From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: 28 Mar 2003 07:44:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 42 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.20.71.37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048866267 7028 127.0.0.1 (28 Mar 2003 15:44:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Mar 2003 15:44:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-08!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133835 I was curious if anyone still uses mimeograph machines or if that technology was still in use in modern duplicators. I've heard that the basic principle has been improved and remains in use. Mimeograph is an inexpensive method of printing. A wax stencil is cut, usually with a typewriter, and the ink passes through the cut parts to the paper. More modern methods cut the stencil electronically from a camera ready original. Mimeograph was not high quality. The output had a fuzzy look to it. The advantage was that it was cheap, especially for large runs, such as in schools or institutions. The machines and stencil preparation were much cheaper than offset masters. The machines, basically a drum with a fabric covering that allowed ink to flow through it to the stencil, were much cheaper to buy and maintain than xerox machines. I believe the paper was cheaper than xerox paper as well. For the present day, I've heard that "digital duplicators" still use the mimeo principal of ink passing through a stencil. But have they improved the stencil material, stencil cutting technology, and inks so that the output quality is much better than the fuzzyness of the past? The users of course don't prepare the original stencil, but camera ready copy and the machine electronically scans the original and prepares the stencil. Anyone know accurately more about this? P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality was poor (usually a pale blue color). [public replies only, please] ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: 28 Mar 03 13:57:19 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1478.217T981T8374586@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-576.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133800 In article hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) writes: >I was curious if anyone still uses mimeograph machines or if >that technology was still in use in modern duplicators. I've >heard that the basic principle has been improved and remains >in use. I remember manual typewriters having the "stencil" setting that kept the ribbon out of the way so that, with a firm stroke, you could cut stencils. I never saw it used in anger, though. >P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating >machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") >duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse >edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer >that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than >mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality >was poor (usually a pale blue color). All I ever saw in school were the spirit duplicators (although I think everyone generally - and, it seems, incorrectly - referred to them as "mimeograph machines"). But we tended to only need short runs anyway. And yes, I too remember that pale blue colour. Red and green masters were available, though - I once made up a three-colour master. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Mo" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:57:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.32.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1048867052 24.167.32.227 (Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:57:32 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:57:32 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133825 I remember those back in elementary school. Instead of calling them copies like today the teachers called them runoffs. I also remember the funky blue color the ink had and the teachers always had to holler at us to not sniff the ink! They did have kind of a pleasing odor and what a rush! Mo "Jeff nor Lisa" wrote in message news:de64863b.0303280744.42ff09c2@posting.google.com... > I was curious if anyone still uses mimeograph machines or if > that technology was still in use in modern duplicators. I've > heard that the basic principle has been improved and remains > in use. > > Mimeograph is an inexpensive method of printing. A wax stencil > is cut, usually with a typewriter, and the ink passes through > the cut parts to the paper. More modern methods cut the stencil > electronically from a camera ready original. > > Mimeograph was not high quality. The output had a fuzzy > look to it. The advantage was that it was cheap, especially > for large runs, such as in schools or institutions. The > machines and stencil preparation were much cheaper than offset > masters. The machines, basically a drum with a fabric covering > that allowed ink to flow through it to the stencil, were much > cheaper to buy and maintain than xerox machines. I believe > the paper was cheaper than xerox paper as well. > > > For the present day, I've heard that "digital duplicators" > still use the mimeo principal of ink passing through a stencil. > But have they improved the stencil material, stencil > cutting technology, and inks so that the output quality is > much better than the fuzzyness of the past? The users of > course don't prepare the original stencil, but camera ready > copy and the machine electronically scans the original and > prepares the stencil. > > Anyone know accurately more about this? > > > P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating > machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") > duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse > edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer > that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than > mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality > was poor (usually a pale blue color). > > > [public replies only, please] ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: 28 Mar 2003 13:43:10 -0500 Organization: Systems Administration, XKL LLC, Redmond WA 98052 Lines: 9 Sender: alderson+news@panix5.panix.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1048876990 27900 166.84.1.5 (28 Mar 2003 18:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:43:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!eusc.inter.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!panix!