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Fellow Geeks:

I enjoy interacting with an old-time dumb terminal for a lot of my *NIX 
control needs, and was considering buying one second-hand to attach to my 
gaggle of Sun Sparcs <classic 4c / 4m architectures - the "pizza boxes">. 
I also enjoy a good degree of "geek factor" when I buy such things, so I 
was looking for the following characteristics in a terminal and was hoping 
someone here could recommend one...

If something instantly comes to mind and you have a strong recommendation, 
do feel free to write me personally, and thanks in advance for taking the 
time to read this!

Primary Requirements
--------------------

o   Does smooth-scrolling, not choppy line-by-line scrolling.
o   Does 1200 baud <I like my text paced.>
o   Uses a terminal type well supported by TERMCAP <don't care 
specifically>
o   Is a two-part unit screen + keyboard <not all-in-one>.
o   RS-232 interface.
o   Is not a green color text terminal. (I could make an exception for IBM 
terminals that had awesome fonts - one came with the RS/6000's I believe)
o   US 120V/60hz power.

Secondary Requirements
----------------------

o   Block non-blinking cursor option.
o   Keylick option.
o   Has "text fade" characteristic of old time terminals where text 
blanked because of an overwrite or deletion fades away instead of 
instantly disappearing.

Thanks again!


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From: Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com>
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In alt.folklore.computers antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com wrote:
> Primary Requirements
> --------------------
> 
> o   Does smooth-scrolling, not choppy line-by-line scrolling.
> o   Does 1200 baud <I like my text paced.>
> o   Uses a terminal type well supported by TERMCAP <don't care 
> specifically>
> o   Is a two-part unit screen + keyboard <not all-in-one>.
> o   RS-232 interface.
> o   Is not a green color text terminal. (I could make an exception for IBM 
> terminals that had awesome fonts - one came with the RS/6000's I believe)
> o   US 120V/60hz power.
> 
> Secondary Requirements
> ----------------------
> 
> o   Block non-blinking cursor option.
> o   Keylick option.
> o   Has "text fade" characteristic of old time terminals where text 
> blanked because of an overwrite or deletion fades away instead of 
> instantly disappearing.
> 

VT220 sounds like the best option for you! 

pete
-- 
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From: "Paul Ryan" <pryan_st@hotmail.com>
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> VT220 sounds like the best option for you!

Or a VT510

Paul

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In article <6drhr-uv8.ln1@news.tamesis.cx>,
 <antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com> wrote:
>o   Does smooth-scrolling, not choppy line-by-line scrolling.
>o   Does 1200 baud <I like my text paced.>
>o   Uses a terminal type well supported by TERMCAP <don't care 
>specifically>
>o   Is a two-part unit screen + keyboard <not all-in-one>.
>o   RS-232 interface.
>o   Is not a green color text terminal. (I could make an exception for IBM 
>terminals that had awesome fonts - one came with the RS/6000's I believe)
>o   US 120V/60hz power.

Well, a WYSE 160 or its ilk will do all of this.  Mine can do 19.2kbps
decently, but loses data at higher speeds... but it can certainly manage
1200.

>o   Block non-blinking cursor option.
>o   Keylick option.
>o   Has "text fade" characteristic of old time terminals where text 
>blanked because of an overwrite or deletion fades away instead of 
>instantly disappearing.

It's not very slow, but slow enough to be sorta cool.

-s
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From: jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx (Jay Maynard)
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:24:40 -0400, antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com
<antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com> wrote:
>I also enjoy a good degree of "geek factor" when I buy such things, so I 
>was looking for the following characteristics in a terminal and was hoping 
>someone here could recommend one...

My VT420 does all of these except for the text fade bit. I know of no modern
terminal that does that. It also has a white screen.

######

From: genew@mail.ocis.net (Gene Wirchenko)
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antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com wrote:

>Fellow Geeks:
>
>I enjoy interacting with an old-time dumb terminal for a lot of my *NIX 
>control needs, and was considering buying one second-hand to attach to my 
>gaggle of Sun Sparcs <classic 4c / 4m architectures - the "pizza boxes">. 
>I also enjoy a good degree of "geek factor" when I buy such things, so I 
>was looking for the following characteristics in a terminal and was hoping 
>someone here could recommend one...
>
>If something instantly comes to mind and you have a strong recommendation, 
>do feel free to write me personally, and thanks in advance for taking the 
>time to read this!

     One possibility is a TeleVideo 950.  There might be some letters
after the "950".

>Primary Requirements
>--------------------
>
>o   Does smooth-scrolling, not choppy line-by-line scrolling.

     This can be set.

>o   Does 1200 baud <I like my text paced.>

     This can be set.

>o   Uses a terminal type well supported by TERMCAP <don't care 
>specifically>

     I am not sure, but probably.

