Message-ID: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:30:19 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2ffd.free.wxs.nl 213.75.47.253 Lines: 114 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81684 Hi All, going through my computer software collection I've found this wonderfull operating system PC/IX. I remember getting this from someone at IBM as a present. It has a big stamp on it "EVALUATION COPY". That must have been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I had (and still have) a Lear Siegler ADM5 terminal and a VT100. These could be plugged on the COM ports of the XT and, voila!, a multi-user system.Damn, I still remember the thrill of sitting in obe little room of my flat, while hearing the printer go in the other little room. Nice, huh, being young and naive, after all that is 16 years ago. Boy, time flies..... Well, enough of this reminiscing. This is what I've got: - one cardboard box that looks like a book, containing 19 5.25 Inch 360k diskettes in a plastic binder like construction, containing the system and subsets. -- maintenance diskette: used for installing the system -- the system core: eight diskettes -- programming subset: four diskettes -- communications subset: one diskette -- source code control system: one diskette -- text processing subset: one diskette -- special purpose subset: one diskette -- games subset: one diskette -- system accounting subset - a 'Users' Manual': a small binder containing printouts of the man pages - a 'Programmer's Guide': a large binder with manuals for the programming subset. The chapters are: -- shell -- C programming -- lint -- assembler -- debugging -- make -- lex & yacc -- m4 -- sccs -- sed -- screen management -- calculators -- awk - a 'System Manager's Guide': a large binder. The chapters are: -- roadmap -- operations -- networking and communications -- device drivers - a 'Text Processing Guide': a large binder. The chapters are: -- getting started -- ined -- ed -- basic text formatting -- nroff/troff -- tbl & eqn The entire set of manuals is done in immaculate print, except for the section 'Introduction to Text Processing on PC/IX' which is apperantly done with PC/IX nroff and printed on a matrix printer. Well, some more details: - The system is called 'Personal Computer Interactive Executive'. It is apparently made by Interactive Systems Corporation, but also by IBM. In the 'User's Manual' it says this is the first edition, march 1984. Copyrights are by Interactive and IBM. Also a 1980 copyright by Bell Telephone Laboratories is mentioned - PC/IX is based on UNIX System III, the article "The UNIX Time-Sharing system" is included in the documentation - There is no vi-editor. There is an editor called INed, which is a user-friendly editor with full screen facilities. It could only be used on the console, not on the terminals. - There is only one shell, sh. - Date and time had to be set at boot time, PC/IX doesn't know about the internal clock - The system has a full accounting system which generates a real dollars and cents output Some peculiarities I remember: - PC/IX has some kind of fixed partition size limit, it can't handle more than 10 megabytes. (Really, a full UNIX in 10 megs, nobody is going to believe this ...). Ofcourse you could mount more partitions on directories. - there was something funny with 'curses'. I remember that the system crashed when a program with full screen routines was run. Maybe that was due to the fact I had a MDA display adapter and not a CGA adapter, which was expected by the system, as I recall - Programs had no separate I&D space, so you couldn't make real large programs. This made the porting of software difficult to do - there was something funny with the serial port I/O. I remember I never could get Kermit to work the way it should - there was a very professional printer spooling system, complete with banners and terminal reports when the file was printed. As a general remark I must say that PC/IX always seemed to me as a large system in a small box, that is a kind of prototype. I haven't got much experience with AIX, but I wouldn't be surprised if PC/IX is a kind of 'granddaddy' of it.... Also, I always wondered if this system has been used professionally, if there has been thidr party software for it. Well, all in all I think that this system deserves a worthy place in computer history. Let's ask IBM to put it in public domain, or something like that. Gawd, this has become a lengthy message. I hope that you are at least amused by it. ###### Message-ID: <3B0C494F.F7720A85@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:35:43 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2ffd.free.wxs.nl 213.75.47.253 Lines: 5 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81683 Oh, and apparently MINIX, the educational UNIX by Andrew Tanenbaum, was first developed on a PC/IX system. Wonder what that must have been like.. PN ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 24 May 2001 12:12:49 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 70 Message-ID: <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 990699170 388 10.0.3.2 (24 May 2001 10:12:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 10:12:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81729 Paul Nunnink writes: > been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, > PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. > -- maintenance diskette: used for installing the system > -- the system core: eight diskettes > -- programming subset: four diskettes > -- communications subset: one diskette > -- source code control system: one diskette > -- text processing subset: one diskette > -- special purpose subset: one diskette > -- games subset: one diskette > -- system accounting subset A complete system, without the "unbundling" that made commercial Unix so annoying. "Oh, you want ..., that is an $...(large) option". Where the various ...-es in some cases (AIX, *cough*) even included the man pages! > Interactive Systems Corporation, Later sold on the 386 something called Interactive Unix. Was in the end swallowd by Sun, mainly to get the customer base and feed them Solaris386. > - There is no vi-editor. There is an editor called INed, which is a > user-friendly editor with full screen facilities. And most likely ed was also there. vi is an BSD-ism. > It could only be used > on the console, not on the terminals. Direct hardware access? Or just using hardcoded escape sequences that only the console tty driver understood? > - PC/IX has some kind of fixed partition size limit, it can't handle > more than 10 megabytes. Unusual. Even an 16bit(unsigned) filesystem should manage 64k disk sectors (with PC 512byte sectors that gives the famous MS-DOS 32M limit). > (Really, a full UNIX in 10 megs, nobody is going > to believe this ...). The original PDP-11/20 Unix fit on an RK05 disk, 2.4MByte, with user data that is. > Well, all in all I think that this system deserves a worthy place in > computer history. Let's ask IBM to put it in public domain, or something > like that. You could try. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:31:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 46 Message-ID: <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 990696617 15125 194.152.80.94 (24 May 2001 09:30:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 09:30:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81738 "Paul Nunnink" wrote in message news:3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net... > Hi All, > > going through my computer software collection I've found this wonderfull > operating system PC/IX. I remember getting this from someone at IBM as a > present. It has a big stamp on it "EVALUATION COPY". That must have > been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, > PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I > had (and still have) a Lear Siegler ADM5 terminal and a VT100. These > could be plugged on the COM ports of the XT and, voila!, a multi-user > system.Damn, I still remember the thrill of sitting in obe little room > of my flat, while hearing the printer go in the other little room. Nice, > huh, being young and naive, after all that is 16 years ago. Boy, time > flies..... Later there was Coherent, another Unix clone made by the Mark Williams Company. It could run on a 286 with 1MB of RAM. I purchased a copy sometime in 1991/1992 for around £100. It came on 4 5 1/4" floppies, with a manual far superior to anything provided by SCO at the time. The system included an implementation of nroff, which was used to produce the documentation. IIRC executables were restricted to 64K data and 64K code. This made porting useful code almost impossible. There was a later version that ran on 386 and above, and included X. Never tried it. Then Linux and the xBSDs appeared, and Coherent disappeared. ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:07:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9eitfk$j7j$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3B0D11CE.F9E508CB@skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 990705972 19699 194.152.80.94 (24 May 2001 12:06:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 12:06:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81739 "Jan Atle Ramsli" wrote in message news:3B0D11CE.F9E508CB@skynet.be... > Neil Franklin wrote: > > > > That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. > I once worked on a Xenix for the Tandy Model 16, but that one was (C) > MicroSoft, I particularly remember one line from their documentation: I worked with later versions of Xenix. I particualrly remember a nasty bug that caused the free-list to fill up erroneously. The only fix was to run fsck - and one customer managed to nadger that by specifying /dev/hd0root as the scratch file. ###### Message-ID: <3B0CFAFE.E3C8B869@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:13:50 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3B0D11CE.F9E508CB@skynet.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2f0f.free.wxs.nl 213.75.47.15 Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news2.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81767 Jan Atle Ramsli wrote: > > Neil Franklin wrote: > > > > That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. > I once worked on a Xenix for the Tandy Model 16, but that one was (C) > MicroSoft, I particularly remember one line from their documentation: > > ".. avoid version X like the plague. It's got holes big enough to drive > a Mach truck through it .." > > My SCO 286 is dated 1-27-86, but there was an 'all86' version, too. That's right, must have been about the same time. They had vi though. > > Atle ###### Message-ID: <3B0CFB02.37841A07@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:13:54 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2f0f.free.wxs.nl 213.75.47.15 Lines: 81 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cleanfeed.casema.net!leda.casema.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news2.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81757 Neil Franklin wrote: > > Paul Nunnink writes: > > > been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, > > PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I > > That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. > > > -- maintenance diskette: used for installing the system > > -- the system core: eight diskettes > > -- programming subset: four diskettes > > -- communications subset: one diskette > > -- source code control system: one diskette > > -- text processing subset: one diskette > > -- special purpose subset: one diskette > > -- games subset: one diskette > > -- system accounting subset > > A complete system, without the "unbundling" that made commercial Unix > so annoying. "Oh, you want ..., that is an $...(large) option". Where > the various ...-es in some cases (AIX, *cough*) even included the man > pages! > Yeap! I remember getting sco xenix/386 without a C compiler, damn! That was inconceivable to me. UNIX wihout a C compiler. > > Interactive Systems Corporation, > > Later sold on the 386 something called Interactive Unix. Was in the > end swallowd by Sun, mainly to get the customer base and feed them > Solaris386. > So that's where it has gone! I always wondered. Wasn't there some time when interactive was owned by Kodak? > > - There is no vi-editor. There is an editor called INed, which is a > > user-friendly editor with full screen facilities. > > And most likely ed was also there. vi is an BSD-ism. That's right, on the terminals one used ed > > > It could only be used > > on the console, not on the terminals. > > Direct hardware access? Or just using hardcoded escape sequences that > only the console tty driver understood? > No, must have been direct hardware access. When you type INed on the terminal the program opens on the console. I vaguely remember the system hung after that, but I'm not sure... > > - PC/IX has some kind of fixed partition size limit, it can't handle > > more than 10 megabytes. > > Unusual. Even an 16bit(unsigned) filesystem should manage 64k disk > sectors (with PC 512byte sectors that gives the famous MS-DOS 32M > limit). > Right, but I remember the fdisk that came with it simply didn't allow more than a fixed number of cylinders. I always assumed this limit was just hard-coded. > > (Really, a full UNIX in 10 megs, nobody is going > > to believe this ...). > > The original PDP-11/20 Unix fit on an RK05 disk, 2.4MByte, with user > data that is. > Yeah, right. I remember that. Always was amazed by the fact that the executables were so small in size compared to later day unices, why is that? They often do the same thing.. > > Well, all in all I think that this system deserves a worthy place in > > computer history. Let's ask IBM to put it in public domain, or something > > like that. > > You could try. > I wouldn't know how, though. > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer > - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 24 May 2001 13:21:36 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9ej1t0$qmi$1@top.mitre.org> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B0C494F.F7720A85@nunnink.cjb.net> Reply-To: jcmorris@mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: top.mitre.org 990710496 27346 128.29.251.13 (24 May 2001 13:21:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 13:21:36 GMT X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81745 Paul Nunnink writes: >Oh, and apparently MINIX, the educational UNIX by Andrew Tanenbaum, was >first developed on a PC/IX system. Wonder what that must have been >like.. ...and as an interesting historical footnote in these days of corporate paranoia over pirated software, Andy had a note in the original Minix permitting the code to be shared. Not quite GPL but still appreciated. Joe Morris (wondering where my Minix disks might have disappeared to) ###### Sender: lynn@LYNNPC Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 54 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:35:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.227.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 990711352 199.174.227.120 (Thu, 24 May 2001 06:35:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:35:52 PDT X-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:34:02 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81773 Paul Nunnink writes: > Hi All, > > going through my computer software collection I've found this wonderfull > operating system PC/IX. I remember getting this from someone at IBM as a > present. It has a big stamp on it "EVALUATION COPY". That must have > been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, > PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I > had (and still have) a Lear Siegler ADM5 terminal and a VT100. These > could be plugged on the COM ports of the XT and, voila!, a multi-user > system.Damn, I still remember the thrill of sitting in obe little room > of my flat, while hearing the printer go in the other little room. Nice, > huh, being young and naive, after all that is 16 years ago. Boy, time > flies..... mine is long gone ... but wasn't it a gray box that was something like IBM PC/IX ... by Interactive. It was a AT&T III port. Interactive basically did the same/similar port to the PC/RT (for ibm) ... but to the VRM layer rather than directly to hardware (which ibm subsequently heavily modified and called AIX). lots of extraneous pc/rt references http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a John Hartmann's Birthday Party http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/97.html#25 Early RJE Terminals (was Re: First Network?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#25 Merced & compilers (was Re: Effect of speed ... ) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#26 Merced & compilers (was Re: Effect of speed ... ) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#27 Merced & compilers (was Re: Effect of speed ... ) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#28 Drive letters http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#2 IBM S/360 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#23 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#36 why is there an "@" key? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#64 Old naked woman ASCII art http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#65 Old naked woman ASCII art http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#66 System/1 ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#129 High Performance PowerPC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#146 Dispute about Internet's origins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#49 IBM RT PC (was Re: What does AT stand for ?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#59 Multithreading underlies new development paradigm http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#54 Multics dual-page-size scheme http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#4 TF-1 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#60 "all-out" vs less aggressive designs (was: Re: 36 to 32 bit transition) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#65 "all-out" vs less aggressive designs (was: Re: 36 to 32 bit transition) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#27 OCF, PC/SC and GOP http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#13 Airspeed Semantics, was: not quite an sr-71, was: Re: jet in IBM ad? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#74 Metric System (was: case sensitivity in file names) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#4 Sv: First video terminal? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#84 database (or b-tree) page sizes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001d.html#12 database (or b-tree) page sizes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#55 Pre ARPAnet email? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#76 Stoopidest Hardware Repair Call? -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### Message-ID: <3B0D11CE.F9E508CB@skynet.be> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:51:10 +0200 From: Jan Atle Ramsli Organization: ou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.238.7.112 X-Trace: 990704678 reader0.news.skynet.be 3118 195.238.7.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.netcologne.de!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81732 Neil Franklin wrote: > > That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. I once worked on a Xenix for the Tandy Model 16, but that one was (C) MicroSoft, I particularly remember one line from their documentation: ".. avoid version X like the plague. It's got holes big enough to drive a Mach truck through it .." My SCO 286 is dated 1-27-86, but there was an 'all86' version, too. Atle ###### Message-ID: <3B0D25AC.E435962B@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:15:56 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2f77.free.wxs.nl 213.75.47.119 Lines: 43 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news2.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81759 Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > > Paul Nunnink writes: > > > Hi All, > > > > going through my computer software collection I've found this wonderfull > > operating system PC/IX. I remember getting this from someone at IBM as a > > present. It has a big stamp on it "EVALUATION COPY". That must have > > been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, > > PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I > > had (and still have) a Lear Siegler ADM5 terminal and a VT100. These > > could be plugged on the COM ports of the XT and, voila!, a multi-user > > system.Damn, I still remember the thrill of sitting in obe little room > > of my flat, while hearing the printer go in the other little room. Nice, > > huh, being young and naive, after all that is 16 years ago. Boy, time > > flies..... > > mine is long gone ... but wasn't it a gray box that was something like > IBM PC/IX ... by Interactive. It was a AT&T III port. Interactive > basically did the same/similar port to the PC/RT (for ibm) ... but to > the VRM layer rather than directly to hardware (which ibm subsequently > heavily modified and called AIX). > Yes, a kind of blueish dark colored cardbooard box with a three ring binder holding the diskettes in plastic jackets, three a piece. Om the box there's a white colored vase with a rose in it. One of these days I'll see if I can get it scanned in. B.T.W. The official name is: IBM Personal Computer Interactive Executive: in an subtitle it says: by INTERACTIVE systems corporation Wasn't the OS for the RT called OASIS, or something? Paul. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 24 May 2001 22:48:16 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 106 Message-ID: <6u1ypefp7z.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3B0CFB02.37841A07@nunnink.cjb.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 990737296 1397 10.0.3.2 (24 May 2001 20:48:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 20:48:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81810 Paul Nunnink writes: > Neil Franklin wrote: > > > > > > That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. > > Yeap! I remember getting sco xenix/386 without a C compiler, damn! That > was inconceivable to me. UNIX wihout a C compiler. This *Thiiiing* is broken! > > > It could only be used > > > on the console, not on the terminals. > > > > Direct hardware access? Or just using hardcoded escape sequences that > > only the console tty driver understood? > > No, must have been direct hardware access. When you type INed on the > terminal the program opens on the console. Shudder. Nice DoS attack on the console user. > I vaguely remember the system > hung after that, but I'm not sure... Even worse, entire system DoS attack. > > > (Really, a full UNIX in 10 megs, nobody is going > > > to believe this ...). > > > > The original PDP-11/20 Unix fit on an RK05 disk, 2.4MByte, with user > > data that is. > > Yeah, right. I remember that. Always was amazed by the fact that the > executables were so small in size compared to later day unices, why is > that? They often do the same thing.. Tons of linked in general purpose libraries. Saves programmer time - once, at cost of user Disk/RAM space and runtime - many times. Crapware. Also general feature bloat, like this: neil@chonsp 22:41:12 ~> ls -al /bin/tar -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 138016 Oct 11 1999 /bin/tar* NAME tar - The GNU version of the tar archiving utility SYNOPSIS tar [ - ] A --catenate --concatenate | c --create | d --diff --compare | r --append | t --list | u --update | x -extract --get [ --atime-preserve ] [ -b, --block-size N ] [ -B, --read-full-blocks ] [ -C, --directory DIR ] [ --checkpoint ] [ -f, --file [HOSTNAME:]F ] [ --force- local ] [ -F, --info-script F --new-volume-script F ] [ -G, --incremental ] [ -g, --listed-incremental F ] [ -h, --dereference ] [ -i, --ignore-zeros ] [ --ignore-failed- read ] [ -k, --keep-old-files ] [ -K, --starting-file F ] [ -l, --one-file-system ] [ -L, --tape-length N ] [ -m, --modification-time ] [ -M, --multi-volume ] [ -N, --after-date DATE, --newer DATE ] [ -o, --old-archive, --portability ] [ -O, --to-stdout ] [ -p, --same-permis- sions, --preserve-permissions ] [ -P, --absolute-paths ] [ --preserve ] [ -R, --record-number ] [ --remove-files ] [ -s, --same-order, --preserve-order ] [ --same-owner ] [ -S, --sparse ] [ -T, --files-from F ] [ --null ] [ --totals ] [ -v, --verbose ] [ -V, --label NAME ] [ --version ] [ -w, --interactive, --confirmation ] [ -W, --verify ] [ --exclude FILE ] [ -X, --exclude-from FILE ] [ -y, --bzip2, --bunzip2 ] [ -Z, --compress, --uncom- press ] [ -z, --gzip, --ungzip ] [ --use-compress- program PROG ] [ --block-compress ] [ -[0-7][lmh] ] filename1 [ filename2, ... filenameN ] directory1 [ directory2, ...directoryN ] You see it? :-) > > > Well, all in all I think that this system deserves a worthy place in > > > computer history. Let's ask IBM to put it in public domain, or something > > > like that. > > > > You could try. > > I wouldn't know how, though. Find someone with the privileges to authorise it. As Interactive is in Sun today, possible try via some of the guys that managed to get Solaris made open source (perhaps search Sun website). Alternative perhaps the Unix Preservation guys at PUPS[1] may have an Idea (strictly they are PDP-11/AT&T Unix and so went after SCO who today owns that, but they may explain the trick used). [1] http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS/ -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Sat, 26 May 01 09:48:46 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbKR0KLMf3Z8EXD9Ak9QCiM5EnTPEiuUEVquMiSuX3DyocRP6M3uAva X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2001 12:20:46 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-201 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81926 In article <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >In article <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, >Paul Grayson wrote: > >>The system included an implementation of nroff, which was used to >>produce the documentation. We did the same thing. > >And this is where I started grinning, reflecting back on these software >packages for systems I couldn't afford and drooled over, all with far >less than is trivially installed on an 850Mhz laptop with a 1600x1200 >screen upon which I'm reading . . . while drooling nostalgiacly (sp? >is that even a word? ;) One of the advantages of big iron was having all of this stuff up on SYS:. All you needed was a good incantation. > >hawk, who realizes that the correct usage of his screen is a 3x3 >grid of vt100's--err, xterms . . . How many fingers do you have? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Mark Blain Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:23:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: mblain@acmenet.net References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82144 On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:31:27 +0100, "Paul Grayson" wrote: >...Later there was Coherent, another Unix clone made by the Mark >Williams Company. It could run on a 286 with 1MB of RAM. > >I purchased a copy sometime in 1991/1992 for around £100. It came on >4 5 1/4" floppies, with a manual far superior to anything provided >by SCO at the time. > >The system included an implementation of nroff, which was used to >produce the documentation. > >IIRC executables were restricted to 64K data and 64K code. This made >porting useful code almost impossible. > >There was a later version that ran on 386 and above, and included X. >Never tried it. > >Then Linux and the xBSDs appeared, and Coherent disappeared. > The manual for Coherent was indeed great. Long after the software has disappeared, I still use that manual from time to time. ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:01:58 GMT Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Message-ID: <990748918snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 990749662 mail2news:24996 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!dsl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82121 In article <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> P.Nunnink@nunnink.cjb.net "Paul Nunnink" writes: > - PC/IX has some kind of fixed partition size limit, it can't handle > more than 10 megabytes. (Really, a full UNIX in 10 megs, nobody is going > to believe this ...). Ofcourse you could mount more partitions on > directories. "When I were a lad, we'd ha' killed for 10 megabytes". In 1981, I was running Unix v7 on a PDP-11/60 with 64kB of core and two RL01 disks (at 5MB apiece). -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr- easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs ###### Sender: lynn@LYNNPC Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B0D25AC.E435962B@nunnink.cjb.net> Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Message-ID: Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:39:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.228.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 990751148 199.174.228.225 (Thu, 24 May 2001 17:39:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:39:08 PDT X-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:37:23 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81929 Paul Nunnink writes: > Yes, a kind of blueish dark colored cardbooard box with a three ring > binder holding the diskettes in plastic jackets, three a piece. Om the > box there's a white colored vase with a rose in it. One of these days > I'll see if I can get it scanned in. > B.T.W. The official name is: > > IBM Personal Computer Interactive Executive: > > in an subtitle it says: > > by INTERACTIVE systems corporation > > > > Wasn't the OS for the RT called OASIS, or something? The IBM ACIS (academic unit) port of BSD was called AOS ... that was a "native" port to the bare metal. The Interactive port of AT&T was to the VRM "layer" and was called AIX. -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### From: dowe@krikkit.localdomain (Dowe Keller) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B0C494F.F7720A85@nunnink.cjb.net> <9ej1t0$qmi$1@top.mitre.org> Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3pl4 (Linux) NNTP-Posting-Host: 2092341964.sierratel.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2092341964.sierratel.com Date: 24 May 2001 21:21:27 -0700 X-Trace: 24 May 2001 21:21:27 -0700, 2092341964.sierratel.com Organization: news.sierratel.com Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.sierratel.com!dowe Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81811 On 24 May 2001 13:21:36 GMT, Joe Morris wrote: >...and as an interesting historical footnote in these days of corporate >paranoia over pirated software, Andy had a note in the original Minix >permitting the code to be shared. Not quite GPL but still appreciated. > >Joe Morris (wondering where my Minix disks might have disappeared to) Minix was under a propriatery license, although you did get the full sources. While this is better than M$'s distribution practices, I wouldn't exactly equate it with GPL. I should also say that while Minix *was* propriatery, it now comes with a BSDish license. :-). I too have a soft spot for Minix, it is what introduced me to the wonder's UN*X. The MINIX book is also nice BTW. -- dowe@sierratel.com Homepage: http://www.sierratel.com/dowe Project : http://freshmeat.net/projects/vsh ###### From: Malcolm Purvis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Organization: Alcatel Australia Limited Lines: 33 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3B0CFB02.37841A07@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u1ypefp7z.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) Date: 25 May 2001 15:57:55 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.62.196.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 990770963 203.62.196.26 (Fri, 25 May 2001 16:09:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:09:23 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!pc1762.alcatel.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82066 >>>>> "Neil" == Neil Franklin writes: Neil> Paul Nunnink writes: >> Yeah, right. I remember that. Always was amazed by the fact that the >> executables were so small in size compared to later day unices, why is >> that? They often do the same thing.. Neil> Tons of linked in general purpose libraries. Saves programmer time - Neil> once, at cost of user Disk/RAM space and runtime - many times. Crapware. In the case of the GNU replacements for the standard UNIX tools, the major change has been the removal of arbitrary limits. Earlier versions tended to have problems with 8 bit characters, limit line length to BUFSIZ (typically 512 bytes), allow only 100 char paths and have fixed sized buffers. Not only were these limits annoying, but the programs tended to crash spectacularly when they were exceeded. Fixing these limits, of course, takes more code. Neil> Also general feature bloat, like this: Neil> [GNU tar usage message with a zillion command-line arguments.] In the case of GNU tar, it looks like the bloat has stopped. The latest version (1.13) was released in 1999, 1.12 in 1997 and 1.11.8 in 1995. Hardly Freeping Creaturism. -- Tools Administrator, SRD Tools & Technology, Alcatel Australia malcolm.purvis@alcatel.com.au What is this talk of software 'releases'? Klingons do not 'release' software; our software ESCAPES, leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake! ###### Message-ID: <3B0E2CC1.D13A93EA@skynet.be> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:58:25 +0200 From: Jan Atle Ramsli Organization: ou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3B0D11CE.F9E508CB@skynet.be> <3B0CFAFE.E3C8B869@nunnink.cjb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.238.7.199 X-Trace: 990784308 reader1.news.skynet.be 177 195.238.7.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81817 Paul Nunnink wrote: > > Jan Atle Ramsli wrote: > > > > Neil Franklin wrote: > > > > > > That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. > > I once worked on a Xenix for the Tandy Model 16, but that one was (C) > > MicroSoft, I particularly remember one line from their documentation: > > > > ".. avoid version X like the plague. It's got holes big enough to drive > > a Mach truck through it .." > > > > My SCO 286 is dated 1-27-86, but there was an 'all86' version, too. > > That's right, must have been about the same time. They had vi though. And a 'visual shell' very M$-looking (looks like DOS versions of Word) but I had gotten used to it so I looked for it in the first Linuces to no avail. I guess this is totally irrelevant now with mc and all, and I also guess the hack value of reimplementing the visual shell on Linux is about 0? Atle ###### From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 25 May 2001 16:48:27 GMT Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81900 In article <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Paul Grayson wrote: >The system included an implementation of nroff, which was used to >produce the documentation. And this is where I started grinning, reflecting back on these software packages for systems I couldn't afford and drooled over, all with far less than is trivially installed on an 850Mhz laptop with a 1600x1200 screen upon which I'm reading . . . while drooling nostalgiacly (sp? is that even a word? ;) hawk, who realizes that the correct usage of his screen is a 3x3 grid of vt100's--err, xterms . . . -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 25 May 2001 17:00:25 GMT Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9em339$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81879 In article <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: >Paul Nunnink writes: >> been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, >> PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I >That is early. Allthough SCO/MS Xenix _may_ predate it. If it was 85, some do. I believe my stay at Olivetti ATC was entirely during 1984--my January 85 class schedule made it impractical, and I figured out that $4/hr on campus was worth more than $7/hr that I had to drive to . . . Anyway, I was with the software QA group. At one point, folks came in from the mountains and dropped off an XT for us to mess with-- loaded with their version of Unix. I'm reasonably certain that it was Xenix. Anyway, we never messed with it much--on that 8086, it took so long to process the login, that we gave up and wandered off. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: cinnamon@one.net (atholbrose) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> Organization: standing on a hill Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:49:53 CDT X-Trace: sv3-2bpcn2fBSgKCc6vXcjS8jfUKPCD2iBkt/uA0eAU1VXx+ik86DmZbtS9vxbAss5cGfYeIyAkpVO0RqSa!b+KaxmQZVjjeFFNvspXvg8IGhgjsUM6hGAO9xF2NMj6zo6X7SDzYWMnXkOBZVFc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:49:53 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!cinnamon Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82064 On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:31:27 +0100, Paul Grayson wrote: >"Paul Nunnink" wrote in message >news:3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net... >Later there was Coherent, another Unix clone made by the Mark >Williams Company. It could run on a 286 with 1MB of RAM. [...] >IIRC executables were restricted to 64K data and 64K code. This made >porting useful code almost impossible. This is why I never purchased Coherent, even though I really wanted to at the time. >There was a later version that ran on 386 and above, and included X. >Never tried it. By the time this hit, Linux was usable, if not very nice, and I was busy earning a living. I've only recently started again to play with technology not directly related to my work. It's kind of fun, actually. ###### From: diskette@shell2.fdn.com (STD DIALUP) Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:25:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.199.0.138 X-Trace: news1.fdn.com 990815132 216.199.0.138 (Fri, 25 May 2001 14:25:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:25:32 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news1.fdn.com!shell2!diskette Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81945 Paul Nunnink (P.Nunnink@nunnink.cjb.net) wrote: : Hi All, : going through my computer software collection I've found this wonderfull : operating system PC/IX. I remember getting this from someone at IBM as a : present. It has a big stamp on it "EVALUATION COPY". That must have : been, well, around 1985 I guess. I owned a PC/XT then. My, I was proud, : PROUD of it man! Real Unix! A system 'just like the university'. Also I : had (and still have) a Lear Siegler ADM5 terminal and a VT100. I still have & use a VT-100 terminal. It was used to post this message. ###### From: michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 25 May 2001 19:13:39 GMT Organization: MERANT Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9emat3010v6@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> Reply-To: michael.wojcik@merant.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-341.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@lorelei Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!mww Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81968 In article <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, "Paul Grayson" writes: > Later there was Coherent, another Unix clone made by the Mark > Williams Company. It could run on a 286 with 1MB of RAM. Unfortunately for Coherent, Mark Williams Co. alienated a significant portion of their potential customer base with their idiotic patent on using a canonical byte ordering for network data. Richard Stallman and the other FSFites were particularly aggrieved, as I recall. I had a copy of Coherent (probably still in a box somewhere in my parents' house) but never got around to using it; when I bought it, all the PC hardware I had ready access to was either 8088-based or Microchannel, and Coherent only supported ISA. I had planned to get an ISA-based 386 machine when I bought Coherent but never got around to it. -- Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@merant.com Comms Development, MERANT (block capitals are a company mandate) Department of English, Miami University Art is our chief means of breaking bread with the dead ... but the social and political history of Europe would be exactly the same if Dante and Shakespeare and Mozart had never lived. -- W. H. Auden ###### From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 26 May 2001 18:39:09 GMT Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 60 Message-ID: <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81886 In article <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >In article <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, > hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >>And this is where I started grinning, reflecting back on these software >>packages for systems I couldn't afford and drooled over, all with far >>less than is trivially installed on an 850Mhz laptop with a 1600x1200 >>screen upon which I'm reading . . . while drooling nostalgiacly (sp? >>is that even a word? ;) >One of the advantages of big iron was having all of this stuff >up on SYS:. All you needed was a good incantation. supercalifragilisticexpialadocious! I was amazed recently by a couple of other faculty being amazed that I could not only explain what antidisestablishmentarianism meant, but that I could also pronounce it quickly . . . But it's still not as fun as superelapsarian doublepredestinarianism --and I'm sure I'm not the only one around here that uses that one casually (which means that we really are as warped as we sound . . .) >>hawk, who realizes that the correct usage of his screen is a 3x3 >>grid of vt100's--err, xterms . . . >How many fingers do you have? lessee, I start with 10, but don't use the right thumb typing, so that's 9, but the right thumab does double duty on the buttons, and the right index on the pointer, so that's eleven. Multiply by nine vt100's, and I have 99! The older utilities such as screen really are no substitute for multiple displays . . . one of my happier moments computing was when I found a program for my macs that would let me (with the help of a program on the other end) have 7 vt100 sessions over the same serial connection. Not only that, but each of the 7 had their own startup script. Somewhere along the way, something went wrong, and I was reducecd to 4 :( Also, I was using a really screwy connection (9600 baud ISN [*not* ISDN]) from student housing at the time. It has hardware ^S/^Q--and one of the idiotic ms phony characters, one of the single quotes I think, is a ^S with bit 8 high--which my hardware didn't notice. SO every time some idiot pasted from a MS product on an email or usenet post, my hardware hung. It could only be unhung by a ^Q fromy the other end, or a hardware reset., Eventually I had a script that just sent a ^Q every few seconds, but for the most part, I was done with the connection by then. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### Message-ID: <3b102817$0$4208$d40e179e@nntp03.dk.telia.net> From: Torsten Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u66erkqce.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3B0CFB02.37841A07@nunnink.cjb.net> <6u1ypefp7z.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Organization: Telia Denmark User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.3-RELEASE (i386)) Date: 26 May 2001 22:03:04 GMT Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.19.185.98 X-Trace: 990914584 news101.telia.com 4208 194.19.185.98 X-Complaints-To: Telia Internet Abuse Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!opentransit.net!kinglear.mobilixnet.dk!newsfeed101.telia.com!nf02.dk.telia.net!news104.dk.telia.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82028 Neil Franklin skrev: > Paul Nunnink writes: >> No, must have been direct hardware access. When you type INed on the >> terminal the program opens on the console. > Shudder. Nice DoS attack on the console user. You could always get even by taking the opportunity to play games with the perpetrator's .profile or .cshrc script... /Torsten ###### From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:40:39 +0100 Organization: All yuor pie are belong to us!! Message-ID: <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 990977793 nnrp-08:6314 NO-IDENT teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:81905 According to Prof. Richard E. Hawkins : > But it's still not as fun as superelapsarian doublepredestinarianism > --and I'm sure I'm not the only one around here that uses that one > casually (which means that we really are as warped as we sound . . .) Chemistry is the one that always gets to me; even the field I'm interested in, neuropsychopharmacology, is enough of a mouthful, and chemical names like transphenocycloamphetamine sulphate are rarely said (or spelt!) correctly first time. > >>hawk, who realizes that the correct usage of his screen is a 3x3 > >>grid of vt100's--err, xterms . . . A friend of mine once commented that you can always tell a Unix user at an expensive graphical workstation because they're the ones who fill the screen with loads of terminal emulators and not much else. Chris. -- //USENET01 JOB (CBH,ISA),'TALKING BOLLOCKS',REGION=4000K,CLASS=F, // MSGCLASS=A,PASSWORD=WIBBLE,USER=CBH,COND=(04,LT) ###### From: Giles Todd Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:02:03 +0200 Organization: None Message-ID: <3cs7htgp7vgt38fgtnpoeaeeh9o3rn676q@4ax.com> Reply-To: gt@at-dot.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:jcCjpMsg6lTLmH4ks+15MassmPg= References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B128775.F1B14B7E@nunnink.cjb.net> <59e5ht8efhepe8omq8h4krs9ln948e88ju@4ax.com> <3B12D516.565D2D86@nunnink.cjb.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NFilter: 1.2.0 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!private!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82321 On Tue, 29 May 2001 00:45:42 +0200, Paul Nunnink wrote: > Giles Todd wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 May 2001 19:14:29 +0200, Paul Nunnink > > wrote: > > > > > Isn't dutch a wondeful language? Mind you, if Peter Stuyvesant had not > > > sold Manhattan we would now have Muurstraat instead of Wallstreet! Ah, > > > just imagine! > > > > I've always thought of Wall Street as a mistranslation of "De Wallen". > > > Well, we've got them in Amsterdam. I can tell you, they are trading > quite something else, there. Ik weet 't wel, hoor. Ik woon in Amsterdam. 't Was maar een zwaak grapje. Giles. ###### From: michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 29 May 2001 20:09:14 GMT Organization: MERANT Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9f0vla015b@enews2.newsguy.com> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B128775.F1B14B7E@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B129F93.88ADC81@my-deja.com> Reply-To: michael.wojcik@merant.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-293.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@lorelei Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!mww Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82299 In article <3B129F93.88ADC81@my-deja.com>, CBFalconer writes: > Paul Nunnink wrote: > > Isn't dutch a wondeful language? Mind you, if Peter Stuyvesant had not > > sold Manhattan we would now have Muurstraat instead of Wallstreet! Ah, > > just imagine! > I don't believe he had a real choice. Something to do with Naval > bombardment. Mostly in reparation for the nastiness over the island of Run in (what was then called) the East Indies, according to Giles Milton's _Nathaniel's Nutmeg_. An entertaining book, by the way. At the time it looked like a pretty good deal; Run was worth a lot more than New Amsterdam, as the former was the major world source of nutmeg, and the latter was just another New World colony. I don't vouch for Milton's accuracy, but his book agrees what I know of the history of the "Spice Islands". -- Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@merant.com Comms Development, MERANT (block capitals are a company mandate) Department of English, Miami University You brung in them two expert birdwatchers ... sayin' it was to keep us from makin' dern fools of ourselfs ... whereas it's the inherent right of all to make dern fools of theirselfs ... it ain't a right held by you official types alone. -- Walt Kelly ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:43:44 GMT References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> Organization: HappyNet Bungalow Lines: 39 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!world!bdc Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82280 In article <9eikb9$eol$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, Paul Grayson wrote: > Later there was Coherent, another Unix clone made by the Mark > Williams Company. It could run on a 286 with 1MB of RAM. I think I got my copy of Coherent 3.1 for Christmas in 1990. I remember Byte and maybe Computer Shopper started advertising it sometime before there. It cost $99US. This was the first UNIX system I'd actually admin'ed. Before then in early 1989 I was just a UNIX user on a 386 based BBS system named Norther Star. They had a USENET feed and UUCP connectivity off of Notre Dame University. Coherent was a nice little system overall. I had fun running it on a 1Meg 286. I took my 20MB Seagate ST-225 and partitioned it into a 10MB chunk for MS-DOS 3.3 and another 10MB chunk for Coherent. I was sort of bummed that the C compiler wasn't based on the ANSI C draft cause I was teaching myself C programming at the time. I didn't mind the 64K code + 64K data limit as nothing I was writing was nearly that complex. When I started college the following year, I sort of lost interest. The university had classrooms filled with glorious NeXTstations, the CS lab contained some older Sun 3/60s but they were the only hi-res color systems we had, and then there was the computing center VAX 6000. From that point on my 286 basically became a dialup terminal into the other systems... at least when I wasn't sitting at a NeXT in one of the classrooms or labs. By the summer following my sophomore year, Linux was a pretty mainstream force amongst the university comp sci majors. That's when I got a 386 system with a somewhat larger hard drive. -brian. -- --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ ----- God was, as always, nine hundred feet tall. Because of that, he couldn't sit on the furniture in most of Heaven where the normal people and their pets stayed. He had to stay on a special cloud with all the other dead people who were 900 feet tall. Which meant he was all alone except for the hundred or so monsters Ultraman had killed. -- K. ###### From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 30 May 2001 19:58:19 GMT Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9f3jcr$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.telebeam.net!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82338 In article <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet>, Chris Hedley wrote: >According to Prof. Richard E. Hawkins : >> >>hawk, who realizes that the correct usage of his screen is a 3x3 >> >>grid of vt100's--err, xterms . . . >A friend of mine once commented that you can always tell a Unix >user at an expensive graphical workstation because they're the >ones who fill the screen with loads of terminal emulators and >not much else. Only if they're black with green letters . . . Besides, what else would you do with it? 4 bit color is overkill for my needs--but then, the only use I have for color is syntax coding of code . . . -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 30 May 2001 20:11:12 GMT Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 101 Message-ID: <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82332 In article <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >In article <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, > hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: >>supercalifragilisticexpialadocious! >>I was amazed recently by a couple of other faculty being amazed that >>I could not only explain what antidisestablishmentarianism meant, but >>that I could also pronounce it quickly . . . >Wow! They must have been very young. No, that was the odd thing about it. They were both about ten years older than me . . . >>But it's still not as fun as superelapsarian doublepredestinarianism >>--and I'm sure I'm not the only one around here that uses that one >>casually (which means that we really are as warped as we sound . . .) >I've never heard that one. The ism that before the beginning of time, God predestined both salvation and damnation for all individuals (single predestination only covers salvation . . .) >>>How many fingers do you have? >> >>lessee, I start with 10, but don't use the right thumb typing, >Tsk..tsk...that's not efficient. How did you learn to use >the left thumb for the space bar? I use my right but I have >no idea why that was the preferred digit. hmm, I guess it is my right :) And I think I may actually use my left thumb at times for the alt key . . . >> ... so >>that's 9, but the right thumab does double duty on the buttons, and >>the right index on the pointer, so that's eleven. Multiply by nine >>vt100's, and I have 99! > Do you have your keyboard set to clickety clack? The way I type, there's no need for that--contact does it :) >>The older utilities such as screen really are no substitute for >>multiple displays . . . one of my happier moments computing was when >>I found a program for my macs that would let me (with the help of a >>program on the other end) have 7 vt100 sessions over the same >>serial connection. Not only that, but each of the 7 had their own >>startup script. Somewhere along the way, something went wrong, and >>I was reducecd to 4 :( >Somebody lowered the number of jobs one could login. No, it was some type of internal error. I could get other jobs running lots of different ways. By then, I wasn't coding much at night (I was staying at the office rather than coming home), so having windows for a shell, trn, and emacs for mail, an dlynx really was enough. >>Also, I was using a really screwy connection >>(9600 baud ISN [*not* ISDN]) from student housing at the time. It >>has hardware ^S/^Q--and one of the idiotic ms phony characters, one >>of the single quotes I think, is a ^S with bit 8 high--which my >>hardware didn't notice. SO every time some idiot pasted from a MS >>product on an email or usenet post, my hardware hung. >Now that's an interesting approach to keep people from doing useful >work. :) But then again, who could have foreceen some idiot using ^S as a printing character . . . >> It could only >>be unhung by a ^Q fromy the other end, or a hardware reset., >>Eventually I had a script that just sent a ^Q every few seconds, but >>for the most part, I was done with the connection by then. >Sounds like a bug we once had. unfortunately, this didn't get classified as bug, but "working as designed." And short of replacing the hardware, there wasn't much that could be done about it . . . We actually got ppp running over this monstrosity--it involved some weird escape sequences, but someoin on the debian list pulled it off. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### Message-ID: <3B15CFAF.72DAAB2B@cmc.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:59:27 -0700 From: Lars Poulsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.154.106.6 X-Trace: azure.impulse.net 991285168 194 207.154.106.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!sienna.impulse.net!azure.impulse.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82489 "Prof. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote: > We actually got ppp running over this monstrosity--it involved some > weird escape sequences, but someoin on the debian list pulled it off. PPP requires 8-bit characters, but can sacrifice all the control characters if need be; it will however take back (and improve performance) any that are usable. A PPP link starts out with all control characters escaped, then you negotiate the lesser set that actually needs escaping, if any. Kermit, on the other hand, can run on a 7-bit link. -- / Lars Poulsen - http://www.cmc.com/lars - lars@cmc.com 125 South Ontare Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93105 - +1-805-569-5277 ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:24:26 GMT Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Message-ID: <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 991331047 mail2news:4146 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!dsl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 Lines: 32 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82487 In article <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu "Prof. Richard E. Hawkins" writes: > In article <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > >In article <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, > > hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > > >>supercalifragilisticexpialadocious! > >>I was amazed recently by a couple of other faculty being amazed that > >>I could not only explain what antidisestablishmentarianism meant, but > >>that I could also pronounce it quickly . . . > > >Wow! They must have been very young. > > No, that was the odd thing about it. They were both about ten years > older than me . . . Now that *is* strange. I learnt the word when I was about eight as "the longest word in the English language" (although of course it isn't), and the meaning soon thereafter. But I was born (just) post-WWII, so to my parents' and grand-parents' generation disestablishmentarianism had been a hot-topic in the inter-war years. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that anyone under, say, forty would not know of the word. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr- easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs ###### Message-ID: <3B16741B.46647403@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:40:59 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B128775.F1B14B7E@nunnink.cjb.net> <59e5ht8efhepe8omq8h4krs9ln948e88ju@4ax.com> <3B12D516.565D2D86@nunnink.cjb.net> <3cs7htgp7vgt38fgtnpoeaeeh9o3rn676q@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2ea8.free.wxs.nl 213.75.46.168 Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82428 Giles Todd wrote: > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 00:45:42 +0200, Paul Nunnink > wrote: > > > Giles Todd wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 28 May 2001 19:14:29 +0200, Paul Nunnink > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't dutch a wondeful language? Mind you, if Peter Stuyvesant had not > > > > sold Manhattan we would now have Muurstraat instead of Wallstreet! Ah, > > > > just imagine! > > > > > > I've always thought of Wall Street as a mistranslation of "De Wallen". > > > > > Well, we've got them in Amsterdam. I can tell you, they are trading > > quite something else, there. > > Ik weet 't wel, hoor. Ik woon in Amsterdam. 't Was maar een zwaak > grapje. > > Giles. Mooie stad, mooie stad. Ik woon in Nijmegen. Hier heet de rosse buurt de 'eiermarkt'. Ook zo'n naam he? Paul ###### Message-ID: <3B1674BA.93DFDD85@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:43:38 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B128775.F1B14B7E@nunnink.cjb.net> <3b13d728$0$22388$d40e179e@nntp01.dk.telia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2ea8.free.wxs.nl 213.75.46.168 Lines: 11 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82438 Torsten wrote: > > Paul Nunnink skrev: > > > And sometimes you can say in dutch in one word where english speakers > > need a few: > > > propellorvliegtuig = piston engined aircraft > > And up here in .dk we save space by using fewer letters: > > propelfly > My little son, two years old, can do it with even fewer letter: 'pieg' (from 'vliegtuig') > /Torsten Paul ###### From: never+mail@panics.com.invalid (Michael Roach) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 31 May 2001 18:50:00 GMT Organization: A small notepad underneath my in box Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9f63oo$51f$1@news.panix.com> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 991335000 5167 166.84.0.228 (31 May 2001 18:50:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2001 18:50:00 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82524 In article <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk>, Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >I learnt the word when I was about eight as "the longest word in the >English language" (although of course it isn't), and the meaning soon >thereafter. But I was born (just) post-WWII, so to my parents' and >grand-parents' generation disestablishmentarianism had been a hot-topic >in the inter-war years. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that >anyone under, say, forty would not know of the word. Heh, I remember the classic childhood insult, "Spell onomatopoeia if you're so smart!" I'd reply with, "Define it first! THPPFFT!" 8^) -- You should never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and liberty. -- Henrik Ibsen ###### Message-ID: <3B1694D7.DB02C2E5@earthlink.net> From: Terry Richards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:59:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.10.107.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 991335581 63.10.107.213 (Thu, 31 May 2001 11:59:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:59:41 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:57:41 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82539 Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > > In article <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> > hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu "Prof. Richard E. Hawkins" writes: > > > In article <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > > >In article <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, > > > hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > > > > >>supercalifragilisticexpialadocious! > > >>I was amazed recently by a couple of other faculty being amazed that > > >>I could not only explain what antidisestablishmentarianism meant, but > > >>that I could also pronounce it quickly . . . > > > > >Wow! They must have been very young. > > > > No, that was the odd thing about it. They were both about ten years > > older than me . . . > > Now that *is* strange. > > I learnt the word when I was about eight as "the longest word in the > English language" (although of course it isn't), and the meaning soon > thereafter. But I was born (just) post-WWII, so to my parents' and > grand-parents' generation disestablishmentarianism had been a hot-topic > in the inter-war years. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that > anyone under, say, forty would not know of the word. > Sounds about right. I'm 45 & I'd heard of it but didn't know the meaning. Terry. ###### Message-ID: <3B1692CE.9959EE59@my-deja.com> From: CBFalconer Reply-To: cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net Organization: Ched Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:05:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.190.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991335948 12.79.190.200 (Thu, 31 May 2001 19:05:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:05:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82507 Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > ... snip ... > > I learnt the word when I was about eight as "the longest word in the > English language" (although of course it isn't), and the meaning soon > thereafter. But I was born (just) post-WWII, so to my parents' and > grand-parents' generation disestablishmentarianism had been a hot-topic > in the inter-war years. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that > anyone under, say, forty would not know of the word. Huh? I thought that that argument pretty well ended in the 19th century. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@my-deja.