Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lexikon2@aol.com (LEXIKON2) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 24 Feb 2001 17:48:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: UNIVAC - Help ?? Message-ID: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76041 March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. Here is the link: http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm If you can help please let me know. Thanks! Mark ###### From: cjt & trefoil Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:08:36 -0600 Organization: Prodigy http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3A9822D4.8A9F80F7@prodigy.net> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a010-0234.aust.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com 983048774 2709921 63.252.228.234 (24 Feb 2001 21:06:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2001 21:06:14 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.flash.net!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76034 You might ask in comp.sys.unisys LEXIKON2 wrote: > > March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. > > I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate > date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. > > Here is the link: > > http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm > > If you can help please let me know. > > Thanks! > > Mark ###### From: steve@lgx.unisys.ch (Williams, Steve) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:08:28 GMT Organization: Unisys (Schweiz) AG Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.23.6.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: si05.rsvl.unisys.com 983074177 30982 172.23.6.23 (25 Feb 2001 04:09:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rsvl.unisys.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2001 04:09:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!eanews1.unisys.com!si05!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76067 lexikon2@aol.com (LEXIKON2) wrote: >March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. > >I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate >date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. > >Here is the link: > >http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm > >If you can help please let me know. > > >Thanks! > >Mark You might want to include the ERA ATLAS/1101, which was delivered in December 1951. The machine was developed by Engineering Research Associates which merged with Univac soon after. It was the first of the 1100 / 2200 / ClearPath series which is still in production. ###### Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lexikon2@aol.com (LEXIKON2) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 25 Feb 2001 16:54:03 GMT References: <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Message-ID: <20010225115403.03366.00002805@ng-cg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76061 Thanks for the tip. Mark ###### Message-ID: <3A993E3B.3949E2E3@earthlink.net> From: jchausler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:24:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.50.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 983121867 158.252.50.44 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:24:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:24:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76057 Hi Mark, LEXIKON2 wrote: > March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. > > I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate > date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. > > Here is the link: > > http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm > > If you can help please let me know. > > Thanks! You might try the Univac Memories page at: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/univac/index.html Also, don't forget the Univac Athena. It was a missle launch computer, three rows of racks and a lighted puch-button console to die for, all on its own self-contained false floor. They were decommissioned in the mid sixties and some were given to universities including CMU (then CIT :-) where I came across it as my first "toy" computer. Somewhere I found a reference to it on the web but I cannot locate it at present. The sound of the Athena's dual MG sets whining up at 3AM in the morning as heard from across the campus is something unique ;-) Chris AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE $$ ###### From: Jim Stewart Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:23:27 -0800 Organization: http://www.jkmicro.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <3A9A82FF.AAAF8A6E@jkmicro.com> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> Reply-To: jstewart@jkmicro.com Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Feb 26 10:18:30 2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![idL1k-VdL8U(uEFO).@srE> (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76089 "Williams, Steve" wrote: > > lexikon2@aol.com (LEXIKON2) wrote: > > >March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. > > > >I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate > >date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. > > > >Here is the link: > > > >http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm > > > >If you can help please let me know. > > > > > >Thanks! > > > >Mark > > You might want to include the ERA ATLAS/1101, which was delivered in > December 1951. The machine was developed by Engineering Research > Associates which merged with Univac soon after. It was the first of > the 1100 / 2200 / ClearPath series which is still in production. I didn't see the Univac Digital Trainer either, a desktop thing that unfolded from the size of a large suitcase and connected to a Flexwriter. It was the first computer I ever used. ###### From: Eric Chomko Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: 26 Feb 2001 18:29:19 GMT Organization: IDT Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <97e79v$g4s@nnrp1.farm.idt.net> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u1.farm.idt.