From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.fsnet.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Differences in terminology Date: 2 Jan 2001 23:22:12 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.cbhnet X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978480187 nnrp-09:15992 NO-IDENT teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2001 23:22:12 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.0 Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!teabag.cbhnet!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72076 An observation I've come to over the years of the three types of people involved with computing: 1. People who don't know about computers will happily refer to the main system enclosure of their PC as a CPU and call the square plasic data- storage medium a "disc" and think nothing of it. 2. People who think they know about computers castigate those in (1) for not knowing that the CPU is the small square thing with Pentium 4 written on it and are smug in the knowledge that the thing called a "disc" indeed has a disc of magnetically treated material in it. 3. People who actually know about computers wonder why (2) refer to something as the CPU which isn't the several-ton lump of metal that lurks in the basement and use disc-platters to serve pizzas. Just meandering, Chris. ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.fsnet.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: 2 Jan 2001 23:30:12 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <92toa4$6np$2@teabag.cbhnet> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.cbhnet X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978480188 nnrp-09:15992 NO-IDENT teabag.demon.co.uk:193.237.4.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2001 23:30:12 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.0 Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!194.109.6.150!transit.news.xs4all.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!teabag.cbhnet!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72074 More observations, although not terminology: 1. They're ambivalent about their monitor's graphics ability but think it's neat that SQL can dredge stuff from a database. 2. They brag about their Quake frame-rates and think they're cool because they can write HTML with animated graphics. 3. They're irate that the had to give up their cardpunches and view this newfangled teletype with deep suspicion; they think it's rubbish that virtual memory execute-only segments stop them writing self-modifying machine code. Chris. ###### From: Peter N. M. Hansteen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: 03 Jan 2001 10:26:56 +0100 Organization: Datadokumentasjon A/S Lines: 19 Sender: peter@tosh Message-ID: <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.54.103.99 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 978514377 8557399 194.54.103.99 (16 [67457]) Original-Sender: peter@bgnett.no X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!194.54.103.99!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72071 cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.fsnet.co.uk (Chris Hedley) writes: > 1. People who don't know about computers will happily refer to the main > system enclosure of their PC as a CPU and call the square plasic data- > storage medium a "disc" and think nothing of it. up here in .no, they are more likely to refer to it as the "hard disk". Most of them will vaguely grasp that the "diskette" (floppy disk) can be used for storage as well, but actually getting files on a floppy or any other medium will be beyond most. And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and disk space. -- SPECIAL OFFER! I proofread unsolicited commercial email sent to this address at a rate of US $500.00 per incident! Include billing address in your message and save US $500.00 per hour off ordinary address resolution and tracking charge! ###### Message-ID: <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> From: Simon Allaway Organization: University of Chicago X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.145.16 X-Trace: uchinews 978534891 128.135.145.16 (Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:14:51 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:14:51 CST Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:16:35 -0600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72077 "Peter N. M. Hansteen" wrote: > > And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and > disk space. I'm tired of my mother insisting on refering to her hard drive as 'memory'. *rolls eyes* -- Simon Allaway | "Computer games don't affect kids, if Pac Man University of Chicago | affected us as kids, we'd all be running Anthropology | around in darkened rooms, munching pills 5-4390 Haskell Hall | and listening to repetitive music." ###### Message-ID: <3A534927.1AD1F2A5@cwnet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 07:45:43 -0800 From: Dale DePriest X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.57.100 X-Trace: 3 Jan 2001 07:53:07 -0800, 209.142.57.100 Lines: 38 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!enews.sgi.com!newspeer.cwnet.com!news2.cwnet.com!209.142.57.100 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72131 Well in some ways she is right. A disk can be used as storage and it can be used as memory. On some computers from the 50's the main memory was a drum but it could have been a disk easily. Consider the Sun Unix demand paged virtual memory. The memory is on the disk and the ram is only used as a cache. Every memory location directly refers to a location in the virtual memory space which is then cached in ram for performance reasons. The latest releases take advantage of this with a suspend operation in which they simply purge the cache (ram) and then shut down the unit. You can power it back up, which restores the cache, and continue exactly where you left off. I shut my machine down at night but only reboot every week or two. Dale Simon Allaway wrote: > > "Peter N. M. Hansteen" wrote: > > > > And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and > > disk space. > > I'm tired of