From: "sandy" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:18:28 +0800 Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ad114-25.magix.com.sg X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!mawar1.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110963 How do I set up a computer system? ###### From: dgriffi@cs.csuabk.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: 30 Jun 2002 09:37:06 GMT Organization: CSUnet Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pegasus.cs.csubak.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc.edu!newshub.csu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110923 sandy wrote: > How do I set up a computer system? Have you aquired your computer system already? If so, you're all set except for one thing. Computer bugs are endemic to your part of the world. You will need to debug your computer before using it. Open up the computer and look at the motherboard. You should see several white, rectangular, wormlike things there. Those are binary caterpillars. They feed off stray bits and must be removed before they have a chance to pupate. If the caterpillars are left alone for 64 days, full grown computer bugs will burst out of your computer and fly around in search of more computers to infest. Use slipjoint or needlenose pliers to remove the wormy things, then smash them with something like a rock or ball-peen hammer to make sure they're dead. Those things hold on tight, so pull hard. When that's done, put a dollop of petroleum jelly in a small glass. Add a pinch of iron filings and a pinch of powdered aluminum. Pour some boiling water into a shallow bowl and put the glass in the bowl to allow the petroleum jelly to melt. Stir the mixture well with a wooden or bamboo skewer. Remove the glass from heat and dry off. Place in refrigerator for an hour or until the petroleum jelly is stiff. Smear the mixture on the parts of the motherboard where the binary caterpillars once fastened themselves. This will repel adult computer bugs and kill their eggs. -- David Griffith dgriffi@cs.csubak.edu ###### From: "Kate Wood" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:53:24 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110968 wrote in message news:afmjg2$3h0uj$1@hades.csu.net... > sandy wrote: > > How do I set up a computer system? > > Have you aquired your computer system already? If so, you're all set > except for one thing. Computer bugs are endemic to your part of the > world. You will need to debug your computer before using it. Open up the > computer and look at the motherboard. You should see several white, > rectangular, wormlike things there. Those are binary caterpillars. They > feed off stray bits and must be removed before they have a chance to > pupate. If the caterpillars are left alone for 64 days, full grown > computer bugs will burst out of your computer and fly around in search of > more computers to infest. > > Use slipjoint or needlenose pliers to remove the wormy things, then smash > them with something like a rock or ball-peen hammer to make sure they're > dead. Those things hold on tight, so pull hard. When that's done, put a > dollop of petroleum jelly in a small glass. Add a pinch of iron filings > and a pinch of powdered aluminum. Pour some boiling water into a shallow > bowl and put the glass in the bowl to allow the petroleum jelly to melt. > Stir the mixture well with a wooden or bamboo skewer. Remove the glass > from heat and dry off. Place in refrigerator for an hour or until the > petroleum jelly is stiff. Smear the mixture on the parts of the > motherboard where the binary caterpillars once fastened themselves. This > will repel adult computer bugs and kill their eggs. > > > -- > David Griffith > dgriffi@cs.csubak.edu Now, that' s mean! Everyone knows the only way to kill those things is with direct application of a mixture of coke and cigarette ashes (after you've pulled them off, of course). Kate ###### Message-ID: <3D1F23EE.552D7D79@bigvalley.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:29:06 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@bigvalley.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 X-Abuse-Report: Send abuse reports to abuse@teranews.com Organization: http://www.TeraNews.com - FREE NNTP Access Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!reseller.nntpserver.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110916 If it is one of those 'windows' machines, they operate best on a windowsill (hence the motto 'runs on windows') just use it to prop open your window (helps keep the unit cool too. Now in order to start the machine, you have to 'boot' it. Just give it a good swift kick right in the front. It'll be 'flying' on no time! Sometimes just after a booting there may experience a 'system crash' (usually accompanied by a loud sound, and possibly smoke coming out of the unit), if so take it back to the dealer and get a replacement unit and try these steps again. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Set your 8-bit C= rigs to sail for http://www.portcommodore.com/ 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:58:58 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-806.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110984 In article , "sandy" wrote: > How do I set up a computer system? First, you find a nice office space. Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a depressed floor, or if none of those are available, you install cable conduits hanging from the ceiling. Figure out your floor plan. Next, you arrange for 240V, 3-phase power points in appropriate locations. Arrange for communications. Set up your communications equipment once your OC-3 is finally installed. Move your system into the computer room, and set up all the connections. -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: 30 Jun 2002 16:46:56 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1025455616 24295 134.117.136.30 (30 Jun 2002 16:46:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2002 16:46:56 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110953 Howard S Shubs (howard@shubs.net) writes: > In article , > "sandy" wrote: > >> How do I set up a computer system? > > First, you find a nice office space. > Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a > depressed floor, IDJIT! Never heard of stairs? A raised floor with +'ve pressure air conditioning is the standard for System 360 and onward. Can't roll in that 1403 printer with stairs, you say. Well what the heck are cranes and removable windows for! (System 360 model 50 craned into the 15th floor of Place de Ville Tower C 1971 for the Ministry of Transport.) ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:54:33 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: User-Agent: tin/1.5.12-20020427 ("Sugar") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110973 Howard S Shubs wrote: > In article , > "sandy" wrote: > >> How do I set up a computer system? > > First, you find a nice office space. > Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a > depressed floor, or if none of those are available, you install cable > conduits hanging from the ceiling. > Figure out your floor plan. > Next, you arrange for 240V, 3-phase power points in appropriate > locations. > Arrange for communications. > Set up your communications equipment once your OC-3 is finally installed. > Move your system into the computer room, and set up all the connections. > You forgot to tell him to get some nice big Halon extinguishers. (And don't forget the Molly Guard!) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "serious sport has nothing to do with fair play" - orwell ###### From: Pete Fenelon Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:56:18 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Sender: Pete Fenelon References: User-Agent: tin/1.5.12-20020427 ("Sugar") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.5-STABLE (i386)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110969 Heinz W. Wiggeshoff wrote: > Howard S Shubs (howard@shubs.net) writes: >> In article , >> "sandy" wrote: >> >>> How do I set up a computer system? >> >> First, you find a nice office space. >> Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a >> depressed floor, > > IDJIT! Never heard of stairs? A raised floor with +'ve pressure air > conditioning is the standard for System 360 and onward. Can't roll > in that 1403 printer with stairs, you say. Well what the heck are > cranes and removable windows for! > > (System 360 model 50 craned into the 15th floor of Place de Ville > Tower C 1971 for the Ministry of Transport.) Best peripheral installation I ever saw was the Rover 214GTI that was craned into the Psychology building at Leeds University to act as the controller for the Driving Simulator they were building there in the early nineties. :) Couple of walls came down and windows were removed for it - I can probably find some photos of it - a friend was technical lead on that project :) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "serious sport has nothing to do with fair play" - orwell ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: 30 Jun 2002 17:28:56 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1025458136 27322 134.117.136.30 (30 Jun 2002 17:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2002 17:28:56 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110958 Pete Fenelon (pete@fenelon.com) writes: > > You forgot to tell him to get some nice big Halon extinguishers. > (And don't forget the Molly Guard!) Molly? I know about Pinkerton's. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:39:09 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-548.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110986 In article , Pete Fenelon wrote: > Howard S Shubs wrote: > > In article , > > "sandy" wrote: > > > >> How do I set up a computer system? > > > > First, you find a nice office space. > > Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a > > depressed floor, or if none of those are available, you install cable > > conduits hanging from the ceiling. > > Figure out your floor plan. > > Next, you arrange for 240V, 3-phase power points in appropriate > > locations. > > Arrange for communications. > > Set up your communications equipment once your OC-3 is finally installed. > > Move your system into the computer room, and set up all the connections. > > > > You forgot to tell him to get some nice big Halon extinguishers. > (And don't forget the Molly Guard!) Yep, you got me! -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:40:58 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-589.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-hub.siol.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110983 In article , ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) wrote: > IDJIT! Never heard of stairs? A raised floor with +'ve pressure air > conditioning is the standard for System 360 and onward. Can't roll > in that 1403 printer with stairs, you say. Well what the heck are > cranes and removable windows for! > > (System 360 model 50 craned into the 15th floor of Place de Ville > Tower C 1971 for the Ministry of Transport.) Or a ramp, for that matter. Good idea. I considered mentioning a freight elevator, but what if the "nice office space" is on the first floor? -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### Message-ID: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> From: Joe Yuska X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.67.