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133805 There's been a fair amount of discussion of these two technologies on the Letterpress mailing list. I think the archives are publicly available, or you can subscribe to the list if you really want to take a look. Check on listserv@listserv.unb.ca -- Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." --Death, of the Endless ###### From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: 28 Mar 2003 12:03:07 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.121.15.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1048881787 21218 127.0.0.1 (28 Mar 2003 20:03:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Mar 2003 20:03:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133828 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) wrote in message news:... > P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating > machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") > duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse > edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer > that image to paper. ISTR that "ordinary" carbon paper worked too, but with lower quality. Tim. ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:51:22 -0500 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Message-ID: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1048884683 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (28 Mar 2003 15:51:23 -0500) X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133719 "Jeff nor Lisa" wrote in message > > > P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating > machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") > duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse > edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer > that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than > mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality > was poor (usually a pale blue color). Green and red ditto masters were also available, having used them... What a shame if they're gone... few things revive the feeling of Youth like holding a stack of freshly dittoed tests under the nose and inhaling deeply... ###### Message-ID: <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.241.15.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1048892577 12.241.15.59 (Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:02:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:02:57 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:02:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133845 "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > "Jeff nor Lisa" wrote in message > > > > > P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating > > machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") > > duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse > > edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer > > that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than > > mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality > > was poor (usually a pale blue color). > > Green and red ditto masters were also available, having > used them... > > What a shame if they're gone... few things revive the > feeling of Youth like holding a stack of freshly dittoed > tests under the nose and inhaling deeply... > Bzzzt...it's bad for your liver. The "memo" copies I remember from my school days had sort of a purple letter color. This was the standard way for most of the planned tests to be done. Our school also had a machine that could make a "spirit" carbon from a standard printed page...but the pages had to be fed in one at a time. So if you used a page from a bound book...you would have to tear it out first. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond richmond at plano dot net | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.204.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1048899162 12.207.204.17 (Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:52:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:52:42 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:52:42 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133735 "Charles Richmond" wrote in message news:3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net... > "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > > > "Jeff nor Lisa" wrote in message > > > > > > > P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating > > > machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") > > > duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse > > > edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer > > > that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than > > > mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality > > > was poor (usually a pale blue color). > > > > Green and red ditto masters were also available, having > > used them... > > > > What a shame if they're gone... few things revive the > > feeling of Youth like holding a stack of freshly dittoed > > tests under the nose and inhaling deeply... > > > Bzzzt...it's bad for your liver. > The "memo" copies I remember from my school days had sort > of a purple letter color. This was the standard way for > most of the planned tests to be done. Our school also had > a machine that could make a "spirit" carbon from a standard > printed page...but the pages had to be fed in one at a time. > So if you used a page from a bound book...you would have to > tear it out first. That is thermofax. A 3M technology originally designed as a copier, also for making transparencies. Infrared light goes through a thin sheet of paper and the purple ink sheet, heats up IR absorbing writing (pencil and Xerox copies work well), and transfers the ink. They are good for about 50 or so copies each, but then it isn't hard to make another one. From books you make one xerographic copy, then use that. The fluid is mostly methanol, so too much isn't good for you. -- glen ###### From: dgriffi@cs.csbuak.