Message-ID: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Essential JMF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc54 1018387827 12.237.69.87 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:30:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:30:27 GMT Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:30:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc54.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11034 alt.folklore.computers:105751 As I was browsing through the book section of an electrnics discount store, I saw a book with three large letters on the front..."JMF". Having read many of BAH's posts here where she mentions JMF, I had to have a look. It turns out the title of the book is _Essential JMF - Java Media Framework_. So perhaps BAH should add this book to her bookshelf. Or perhaps she should write her own book on _Essential JMF_... Question: Is Java Media Framework the flavor of the week this week??? -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF Date: 09 Apr 02 21:51:07 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <864.864T384T13113581@sky.bus.com> References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-143.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10999 alt.folklore.computers:105612 In article <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net (Charles Richmond) writes: >As I was browsing through the book section of an electrnics >discount store, I saw a book with three large letters on the >front..."JMF". Having read many of BAH's posts here where she >mentions JMF, I had to have a look. > >It turns out the title of the book is _Essential JMF - Java >Media Framework_. So perhaps BAH should add this book to her >bookshelf. Or perhaps she should write her own book on >_Essential JMF_... Oooh, you are cruel. >Question: Is Java Media Framework the flavor of the week >this week??? I don't know. Ask me next week. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. I don't read top-posted messages. If you want me to see your reply, appropriately trim the quoted text and put your reply below it. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF Date: Sun, 14 Apr 02 07:43:41 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> <864.864T384T13113581@sky.bus.com> <3CB477EA.D53E4205@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa0xF7SVw7+0lmM3m0AYHxwOxbhh8AKkSsHFxSXutSCv+FTAe2CbzvT X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2002 11:07:45 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-255-34 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11096 alt.folklore.computers:106007 In article <3CB477EA.D53E4205@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: >Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >> In article <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net >> (Charles Richmond) writes: >> >> >As I was browsing through the book section of an electrnics >> >discount store, I saw a book with three large letters on the >> >front..."JMF". Having read many of BAH's posts here where she >> >mentions JMF, I had to have a look. >> > >> >It turns out the title of the book is _Essential JMF - Java >> >Media Framework_. So perhaps BAH should add this book to her >> >bookshelf. Or perhaps she should write her own book on >> >_Essential JMF_... >> >> Oooh, you are cruel. >> >How so??? I did *not* intend to be cruel. BAH has great >information about the DEC computer workings in the 1970's. >And she has a unique outlook on programming and OS development. That could be taken both ways. Uniqueness is not always popular nor accepted. :-) > >It just surprised me that James Flemings' initials should >scream out from the cover of a book... And BAH should write >a book about her opinions and experiences with DEC. Writing is not fun for me. In the past, I've said to my supervisors that, even if they paid me a million dollars/day, I wouldn't write for a living. > .. She is >at a time in her life...where it will *not* matter much if >DEC (or Compaq or HP) decides to sue her... I have a very minimal income. It would matter. >> >> >Question: Is Java Media Framework the flavor of the week >> >this week??? >> >> I don't know. Ask me next week. >> >Next week is *too* late...then there will be *another* flavor >of the week... > When the rest of the -10 monitor initials appear on book spines, I'll begin to wonder exactly what the Java people think they're doing. :-) /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Rupert Pigott" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-129-190.btinternet.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1018446286 22329 213.1.129.190 (10 Apr 2002 13:44:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:44:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!194.159.246.34.MISMATCH!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11016 alt.folklore.computers:105697 "Charles Richmond" wrote in message news:3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net... > As I was browsing through the book section of an electrnics > discount store, I saw a book with three large letters on the > front..."JMF". Having read many of BAH's posts here where she > mentions JMF, I had to have a look. Anyone else starting to fret a little that Barb hasn't bitten on this post yet... Missing her already. :( [SNIP] Cheers, Rupert ###### Message-ID: <3CB477EA.D53E4205@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> <864.864T384T13113581@sky.bus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1018452968 12.237.69.87 (Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:36:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:36:08 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:36:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!xmission!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11033 alt.folklore.computers:105749 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net > (Charles Richmond) writes: > > >As I was browsing through the book section of an electrnics > >discount store, I saw a book with three large letters on the > >front..."JMF". Having read many of BAH's posts here where she > >mentions JMF, I had to have a look. > > > >It turns out the title of the book is _Essential JMF - Java > >Media Framework_. So perhaps BAH should add this book to her > >bookshelf. Or perhaps she should write her own book on > >_Essential JMF_... > > Oooh, you are cruel. > How so??? I did *not* intend to be cruel. BAH has great information about the DEC computer workings in the 1970's. And she has a unique outlook on programming and OS development. It just surprised me that James Flemings' initials should scream out from the cover of a book... And BAH should write a book about her opinions and experiences with DEC. She is at a time in her life...where it will *not* matter much if DEC (or Compaq or HP) decides to sue her... > > >Question: Is Java Media Framework the flavor of the week > >this week??? > > I don't know. Ask me next week. > Next week is *too* late...then there will be *another* flavor of the week... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3CBA3232.CCFF41CE@bartek.dontspamme.net> From: Arthur Krewat X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> <864.864T384T13113581@sky.bus.com> <3CB477EA.D53E4205@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:50:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.186.100.134 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 1018835441 24.186.100.134 (Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:50:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:50:41 EDT Organization: Optimum Online Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11101 alt.folklore.computers:106113 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > When the rest of the -10 monitor initials appear on book spines, > I'll begin to wonder exactly what the Java people think they're > doing. :-) Stanford had -10's, didn't they? :) aak ###### From: Mark Crispin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:35:21 -0700 Organization: Networks and Distributed Computing Lines: 91 Message-ID: References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> <864.864T384T13113581@sky.bus.com> <3CB477EA.D53E4205@ev1.net> <3CBA3232.CCFF41CE@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva1.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 1018848923 23254 (None) 140.142.17.39 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3CBA3232.CCFF41CE@bartek.dontspamme.net> Content-Length: 314159 (believe this at your own risk) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!140.142.17.34.MISMATCH!news.u.washington.edu!shiva1.cac.washington.edu!mrc Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11100 alt.folklore.computers:106104 On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Arthur Krewat wrote: > Stanford had -10's, didn't they? :) Yes, Stanford definitely did. The following information is from memory. I don't think that I've overlooked any systems, but don't take my word as final for exact chronology. Stanford started with the AI Lab PDP-6, which wasn't retired until the 1980s. It was donated, in working condition, to the Computer Museum in 1984; and, in one of the most heinous acts of vandalism ever committed, the Computer Museum broke it up to sell as souvenirs. SAIL later acquired a KA10, and later got a BBN pager, but stayed with their own custom hacked-version of the DEC monitor. I ended up owning that KA10, but it was fried. I still have its console, meter, and some of the adder boards (I've given them away to various people over the years). IMSSS and SUMEX each had KI10s, running Tenex. Both of those machines ended up becoming dual-processor KI Tenex systems. I don't know the exact history, but I think that the Rutgers KI ended up being CPU#2 at either IMSSS or SUMEX. When IMSSS was shut down I got one of the two console panels. SAIL acquired one of the first KL10s, and until 1980 had the only tri-processor KL10/KA10/PDP-6 ever. That system was finally shut down in 1991. LOTS was set up in 1976 or 1977 with Stanford's first 20. The Graduate School of Business got Stanford's second 20. I forget if the CSD/EE/OR 20 (Score -- my system) was the third or if LOTS had already been joined by LESS by then. SUMEX-AIM got a 2020 system (Tiny), and upgraded their dual-KI to a 20. At least one of the KIs went to IMSSS. I ended up owning Tiny, and I still have it in working condition. When SAIL moved to Margaret Jacks Hall, the PDP-6 was left behind. The Computer Music group used it, along with a Foonly F-2, in SAIL's old digs for several years. I don't know when the Foonly was shut down but it must have been in the late 1980s. In 1983, the Score 20 went to EE and became Sierra. A new 20 system, wholly owned by CSD, became the new Score. GSB got a second 20; the two systems became known as "How" and "Why", reflecting their use by MBA students (who studied "how") and faculty/PhD students (who studied "why") respectively. There was a 20 over at the computer center called CSLI which was intended to be solely a text editing and email machine for administrators. Eric Ostrom ran it for a while. I think that this was the first 20 to be shut down at Stanford. LOTS got a third 20, and the machines became LOTS-A, LOTS-B, and LOTS-C. They were eventually renamed to Lear, Othello, and Hamlet; and were joined by an SC-30M which was called Macbeth. Score was augmented by another 20 which was called Sushi (SU-SUSHI, get it? Terrible pun). Perhaps it was the former CSLI machine. It wasn't around long. How and Why at the GSB were retired as a result of the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989 (reconstruction forced them out of their space), and one of LOTS' machines took over their user community. Sierra disappears from my records September 1988. Score disappears from my records in June 1990. IMSSS and SUMEX-AIM also were shut down at that time, and I seem to remember being there at SUMEX-AIM's shutdown party which means that I would have flown down from Seattle. But I don't remember exactly. SAIL and the remaining LOTS machines were shut down in June 1991, bringing an end to the history of PDP-10s at Stanford. As far as I know, the only Stanford machine still in existance is the 2020, which I have, although Systems Concepts took back the LOTS SC-30M so it may still exist. I also have the console panel from SAIL's KA10 and one of IMSSS' KI10s. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Essential JMF Date: 15 Apr 2002 20:22:01 -0400 Organization: Systems Administration, XKL LLC, Redmond WA 98052 Lines: 49 Sender: alderson+news@panix3.panix.com Message-ID: References: <3CB37976.65C38BFC@ev1.net> <864.864T384T13113581@sky.bus.com> <3CB477EA.D53E4205@ev1.net> <3CBA3232.CCFF41CE@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1018916468 2092 166.84.1.3 (16 Apr 2002 00:21:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:21:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11110 alt.folklore.computers:106160 Mark Crispin writes: > LOTS was set up in 1976 or 1977 with Stanford's first 20. 1976. The tenth anniversary party was held in Sweet Hall, where the terminal cluster had moved from the lobby of the CERAS building the previous summer. > There was a 20 over at the computer center called CSLI which was intended > to be solely a text editing and email machine for administrators. Eric > Ostrom ran it for a while. I think that this was the first 20 to be shut > down at Stanford. The -20 at the computer center (SCIP => ITS => the Data Center) was called CONTEXT, wasn't it? CSLI belonged to the Center for the Study of Language and Information, still a going concern as a research facility at Stanford, and had their own -20. > LOTS got a third 20, and the machines became LOTS-A, LOTS-B, and LOTS-C. > They were eventually renamed to Lear, Othello, and Hamlet; and were joined > by an SC-30M which was called Macbeth. The reason for the renaming was the advent of the SC-30M: Student employees of LOTS threatened to do bodily harm to the technical staff if we tried to name it "LOTS-D". A contest was held in which the namespace for LOTS systems was made Shakespeare characters, and the Tops-20 systems received the names of heroic figures (and one who killed a king)--then they were re-christened "Tragedies" by a group of students who hated Tops-20 timesharing, preferring workstations. LOTS-A => Lear (first retiree) LOTS-B => Othello (second retiree) LOTS-C => Hamlet (third retiree) > How and Why at the GSB were retired as a result of the Loma Prieta earthquake > in 1989 (reconstruction forced them out of their space), and one of LOTS' > machines took over their user community. Othello/LOTS-B, as I recall. > SAIL and the remaining LOTS machines were shut down in June 1991, bringing > an end to the history of PDP-10s at Stanford. Did Macbeth really get shut down that early? I thought it lasted as long as I did, until November 1, 1991. It might have been shut down in October, but the hardware stayed at Stanford until early 1992, when Mike Leavitt bought it back. -- Rich Alderson Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991 alderson+news@panix.com Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170) last name @ XKL dot COM Chief systems administrator, XKL LLC