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1025461103 24.91.67.33 (Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:23 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110889 Howard S Shubs wrote: > In article , > "sandy" wrote: > > > How do I set up a computer system? > > First, you find a nice office space. > Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a > depressed floor, or if none of those are available, you install cable > conduits hanging from the ceiling. > Figure out your floor plan. > Next, you arrange for 240V, 3-phase power points in appropriate > locations. > Arrange for communications. > Set up your communications equipment once your OC-3 is finally installed. > Move your system into the computer room, and set up all the connections. You forgot the 35-ton Liebert for the peripherals, and the 400 Hz motor-generators and water chiller system for the mainframe. Joe Yuska ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:51:09 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-225.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!216.148.52.16!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110982 In article <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com>, Joe Yuska wrote: > You forgot the 35-ton Liebert for the peripherals, and the 400 Hz > motor-generators and water chiller system for the mainframe. Oh yes, and the air conditioning in general! -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i386-msvc-nt4.0.1381) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HKvHSQQA/hrz6YlMDM+w/GS43CE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:05:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.56.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025467525 65.58.56.63 (Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:05:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:05:25 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!03b822ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110938 Joe Yuska writes: > You forgot the 35-ton Liebert for the peripherals, and the 400 Hz > motor-generators and water chiller system for the mainframe. in addition to the PDUs and the water chillers ... these days many places, you have to have the water tank on the roof of the building for water recycling instead of just having a 4inch or larger water pipe just dumping water into the sewer. some cases you might run into room loading limits and have to figure out some other solution to high volume water flow straight into the sewer. some past related discussions on pdus, water chillers and tanks: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#82 write rings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#85 Mainframe power failure (somehow morphed from Re: write rings) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#86 write rings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#61 Where do the filesystem and RAID system belong? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#40 info http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#62 ibm icecube -- return of watercooling? -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: 30 Jun 2002 20:59:14 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1025470754 12562 134.117.136.30 (30 Jun 2002 20:59:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2002 20:59:14 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:110952 Howard S Shubs (howard@shubs.net) writes: ... > Or a ramp, for that matter. Good idea. I considered mentioning a > freight elevator, but what if the "nice office space" is on the first > floor? That was in them days. Today, it's a security risk. Gasoline tankers and all that. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:58:38 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-425.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111063 In article <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com>, Joe Yuska wrote: > The building is gone now, but some of the > geezers who used to commute by there > were treated to the sight of rilly rilly strange ducting running out of that > side of the building. So -that's- what that was for! You're talking about the big rectangular building -right- next to I93, yes? Just south of the on-ramp? -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### Message-ID: <3D1FD122.59207FE1@attbi.com> From: Joe Yuska X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.67.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1025495132 24.91.67.33 (Mon, 01 Jul 2002 03:45:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 03:45:32 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 03:45:33 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111071 Howard S Shubs wrote: > In article <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com>, Joe Yuska > wrote: > > > The building is gone now, but some of the > > geezers who used to commute by there > > were treated to the sight of rilly rilly strange ducting running out of that > > side of the building. > > So -that's- what that was for! You're talking about the big rectangular > building -right- next to I93, yes? Just south of the on-ramp? Yup. That's the one. Over the years I've wished that I had taken some pictures of that. Lot of skull sweat on the part of the CDC site people went into it. Great example of localization effects. Joe Yuska ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Doc Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:42:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.69.205.