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: 29 Mar 2003 07:49:02 GMT Organization: CSUnet Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pegasus.cs.csubak.edu User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990216 ("Styrofoam") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!usc.edu!newshub.csu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133722 Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > "Jeff nor Lisa" wrote in message > >> >> P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating >> machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") >> duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse >> edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer >> that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than >> mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality >> was poor (usually a pale blue color). > Green and red ditto masters were also available, having > used them... > What a shame if they're gone... few things revive the > feeling of Youth like holding a stack of freshly dittoed > tests under the nose and inhaling deeply... I've always remembered them as a deep purple. Nobody ever scolded us for smelling the dittos. -- David Griffith ###### Message-ID: <3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del> From: "Foobar T. Clown" Organization: Administration X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? References: <1478.217T981T8374586@kltpzyxm.invalid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:13:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.151.139.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1049040799 141.151.139.101 (Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:13:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:13:19 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133903 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > All I ever saw in school were the spirit duplicators (although > I think everyone generally - and, it seems, incorrectly - > referred to them as "mimeograph machines"). But we tended > to only need short runs anyway. Ditto. The spirit duplicators had pretty well killed the market for Mimeograph machines by the time I was a kid in school (late 60s). I seem to recall hearing that offset printing was cost effective for any job of more than a few hundred copies, and spirit machines were more cost effective for any job of less than one hundred. Didn't leave much room in between. -- Foo! ###### From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <1478.217T981T8374586@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.204.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc54 1049047796 12.207.204.17 (Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:09:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:09:56 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:09:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc54.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133907 "Foobar T. Clown" wrote in message news:3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del... > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > > All I ever saw in school were the spirit duplicators (although > > I think everyone generally - and, it seems, incorrectly - > > referred to them as "mimeograph machines"). But we tended > > to only need short runs anyway. > > Ditto. > > The spirit duplicators had pretty well killed the market for > Mimeograph machines by the time I was a kid in school (late 60s). > I seem to recall hearing that offset printing was cost effective > for any job of more than a few hundred copies, and spirit > machines were more cost effective for any job of less than one > hundred. > > Didn't leave much room in between. I knew of a machine with a name similer to Gerstetner, something like that, in the 1980's used by an undergraduate student organization. They needed more than 100, but at a student budget. They had the machine with a rotating drum that would make a master from a printed original. (Probably paid for by the school.) While offset might be cost effective at 100, you still have to buy the machinery. -- glen ###### Message-ID: <3E873A50.EFD0B0A0@yahoo.com> From: Peter Flass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? References: <1478.217T981T8374586@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:49:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.194.50.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1049050143 24.194.50.82 (Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:49:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:49:03 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133902 Glen Herrmannsfeldt wrote: > I knew of a machine with a name similer to Gerstetner, something like that, Gestetner, IIRC. ###### Message-ID: <3E873CFD.C3A545D0@gazonk.del> From: "Foobar T. Clown" Organization: administration X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? References: <1478.217T981T8374586@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:52:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.151.139.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1049050375 141.151.139.101 (Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:52:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:52:55 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133905 Glen Herrmannsfeldt wrote: > > "Foobar T. Clown" wrote in message > news:3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del... > > > > The spirit duplicators had pretty well killed the market for > > Mimeograph machines by the time I was a kid in school (late 60s). > > I seem to recall hearing that offset printing was cost effective > > for any job of more than a few hundred copies, and spirit > > machines were more cost effective for any job of less than one > > hundred. > > [...] While offset might be cost effective at 100, you > still have to buy the machinery. > > -- glen Was a viable option for a Univeristy or for a large corporation. The rest of us would just pop 'round the corner to the print shop. We still do today, except now the "print shop" often is Kinkos, and the machine uses Xerox technology. -- Foo! ###### From: "Helmut P. Einfalt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:43:53 -0000 Organization: T-Online Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <1478.217T981T8374586@kltpzyxm.invalid> <3E871793.430513AD@gazonk.del> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1049053387 00 2264 W2fKEYjSbAZ0y 030330 19:43:07 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-ID: ZL7tbaZUZe3APkAai67TcYAHDfibj+MalL9TS6a4YU-4LtdFnE0r4g X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:133924 >I knew of a machine with a name similer to Gerstetner, something like that, >in the 1980's used by an undergraduate student organization. They needed >more than 100, but at a student budget. They had the machine with a >rotating drum that would make a master from a printed original. (Probably >paid for by the school.) That was a Gestetner drum scanner. It would read any original in samples with a pretty low (= coarse) pitch and burn it -- spark by spark -- into a wax stencil similar to the ones you used for the typweriter. The rest of the process was carried out on a stencil printer using a process quite similar to silk-screen printing (but much