my mother insisting on refering to her hard drive as > 'memory'. > > *rolls eyes* > > -- > Simon Allaway | "Computer games don't affect kids, if Pac Man > University of Chicago | affected us as kids, we'd all be running > Anthropology | around in darkened rooms, munching pills > 5-4390 Haskell Hall | and listening to repetitive music." -- For GPS data see: Joe -- http://joe.mehaffey.com Peter -- http://www.vancouver-webpages.com/peter/ Karen -- http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/ Dale -- http://users.cwnet.com/dalede ###### Message-ID: <3A536764.34999105@uchicago.edu> From: Simon Allaway Organization: University of Chicago X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> <3A534927.1AD1F2A5@cwnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.145.16 X-Trace: uchinews 978544379 128.135.145.16 (Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:52:59 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:52:59 CST Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:54:44 -0600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72133 Dale DePriest wrote: > > Well in some ways she is right. A disk can be used as storage and it > can be used as memory. On some computers from the 50's the main memory > was a drum but it could have been a disk easily. Yes indeed, now that you explain it I can see that I didn't quite get it. However, when told she can't run Windows 2000 because she only has 32Mb of memory, she'll claim "that can't be right, I have 2 Gigabytes of memory". -- Simon Allaway | "Computer games don't affect kids, if Pac Man University of Chicago | affected us as kids, we'd all be running Anthropology | around in darkened rooms, munching pills 5-4390 Haskell Hall | and listening to repetitive music." ###### Message-ID: <3A5382D0.9557D485@ev1.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:51:44 -0800 From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> <3A534927.1AD1F2A5@cwnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: taydal-207-55-144-72.ev1.net X-Trace: newsa.ev1.net 978544533 taydal-207-55-144-72.ev1.net (3 Jan 2001 11:55:33 -0600) Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!newsa.ev1.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72148 Dale DePriest wrote: > > Well in some ways she is right. A disk can be used as storage and it > can be used as memory. On some computers from the 50's the main memory > was a drum but it could have been a disk easily. > Indeed, IIRC, the LGP-21 from CDC *did* use a disk as the main memory... This computer was a transistorized version of the Royal-McBee LGP-30, which was a tube computer that used a rotating drum as main memory. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: 04 Jan 01 19:05:44 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <889.404T2215T11455512@sky.bus.com> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <92toa4$6np$2@teabag.cbhnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-122.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72219 In article <92toa4$6np$2@teabag.cbhnet> cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.fsnet.co.uk (Chris Hedley) writes: >3. They're irate that the had to give up their cardpunches and view > this newfangled teletype with deep suspicion; Well, teletypes are OK I guess, but they're so darned slow compared to a line printer that they're little more than toys when you're looking for that inventory master listing or trying to print the month's accounts receivable statements. Dunno about those disks and tapes, though. If you can't see the holes, how do you know that the data is really there? (This last one is almost a direct quote from the big boss at the first place I worked. At the time I left they were still reading card decks onto disk, doing the run, and then punching out new cards for next time.) -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Sat, 06 Jan 01 10:45:46 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <937146$pqk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <9370f7$rfj$1@polo.demon.co.uk> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYgIJbY4HUXKSuKyug2aJuHtudMTDRxR0bHKEB3TysHXq8ro4bBgO95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2001 11:55:50 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-125 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72233 In article <9370f7$rfj$1@polo.demon.co.uk>, john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) wrote: >In article <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, >Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: >>John Varela wrote: >> >>> the house burning down, to be a back-up. And if the house burns down I'll >>> have bigger problems than losing my StarOffice configuration files. >> >>That's why I tend to make periodic off-site copies and leave them with >>all my friends and relations. Proper backup paranoia expects 50% of >>buildings to burn down, be nuked or be eaten by mutant star goats every >>day. > >Do you have any figures on how many buildings a mutant star goat is >likely to eat? My backups are in a building about 50 metres away but >if the goat ate both I'd be in trouble. I'd be more worried about those normal star goats. The mutant variey must be rare (or they wouldn't mutants). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Fri, 05 Jan 01 12:03:44 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <934ha3$sdn$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> <3A534927.1AD1F2A5@cwnet.com> <3A551C0A.325354CD@email.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbr7Aj34rxbcUv5/jf/GsB4FQdGOZwxWPPlsj9HX2ZSxXIYQnA1Ajml X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2001 13:13:39 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-26 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72260 In article <3A551C0A.325354CD@email.com>, goughtr@email.com wrote: >Dale DePriest wrote: >> >> Well in some ways she is right. A disk can be used as storage and it >> can be used as memory. On some computers from the 50's the main memory >> was a drum but it could have been a disk easily. >> > >In many ways it is right to call a disk 'memory'. It is, after all >secondary memory, and could, if one were perverse enough, use a disk as >primary memory. [emoticon lowers its voice, popping a button] A real man uses DECtape. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Fri, 05 Jan 01 12:05:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY1akBoYG7P5CvKDptFSn3x9A0/cM7M6v1Z47HdQwBtXN1tf6l3jEzh X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2001 13:15:27 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-26 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72268 In article <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net>, genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I >back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. Pray tell, what is the magic incantation that would cause me to buy one of those drives? I'm about to get another system and I want a backup mechanism that doesn't take all day. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Dav_and_Frances_Vandenbroucke@compuserve.com (Dav Vandenbroucke) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:11:10 GMT Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3a53b0c5.36308864@news.compuserve.com> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mid-tgn-moh-vty26.as.wcom.net X-Trace: sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com 978567169 8069 216.192.76.26 (4 Jan 2001 00:12:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2001 00:12:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72330 On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:16:35 -0600, Simon Allaway wrote: >I'm tired of my mother insisting on refering to her hard drive as >'memory'. Not to mention the ever-populare "What is the difference between Word and Windows?" Gates has a tighter integration than even he may realize. Dav Vandenbroucke dav_and_frances_vandenbroucke@compuserve.com ###### From: Warren Adams Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:04:55 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A53DA47.3AD727C7@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72163 "Peter N. M. Hansteen" wrote: > cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.fsnet.co.uk (Chris Hedley) writes: > > > 1. People who don't know about computers will happily refer to the main > > system enclosure of their PC as a CPU and call the square plasic data- > > storage medium a "disc" and think nothing of it. > > up here in .no, they are more likely to refer to it as the "hard > disk". Most of them will vaguely grasp that the "diskette" (floppy > disk) can be used for storage as well, but actually getting files on a > floppy or any other medium will be beyond most. > > And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and > disk space. > > Some years ago, I had a boss who really didn't get along too well with computers, but did coin a term that in a way makes sense. To him, a 5 1/4 inch floppy disk was a "floppy", while the 3 1/2 floppy disk was a "stiffie". ###### From: "Rickety" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:36:23 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 40 Message-ID: <931n7c$3sj$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A53DA47.3AD727C7@hiwaay.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hwh53-01-p74.gt.saix.net X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 978608172 3987 155.239.74.74 (4 Jan 2001 11:36:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2001 11:36:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72283 "Warren Adams" wrote in message news:3A53DA47.3AD727C7@hiwaay.net... > > > "Peter N. M. Hansteen" wrote: > > > cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.fsnet.co.uk (Chris Hedley) writes: > > > > > 1. People who don't know about computers will happily refer to the main > > > system enclosure of their PC as a CPU and call the square plasic data- > > > storage medium a "disc" and think nothing of it. > > > > up here in .no, they are more likely to refer to it as the "hard > > disk". Most of them will vaguely grasp that the "diskette" (floppy > > disk) can be used for storage as well, but actually getting files on a > > floppy or any other medium will be beyond most. > > > > And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and > > disk space. > > > > > > Some years ago, I had a boss who really didn't get along too well with > computers, but did coin a term that in a way makes sense. To him, a 5 1/4 inch > floppy disk was a "floppy", while the 3 1/2 floppy disk was a "stiffie". > > Well I hope he didn't patent the name as that is the name by which I have referred to 3.5 inch discs since I first saw them. It seemed to be in quite general use outside the USA. -- Rick Lugg ###### From: Alexandre Pechtchanski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Organization: Rockefeller University Hospital (GCRC), New York Message-ID: References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> <3A534927.1AD1F2A5@cwnet.com> <3A536764.34999105@uchicago.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:26:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.85.24.56 X-Trace: rockyd.rockefeller.edu 978640062 129.85.24.56 (Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:27:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:27:42 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd.rockefeller.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72387 On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:54:44 -0600, Simon Allaway wrote: [ snip ] >However, when told she can't run Windows 2000 because she only has 32Mb >of memory [...] Is it just me, or is there something wrong going on? When I started, we were developing and running CAD/CAM on 8kw PDP-8s and 1kw Olivetty P-602s. -- [ When replying, remove *'s from address ] Alexandre Pechtchanski, Systems Manager, RUH, NY ###### From: goughtr@email.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:57:46 +0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3A551C0A.325354CD@email.com> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A534253.4CFEFAD9@uchicago.edu> <3A534927.1AD1F2A5@cwnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.elmiron.