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1025523722 66.69.205.118 (Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:42:02 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:42:02 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111056 On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:16:08 -0400, Roland Hutchinson wrote: > Heinz W. Wiggeshoff wrote: > >> Pete Fenelon (pete@fenelon.com) writes: >>> >>> You forgot to tell him to get some nice big Halon extinguishers. >>> (And don't forget the Molly Guard!) >> >> Molly? I know about Pinkerton's. > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/molly-guard.html Hey! My PDP-11/53 (BA23 deskside) has one of those! A 5x6 plexiglas shield Velcro'd to the front bezel, over the switch panel. It's the only thing that isn't out-of-box original, and it irritated me no end. Till the second time I halted the system with my knee on the way by.... I sometimes teach Linux Security classes, and the students always come in expecting security a la James Bond. I use that guard first thing to illustrate basic physical protection. Sort of gets their heads right for the rest of the class. Thanks for providing the proper technical terminology! Doc ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:46:30 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> <3D1FD122.59207FE1@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-992.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111062 In article <3D1FD122.59207FE1@attbi.com>, Joe Yuska wrote: > Yup. That's the one. Over the years I've wished that I had taken some > pictures > of that. Lot of skull sweat on the part of the CDC site people went into it. > Great example of localization effects. Who knew? I suspect you can find pictures which -include- that building, even if they don't feature it specifically. Why was it built so heavily? Do you know? -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i386-msvc-nt4.0.1381) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xQ7FfELhAspQMDPzA8b8Foo6uQo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:59:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.59.23.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025531947 65.59.23.241 (Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:59:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:59:07 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!03b822ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111037 Howard S Shubs writes: > So -that's- what that was for! You're talking about the big rectangular > building -right- next to I93, yes? Just south of the on-ramp? remember when they had momentary abberration and considered not completing i93. the issue was there is this existing elevated section coming down from the north that was four lanes .... with traffic having strong y-split at north station/garden. i93 elevated with four lanes would feed into the same elevating section about 100yards(?) before the traffic y-split pattern ... creating a strong x-traffic pattern ... in addition to merging from 8 lanes for 4. When somebody realized that the architect messed up in the design and "in theory" you would have two streams of cars traveling at 55 MPH effectively crossing each other in a very short physical space ... they realized they would have to dump all the i93 traffic off into the streets before the elevated merge and the last couple mile section of i93 would never be used. The issue that was investigated that since the last couple mile section was never going to be opened .... whether is was worthwhile actually building that section. The analysis in the press was that it would cost the state something like $50m in construction penalties if it canceled the building of the remaining section ... and $200m to finish building the section. However since it was supposedly an interstate (even tho it would never meet any interstate standards .... that even if they ever did open the section for traffic ... the speed limit ... because of the upcoming merge ... and strong "X" traffic pattern would fail interstate standards), the federal gov. paid 90 percent (would only actually cost the state $20m to complete). -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### Message-ID: <3D209718.32257B07@attbi.com> From: Joe Yuska X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.67.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1025545855 24.91.67.33 (Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:50:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:50:55 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:50:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111069 Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > Howard S Shubs writes: > > So -that's- what that was for! You're talking about the big rectangular > > building -right- next to I93, yes? Just south of the on-ramp? > > remember when they had momentary abberration and considered not > completing i93. > > the issue was there is this existing elevated section coming down from > the north that was four lanes .... with traffic having strong y-split > at north station/garden. i93 elevated with four lanes would feed into > the same elevating section about 100yards(?) before the traffic > y-split pattern ... creating a strong x-traffic pattern ... in > addition to merging from 8 lanes for 4. > > When somebody realized that the architect messed up in the design and > "in theory" you would have two streams of cars traveling at 55 MPH > effectively crossing each other in a very short physical space It was actually even more complicated than that. The original plan was also to build an "inner beltway" accross parts of Boston and Cambridge that would empty out on I93 just north of the other merge. The final segment of 93 was actually built with a ramp to nowhere to accomodate this.Another piece of the pllan was to extend I95 from Dedham up through the southwest sections of Boston to meet the expressway just south of the