From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:18:29 -0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

NNTP-Posting-Host: darkboong.demon.co.uk X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1039871913 7543 80.177.7.220 (14 Dec 2002 13:18:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:18:33 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124159 "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... > In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: > > It is. I recall one evening as I was spinning ELP albums and writing > > Now there's your problem. ELP are just.... pants. > The Nice - much more like it. To be honest the stuff I've found most useful for coding to is the Prodigy, Paul van Dyk and other stuff like him... Trance stuff works a treat, you don't really need to *listen* to it as such, which means you can apply more grey cells to coding. Other favourites include Motorhead & Monstermagnet, but I am not convinced that they help the coding process much. :) On the other hand when working away from the keyboard I like a spot of Saint-Seans or Pink Floyd to help stirr the grey cell soup. Cheers, Rupert ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 02 14:15:29 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZKYp2D2fDJ6ZS7qjOPWVKpbfEp856nqVWuTp7A2Byc5GwHXXLXVtlU X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2002 14:45:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-157 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124138 In article <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: >Rupert Pigott wrote: >> >> "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message >> news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... >> > In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: >The last time I did music and coding together...it was with >a Chopin LP. I found it quite nice and relaxing... This is one >of the two times I remember being the most contented in my life... I don't understand how one can not be contented when working. I guess I'd better add this: Working is not the same as putting time on the clock. Working is the time spent making or learning something. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Message-ID: <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1039876008 12.237.69.162 (Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:26:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:26:48 GMT Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:26:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124174 Rupert Pigott wrote: > > "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message > news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... > > In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: > > > It is. I recall one evening as I was spinning ELP albums and writing > > > > Now there's your problem. ELP are just.... pants. > > The Nice - much more like it. > > To be honest the stuff I've found most useful for coding to is > the Prodigy, Paul van Dyk and other stuff like him... Trance > stuff works a treat, you don't really need to *listen* to it as > such, which means you can apply more grey cells to coding. > > Other favourites include Motorhead & Monstermagnet, but I > am not convinced that they help the coding process much. :) > > On the other hand when working away from the keyboard I > like a spot of Saint-Seans or Pink Floyd to help stirr the grey > cell soup. > The last time I did music and coding together...it was with a Chopin LP. I found it quite nice and relaxing... This is one of the two times I remember being the most contented in my life... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) From: leor@bdsoft.com (Leor Zolman) Organization: BD Software X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.18.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1039880641 66.31.18.12 (Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:44:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:44:01 GMT Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:44:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124131 In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com says... > >In article <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net>, > Charles Richmond wrote: >>Rupert Pigott wrote: >>> >>> "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message >>> news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... >>> > In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: > > > >>The last time I did music and coding together...it was with >>a Chopin LP. I found it quite nice and relaxing... This is one >>of the two times I remember being the most contented in my life... > >I don't understand how one can not be contented when working. > >I guess I'd better add this: >Working is not the same as putting time on the clock. Working >is the time spent making or learning something. "Work" and "Play" should be equivalent...that's the ideal I strive for, anyway. -leor > >/BAH > > >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> Organization: Honest Chris' Sysadmin Emporium X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:59:15 +0000 Message-ID: <31ofta.9l2.ln@teabag.cbhnet> Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2002 17:00:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.254.134.35 X-Trace: 1039885202 news.gradwell.net 300 cbh/62.254.134.35 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@gradwell.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-peer.gradwell.