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 978656214 20155 62.136.92.78 (5 Jan 2001 00:56:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:56:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, es Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!193.190.198.17!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72422 Dale DePriest wrote: > > Well in some ways she is right. A disk can be used as storage and it > can be used as memory. On some computers from the 50's the main memory > was a drum but it could have been a disk easily. > In many ways it is right to call a disk 'memory'. It is, after all secondary memory, and could, if one were perverse enough, use a disk as primary memory. -- http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club ###### From: goughtr@email.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:00:43 +0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3A551CBA.173D3E42@email.com> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.elmiron.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 978656391 20155 62.136.92.78 (5 Jan 2001 00:59:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:59:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, es Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72424 > > And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and > disk space. Grokking? Do you use UNIX by any chance? And if so, why RAM not core? -- http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club ###### From: genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:04:13 GMT Organization: Okanagan Internet Junction Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> Reply-To: genew@shuswap.net NNTP-Posting-Host: salmonarm3-44.shuswap.net X-Trace: news.junction.net 978656409 25718 139.142.177.174 (5 Jan 2001 01:00:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.junction.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:00:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.junction.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72293 javnews@earthlink.net (John Varela) wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:26:56, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > >> And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and >> disk space. > >My son, the one with the BA in English, thought he was backing up his data >when he copied files from the C: "drive" to the D: "drive". Which he was. Even on a system that has C: and D: on the same physical drive. It's just not as safe/useful as separate media. On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: Peter N. M. Hansteen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: 05 Jan 2001 09:27:58 +0100 Organization: Datadokumentasjon A/S Lines: 21 Sender: peter@tosh Message-ID: <871yuil7xt.fsf@bgnett.no> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3A551CBA.173D3E42@email.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.54.103.99 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 978683775 9108036 194.54.103.99 (16 [67457]) Original-Sender: peter@bgnett.no X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!194.54.103.99!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72202 goughtr@email.com writes: > > And don't get me started on grokking the difference between RAM and > > disk space. > > Grokking? Do you use UNIX by any chance? And if so, why RAM not core? There are two possible flamebaits here (the etymology of "grok" and the question "is linux a unix? (y/n)"), but I'll skip both. Let's just say that I'm of such tender years that I have not used any computer with actual core memory hands-on. The only core I see now and then are the droppings of less well-behaved programs. There are various contexts where the differences between random-access memory and the more persistent kind is crucial. The behaviour of various Microsoft environments and applications executing there is one. -- SPECIAL OFFER! I proofread unsolicited commercial email sent to this address at a rate of US $500.00 per incident! Include billing address in your message and save US $500.00 per hour off ordinary address resolution and tracking charge! ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:53:51 +0000 Message-ID: <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978772145 nnrp-09:12013 NO-IDENT tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72336 John Varela wrote: > the house burning down, to be a back-up. And if the house burns down I'll > have bigger problems than losing my StarOffice configuration files. That's why I tend to make periodic off-site copies and leave them with all my friends and relations. Proper backup paranoia expects 50% of buildings to burn down, be nuked or be eaten by mutant star goats every day. Back in the days of the good old top loading ten surface packs (RP03?) I saw someone make backups of all their data and put the backup packs next to the originals on a shelf. Overnight a pipe burst above the shelf. Nuff said. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: 6 Jan 2001 11:44:39 -0000 Organization: The Linux Emporium Message-ID: <9370f7$rfj$1@polo.demon.co.uk> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978781677 nnrp-12:20502 NO-IDENT unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!194.109.6.150!transit.news.xs4all.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk!polo.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72241 In article <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: >John Varela wrote: > >> the house burning down, to be a back-up. And if the house burns down I'll >> have bigger problems than losing my StarOffice configuration files. > >That's why I tend to make periodic off-site copies and leave them with >all my friends and relations. Proper backup paranoia expects 50% of >buildings to burn down, be nuked or be eaten by mutant star goats every >day. Do you have any figures on how many buildings a mutant star goat is likely to eat? My backups are in a building about 50 metres away but if the goat ate both I'd be in trouble. John -- John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England. The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ ###### Date: 6 Jan 2001 11:59:21 +0000 From: "Adam Atkinson" Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <9370f7$rfj$1@polo.