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net) http://www.qwikpages.com/backstreets/cbfalconer :=(down for now) (Remove "NOSPAM." from reply address. my-deja works unmodified) mailto:uce@ftc.gov (for spambots to harvest) ###### From: Torsten Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Telia Denmark Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9f8m4e$1k7a$1@news.cybercity.dk> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B128775.F1B14B7E@nunnink.cjb.net> <3b13d728$0$22388$d40e179e@nntp01.dk.telia.net> <3B1674BA.93DFDD85@nunnink.cjb.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port516.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk X-Trace: news.cybercity.dk 991419342 53482 217.157.133.149 (1 Jun 2001 18:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cybercity.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:15:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.3-RELEASE (i386)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!ams.uu.net!news.cybercity.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82576 Paul Nunnink skrev: > My little son, two years old, can do it with even fewer letter: > 'pieg' (from 'vliegtuig') Now, that's a cute word :) ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:53:24 GMT Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Message-ID: <991378404snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk> <3B1692CE.9959EE59@my-deja.com> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 991433066 mail2news:16873 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!dsl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82744 In article <3B1692CE.9959EE59@my-deja.com> cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net "CBFalconer" writes: > Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: > > > ... snip ... > > > > I learnt the word when I was about eight as "the longest word in the > > English language" (although of course it isn't), and the meaning soon > > thereafter. But I was born (just) post-WWII, so to my parents' and > > grand-parents' generation disestablishmentarianism had been a hot-topic > > in the inter-war years. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that > > anyone under, say, forty would not know of the word. > > Huh? I thought that that argument pretty well ended in the 19th > century. Indeed it was a "hot potato" then too (IIRC, it even gets mentioned in something like Iolanthe). But ITYF that there was some revival of debate during Baldwin's time. Or maybe my grandparent's had heard all the arguments from their parents, and it was being passed along as a "race memory". -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr- easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs ###### Message-ID: <3B190B21.11F3DDC0@nunnink.cjb.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:49:53 +0200 From: Paul Nunnink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9em2cr$v5m@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <9eo72u$6no$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <3B128775.F1B14B7E@nunnink.cjb.net> <3b13d728$0$22388$d40e179e@nntp01.dk.telia.net> <3B1674BA.93DFDD85@nunnink.cjb.net> <9f8m4e$1k7a$1@news.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b2f48.free.wxs.nl 213.75.47.72 Lines: 9 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news2.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82675 Torsten wrote: > > Paul Nunnink skrev: > > > My little son, two years old, can do it with even fewer letter: > > > 'pieg' (from 'vliegtuig') > > Now, that's a cute word :) Yeah, isn't it. I guess he will become an aicraft expert. He knows 'wieliekoppetje' (=helicopter) too! (Proud!) Paul. ###### From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 5 Jun 2001 19:34:18 GMT Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9fjc7q$dku@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9evu04$9gb$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <9f3k50$23c8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Prof. Richard E. Hawkins) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:82906 In article <991293866snz@dsl.co.uk>, Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote: >> No, that was the odd thing about it. They were both about ten years >> older than me . . . >Now that *is* strange. thaqt was my reaction. >I learnt the word when I was about eight as "the longest word in the >English language" (although of course it isn't), and the meaning soon >thereafter. But I was born (just) post-WWII, so to my parents' and >grand-parents' generation disestablishmentarianism had been a hot-topic >in the inter-war years. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that >anyone under, say, forty would not know of the word. But they'll discover it, popularize some of the notions, and the conterneoantidisestablismentarianists will fight with them for years . . . :) hawk, ducking -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ ###### From: Eric Fischer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: 9 Jun 2001 02:28:55 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9fs1l7$nn4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZnI5q4/DgIg1IAgwe7X3yOwWiqWC8y9S+8Q1pEuWV7OCnOmE+e5yO/ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2001 02:28:55 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Originator: enf@enteract.com (Eric Fischer) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:83151 Paul Nunnink wrote: > VT100's are something of a standard. Every communications program I've > ever seen knows how to emulate a VT100. Even the 7171 protocol converter > that was used to connect our university IBM mainframe to the outside > world had a VT100 emulation mode. Just leaves to wonder, why did the > VT100 survive and not, for example, the Lear Siegler ADM series. There > must have been hundreds of them too? One of the big reasons is probably that the VT100 command set is mostly just an implementation of the ECMA-48/ANSI X3.64 standard. Sometimes standards actually catch on! And it doesn't hurt that the VT100 included most of the features that you'd want a terminal to be able to do (with a few glaring exceptions), unlike a lot of other popular terminals that had all kinds of weird special cases and limitations. And didn't you *have* to emulate a VT100 if you wanted your terminal to work with VMS? That must have been an important motivation for a lot of people. eric ###### From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:14:30 +0100 Organization: All yuor pie are belong to us!! Message-ID: <6ussf9.is.ln@teabag.cbhnet> References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <9fs1l7$nn4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 992093073 nnrp-13:6202 NO-IDENT teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) Originator: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley) Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:83144 According to Eric Fischer : > cases and limitations. And didn't you *have* to emulate a VT100 > if you wanted your terminal to work with VMS? That must have Not really, any old character-based terminal would do okay unless you wanted to use full-screen stuff, although I think it was still possible to add extra entries to VMS' equivalent of the termcap database for the particularly determined. Chris. -- //USENET01 JOB (CBH,ISA),'TALKING BOLLOCKS',REGION=4000K,CLASS=F, // MSGCLASS=A,PASSWORD=WIBBLE,USER=CBH,COND=(04,LT) ###### From: Alexandre Pechtchanski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Anybody remember the wonderful PC/IX operating system? Organization: Rockefeller University Hospital (GCRC), New York Message-ID: References: <3B0C480B.2F83FCAF@nunnink.cjb.net> <9eot8d$1106@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> <7ksqe9.tu.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <3B1186F9.12C3195D@nunnink.cjb.net> <9fs1l7$nn4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:47:38 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.85.24.56 X-Trace: rockyd.rockefeller.edu 992274773 129.85.24.56 (Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:52:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:52:53 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd.rockefeller.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:83385 On 9 Jun 2001 02:28:55 GMT, Eric Fischer wrote: [ Courtesy cc'ed through e-mail to the quoted author ] >Paul Nunnink wrote: > >> VT100's are something of a standard. Every communications program I've >> ever seen knows how to emulate a VT100. Even the 7171 protocol converter >> that was used to connect our university IBM mainframe to the outside >> world had a VT100 emulation mode. Just leaves to wonder, why did the >> VT100 survive and not, for example, the Lear Siegler ADM series. There >> must have been hundreds of them too? > >One of the big reasons is probably that the VT100 command set is >mostly just an implementation of the ECMA-48/ANSI X3.64 standard. >Sometimes standards actually catch on! [...] Was not it the other way around? ISTR that the standard was mostly a description of the VT-100 command set. -- [ When replying, remove *'s from address ] Alexandre Pechtchanski, Systems Manager, RUH, NY