JC> again. > > That'd be a good library :) I'll explain properly - > > The Logo on the Torch computer was (apparently) a pretty standard >flaming torch shape, simple and solid filled - flame, rim, cone sort of >thing. > > A Pothead Pixie is character from various Gong albums, they are >small, bearded and often wear a pointy hat. It is an odd coincidence that >if you invert the Torch logo it bears an uncanny resemblance to the >outline of a Pothead Pixie as seen on several Gong album covers. Thank you. :-) I'd never get it. I'm assuming Gong was a band and not a TV show. > > This odd coincidence was noted well before the release ... by the >designer of the logo! If I make a certain outlandish assumption, the acid etched it on the brain. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 12 Aug 03 13:37:43 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYemNrfJ6VQkPWHrfRmN0IX9nv8f5ZwsuW9JJAH7JqhEknOcA/RR4hA X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2003 14:41:38 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-182-214 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148356 In article , Brian Inglis wrote: >On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:52:46 +0200 in alt.folklore.computers, >Giles Todd wrote: > >>On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT, Brian Inglis >> wrote: >> >>> Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from >>> than ever before >> >>Is this meant to be a recommendation? > >You can learn equally valuable lessons from both good and bad >source code -- e.g. K&P's Elements of Programming Style. It sounds like the key to writing robust C code is to learn what not to do. /BAH ###### From: Ben Shimmin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 11 Aug 2003 19:58:00 GMT Organization: cyclical mastermind Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F17EA94.67234A18@airmail.net> <1073.352T2207T11965216@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3F375A4F.C7421003@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vortex.ukshells.co.uk (217.10.142.10) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060631880 32334837 217.10.142.10 (16 [129603]) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vortex.ukshells.co.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148421 CBFalconer : > Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Assuming that you are referring to the inscription over the >> >> gates of Hell: >> >> >> >> >> >> The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." >> >> (translated from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni >> >> speranza, voi ch'entrate") >> >> Or, as Dante actually wrote it, rather than transliterating into modern Italian: `Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate'. >> > Other mindless literalists might even go so far as to translate >> > "Lasciate ogni speranza..." as "Abandon each hope...", And they would be correct, since `ogni' literally means `each', but `all' is a pretty decent translation nonetheless. >> > but, as >> > a comment without a literary reference except such as might be >> > assumedin the mind of the reader, "Abandon Hope..." is not too >> > bad. >> >> The translation I remember seeing is "All hope abandon, ye who >> enter here." IMHO it's got nicer rhythm that way. > > And I seem to remember "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here". ...which conveys the same meaning, more or less, but the `all', as I'm sure you realise, would then, somewhat unfaithfully, determine `voi' instead of `speranza'. b. -- `It was the Denver Night. All I did was die.' -- Jack Kerouac ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:00:57 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f383161.24532490@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.21.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148348 hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >In article , wrote: >>In article , >> hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >>>In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, >>>Rupert Pigott wrote: > >>>>Broadly speaking... > >>>Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & >>>punch for you! > >>ROTFLMAO. Oh, are you frisky! You didn't even test the water to >>see if it was safe. You jumped right in the middle of it. > >he who hesitates is lost :) On knowing where you are: "I know where I am! I am in the middle of trouble!" Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:20:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1060658456 24.71.223.147 (Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:56 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148439 On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:52:46 +0200 in alt.folklore.computers, Giles Todd wrote: >On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT, Brian Inglis > wrote: > >> Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from >> than ever before > >Is this meant to be a recommendation? You can learn equally valuable lessons from both good and bad source code -- e.g. K&P's Elements of Programming Style. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### Message-ID: <3F38A1AD.9D548679@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <3f383161.24532490@news.ocis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1060669028 12.241.15.59 (Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:17:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:17:08 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:17:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148425 Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > > >In article , wrote: > >>In article , > >> hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > >>>In article <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong>, > >>>Rupert Pigott wrote: > > > >>>>Broadly speaking... > > > >>>Hey, if you keep talking about our denmother like that, no cookies & > >>>punch for you! > > > >>ROTFLMAO. Oh, are you frisky! You didn't even test the water to > >>see if it was safe. You jumped right in the middle of it. > > > >he who hesitates is lost :) > > On knowing where you are: > "I know where I am! I am in the middle of trouble!" > Indian guide: "We *not* lost. We here. Trail lost." -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:59:48 -0600 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1fzkuby.1oystor1g0qzejN%lars@bearnip.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gw01-csv-co-33-46.rasserver.net (207.221.36.46) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1060711192 33015060 207.221.36.46 (16 [14293]) X-Orig-Path: lars User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b1 (Mac OS X version 10.2.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!gw01-csv-co-33-46.rasserver.NET!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148437 wrote: > In article , > Brian Inglis wrote: > >On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:52:46 +0200 in alt.folklore.computers, > >Giles Todd wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT, Brian Inglis > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from > >>> than ever before > >> > >>Is this meant to be a recommendation? > > > >You can learn equally valuable lessons from both good and bad > >source code -- e.g. K&P's Elements of Programming Style. > > It sounds like the key to writing robust C code is to learn what > not to do. Yeah, but only as long as the bad code is marked as such. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fzkuby.1oystor1g0qzejN%lars@bearnip.