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <624.406T1087T7193568ghira@mistral.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Organization: Collegio Pierpaoli, Montaguzzo X-No-Ahbou: yes Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.6a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.184.224.201 X-Trace: 6 Jan 2001 12:01:12 GMT, 195.184.224.201 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.netkonect.net!shiva.ukisp.net!195.184.224.201 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72323 On 06-Jan-01 11:44:39, John Winters said: >Do you have any figures on how many buildings a mutant star goat is >likely to eat? My backups are in a building about 50 metres away but >if the goat ate both I'd be in trouble. Consider that "fireworks factory" incident in Holland a few months ago. Or various floods in the UK. Or an oil refinery explosion. 50 metres isn't enough. BT sends its "off site" backups a very very long way for this sort of reason. -- Adam Atkinson (ghira@mistral.co.uk) A psychopath kills for no reason; I kill for money. (M. Blank) ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Sun, 07 Jan 01 12:54:00 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <939t0t$qt7$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <3a578fd5.1715947@news.shuswap.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb8DF+gi6cQV7o14IoP3peXWU81eD4SwRG61ApLq/zTiUgAk5/Fcp3a X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2001 14:04:13 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-124 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72441 In article <3a578fd5.1715947@news.shuswap.net>, genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >>In article <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net>, >> genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: >> >> >>> On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I >>>back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. >> >>Pray tell, what is the magic incantation that would cause me >>to buy one of those drives? I'm about to get another system >>and I want a backup mechanism that doesn't take all day. > > They are perfectly ordinary hard drives. > > The drive is put inside a case which plugs into a bay that takes >up an external 5.25" slot. (I have a full tower for my standalone, so >I can spare the slots.) > > My drives are IDE. According to the box, there are models for >SCSI drives, too. I'm told that the drives can not be hot swapped, >but that's fine with me. They cost about $60 Canadian. I got them >from a former employer. I don't know where he gets them from. Thanks. I've got 3 extra slots on this tower, one on my other but none on my laptop. > > I have also heard of hot-swappable systems for hard drives, but I >don't have details (except that they're much more expensive). Ahem...if I am backing up a system, I will not want hot swapping going on at the time. To me, a backup of the PC is going to definitely be a complete picture a one point in time :-). I don't have to do the tricks we had to do when the system was servicing hundreds of jobs. > > Yes, backing up to another hard drive is much faster. Something has to give. My current backup procedure takes 8+ hours mostly due, I think, to Colorado not being able to find their butt from a hole in keyboard. If I'm going to start doing serious computes, then I'm going to have a professional working OS and gear. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Sun, 07 Jan 01 12:46:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <939sii$qt7$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZS8DfWYRdx7edR0U0rC+6Jc1+wwE95xQzf14DQOSCehrkTYPLSovTF X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2001 13:56:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-124 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72442 In article , javnews@earthlink.net (John Varela) wrote: >On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:05:32, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> Pray tell, what is the magic incantation that would cause me >> to buy one of those drives? I'm about to get another system >> and I want a backup mechanism that doesn't take all day. > >After lots of frustration with a Travan drive, >I bought an IDE CDRW and wrote >a REXX script to ZIP all my directories and copy >them to the CDRW. My full >backup ZIPs to 400-some MB and takes less than an >hour to do, completely hands >off. YMMV. > Does that ZIP also include directory info? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: swaim@nol.net Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990413 ("Endemoniada") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.2-RELEASE (i386)) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2WJ56.205330$DG3.4798566@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:59:10 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-4vMbm7vAQ3p+hstJNm0nO+oTG4SO7K5OwsO4QEyeHCafSmsWTtsHcIxmySl7epnkmnrZFc5uZfUqBli!DIfIgIYVBW/bArjpuMQdgfM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:59:10 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72463 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > In article <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net>, > genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > >> On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I >>back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. > Pray tell, what is the magic incantation that would cause me > to buy one of those drives? I'm about to get another system > and I want a backup mechanism that doesn't take all day. Microcenter has shells to stick IDE drives into to make them removable. -- Mike Swaim, Avatar of Chaos: Disclaimer:I sometimes lie. Home: swaim at nol * net Quote: "Boingie"^4 Y,W&D ###### From: genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 04:25:48 GMT Organization: Okanagan Internet Junction Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3a578fd5.1715947@news.shuswap.