city. In this triumph of demented engineering downtown Boston truly would have been the Hub of The Universe where everyone arrives and no one departs. > > ... they realized they would have to dump all the i93 traffic off into > the streets before the elevated merge and the last couple mile section > of i93 would never be used. In fact, for several (I wanna say almost 10) years they did in fact do just that. The divided highway segment of I93 ended in scenic Somerville and you travelled a couple of miles on city streets. Now throw into this mix the anti-automobile policies of the Honorable Michael Dukakis, governor of the Commonwealth. Among other things, he cancels the I-95 section and the inner beltway. All the land had been taken for the former, and lay fallow for almost 20 years. While I'm not going to rehash the pros and cons of the beltway, it was the only part of the project that would have alleviated the congestion in the downtown area. With it the Big Dig would have been far less traumatic than it has turned out. Joe Yuska ###### From: "Eric S. Harris" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:18:33 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> References: Reply-To: eric_harris_76@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b7.27.a2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 2002 19:19:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!eusc.inter.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111024 sandy wrote: > > How do I set up a computer system? First you get it over-confident in its own abilities or convince it of your own good intentions regarding its welfare. Then ask it to trust its abilities or you in a matter where there is much to lose (for the computer) and much (for you) to gain, if that trust is ill-advised. Then take the goods and run. For examples, see "The Spanish Prisoner" (the movie) or any description of "hustle" (as in, "pool hustler"). Hope this helps. -Eric S. -- E-mail privacy: http://www.theclairefiles.com/Personal/libspriv.html (Perhaps a bit over-cautious, she is. Perhaps.) ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 23 Message-ID: <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3646.vwr.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1025571669 96912 212.129.226.70 (2 Jul 2002 01:01:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 01:01:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111120 On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:18:33 -0500 "Eric S. Harris" wrote: ESH> sandy wrote: ESH> > ESH> > How do I set up a computer system? ESH> ESH> First you get it over-confident in its own abilities or convince it of your own I suppose this comes about the same time as: "As computers reach the threshold of human intelligence it will become possible ... and soon after that *necessary* to *bribe* them." Spider Robinson. For now you can try bribing the programmers (now what's the emoticon for that gesture ?). -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:21:16 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-825.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111128 In article , Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > remember when they had momentary abberration and considered not > completing i93. I take it that this was during the original construction, not the current stuff. That "intersection" was one of the worst bits of civil engineering I've ever seen. -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### Message-ID: <3D214544.9030604@meowing.net> From: itsy bitsy meowbot <53ab2750@meowing.net> Organization: a tyranny of meowing fascist censor cabalists User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: <3D1F4C51.7AB7D575@attbi.com> <3D1F98BC.355D7196@attbi.com> <3D209718.32257B07@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 06:16:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.154.209.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1025590602 141.154.209.21 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:16:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:16:42 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111075 Joe Yuska wrote: > Now throw into this mix the anti-automobile policies of the Honorable Michael > Dukakis, governor of the Commonwealth. Among other things, he cancels the > I-95 section and the inner beltway. All the land had been taken for the > former, and lay fallow for almost 20 years. While I'm not going to rehash > the pros and cons of the beltway, it was the only part of the project that > would have alleviated the congestion in the downtown area. With it the Big > Dig would have been far less traumatic than it has turned out. The I-695 cancellation, and diversion of I-95 onto 128 instead of into town were done by Sargent. This surprised a lot of folks because before getting elected he was in the highway dept. and had supported the project. A new Fed. law at the time that let Mass. keep the Interstate money to spend on other transportation projects made it somewhat attractive, especially since Fed. guidelines on land taking were in major flux during that period and making it really, really hard to secure a final route that would get funded. One thing's for sure, that the current wacko-expensive tunnel project could have been avoided if the inner belt was built. The transition between the southern portion of I-95 and the former 128 is a friggin' mess to this day, since it still uses part of the half-abandoned cloverleaf left from the older plan. Squeezing a whole interstate into one lane was a hell of a brilliant move. So was the recent expansion of the University Ave. Amtrak station right in the middle of that knot, but I digress. Part of the original I-95 route did eventually get built, as Melnea Cass Blvd. ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.67.16.79 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 06:58:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1025593133 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 00:58:53 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 00:58:53 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111076 On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:18:33 -0500 >"Eric S. Harris" wrote: > >ESH> sandy wrote: >ESH> > >ESH> > How do I set up a computer system? >ESH> >ESH> First you get it over-confident in its own abilities or convince it of your own > > I suppose this comes about the same time as: > > "As computers reach the threshold of human intelligence it will >become possible ... and soon after that *necessary* to *bribe* them." >Spider Robinson. > > For now you can try bribing the programmers (now what's the >emoticon for that gesture ?). As always: pizza and beer! <) []? -- Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov spam traps ###### Message-ID: <3D21586B.91805B25@bellsouth.net> From: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" Reply-To: urjlew@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 03:35:35 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 03:38:19 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111087 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:18:33 -0500 > "Eric S. Harris" wrote: > > ESH> sandy wrote: > ESH> > > ESH> > How do I set up a computer system? > ESH> > ESH> First you get it over-confident in its own abilities or convince it of your own > > I suppose this comes about the same time as: > > "As computers reach the threshold of human intelligence it will > become possible ... and soon after that *necessary* to *bribe* them." > Spider Robinson. > > For now you can try bribing the programmers (now what's the > emoticon for that gesture ?). > $$$ :)) ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Wed, 03 Jul 02 10:41:26 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY5srAn0wA6dw7YBGJ8JylfDp8RpldN5gWiZ4jbS3+TImnKaQJ4VPjw X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2002 11:42:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-119 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111207 In article <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 06:58:53 GMT >Brian Inglis wrote: > >BI> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith >BI> wrote: > >BI> > For now you can try bribing the programmers (now what's the >BI> >emoticon for that gesture ?). >BI> >BI> As always: pizza and beer! <) []? > > Nah, I wanted the one for folding stuff delivered discretely :) Wow! You do come cheap. Does have to punched or do you accept blank papertape? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:16:28 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 18 Message-ID: <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3489.vwr.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1025658070 62866 212.129.225.169 (3 Jul 2002 01:01:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:01:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111223 On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 06:58:53 GMT Brian Inglis wrote: BI> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith BI> wrote: BI> > For now you can try bribing the programmers (now what's the BI> >emoticon for that gesture ?). BI> BI> As always: pizza and beer! <) []? Nah, I wanted the one for folding stuff delivered discretely :) -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.67.16.79 From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: <10p4iusu0eak065pfif4tbihqdd9hgbjor@4ax.com> References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:41:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1025664103 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:41:43 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:41:43 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111260 On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:16:28 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 06:58:53 GMT >Brian Inglis wrote: > >BI> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith >BI> wrote: > >BI> > For now you can try bribing the programmers (now what's the >BI> >emoticon for that gesture ?). >BI> >BI> As always: pizza and beer! <) []? > > Nah, I wanted the one for folding stuff delivered discretely :) Maybe the continuous magnetic non-folding stuff would be more discreet than the discrete non-magnetic folding stuff? -- Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov spam traps ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:04:49 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 21 Message-ID: <20020703180449.60ca2e10.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net> <10p4iusu0eak065pfif4tbihqdd9hgbjor@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3238.vwr.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1025715617 50301 212.129.224.174 (3 Jul 2002 17:00:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:00:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsmaster-01.atnet.at!atnet.at!newsrouter.chello.at!amsnews01.chello.com!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111233 On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:41:43 GMT Brian Inglis wrote: BI> On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:16:28 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith BI> wrote: BI> > Nah, I wanted the one for folding stuff delivered discretely :) BI> BI> Maybe the continuous magnetic non-folding stuff would be more BI> discreet than the discrete non-magnetic folding stuff? Ooops xp error - that pun was not intended (for once). A continuous flow sounds more like blackmail than a good honest bribe, but it'll do :) Anyway I'm still looking for that emoticon, it may come in handy. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:02:30 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-Trace: betanews.demon.co.uk 1025715728 9897 194.222.24.177 (3 Jul 2002 17:02:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111248 In article , Pete Fenelon wrote: > You forgot to tell him to get some nice big Halon extinguishers. > (And don't forget the Molly Guard!) And to hire a good staff of operators. Gotta have someone to write MOTD and load the tapes. Simon. -- http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | The problem with America is stupidity. [...] No junk email please. | Why don't we just take the safety labels off | everything and let the problem solve itself? THE FRENCH WAS THERE | -- on IRC ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Fri, 05 Jul 02 09:49:17 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZarlt4qWPKiJbPwk0/xC1OZWjVoS3PwIdHdCwf80I4gIt1VNlA+L9o X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 10:50:44 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!208-59-181-125 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111337 In article , quirk@swcp.com (Taki Kogoma) wrote: >On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200, did Steve O'Hara-Smith , >to alt.folklore.computers decree... >>On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:18:33 -0500 >>"Eric S. Harris" wrote: >>ESH> sandy wrote: >>ESH> > How do I set up a computer system? >>ESH> >>ESH> First you get it over-confident in its own abilities or convince it of your own >> >> I suppose this comes about the same time as: >> >> "As computers reach the threshold of human intelligence it will >>become possible ... and soon after that *necessary* to *bribe* them." >>Spider Robinson. > >You know, anthropomophizing computers isn't a very good idea. > >Gym "They really *hate* it when you do that." Quirk > Yes. ;-) They do get cranky if you start out their day with an insult. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:30:43 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 30 Message-ID: <20020703223043.4c9d4b4c.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: i1212.vwr.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1025744469 39003 194.134.212.193 (4 Jul 2002 01:01:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:01:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111422 On Wed, 03 Jul 02 10:41:26 GMT jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: JC> In article <20020702201628.5012591a.steveo@eircom.net>, JC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: JC> > Nah, I wanted the one for folding stuff delivered discretely :) JC> JC> Wow! You do come cheap. Does have to punched or do you accept JC> blank papertape? Argh NO! Not tape - Never again, No! Not paper tape. Copy, stop, step, step, step, step, type, punch off, (DAMN! it was off - redo - now as we were), punch off, step, step, step, step ...., punch on, copy, stop, step ... All to the dulcet tones of an ASR33 (or several) in full thrunge. I was in heaven the first time I got to use an 029 card punch and had a drawer to put cards in :) May the next person that tells me that vi and/or emacs aren't user friendly get an ASR33 and a few three inch thick rolls of paper tape to edit :) I will accept (provisionally, subject to clearance) fanfold forms with the right printing on them :) -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system References: X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: mrr@acer.reistad.priv.no (Morten Reistad) Originator: mrr@acer.reistad.priv.no (Morten Reistad) Message-ID: Lines: 86 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 09:13:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.71.26.5 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1025773982 193.71.26.5 (Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:13:02 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:13:02 MET DST Organization: KPNQwest customer news service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111437 According to Heinz W. Wiggeshoff : >Howard S Shubs (howard@shubs.net) writes: >> In article , >> "sandy" wrote: >> >>> How do I set up a computer system? >> >> First, you find a nice office space. >> Then, you have a good computer room floor installed in a room with a >> depressed floor, Office space? Computers live best in basements and bunkers! And see too it that you own, not lease. You need 100% clear right and title to what you are going to do to the buildings and/or bunkers. Personally I see a lot of advantage to staying completely inside mountains with computer installations. You can get very anonymous this way. Also, you need to thoroughly study the "site preparation guide"s for the equipment you plan to install. See to it that access is not a problem; all lifts and corridors should be able to handle at least a cluster of 6 19" racks mounted together, and a weight of 10+ tons. Direct access with trailers is a definate plus.Cranes tend to get expensive in the long run. Roads should be adequate for a 25 ton trailer to deliver the stuff. Also, check the weight distribution of your equipment. Next, you must install proper electricty feeds. Rememeber you must take the electricty on industrial contracts, so feeds from 2-3 different providers will helt enourmously when you negotiate prices later. Also, throw in a couple of generators for good measure. The people in this group will probably debate whether Diesels or Natural Gas genllaerators have the best track record, but for a small to medium installation (not exceeding 10k sq ft) I'd go for a couple of 400KW diesels. And remember to