coarser), with the stencil acting as a screen between the ink and the paper. Its advantage over offest lay in the cost: One offset plate would cost us about 15 times as much as one stencil in 1975 (the offset plate being at about 8 dollars or so in Austria then), and the stencils would work fine for runs up to 1000 copies max. Also, the paper (an open surface type) was way cheaper than offset paper; the drawback, however, was that you couldn't write very well on it, you *had* to use a biro or a pencil, felt markers and other ink-based media would be sucked up by the paper's structure and be reduced to a series of virtually illegible blots. The maintenance of the stencil printing machine was very easy compared to the cleaning you have to do on offset machines (not rubber tissue to clean), and we kept that machine (and the drum scanner) in our students' organisation even after we got our own offset printshop in '79 for the odd quick'n'dirty flyer. Helmut -- "The 080 had nicer legs than the 082." (D.Weaver in comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware) ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:21:12 -0500 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Message-ID: <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1049124072 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (31 Mar 2003 10:21:12 -0500) X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!newshub1.wanet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134017 "Charles Richmond" wrote in message news:3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net... > "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > > > Green and red ditto masters were also available, having > > used them... > > > > What a shame if they're gone... few things revive the > > feeling of Youth like holding a stack of freshly dittoed > > tests under the nose and inhaling deeply... > > > Bzzzt...it's bad for your liver. I have a robust liver- it survived 10 years of using acetominophen as a hang-over preventative/cure... ...and that was probably the most benign thing I did to it during those years. No sign of any problems... > The "memo" copies I remember from my school days had sort > of a purple letter color. This was the standard way for > most of the planned tests to be done. Our school also had > a machine that could make a "spirit" carbon from a standard > printed page...but the pages had to be fed in one at a time. > So if you used a page from a bound book...you would have to > tear it out first. Actually, you could make a photocopy and use that... we had an early thermal printer (slightly different technology I think than the Texas Instruments thermal stuff) at my junior high school, and we could make ditto masters from the thermal copies... but it didn't work well.. ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:23:13 -0500 Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Message-ID: <3e885d61$1_2@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1049124193 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (31 Mar 2003 10:23:13 -0500) X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news.compaq.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134016 "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" wrote in message news:u76ha.269375$S_4.170199@rwcrnsc53... > "Charles Richmond" wrote in message > news:3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net... > > "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > > > "Jeff nor Lisa" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > P.S. With the advent of low-cost xerography duplicating > > > > machines, my guess is that the spirit master ("ditto") > > > > duplicators are obsolete. These machines used the reverse > > > > edge of a special carbon paper and a fluid to transfer > > > > that image to paper. They were cheaper and easier than > > > > mimeo, but limited to about 100 copies and copy quality > > > > was poor (usually a pale blue color). > > > > > > Green and red ditto masters were also available, having > > > used them... > > > > > > What a shame if they're gone... few things revive the > > > feeling of Youth like holding a stack of freshly dittoed > > > tests under the nose and inhaling deeply... > > > > > Bzzzt...it's bad for your liver. [..snip..] > The fluid is mostly methanol, so too much isn't good for you. Charles' sterno warning notwithstanding, all things in moderation... ;) ###### From: "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.204.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc54 1049223175 12.207.204.17 (Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:52:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:52:55 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:52:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc54.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134019 "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote in message news:3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com... > "Charles Richmond" wrote in message > news:3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net... (snip) > > I have a robust liver- it survived 10 years of using > acetominophen as a hang-over preventative/cure... > > ...and that was probably the most benign thing I > did to it during those years. No sign of any problems... > > > The "memo" copies I remember from my school days had sort > > of a purple letter color. This was the standard way for > > most of the planned tests to be done. Our school also had > > a machine that could make a "spirit" carbon from a standard > > printed page...but the pages had to be fed in one at a time. > > So if you used a page from a bound book...you would have to > > tear it out first. > > Actually, you could make a photocopy and use that... we had > an early thermal printer (slightly different technology > I think than the Texas Instruments thermal stuff) at my > junior high school, and we could make ditto masters from > the thermal copies... but it didn't work well.. They need carbon based ink. Pencil and xerographic copies work well. Some school workbooks are specifically printed using such inks so teachers can make such copies from them. The ink needs to absorb far infrared light, which carbon is good at doing, but most dyes are not. -- glen ###### From: ararghNOSPAM@NOT.AT.enteract.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:39:38 -0600 Organization: Not Really! Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tcr189.dynip.ripco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: e250.ripco.com 1049244009 26506 209.100.226.189 (2 Apr 2003 00:40:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ripco.