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: genew@shuswap.net NNTP-Posting-Host: salmonarm3-17.shuswap.net X-Trace: news.junction.net 978841289 27417 139.142.177.147 (7 Jan 2001 04:21:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.junction.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 04:21:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.junction.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72453 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >In article <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net>, > genew@shuswap.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > > >> On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I >>back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. > >Pray tell, what is the magic incantation that would cause me >to buy one of those drives? I'm about to get another system >and I want a backup mechanism that doesn't take all day. They are perfectly ordinary hard drives. The drive is put inside a case which plugs into a bay that takes up an external 5.25" slot. (I have a full tower for my standalone, so I can spare the slots.) My drives are IDE. According to the box, there are models for SCSI drives, too. I'm told that the drives can not be hot swapped, but that's fine with me. They cost about $60 Canadian. I got them from a former employer. I don't know where he gets them from. I have also heard of hot-swappable systems for hard drives, but I don't have details (except that they're much more expensive). Yes, backing up to another hard drive is much faster. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: swaim@nol.net Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <2WJ56.205330$DG3.4798566@news2.giganews.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990413 ("Endemoniada") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.2-RELEASE (i386)) Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:04:36 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-EQbFXMVpmLJbN6dfE1nPIiStyS1ocgcUNwyXOy6ntfCdJDq9bUQnAcv4IEQejHx6h3lZA6IKeaoP9qu!d0jnSmlCUsiqPLkSl6RPoKk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:04:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72464 John Varela wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:59:10, swaim@nol.net wrote: >> Microcenter has shells to stick IDE drives into to make them removable. > > I was in the MicroCenter at Pan-Am Center in Fairfax County, VA a couple of > days ago and *they stock no IDE drives.* > The *only* drives they stock are Maxtor ATA-100 (is that the right > designator?) with $50 off if you buy the Maxtor controller, but they don't > stock the Maxtor controllers, only other brands. Won't that work with an IDE controller? I've started seeing firewire and USB external hard drives at various stores, so that may be the way people have started to go. -- Mike Swaim, Avatar of Chaos: Disclaimer:I sometimes lie. Home: swaim at nol * net Quote: "Boingie"^4 Y,W&D ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:46:53 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <938vqb$2tj$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <9370f7$rfj$1@polo.demon.co.uk> <937146$pqk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-173-196.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72470 In article <937146$pqk$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >In article <9370f7$rfj$1@polo.demon.co.uk>, > john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) wrote: >>In article <3A56DD1F.AE3ACBC1@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, >>Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob) wrote: >>>John Varela wrote: >>> >>>> the house burning down, to be a back-up. And if the house burns down >I'll >>>> have bigger problems than losing my StarOffice configuration files. >>> >>>That's why I tend to make periodic off-site copies and leave them with >>>all my friends and relations. Proper backup paranoia expects 50% of >>>buildings to burn down, be nuked or be eaten by mutant star goats every >>>day. >> >>Do you have any figures on how many buildings a mutant star goat is >>likely to eat? My backups are in a building about 50 metres away but >>if the goat ate both I'd be in trouble. > >I'd be more worried about those normal star goats. The mutant >variey must be rare (or they wouldn't mutants). > Nah, the normal ones are ok. It's only the mutation that gives 'em the taste for buildings. -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <2WJ56.205330$DG3.4798566@news2.giganews.com> Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Meow: Wouf X-Face: #!n`o'kqzEiF(\CL4IR$H.F-||!S*5wv~g8~prn}Z<+F/-^?oJ:#_V#QP?G}!!yayV0]i\' GTb6:]Tic*!vjH}wm>ILhZBn8U0XEjh'l~yrjB?4Iiph5N9:kwqd/}86UTr9i|LCu]Bd)~G1R9U(qJ KOyEQK8*? From: Integrated Meowbot Organization: They Date: 07 Jan 2001 01:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <87g0ivzwdk.fsf@litterbox.meowing.net> Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Capitol Reef) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.101.27.145 X-Trace: 7 Jan 2001 06:51:15 GMT, 32.101.27.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!znr.news.ans.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!32.101.27.145 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72471 swaim wrote: > John Varela wrote: >> The *only* drives they stock are Maxtor ATA-100 (is that the right >> designator?) Yup. ATA/66 is also common. > Won't that work with an IDE controller? ATA is just what ANSI calls IDE. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <2WJ56.205330$DG3.4798566@news2.giganews.com> <87g0ivzwdk.fsf@litterbox.meowing.net> Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Meow: Wouf X-Face: #!n`o'kqzEiF(\CL4IR$H.F-||!S*5wv~g8~prn}Z<+F/-^?oJ:#_V#QP?G}!!yayV0]i\' GTb6:]Tic*!vjH}wm>ILhZBn8U0XEjh'l~yrjB?4Iiph5N9:kwqd/}86UTr9i|LCu]Bd)~G1R9U(qJ KOyEQK8*? From: greg andruk Organization: They Date: 07 Jan 2001 15:42:02 -0500 Message-ID: <87lmsnyu05.fsf@ppp48-116.gis.net> Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Capitol Reef) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.202.195 X-Trace: 7 Jan 2001 20:40:10 GMT, 32.100.202.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!znr.news.ans.