From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:12:14 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net 1011280335 22130 194.152.80.94 (17 Jan 2002 15:12:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 15:12:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99006 I've just been charged with installing some machines for a project. One of the devices I have to use is custom SSL processor housed on a PCI card. The odd thing about this card is that it only has one LED (a blue one) for status. If there is a serious error it flashes the error condition by using Morse code to signify the error, by repeatedly sending out S-O-S followed by a number of diagnostic letters and numbers in Morse. So a firware upload failure, for example, is ... --- ... -.- ..-. .--. I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? ###### From: timo.noko@kkkolumbus.fi (Timo Noko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 17 Jan 2002 15:40:48 GMT Organization: Kolumbus Internet Services Customer Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: XXXtimo.noko@kolumbus.fiXXX NNTP-Posting-Host: um177m7pas.dial.kolumbus.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3 (Win32) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.kolumbus.fi!timo.noko Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99042 In article , Paul Grayson wrote: >I've just been charged with installing some machines for a project. One of >the devices I have to use is custom SSL processor housed on a PCI card. > >The odd thing about this card is that it only has one LED (a blue one) for >status. If there is a serious error it flashes the error condition by using >Morse code to signify the error, by repeatedly sending out S-O-S followed by >a number of diagnostic letters and numbers in Morse. So a firware upload >failure, for example, is ... --- ... -.- ..-. .--. > >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? I bet it is not. I remember using single blinkenlicht in 1977 to report the last known program counter address before the error-trap. The code I was using was not official Morse of course.. ###### From: stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Organization: Metropolis Grafix Reply-To: stanb@dial.pipex.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Date: 17 Jan 2002 19:39:00 GMT Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-131.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1011296340 news.dial.pipex.com 8514 62.190.200.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspost00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99014 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:12:14 -0000, Paul Grayson wrote: >I've just been charged with installing some machines for a project. One of >the devices I have to use is custom SSL processor housed on a PCI card. > >The odd thing about this card is that it only has one LED (a blue one) for >status. If there is a serious error it flashes the error condition by using >Morse code to signify the error, by repeatedly sending out S-O-S followed by >a number of diagnostic letters and numbers in Morse. So a firware upload >failure, for example, is ... --- ... -.- ..-. .--. > >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? > > No, I was installing something (Native Oberon, I think) and forgot to install a video driver - so no video - and got a morse code error message from the speaker! Presumably the only way to output info ;-) The tills in one of our local supermarkets have Morse diagnostics... -- Cheers, Stan Barr stanb@dial.pipex.com The future was never like this! ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 17 Jan 2002 20:21:14 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1011298874 8058 134.117.136.30 (17 Jan 2002 20:21:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 20:21:14 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99064 "Paul Grayson" (mu0yc3@hotmail.com) writes: > ... > I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? Ask the radio operator on the Titanic. ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 17 Jan 2002 12:25:34 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 17 Jan 2002 12:37:57 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99083 "Paul Grayson" writes: > I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? No. I've seen that in disk drives as early as 1983. I'm pretty sure I've seen it done in other products in the late 1970s, but I don't recall the details. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Allodoxaphobia Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Reply-To: If You Reply Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.2 (Linux) Date: 17 Jan 2002 23:21:20 GMT Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.20 X-Trace: 1011309680 reader2.ash.ops.us.uu.net 7427 63.105.232.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-hub.siol.net!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0902.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99094 On 17 Jan 2002 12:25:34 -0800, Eric Smith scribbled: > "Paul Grayson" writes: >> I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? > > No. I've seen that in disk drives as early as 1983. I'm pretty > sure I've seen it done in other products in the late 1970s, but I > don't recall the details. And, I use it to this day. I have a background process that continuously cycles thru checking for new mail, and (via lynx) checking for new, 'important' postings on several web-based message boards (I run at the shell at my ISP.) "HI HI" announces new mail in my INBOX. "HI" announces new mail in one of the other mail folders. "BK" announces an new, 'important' message posting. "?" announces the expected connection did not complete. Running ZOC with a REXX script under OS/2. Jonesy -- | Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | OS/2 | Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | linux __ | 7,703' -- 2,345m | frontier.net | DM68mn SK ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: Michael Black X-Sender: root@darkstar.example.net Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/7.3.0) Lines: 47 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:11:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.168.100.62 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 1011325985 198.168.100.62 (Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:53:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:53:05 EST Organization: UUNET Canada News Reader Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!dialup-23-45-84-199.hip.cam.org!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99019 On 17 Jan 2002, Stan Barr wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:12:14 -0000, Paul Grayson wrote: > >I've just been charged with installing some machines for a project. One of > >the devices I have to use is custom SSL processor housed on a PCI card. > > > >The odd thing about this card is that it only has one LED (a blue one) for > >status. If there is a serious error it flashes the error condition by using > >Morse code to signify the error, by repeatedly sending out S-O-S followed by > >a number of diagnostic letters and numbers in Morse. So a firware upload > >failure, for example, is ... --- ... -.- ..-. .--. > > > >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? > > > > > > No, I was installing something (Native Oberon, I think) and forgot to > install a video driver - so no video - and got a morse code error message > from the speaker! Presumably the only way to output info ;-) > > The tills in one of our local supermarkets have Morse diagnostics... > > Of course, we see variations in this, in the startup chord of the Mac and the beeps on "IBM compatibles". I suspect actual Morse code would be the exception. Not that many people would know it, and so long as you only have a handful of error codes, it would be easier to use a simpler code. But something that flashes according to situation must be common. I remember reading an article in MicroCornucopia by a guy who got some surplus board, and one of the tools he used to figure out what was all there was an LED that flashed various sequences depending on what he did. And I brought home a board from the local surplus store about ten years ago, that had an LED that flashed a sequence when I applied power (and since I had no documentation, and wasn't interested enough to work on it, that was all it did). I seem to recall playing with some jumpers, and the sequence changed. Considering that so many devices now have some sort of speaker in them, beeping may now take the place of flashing LEDs. Michael ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: From: Dowe Keller Date: 17 Jan 2002 21:10:31 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 61 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.234.196.15 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.234.196.15 X-Trace: news.sierratel.com 1011335773 209.234.196.15 (17 Jan 2002 22:36:13 -0800) Organization: news.sierratel.