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124133 According to Rupert Pigott : > To be honest the stuff I've found most useful for coding to is > the Prodigy, Paul van Dyk and other stuff like him... Trance ... snip ... I seem to be going through a "yob rock" phase at the moment, usually alternating between the lately oft-mentioned Macc Lads and the Rezillos (for those who haven't heard the latter, a bunch of Scots art-school types who sound exactly like a cross between the B-52s and The Damned) with the odd bit of the Stranglers thrown in. Looking through the pile of CDs I can also spot a Prodigy one, something by Propaganda and the rather shouty Republica who were famous for about 5 minutes a few years back. Oh, and I feel I should confess to having an ELP album somewhere, which isn't too bad except for Keith Emerson's bloody awful piano concertos (with apologies to Spike Milligan) Chris. -- "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" Neil, '84 Currently playing: Nothing by John Lennon. Ever. http://www.chrishedley.com My stuff, including genealogy, other things, etc ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:57:42 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

User-Agent: tin/1.5.12-20020427 ("Sugar") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.7-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!freenix!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124164 In alt.folklore.computers Rupert Pigott wrote: > "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message > news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... >> In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: >> > It is. I recall one evening as I was spinning ELP albums and writing >> >> Now there's your problem. ELP are just.... pants. >> The Nice - much more like it. > > To be honest the stuff I've found most useful for coding to is > the Prodigy, Paul van Dyk and other stuff like him... Trance > stuff works a treat, you don't really need to *listen* to it as > such, which means you can apply more grey cells to coding. > Can't be doing with bleepy stuff myself. If I'm in deep coding mode it needs to be loud, mostly instrumental (or have lyrics I know very well). This usually means prog rock, Krautrock, most kinds of jazz, dub reggae, or surf/twang guitar are good, so's anything by Jim ("Foetus") Thirlwell, Stereolab, Cocteau Twins, Laibach, Scorn, Labradford, the more instrumental Zappa albums, early Clapton (Cream/Blind Faith).... in fact, *music* is good. > On the other hand when working away from the keyboard I > like a spot of Saint-Seans or Pink Floyd to help stirr the grey > cell soup. > Away from the keyboard almost anything goes. ;) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB ###### From: Steve Burton Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:02:59 +0000 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

Reply-To: steve@sliderule.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: sliderule.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1039903373 19719 80.177.21.188 (14 Dec 2002 22:02:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124125 On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:57:42 -0000, Pete Fenelon wrote: >In alt.folklore.computers Rupert Pigott wrote: >> "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message >> news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... >>> In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: >>> > It is. I recall one evening as I was spinning ELP albums and writing >>> >>> Now there's your problem. ELP are just.... pants. >>> The Nice - much more like it. >> >> To be honest the stuff I've found most useful for coding to is >> the Prodigy, Paul van Dyk and other stuff like him... Trance >> stuff works a treat, you don't really need to *listen* to it as >> such, which means you can apply more grey cells to coding. >> > >Can't be doing with bleepy stuff myself. If I'm in deep coding mode >it needs to be loud, mostly instrumental (or have lyrics I know very well). Gilbert and Sullivan, for me. I can sing along and code at the same time. I usually code alone these days......... Steve. >This usually means prog rock, Krautrock, most kinds of jazz, dub reggae, or >surf/twang guitar are good, so's anything by Jim ("Foetus") Thirlwell, >Stereolab, Cocteau Twins, Laibach, Scorn, Labradford, the more >instrumental Zappa albums, early Clapton (Cream/Blind Faith).... >in fact, *music* is good. > >> On the other hand when working away from the keyboard I >> like a spot of Saint-Seans or Pink Floyd to help stirr the grey >> cell soup. >> > >Away from the keyboard almost anything goes. ;) > > >pete ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2 (i386-msvc-nt4.0.1381) Cancel-Lock: sha1:uG/HIhUDMs7wpML9dsbuwe1u4BY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:33:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.61.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1039977224 65.58.61.117 (Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:33:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:33:44 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124214 researchers find brain center of music appreication http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/13/music.brain.ap/index.html -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 02 12:48:51 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFC310F.7020905@beagle-ears.