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!32.100.202.195 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72496 John Varela wrote: >> ATA is just what ANSI calls IDE. > I didn't know that. Neither did the salesman at Micro Center. Yeah, it's a chronic problem with the big-box electronic stores. The salescritters are rarely trained well enough, and in a few of the chains the policy seems to lean toward outright dishonesty. You can get some great deals in those stores, but you have to keep uo on the literature and know *exactly* what you want to buy, often down to model numbers, and may have to argue with the salescritter to be "allowed" to get what you want. No, people shouldn't have to put up with this BS, but I suppose it was inevitable once computer equipment became mass market consumer goods. > I wonder why Maxtor doesn't make that clear on the box? WD still > calls theirs EIDE. Enhanced IDE is WD's trademark. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Wed, 10 Jan 01 11:01:50 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <93hjjg$hbd$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <93ever$s36$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <3a5b8428$0$47284$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYsfvjGBmOnMkuZnqcueW8yuPpkM49YZU+DTElDVYfQIevqsc2ndBDZ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:12:32 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-158 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72737 In article <3a5b8428$0$47284$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net>, seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote: >In article <93ever$s36$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >> You might lose your bet. Everything having to do with >>electircity around here is turning into shit, including the >>phones! > >Take heart! At least you have professional experience shoveling it! ROTFLMAO. Touche'. > >-s >[this thread-merger brought to you by the letters "t", "r", and "n".] yea, yea, I'm working on it. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Wed, 10 Jan 01 11:05:42 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <93hjqn$hbd$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <93fv70$1gg8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb2uhmOZ6KwOM8f4G28yZWLxN7EpfgyQm4RwgMygbyTqvi8LpKtgbH3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:16:23 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-158 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72740 In article <93fv70$1gg8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, dochawk@psu.edu wrote: >In article <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net>, >Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > >> On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I >>back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. > >Gee, on my system, "C" and "D" are outputs of a function in my >class grade spreadsheet . . . :) Sigh! Now I read your user name not as "Hawk" but as "Do chawk". Is this one of the YKYBHTL(sp?) afflictions caused by memories of spotchecking students' BASIC programs? The chawk part has very nice blackboard connotations since I also look for spelling errors at the same time. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.22.0 From: Nick Spalding Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Reply-To: spalding@iol.ie Message-ID: References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <979005946.619644@elaine.furryape.com> <979043159.493524@elaine.furryape.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:06:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.203.144.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@iol.ie X-Trace: news.iol.ie 979070791 193.203.144.148 (Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:06:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:06:31 GMT Organization: Ireland On-Line Customer Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.iol.ie!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72716 Alan Barclay wrote, in <979043159.493524@elaine.furryape.com>: > In article , > Nick Spalding wrote: > >Alan Barclay wrote, in <979005946.619644@elaine.furryape.com>: > > > >> In article > >, > >> John Varela wrote: > >> >On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:22:33, Nick Spalding wrote: > >> > > >> >> Winzip has the facility to save and restore directory information. You > >> >> check 'Include subfolders' and 'Save full path info' when zipping and > >> >> 'Use folder names' when unzipping. It then creates the directory > >> >> structure as necessary in whatever directory you have specified to unzip > >> >> into. www.winzip.com > >> > > >> >PKZIP and ZIP do that. All you have to do is choose the correct > >option. The > >> >diffence is that with them you have to use a command line. I bet BAH can > >> >handle it. > >> > >> There is a windows GUI version of PKZIP too. > > > >What do you think Winzip, mentioned above, is? > > Winzip is a product made by Winzip Computing, Inc. PKZIP are products made by > PKWARE, Inc. PKWARE make a command line version for various OS's, including > Unixes, OS/2, VMS, & DOS and they also make a GUI version (v4.0) for Windows. > As there are two different companies, making two different products, then > obviously this means that Winzip and PKZIP for Windows are two different > things. Aha! I didn't know that PKWARE made such a thing too. -- Nick Spalding ###### From: dochawk@psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: 9 Jan 2001 21:18:24 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Lines: 13 Message-ID: <93fv70$1gg8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fac13.ds.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72726 In article <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net>, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > On my system, C: and D: are different drives and about weekly, I >back up from C: to D:. Mind you, my hard drives are removeable. Gee, on my system, "C" and "D" are outputs of a function in my class grade spreadsheet . . . :) hawk ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology References: <93ever$s36$2@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: Plethora . Net - More Net, Less Spam! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Originator: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Date: 09 Jan 2001 21:35:36 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3a5b8428$0$47284$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cfb5053f.news.plethora.net X-Trace: 979076136 gemini.plethora.net 47284 seebs@205.166.146.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plethora.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gemini-int.visi.com.MISMATCH!gemini.plethora.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72699 In article <93ever$s36$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > You might lose your bet. Everything having to do with >electircity around here is turning into shit, including the >phones! Take heart! At least you have professional experience shoveling it! -s [this thread-merger brought to you by the letters "t", "r", and "n".] -- Copyright 2001, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / seebs@plethora.net C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon! Consulting & Computers: http://www.plethora.net/ ###### From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:54:59 -0700 Organization: Systematic Software Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <939sii$qt7$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <93ceg2$69j$7@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: Brian.dot.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-148-130-219.dial.cadvision.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.cadvision.com 979106100 23233 207.148.130.219 (10 Jan 2001 05:55:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cadvision.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 05:55:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.cadvision.com!207.228.64.17.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72705 On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:22:33 GMT, Nick Spalding wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote, in <93ceg2$69j$7@bob.news.rcn.net>: > >> My experience in backup software was the TOPS10 BACKUP program. >> It saved enough data so that it was possible to recreate the >> whole disk from the file structure POV so that the user >> wouldn't have been able to tell from a casual look that something >> had happened to the disk. No hand tweaking was necessary to >> get that snapshot of the disk functional. (This was very useful >> when a physical disk was beginning to crap out and replaced >> with a new physical disk. The "owner" of the disk wouldn't >> have been able to tell that the physical disk had changed. >> >> It sounds like I can't recreate a file structure as painlessly >> using your ZIP procedure. > >Winzip has the facility to save and restore directory information. You >check 'Include subfolders' and 'Save full path info' when zipping and >'Use folder names' when unzipping. It then creates the directory >structure as necessary in whatever directory you have specified to unzip >into. www.winzip.com InfoZip does all that -- literally -- WinZip uses the InfoZip code -- and it's totally free -- it's own Windows version is WIZ -- orignally from SimTel, it's main site is now http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip and it's available on SUNsite and UUNET. From the docs: Info-ZIP's purpose is to provide free, portable high-quality versions of the Zip and UnZip compressor-archiver that are compatible with the DOS-based PKZIP by PKWARE, Inc. Info-ZIP supports hardware from microcomputers all the way up to Cray supercomputers, running on almost all versions of Unix, VMS, OS/2, MS-DOS, Windows NT/95, AmigaDOS, Atari TOS, MacOS, BeOS, Acorn RICS OS, SMS/QDOS, VM/CMS, MVS and Human68K (Japanese.) There is also some support for TOPS-20, AOS/VS and Novell NLMs as well as a full graphical interface for Windows. Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian_Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) use address above to reply ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Differences in terminology Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:52:54 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 36 Message-ID: <93nqnd$p09$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <92tnr4$6np$1@teabag.cbhnet> <873df13s0v.fsf@bgnett.no> <3a54266b.26152989@news.shuswap.net> <934hdf$sdn$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <2WJ56.205330$DG3.4798566@news2.giganews.com> <87g0ivzwdk.fsf@litterbox.meowing.net> <87lmsnyu05.fsf@ppp48-116.gis.net> <93esuv$3ss$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-124-110.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.190.198.17.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:73063 In article <93esuv$3ss$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>, "Paul Grayson" wrote: >> John Varela wrote: >> You can get some great deals in those stores, but you have to keep uo >> on the literature and know *exactly* what you want to buy, often down >> to model numbers, and may have to argue with the salescritter to be >> "allowed" to get what you want. >> > >In the UK there is a lack of specialist PC parts dealers you can walk into. >I work in a major city and there is now only one place I can think of that >does sell individual parts and cables. Luckily they do know what they are >doing, mainly due to them also being a major component supplier. Everyone >else has either closed down or is just selling boxed games hardware. > > There's a major mail order parts supplier in London (name if you email me!) which used to be very useful for that odd cable/card/motherboard whatever and used to keep reasonably knowledgeable staff on hand. This has now degraded to the state where you walk into the office, use an internal phone to call the sales line, and have it delivered to the desk. The being on the other end of the phone line is capable of consulting the stock computer. Very bl***y useful. Oh, and their web site can only be searched by part/manufacturer rather than part/show all makes. Equally useful. Hmph. -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk