From: J Ahlstrom Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: History of date format Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:56:27 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. Message-ID: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: sj-nntpcache-3!unknown@dhcp-171-69-75-3.cisco.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!triton.net!smallfeed.triton.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118357 Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy e.g. Mon Oct 01 11:17:09.123 2002 Thanks JKA -- Management used to have plans. Then it had strategic plans. Now it is supposed to have vision. We are only 1 step from hallucinations. after Richard Chait ###### Message-ID: <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:39:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.173.99 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1033501162 12.90.173.99 (Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:39:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:39:22 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118421 J Ahlstrom wrote: > > Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format > > day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy > e.g. > Mon Oct 01 11:17:09.123 2002 Who knows. However there is no excuse for using it in new software, when the ISO standard format is available 2002-10-01 11:17:09.123. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. USE worldnet address! ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> Organization: Honest Chris' Sysadmin Emporium X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Message-ID: Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:36:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.254.140.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-gui 1033551007 62.254.140.169 (Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:30:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:30:07 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-gui.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118454 According to J Ahlstrom : > Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format > > day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy I dunno. I never liked it much, it always struck me as being a bit messy and not very easy to read. Chris. -- "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" Neil, '84 Currently playing: Hawkwind - "Space Ritual" http://cbh.paunix.org My stuff, including genealogy, other things, etc ###### From: Taliesin2 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Organization: Lost In The Evergreens With The Animals Message-ID: <1eokpus655aou191o8veti8vjfripscm0q@4ax.com> References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/16.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 03:03:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.82.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1033527788 141.156.82.84 (Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:03:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:03:08 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118504 On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:39:22 GMT, CBFalconer wrote: >However there is no excuse for using it in new >software, when the ISO standard format is available 2002-10-01 >11:17:09.123. What is the ISO format & when did it become standard? ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:24:08 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> <1eokpus655aou191o8veti8vjfripscm0q@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-619.newsdawg.com Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118487 In article <1eokpus655aou191o8veti8vjfripscm0q@4ax.com>, Taliesin2 wrote: > What is the ISO format & when did it become standard? 8601, late 1980s, most recent revision is from 2000. -- Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship ###### From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Date: 2 Oct 2002 06:11:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> <871.39T2573T9715798@kltpzyxm.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.121.15.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033564276 30385 127.0.0.1 (2 Oct 2002 13:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:11:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118488 "Charlie Gibbs" wrote in message news:<871.39T2573T9715798@kltpzyxm.invalid>... > >J Ahlstrom wrote: > > > >> Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format > >> > >> day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy > >> e.g. > >> Mon Oct 01 11:17:09.123 2002 > ... > At the very least, the year should have been immediately after > the date. I suspect that the year was tacked on as an afterthought. Indeed, my copy of the V3 Unix man page for the "date" command shows no mention at all of the year. In particular: * DATE (I)'3/15/72'DATE (I) * * NAME date -- print and set the date * * SYNOPSIS date [ mmddhhmm ] * * DESCRIPTION If no argument is given, the current date is printed * to the second. * If an argument is given, the current date is set. * m is the month number; * d is the day number in the month; * h is the hour number (24 hour system); * m is the minute number. * For example: * * date 10080045 * * sets the date to Oct 8, 12:45 AM. Tim. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.147.131.211 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:13:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1033567985 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:13:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:13:05 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118446 On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:56:27 -0700, J Ahlstrom wrote: >Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format > > day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy >e.g. > Mon Oct 01 11:17:09.123 2002 for me: Mon Oct 1 11:17:09 EDT 2002 format "%a %b %e %T %Z %Y" is easy to remember and type? Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply abuse@aol.com tosspam@aol.com abuse@att.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@mci.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@shaw.ca abuse@telus.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov spam traps ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE From: eugene@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) NNTP-Posting-Host: sundance.cse.ucsc.edu Message-ID: <3d9b0e79$1@news.ucsc.edu> Date: 2 Oct 2002 08:19:21 -0800 X-Trace: 2 Oct 2002 08:19:21 -0800, sundance.cse.ucsc.edu Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.ucsc.edu!eugene Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118443 In article <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com>, J Ahlstrom wrote: >Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format > day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy Contact the NIST. Years ago when I visited the NBS (now Natl. Inst. of Standards and Technology) I picked up a book on the history of time and time keeping. It's buried in my library. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE From: eugene@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) NNTP-Posting-Host: sundance.cse.ucsc.edu Message-ID: <3d9b1183$1@news.ucsc.edu> Date: 2 Oct 2002 08:32:19 -0800 X-Trace: 2 Oct 2002 08:32:19 -0800, sundance.cse.ucsc.edu Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.ucsc.edu!eugene Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118439 In article , Chris Hedley wrote: >According to J Ahlstrom : >> Can anyone enlighten me with the history of the date format >> day mon dd hh:mm:ss.xxx yyyy > >I dunno. I never liked it much, it always struck me as being a bit >messy and not very easy to read. Could be worse. You could have this on a punch card and need Hollerith fields or COBOL PICTURE clauses to intepret variations of this. Thank your stars for blanks, colonn, and decimal points. It's just a format. Just wait 7998 years. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3d9b1183$1@news.ucsc.edu> Organization: Honest Chris' Sysadmin Emporium X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Message-ID: Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:11:05 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.254.140.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net 1033594110 62.254.140.169 (Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:28:30 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:28:30 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118517 According to Eugene Miya : > Could be worse. > You could have this on a punch card and need Hollerith fields > or COBOL PICTURE clauses to intepret variations of this. > Thank your stars for blanks, colonn, and decimal points. > > It's just a format. True enough, and there was plenty worse such as the old IBM (CICS?) favourite of YYDOY. Yummy. > Just wait 7998 years. Of course DEC made a big thing about VMS being compliant for that amount of time, and that the impending Y10K bug was "being looked into." Chris. -- "If the world was an orange it would be like much too small, y'know?" Neil, '84 Currently playing: Hawkwind - "Space Ritual" http://cbh.paunix.org My stuff, including genealogy, other things, etc ###### Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:06:49 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Message-ID: <20021003080649.313d7af4.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> <871.39T2573T9715798@kltpzyxm.invalid> <20021002195023.1b76c78b.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 03 Oct 2002 16:59:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: i1136.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: DXC=KR@0eiX>D?KUINA2DI_U[E1`\LnN2UYYA9_dXm>fAI;GhC_lbVB6eNK wrote: DR> (This also was the year of the "nixonflg"). It pauses syslogd ? Seriously I'll bite, what did the nixonflg do ? -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Date: 3 Oct 2002 01:42:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> <871.39T2573T9715798@kltpzyxm.invalid> <20021002195023.1b76c78b.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033634533 1560 127.0.0.1 (3 Oct 2002 08:42:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2002 08:42:13 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118571 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote in message news:<20021002195023.1b76c78b.steveo@eircom.net>... > On 2 Oct 2002 06:11:16 -0700 > shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) wrote: > > TS> Indeed, my copy of the V3 Unix man page for the "date" command shows > TS> no mention at all of the year. In particular: > > I think the history of ctime() may be more relevant, it is > specified quite carefully for that function and I'm pretty sure it's > always the same . The V3 Unix man page for CTIME indicates that it is clearly from the era when everything had to be rebuilt because the epoch was rolled forward every year. e.g. time was stored in a 32-bit int in terms of sixtieths of a second since the beginning of the year. See the accompanying man page for time(2): 'CTIME (III)'1/15/73'CTIME (III)' NAME ctime -- convert date and time to ASCII SYNOPSIS sys time mov $buffer,r2 jsr pc,ctime DESCRIPTION The output buffer is 16 characters long and the time has the format Oct 9 17:32:24\0 The input time must be in the r0 and r1 registers in the form returned by sys time. FILES kept in /lib/liba.a SEE ALSO ptime(III), time(II) DIAGNOSTICS -- BUGS The routine must be reassembled for leap year. Dec 31 is followed by Dec 32 and so on. 'TIME (II)'3/15/72'TIME (II)' NAME time -- get time of year SYNOPSIS sys time / time = 13. (time r0-r1) DESCRIPTION time returns the time since 00:00:00, Jan. 1, 1972, measured in sixtieths of a second. The high order word is in the r0 register and the low order is in the r1. SEE ALSO date(I), mdate(II) DIAGNOSTICS -- BUGS The time is stored in 32 bits. This guarantees a crisis every 2.26 years. ###### Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:48:38 +0200 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: History of date format Message-ID: <20021004074838.6521bbb2.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3D99C5AB.C4B6571D@cisco.com> <3D99E60B.83E709E9@yahoo.com> <871.39T2573T9715798@kltpzyxm.invalid> <20021002195023.1b76c78b.steveo@eircom.net> <20021003080649.313d7af4.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.8.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 04 Oct 2002 16:59:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: p3966.vwr.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: DXC=J`5[T[\kTGc0T9BkP@QO`nIa0@lQ`d;KPWE5C X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed.freenet.de!amsnews01.chello.com!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!news2.euro.net!postnews1.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:118620 On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:05:33 -0000 "Dennis Ritchie" wrote: DR> 1973-74 was the period not only of the heating up of Watergate, DR> but also a wide spreadspread energy (particularly gasoline) crisis. Right, also rampant infalation in right pondia. Then it stopped, petrol didn't get any cheaper but everyone stopped crying crisis. As a fourteen year old I found it most perplexing. DR> Eventually arguments involving kids waiting for schoolbuses in the DR> morning dark prevailed over the energy arguments. Sheesh, you had that sort of madness too. Thanks for the explanation. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/