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.sierratel.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99048 Michael Black writes: > On 17 Jan 2002, Stan Barr wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:12:14 -0000, Paul Grayson wrote: > > >I've just been charged with installing some machines for a project. One of > > >the devices I have to use is custom SSL processor housed on a PCI card. > > > > > >The odd thing about this card is that it only has one LED (a blue one) for > > >status. If there is a serious error it flashes the error condition by using > > >Morse code to signify the error, by repeatedly sending out S-O-S followed by > > >a number of diagnostic letters and numbers in Morse. So a firware upload > > >failure, for example, is ... --- ... -.- ..-. .--. > > > > > >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? > > > > > > > > > > No, I was installing something (Native Oberon, I think) and forgot to > > install a video driver - so no video - and got a morse code error message > > from the speaker! Presumably the only way to output info ;-) > > > > The tills in one of our local supermarkets have Morse diagnostics... > > > > > Of course, we see variations in this, in the startup chord of the Mac > and the beeps on "IBM compatibles". > > I suspect actual Morse code would be the exception. Not that many people > would know it, and so long as you only have a handful of error codes, > it would be easier to use a simpler code. > > But something that flashes according to situation must be common. > I remember reading an article in MicroCornucopia by a guy who got > some surplus board, and one of the tools he used to figure out what > was all there was an LED that flashed various sequences depending on > what he did. And I brought home a board from the local surplus store > about ten years ago, that had an LED that flashed a sequence when I > applied power (and since I had no documentation, and wasn't interested > enough to work on it, that was all it did). I seem to recall playing with > some jumpers, and the sequence changed. > > Considering that so many devices now have some sort of speaker in them, > beeping may now take the place of flashing LEDs. > > Michael > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book on morse code! Of course that could be the coffee talking. Now, how could you implement bucky bits? -- dowe@sierratel.com Home: http://www.sierratel.com/dowe Projects: http://freshmeat.net/projects/vsh http://freshmeat.net/projects/menuitis ###### Message-ID: <3C47B8E1.BE977BB3@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:45:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.167.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1011336303 12.90.167.217 (Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:45:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:45:03 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99000 Timo Noko wrote: > > Paul Grayson wrote: > >I've just been charged with installing some machines for a project. > >One of the devices I have to use is custom SSL processor housed on > >a PCI card. > > > >The odd thing about this card is that it only has one LED (a blue > >one) for status. If there is a serious error it flashes the error > >condition by using Morse code to signify the error, by repeatedly > >sending out S-O-S followed by a number of diagnostic letters and > >numbers in Morse. So a firware upload failure, for example, is > >... --- ... -.- ..-. .--. > > > >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? > > I bet it is not. I remember using single blinkenlicht in 1977 to > report the last known program counter address before the error-trap. > The code I was using was not official Morse of course.. When my old MFM/RLL drive failed on an XT it blinked "Can't sense track zero" on its activity LED in some pre-arranged sequence. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified) mailto:uce@ftc.gov (for spambots to harvest) ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 18 Jan 02 14:08:25 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <975.783T1256T8484897@sky.bus.com> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-164.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99141 In article <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> richmond@ev1.net (Charles Richmond) writes: >Dowe Keller wrote: > >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard >> & CRT, by rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All >> I need now, is a switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, >> hack some elisp and a book on morse code! > >This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators >could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately >good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. Yes, but a Selectric interface is a lot more complex. (It's be cool, though - a mini-tower with a console typewriter. Perfect for running mainframe emulators.) -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. I don't read top-posted messages. If you want me to see your reply, appropriately trim the quoted text and put your reply below it. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 02 10:44:25 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbRtS7RfaYcaOP4oSL9Fa8GjN4GryRNBn/Snt7xMc68oqCvfSCcHzct X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2002 12:54:05 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-81 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99152 In article , stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu wrote: >Charles Richmond wrote: >> Dowe Keller wrote: >>> >>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >>> >>> I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by >>> rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a >>> switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book >>> on morse code! >>> >> This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators >> could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately >> good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. > >How many people actually type 45 words a minute these days? I CAN do 65 >on a good keyboard (it's amazing how much my typing speed varies depending >on the keyboard I'm currently using), with occasional bursts of 90 wpm, >but if you averaged my actual typing speed over the course of an hour, it >would not exceed 30 wpm. I had a lady doing work for me who was clocked at 130 wpm. > >'course, now I work with computers have have these "mice" thingies... > See!!!? That's one reason they're the User Device From Hell. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Message-ID: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1011388299 12.237.69.87 (Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:11:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:11:39 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:11:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99214 Dowe Keller wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book > on morse code! > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3C48AC51.F472B5F@ev1.net> From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.237.69.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1011388430 12.237.69.87 (Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:13:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:13:50 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:13:50 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99203 Roland Hutchinson wrote: > > On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:11, Michael Black > wrote: > > > On 17 Jan 2002, Stan Barr wrote: > > > >> The tills in one of our local supermarkets have Morse > >> diagnostics... > >> > > Of course, we see variations in this, in the startup chord of the > > Mac and the beeps on "IBM compatibles". > > Blessed is (s)he who never heard the Mac's dreaded and awe-inspiring > "chimes of death". > In some older Mac systems, the "chimes of death" were replaced by sounds of a car crash... Really. This reminds me of the cartoon I saw: A guy was sitting in front of his computer, the system crashed, and an air bag deployed from his monitor right into his face. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Philo" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:12:36 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3c48b8ed$0$5681$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.250.193.13 X-Trace: 1011398894 news.twtelecom.net 5681 207.250.193.13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!209.98.98.64!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!spool1.twtelecom.net!207.250.5.9.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99199 Best Power... makers of UPS systems have used morse code diagnostics for quite some time! ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3c48b8ed$0$5681$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> From: Bernd Felsche User-Agent: nn/6.6.2 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:31:40 +0800 Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: innovative.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 1011410797 10687 203.59.144.24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99200 "Philo" writes: >Best Power... >makers of UPS systems have used morse >code diagnostics for quite some time! Nokia provides dit-dit-dit dah-dah dit-dit-dit on their GSM mobiles to announce arrival of SMS messages. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | ###### From: stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 19 Jan 2002 05:52:48 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rohan.sdsu.edu X-Trace: gondor.sdsu.edu 1011419568 1208 130.191.3.100 (19 Jan 2002 05:52:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@newshub.sdsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2002 05:52:48 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000123 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99146 Charles Richmond wrote: > Dowe Keller wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by >> rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a >> switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book >> on morse code! >> > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators > could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately > good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. How many people actually type 45 words a minute these days? I CAN do 65 on a good keyboard (it's amazing how much my typing speed varies depending on the keyboard I'm currently using), with occasional bursts of 90 wpm, but if you averaged my actual typing speed over the course of an hour, it would not exceed 30 wpm. 'course, now I work with computers have have these "mice" thingies... -- Stewart Stremler stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is more fun than figuring out the syntax of time travel. -- Peter da Silva (December 1999) ###### From: stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Organization: Metropolis Grafix Reply-To: stanb@dial.pipex.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Date: 19 Jan 2002 06:03:52 GMT Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-203-241.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1011420232 news.dial.pipex.com 8508 62.190.203.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news.ebone.net!news1.ebone.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99145 On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:11:39 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: >Dowe Keller wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by >> rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a >> switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book >> on morse code! >> >This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators >could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately >good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. A good Morse operator with an iambic keyer can do over 50wpm... There are several Morse code keyboard replacement progs around. For Linux see http://pehr.net/morsesall/ (which I keep meaning to look at myself...) -- Cheers, Stan Barr stanb@dial.pipex.com The future was never like this! ###### From: "Barry" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:18:35 -0600 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3c499cc2_2@goliath2.newsgroups.com> X-Authenticated-User: barryem X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to You may also use our online abuse reporting from: http://www.newsfeeds.com/abuseform.htm X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Usenet.com - #1 Newsgroups service on the planet! - http://www.Usenet.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!24.226.1.12!feed.cgocable.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!colossus2.usenet.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99187 "Charles Richmond" wrote: > > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators > could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately > good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. I remember in the days before computers became popular with ham radio operators, a ham friend of mine who had a home computer found a program somewhere that would let him send out morse code with his keyboard. He was a very fast typer, but not so fast sending code. He started sending at around 60 wpm which was slow enough that people could catch a little of his message and reply, asking him to slow down, making him feel like a giant, he said. Until the day he ran into someone who could easily read his 60 wpm and send back to him at the same speed and my friend had to ask him to please slow down. He met a real giant. :) Barry -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. 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References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3c499cc2_2@goliath2.newsgroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:28:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.171.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1011468496 12.90.171.77 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:28:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:28:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99129 Barry wrote: > > "Charles Richmond" wrote: > > > > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators > > could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A > moderately > > good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. > > I remember in the days before computers became popular with ham > radio operators, a ham friend of mine who had a home computer found > a program somewhere that would let him send out morse code with his > keyboard. He was a very fast typer, but not so fast sending code. > > He started sending at around 60 wpm which was slow enough that > people could catch a little of his message and reply, asking him to > slow down, making him feel like a giant, he said. > > Until the day he ran into someone who could easily read his 60 wpm > and send back to him at the same speed and my friend had to ask him > to please slow down. He met a real giant. :) Just to put it in perspective, that is about the equivalent of a 600 baud line and following it on a one line screen. (one word, one char?) -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified) mailto:uce@ftc.gov (for spambots to harvest) ###### From: Ian Stirling Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:18:20 GMT Message-ID: <1011471500.16819.0.nnrp-13.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3c499cc2_2@goliath2.newsgroups.com> <3C49C2DF.C13003F6@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011471500 nnrp-13:16819 NO-IDENT mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/1.5.6-20000803 ("Dust") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.17 (i686)) Originator: root@mauve.demon.co.uk Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mauve.demon.co.uk!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99208 CBFalconer wrote: > > Barry wrote: >> Until the day he ran into someone who could easily read his 60 wpm >> and send back to him at the same speed and my friend had to ask him >> to please slow down. He met a real giant. :) > > Just to put it in perspective, that is about the equivalent of a > 600 baud line and following it on a one line screen. (one word, > one char?) One glyph... Interestingly, you can read (well, I can) text at a few hundred WPM, if it's simply flashed serially word-by-word on the screen. -- http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling. ---------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------- What a wonderfull world it is that has girls in it! -- Robert A Heinlein. ###### Message-ID: <3C49A5EA.781C148A@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:59:23 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1011477560 reader0.ash.ops.us.uu.net 708 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0900.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99178 Charles Richmond wrote: > > Dowe Keller wrote: > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by > > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a > > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book > > on morse code! > > > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators > could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. Many of those going that fast would be using a "bug" (mechanical auto-repeat on dits) or a "keyer" (electronic auto- repeats on dits and dahs, often with regulated inter-element spacing too). One of the larger electronics distributors today - Digikey - got its start selling (surprise) Digital Keyer kits. See http://www.digikey.com/MKT/C_Hist.html Tim. ###### From: lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:00:29 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!orthanc.ab.ca!lyndon Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99249 "Paul Grayson" writes: >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? Nope. For example, in 1995 I added audio support to the FreeBSD morse(6) command. The '-p' flag told it to play the morse out the speaker(4) device. I used this in the backend of a logfile monitor to send audible notifications of system events. --lyndon ###### Message-ID: <3C4A2DCB.30417117@hawaga.org.uk> From: Ben Clifford Organization: HAWAGA.ORG.UK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.5.