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:40:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.lightlink.com!gail.ripco.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134097 On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:52:55 GMT, "Glen Herrmannsfeldt" wrote: > >"Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote in message >news:3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com... >> "Charles Richmond" wrote in message >> news:3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net... > >(snip) >> >> I have a robust liver- it survived 10 years of using >> acetominophen as a hang-over preventative/cure... >> >> ...and that was probably the most benign thing I >> did to it during those years. No sign of any problems... >> >> > The "memo" copies I remember from my school days had sort >> > of a purple letter color. This was the standard way for >> > most of the planned tests to be done. Our school also had >> > a machine that could make a "spirit" carbon from a standard >> > printed page...but the pages had to be fed in one at a time. >> > So if you used a page from a bound book...you would have to >> > tear it out first. >> >> Actually, you could make a photocopy and use that... we had >> an early thermal printer (slightly different technology >> I think than the Texas Instruments thermal stuff) at my >> junior high school, and we could make ditto masters from >> the thermal copies... but it didn't work well.. > >They need carbon based ink. Pencil and xerographic copies work well. Some >school workbooks are specifically printed using such inks so teachers can >make such copies from them. The ink needs to absorb far infrared light, >which carbon is good at doing, but most dyes are not. And I have seen sheet music that is printed such that it is nearly impossible to copy using these ways. -- Arargh (at arargh dot com) http://www.arargh.com To reply by email, change the domain name, and remove the garbage. (Enteract can keep the spam, they are gone anyway) ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Charles Shannon Hendrix Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> Organization: Big Endian Reply-To: cshNOSPAM@NOSPAM.widomaker.com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:14:22 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.249.215 X-Trace: sydney.visi.net 1049261336 206.246.249.215 (Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:28:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:28:56 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.magnet.ch!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsxfer.visi.net!sydney.visi.net!escape.shannon.net!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134194 In article <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com>, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: >> Bzzzt...it's bad for your liver. > > I have a robust liver- it survived 10 years of using > acetominophen as a hang-over preventative/cure... Acetominophen has to be taken in large doses to cause damage. I heard about a guy who had liver damage from it, and went to ask him about it. Turns out he had taken the maximum dose per day, for about 7 years. Where Acetominophen (Tylenol) is dangerous is when taken for a hangover, because it reacts with alcohol and does a lot of damage. So all these people using for hangovers are asking for trouble. What I don't understand is why people use pain pills, when all they need to do is rehydrate and the hangover goes away. It's caused by the diuretic effect of alcohol. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: 02 Apr 03 10:19:24 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <731.222T1200T6194889@kltpzyxm.invalid> References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-902.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134265 In article shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix) writes: >What I don't understand is why people use pain pills, when all they >need to do is rehydrate and the hangover goes away. It's caused by >the diuretic effect of alcohol. The other thing I learned is to drink as much water as possible before going to sleep. That's pretty effective - but it requires a bit of forethought (as well as not having passed out already). -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign! ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:37:01 -0500 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Message-ID: <3e8c713e$1_3@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1049391422 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (3 Apr 2003 12:37:02 -0500) X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.123!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134204 "Charles Shannon Hendrix" wrote in message news:slrnb8kp61.qea.shannon@news.widomaker.com... > In article <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com>, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > >> Bzzzt...it's bad for your liver. > > > > I have a robust liver- it survived 10 years of using > > acetominophen as a hang-over preventative/cure... > > Acetominophen has to be taken in large doses to cause damage. > > I heard about a guy who had liver damage from it, and went to ask him > about it. Turns out he had taken the maximum dose per day, for about 7 > years. > > Where Acetominophen (Tylenol) is dangerous is when taken for a hangover, > because it reacts with alcohol and does a lot of damage. > > So all these people using for hangovers are asking for trouble. Actually, research just a few years ago has shown that some people have a mutated gene which results in their livers producing an enzyme that, instead of breaking down the alcohol and acetominophen, causes it to be even more toxic. At least if you can believe what you read in the newspapers... > What I don't understand is why people use pain pills, when all they > need to do is rehydrate and the hangover goes away. It's caused by the > diuretic effect of alcohol. Consciousness... fading... fast... must... drink... 3 gallons of water! Or, two pills... ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Charles Shannon Hendrix Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> <3e8c713e$1_3@news.iglou.com> Organization: Big Endian Reply-To: cshNOSPAM@NOSPAM.widomaker.com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:48:08 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.249.138 X-Trace: sydney.visi.net 1049437701 206.246.249.138 (Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:28:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:28:21 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.astraweb.com!news-small.astraweb.