get proper consessions to run them on the grid, and get reasonable allowances for CO2 emissions. (This is why you don't really want this in the vicinity of office space. Not really near any city either, come to think of it). Next, you need to feed this to a set of UPS'es and suitable battery banks. Batteries need a lot of care, so it is probably best to keep this in separate rooms with good ventilation. Keep at least 2 separate battery strings for each UPS: Keep away from the monster UPS'es; you should split them at loads of around 400 KVA ; and match to the diesel installation. Also, don't forget decent 48V DC for the comms equipment.Remember to keep at least two battery strings per feed. Cooling is an issue too. Commercial AC tends to get expensive; there is really a lot of money to be saved on all that environmentalist stuff with "green houses" etc. in this field. Computers also get lower energy densities, but they tend to get packed denser. This is the area where you may have to do some research to get a good commercial(or military) installallation going. This is the main reason for the raised flooring. It does tend to hide cable clutter though, so be strict with cable conduits for different types of cable. Next, you can bring in communications. Bring in a lot of conduit, well subdivided, but don't pull in too much fiber at once. A couple of 24-pair G.652, possibly with some G.655, will do nicely for starters. Get connected via at least two different COs, preferrably from different carriers. And then the comms equipment. Make decent room for all the carriers you want to use, and then some. Install decent ODFs and DDFs for cross-connects. Next, hire a small militia for security. But don't let them inside the installation. THEN you can bring in the computers. Relevance for AFC? Sure. With the current glut of such space noone is going to build any more for at least a decade. -- morten ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:16:16 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-141.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!eusc.inter.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!216.148.52.16!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111439 In article , mrr@acer.reistad.priv.no (Morten Reistad) wrote: > Relevance for AFC? Sure. With the current glut of such space noone > is going to build any more for at least a decade. Ah, it's just fun to spec such a facility. Given unlimited money and a mountain, or even just a good amount of solid bedrock, what can be done? -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? ###### From: quirk@swcp.com (Taki Kogoma) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: 4 Jul 2002 10:49:10 -0600 Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorrow Afternoon Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: boofura.swcp.com X-Trace: iruka.swcp.com 1025801353 14955 198.59.115.28 (4 Jul 2002 16:49:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@swcp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!feeder.nmix.net!feeder.swcp.com!news.swcp.com!boofura.swcp.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111335 On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:20:03 +0200, did Steve O'Hara-Smith , to alt.folklore.computers decree... >On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:18:33 -0500 >"Eric S. Harris" wrote: >ESH> sandy wrote: >ESH> > How do I set up a computer system? >ESH> >ESH> First you get it over-confident in its own abilities or convince it of your own > > I suppose this comes about the same time as: > > "As computers reach the threshold of human intelligence it will >become possible ... and soon after that *necessary* to *bribe* them." >Spider Robinson. You know, anthropomophizing computers isn't a very good idea. Gym "They really *hate* it when you do that." Quirk -- Capt. Gym Z. Quirk | "I'll get a life when someone (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) | demonstrates that it would be quirk @ swcp.com | superior to what I have now." Veteran of the '91 sf-lovers re-org. | -- Gym Quirk ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Mon, 08 Jul 02 10:11:09 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaqC1TyZcqAcSDkcFK3CmEobdRRUIgE7iV4qlTdp/HH8qQeEmviApOZ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2002 11:13:07 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsmaster-01.atnet.at!atnet.at!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-75 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111588 In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: It occurred to me that nobody talked about the installing the machines that will feed the baby^Wsystem sitters nor the phone lists of the takeout that delivers the best pizza. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Barry OGrady Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: how to set up a computer system Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:00:27 +1000 Organization: Church of Satan Reply-To: god_free_jones@hotmail.com Message-ID: References: <3D20AB09.F5BE7030@mindspring.com> <20020701232003.7d9b25fb.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.142.164.27 X-Trace: 1026187239 11269 198.142.164.27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:111826 On Mon, 08 Jul 02 10:11:09 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > >It occurred to me that nobody talked about the installing >the machines that will feed the baby^Wsystem sitters nor >the phone lists of the takeout that delivers the best pizza. The good pizza places use Customnet One Three. >/BAH > >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. -Barry ======== Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information. Voicemail/fax number +14136227640