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:13:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1060762422 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:13:42 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:13:42 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148503 On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:59:48 -0600 in alt.folklore.computers, lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) wrote: > wrote: > >> In article , >> Brian Inglis wrote: >> >On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:52:46 +0200 in alt.folklore.computers, >> >Giles Todd wrote: >> > >> >>On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT, Brian Inglis >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from >> >>> than ever before >> >> >> >>Is this meant to be a recommendation? >> > >> >You can learn equally valuable lessons from both good and bad >> >source code -- e.g. K&P's Elements of Programming Style. >> >> It sounds like the key to writing robust C code is to learn what >> not to do. > >Yeah, but only as long as the bad code is marked as such. It is -- it doesn't look like good C code should! ;^> Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060790079 50696 146.186.61.46 (13 Aug 2003 15:54:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:54:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148469 In article <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk>, Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >That's all very well; however, there have been two cultures on this: >those that slashed the zero and those that slashed the Oh. Ehh. The latter probably crack their eggs on the wrong end, too . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <3F3014AE.A02844DE@d2dc.net> <3F3029BE.A245E1DC@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060790619 50696 146.186.61.46 (13 Aug 2003 16:03:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:03:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148467 In article <3F3029BE.A245E1DC@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: >Jeff Teunissen wrote: > >> I *believe* that the above notice seems to be regarding two-digit years. > >Correct. The box in question was a reader controller which interpreted >70-99 as 1970-1999 and 00-69 as 2000-2069, after which one constant >could be changed. Ahh, but someone was issued a patent for that a couple of years ago, and was running around demanding royalties . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1073.352T2207T11965216@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060790786 50696 146.186.61.46 (13 Aug 2003 16:06:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148464 In article <1073.352T2207T11965216@kltpzyxm.invalid>, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >In article >g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC), Joe Morris >> wrote: >>> >>> The quotation is "Abandon *all* hope, ye who enter here." >>> (translated from Dante's original Italian "Lasciate ogni >>> speranza, voi ch'entrate") >>> >>Other mindless literalists might even go so far as to translate >>"Lasciate ogni speranza..." as "Abandon each hope...", but, as a >>comment without a literary reference except such as might be assumed >>in the mind of the reader, "Abandon Hope..." is not too bad. >The translation I remember seeing is "All hope abandon, ye who >enter here." IMHO it's got nicer rhythm that way. I spent years hunting for a reasonably priced Dante in used book stores. I didn't pass o'er the sec'd sheet as the language stilted made me weep. No point in reading *that* from a translater who deliberately uesed odd and archaic forms . . . he missed the entire historic significance! hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:46:31 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Message-ID: <20030813194631.1542737a.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <20030808191354.54601be5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net> <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net> <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2003 17:55:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p0672.nas1-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1060797337 willi.euronet.nl 45390 62.234.210.164:2086 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148482 On Tue, 12 Aug 03 10:54:27 GMT jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> In article <20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >On Sun, 10 Aug 03 10:38:15 GMT JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> > JC> >JC> In article <20030809183353.2292be8a.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 13:25:12 GMT JC> >JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> >JC> > JC> >JC> >JC> In article <20030809154641.125b9ec5.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> >JC> >JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> >JC> >JC> >On Sat, 09 Aug 03 11:34:59 GMT JC> >JC> >JC> >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> >JC> [emoticon noting that we're talking about two completely JC> >different JC> > JC> > Only two ? JC> JC> Weeeellll....probably not. Tight end and forward pass JC> now has whole new meanings for me :-). They never had meanings for me - I can imagine a few :) JC> > Hmm, you have some kind of sport in mind then ? JC> JC> yep. Football, US-style. In New England, if you're an ex-pat JC> you used to run around a field chasing a pigskin filled with air. All is clear. In soccer my normal position is right back ... at home. JC> Thank you. :-) I'd never get it. I'm assuming Gong was a band JC> and not a TV show. Was and still is, they celebrated 25 years a couple of years ago. JC> > This odd coincidence was noted well before the release ... by the JC> >designer of the logo! JC> JC> If I make a certain outlandish assumption, the acid etched it JC> on the brain. Yep. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:29:43 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1fzocfs.qugggdbcedfrN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1060878583 9836 166.84.199.79 (14 Aug 2003 16:29:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:29:43 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148536 Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > In article <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk>, > Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > > >That's all very well; however, there have been two cultures on this: > >those that slashed the zero and those that slashed the Oh. > > Ehh. The latter probably crack their eggs on the wrong end, too . . . > > hawk You trying to start a war over this? -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> <1fzocfs.qugggdbcedfrN%proto@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1060884824 30258 146.186.61.46 (14 Aug 2003 18:13:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:13:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148551 In article <1fzocfs.qugggdbcedfrN%proto@panix.com>, Walter Bushell wrote: >Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: >> In article <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk>, >> Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >> >That's all very well; however, there have been two cultures on this: >> >those that slashed the zero and those that slashed the Oh. >> >> Ehh. The latter probably crack their eggs on the wrong end, too . . . >You trying to start a war over this? Nah, that could get gigantic . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: Lon Stowell Reply-To: lon.stowell@comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> <1fzocfs.qugggdbcedfrN%proto@panix.com> In-Reply-To: <1fzocfs.qugggdbcedfrN%proto@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.240.77.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1060891489 12.240.77.188 (Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:04:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:04:49 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:04:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148556 Approximately 8/14/03 09:29, Walter Bushell uttered for posterity: > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > >> In article <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk>, >> Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >> >> >That's all very well; however, there have been two cultures on this: >> >those that slashed the zero and those that slashed the Oh. >> >> Ehh. The latter probably crack their eggs on the wrong end, too . . . >> >> hawk > > You trying to start a war over this? Does it take much more than that these days? ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:13:29 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1fzravg.gnoiyjlhesusN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <7980590c.0307210235.2df17996@posting.google.com> <3F298E94.573E02C1@ev1.net> <3f2a6c2d$0$159$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com> <3F2AC818.7295596C@ev1.net> <1059937004snz@dsl.co.uk> <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk> <1fzocfs.qugggdbcedfrN%proto@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1061046808 11970 166.84.199.79 (16 Aug 2003 15:13:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:13:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148742 Lon Stowell wrote: > Approximately 8/14/03 09:29, Walter Bushell uttered for posterity: > > > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > > >> In article <1060117411snz@dsl.co.uk>, > >> Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > >> > >> >That's all very well; however, there have been two cultures on this: > >> >those that slashed the zero and those that slashed the Oh. > >> > >> Ehh. The latter probably crack their eggs on the wrong end, too . . . > >> > >> hawk > > > > You trying to start a war over this? > > Does it take much more than that these days? Open your eggs at the convient end, said Walter Swiftly. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### Message-ID: <3F3EDDC4.9050805@beagle-ears.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:43:32 -0700 From: Lars Poulsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en, da MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers To: Ingvar Mattsson Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <87ptjcgsoy.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.154.106.6 X-Trace: azure.impulse.net 1061084613 190 207.154.106.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!sienna.impulse.net!azure.impulse.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:148665 Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > Almost as bizarre as reading the subtitling of the Swedish children's > song in /Minority Report/ (no, there *is* no subtitles, it was all in > my mind). No wonder I thought the subtitling was eerily accurate. I had the subtitles on when I watched M.R. on DVD a few weeks ago. The (US-English) subtitles identified the nurse as "speaking russian". And none of it was translated in the subtitles. -- / Lars Poulsen +1-805-569-5277 http://www.beagle-ears.com/lars/ 125 South Ontare Rd, Santa Barbara, CA 93105 USA lars@beagle-ears.com ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:12:18 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xfz1CYws5ZDcnzcQi4MzYABXkD0= References: <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fzkuby.1oystor1g0qzejN%lars@bearnip.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2003 00:12:26 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1061417546 news.xs4all.nl 49098 80.127.198.243:3531 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!skynet.be!skynet.be!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149214 On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:59:48 -0600, lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) wrote: > wrote: > > > In article , > > Brian Inglis wrote: > > >On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:52:46 +0200 in alt.folklore.computers, > > >Giles Todd wrote: > > > > > >>On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:57:22 GMT, Brian Inglis > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Come on -- we've got more source code available to learn from > > >>> than ever before > > >> > > >>Is this meant to be a recommendation? > > > > > >You can learn equally valuable lessons from both good and bad > > >source code -- e.g. K&P's Elements of Programming Style. > > > > It sounds like the key to writing robust C code is to learn what > > not to do. > > Yeah, but only as long as the bad code is marked as such. Therein lies the rub. Giles. ###### From: Roger Johnstone Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Lines: 46 Message-ID: <20030821230251662+1200@news.inv.ihug.co.nz> References: <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1fyxa4x.13egdnw9jo936N%lars@bearnip.com> <1fzkuby.1oystor1g0qzejN%lars@bearnip.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37-max1.inv.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1061463773 13721 203.173.222.165 (21 Aug 2003 11:02:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Halime (MacOSX)/1.0rc2b Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149137 In Giles Todd wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:59:48 -0600, lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening) > wrote: >> wrote: >> >> > In article , >> > Brian Inglis wrote: >> > > >> > >You can learn equally valuable lessons from both good and bad >> > >source code -- e.g. K&P's Elements of Programming Style. >> > >> > It sounds like the key to writing robust C code is to learn what >> > not to do. >> >> Yeah, but only as long as the bad code is marked as such. > > Therein lies the rub. > > Giles. Amazingly, getting back on topic again! I recently bought a copy of the Apple IIc Technical Reference Manual. It includes the source listings for the ROM, minus the BASIC since that belonged to Microsoft. The list of authors starts with S. Wozniak 1977. Unfortunately the original Apple II ROM was designed for code size and efficiency, not for maintainability. As a result there were official entry points all over the ROM that couldn't be moved, plus some programmers had used unofficial entry points that had to be preserved or a lot of programs would break. Among the comments for the IIc version of the ROM is this one: ************************************************** * the following two bytes must be $90 and $4B in locations $C411 and * and $C412 respectively. the bcc ($90) is never taken by the * slinky code and the $4B is used to duplicate the mouse entry * point as found in slot 7. this 'fix' enables some programs * to still work correctly. (tim, you owe me a beer for this one!) ************************************************** -- Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand PS/2 Mouse Adapter for vintage Apple II or Mac order at http://vintageware.orcon.net.nz ###### From: "Robert Billing" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:23:07 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061468584 21202 158.152.132.30 (21 Aug 2003 12:23:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:23:04 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Pan/0.13.3 (That cat's something I can't explain) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149196 On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:39 +0200, Morten Reistad wrote: > That's the place where Norway and England actually has a land border, > isn't it? I'm not sure if this is true or an UL. It's possible that the border is in fact on the ICP, a bit further down the pipeline to Scotland. OTOH I did once hear that the block border ran through the QP bridge, and hence technically half the complex was in England and half in Norway. > In subtitled cinemas the laughter usually comes in two waves, first > from the ones that got the audio; and then from those that read the > translation. I once watched MASH with Norwegian subtitles on NRK on the same rig. Not only were the subtitles lagging by about 3 seconds, but they weren't exact translations of the jokes on the soundtrack, which left me laughing twice at two different jokes. ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1061481562 46900 146.186.61.46 (21 Aug 2003 15:59:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:59:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!quark.scn.rain.com!chilly.oregonvos.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149087 In article , Robert Billing wrote: >On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:39 +0200, Morten Reistad wrote: >> That's the place where Norway and England actually has a land border, >> isn't it? >I'm not sure if this is true or an UL. It's possible that the border is in >fact on the ICP, a bit further down the pipeline to Scotland. OTOH I did >once hear that the block border ran through the QP bridge, and hence >technically half the complex was in England and half in Norway. Err, could someone explain this to the rest of us? hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: Morten Reistad Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:05:56 +0200 Organization: EUnet Norway Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4of3ib.lu2.ln@acer> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.71.197.12 X-Trace: services.kq.no 1061540161 21367 193.71.197.12 (22 Aug 2003 08:16:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eunet.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:16:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: mrr@acer.reistad.priv.no (Morten Reistad) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.eunet.no!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149191 In article , Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: >In article , >Robert Billing wrote: >>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:39 +0200, Morten Reistad wrote: > >>> That's the place where Norway and England actually has a land border, >>> isn't it? > >>I'm not sure if this is true or an UL. It's possible that the border is in >>fact on the ICP, a bit further down the pipeline to Scotland. OTOH I did >>once hear that the block border ran through the QP bridge, and hence >>technically half the complex was in England and half in Norway. > >Err, could someone explain this to the rest of us? If you look at a standard map of the North Sea you will see a rather large sea with nothing much on it but blue water, and Norway in one end, Britain in another, continental Europe in another and the open Atlantic in the last end. Norway and England are separated by around 600 km of water on this map; and rather inhospitable water too. This was a correct description of the sea until 1962. Then someone struck oil. Fortunatly the sea borders had been settled a few years before; using the middle ground as border. Now the sea is so littered with platforms and pipelines that regattas have problems negotiating them at times; and some have included platforms as rounding posts. Weather reports have new sections, and Ekofisk, Frigg, Oseberg, Troll, Brage, Forties and all the rest have become familar places to a majority of the costal population. The major oil fields start just into the Danish sector, and follow pretty close to the British-Norwegian (sea) border out into the deep sea. ISTR that one platform complex (I vaguely remember it as Frigg, but this could be wrong) actually straddles the border, and thus makes a land border between the two countries. Makes little operational difference; but it is still a possible UL that needs verification. The Troll A platform is the tallest free-standing structure in the world at over 600 meters. -- mrr ###### From: "Robert Billing" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:05:07 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061539507 1108 158.152.132.30 (22 Aug 2003 08:05:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:05:07 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Pan/0.13.3 (That cat's something I can't explain) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149195 On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:59:22 +0000, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: >>I'm not sure if this is true or an UL. It's possible that the border is in >>fact on the ICP, a bit further down the pipeline to Scotland. OTOH I did >>once hear that the block border ran through the QP bridge, and hence >>technically half the complex was in England and half in Norway. > Err, could someone explain this to the rest of us? The Frigg complex is three structures, QP (Quarters platform, accommodation, catering, control room, admin and so on), and two "chemical factories" that process the gas, TCP1 and TP2 IIRC. The structures are connected by bridges, and in summer a "flotel" is brought up and docked to provide extra living space for workers doing maintenance. The gas produced on Frigg goes via a pipeline to Scotland. Part way along there is a "pumping station" which I though was called ICP (Intermediate Compression Platform) but I have a suspicion that should in fact be MCP. It's been a long time and these old eyes have seen too much. Frigg is administered as if it were part of Norway, but at some point the gas ends up in Scotland. The suggestion is - and this could be true - that the border between the UK and Norwegian "blocks", ownership of the sea bed by treaty, runs through the middle of the QP to TCP1 bridge. Hence that half way across the bridge there is a land border between the UK and Norway. ###### From: "PeteK" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.unisys Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3F169EBD.92BC72C0@airmail.net> <1fyahb6.14sg0or1mo5xa8N%proto@panix.com> <3F1867F1.BBC56DA8@ev1.net> <3F185C65.4058007E@cisco.com> <3F1B5FFB.DA8F5A33@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-128-7-247.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1061557039 27 81.128.7.247 (22 Aug 2003 12:57:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:57:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!carbon.eu.sun.com!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149116 If anyone is feeling inspired by the above, can you please ensure that your houmourous code works ? I remember trying to debug a piece of code written by a colleague that contained a wealth of funny bits - at least they were funny at the first reading, after that the grin became a snarl. Pete K Yes, the snarl is still there... ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:08:23 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1g038d2.gxborl142ooqoN%proto@panix.com> References: <3F23A15F.DC343D51@ev1.net> <3F245F01.6FA20A4C@ev1.net> <3f25dbc8$0$28908$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl> <3F26135A.6DCFE23E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <4of3ib.lu2.ln@acer> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1061564903 16429 166.84.199.79 (22 Aug 2003 15:08:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:08:23 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149156 Morten Reistad wrote: > The major oil fields start just into the Danish sector, and follow pretty > close to the British-Norwegian (sea) border out into the deep sea. > ISTR that one platform complex (I vaguely remember it as Frigg, but this > could be wrong) actually straddles the border, and thus makes a land border > between the two countries. Perhaps this is the orgin of the vert "to frigg". Or maybe the platform acquired the name from the verb. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:20:03 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3f4674ec.10192073@news.ocis.net> Reply-To: genew@mail.ocis.net References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149041 "Robert Billing" wrote: [snip] >Frigg is administered as if it were part of Norway, but at some point the >gas ends up in Scotland. The suggestion is - and this could be true - that >the border between the UK and Norwegian "blocks", ownership of the sea bed >by treaty, runs through the middle of the QP to TCP1 bridge. Hence that >half way across the bridge there is a land border between the UK and >Norway. A land border without land? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: Manuel Viet Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 25 Aug 2003 21:42:12 GMT Organization: BSD canal hysterique Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> Reply-To: manuel@m-viet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: aph-aug-103-1-4-247.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news-reader5.wanadoo.fr 1061847732 26229 80.11.245.247 (25 Aug 2003 21:42:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2003 21:42:12 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.3 (OpenBSD) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149365 Le Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC), Brian {Hamilton Kelly} écrivait: > > (I've often wondered why it is that the French still use GMT+1h when this > alien time zone was only imposed upon them in May 1940. If God had > intended the French, or the British, to observe CET, then He would have > placed us at the longitude of Warsaw, where such time is appropriate.) It's because we've got no petrol but ideas (moto of a famous french governemental advertising campaign dating back to the seventies, aiming at inducing an anti-waste reflex among the population). GMT+1 has been seen as a convenient way to save electricity at the end of days. Nowdays, a large number of hobbyists campaign against this shift of an hour, and the present governement tried to go back to sun time, but it appears we're bound to CET by the european treaty. English may have signed with restrictions on that point on entrance in the EU, I'm not sure of it but I see no other reasons for them to act differently. -- Manuel * mailto:manuel@m-viet.net ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1061909602 53718 146.186.61.46 (26 Aug 2003 14:53:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149437 In article , Justin R. Bendich wrote: >> Nowdays, a large number of hobbyists campaign against this shift of an >> hour, and the present governement tried to go back to sun time, but it >> appears we're bound to CET by the european treaty. English may have signed >> with restrictions on that point on entrance in the EU, I'm not sure of it >> but I see no other reasons for them to act differently. >If you find yourselves wallowing in self-pity, just think of España. >At least Portugal had the good sense to reject the EU in this case... Wait a minute. I knew that a lot of the EU was just plain silly, but it mandates a single time across countries???? hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:05:13 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:mazLUlPyMXacyAbOvPFTpK1PJEc= References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2003 00:05:48 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1061935548 news.xs4all.nl 49099 80.127.198.243:3265 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149485 On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > Wait a minute. I knew that a lot of the EU was just plain silly, but it > mandates a single time across countries???? If it has then its mandate wasn't very successful. Three out of the current fifteen countries use a different time zone from the other twelve. What the EU did do in 1996 was standardize the dates on which all member countries switch from summer time to winter time, and vice versa. I expect that the latter has been confounded with the former in the minds of the europhobes. I can't find anything about mandatory time zones on the EU's web site (http://europa.eu.int/). Giles. ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 54 Message-ID: <1061882125snz@dsl.co.uk> References: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1061936519 23780 10.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 22:21:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19rmCK-0006BP-00 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:57 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 53 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.space.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149484 In article manuel@m-viet.net "Manuel Viet" writes: > Le Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC), Brian {Hamilton Kelly} écrivait: > > > > (I've often wondered why it is that the French still use GMT+1h when this > > alien time zone was only imposed upon them in May 1940. If God had > > intended the French, or the British, to observe CET, then He would have > > placed us at the longitude of Warsaw, where such time is appropriate.) > > It's because we've got no petrol but ideas (moto of a famous french > governemental advertising campaign dating back to the seventies, aiming > at inducing an anti-waste reflex among the population). GMT+1 has been > seen as a convenient way to save electricity at the end of days. So you all have breakfast by artificial light, and drive to work in the dark, instead. We tried the experiment in the UK (ca.1968--70, IIRC) when British Standard Time was imposed year-round --- we just didn't put the clocks back in the October of the year when it started. Whilst some people, especially in The Great Wen, appreciated the extra hour of daylight in the afternoons, it really did little to improve (as was claimed) the road safety for children going to school, with drivers on the road who hadn't yet awoken properly. As for those in the far west (and especially north-west) of the country, it didn't get anywhere approaching "light" until about 10am. > Nowdays, a large number of hobbyists campaign against this shift of an > hour, and the present governement tried to go back to sun time, but it > appears we're bound to CET by the european treaty. English may have signed > with restrictions on that point on entrance in the EU, I'm not sure of it > but I see no other reasons for them to act differently. Pretty sure that it's _nothing_ to do with the European Treaty. The UK and Republic of Ireland both use GMT; as does Portugal. Whilst Greece (and Finland?) use GMT+2h. There are a few more countries in that time zone joining next January. Some stupid British politicians (who are the one section of the population who NEVER seem to take lessons from history) have campaigned that we should revert to that failed experiment of BST, on the grounds that it would harmonize time zones across the EU. They _say_ that this would improve commerce: however, I don't see any clamouring for this change from Business itself. Besides, the USA seem to manage to get their heads around the concept of having four time zones across the Lower 48. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 26 Aug 03 19:50:32 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-923.