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Trace: /Kkf2O3Z2eEUz7RjfNZX0iBrJA9OfyRTS4+77Gzyjj8tU6FjMGmza0PuXA1ZXAlBEqxGth7OmcF3!bYBnPvDDzrtc8C1W+AZDEL193B6WU75XY9MiKdBr5sZHaIDp5sCQx9P/COeeH9qNGmQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:52:24 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:52:24 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99220 stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu wrote: > How many people actually type 45 words a minute these days? I CAN do 65 > on a good keyboard (it's amazing how much my typing speed varies depending > on the keyboard I'm currently using), with occasional bursts of 90 wpm, > but if you averaged my actual typing speed over the course of an hour, it > would not exceed 30 wpm. Me me me. > 'course, now I work with computers have have these "mice" thingies... That explains it - from what I have seen of secretaries typing, the mouse is the 2nd largest cause of productivity loss. -- Ben Clifford http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/ GPG: 30F06950 webcam: http://barbarella.hawaga.org.uk/benc-cgi/watchers.cgi Do not ever send e-mail to: philip@hawaga.org.uk (seriously!) ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:03:06 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 19 Message-ID: <20020120100306.29aec4a3.steveo@eircom.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1398.vcu.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1011519675 53028 194.134.170.123 (20 Jan 2002 09:41:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:41:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99245 On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:00:29 -0000 lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) wrote: LN> "Paul Grayson" writes: LN> LN> >I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? LN> LN> Nope. For example, in 1995 I added audio support to the FreeBSD LN> morse(6) command. The '-p' flag told it to play the morse out LN> the speaker(4) device. I used this in the backend of a logfile LN> monitor to send audible notifications of system events. Now I know what /dev/speaker is for :) -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:36:36 -0700 Organization: Systematic Software Lines: 40 Message-ID: <0irk4ug1siqhdec4k7l05f33poij0ecib2@4ax.com> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-148-139-100.dial.cadvision.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.cadvision.com 1011555396 18151 207.148.139.100 (20 Jan 2002 19:36:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cadvision.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:36:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!nntp.cadvision.com!207.228.64.17.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99262 On 19 Jan 2002 06:03:52 GMT, stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) wrote: >On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:11:39 GMT, Charles Richmond wrote: >>Dowe Keller wrote: >>> >>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >>> >>> I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by >>> rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a >>> switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book >>> on morse code! >>> >>This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators >>could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately >>good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. > >A good Morse operator with an iambic keyer can do over 50wpm... Bit limiting when you can only send sonnets, isn't it, or does the operator have to put it in verse? >There are several Morse code keyboard replacement progs around. >For Linux see http://pehr.net/morsesall/ (which I keep meaning to look at >myself...) Any iambic keyboards or programs available? ;^> -- Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov spam traps ###### Message-ID: <3C4B443C.EBD37659@earthlink.net> From: jchausler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:39:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.123.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1011566375 168.191.123.221 (Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:39:35 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:39:35 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:39:34 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99289 Charles Richmond wrote: > Dowe Keller wrote: > > > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > > > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by > > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a > > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book > > on morse code! > > > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators > could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately > good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. There is an effort called IIRC "Morse 2000" which intended to teach severely disabled people to use Morse code (actually "International Morse" not "American Morse") as it is much more flexible that some of the other "communications techniques" that are taught to people who cannot speak and are severely limited in movement. Computers can now, of course, decode their Morse and "speak" for them. Chris AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE $$ ###### From: geoffm@spam.hormel.com ("Geoff McCaughan") Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Organization: "Mirrorshades R Us" Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: TIN [Windows/NT 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:16:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.57.143 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1011572167 210.55.57.143 (Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:16:07 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:16:07 NZDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!HELWS04!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99317 Dowe Keller (dowe@krikkit.127.0.0.1) wrote: > > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book > on morse code! Have you ever read "Cryptonomicon"? ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: From: Dowe Keller Date: 20 Jan 2002 17:17:10 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.234.196.164 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.234.196.164 X-Trace: news.sierratel.com 1011580952 209.234.196.164 (20 Jan 2002 18:42:32 -0800) Organization: news.sierratel.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.sierratel.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99304 geoffm@spam.hormel.com ("Geoff McCaughan") writes: > Dowe Keller (dowe@krikkit.127.0.0.1) wrote: > > > > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by > > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a > > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book > > on morse code! > > Have you ever read "Cryptonomicon"? Nope, That is by Neal Stephenson isn't it. What is it about btw? -- dowe@sierratel.com Home: http://www.sierratel.com/dowe "generally, you are wrong. there might be specific platforms for which it's true, though. for that matter, there might be chartreuse cows." -John Gordon, comp.unix.programmer ###### From: Joe Pfeiffer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 20 Jan 2002 19:43:40 -0700 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1b8zas77ab.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: viper.cs.nmsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: bubba.NMSU.Edu 1011581018 27126 128.123.64.113 (21 Jan 2002 02:43:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@bubba.NMSU.Edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 2002 02:43:38 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!news.NMSU.Edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99287 Dowe Keller writes: > geoffm@spam.hormel.com ("Geoff McCaughan") writes: > > > Dowe Keller (dowe@krikkit.127.0.0.1) wrote: > > > > > > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by > > > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a > > > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book > > > on morse code! > > > > Have you ever read "Cryptonomicon"? > > Nope, That is by Neal Stephenson isn't it. What is it about btw? It's historical fiction about WWII cryptography interspersed with current/near future cryptography. An absolutely engrossing book; one of the best semi-science-fiction books I've ever read. Maybe a bit heavier on sex than it needs to be. -- Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair: http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifair ###### From: stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <0irk4ug1siqhdec4k7l05f33poij0ecib2@4ax.com> Organization: Metropolis Grafix Reply-To: stanb@dial.pipex.