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYhyyrY9KwiRPOtaVzfT9r3+/pIP2FUABt2FTKkBRJ5/0Ptt64WNHSh X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2002 13:19:07 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-24 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124207 In article <3DFC310F.7020905@beagle-ears.com>, Lars Poulsen wrote: >J. Clarke wrote: >> Life is short. Why waste it doing something you hate? The hard part is >> finding something you love to do that can put food on the table. > >"Do not look for a career that will pay you well. Doing unpleasant > things for money will bring you no joy - it is just a socially > acceptabe form of prostitution. Rather, find out what it is that > you love to do, and then become the best that you can at doing that. > You will enjoy your work, and render a service to your community. > The respect of your peers will follow; you may never be wealthy, > but you will be able to make a living, and also have a life." > >The tricky part is the commitment to doing your best. >This is both the key to finding the work satisfying, You can find any kind of work satisfying if you are doing your best. Even the work I found to be boring, (stuffing pickle jars was one of them) got interesting when I started thinking about the production line and making a game out of it. > ... to earning >the respect of your peers, and to the money finding you in the >end. The money thing is a contract. One of the good things about working at DEC was, as long as you fulfilled your end of the job agreement, you were free to do anything else (within limits of course). For instance, I started out being a programmer's secretary and eventually laid the groundwork so that the documentation production got on-line. I wasn't paid to do that (in some cases, I was paid not to do that). /BAH /BAH ###### From: J. Clarke Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:54:00 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-822.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124226 In article <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04>, leor@bdsoft.com says... > In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com says... > > > >In article <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net>, > > Charles Richmond wrote: > >>Rupert Pigott wrote: > >>> > >>> "Pete Fenelon" wrote in message > >>> news:uvkuqsprgp0qa6@corp.supernews.com... > >>> > In alt.folklore.computers Leor Zolman wrote: > > > > > > > >>The last time I did music and coding together...it was with > >>a Chopin LP. I found it quite nice and relaxing... This is one > >>of the two times I remember being the most contented in my life... > > > >I don't understand how one can not be contented when working. > > > >I guess I'd better add this: > >Working is not the same as putting time on the clock. Working > >is the time spent making or learning something. > > "Work" and "Play" should be equivalent...that's the ideal I strive for, > anyway. > -leor Life is short. Why waste it doing something you hate? The hard part is finding something you love to do that can put food on the table. > > > > >/BAH > > > > > >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. > > -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net) ###### Message-ID: <3DFC310F.7020905@beagle-ears.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:36:47 -0800 From: Lars Poulsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.154.106.6 X-Trace: azure.impulse.net 1039937796 189 207.154.106.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!sienna.impulse.net!azure.impulse.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124200 J. Clarke wrote: > Life is short. Why waste it doing something you hate? The hard part is > finding something you love to do that can put food on the table. "Do not look for a career that will pay you well. Doing unpleasant things for money will bring you no joy - it is just a socially acceptabe form of prostitution. Rather, find out what it is that you love to do, and then become the best that you can at doing that. You will enjoy your work, and render a service to your community. The respect of your peers will follow; you may never be wealthy, but you will be able to make a living, and also have a life." The tricky part is the commitment to doing your best. This is both the key to finding the work satisfying, to earning the respect of your peers, and to the money finding you in the end. -- / Lars Poulsen +1-805-569-5277 http://www.beagle-ears.com/lars/ 125 South Ontare Rd, Santa Barbara, CA 93105 USA lars@beagle-ears.com ###### From: David Powell Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:38:47 +0000 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

Reply-To: ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 223.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk (212.35.234.223) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1039973914 38285131 212.35.234.223 (16 [161127]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!223.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.UK!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124247 In article , Steve Burton in alt.folklore.computers wrote: > >Gilbert and Sullivan, for me. I can sing along and code at the same >time. I usually code alone these days......... > "The amateur tenor, whose vocal villainies All desire to shirk........" Regards, David P. ###### From: Steve Burton Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:54:54 +0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1040029779 12.237.69.162 (Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:09:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:09:39 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:09:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124337 "J. Clarke" wrote: > > In article <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04>, leor@bdsoft.com says... > > In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com says... > > > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > > > I don't understand how one can not be contented when working. > > > > > > I guess I'd better add this: > > > Working is not the same as putting time on the clock. Working > > > is the time spent making or learning something. > > > > "Work" and "Play" should be equivalent...that's the ideal I strive for, > > anyway. > > -leor > > Life is short. Why waste it doing something you hate? The hard part is > finding something you love to do that can put food on the table. > All of this is something I did strive for: "But yield who will to their