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149512 In article g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: >On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu >(Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > >> Wait a minute. I knew that a lot of the EU was just plain silly, >> but it mandates a single time across countries???? > >If it has then its mandate wasn't very successful. Three out of the >current fifteen countries use a different time zone from the other >twelve. What the EU did do in 1996 was standardize the dates on which >all member countries switch from summer time to winter time, and vice >versa. > >I expect that the latter has been confounded with the former in the >minds of the europhobes. I can't find anything about mandatory time >zones on the EU's web site (http://europa.eu.int/). That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, since our one country spans six time zones. Unless you get us started on the staggered poll closings in federal elections... -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 27 Aug 03 10:04:36 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbGBDQ68zDbsjdttkkM+SwfhXQGXVFFMDpIpw5xuIEyRUBiPr75/0Tx X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2003 11:11:08 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-197 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149500 In article <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article >g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: > >>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu >>(Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >> >>> Wait a minute. I knew that a lot of the EU was just plain silly, >>> but it mandates a single time across countries???? >> >>If it has then its mandate wasn't very successful. Three out of the >>current fifteen countries use a different time zone from the other >>twelve. What the EU did do in 1996 was standardize the dates on which >>all member countries switch from summer time to winter time, and vice >>versa. >> >>I expect that the latter has been confounded with the former in the >>minds of the europhobes. I can't find anything about mandatory time >>zones on the EU's web site (http://europa.eu.int/). > >That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries >that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, >since our one country spans six time zones. Unless you get us >started on the staggered poll closings in federal elections... They haven't got to that point yet. EU policies appear to be as braindead as US policies. Any system that forces their populations to have jet lag twice a year is brain dead. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1061938747snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1061965291 25189 10.0.0.1 (27 Aug 2003 06:21:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:21:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from dsl.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.150]) by news.demon.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19rtgQ-0006Y8-00 for mail2news@news.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:21:30 +0000 X-Path: dsl.co.uk!bhk X-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk X-Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 X-Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!zen.net.uk!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!bhk Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149527 In article g@todd.nu "Giles Todd" writes: > If it has then its mandate wasn't very successful. Three out of the > current fifteen countries use a different time zone from the other > twelve. Ahem! FIVE out of the fifteen use time zoneS different to that adopted by the other TEN. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would. Yet we are untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them". George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919 ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1062000910 46994 146.186.61.46 (27 Aug 2003 16:15:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149536 In article <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid>, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >In article >g@prullenbak.todd.nu (Giles Todd) writes: >>If it has then its mandate wasn't very successful. Three out of the >>current fifteen countries use a different time zone from the other >>twelve. What the EU did do in 1996 was standardize the dates on which >>all member countries switch from summer time to winter time, and vice >>versa. >That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries >that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, >since our one country spans six time zones. Pikers. The U.S. spans 7 with just the states; I'm not sure whether the territories & protectorates stretch it farther. (Of course, 48 of the 50 fall into just four zones, but . . .) And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? >Unless you get us >started on the staggered poll closings in federal elections... We're getting noise about that here, too. Florida never would have been close enough for that ugly mess if the networks hadn't botched that early call by forgetting about the panhandle in another time zone! (when the "major" election is called or conceded, supporters of the "winner" are far more likely to sdsdhow up and vote in the remaining time). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 28 Aug 03 08:57:33 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ16zSVr3ZJhX0Sg1aTV1RneFW1mGH0vjFCUIjyR/mujTQoWCxryIPq X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2003 10:04:14 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-177 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149583 In article , "Robert Billing" wrote: >Among the debris we found a fragment on which jmfbahci had scratched: > >> EU policies appear to be as braindead as US policies. Any system >> that forces their populations to have jet lag twice a year is >> brain dead. > >Wouldn't be so bad if you got duty-frees at the same time, but you don't. Not in my book. I hate jet-lag. Everything gets skewed. With this DST (daylight savings time) insanity, as soon as I acclimate to one setting, it's time to change again. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Robert Billing" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:01:30 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1062057690 5868 158.152.132.30 (28 Aug 2003 08:01:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:01:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Pan/0.13.3 (That cat's something I can't explain) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149632 Among the debris we found a fragment on which jmfbahci had scratched: > EU policies appear to be as braindead as US policies. Any system > that forces their populations to have jet lag twice a year is > brain dead. Wouldn't be so bad if you got duty-frees at the same time, but you don't. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### Message-ID: <3F4E561E.51D29C16@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F264FD5.44DE7C94@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1059572837.642523@saucer.planet.gong> <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> <1g0bqrj.c97ze51hmtyxuN%proto@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1062091489 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:24:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:24:49 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:24:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149636 Walter Bushell wrote: > > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries > > that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, > > since our one country spans six time zones. Unless you get us > > started on the staggered poll closings in federal elections... > > > > That's funny so does the US. More if you include Iraq (aka East Texas). > Hey!!! More corectly that is "Middle East Texas"... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:47:48 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:aA0zJAdlC4XY6Rk74/tOJuE5GpM= References: <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> <1g0bqrj.c97ze51hmtyxuN%proto@panix.com> <3F4E561E.51D29C16@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2003 06:47:53 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1062305273 news.xs4all.nl 49102 80.127.198.243:1341 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149929 On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:24:49 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: > Walter Bushell wrote: > > > > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > > > That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries > > > that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, > > > since our one country spans six time zones. Unless you get us > > > started on the staggered poll closings in federal elections... > > > > That's funny so does the US. More if you include Iraq (aka East Texas). > > > Hey!!! More corectly that is "Middle East Texas"... Shh! The Chinese aren't supposed to know that yet. Giles. ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:52:20 +0200 Reply-To: g@todd.nu Message-ID: Cancel-Lock: sha1:wq0j63lt+UGyT7BWhbW53n/cir4= References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1061938747snz@dsl.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.1-b1 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2003 06:52:35 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.127.198.243 X-Trace: 1062305555 news.xs4all.nl 49115 80.127.198.243:1346 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:149908 On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:21:31 +0000 (UTC), bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) wrote: > In article > g@todd.nu "Giles Todd" writes: > > > If it has then its mandate wasn't very successful. Three out of the > > current fifteen countries use a different time zone from the other > > twelve. > > Ahem! FIVE out of the fifteen use time zoneS different to that adopted > by the other TEN. And out of those fifteen, three use a different time zone from the other twelve. Furrfu. Giles. -- OK, OK, I didn't do all my homework. Please stop hitting me. ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:51:48 -0500 From: Alexandre Peshansky Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:58:24 -0400 Organization: Rockefeller University Hospital (GCRC), New York Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.85.24.23 X-Trace: sv3-QIui/8uPDX5S5fv82n9Yxj8lTMFWKs+G9dJRaLiLeQ8c8PbLNvMJBO4zrIQy0Gyfv32w95WfSPbkOeD!qleiue/Y/v1yojAvuwNXPKkxjNzMsscDZ88spoUPnoTAgBPJG1lgd0roY4iLqTtKY5BPwOTClhu3!snomnvuSeGZ6PY/1ppYt X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.rockefeller.edu X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@news.rockefeller.edu X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.news.rockefeller.edu!news.news.rockefeller.edu.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150353 On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >In article <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid>, >Charlie Gibbs wrote: [ ... ] >>That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries >>that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, >>since our one country spans six time zones. > >Pikers. The U.S. spans 7 with just the states; I'm not sure whether the >territories & protectorates stretch it farther. (Of course, 48 of the >50 fall into just four zones, but . . .) > >And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? It's U.S.S.R. and 12: "You are listening to Radio Moscow. Moscow time 12 noon. ... Midnight in Vladivostok" (IIRC - it was over 12 years ago ;-) -- [ When replying, remove *'s from address ] Alexandre Peshansky, Systems Manager, RUH, NY (note last name spelling change) ###### NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:47:52 -0500 From: "Jack Peacock" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:47:51 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.57.2.36 X-Trace: sv3-2TrTSJ94YVpFDPNdZ2k8LTB5yTBfd3APt64M7hP9TGiOLEXVoz6N/AXVkuppWTe559fqpiQRfOlmr7a!M9PnlPvAn7e/RN5BSXaneOakDISbs3w20rl2q5jTaDMupVYyZ93QkslkkPNK8ps/96r492BRg6sx!5w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@mpowercom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.mpowercom.net!news.mpowercom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150324 "Alexandre Peshansky" wrote in message news:eekelv0ejjoem314d26qdfbcm6vlhr4oec@4ax.com... > >And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? > > It's U.S.S.R. and 12: "You are listening to Radio Moscow. Moscow time 12 noon. > ... Midnight in Vladivostok" (IIRC - it was over 12 years ago ;-) > There are no time zones to the west of Moscow in the Russian Federation? It's still 12? Weren't the Baltics or Moldova in a time zone to the west, making it more than 12 for the USSR? As for the US, what are the endpoints for US territory? Northern Marianas to Puerto Rico? That has to be more than 12. For that matter, The UK must span 20 or more if you throw in Diego Garcia. The French Antarctic Territories must span half the times zones by themselves. Jack Peacock ###### Message-ID: <3F577CD3.C3CA5D3D@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1062691228 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:00:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:00:28 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:00:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150349 Alexandre Peshansky wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard > E. Hawkins) wrote: > > >In article <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid>, > >Charlie Gibbs wrote: > [ ... ] > >>That does make a lot more sense. Besides, any time zone worries > >>that Europe may have won't get much sympathy from us Canadians, > >>since our one country spans six time zones. > > > >Pikers. The U.S. spans 7 with just the states; I'm not sure whether the > >territories & protectorates stretch it farther. (Of course, 48 of the > >50 fall into just four zones, but . . .) > > > >And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? > > It's U.S.S.R. and 12: "You are listening to Radio Moscow. Moscow time 12 noon. > ... Midnight in Vladivostok" (IIRC - it was over 12 years ago ;-) > That does *not* sound right. When it is noon in Greenwich, England, it is midnight at the International Date Line. I believe that Moscow and Vladivostok are *both* between England and the date line... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: slytherin.ds.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1062692817 37750 146.186.61.46 (4 Sep 2003 16:26:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:26:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150288 In article , Alexandre Peshansky wrote: >On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard >E. Hawkins) wrote: >>Pikers. The U.S. spans 7 with just the states; I'm not sure whether the >>territories & protectorates stretch it farther. (Of course, 48 of the >>50 fall into just four zones, but . . .) >>And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? >It's U.S.S.R. Originally. Then came the "Union of Fewer and Fewer Republics" :) Then they ran out . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### Message-ID: <3F57B609.3A26A97@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1062705873 12.241.15.59 (Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:04:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:04:33 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:04:33 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150447 Jack Peacock wrote: > > "Alexandre Peshansky" wrote in message > news:eekelv0ejjoem314d26qdfbcm6vlhr4oec@4ax.com... > > > >And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? > > > > It's U.S.S.R. and 12: "You are listening to Radio Moscow. Moscow time 12 > noon. > > ... Midnight in Vladivostok" (IIRC - it was over 12 years ago ;-) > > > There are no time zones to the west of Moscow in the Russian Federation? > It's still 12? Weren't the Baltics or Moldova in a time zone to the west, > making it more than 12 for the USSR? > > As for the US, what are the endpoints for US territory? Northern Marianas > to Puerto Rico? That has to be more than 12. For that matter, The UK must > span 20 or more if you throw in Diego Garcia. The French Antarctic > Territories must span half the times zones by themselves. > The Aluetian Islands go damn near to Japan. The International Date Line has to make a mighty crook to keep the Aleutians on the east side of it. Technically, the Aleutians are part of Alaska. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: proto@panix.com (Walter Bushell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:01:11 -0400 Organization: Adamentine Wrecking Co. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1g0rvkq.fmp9rfoes8l7N%proto@panix.com> References: <3F2819F4.64BC8AFF@ev1.net> <3F298643.F735DFBE@ev1.net> <1059742969.952435@saucer.planet.gong> <1059751658.940902@saucer.planet.gong> <1059838119.980300@saucer.planet.gong> <86llu36r0r.fsf@fuckup.hack.org> <87k79kieut.fsf@gruk.tech.ensign.ftech.net> <3F379A8F.4B4D26AB@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <1061684820snz@dsl.co.uk> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.dialup.access.net X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1062738077 12134 166.84.199.79 (5 Sep 2003 05:01:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:01:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.5b2 (Mac OS 8.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!proto Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150436 Jack Peacock wrote: > "Alexandre Peshansky" wrote in message > news:eekelv0ejjoem314d26qdfbcm6vlhr4oec@4ax.com... > > > >And how many did the U.F.F.R. cover before it collapsed? 12? 14? > > > > It's U.S.S.R. and 12: "You are listening to Radio Moscow. Moscow time 12 > noon. > > ... Midnight in Vladivostok" (IIRC - it was over 12 years ago ;-) > > > There are no time zones to the west of Moscow in the Russian Federation? > It's still 12? Weren't the Baltics or Moldova in a time zone to the west, > making it more than 12 for the USSR? > > As for the US, what are the endpoints for US territory? Northern Marianas > to Puerto Rico? That has to be more than 12. For that matter, The UK must > span 20 or more if you throw in Diego Garcia. The French Antarctic > Territories must span half the times zones by themselves. > Jack Peacock Look at the international date line it jags around the eastmost part of Alsaka, so Alaska is so far west that part of it is east. -- The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. --T..S. Eliot Walter ###### From: Brian Boutel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> <877k4oqttf.fsf@cain.internet2.edu> In-Reply-To: <877k4oqttf.fsf@cain.internet2.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:00:02 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.144.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tsnz.net X-Trace: news02.tsnz.net 1062799202 203.96.144.148 (Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:00:02 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:00:02 NZST Organization: TelstraClear Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news02.tsnz.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150402 stanislav shalunov wrote: > Alexandre Peshansky writes: > > >>It's U.S.S.R. and 12: "You are listening to Radio Moscow. Moscow >>time 12 noon. ... Midnight in Vladivostok" (IIRC - it was over 12 >>years ago ;-) > > > Uh, no. ``Moscow time is 15 hours, ... In Vladivostok -- midnight.'' > Followed by six beeps. ``The beginning of the sixth signal > corresponds to the hour'' or something like that. > NO, Moscow is GMT+3, Vladivostok is GMT+10, but there are places in the former USSR East of Vladivostok, up to GMT+13 in the Aleutians. --brian (in GMT+12) -- Brian Boutel Wellington New Zealand Note the NOSPAM ###### From: stanislav shalunov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: 05 Sep 2003 19:17:47 -0400 Organization: Internet2 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <871xuuomec.fsf@cain.internet2.edu> References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net> <1314.368T1619T11904568@kltpzyxm.invalid> <877k4oqttf.fsf@cain.internet2.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: basie.internet2.edu X-Trace: pith.uoregon.edu 1062804542 21985 207.75.164.22 (5 Sep 2003 23:29:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.uoregon.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.news2me.com!canoe.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150423 Brian Boutel writes: > stanislav shalunov wrote: > > Uh, no. ``Moscow time is 15 hours, ... In Vladivostok -- midnight.'' > > NO, Moscow is GMT+3, Vladivostok is GMT+10, but there are places in the > former USSR East of Vladivostok, up to GMT+13 in the Aleutians. My mistake. It's ``in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskii -- midnight'', not ``in Vladivostok''. Petrovavlovk-Kamchatskii is in the eastmost timezone of Russia. -- Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/ "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- G. B. Shaw ###### From: never+mail@panix.com.invalid (Michael Roach) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: humor in source code Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A small notepad underneath my in box Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3F26359E.2F0FA60@ev1.net><20030810170944.15161a4f.steveo@eircom.net> <1N-dnTcBnNIdRquiXTWJhQ@mpowercom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1063159237 13211 166.84.1.3 (10 Sep 2003 02:00:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:00:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Clueful-responder: echo "never-reply+panix=com" | tr "-+=" "+@." X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:150728 In article , Richard G Molpus wrote: >The story I was told when Soroc first entered the market was: > >Soroc was formed by a group of engineers from (fill-in-the-blank), a >major Computer Terminal maker. As they were sitting around the ( fill >in the blank )'s Kitchen table discussing forming the company, the >question of what to call this new venture arose. > >Since almost everyone there had a beer at hand, several looked into >the open pull-tab hole for inspiration. Suddenly, the solution hit! ( >or was it the Alcohol?). > >Call the company after this grand inspiration! - so they reversed the >name of the beer ( Coors \|/ Srooc), shifted a letter, >( Srooc \|/ Soroc), and celebrated. > >By opening more beer. > >The veracity of this is faint; but it sounds good...... The (original terminal) circuit board has this symbol silkscreened in: ooo ooo It is, of course, the top view of a six-pack. For the aforementioned disastrous follow-up product, it was the discarded plastic rings that held the six-pack together. -- "I don't think so," said Ren'e Descartes. Just then, he vanished.