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961025] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!u1.farm.idt.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76095 LEXIKON2 wrote: : March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. : I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate : date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. : Here is the link: : http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm : If you can help please let me know. Yes, the 1100/40, 1100/80 and finally the 2200 series should be included. Eric P.S. Sorry can't verify dates, but my guess and that is the best it is, is: 1977, 1981, and 1985, respectively. : Thanks! : Mark ###### From: "anonomous1234" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:48:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.220.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 983213283 24.167.220.32 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:48:03 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:48:03 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76128 Jim Stewart writes: > I didn't see the Univac Digital Trainer either, a desktop thing that > unfolded from the size of a large suitcase and connected to a > Flexwriter. It was the first computer I ever used. Ah, yes. The 422, a 15-bit 512 word machine. I would guess its date as 1964. It would have been an *extremely* large suitcase. 41B should be 418. There is no 1108 II. Just 1108. I think there should be a process control computer. Something like 580? Also a 418-II. After your list the 1110 ca 1972 and 1100/40, ca 1977. ###### From: William Robison Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:25:03 -0600 Organization: University of Iowa Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wtrpc.physics.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 983222199 17242 128.255.33.89 (26 Feb 2001 21:16:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 21:16:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76092 anonomous1234 wrote: > > Jim Stewart writes: > > > I didn't see the Univac Digital Trainer either, a desktop thing that > > unfolded from the size of a large suitcase and connected to a > > Flexwriter. It was the first computer I ever used. > > Ah, yes. The 422, a 15-bit 512 word machine. I would guess its date as > 1964. It would have been an *extremely* large suitcase. > > 41B should be 418. There is no 1108 II. Just 1108. > > I think there should be a process control computer. Something like 580? > > Also a 418-II. > > After your list the 1110 ca 1972 and 1100/40, ca 1977. Don't forget the 418-III. it used IC's for the IGR, added a 17th address bit (that raised hell with SR sensitive instructions), and floating point. IOM on this model was separate (418-I & 418-II didn't have separate IOM). -WIlly ###### Message-ID: <3A9AE7E2.294E34CD@cwnet.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:33:54 -0800 From: Dale DePriest X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <97e79v$g4s@nnrp1.farm.idt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.21.20.197 X-Trace: 26 Feb 2001 15:45:44 -0800, 209.21.20.197 Lines: 42 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newspeer.cwnet.com!news2.cwnet.com!209.21.20.197 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76081 And if you go that far you need the 90 series. 90/30, 90/60, 90/70, 90/80. The 90/60 and 90/70 were renames for the 9600 and 9700 which were earlier models from the business unit family as was the 9400? and 9200. 90/30 dates to 1974, the 90/80 around 1980 or so. the others are ealier. Dale Eric Chomko wrote: > > LEXIKON2 wrote: > : March 2001 is the 50th anniversary of the UNIVAC I computer. > > : I have been piecing together a list of UNIVAC computers and their approximate > : date of origin. Can anyone help? I know the list is not complete. > > : Here is the link: > > : http://members.aol.com/Lexikon2/univacdates.htm > > : If you can help please let me know. > > Yes, the 1100/40, 1100/80 and finally the 2200 series should be included. > > > Eric > > P.S. Sorry can't verify dates, but my guess and that is the best it is, is: > 1977, 1981, and 1985, respectively. > > : Thanks! > > : Mark -- For GPS data see: Joe -- http://joe.mehaffey.com Peter -- http://www.vancouver-webpages.com/peter/ Karen -- http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/ Dale -- http://users.cwnet.com/dalede ###### From: Eric Chomko Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: 6 Mar 2001 18:49:48 GMT Organization: IDT Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <983bgc$8g0@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> <20010304200119.28745.00000896@ng-cg1.aol.com> <3AA3B002.EC9F0AC5@uiowa.edu.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u3.farm.idt.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961025] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!u3.farm.idt.