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Date: 21 Jan 2002 06:03:17 GMT Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-203-249.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1011592997 news.dial.pipex.com 8506 62.190.203.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspost00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99292 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:36:36 -0700, Brian Inglis wrote: >On 19 Jan 2002 06:03:52 GMT, stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) >wrote: >> >>A good Morse operator with an iambic keyer can do over 50wpm... > >Bit limiting when you can only send sonnets, isn't it, or does >the operator have to put it in verse? > I like it...takes me back to my English Lit. exam... ;-) >>There are several Morse code keyboard replacement progs around. >>For Linux see http://pehr.net/morsesall/ (which I keep meaning to look at >>myself...) > >Any iambic keyboards or programs available? Iambic is a keyer paddle system...generates dots with the thumb paddle and dashes with the finger and alternate dots and dashes if you squeeze both - starting with the one you pressed first...I'm building one into an old 2-button mouse...you could use 2 keyboard keys, I suppose... (PS The link above has moved to http://www.morseall.org/ ) -- Cheers, Stan Barr stanb@dial.pipex.com The future was never like this! ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 21 Jan 2002 02:33:28 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 21 Jan 2002 02:46:31 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99341 geoffm@spam.hormel.com ("Geoff McCaughan") writes: > Have you ever read "Cryptonomicon"? Dowe Keller writes: > Nope, That is by Neal Stephenson isn't it. What is it about btw? Cryptography. World War II. Enhancing shareholder value. Love. Gold. EMP weapons. And lots of other groovy stuff. ###### From: stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4B443C.EBD37659@earthlink.net> Organization: Metropolis Grafix Reply-To: stanb@dial.pipex.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Date: 21 Jan 2002 18:28:10 GMT Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-202-143.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1011637690 news.dial.pipex.com 227 62.190.202.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewspost00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99285 On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:39:35 GMT, jchausler wrote: > > >Charles Richmond wrote: > >> Dowe Keller wrote: >> > >> > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> > >> > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & CRT, by >> > rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. All I need now, is a >> > switch, an LED, a serial cable, some solder, hack some elisp and a book >> > on morse code! >> > >> This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators >> could only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately >> good typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. > >There is an effort called IIRC "Morse 2000" which intended to teach >severely disabled people to use Morse code (actually "International >Morse" not "American Morse") as it is much more flexible that some >of the other "communications techniques" that are taught to people >who cannot speak and are severely limited in movement. Computers >can now, of course, decode their Morse and "speak" for them. Morse 2000 Outreach ... http://www.uwec.edu/academic/hss-or/Morse2000/ -- Cheers, Stan Barr stanb@dial.pipex.com The future was never like this! ###### From: geoffm@spam.hormel.com ("Geoff McCaughan") Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Organization: "Mirrorshades R Us" Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: TIN [Windows/NT 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Message-ID: <7z038.1325$Lv.177700@news.xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:25:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.57.143 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1011651907 210.55.57.143 (Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:25:07 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:25:07 NZDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!HELWS04!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99463 Eric Smith (eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com) wrote: > geoffm@spam.hormel.com ("Geoff McCaughan") writes: > > Have you ever read "Cryptonomicon"? > > Dowe Keller writes: > > Nope, That is by Neal Stephenson isn't it. What is it about btw? > > Cryptography. > World War II. > Enhancing shareholder value. > Love. > Gold. > EMP weapons. > And lots of other groovy stuff. There's also a sequence where a character uses morse code to do some hacking. ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:30:57 +0000 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <3c48b8ed$0$5681$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011655836 nnrp-12:13979 NO-IDENT hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!hearsay.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99528 In article , Bernd Felsche wrote: > "Philo" writes: > > >Best Power... > >makers of UPS systems have used morse > >code diagnostics for quite some time! > > Nokia provides dit-dit-dit dah-dah dit-dit-dit on their GSM > mobiles to announce arrival of SMS messages. And since one set of tones are available for use as GMS alert tones and ring tones I occasionally hear people who have their ring tone set to 'SMSSMSSMSSMS ...' making a nonsense of the whole thing. Simon. -- http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | [One] thing that worries me about Bush and No junk email please. | Blair's "war on terrorism" is: how will they | know when they've won it ? -- Terry Jones THE FRENCH WAS THERE ###### From: aw288@osfn.org (William Donzelli) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 21 Jan 2002 21:31:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8a1964a6.0201212131.4a039711@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.179.4.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011677487 32475 127.0.0.1 (22 Jan 2002 05:31:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 2002 05:31:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99530 "Paul Grayson" wrote in message news:... > I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? No, Best UPSs do (or did). A good idea - the UPS goes into some sort of fault condition (from a warning to something fatal), and the thing starts to beep a code in Morse. I do not remember what the specific codes are, but they were single letters, each of which mapped to a problem (for example, "P" might mean overvoltage on the input, and "Q" might mean battery low). If multiple faults popped up, the UPS would beep out the codes in order, about once every two seconds. The bad side of this is that a non-Morse trained ear can not tell the difference between an "E" and a "T", or an "I" and an "M". The big UPSs always seemed to go into a fault, and at some of the AOL sites I worked at, several of the things would be beeping away, driving everyone nuts. Best, however, did include the command "shutup" in the console's command line - it came in handy. William Donzelli ###### From: "Keith F. Lynch" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 22 Jan 2002 01:04:41 -0500 Organization: United Individualist Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1011679482 15319 166.84.1.3 (22 Jan 2002 06:04:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 2002 06:04:42 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99443 Dowe Keller wrote: > I guess if you knew morse code, you could do without a keyboard & > CRT, by rigging up an LED and key into a morse terminal. I've done it with less. By programming the system I was dialed into to send patterns of DELs and NULs over the 300 bps line I was dialed into, I've been able to read the "screen" with no hardware at all, other than my existing telephone. Yes, it's noisy, with all the start and stop bits, but it's understandable. This wouldn't work at 1200 bps or above, no matter how many DELs or NULs in a row you had it send, since the data is encoded in a more complicated way once you get beyond Bell-103 territory. > Now, how could you implement bucky bits? Morse code never even implemented lowercase, control characters, math symbols, or most punctuation marks. Of course you could define your own extension to it. Unlike ASCII, EBCDIC, Baudot, Hollerith, and even Unicode, which are fixed-length codes, Morse is inherently open-ended. There's no limit to how many dots or dashes can make up one character. Little known fact: The distress symbol, SOS, is actually one Morse character, with no accurate representation in ASCII. It could equally well be rendered VGI, IWB, or 3DI. -- Keith F. Lynch - kfl@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/ I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do not send me HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread. ###### From: "Simon Bowring" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Organization: MPC Data Limited Distribution: World Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Simon Bowring" NNTP-Posting-Host: bath.mpc-data.