separation, My object in living is to unite My avocation and my vocation As my two eyes make one in sight. Only where love and need are one, And the work is play for mortal stakes, Is the deed ever really done For Heaven and the future's sakes." says Robert Frost in his poem "Two Tramps in Mudtime". The problem I keep having here is: I usually have to work with other people...some of whom are my managers. No matter how much you love what you are doing, your manager can find ways to make your life a living hell. Even the actions of your co-workers can foul up the works of an otherwise excellent job... You must remember the sign that some had at their place of work: "I love my job, it's the *people* I can't stand!!!" Some managers I have worked for...have the idea that if you are *enjoying* yourself, then you are "goofing off". Never mind that you might be doing three times the work of anyone else. The manager thinks: "Gee, just think how much work I could get out of this guy...if I could only get him to stop goofing off!!!" -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 02 13:09:57 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 81 Message-ID: References: <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZd8/jh7cyqGFCAASAK8TuFNV+ERUMsNLfYLUbBEaTTpVwEfHrkMdyd X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2002 13:40:45 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-31 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124426 In article , J. Clarke wrote: >In article <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net>, richmond@ev1.net says... >> "J. Clarke" wrote: >> > >> > In article <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04>, leor@bdsoft.com says... >> > > In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com says... >> > > > >> > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> > > > >> > > > I don't understand how one can not be contented when working. >> > > > >> > > > I guess I'd better add this: >> > > > Working is not the same as putting time on the clock. Working >> > > > is the time spent making or learning something. >> > > >> > > "Work" and "Play" should be equivalent...that's the ideal I strive for, >> > > anyway. >> > > -leor >> > >> > Life is short. Why waste it doing something you hate? The hard part is >> > finding something you love to do that can put food on the table. >> > >> All of this is something I did strive for: >> >> "But yield who will to their separation, >> My object in living is to unite >> My avocation and my vocation >> As my two eyes make one in sight. >> Only where love and need are one, >> And the work is play for mortal stakes, >> Is the deed ever really done >> For Heaven and the future's sakes." >> >> says Robert Frost in his poem "Two Tramps in Mudtime". >> >> The problem I keep having here is: I usually have to work >> with other people...some of whom are my managers. No matter >> how much you love what you are doing, your manager can find >> ways to make your life a living hell. Even the actions of >> your co-workers can foul up the works of an otherwise >> excellent job... >> >> You must remember the sign that some had at their place of work: >> >> "I love my job, it's the *people* I can't stand!!!" >> >> Some managers I have worked for...have the idea that if you >> are *enjoying* yourself, then you are "goofing off". Never >> mind that you might be doing three times the work of anyone >> else. The manager thinks: "Gee, just think how much work >> I could get out of this guy...if I could only get him to >> stop goofing off!!!" > >Unfortunately this is something one has to deal with on occasion. The >way to do it is to track your productivity, assuming you have a manager >who doesn't think that "manager" is a synonym for "God". > >Old story (possibly urban legend) about the Ford Motor Company. Ol' >Henry decided to bring in an efficiency expert. The guy went through >the company and ended up telling Henry "In every regard but one your >company is a model to be emulated. The one problem I see is a fellow >down the hall who sits there all day with his feet up on his desk and >his hands folded behind his head." Henry replied "Once that man came up >with an idea that saved this company tens of millions of dollars. When >he came up with it he was sitting with his feet up on his desk and his >hands folded behind his head." Ken Olsen knew about that. There was a guy who just walked around the Mill. I was told that he didn't do anything but produce ideas. If he had lived, the Official Personnel Classification Idiots would have had damned difficult time assigning him a job code that has no career path and no manager. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 02 13:12:00 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> <3E0056F9.2F6F74AA@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ9b/wEA7RLde1E+1KPwvLx9kyR3XKbrBc3nx3wAGMNfv+0puZPzkjT X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2002 13:42:48 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-31 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124409 In article <3E0056F9.2F6F74AA@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: >"J. Clarke" wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> Unfortunately this is something one has to deal with on occasion. The >> way to do it is to track your productivity, assuming you have a manager >> who doesn't think that "manager" is a synonym for "God". >> >But the "God" manager is *always* going to say...if you *stop* goofing >off, you could accomplish much more for the company!!! No, they don't. >> >> Old story (possibly urban legend) about the Ford Motor Company. Ol' >> Henry decided to bring in an efficiency expert. The guy went through >> the company and ended up telling Henry "In every regard but one your >> company is a model to be emulated. The one problem I see is a fellow >> down the hall who sits there all day with his feet up on his desk and >> his hands folded behind his head." Henry replied "Once that man came up >> with an idea that saved this company tens of millions of dollars. When >> he came up with it he was sitting with his feet up on his desk and his >> hands folded behind his head." >> >Will you make yourself available...so when I get blasted by >a manager for sitting and staring into the corner and thinking... >will you come and explain to him/her that I am *really* doing >my work??? Sigh! If you work for an idiot like that, rearrange your corner. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 02 16:31:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> <3E00BDCE.6E5805CF@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYrBFy0N8TQHws7ZI+19hvyO4kqLT/4aAz9lQAWUMltokV/xMqHMs+A X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2002 17:01:49 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-182-155 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124429 In article <3E00BDCE.6E5805CF@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> Ken Olsen knew about that. There was a guy who just walked around >> the Mill. I was told that he didn't do anything but produce ideas. >> If he had lived, the Official Personnel Classification Idiots >> would have had damned difficult time assigning him a job code >> that has no career path and no manager. >> >IIRC, Ken Olson is still alive...of course, he does *not* work >for DEC now. But that is okay, because now there really is *no* >DEC anymore... ?Data input error--reread post. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: J. Clarke Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:12:00 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-372.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124450 In article <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net>, richmond@ev1.net says... > "J. Clarke" wrote: > > > > In article <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04>, leor@bdsoft.com says... > > > In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com says... > > > > > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > > > > > I don't understand how one can not be contented when working. > > > > > > > > I guess I'd better add this: > > > > Working is not the same as putting time on the clock. Working > > > > is the time spent making or learning something. > > > > > > "Work" and "Play" should be equivalent...that's the ideal I strive for, > > > anyway. > > > -leor > > > > Life is short. Why waste it doing something you hate? The hard part is > > finding something you love to do that can put food on the table. > > > All of this is something I did strive for: > > "But yield who will to their separation, > My object in living is to unite > My avocation and my vocation > As my two eyes make one in sight. > Only where love and need are one, > And the work is play for mortal stakes, > Is the deed ever really done > For Heaven and the future's sakes." > > says Robert Frost in his poem "Two Tramps in Mudtime". > > The problem I keep having here is: I usually have to work > with other people...some of whom are my managers. No matter > how much you love what you are doing, your manager can find > ways to make your life a living hell. Even the actions of > your co-workers can foul up the works of an otherwise > excellent job... > > You must remember the sign that some had at their place of work: > > "I love my job, it's the *people* I can't stand!!!" > > Some managers I have worked for...have the idea that if you > are *enjoying* yourself, then you are "goofing off". Never > mind that you might be doing three times the work of anyone > else. The manager thinks: "Gee, just think how much work > I could get out of this guy...if I could only get him to > stop goofing off!!!" Unfortunately this is something one has to deal with on occasion. The way to do it is to track your productivity, assuming you have a manager who doesn't think that "manager" is a synonym for "God". Old story (possibly urban legend) about the Ford Motor Company. Ol' Henry decided to bring in an efficiency expert. The guy went through the company and ended up telling Henry "In every regard but one your company is a model to be emulated. The one problem I see is a fellow down the hall who sits there all day with his feet up on his desk and his hands folded behind his head." Henry replied "Once that man came up with an idea that saved this company tens of millions of dollars. When he came up with it he was sitting with his feet up on his desk and his hands folded behind his head." -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net) ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) From: leor@bdsoft.com (Leor Zolman) Organization: BD Software X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.18.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1040181096 66.31.18.12 (Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:11:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:11:36 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:11:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124369 In article <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net>, richmond@ev1.net says... >All of this is something I did strive for: > >"But yield who will to their separation, > My object in living is to unite > My avocation and my vocation > As my two eyes make one in sight. > Only where love and need are one, > And the work is play for mortal stakes, > Is the deed ever really done > For Heaven and the future's sakes." > >says Robert Frost in his poem "Two Tramps in Mudtime". Nice! Maybe I should start reading poetry. > >The problem I keep having here is: I usually have to work >with other people...some of whom are my managers. No matter >how much you love what you are doing, your