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76384 William Robison wrote: : "Williams, Steve" wrote: : > : > lexikon2@aol.com (LEXIKON2) wrote: : > : > >Thanks. : > > : > >Anyone have an estimated date for the 418-III ? : > : > Don't know the exact date offhand, but you might be interested to know : > that the Univac 418 series were derived from a project to develop an : > in-house tester for Univac peripherals designed for the 1100-series : > word channels. The original product was called the CUT - ie: Control : > Unit Tester. : > : Remember the 1218??? Ran into one of them at JPL back around : '89 or so. This would have been (if I can remember the order of : events correctly) around the time Voyager-2 went around Uranus. I thought V2 at Uranus was 1986 and V2 at Neptune was 89? Eric ###### From: Eric Chomko Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: 6 Mar 2001 18:55:49 GMT Organization: IDT Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <983brl$8g0@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> <20010304200119.28745.00000896@ng-cg1.aol.com> <3AA3B002.EC9F0AC5@uiowa.edu.com> <3AA437F2.6BD74B39@ev1.net> <3AA4FFA9.7F53E976@uiowa.edu.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u3.farm.idt.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961025] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!u3.farm.idt.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76387 William Robison wrote: : Charles Richmond wrote: : > : > William Robison wrote: : > > : > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] : > > : > > Remember the 1218??? Ran into one of them at JPL back around : > > '89 or so. This would have been (if I can remember the order of : > > events correctly) around the time Voyager-2 went around Uranus. : > > : > Voyager-2 went around Uranus circa 1985 or 1986...Voyager-2 : > went around Neptune and its moon, Triton, in 1989... : Bit-rot, really bad... At least by Neptune, we were off of : 7-track tapes for processed science data... : :-) : -Willy Heck, today we'd have a webcam URL on the WWW that would give us a birds-eye view of a grand tour trek from a deep space probe. Eric ###### From: William Robison Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:26:42 -0600 Organization: University of Iowa Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3AA539F2.701AE16C@uiowa.edu.com> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> <20010304200119.28745.00000896@ng-cg1.aol.com> <3AA3B002.EC9F0AC5@uiowa.edu.com> <3AA437F2.6BD74B39@ev1.net> <3AA4FFA9.7F53E976@uiowa.edu.com> <983brl$8g0@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wtrpc.physics.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 983906305 8960 128.255.33.89 (6 Mar 2001 19:18:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2001 19:18:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!opentransit.net!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76371 Eric Chomko wrote: > > William Robison wrote: > : Charles Richmond wrote: > : > > : > William Robison wrote: > : > > > : > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > : > > > : > > Remember the 1218??? Ran into one of them at JPL back around > : > > '89 or so. This would have been (if I can remember the order of > : > > events correctly) around the time Voyager-2 went around Uranus. > : > > > : > Voyager-2 went around Uranus circa 1985 or 1986...Voyager-2 > : > went around Neptune and its moon, Triton, in 1989... > > : Bit-rot, really bad... At least by Neptune, we were off of > : 7-track tapes for processed science data... > > : :-) > : -Willy > > Heck, today we'd have a webcam URL on the WWW that would give us a birds-eye > view of a grand tour trek from a deep space probe. > > Eric Uh-oh... It is getting really bad... We must-a hauled stuff out for Uranus and did Neptune from home. Did it really happen 10-15 year ago (boy, I'm feeling old right now)... (And it's 3 years 'till Cassini get to Saturn) -WIlly ###### From: Eric Chomko Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: 8 Mar 2001 18:48:40 GMT Organization: IDT Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <988k68$110@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> <2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: u1.farm.idt.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961025] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!207.103.111.5!news.voicenet.com!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!u1.farm.idt.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76456 William Robison wrote: : Eric Chomko wrote: : > [...] : > Heck, today we'd have a webcam URL on the WWW that would give us a birds-eye : > view of a grand tour trek from a deep space probe. : > : Uh-oh... It is getting really bad... We must-a hauled stuff : out for Uranus and did Neptune from home. Did it really happen : 10-15 year ago (boy, I'm feeling old right now)... Yes, I remember think that during the Uranus encounter that three long years lie ahead before V2 would get to Neptune and now that was over 10 years ago. : (And it's 3 years 'till Cassini get to Saturn) We got robbed with Galileo being somewhat of a dud and the Mars foul-ups. Eric ###### Sender: prep@k9 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> <20010304200119.28745.00000896@ng-cg1.aol.com> <3AA3B002.EC9F0AC5@uiowa.edu.com> <983bgc$8g0@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> From: Paul Repacholi Date: 10 Mar 2001 03:20:42 +0800 Message-ID: <871ys6wxyt.fsf@prep.synonet.com> Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.61.201.165 X-Trace: 10 Mar 2001 02:56:33 +0800, 202.61.201.165 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!nntp1.njy.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!nntp!usenet.per.paradox.net.au!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76595 Eric Chomko writes: > : Remember the 1218??? Ran into one of them at JPL back around > : '89 or so. This would have been (if I can remember the order of > : events correctly) around the time Voyager-2 went around Uranus. > I thought V2 at Uranus was 1986 and V2 at Neptune was 89? Can anyone who watched it on TV remember which one had the count down bug at T0? Smithsonian date zero bites again!! -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. ###### Message-ID: <3AAA3C5E.1518AB4B@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:38:22 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? References: <20010224124848.11782.00000882@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3a9902dd.452453@news.rsvl.unisys.com> <69E66A0AA8C6C9D0.36C059C1C05A529B.0F8767DF0AE4347C@lp.airnews.net> <3A9AC9AF.90D964CB@uiowa.edu.com> <20010304200119.28745.00000896@ng-cg1.aol.com> <3AA3B002.EC9F0AC5@uiowa.edu.com> <983bgc$8g0@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> <871ys6wxyt.fsf@prep.synonet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 984253103 27917 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76573 Paul Repacholi wrote: > > Eric Chomko writes: > > > : Remember the 1218??? Ran into one of them at JPL back around > > : '89 or so. This would have been (if I can remember the order of > > : events correctly) around the time Voyager-2 went around Uranus. > > > I thought V2 at Uranus was 1986 and V2 at Neptune was 89? > > Can anyone who watched it on TV remember which one had the count down > bug at T0? Smithsonian date zero bites again!! What happened - did it read "November 17 1858" at T0 or something? Ah, the wonders of using the sign bit to indicate delta times :-) Tim. ###### Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: p98mccabe@aol.com (Micheal H. McCabe) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: 18 Mar 2001 14:46:16 GMT References: <3A9AE7E2.294E34CD@cwnet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Message-ID: <20010318094616.02083.00000812@ng-cg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:76991 DaleDe@cwnet.com writes: << And if you go that far you need the 90 series. 90/30, 90/60, 90/70, 90/80. The 90/60 and 90/70 were renames for the 9600 and 9700 which were earlier models from the business unit family as was the 9400? and 9200. 90/30 dates to 1974, the 90/80 around 1980 or so. the others are ealier. >> These were part of the line acquired from RCA -- the RCA Spectra Series. Architecture and instruction set borrowed from the IBM 360. Not exactly 'compatible' since the operating systems were very different. -- p98mccabe@aol.com ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: 18 Mar 01 12:00:16 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 61 Message-ID: <2501.477T810T7204411@sky.bus.com> References: <3A9AE7E2.294E34CD@cwnet.com> <20010318094616.02083.00000812@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-527.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:77025 In article <20010318094616.02083.00000812@ng-cg1.aol.com> p98mccabe@aol.com (Micheal H. McCabe) writes: >DaleDe@cwnet.com writes: > ><< >And if you go that far you need the 90 series. > >90/30, 90/60, 90/70, 90/80. The 90/60 and 90/70 were renames for the >9600 and 9700 which were earlier models from the business unit family >as was the 9400? and 9200. > >90/30 dates to 1974, the 90/80 around 1980 or so. the others are >ealier. >> > >These were part of the line acquired from RCA -- the RCA Spectra >Series. Architecture and instruction set borrowed from the IBM 360. Not all of them. Indeed, I'd say that only the 90/60, 90/70, and 90/80 show an RCA heritage. The others (9200, 9300, 9400, and 90/30) were developed by Univac. >Not exactly 'compatible' since the operating systems were very >different. The former RCA machines ran VS/9 (formerly VMOS, which stood for Virtual Memory Operating System). The 9300 was Univac's answer to the IBM 360/20, and the 9200 was a de-rated 9300. The 9400's operating system was OS/4; the 9600 and 9700 originally had OS/7, but that was withdrawn and replaced with VS/9. The 90/30 (and its spinoffs 90/40 and 90/25; and its descendents, the System 80 family), ran (run?) OS/3. OS/4 and OS/3 JCL look sort of like DOS/360 or OS/360 JCL if you don't stare at it too long. ("The purpose of JCL is to give you something to debug once you've gotten your programs running." -- me) Non-privileged instructions on the 9x00 and Series 90 machines were bit-for-bit identical with the corresponding IBM 360 instructions. The 9300 was a bit odd, but so was the 360/20. The 9400 didn't have the entire 360 instruction set, while the 90/30 was a pretty close match to the 360/50. (I can't say much about the 90/60 or 90/70 because we didn't have any of them in Vancouver.) System 80 non-privileged instructions were identical with those of the IBM 370. Assembly language programs for IBM and Univac machines basically differed only in the OS calls; a cow orker was taking a course in IBM 360 assembly language, and I wrote a series of macros for the Univac assembler that enabled her to write and test her assignments on our 90/30. There was a rumour that the 90/30 assembler was stolen from DOS/360 (as in source code found in the trunk of a car). Another rumour states that IBM wanted it stolen. I wrote a replacement OS/3 assembler which was much nicer. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### Message-ID: <3AB5A186.65035551@cwnet.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:04:54 -0800 From: Dale DePriest X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? References: <3A9AE7E2.294E34CD@cwnet.com> <20010318094616.02083.00000812@ng-cg1.aol.com> <2501.477T810T7204411@sky.bus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.57.135 X-Trace: 18 Mar 2001 22:18:41 -0800, 209.142.57.135 Lines: 72 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.cwnet.com!news2.cwnet.com!209.142.57.135 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:77070 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <20010318094616.02083.00000812@ng-cg1.aol.com> > p98mccabe@aol.com (Micheal H. McCabe) writes: > > >DaleDe@cwnet.com writes: > > > ><< > >And if you go that far you need the 90 series. > > > >90/30, 90/60, 90/70, 90/80. The 90/60 and 90/70 were renames for the > >9600 and 9700 which were earlier models from the business unit family > >as was the 9400? and 9200. > > > >90/30 dates to 1974, the 90/80 around 1980 or so. the others are > >ealier. >> > > > >These were part of the line acquired from RCA -- the RCA Spectra > >Series. Architecture and instruction set borrowed from the IBM 360. > > Not all of them. Indeed, I'd say that only the 90/60, 90/70, and > 90/80 show an RCA heritage. The others (9200, 9300, 9400, and 90/30) > were developed by Univac. > > >Not exactly 'compatible' since the operating systems were very > >different. > > The former RCA machines ran VS/9 (formerly VMOS, which stood for > Virtual Memory Operating System). The 9300 was Univac's answer > to the IBM 360/20, and the 9200 was a de-rated 9300. The 9400's > operating system was OS/4; the 9600 and 9700 originally had OS/7, > but that was withdrawn and replaced with VS/9. The 90/30 (and > its spinoffs 90/40 and 90/25; and its descendents, the System 80 > family), ran (run?) OS/3. OS/4 and OS/3 JCL look sort of like > DOS/360 or OS/360 JCL if you don't stare at it too long. > > ("The purpose of JCL is to give you something to debug once you've > gotten your programs running." -- me) > > Non-privileged instructions on the 9x00 and Series 90 machines > were bit-for-bit identical with the corresponding IBM 360 instructions. > The 9300 was a bit odd, but so was the 360/20. The 9400 didn't have > the entire 360 instruction set, while the 90/30 was a pretty close > match to the 360/50. (I can't say much about the 90/60 or 90/70 > because we didn't have any of them in Vancouver.) System 80 > non-privileged instructions were identical with those of the > IBM 370. > > Assembly language programs for IBM and Univac machines basically > differed only in the OS calls; a cow orker was taking a course in > IBM 360 assembly language, and I wrote a series of macros for the > Univac assembler that enabled her to write and test her assignments > on our 90/30. > > There was a rumour that the 90/30 assembler was stolen from DOS/360 > (as in source code found in the trunk of a car). Another rumour > states that IBM wanted it stolen. I wrote a replacement OS/3 > assembler which was much nicer. > > -- > cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) > Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. Only the 90/80 came from the RCA purchase. All of the others came from the Business unit division in Blue Bell. IBM and Univac had (has?) a cross license agreement from the early days of computers that permits them to share information. The Univac machines (except for the 90/80) were 360 compatible except for two additonal priviledges instructions. Dale ###### From: jraben@cascinc.com (Jeff Raben) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: UNIVAC - Help ?? Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:05:17 GMT Reply-To: jraben@cascinc.com Message-ID: <3ab62bf3.1917683@news.bullseyetelecom.net> References: <3A9AE7E2.294E34CD@cwnet.com> <20010318094616.02083.00000812@ng-cg1.aol.com> <2501.477T810T7204411@sky.bus.com> <3AB5A186.65035551@cwnet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.29.38.58 X-Trace: 19 Mar 2001 11:06:25 -0500, 216.29.38.58 Organization: NetSet Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!news-feed.ssmdata.net!athena.netset.com!216.29.38.58 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:77058 the inherited Spectra series had two notable differences: 1) there were 4 sets of registers (program state, 1st level exception (for programmers), interrupt, and machine check handler) this allowed, supposedly, to change states without reloading registers. and reloading only when a new task or partition was selected. 2) the model 46 and 61 had a page register for every page of real memory. if a program fit in memory there were never any page faults. fast and expensive. (I believe fujitsu had a license as did siemens and both made speed and memory enhancements... a fujitsu rep had appologized for increasing the cost by some small percentage in an attempt to double the speed.) Once IBM and RCA ran benchmarks at Ford. The RCA system crashed (I knew the rep) the problem was diagnosed, repaired, the system was restarted and beat the IBM benchmark. Unfortunately, based on the benchmark, Ford picked RCA. The tapedrives vibrated so much they used to dance across the computer room. One of the drives caught fire. JR and stir with a Runcible spoon...