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mpc-data.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.245 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011709216 nnrp-07:12679 NO-IDENT mpc-data.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: PMINews 2.00.1205 For OS/2 Lines: 6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mpc-data.demon.co.uk!burton.mpc-data.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99420 On 17 Jan 2002 23:21:20 GMT, Allodoxaphobia wrote: >Running ZOC with a REXX script under OS/2. A lovely combination - Good man! :-) ###### From: hudson@swcp.com (Tramm Hudson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Steampunks Software, Inc Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: inago.swcp.com X-Trace: iruka.swcp.com 1011725948 3992 198.59.115.17 (22 Jan 2002 18:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@swcp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:59:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!feeder.nmix.net!feeder.swcp.com!news.swcp.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99418 "Paul Grayson" wrote in part: > I've never seen Morse used in diagnostics before. Is this unique? It wasn't Morse code, but we hacked an Intel Paragon to use one of the status LED's as an out-of-band signaling device. While we were doing initial operating system implementations on it we had an unreliable console channel through the communication mesh. A few bad messages would wedge it, preventing any meaningful diagnostics or debugging. So we rigged the status LED on the board up to a light pen hooked to the serial port on the Sparc Station system management console. With a small software UART we would could write out emergency messages at 2400 bps and 25% CPU load. Occasionally our debugging kernel would get loaded on the entire machine instead of just the node with the light pen attached. When a large job started up all the nodes would attempt to flash messages to anyone walking by the front panel. Trammell -- -----|----- hudson@swcp.com H 240-476-1373 *>=====[]L\ Trammell.Hudson@celera.com W 240-453-3317 ' -'-`- http://www.swcp.com/~hudson/ KC5RNF ###### From: "Keith F. Lynch" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 22 Jan 2002 23:15:53 -0500 Organization: United Individualist Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1011759353 6985 166.84.1.2 (23 Jan 2002 04:15:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 04:15:53 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99430 Charles Richmond wrote: > This would probably work, but IIRC even the fast key operators could > only send 30 or 35 words a minute in morse code. A moderately good > typist should be able to do 45 words a minute. There was a time when my Morse code sending speed was faster than my typing speed. I wrote a program so that I could send Morse code by pressing the space bar. But by the time I finished writing, testing, and debugging it, my typing speed had more than caught up. wrote: > How many people actually type 45 words a minute these days? I can type about as fast as I can talk. > 'course, now I work with computers have have these "mice" > thingies... I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never use one. Maybe if they invent a foot mouse (except that I like to put my feet up), or if I grow a third hand... -- Keith F. Lynch - kfl@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/ I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do not send me HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:18:07 -0500 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-600.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Mail-Copies-To: nobody Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99534 In article , "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: > Maybe if they invent a foot mouse Been done, yes. -- Howard S Shubs "Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!" Aren't there any networked SJFs around? ###### Message-ID: <3C4F7FED.F69C0EBE@gazonk.del> From: "Foobar T. Clown" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 X-Trace: 9ngRkhZIb7oub7CU3C+acAs3Hl8tdkF6iu1oaAgb0bYrDwVWqhOEtF58SzZ5yl+BLNqMdF8/0h6j!AaF0v5Ss04DFAVcN53e56BWMCcCYkjc+JL769GeTH7KikHvudc5XAJPBRk5Da4Me2w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:29:43 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:29:43 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99588 "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: > > There was a time when my Morse code sending speed was faster than my > typing speed. But, could you copy it as fast as you could send it? -- Foo! ###### From: Ben Clifford Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800 Organization: HAWAGA.ORG.UK Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar27-4-63-184-089.vz.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: siamese.noc.ucla.edu 1011850855 24396 4.63.184.89 (24 Jan 2002 05:40:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ucla.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:40:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.5.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!barbarella.hawaga.org.uk!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99598 "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: > I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using > a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my > foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never > use one. You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse with the other. -- Ben Clifford http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/ GPG: 30F06950 webcam: http://barbarella.hawaga.org.uk/benc-cgi/watchers.cgi Do not ever send e-mail to: philip@hawaga.org.uk (seriously!) ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:07:52 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 23 Message-ID: <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p0764.vcu.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1011895179 26446 194.134.202.1 (24 Jan 2002 17:59:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:59:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.190.198.17.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99624 On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800 Ben Clifford wrote: BC> "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: BC> BC> > I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using BC> > a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my BC> > foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never BC> > use one. BC> BC> You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse with BC> the other. Nononononono, the mouse should *be* a chording keyboard, then you can put one in each hand and have one for control and one for data. Even more fun would be to do this with 3D inertial sensor style mice, the kind you just wave around in the air. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 02 11:23:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaxX1P3YviV7YQmHmplwU2qBFcIc25eV0IyPl1NiKg5HlFewoP8iNLf X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 2002 13:33:50 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-255-137 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99700 In article <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net>, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800 >Ben Clifford wrote: > >BC> "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: >BC> >BC> > I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using >BC> > a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my >BC> > foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never >BC> > use one. >BC> >BC> You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse with >BC> the other. > > Nononononono, the mouse should *be* a chording keyboard, then you can >put one in each hand and have one for control and one for data. Even more >fun would be to do this with 3D inertial sensor style mice, the kind you >just wave around in the air. > I don't think I like you anymore. ;-) Arrrgggg...the pain just thinking about what you suggested!!!! /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 02 11:25:34 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net> <1011918969.540.0.nnrp-10.