manager can find >ways to make your life a living hell. Even the actions of >your co-workers can foul up the works of an otherwise >excellent job... This is why I've spent exactly three of the last 23 years getting a regular paycheck, and for those three I was on staff at the C Users Journal working for Robert Ward. That was the only job I've *ever* held where I felt that I actually fit in (it probably helped that the company, R&D Publications, began as a support group for my C compiler). An essential part of that was having 100% respect for my employer. Except for Robert, the only one I seem capable of working/playing for is myself... -leor ###### Message-ID: <3E0056F9.2F6F74AA@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) References: <16e613ec.0211060625.192421b5@posting.google.com> <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1040202504 12.237.69.162 (Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:08:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:08:24 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:08:24 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124500 "J. Clarke" wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > Unfortunately this is something one has to deal with on occasion. The > way to do it is to track your productivity, assuming you have a manager > who doesn't think that "manager" is a synonym for "God". > But the "God" manager is *always* going to say...if you *stop* goofing off, you could accomplish much more for the company!!! > > Old story (possibly urban legend) about the Ford Motor Company. Ol' > Henry decided to bring in an efficiency expert. The guy went through > the company and ended up telling Henry "In every regard but one your > company is a model to be emulated. The one problem I see is a fellow > down the hall who sits there all day with his feet up on his desk and > his hands folded behind his head." Henry replied "Once that man came up > with an idea that saved this company tens of millions of dollars. When > he came up with it he was sitting with his feet up on his desk and his > hands folded behind his head." > Will you make yourself available...so when I get blasted by a manager for sitting and staring into the corner and thinking... will you come and explain to him/her that I am *really* doing my work??? (By the way, Henry Ford was a *very* intelligent man IMHO.) -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: <7ri00vc2ucpfr5ca1prre3dm2dkdeo3eoh@4ax.com> References: <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> <3E0056F9.2F6F74AA@ev1.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:36:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1040207777 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:36:17 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:36:17 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!63.210.96.66.MISMATCH!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124515 On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:08:24 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: >"J. Clarke" wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> Unfortunately this is something one has to deal with on occasion. The >> way to do it is to track your productivity, assuming you have a manager >> who doesn't think that "manager" is a synonym for "God". >> >But the "God" manager is *always* going to say...if you *stop* goofing >off, you could accomplish much more for the company!!! >> >> Old story (possibly urban legend) about the Ford Motor Company. Ol' >> Henry decided to bring in an efficiency expert. The guy went through >> the company and ended up telling Henry "In every regard but one your >> company is a model to be emulated. The one problem I see is a fellow >> down the hall who sits there all day with his feet up on his desk and >> his hands folded behind his head." Henry replied "Once that man came up >> with an idea that saved this company tens of millions of dollars. When >> he came up with it he was sitting with his feet up on his desk and his >> hands folded behind his head." >> >Will you make yourself available...so when I get blasted by >a manager for sitting and staring into the corner and thinking... >will you come and explain to him/her that I am *really* doing >my work??? Tell them you're thinking, and go into details about what you're thinking and why, then ask them if they'd rather you did your work without thinking? Call it planning your approach to the day's work, the next task or phase, and they might understand somewhat better. Or do what I do -- go somewhere else for a drink and a think -- that way they can't see you thinking -- take your materials or work with you -- if they ask where you were -- tell them where you were and what you were doing -- I've found that as long as you're highly productive when you get back, no one cares about the details. In fact, getting into details tends to be the best way to get management off your back: all they mostly seem to want to know is if you will deliver on time, and details of how you will accomplish that may reduce their anxiety. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply abuse@aol.com tosspam@aol.com abuse@att.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@mci.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@shaw.ca abuse@telus.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov spam traps ###### From: Steve Burton Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:04:34 +0000 Lines: 57 Message-ID: <29310vguoo9tologuv13bepatn7vt97q5v@4ax.com> References:

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> <3E0056F9.2F6F74AA@ev1.net> <7ri00vc2ucpfr5ca1prre3dm2dkdeo3eoh@4ax.com> Reply-To: steve@sliderule.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: sliderule.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1040223873 9153 80.177.21.188 (18 Dec 2002 15:04:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:04:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124508 On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:36:17 GMT, Brian Inglis wrote: >On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:08:24 GMT, Charles Richmond > wrote: > >>"J. Clarke" wrote: >>> >>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >>> >>> Unfortunately this is something one has to deal with on occasion. The >>> way to do it is to track your productivity, assuming you have a manager >>> who doesn't think that "manager" is a synonym for "God". >>> >>But the "God" manager is *always* going to say...if you *stop* goofing >>off, you could accomplish much more for the company!!! >>> >>> Old story (possibly urban legend) about the Ford Motor Company. Ol' >>> Henry decided to bring in an efficiency expert. The guy went through >>> the company and ended up telling Henry "In every regard but one your >>> company is a model to be emulated. The one problem I see is a fellow >>> down the hall who sits there all day with his feet up on his desk and >>> his hands folded behind his head." Henry replied "Once that man came up >>> with an idea that saved this company tens of millions of dollars. When >>> he came up with it he was sitting with his feet up on his desk and his >>> hands folded behind his head." >>> >>Will you make yourself available...so when I get blasted by >>a manager for sitting and staring into the corner and thinking... >>will you come and explain to him/her that I am *really* doing >>my work??? > >Tell them you're thinking, and go into details about what you're >thinking and why, then ask them if they'd rather you did your >work without thinking? Call it planning your approach to the Easy. Apparently, I'm the only person in the department who says things *nobody* understands. No one has ever questioned whether I understand them. I've kept this up for years now and all it requires is that it all works and is maintainable. I suspect that's why most if not all of us are doing this. Making it work with no maintenance is the goal *and* what makes it fun ('cos I don't much like doing the maintenance). Steve. >day's work, the next task or phase, and they might understand >somewhat better. Or do what I do -- go somewhere else for a drink >and a think -- that way they can't see you thinking -- take your >materials or work with you -- if they ask where you were -- tell >them where you were and what you were doing -- I've found that as >long as you're highly productive when you get back, no one cares >about the details. In fact, getting into details tends to be the >best way to get management off your back: all they mostly seem to >want to know is if you will deliver on time, and details of how >you will accomplish that may reduce their anxiety. > >Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada ###### Message-ID: <3E00BCFD.D98756A0@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) References: <3df10643.12836648@news21.on.aibn.com>

<3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> <3E0056F9.2F6F74AA@ev1.net> <7ri00vc2ucpfr5ca1prre3dm2dkdeo3eoh@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1040228620 12.237.69.162 (Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:23:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:23:40 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:23:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124502 Brian Inglis wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > Tell them you're thinking, and go into details about what you're > thinking and why, then ask them if they'd rather you did your > work without thinking? Call it planning your approach to the > day's work, the next task or phase, and they might understand > somewhat better. Or do what I do -- go somewhere else for a drink > and a think -- that way they can't see you thinking -- take your > materials or work with you -- if they ask where you were -- tell > them where you were and what you were doing -- I've found that as > long as you're highly productive when you get back, no one cares > about the details. In fact, getting into details tends to be the > best way to get management off your back: all they mostly seem to > want to know is if you will deliver on time, and details of how > you will accomplish that may reduce their anxiety. > Somehow, when I give too many details...it always seems like I am equivocating or making excuses for why things are *not* done. To me, it always sounds as if I am trying to throw up a smoke screen... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3E00BDCE.6E5805CF@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Canine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Music to craft code by ... (Was Re: CP/M C compilers) References: <3DFB5B9C.8866469@ev1.net> <5lIK9.56251$hw3.7628@sccrnsc04> <3DFDB445.EAF9BA5E@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1040228833 12.237.69.162 (Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:27:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:27:13 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:27:13 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.ifi.unizh.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn11feed!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:124506 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > Ken Olsen knew about that. There was a guy who just walked around > the Mill. I was told that he didn't do anything but produce ideas. > If he had lived, the Official Personnel Classification Idiots > would have had damned difficult time assigning him a job code > that has no career path and no manager. > IIRC, Ken Olson is still alive...of course, he does *not* work for DEC now. But that is okay, because now there really is *no* DEC anymore... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+