>o   Is a two-part unit screen + keyboard <not all-in-one>.

     Yes.

>o   RS-232 interface.

     Yes.

>o   Is not a green color text terminal. (I could make an exception for IBM 
>terminals that had awesome fonts - one came with the RS/6000's I believe)

     Some were, and some were not.  Get the latter <G>.

>o   US 120V/60hz power.

     Yes.

>Secondary Requirements
>----------------------
>
>o   Block non-blinking cursor option.

     This can be set.

>o   Keylick option.

     <slurp!>  Keyclick?  I can not remember for sure, but I think so.

>o   Has "text fade" characteristic of old time terminals where text 
>blanked because of an overwrite or deletion fades away instead of 
>instantly disappearing.

     I am not sure.

>Thanks again!

     Sure.

[snipped long sig]

     Please trim your sig, sir.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
     I have preferences.
     You have biases.
     He/She has prejudices.

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antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com wrote:
> 
> If something instantly comes to mind and you have a strong recommendation,
> do feel free to write me personally, and thanks in advance for taking the
> time to read this!
> 
> Primary Requirements

Sounds like the spec sheet for the VT-220.

######

From: "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net>
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<antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com> wrote:
> o   Does smooth-scrolling, not choppy line-by-line scrolling.

Why not use software that doesn't make it scroll at all, but that
repaints the screen starting from the top?

Smooth-scrolling, at least on DEC terminals, is incompatible with
being able to use ^S and ^Q in emacs.  Besides, the letters all leave
trails, especially if the screen has the "text fade" (slow phosophor)
that you also desire.

A few hours of smooth scrolling gives me the strong illusion that the
text is standing still, and the building is sinking.  I have to go
stare out a window while firmly holding a windowsill for a while to
regain my composure.

> o   Does 1200 baud <I like my text paced.

The VT420 goes down to 300.  The VT100 goes down to 50.  Now *that's*
"paced".  Perfect for an April Fool's day mod to someone's terminal.
Press return to get the login: prompt, and come back after lunch, by
which time it will have finished with the colon, and be working on the
single space after it.

> o   Has "text fade" characteristic of old time terminals where text
> blanked because of an overwrite or deletion fades away instead of
> instantly disappearing.

There was a Tektronics terminal with semi-permanent text.  To erase
anything, you had to erase the whole screen, which took a couple
seconds, and involved a bright green flash.
-- 
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From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
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>> o   Has "text fade" characteristic of old time terminals where text
>> blanked because of an overwrite or deletion fades away instead of
>> instantly disappearing.

High presistence phosphor is a characteristic of the picture tube.
That was originally done to cover up for for S L O W refresh rates.
It's cute at times, but I found it annoying when I needed to
read the new text right away.

I used several O L D terminals with high persistence phosphor
- a Hazeltine relabelled for Basic-4.
  In a darkened room, I could still read the screen for almost 1/2 minute
  after a clear screen command, or scrolling off entirely!
- an AT&T/Teletype BLIT: green screen in portrait aspect-ratio
  (it was the size of letter sized paper).
  It scrolled unevenly and with the slow fading we called it "sea sickness mode".
- a Tektronix graphic terminal with a storage tube
  similar to those used in oscilloscopes (before digital scopes).
  Anything written to the screen stayed there 'till the ENTIRE screen was erased.
  (the cursor and crosshairs were extra dim so they didn't make permanent images).
-- 
Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@panix(dot)com
The original Dr. JCL and Mr .hide

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"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote in message
news:bce4j8$oe3$1@panix3.panix.com...

[SNIP]

> A few hours of smooth scrolling gives me the strong illusion that the
> text is standing still, and the building is sinking.  I have to go
> stare out a window while firmly holding a windowsill for a while to
> regain my composure.

LOL ! That happened to me too. I thought that smooth
scrolling was a really neat trick on that old VT180,
so I used it for a few hours... I kept having to look
at the reassuring bulk of the 11/785 to re-orientate
myself... I never used smooth scolling again to be
honest - except when I could page some output for
some stupid reason.

Cheers,
Rupert

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In article <3EEBB2BB.4D278CFF@ev1.net>,
Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:
>"Keith F. Lynch" wrote:
>> <antispam.1.tyrcadia@neverbox.com> wrote:
>> > o   Does smooth-scrolling, not choppy line-by-line scrolling.
>> Why not use software that doesn't make it scroll at all, but that
>> repaints the screen starting from the top?
>>        [snip...]       
>> There was a Tektronics terminal with semi-permanent text.  To erase
>> anything, you had to erase the whole screen, which took a couple
>> seconds, and involved a bright green flash.
>> 
>IIRC, this was the Tektronix 4010. It was mainly a graphics


They are called storage tubes.