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVae7wNC+M1WCpXIDUtAjPv8rbERWmiGsNsWCHNQlTRZVCnjq3McQfhX X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 2002 13:36:12 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-255-137 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99695 In article <1011918969.540.0.nnrp-10.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk>, Ian Stirling wrote: >Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800 >> Ben Clifford wrote: >> >> BC> "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: >> BC> >> BC> > I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using >> BC> > a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my >> BC> > foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never >> BC> > use one. >> BC> >> BC> You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse with >> BC> the other. >> >> Nononononono, the mouse should *be* a chording keyboard, then you can >> put one in each hand and have one for control and one for data. Even more >> fun would be to do this with 3D inertial sensor style mice, the kind you >> just wave around in the air. > >To do this right, you really need another couple of chording keyboards >for the feet, so you will never run out of metakeys again. >These of course should also be inertial sensor types, and the proper posture >is looking at a monitor on the ceiling, while lying down waving arms and >legs in the air. >:) And the BSOD is when the nuts come loose? Next thing you'll suggest is spitting accuracy (which I still cannot do). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Ian Stirling Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:36:09 GMT Message-ID: <1011918969.540.0.nnrp-10.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1011918969 nnrp-10:540 NO-IDENT mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/1.5.6-20000803 ("Dust") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.17 (i686)) Originator: root@mauve.demon.co.uk Lines: 32 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!opentransit.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mauve.demon.co.uk!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99731 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800 > Ben Clifford wrote: > > BC> "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: > BC> > BC> > I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using > BC> > a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my > BC> > foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never > BC> > use one. > BC> > BC> You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse with > BC> the other. > > Nononononono, the mouse should *be* a chording keyboard, then you can > put one in each hand and have one for control and one for data. Even more > fun would be to do this with 3D inertial sensor style mice, the kind you > just wave around in the air. To do this right, you really need another couple of chording keyboards for the feet, so you will never run out of metakeys again. These of course should also be inertial sensor types, and the proper posture is looking at a monitor on the ceiling, while lying down waving arms and legs in the air. :) -- http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling. ---------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------- "I meant, have you ploughed the ocean waves at all?" Colon gave him a cunning look. 'Ah, you can't catch me with that one, sir' he said 'Everyone knows horses sink' -- Terry Pratchett - Jingo ###### Message-ID: <3C50BF39.F8336EC5@gazonk.del> From: "Foobar T. Clown" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 X-Trace: 9+o0NN805tXXuk98SM+cJxifZmUWBQqj8htwBc0ChQgMltINHbp8Kmg+DKWqhwcTjwITTz7cdSP/!r840eslV6nkrlmTfUGUK2DuPYimZSNXb+1IvIN96hbIrip2Op6NIM5ZlyAu47KwNow== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:12:01 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:12:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99680 Ben Clifford wrote: > > You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse > with the other. That's silly. The chording keyboard is supposed to be on the back of the mouse, leaving your other hand free to grip your Coca-Cola. -- Foo! ###### Message-ID: <3C510091.4BA66E2D@yahoo.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net> <1011918969.540.0.nnrp-10.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:13:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.90.167.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1011942803 12.90.167.48 (Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:13:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:13:23 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99741 Ian Stirling wrote: > > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800 > > Ben Clifford wrote: > > > > BC> "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: > > BC> > > BC> > I never did understand the point of them. Trying to type while using > > BC> > a mouse would be like trying to walk while scratching my knee with my > > BC> > foot. I honestly don't understand how mice ever caught on. I never > > BC> > use one. > > BC> > > BC> You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse with > > BC> the other. > > > > Nononononono, the mouse should *be* a chording keyboard, then you can > > put one in each hand and have one for control and one for data. Even more > > fun would be to do this with 3D inertial sensor style mice, the kind you > > just wave around in the air. > > To do this right, you really need another couple of chording keyboards > for the feet, so you will never run out of metakeys again. > These of course should also be inertial sensor types, and the proper posture > is looking at a monitor on the ceiling, while lying down waving arms and > legs in the air. > :) Do you want to hire my cat? -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified) mailto:uce@ftc.gov (for spambots to harvest) ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:27:02 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo NL Lines: 14 Message-ID: <20020125082702.6714b540.steveo@eircom.net> References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> <20020124080752.0b2097cd.steveo@eircom.net> <1011918969.540.0.nnrp-10.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p0965.vcu.wanadoo.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scavenger.euro.net 1011981603 10644 194.134.202.202 (25 Jan 2002 18:00:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:00:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news2.euro.net!news.euronet.nl!ams-gw.sohara.org!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99706 On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:36:09 GMT Ian Stirling wrote: IS> is looking at a monitor on the ceiling, while lying down waving arms and IS> legs in the air. IS> :) Did somebody call "DEAD ANTS" ? -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ ###### From: "Keith F. Lynch" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 26 Jan 2002 00:17:19 -0500 Organization: United Individualist Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3C4F7FED.F69C0EBE@gazonk.del> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1012022240 25469 166.84.1.2 (26 Jan 2002 05:17:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 2002 05:17:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!73159214!news.imp.ch!psinet-eu-nl!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99907 "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: > There was a time when my Morse code sending speed was faster than > my typing speed. Foobar T. Clown wrote: > But, could you copy it as fast as you could send it? Faster. -- Keith F. Lynch - kfl@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/ I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail (spam) is not acceptable. Please do not send me HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread. ###### From: Dan Poorman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Message-ID: References: <20020120100306.29aec4a3.steveo@eircom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com Organization: EasyNews, UseNet made Easy! - Test our service with our FREE trial at https://www.easynews.com/trial/trial.phtml X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:20:18 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!111252!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!easynews!news.easynews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:100256 In the early 80's I wrote software in Z80 assembly for the TRS-80 Model 1 system that redirected all video output to Morse keying the cassette tape recorder reed relay . That in turn keyed an audio oscillator and enabled the blind wife of a friend to use his new computer. She was a ham radio operator and easily could receive code up to about 40wpm in her head. Obviously wouldn't work for graphics (which were very crude and not really used much on the TRS80) but it even output the prompt (a > symbol) as .GT. all at about 20 words per minute speed. I had a lot of fun doing it and learned a heck of a lot of programming writing and then fine tuning it. Only thing that bothered me about the project was a few years later I saw where a professor at the local university received some sort of federal grant to do the same thing. ###### From: blackm00@cam.org (Michael Black) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 26 Jan 2002 11:19:24 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6447bcd3.0201261119.48e2fc0c@posting.google.com> References: <20020120100306.29aec4a3.steveo@eircom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.84.45.17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012072764 30155 127.0.0.1 (26 Jan 2002 19:19:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 2002 19:19:24 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:100191 Dan Poorman wrote in message news:... > In the early 80's I wrote software in Z80 assembly for the TRS-80 > Model 1 system that redirected all video output to Morse keying the > cassette tape recorder reed relay . That in turn keyed an audio > oscillator and enabled the blind wife of a friend to use his new > computer. > She was a ham radio operator and easily could receive code up to > about 40wpm in her head. > Obviously wouldn't work for graphics (which were very crude and not > really used much on the TRS80) but it even output the prompt (a > > symbol) as .GT. all at about 20 words per minute speed. > But you see the same thing now, when people are using voice output instead of a screen, and all those pesky graphics-intensive webpages are a problem. One mistake people often make when trying to learn Morse code is to start with sending. This is relatively easy compared to receiving, and doesn't seem to help in learning to receive. Worse, I suspect a lot of people over the years, if learning by themselves, have started with one of those charts that used to be in the encyclopedia and Boy Scout handbooks, and even cheap walkie talkies. So they look up the letter they want to send, and then send what is listed. I suspect this adds to the concept of a mental lookup table when they start learning to receive Morse, which is not the way to go. I know I started out this way, buying a telegraph set (with a real clicker, along with buzzer and a light), and of course, I had nobody to send to me. Technology changes all that. It's easy to get a program that teaches you code, starting out with sending the strings of letters, and then sending random letters at ever increasing speed. Note, they key to learning properly is right from the start hearing each letter sent at a high speed. Thus, you get used to the sound of each character, rather than seeing it as a string of dots and dashes, that you then mentally look up in a table. The trick is, you put a lot of space between characters when starting out, hence slow speed, and then you decrease that space to increase the sending speed. One thing I've been curious about for about a decade is how much of the learning of code can be subconcious. With what seems like everyone using computers, what would happen if a utility would echo every key you press on the keyboard, well the ones that are Morse characters, into Morse code on the speaker? So instead of sitting down to deliberately learn the code, you are going about your daily activities, and subconciously connecting specific sounds to the specific keys that you press. I think there's have to be some deliberate learning, but if you ran such a program for a while, surely it would help to connect the Morse sounds to the keys. Michael ###### From: alan.nospam@glaramara.freeserve.co.uk (Alan J. Wylie) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. Date: 27 Jan 2002 23:30:44 +0000 Organization: very little Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-811.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1012174290 5209 217.135.227.43 (27 Jan 2002 23:31:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 2002 23:31:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bilbo!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99934 On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800, Ben Clifford said: > You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse > with the other. ITYM "16 button chording keyboard with lights in so you know what state the machine is in in one hand, and a tracker ball in the other". -- Alan J. Wylie http://www.glaramara.freeserve.co.uk/ "Perfection [in design] is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but rather when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupery ###### Message-ID: <3C54A90A.B35D2FA3@hawaga.org.uk> From: Ben Clifford Organization: hawaga X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.5.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code diagnostics. References: <3C48ABCE.6A2AA626@ev1.net> <3C4F9E0C.FCB89714@hawaga.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 X-Trace: /K0ZEEp/dmxPHnnAZU4xZuk2pl5bCJWFOQ0o/bnTuKkPtDN8sEZCBprft5Zn+LWaayehsogTCJGS!fguQPI7x1ZVhOmft/aiGkmCkSDzpkViRscDmFvhidvX8vOaxoApJIoMZFbIQ6lFDCMM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:49:06 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:49:06 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:99820 "Alan J. Wylie" wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0800, Ben Clifford said: > > > You're meant to use a chording keyboard with one hand and the mouse > > with the other. > > ITYM "16 button chording keyboard with lights in so you know what > state the machine is in in one hand, and a tracker ball in the other". Actually, I went off looking with images.google.com and found this page[1] which has a nice picture of mouse, keyboard and "chording keyset" with only 5 buttons, as well as a brief explanation of how to use the chording keyset. [1] http://www.liquid.org/glossary/chord_command.html#anchorchordedkeysetoptions -- Ben Clifford http://www.hawaga.org.uk/ben/ GPG: 30F06950 webcam: http://barbarella.hawaga.org.uk/benc-cgi/watchers.cgi Do not ever send e-mail to: philip@hawaga.org.uk (seriously!) ###### Reply-To: "Larry Stewart" From: "Larry Stewart" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code Diagnostics Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:44:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.154.58.188 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1016167462 141.154.58.188 (Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:44:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:44:22 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:103895 Regarding last month's thread about the use of morse code for diagnostics, I can report two data points. In 1979 or 1980, the Xerox PARC Dorado computers used a "1-bit I/O device" for communications between humans and the machine's microcontroller. The output device was an LED that blinked one to eight times for various situations. For input, one would multi-click the boot button to cause various cold and warm boots as well as power control. In the early 1990's, while I was at Digital Equipment, I wrote the boot rom for the first Alpha based PC, code named "beta". I included a routine called "mprintf" which generated LED morse code. We were debugging new hardware, and the led was a LOT closer to the CPU than the ISA bus serial ports, and it was much easier to make it work! -Larry ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Morse Code Diagnostics Date: 15 Mar 2002 05:05:20 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1016168720 7854 134.117.136.30 (15 Mar 2002 05:05:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2002 05:05:20 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:103890 "Larry Stewart" (l.news@stewart.org) writes: > Regarding last month's thread about the use of morse code for > diagnostics, I can report two data points. > > In 1979 or 1980, the Xerox PARC Dorado computers used > a "1-bit I/O device" for communications between humans and the > machine's microcontroller. The output device was an LED that > blinked one to eight times for various situations. Hands up those who think an audio output would have been more user friendly. Ham radio fans need not vote. (So that's where the car companies got the idea for those problem codes - curse 'em all!) > For input, one > would multi-click the boot button to cause various cold and warm > boots as well as power control. This pretty well eliminates those suffering from tremors to operate the hardware. > > In the early 1990's, while I was at Digital Equipment, I wrote the > boot rom for the first Alpha based PC, code named "beta". I included a > routine called "mprintf" which generated LED morse > code. We were debugging new hardware, and the led was a LOT > closer to the CPU than the ISA bus serial ports, and it was much > easier to make it work! By that era, there were pretty fancy logic analyzers and digital scopes available. Perhaps the company was a tad short in development funds?