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!newsxfer.visi.net!sydney.visi.net!escape.shannon.net!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134477 In article <3e8c713e$1_3@news.iglou.com>, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: >> So all these people using for hangovers are asking for trouble. > > Actually, research just a few years ago has shown that some people > have a mutated gene which results in their livers producing an > enzyme that, instead of breaking down the alcohol and acetominophen, > causes it to be even more toxic. At least if you can believe what > you read in the newspapers... It's not a good combination wether you have mutated genes or not. Alcohol is listed in the contraindication databases for acetominophen. >> What I don't understand is why people use pain pills, when all they >> need to do is rehydrate and the hangover goes away. It's caused by the >> diuretic effect of alcohol. > > Consciousness... fading... fast... must... drink... 3 gallons of water! > > Or, two pills... ...which won't work, and might be dangerous. Drink a couple glasses of water every hour. No real hangover will be solved by pills. ###### From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3e84b5cb_3@news.iglou.com> <3E84F04A.40A7F959@ev1.net> <3e885ce8$1_2@news.iglou.com> <3e8c713e$1_3@news.iglou.com> Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:11:04 -0500 Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: c005766.customers.cinergycom.net Message-ID: <3e8dcab9$1_3@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: news.iglou.com 1049479865 c005766.customers.cinergycom.net (4 Apr 2003 13:11:05 -0500) X-Authenticated-User: dougq X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.135.61.138 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news.compaq.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.iglou.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:134359 "Charles Shannon Hendrix" wrote in message news:slrnb8q7dm.va0.shannon@news.widomaker.com... > In article <3e8c713e$1_3@news.iglou.com>, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > >> So all these people using for hangovers are asking for trouble. > > > > Actually, research just a few years ago has shown that some people > > have a mutated gene which results in their livers producing an > > enzyme that, instead of breaking down the alcohol and acetominophen, > > causes it to be even more toxic. At least if you can believe what > > you read in the newspapers... > > It's not a good combination wether you have mutated genes or not. > > Alcohol is listed in the contraindication databases for acetominophen. Yes it is... a PDR has been my faithful companion since High School... > >> What I don't understand is why people use pain pills, when all they > >> need to do is rehydrate and the hangover goes away. It's caused by the > >> diuretic effect of alcohol. > > > > Consciousness... fading... fast... must... drink... 3 gallons of water! > > > > Or, two pills... > > ...which won't work, and might be dangerous. Well then, the placebo effect can't be beaten! > Drink a couple glasses of water every hour. After the first hour, wherein I'll have two or three mixed drinks, I settle into alternating between mixed drinks and soda water w/twist of lemon & lime. I still get hung over... > No real hangover will be solved by pills. Ah, then I'm luck I get only fantask hangovers... Never be dissuaded by anyone's personal experience! After all, some prople think they've been on board alien spaceships... ###### From: Peter G Capek Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:30:25 -0400 Organization: IBM Global Services North -- Burlington, Vermont, USA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3EAC9241.41751276@ieee.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sig-9-65-109-5.mts.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.btv.ibm.com 1051497197 30646 9.65.109.5 (28 Apr 2003 02:33:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@btv.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2003 02:33:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp5.savvis.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!an02.austin.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!newsfeed.btv.ibm.com!news.btv.ibm.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:136284 Jeff nor Lisa wrote: > I was curious if anyone still uses mimeograph machines or if > that technology was still in use in modern duplicators. It's really difficult to answer this question with any authority. However, I was curious about the same thing a while back, and looked around at al the "traditional" mimeograph manufacturers and could find none who still made the product or supplies. That's not a proof however, and it certainly doesn't preclude some machines still being in use somewhere. Indeed, the companies I looked at (A B Dick, Gestetner, one or two others) may well have sold the business to some company I'm unaware of. Nonetheless, the cost of xerographic copying is by now so close to the cost of both mimeo and ditto, and the ease of preparation of originals so great, that I'd be surprised if either of these still were in use more than in a few odd backwaters. The notes on http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/40/408.html at the Dead Media Project are amusing and may be helpful. Peter Capek IBM Research ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Is the mimeograph process still in use? Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:52:04 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3EAE2F24.13989B3B@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3EAC9241.41751276@ieee.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1051602831 9964 158.152.132.30 (29 Apr 2003 07:53:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:53:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:136369 Peter G Capek wrote: > > Jeff nor Lisa wrote: > > > I was curious if anyone still uses mimeograph machines or if > > that technology was still in use in modern duplicators. My father had a working machine up to the time he died, about six years ago. ISTR I found a buyer for it but memory fades a little among the various machine tools, bottles of highly corrosive chemicals and equipment for making silent movies that was in his workshop. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, author, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover. 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21.